Balance Tires Without Removing Them... Car Truck Trailer
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2018
- No special tools required! Virtually any tire on cars and trucks can be done the same way.
Stick on wheel weights are what I mostly use. I stick these to the inside center of the wheel(not on the lip like hammer on ones). The procedure is the same just use some masking tape to hold them roughly where you want. Then once balanced, remove the tire, clean the mounting spot and stick them.
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Car and truck tires: You just need a easily spinning axle. I've pried the brake pads apart really fast on a front axle to aid in effortless wheel motion. A front axle on 2wd rear wheel drive vehicles is ideal and the rear axle on a front wheel drive car. This type of balancing is a static balance and you will hear tech guys discuss dynamic balance as the only way... I call BS and have run these personally balanced tires on cars and trucks at sustained 80+mph (90+mph intermittent) without even the slightest vibration. 
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Thanks Ryan.
Yes, I’m in full agreement
Haven’t seen that trick for 40 years great video
Thanks for watching.
Thank you for this. Just did my tires and was looking how to balance them. Awesome video. Easy to follow.
Glad to see you bring back some old school techniques. As a little kid, I watched my dad do this.
It's good enough for a lot of situations.
Hands down the best video on how to do this yourself. Well done 👏
I could feel my trailer vibrating on the highway. I was just about to take my trailer to a tire shop, then I found your video. Thank you for this awesome idea. I just went out and did this and it worked great! Test drive will be 4th of July weekend. 🍻
Hey Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Many times I see trailers on the side of the road where the bearings ceased. Your explanation is awesome, I own two trailers and I’m going to check them today for balance and bearing heat, thank you for a great video. I’m subscribed.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
Very creative, simple, and cheap! The bearing tip was great also!
Thanks.
I always learn something watching your channel. Thanks for the time you take to educate us.
Thanks Man.
Two great tips, Moe. I honestly never balanced a trailer tire, but it has to help them and the bearings last longer, even if it's hard to tell when your towing it. Thanks man--oh and she's still the coolest dog on youtube!!
Thanks. The dog(Ginger) never stops and is a ball full of energy. I generally only balance the trailer tires if they are way out like this one was.
I know what I'm going to be doing this week end !! Thanks for the tip.👍
Thanks for watching Rod. -Moe
Don't forget to make sure the tires are clean and have no stones or mud in the tread first!
Yeah, that's a good point.
INSSAN check for old weights too if outta balance lol
INSSAN and remember tire shops put them on the inside and outside
Yeah, until they get stones in them while driving... kinda pointless to sit there and pick all the pebbles and stones out of the tread.
The patience of Job! Nice work, as always.
Thanks Shaun.
Driving for a while heating up the grease would help it to be more sensitive.
In researching how to balance my own tires, I came across centramatic automatic tire balancers.
Although I loved the idea of how they worked, I was unwilling to pay their prices. So after thinking about it awhile I realized I could do the same thing by placing 3 to 5 Oz of BB's inside the tires. The weight is not critical, I just figured somewhat near the weight of what they normally put on the tires.
I tried it for myself and it works great!
Great video....how many times I have done this is unreal. money saving 2! My car with 250000K on it I still do it old school no .......good stuff!
Awesome!
I use the same trick on feeling my hub temp. Great video as always.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Great bearing and balancing tutorial and a tire hound to boot! 😎
Before seeing your video, I have thought of going to the wrecker and buying used hub/bearing assemblies for the vehicles I use on the highway. Then I figured that replacing the grease in the assemblies with 0 rated grease would lessen the lube drag and then mount them on a stand. I have the bubble balancer but have had mixed results with it. Around here they charge $20 per wheel to balance. Your video has cemented my idea to become a reality. Thanks.
Awesome.
This is vital DUDE, knowledge. Thanks.
Great channel.
Very cool Bud!! I just picked me up a 64 F100, looks good but needs alotta work!!☺
Thanks Man. Very Neat.
I usually split the final weight between the inside and outside of the rim. You can check the bearing of the brake hub by hauling for a while and coasting to a stop on a slight incline to make sure the brake did not add heat to the hub.
Very nice technique, I may have to try this. A person could make up a stand with a smooth bearing for doing this as long as you could mount the wheel perfectly on center. Like for me I have 5 vehicles that all share a bolt pattern so I could just mount up an old spindle for doing this & get very consistent results that way. Great tip at the end too, I actually always feel my hubs when I’m towing.
It would be neat to have a super smooth hub mounted on a fixture.
Lucky you, none of my vehicles share the bolt pattern different manufacturers, brands, type. etc. ;-)
Anyway my 2 cents: Remove and discard the seals from the bearings. Clean/remove all the grease, WD 40 or similar is perfect for the task.
Result is much less resistance and a very sensitive "device". ;-)
When off duty, cover with a plastic bag, to avoid dust and debris, etc. Next time you need it, it´s still "perfect".
Cheers
Edit: Half used bearings is the best. When new they´re still a bit "tight".
Totally worn out, well it´s easy to figure out.
When slightly used it´s just perfect. ;-)
I used to balance truck wheels this way and you are correct that only on the front axle. Also right that the brake shoes wound in first. For disc brakes the disc pads removed first.
ALSO remove the king nut (castle nut) split pin and unwind nut two turns. Pull the wheel out to make loose on the big inner bearing and to make contact close frictionless on the smaller outer bearing. When you feel the truck tire can be turned using only your little finger and it continues to turn, you will see how this method works.
Great tips, I have an old timer pal that does his own tires with an old bubble balancer. He claims it's good to 100 mph we did mine and at 80 it was still smooth soi believe him
I do have a bubble balancer as well that I use for my car/truck tires. I take them to 70+ everyday without vibration. There is a learning curve to those machines.
the bubble b. works
About $45 at harbor freight iirc.
The HF bubble balancer is the biggest piece of crap and it's more like $80 minus coupons. You can put a wheel on, balance it, take it off and put it back on and it will be off balance again. You can do this 10 times and you'll get different results. Sadly I wasted my money on it like many others. I do however have a $400 USA made bubble balancer that rocks. So pick up an old used USA one, but don't waste your money on the HF one.
@@sixtyfiveford watch out, that Chineseium will get you when you least expect it 😜
Years ago when my parents were trying to save every penny, my dad made a balancer by mounting a hub to a piece of ibeam. He was great at balancing tires using that thing. I was a kid, so that is one excuse but I sucked at it. There seemed to be more than one heavy spot :-) But I don't remember dad showing me the finesse like you do here.
Very neat!
I learned more with you than I ever did with my dad
Probably not. Don't curse your dad.
We carry a laser temperature tool we check everything that moves from under the hood to the rear axle it doesn't take much time only a couple of minutes ,breaking down on the road could be hours or more , thanks for your video
I love it As you know I love the old school.
Thanks Bruce!
Cool . Years ago in the garage we had a tire balance that worked like that . It had a round disk , with bolt on fingers , that had a ball on the end . Could use different amount of fingers but usually could find a combination that let the balls set in lug holes . Then tighten bolts that held fingers to disk and all was self centered . Then it all bolted to the machine , that was basically a horizontal shaft on a bearing .
That would be neat to see.
Something like this only a little different , but same principle for the centering hub. www.atlasautoequipment.com/products/other-products/accessories/universal-adapter?gclid=CjwKCAjwlejcBRAdEiwAAbj6KeCov5Qj3SStvTsw4H5ltwtTK3raXuR_29eqnkf2EtwmcHnjpNqLnBoCVvkQAvD_BwE
Very good information, thank you. Your dog is great as well.
Hey Thanks.
This was totally awesome. Loved this video.
Thanks Man.
You always put out great content! How are things going now days?
Paul
Thanks Paul. I'm doing great, just trying to find time to film stuff. How have you been doing?
Awesome videos ! 👍🏻
Old school cool, with good safety tip to booth. Sty well Moe, Joe Z
Thanks Joe.
Always great vids. Thanks for the info. Merry Christmas!
Thanks Man. I hope you're enjoying the great weather down there this time of year.
sixtyfiveford most definitely. I only started carrying a jacket last week, for the evening time.
love your ideas.have used a lot of them .thanks keep it up
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video.
Love it bud , I'm going to have to try it too. 👍👍
Thanks Steve.
great video, shops are charging $80 plus now just to balance which is insane.
You can press something that vibrates on the axle like a electric sander. the vibration loosens the friction.
This +1
I really must remember that fishing ploy next time in the tyre shop 👍
"Dead on close" hahahaha, I'm using that from now on.
thanks so much bud, you really helped me
This is a good video I watched this a couple of years ago, unfortunately I didn't get to practice this technique.
Great video, learned a lot. thank you!
Hey Thanks!
I love this video, great tips! (both of them!)
Hey Thanks!
thanks a lot for this. it's simple and i feel like i have seen someone do it before, but i had completely forgot it. if i wasn't already subscribed, i would subscribe
Great stuff as always, thanks! Cool dog by the way... I can't train my dog to get off the couch!
I can't make this dog sit still. A little couch time would be nice.
Another awesome video. Ty
Great advice and tips! Love the dog!
Thanks Robert. The dog is always having a blast.
LOL! I love watching her, she reminds me so much of my Blue Heeler and Red Heeler/Australian Shepard mix. I lost them both several years ago, but they lived long, happy lives while they were here. One was 16 and the other 17 years old when they passed on.
Great video. Thanks
Totally doing this. Mounted my tires today using rim edge guards and spoons. Zero damage to my barrels and lips, unlike many lazy shops that slam rims into the machine which then marks the barrels with its teeth. No thanks. Bought brand new wheels and tires. Will use that nylon tool to dismount in the future. Rather have skills than go to shops
Beautiful bearings...my goodness
Great Video.Thanks for Sharing
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Cool and helping thanks
Looks a healthy and well balanced doggie 🙃🐶🐶
HAHA
Smooth rolling to the lake.
I stole your "Old School Cool" phrase from the other day.
@@sixtyfiveford I heard you say the phrase and literally chuckled and then said old school cool out loud. Haha 👍
your awsome .. loved this vid
Awesome video.
Thanks Marcus.
Interesting, thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks Man.
sixtyfiveford I tried it on my durango, even took the wheel off and fully compressed the caliper, but too much resistance in the wheel bearing I guess, I’ll have to try another vehicle 👍
Great video, thanks for posting it.
When are you going to do a whole video on your dog? He looks pretty awesome - I'd love to see that one.
Thanks. Good idea, I could do a video on Ginger.
One thumbs up for the video and one thumbs up for the dog.
The Dog and I appreciate it!
Yes that works but sometimes you have to loosen the bearings a bit. Don't forget to re tighten
True. Fresh packed bearings aren't the best for effortless motion and that's generally when you're thinking about stuff like this.
This trick is good when your wheel bearing be healthy 😂
this was cool Moe, no tools at all. Save those weights, I used 20 pounds of wheel weights for my dive helmet.
That has to be fun walking around outside of water. You need to do more videos on the dive helmet!
I agree, it is on my list.
Good one Moe!
Thanks.
sweet tech Moe !
Thanks!
Amazing ~ thanks Moe
Hey Thanks.
I usually use a new drill bit a little smaller than my drywall screws and go ahead and use screws to attach the weight onto the rubber. Never use glue. You do have to consider the extra weight of the screws.
Put on the bottom of tread, where the rubber meets the road.
Good way to do it
Harbor Freight caries stick on weights since they sell a balancer. Those stamped steel trailer wheels look like the 15's my Jeep came with.
Yep, they're stock Jeep rims.
SLAM.... Wayyy buddy video's worth watching... Teach the dog how to balance wheels as well... Interesting videos when it comes to saving money... Well done...
Thanks Man.
Awesome
Can I balance my car Tyre by following these steps?
I've never balanced trailer tires. Probably not the smartest thing, but I've never noticed any issues.
I think it prolongs the life of the tires/bearings/spring bushings etc. For the most part unless it's way out like this tire was you would never notice it.
Ya I have never had a shop even ask to balance trailer tires in Minnesota still good info though. Also I thought you were not supposed to re-use wheel weights because there much more likely to fall off.
Walmart won't balance trailer tires unless you ask and even then they hesitate. Don't know why.
Genius!
I suppose for bearings that are not that easy to move, some kind of vibration applied to the axel may help.
A use for that crap-o power tool that vibrates because of a poorly balanced armature.
Something you could try on your trailer, faster result perhaps?
Very interesting idea!
Have you ever used the Tire Balancing Beads ?
You got a lot of weights saved up.
Seams like I only use the stick on ones anymore.
For trailer tires, go to harbor freight. Purchase an affordable portable balancer. Zip the trailer tires off in 2 minutes. Put the trailer tire in the bubble balancer. Balance the tires. Put them back on.
This method does work for a ballpark balance, but it's far from perfect. Back when I was a kid and I used to throw weights off roading I'd use this method to get by until pay day. Around town it would usually be fine but above 60mph you'd still get some vibration.
It takes practice with this method, but I can cruise 70+ without any vibration with it. Sometimes it takes a second or third go and some trial and error by adding another weight here and there.
I like these videos. You should see how bad some people get it. And famous last words.. "I watched a video on you tube how to" didn't I do it right?. As they bring in their car.
After watch the video. Will try to install tire myself. Save $30 each tire.
I have a harbor freight folding trailer. Bearing not going in properly. Castle nut can not go in far enough to place a safety pin back in.
What to do next?
I've never had an issue with the un-balanced trailer tires, on my 20' car trailer, in 20+ years.. Tires in general, aren't terribly Out of Balance. Most tire balancing can be taken care at time of mounting, by rotating the tire on the wheel. But, if I were to want to balance my trailer tires, I would use this technique. Good video!
Unloaded is generally when you'll notice it most but single axle trailers feel it more than heavier trailers like a tandem car hauler. I will only balance them if they are way out like this one was. I was pulling the tire to put a plug in a nail hole when I noticed it spun/dropped to the heaviest part when I jacked it up.
Right on!
This should work better than Harbor Freight's cheapo bubble balancer. They had one on display so I took the top part off and turned it over to look inside. The base has a steel rod tapered to a sharp point, and the point fits in a recess in the top. The problem was that recess piece was glued in the top and I didn't need a caliper to see that it wasn't even close to being centered. There's no way that balancer could be accurate. You get what you pay for. I've been trying to think of a way to make an accurate static balancer that would work for all my vehicles, and thanks to you, I now know that I don't need one--just use the vehicle itself.
I bought the Harbor Freight Bubble balancer 10+ years ago and it is a nightmare. You would balance the tire, pull it off, put it back on and it was randomly out of balance a different side. You could do this endlessly. Randomly I found the vintage USA model that they copied to make there's and bought it. The vintage USA made one actually works pretty good.
@@sixtyfiveford Its pretty easy to make one if you have a lathe, even a wood lathe will work, all you need is to be sure it fits the hub hole good, and that it is concentric with the cone in the center, then use the HF base.
You can either use tbe HF bubble, or just use a good level across the wheel in several directions till you find the high spot. Actually the level will be more accurate
Guess this was before you found out about the Y method.
Nice doggo
Thanks.
This is called static balancing. Basically your only balancing up and down vibration. But when you take the tire to a tire shop they use dynamic balancing which will balance up and down but also side to side. Dynamic is leaps and bounds better than static. Now for a trailer tire it should be just fine. But dont do this on a car.
How did they set a 301 mph land speed record in 1935, ten years before Merrill wheel balancing system was invented?
? Is from me to you the wheels you got on the trailer what type of car they came off and what your bolt pattern on the hub.
These particular wheels are Jeep wheels from the early 2000's. Most trailers have a 5 lug pattern on 4.5" circle. Jeeps and Ford Rangers used this same pattern from the 80's until 2010ish.
Yep! cheap and easy,,,just like my first wife! Now show us how to tell if a tire is out of round without removing it?
Mike, nailed it.
Use putty to determine the amount and locatiin then convert to lead
Gilles Jolicoeur How? You would have to weigh the putty once you got it right. Seems like more of a pain in the ass than a convenience....
For frt wheel drive vehicles..jack it up..a couple of hits to the tire with a rubber hammer will cause enough vibration to release the effects of the brake pads..now balance.
I think you're forgetting about something fundamental
Sam Ruba LMAO!
WOW!
Does it matter if the weights on the inside or outside of the rim ?
It really doesn't matter.
Awesome idea. Should have thought of it myself. Oh well.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
I would like to see you take that tire to a tire shop and spin it up on a wheel balance machine and see how close it balances.
Tyre shop does innner and outer rim , the interesting thing is looking at what weight and where its placed each is. Haven't professionally balanced tires for well over 30 years but then and now always look at weight arrangement and see if one contradicts the other, I've seen plenty that do.
Like all things, the best machine or tool is only as good as the operator.
I'm not saying there is a major problem with this, just that a poor operator thinks they are doing things correctly and compounds an initial mistake, following what the machine tells them, which is erroneous as of an initial mistake.
I don't know what standard procedure is these days,it used to be remove all weights, then spin, look at readings add weight according to readout , spin to verify ok, then repeat process other side of rim.
I regularly used much less weight to balance rims than came off them
This method as he says, will get them close, which is hugely better than not
Good simple method
Knock of all the weights and put 6oz of antifreeze in all done.
It took some time but no need to remove the wheel and no special tools needed. I'll take it. :)
After you do it a few times you can eyeball pretty close the weight needed by how fast it self spins. I can generally do a tire in under a minute or two.
Cool tip . . . cooler dog . . . :) Rog
Hey Thanks. I'm running out of ideas of tricks to teach her.
Be cool to take it to a tire shop and see how close you are
I have a $400 professional USA made bubble balancer that confirms it, but the best test is my butt. If I can drive 80mph+ and not feel a single vibration, I'm happy. It would fail against a dynamic balancer as that is what their machines are set up standard to test for. Dynamic test not just for a heavier side of the tire but for a heavy inside or outside of the tire. Ideally I would have split the weight for the inside and outside lip of the rim to keep a dynamic balance and by putting the weight only on 1 side I though the dynamic further out. This is a static balance and they can test for that, I would just need to request it. It should have no issues meeting a computer static balance test. The debate is do you really need a dynamic vs a static balance????
This is genius