There is a noticeable difference. The 416 has a more obvious presence which is why the 8060, despite sounding very good, won't catch on for voice over in the same way the 416 has. Just as you said, the wider pickup pattern means that it picks up more of the room and you voice sounds slightly more distance. It'd be nice to hear these compared in a more treated space as these differences will become more obvious, even more so after compression.
Wow people can actually tell a difference? They're both practically the same mic with different pickup patterns. Both amazing and would complement each other for different uses
The most optimal stand for doing talking head stuff with a shotgun microphone would be with the microphone on a boom pole, then the boom pole attached to a C stand with a boom pole cradle attached to the grip head of the arm of the C stand. This has the advantage of being able to float over the subjects head very easily and out of frame. You can also weight the C stand down with a sand bag to ensure it won't be going anywhere. That set up would be good for you since you do a lot of talking head stuff in front of the camera with minimal movement.
@@EposVox I guess it's true that the set up I described is most prized for it's rugged portability and consistency when doing field work. That's why C stands are considered a must have in field and studio work because they can be collapsed easily and they can take a beating. So really a C stand may take up some room, but it could easily be collapsed and fit into the space of a smaller gap space in your apartment when not in use. If you have an in studio solution that works for you then that's that. No problem. I just heard you complain in the video about your mic stand, and I thought to myself very little people ever complain about the consistency the aforementioned set up provides. 😊 It's a standard set up for a lot of people that do talking head videos, but there's nothing wrong with exploring other options.
yeah well in my small apartment between my massive main light stand and my existing c-stand (and camera tripod and mic stand) I'm already tripping over stuff too much. And this might have been shot before I bought a new stand. Either way the main problem was balancing the adapter to put both mics on at once, it kept unscrewing haha
@@EposVox Oh that's not such a big problem after all. Lol Especially since on a day to day basis you probably won't be rigging two mics to do a comparison very often. Anyways, I've seen your apartment in several videos. I can believe you would be tripping over stuff! I think all the stuff you have is cool though. 😊 You just have a lot of it.
Yeah a C Stand gives you so much flexibility in how you can place the mic for locked off shoots. My C Stand is probably one of my best ever investments I made.
I typically don’t recommend shotgun microphones inside small interiors. They tend to pick up the slap back in rooms because of their distance sensitivity and they are absolutely awful if you have a controller that has stick clacks. I find lavs a better choice for those who need to move around on stream like VR or wii games. Otherwise stick to the studio mics with popper stoppers.
If you're doing stand-up VO in a sound treated environment, a shotgun/dialog mic will sound exponentially better every single time. I love my Sennheiser lav kit (cost as much as these mics!) but my 416 blows it away in every aspect. Obviously I'd never recommend it for at-desk stuff, but for stand-up set production, unless you have a super reverb-y room, definitely.
yes agree, for indoor a MKH 8050 would be a better choice, or a cardoid such as Sennheiser MKH 8040, if you have not prepared the space with lots of damping ;) see ruclips.net/video/RYWD5wI6B9k/видео.html
One thing I hate about the 8060, is that friggin' clip that takes the skin off. I feel like that would be better suited for the more robust 416. It's like the two need to swap clips.
Glad you're giving some love to the 8060! (there was also the MKH60 between the 416 and 8060, which is one I own myself. Although I usually prefer my Sanken CS3e) Is kinda strange how people keep on buying the 416 brand new, when there are so many newer better ones out on the market now in 2019. A bit like how people keep on repeating recommending the Sennheiser G3.... sigh
EposVox indeed mics don’t age as fast as say camera bodies do, which go out of fashion so fast! A better analogy would be to say mics are like lenses! Which also stay relevant and interesting for a very very long time. So a lens of similar vintage to a 416 would be a Nikon 50mm f/2 Pre-AI lenses. Which is a pretty cool lens, I own one myself! But should anyone pay full price brand new retail for such a lens? Oh hell no, that would be bonkers! I only picked up the lens because it is also such a bargain on eBay (or KEH in my case). If you’re not picking it up secondhand for a song, then I reckon you should be considering a different lens to get better bang for your buck. I feel similarly about the 416
@@EposVox Please make it a goal to voice over a commercial for the Super Bowl next year. I would fall over if your beautiful voice came on during a Budweiser commercial hahahaha
Tom Ryan Your are true. I have just found this channel on You tube looking for a good mic (don’t know why so many youtubers use Shure SM7B that sounds so poor). But the first thing I noticed was your voice. You should be acting or singing (or both). Any way it’s a real pleasure to listen to you.
The only difference I can really tell is in the off-axis tone. The 8060 sounds quite a bit muffled compared to the 416, which seems to sound farther away (reverb pickup maybe?)
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There is a noticeable difference. The 416 has a more obvious presence which is why the 8060, despite sounding very good, won't catch on for voice over in the same way the 416 has. Just as you said, the wider pickup pattern means that it picks up more of the room and you voice sounds slightly more distance. It'd be nice to hear these compared in a more treated space as these differences will become more obvious, even more so after compression.
Wow people can actually tell a difference? They're both practically the same mic with different pickup patterns. Both amazing and would complement each other for different uses
those mics are beautiful, definitely on the big dream list of gear.
Thank you again Pablo for giving those hookups. Well done Epos.
2:13 I'm sure your boy Pablo will love seeing you drop his 1200$ mic on the ground lol
That's why I love my 416, and now another brother will come to join the show. 8060 is superb.!
The most optimal stand for doing talking head stuff with a shotgun microphone would be with the microphone on a boom pole, then the boom pole attached to a C stand with a boom pole cradle attached to the grip head of the arm of the C stand. This has the advantage of being able to float over the subjects head very easily and out of frame. You can also weight the C stand down with a sand bag to ensure it won't be going anywhere. That set up would be good for you since you do a lot of talking head stuff in front of the camera with minimal movement.
My normal mic stand already does this without taking up the floor space that a normal C-Stand would lol
@@EposVox I guess it's true that the set up I described is most prized for it's rugged portability and consistency when doing field work. That's why C stands are considered a must have in field and studio work because they can be collapsed easily and they can take a beating. So really a C stand may take up some room, but it could easily be collapsed and fit into the space of a smaller gap space in your apartment when not in use. If you have an in studio solution that works for you then that's that. No problem. I just heard you complain in the video about your mic stand, and I thought to myself very little people ever complain about the consistency the aforementioned set up provides. 😊 It's a standard set up for a lot of people that do talking head videos, but there's nothing wrong with exploring other options.
yeah well in my small apartment between my massive main light stand and my existing c-stand (and camera tripod and mic stand) I'm already tripping over stuff too much.
And this might have been shot before I bought a new stand. Either way the main problem was balancing the adapter to put both mics on at once, it kept unscrewing haha
@@EposVox Oh that's not such a big problem after all. Lol Especially since on a day to day basis you probably won't be rigging two mics to do a comparison very often. Anyways, I've seen your apartment in several videos. I can believe you would be tripping over stuff! I think all the stuff you have is cool though. 😊 You just have a lot of it.
Yeah a C Stand gives you so much flexibility in how you can place the mic for locked off shoots. My C Stand is probably one of my best ever investments I made.
Thanks for the review. Love my 416 for voice over recording. I am not sure I hear enough difference to change to the 8060.
Solid and slick video mate. Thanks so much for this amazing content done flawlessly. I like the 416 more so and gonna buy it! Subscribed!
Thank you :)
If you need a better mic stand look at Latch Lake or Triad-Orbit. Thanks for the comparison!
The Triad Orbit quick release stuff looks awesome
How can I mount the 8060 on my GH5 hot shoe? It comes with a mic clip in the box, is it possible to add a hot shoe adapter to 8060's mic clip?
Please don’t do that lol
Love it! Good looking
I typically don’t recommend shotgun microphones inside small interiors. They tend to pick up the slap back in rooms because of their distance sensitivity and they are absolutely awful if you have a controller that has stick clacks. I find lavs a better choice for those who need to move around on stream like VR or wii games. Otherwise stick to the studio mics with popper stoppers.
If you're doing stand-up VO in a sound treated environment, a shotgun/dialog mic will sound exponentially better every single time. I love my Sennheiser lav kit (cost as much as these mics!) but my 416 blows it away in every aspect.
Obviously I'd never recommend it for at-desk stuff, but for stand-up set production, unless you have a super reverb-y room, definitely.
yes agree, for indoor a MKH 8050 would be a better choice, or a cardoid such as Sennheiser MKH 8040, if you have not prepared the space with lots of damping ;) see ruclips.net/video/RYWD5wI6B9k/видео.html
i go to u for mics, z reviews for headphones, rocketjumpninja for mice, and taekeyboards for keyboards.
The MKH8060 is definitely more lifelike
sounds identical
I wonder if people ask you to do some voice overs for them? Well because your voice sounds real professional.
It does happen!
Yeah, not enough nasally voice overs out there.
Latch Lake mic stands. expensive, but worth EVERY penny.
One thing I hate about the 8060, is that friggin' clip that takes the skin off. I feel like that would be better suited for the more robust 416. It's like the two need to swap clips.
Glad you're giving some love to the 8060! (there was also the MKH60 between the 416 and 8060, which is one I own myself. Although I usually prefer my Sanken CS3e)
Is kinda strange how people keep on buying the 416 brand new, when there are so many newer better ones out on the market now in 2019. A bit like how people keep on repeating recommending the Sennheiser G3.... sigh
To be fair, mics don't really age poorly. RE20 has been the standard for decades, haha. Analog lasts way longer.
EposVox indeed mics don’t age as fast as say camera bodies do, which go out of fashion so fast!
A better analogy would be to say mics are like lenses! Which also stay relevant and interesting for a very very long time.
So a lens of similar vintage to a 416 would be a Nikon 50mm f/2 Pre-AI lenses. Which is a pretty cool lens, I own one myself!
But should anyone pay full price brand new retail for such a lens? Oh hell no, that would be bonkers! I only picked up the lens because it is also such a bargain on eBay (or KEH in my case).
If you’re not picking it up secondhand for a song, then I reckon you should be considering a different lens to get better bang for your buck.
I feel similarly about the 416
Thanks for your input. What mic would you recommend over the MKH 416 in 2021???
well done
8060 is wayyy better! Better tones for sure! Just bought one for $769
all the sound gurus say the 8060 is just the more updated version of the 416
Yep, that's what I said here
6:00 fwom :D
Perhaps it is the big brother since it costs more.
Not much more, only an extra $250, which is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things if you're doing this professionally
8060 is $300 more than 416.
If you don't do voice over work you're doing a disservice to the world aha
Still trying to find the right balance haha
@@EposVox Please make it a goal to voice over a commercial for the Super Bowl next year. I would fall over if your beautiful voice came on during a Budweiser commercial hahahaha
@@WhatAboutTom HA that is a bit of an absurd goal as someone with no true professional VO career :P
@@EposVox But ur voice is so crisp!!
Tom Ryan Your are true.
I have just found this channel on You tube looking for a good mic (don’t know why so many youtubers use Shure SM7B that sounds so poor). But the first thing I noticed was your voice. You should be acting or singing (or both). Any way it’s a real pleasure to listen to you.
Ask Pablo to loan a Titan RTX to you and forget to give it back. Premiere problems solved ;)
xDD
the 8060 is more natural sounding
I hope the mic is okay😅
I hear a little more room tone with the 8060 when you were reading.
your sound card
...?
Good video loved the reading of lord of the rings
Modmic sounds like ass compared to the real mics in the video lol
Anyone else can't hear any difference ? 😂
I can't either, don't worrg
The only difference I can really tell is in the off-axis tone. The 8060 sounds quite a bit muffled compared to the 416, which seems to sound farther away (reverb pickup maybe?)
Can't compare MKH416 with MKH8060, you need to compare it to MKH8070
First
Nooooo
How dare you assume that mics gender
Yeah, 8060 is 416's little sister looking to take his spot since the future is female XD