Not sure if your rudder was working but from the tests I’ve seen done on RUclips the Compass out turns the Outback. The compass works well as a fishing kayak when set up with all the extras and have seen them used offshore on quite a few fishing youtube channels. I think the Compass is a great option if you need a lighter yak and you just customise it to suit. A lot of these “fishing kayaks” that people talk about are starting to get into weights that make it a chore to deal with when car topping as well if you had to wheel them loaded up over sand. Plus with that extra weight you may need an expensive loader or a proper trailer for a lot of them to be manageable. Not everyone has a truck bet to throw it in.
This guys videos are something else. His reviews are kinda meh. “Turning is okay, not the best in the world” “not as stable as the outback” always something negative, where many other people even say the compass is more stable turns on a dime. 0 issues. Guys reviews are kinda whacky I’ve owned outback pa14 and compass and I prefer the compass due to size, weight, price, and other factors. Nearly same speed as kayaks nearly x2 its price point, built like a pa for increased stability etc. I wouldn’t trust this guys reviews
If you put it in the truck bed rudder end first it will never touch the ground. Also why would you wheel it all the way to the bottom of ramp then drag it across the cement ramp? Mine turns way better than my old Outback even before I put the boonedox rudder on it.
This rudder point was for folks who don’t have a cart. If you install the cart before unloading (like you should) then it’s not an issue at all. I’ve drug more kayaks across boat ramps then you’ll ever imagine without a single issue.
Put the wheels in before letting the kayak touch the ground to keep the rudder from getting bent. No tipping necessary. I also recommend the aluminum rudder upgrade because the plastic will still bend over time.
More info as I watch…Put the front of the kayak in the water, then pick up the rear and the wheels will fall out. This will avoid more tipping. Shame you can’t attach the wheels to the back like on the Outback.
The only time I tip the kayak is when putting the wheels back on after fishing. While it is easy to tip and remove, I like lifting because you can do it with the kayak in the water, eliminating the need to drag it on concrete afterwards. I do lift it for beach launching but a few feet from the waves and then drag. No trips back to the car to secure your wheels with the outback’s bungee feature
man, it is good to see these videos again...enjoy hearing your thoughts on kayaks, etc. i like the idea of removing the round hatch cover near the seat and converting it to the rectangular hatch, i.e., cutting out a rectangular space to install an after-market rectangular center hatch cover (like the outback), and then cutting out a round hole in the bow to install the round hatch cover to increase storage space for a small battery up front.
Absolutely loved the typed out message about crates *after talking about not having the H Crate*. All those times you have spoke about not being a fan of crates "That's where stuff goes to die". Dude I was all ready to give you a hard time and ya had a disclaimer message to kill my joy. 🤣😂
I have installed the center and front hatches and rigged mine lightly and it works for me. My biggest issues are the rudder and seat height which I will be addressing with a rudder replacement and possible risers. The durability and weight was my main reason for picking the compass, I also had issues locally sourcing a Lynx in stock. I think with the planned mods it will be great for me as I have done quiet a bit of bass fishing from it and it has performed well. Not too happy with the pricing increase wasn’t ideal but is understandable with inflation. It is definitely a throw and go kayak and with the right mods can be serviceable for sure.
It’s a tool and it gets treated like a tool. The point of the video was to point out an issue for folks who don’t have/use wheels so they would be mindful of the rudder while unloading. Clearly it got the point across.
I owned a compass for fishing and a passport 12.0 for the wife. After a camping trip where I used the Passport 12 and a friend used the compass, sold him the compass and decked out the passport. The cockpit on the compass is small, too small. The Passport was as stable if not more than thee compass. I was able to put the xl deployable rudder on tha passport, add the same rectangular hatch as the outback, h crate, fish finder, battery, map pockets, and others for less than the cost of a plain compass. The Passport seat sucks. A 4" seat cushion fpr 25 bucls solved that mostly. As to the durability, I have beaten the hell out of my passport. It gets run over oysters, drug around on ramps, even dropped a time or 3. No issues.
@@NavarreKayakFishing it was made worse by me adding the horizontal rectangular hatch, like the PA, to the compass. I was standing on the edges of the hatch. After a while of that its really uncomfortable. The back of the compass is massive. The proportions are all wrong. I also seldom find myself wanting to have reverse back, and I fish a lot in marshes, tight bayous, and back lakes.
@@Adam-wv1ho yes. I don't regret it looking back. Depending on where you fish, and what your budget is, old towns are great and inexpensive. The lynx is a good, light choice too.
Watching that on VERY calm water, and thinking back on your first Lynx video, I would think the Lynx is more stable. I'll have to go back and look for that video now! As an instant-reverse fan, the memory of that black fin tuna swimming at you on the Lynx, and you repeating, "I need reverse," still makes me pause. Lots of positives to those drives, but having to "get all stars aligned" to change to reverse is idiotic in today's world. Thanks for taking the time to do these videos! Like all of your content, it's helpful.
James, the Compass is not nearly as stable as the Lynx. I hate not having instant reverse but I do enjoy spending time in a variety of kayaks but I agree it doesn’t make much sense to me.
@@NavarreKayakFishing IF wheels really can't be used...any thinking person would take it off nose first, or, at least, use a hint of creativity to invent something that protects the rudder. People who are not clever enough to know that balancing on the rudder is not an option should not be on the water!
Would you be interested in creating a seat riser or seat relocation mount for the rear mounts? The new seat on the compass doesn't allow you to open the vertical rectangle hatch if installed, i measured twice cut once, and then found this out the hard way. Then was told by hobie oh yea that doesn't work anymore on this kayak, put in a claim but i doubt they will agree since it was my fault for installing hatch.
Could show you some pictures of what the issue is, seat needs to move up in front about 1inch or 1.5inch, or the seat could move back just a pinch and clear the hatch.
Not sure if your rudder was working but from the tests I’ve seen done on RUclips the Compass out turns the Outback.
The compass works well as a fishing kayak when set up with all the extras and have seen them used offshore on quite a few fishing youtube channels.
I think the Compass is a great option if you need a lighter yak and you just customise it to suit.
A lot of these “fishing kayaks” that people talk about are starting to get into weights that make it a chore to deal with when car topping as well if you had to wheel them loaded up over sand. Plus with that extra weight you may need an expensive loader or a proper trailer for a lot of them to be manageable. Not everyone has a truck bet to throw it in.
This guys videos are something else. His reviews are kinda meh. “Turning is okay, not the best in the world” “not as stable as the outback” always something negative, where many other people even say the compass is more stable turns on a dime. 0 issues. Guys reviews are kinda whacky I’ve owned outback pa14 and compass and I prefer the compass due to size, weight, price, and other factors. Nearly same speed as kayaks nearly x2 its price point, built like a pa for increased stability etc. I wouldn’t trust this guys reviews
If you put it in the truck bed rudder end first it will never touch the ground. Also why would you wheel it all the way to the bottom of ramp then drag it across the cement ramp? Mine turns way better than my old Outback even before I put the boonedox rudder on it.
This rudder point was for folks who don’t have a cart. If you install the cart before unloading (like you should) then it’s not an issue at all.
I’ve drug more kayaks across boat ramps then you’ll ever imagine without a single issue.
Put the wheels in before letting the kayak touch the ground to keep the rudder from getting bent. No tipping necessary. I also recommend the aluminum rudder upgrade because the plastic will still bend over time.
I know that lol. I owned a Hobie before half of the world started kayaking. Not everyone has the wheels
You need the compass loader to protect the rudder and it makes the yak easier to handle also. My 2020 Compass is doing great, no issues. 😎
I don’t need a Compass loader - my wheels go on the kayak before I start unloading.
Good to hear from you again. What flotation device is that you put on around your waist?
It’s this one and it looks like it’s on sale - amzn.to/3w3D3SG
Thx. Do you recommend it? Does it get in your way when bending over to net a fish or grab something?
I often forget it’s even on. That’s why I started using it. It’s also not hot life a traditional pfd.
More info as I watch…Put the front of the kayak in the water, then pick up the rear and the wheels will fall out. This will avoid more tipping. Shame you can’t attach the wheels to the back like on the Outback.
Tipping is an extremely easy way to load the kayak on the wheels. This kayak isn’t rigged for anything if it was nothing would fall off of it.
The only time I tip the kayak is when putting the wheels back on after fishing. While it is easy to tip and remove, I like lifting because you can do it with the kayak in the water, eliminating the need to drag it on concrete afterwards. I do lift it for beach launching but a few feet from the waves and then drag. No trips back to the car to secure your wheels with the outback’s bungee feature
man, it is good to see these videos again...enjoy hearing your thoughts on kayaks, etc. i like the idea of removing the round hatch cover near the seat and converting it to the rectangular hatch, i.e., cutting out a rectangular space to install an after-market rectangular center hatch cover (like the outback), and then cutting out a round hole in the bow to install the round hatch cover to increase storage space for a small battery up front.
Thanks for watching, Edward.
I agree with you this
Absolutely loved the typed out message about crates *after talking about not having the H Crate*. All those times you have spoke about not being a fan of crates "That's where stuff goes to die". Dude I was all ready to give you a hard time and ya had a disclaimer message to kill my joy. 🤣😂
Ha! I read your mind while editing the video. Even when I said it recording I hurt myself lol.
You can use you wheels a lot smarter then you did
I’m aware of that and it was captioned in the video. Not everyone has the wheels.
I have installed the center and front hatches and rigged mine lightly and it works for me. My biggest issues are the rudder and seat height which I will be addressing with a rudder replacement and possible risers. The durability and weight was my main reason for picking the compass, I also had issues locally sourcing a Lynx in stock. I think with the planned mods it will be great for me as I have done quiet a bit of bass fishing from it and it has performed well. Not too happy with the pricing increase wasn’t ideal but is understandable with inflation. It is definitely a throw and go kayak and with the right mods can be serviceable for sure.
You didn't bend the rudder. I put mine on top of its self alot unloading and it's very durable never have issues. Good video man!
Thanks for watching. It does appear to snap back straight without any issues.
Treat it with a bit of respect and you wouldn't have to sit it on the rudder would ya, not rocket science
It’s a tool and it gets treated like a tool. The point of the video was to point out an issue for folks who don’t have/use wheels so they would be mindful of the rudder while unloading. Clearly it got the point across.
I owned a compass for fishing and a passport 12.0 for the wife. After a camping trip where I used the Passport 12 and a friend used the compass, sold him the compass and decked out the passport.
The cockpit on the compass is small, too small. The Passport was as stable if not more than thee compass. I was able to put the xl deployable rudder on tha passport, add the same rectangular hatch as the outback, h crate, fish finder, battery, map pockets, and others for less than the cost of a plain compass. The Passport seat sucks. A 4" seat cushion fpr 25 bucls solved that mostly.
As to the durability, I have beaten the hell out of my passport. It gets run over oysters, drug around on ramps, even dropped a time or 3. No issues.
I like the direction you went. The cockpit on the Compass is extremely small.
@@NavarreKayakFishing it was made worse by me adding the horizontal rectangular hatch, like the PA, to the compass. I was standing on the edges of the hatch. After a while of that its really uncomfortable. The back of the compass is massive. The proportions are all wrong.
I also seldom find myself wanting to have reverse back, and I fish a lot in marshes, tight bayous, and back lakes.
I know this is old but is the passport cockpit that much bigger than the compass?
@@Adam-wv1ho yes. I don't regret it looking back.
Depending on where you fish, and what your budget is, old towns are great and inexpensive. The lynx is a good, light choice too.
Thoughts on taking it offshore?
It would do the job but I think there are better options.
Watching that on VERY calm water, and thinking back on your first Lynx video, I would think the Lynx is more stable. I'll have to go back and look for that video now! As an instant-reverse fan, the memory of that black fin tuna swimming at you on the Lynx, and you repeating, "I need reverse," still makes me pause. Lots of positives to those drives, but having to "get all stars aligned" to change to reverse is idiotic in today's world. Thanks for taking the time to do these videos! Like all of your content, it's helpful.
James, the Compass is not nearly as stable as the Lynx. I hate not having instant reverse but I do enjoy spending time in a variety of kayaks but I agree it doesn’t make much sense to me.
Ah cool. Still debating between this Compass and the Lynx. Lynx is lighter, Compass is more durable. We have no sand here. All oyster and Mangroves.
That makes for a tough choice. I prefer the Lynx but under those circumstances the Compass might win.
Parabéns tenho um passport 12'0 esses caiaque da hobie são umas máquinas
Thoughts compared to the Lynx besides $400
I can make a video comparing the two after I use the Compass a bit more.
@@NavarreKayakFishing perfect. Looking forward to that video
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Looks cheap and small. I love my old town salty and we ordered the accessories for it from you. Fabulous service 🇨🇦
I put the cart on before I take it out of the truck. I never hit the rudder
Typically I do it the same way. However, it's not always possible when car topping and some folks do not own the wheels.
@@NavarreKayakFishing IF wheels really can't be used...any thinking person would take it off nose first, or, at least, use a hint of creativity to invent something that protects the rudder. People who are not clever enough to know that balancing on the rudder is not an option should not be on the water!
You would be surprised. Also loading it rear first isn’t the best idea/solution.
Would you be interested in creating a seat riser or seat relocation mount for the rear mounts? The new seat on the compass doesn't allow you to open the vertical rectangle hatch if installed, i measured twice cut once, and then found this out the hard way. Then was told by hobie oh yea that doesn't work anymore on this kayak, put in a claim but i doubt they will agree since it was my fault for installing hatch.
Could show you some pictures of what the issue is, seat needs to move up in front about 1inch or 1.5inch, or the seat could move back just a pinch and clear the hatch.
Just saw your other video about making seat risers, thanks ill be ready to purchase one