Which 5150/6505 CRUSHES the others?! | Peavey 5150 Block Letter Vs Signature - 6505 - 1992 Original
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The thing I dont think most folks realize is that even when in factory new condition, the Peavey 5150s varied widely due to parts variance. I have personally owned 5 or 6 minty clean 5150s that sounded like flat tires.
Exactly my thoughts. I bet a comparison of 4 1992’s would have the same variability.
"Like flat tires" I am stealing that.
I watched your video on the MH vs Block vs 6505+ years ago. It's always puzzled me that I hear everyone losing their mind over the 5150 block letter... meanwhile the 5150II (6505+) always sounded better to me in every comparison I've ever watched. Even EVH himself preferred it.
could be bias differences?
I haven't even owned one flat tire. lol
Fluff I don't always agree with you but this is spot on. I've had one that was the basic sound I expected then a sig that had some sauce to it that the others I played didn't. I fully expected it to be modded. Opened it up and nope just parts tolerances and possibly tubes😊
Twist...he was plugged into a Bugera 6262 the entire time.
Impossible, it didn’t explode the whole video 😂
throw them all in a mix and they'd probably be indiscernable. they all sound great.
I'm so grateful for these videos. 5150 and it's variations are always going to be the best metal amps for THAT TONE. Real character and perfect midrange
A = Peavey amp
B = Peavey amp
C = Peavey amp
D = Peavey amp
The best 5150 is the one you have access to.
They all sound great. I liked the bottom one best. I really appreciate that you play riffs in both drop C and E standard. You’re a great rhythm player.
Yeah the bottom one 👍🏾
The amount of 'you' in this video, versus editing out the mistakes, is refreshing. Love this dude. Keep on keepin on!
Excellent video demo Kyle! Thanks so much for doing this much awaited comparison test ❤
They are all great, thanks for taking the time to put this together.
Shocking. How dare you, Kyle?
Awesome video and I believe you are right in saying the differences are down to part tolerances. At the same time I think the potentiometer tolerances will likely have the largest effect here. Pot tolerances are stupidly high
I have a Peavey 6505+ and I absolutely love it. I use it mostly with my Jackson’s. But also use it in a wet dry setup with my Marshall running dry, and the Peavey with all the effects pedal’s.
This is the video I've been waiting for! Good stuff Kyle!
Subtle differences but they can all be dialed in to match. Great job Kyle!
We’re comparing the exact same circuit design to one another. The only real difference you will hear are slight variations from the aged electronics that typically drift over the span of 30+ years. Capacitors are known for this. I’ve owned 3 5150s and they’re all sounded slightly different (darker/brighter) from one another. Cool video 👍🏻
they all sound the same.
I thought that before even watching 😂
That's debatable lol
I hear differences. Midrange shift is pretty noticeable and the bottom ends are varying degrees of flubbz
i heard more difference than i expected tbh
Bravo Peavey quality control. ☑️
Thank you for waking me up...they all sound close enough to not care! Thanks!
The least expensive sounded the best!
Honestly I'd take any one of them. If anything the 6505's brightness is slightly off-putting but that's workable with finding the right speaker/cab. Thanks for stacking them up!
Just got a made in U.S.A. 6505. Don't know what is different from the others but I love it way more than the Mesa MK V 35 I have. hell yeah!!
You're the only person I know who play's Leeway riffs. YOU ROCK brotha. Amps sound great as always when you crunch'em up
Just get a Mark Vii. Problem solved
Do 4 "block letters" and you'll get 4 ever so slightly different sounding amps also.
Component tolerances in mass produced amps are generally 5-20%. To be fair most components these days are rated at those values but still come in very close to spec. Having said that, imagine if you turned all of the knobs just a little bit differently on each amp...that's essentially what parts tolerances do for you.
Those amps didn't sound "slightly different", though. The USA made 6505 was way out there from the others.
the fact that components have tolerance does not mean that that the company does no pre-selection
My marshall 6100 from 1992 had 100% accurate component values after 20 years (including electrolytic caps), I bought extra/spare parts to actually match them (find most accurate ones) but that did not help at all as it seems that the whole production batch can be off
I love ya Kyle. Im glad I know 3 or 4 guys who actually can give me facts based on experience and not mythical forum garbage.
I like E the best!! The solid state stuff because no more microphonic tubes!!! Happy trails everyone!! Have a blessed day and we love you!!!!
Hey Kyle, great freaking demo as usual but this one I've been looking forward to since you first got a hold of that 1992 version. Please tell John to get a hold of me! Anyways, I've been playing for 40 years now and I was a Marshall guy for the longest time until I started with Mesa when I was on tour in the '90s, and as usual like everybody else I jumped from that to Laney and then went to many other amps, but when my friend Troy McLawhorn, now in Evanescence, brought me his new 5150 that he had for about 2 years and put it on top of my cabinets and had me try it at sound check, I got hooked. Ever since then I've owned a few 5150s, and I've seen every demo that you've done including and especially the 5150 demos. That being said, Carlos Santana's amp tech, Carl popeck, is a friend of mine and modded my last 5150, but of all these, the 1992 version to my very picky ears, is absolutely the best beast of a 5150 and you've helped me decide to go purchase one. I even own a 50 watt stealth, but it really comes down to the fact that the look, the sound, and what they've done with the new transformer in that 1992, takes the cake
Such a good video displaying these amps! I think that overall you can get the same sound out of them by tweaking and exploring them. People should try and seek more for a good sound inside the sound area they're seeking rather then a very specific and unique kind of sound.
They all sound the same, amazing. I have a 6505+ usa model. But id play any of these
I own a block letter, but only because I have a friend that owns a studio and he sold it to me for a very decent price (AKA, a pre-VH passing price) but after trying a number of 6505/5150 heads I really would have been happy with any one. They all have "THAT" sound, with minor differences each that are easily compensated by tweaking the controls. If anything, I kinda want the new 1992 model just so I don't have to worry about how old my OG 5150 is lmao. I know it'll deliver the tone we all love anyway, plus it'll be newer with a warranty.
They all sounded identical, pretty damn killer imo!
I just got a 6505MH 20 watt and it is blowin my ass away. I've learned that if it says Peavey on it, it's going to sound great with no EQ tweekin
I bought one of those mini heads a few years from some guys moving out of state for 250 bucks. I primarily use the 1 watt mode into a 4x12 cab and crank the power section. It sounds so good.
I Have the block 5150 and a signature and I find there is a difference in the sound less volume out of the signature .probably will pick up the new 6505 block.
Cheers for the video
Thay all sound awesome!
Part tolerances and tubes tolerances. There is no bias adjustment so you can't set bias properly. 4 set of power tubes in each amp can make different values.
Thank you for this comparison video! I am considering purchasing the 1992. Would you recommend getting the 6505 Cab or using something else like a Mesa cab?
The new 6505 sounds great. I'm interested to know about something you mentioned in an earlier video about improvements to the amp's reliability regarding the tendency of the heater wires to burn up the connectors on the ribbon cable that connects the main board to the power amp board. I have had TWO Peavey amps do this - one JSX I was able to fix and one chinese 6505 I was not, because something else clearly got screwed up when it happened. I would get a new 6505 1992 OG but I do want to know what exactly they did to solve this issue.
After watching your all my cabs video I noticed you did not have a jsx cab, do you know what model of peavey speakers are in those and are they any good?
For reference, An Output transformer with an EIA-695 is from Basler Electric co. Illinois USA.
I have this in my early run 6505+
It’s just a fact that not all equipment sounds exactly the same. There are some that just sound or play better than others for whatever unknown reason even though they are exactly the same product. That’s why when you find a good one ( of whatever amp, guitar etc )you never let it go. Such is life!
Thanks for this video. It's proof that all of them may have subtle differences but pretty much the same overall. So my advise to people who love this tone to just buy one that has the best price. You can dial it in and still get a good heavy saturated tone. .
Agreed!
They all sound good.
all of them sounded amazing and i'm not even sure which is my favorite, but i guess A is the signature, B is the 6505 1992 original, C is the 6505 and D is the blockletter
I like the 1992 and the evh 5150 but for my preference would be 1992 😊another great video my friend keep it 💯 metal
To me the 6505 1992 sounds most similar to the 5150 signature, I was going to buy a 5150 signature but for the price of getting a new 6505 1992, I'll probably go with the new 6505. thanks for the video Kyle!!!
Hey Kyle.. if you had to choose between the Friedman Runt 50 or the Ceriatone Molecular which one would you choose and why? Thanks, keep up the good work! I'll be sure to like and subscribe.
One time I had picked up a used 5150. The thing sounded amazing with a purr and a high pitched creamy mid. Then after a while it STUNK. Turned out a cat had gotten into it and died. That explained the sound and the smell.
Love the graphics. Deff shoild be something u continue to do with "shootout" based videos
Yes it does matter Kyle ,,,, if you enjoy playing ,,, it matters allot Kyle 👶🎤🙏👶🎤🙏 ,, it's fun to find a tone that you as a individual connect with KYLE
I have a 1992 Peavey 5150 block letter. One of the previous owners removed the "5150", "Peavey" logo, "designed and built in the usa" embl emblems. Were they chrome or white?
Does Peavey still offer replacements?
One of the best amp lines ever made...Smokin' Tones...
So after all that it turns out block letter does sound the best 😂
agree on the differences being overblown and not important. I've owned several and dont think the differences matter. Nitpicking aside, B and D sounded best to me in this example (their low end seemed more to my taste).
if I remember correctly, the one 6505 model that did vary a bit from the rest was the 6505 1x12 combo - it had some differences in the preamp I think?
They might have some little bitty differences but uou can dial them in to sound pretty much identical. Lots of people say the original block letter is better than the 5150 II because its "thicker" and has a bit more gain. But then they put an overdrive in front of it to tighten up the low end. The II is already tightened up! Turn the gain up a notch and they sound the same.
I think most of the difference in components tolerance. Event if capacitors and resistors inside of an amp matched completely, pots has a such huge intolerance level that makes any amp and pedal so unique. And it's not 10% between max value, it's intolerance between two pots with completely matched resistance at max. This is a huge difference with resistance of two pots with same max value at the "same" position. Even boutique manufactures does not take care on getting so close matching as possible.
killer amps...love them...im curious to why you didnt play all of them through the new Peavy 6505 ii 4x12 sheffield 1230 cab you played
Wanted to use a cab that everyone would be familiar with
This comment is just for that first set of riffs, That bottom one had a nice little extra high in there, the one to your left I think I would pick at least up until this point because i gotta get back to work so I'll finish tge video on the way home.
I own a 6505+ 112 and all of these amps:
A. Sound identical to each other.
B. Have a sound my little combo can emulate perfectly.
I like the way a 6534plus sounds
A signature
B Block
C 1992
D 6505
Sounded like the same order that you were doing them to me.
such a great video. tolerances in caps (Peavey schematic parts list is 10% to 20%) and resistors (all 5%)can be pretty big. Also these values change over time for most resistors and all electrolytic capacitors. cap and resistor values are extremally important. look at the amount of caps and resistors in a amp circuit and all the different interactions between them. 2 amps pulled off the same assembly line will have slight differences and none will sound exactly the same. Schematics show slight difference in the 5150 Revs pre amp sections. I forget exactly but its something like, they tweaked the value of 1 or 2 capacitors. Still this is is pretty minimal when you compare it to the total amount of tolerance variations in the entire circuit. The amount of BS people put into saying this rev 5150 is so much better and this rev 5150 is terrible, is pretty funny. A much better use of time would be spent learning how to dial your in amp correctly or to focus on improving your playing.
They sound amazing with emg 81 or charvel jb humbucker
You can have 2 identical amplifiers brand new out of the box and there will always be a slight difference between the 2.
Hey Kyle. I recently bought a EVH Iconic 40w combo 5150 ... but i can't seem to dial in the right tone. Because there are so many knobs and options for tone, any suggestion for setting it all up?
Kind of hard to say when I don't know the speakers you're putting it through, the rest of your rig, the room, etc. Just dial with your ears until it sounds good to you. My one tip will be to keep the presence below noon unless you want to kill your ears
The block letter has more presence in the low end and is a tad bit louder. Where as the sig 5150 is more pronounced in the mid/highs it seems.
The block letter and 1992 sounds a bit more saturated and mid-forward. The signature sounds about as mid-forward, but a little less saturated. The 6505 sounds a bit brighter/scooped and a little less saturated, but also very tight. They all sound great IMO!
Is peavey going to make the 6505 112 combo available again?
13:50 riff is tight man
My guess is:
A: signature
B: 6505
C: 1992
D: Block Letter
All have that signature quackiness, and the differences seem to be at the highs and lows. They’re like identical quadruplets with different haircuts
So completely close that it just doesn’t matter. I’ll take a 6505+ because I like the extra features. It’s my favorite amp on planet earth.
Wanna know why my 6505 is the best??
Because its mine 😏🎸
If you used one power section to run all the preamps through, they’d all be hitting the same power section, but from what I understand, when the whole amp is run off the same power, it reacts differently than when the preamp and power amp are split.
Just my tone observation: B has an odd fizz to it that lingers in the high end, C sounds like B but with the fizz almost totally tamed, and D reintroduces the fizz some but sounds fuller.
Now that we all know they sound the same, can we get the used market to lower those prices?
its discussing about details which doesnot means too much because the habits but the block letter vins in terms of color
A=Block, B=Sig, C=6505/1992, D=6505
(D, was my favourite) am I right?
Great video thank you. Well done!
D sounds great
Ok… A was the signature, B 6505, C 1992, D block letter?? But to be honest it’s a guess at best. Wonder how close I was lol.
A = 6505
B = Block Latter
C = 1992
D= Signature
There was one that seemed more low mid present.... through my speakers anyway 😅 I actually liked that one the best, but since I listened to the video and didn't actually watch it... no idea which one. I'm assuming the 1992 origional? Whichever was the 1st on the blind test.
No reveal on that blind test? Brutal. I'm guessing it went sig, 1992, block letter, 6505. I had a dud, really cold 5150 block letter and loved it. Made the amp slightly more clear and less forgiving, kinda budget-VHT esque. All that matters is how the amp encourages you to play and it seemingly isn't tied specifically to make or model.
Ok Kyle, because u said so
Kyle, and anyone else feel free to chime in, it seems like the 5150 red channel gets more gain at lower settings. I’m your experience, is that true?
Of these four amps I think my favorite was the 6505 at the bottom. They all sounded killer and differences were pretty marginal.
How do you sit next to these amps at that volume? Lol
from what i learn omega mike and others , its more of a quality things , reliability, small tweaks for COST effective as peavey golden age to modern
I like that bottom one !! It seems more Sonic?!!?!!? 🤟🤟🤟🤟
No 6505 plus? Its pretty killer for metal. Or the newer 6505II
Also the question is how long does the plastic grill ontop last befor cracking into peaces.
This is completely off topic, but thought I would ask anyway. Does anyone know if the 6505 1992 original is supposed to be a replacement for the regular 6505? I'm asking because I can't see the regular 6505s for sale anywhere, everyone only has the 1992 original version available.
it is
there’s something about those old block letter 5150s… crushing.
The 6505 for me!
Will Peavey ever make a 6505mh with 6l6s?
As i kind of expected... there are really really really close and the differences are like: "this one has 0.000001 db more low end and just a tiny less gain, and this one has 0.000003 db more mids"... so yeah, the overall tone is the same and we should not worry at all
15:01 15:18 15:38 15:58 A and d are the best !
da 6505 2x12 is the best, cause that's the one i have! i heard it's biased warmer but honestly it was just a post I saw somewhere and idk what that even means XD I just watched for the great riffs
Bottom line , all four sounded great . Even with the boost .
with my ears they're essentially just rebranded 5150ii's. And thats fine and dandy but any differences in sound are unnoticeable to me, great amps nonetheless!
What you've proven, is that most people who think there's a big difference between them are hearing them through different speakers/cabinets. The speakers are still the single biggest tone shaper.
If you think the Block Letter has a little more mid honk to it, wouldn't just be easier to adjust your EQ as opposed to going out and buying an overly-priced one? Well - yeah...
Just get a 1992 OG and you're good to go. That one seemed to be the best all arounder.
The signature sounded the best in this vid
I have the 6505 usa on the bottom an love it.
Same here 😊🎸