Most ppl here will prefer the Epson because they can't afford the JVC. It is cheaper, and a lot brighter which looks impressive to the amateur eye, but the loss of details is so big....I am not talking about pixels, which the Epson has because it's not a native 4k pj, but wherever there is a bright scene with lights or explosion, all you see is plain white with no limitation and details inside. I can't watch stuff like that guys. Now, if you want to have a pj playing 15 hours a day in the patio , watch RUclips vids, browse websites, watch movies all around, the Epson or even the optoma uhd60 at 2000$ will do the job. Sony and JVC make the best serious projectors today. But again it depends what you want in life.
My only issue with JVC is that they show less details in dark scenes. Its so dark that many details dissapear compared to other projectors were you can see in the dark parts whats hidden. 24:48 You can't really see her clothing and details on JVC 4:50 The rob look how cool it looks on Theo 65, dark and shines. While on JVC its plain and almost not visible.
That has to do with re-adjusting the "HDR Slider" on Epson...then youll probably be fine! Sony isn't recommended since they got a lot of technical issues (panel degradation, colour,- and gammadrift, "blue" black levels..)
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I think EPSON 6050UB is the best value for all. JVC prices is crazy 2000 priced for $7999 and the 3000 $17999 is this normal absolutely NO. great video thanks
At present, I have a 200 inch white screen in a dark room. I have used Benq 1080P W3000 for 3 years and loved the results. Now I'm looking to upgrade to 4K. I'm confused should I choose Epson 6050 UB or JVC NX7. The only point of concern stopping me from buying JVC is 1800-2000 lumens where Epson 6050 has 2600 lumens. I've heard for screens as large as 200 inches, a brighter projector is much better. Please help what should I choose?
Spoken as someone who has never seen a jvc in the right setup..those are toys compared to what the jvc can do. This sad video is terrible and misleading
This is a terrible comparison. If you don't understand how you horrible setup is affecting the much better jvc contrast then I have no idea why you guys are trying to teach people.
Please view the comparison that was attended by and commented by a professional highly respected calibrator, Kris Deering. ruclips.net/video/rjTHbDLsJow/видео.html
I can't believe it took me so long to find this, I own a 5050UB basically the 6050UB. Pretty much makes the 5050UB far and away the best bang for buck projector out there, its almost as good as a projector 3 times it's price tag.
( EPSON IS THE WINNER )👍 BRIGHTEST COLOURFUL EVEN LOOKS SHARPER IN SOME SCENE THAN NATIVE 4K . IMAGINE WHAT NATIVE EPSON GOING TO LOOK LIKE , THIS IS ONLY HALF OF THE PIXELS THAN OTHER 2 PROJECTORS ...
Winner???LoL...that what you call sharpness is simply the horrible acreendoor effect. With the jvc you can get super close and not see the pixel structure. With the EPSON you have to sit back to avoid seeing it. Brightest uncalibrated which means crap. The JVC is a REAL projector. The EPSON is a toy in comparison. Sorry to burst your bubble ..
@@shaolin95 Sounds like someone bought a JVC and is having buyers remorse. JVC and Sony are bother overpriced in the LCD market. Input lag is also dramatically less on the Epson. Epson is by far the winner if you consider everything.
I’ve had the Epson and Have the JVC. JVC by far better picture. If you have a dedicated room then go JVC. If you need brightness due to being in a non dedicated room go Epson. Simple as that. The Epson a great bang for buck. The JVC is the superior projector though.
As a user that switched from a Sony VPL 295 (panel degredation) 'back' to a UB6050: Sharpness and details are good on the Epson and there is much more options to 'forge' the picture to your liking. Depending on your very machine (both Sony and Epson) there are better or worse lenses (serial spread) resulting in good or not so good clarity/sharpness. There are very few times i think i noticed more details on the Sony. More brightness on the Epson. Sony is quieter considering fan noise and native 4K (no shifting sounds). Black level: Not happy with UB6050. Other than the video suggests the black floors of UB6050 aren't good (my opinion) and not as black as they look in the video. Saw JVC X5900 (40000:1) and it wasn't a 'wow factor' on blacks either, just little difference. That's bit better on the JVC NX7 i think.
Unfortunately getting projectors right now is next to impossible, due to Covid, Let alone being able to get them all at the same time. Not to mention and The UHZ-65 was discontinued last year, so that isn't possible.
Another random 5050 and 6050 comment is that they have released a new fimrware that supposedly increases the pixel shift to 3 times for 24p content. It would be interesting to see a comparison of that.
What 6050 manages to pull out for it's price is insane. Native 4K absence might be future downer and maybe the judder, but other than that given the price, nothing.
Lol Epson may look the brightest, but in person you can clearly tell the difference. I’ve had the Epson, and have the JVC. Different level of picture on the JVC. You keep on doing you though man.
this test is wrong, or "not fair" because the camera (our point of view) is right in the middle, which means we are viewing the left and right image of those projectors off centered, which means that the color and texts will look faded, either to dark, grainy, washed out, or out of focus. it be like trying to watch tv from the side, , the image is gonna look diff, than if you were watching it front and centered. we dont know if he did all 3 test from the center, and imported into 1 video. or if we are viewing all 3 videos at the same time, hope someone knows what i'm talking about. Either way, i think the middle1 and right 1 have better image, the left1 has better color and shading, the middle1 has better whites, and the right1, just seems normal. each of em have their goods and cons tho.
We understand what you are saying, however, unless we see the difference in person we do not publish it. The screen is a Stewart Stuiotek 130 Reference screen and has very little directionality to it. What we publish in the video is as close to what we saw in person as we can do. We sell all three of these projectors and as you can see from the comments there are fans and customers of all three and we try to be as fair as possible but we knew that some would not like the results hence the invite to come see it live if they are in the market for one of the top 8 4K projectors under $10k. www.tvspecialists.com/projector-comparison-challenge/
Would like to see you guys do a "vs" between the 3 following projectors . The BenQ W5700/5550 vs BenQ W2700/HT3550 vs Epson TH-TW9400/6050UB. Or just between the BenQ W5700/5550 and the Epson TW9400/6050UB - I just thought it would be fun to have the BenQ W2700/HT3550 in the mix as a very cheap alternative :)
Watching at the ANSI contrast test, for example Epson 26.5 / 0.56 = 47.32 contrast ratio. How come in reviews of many projectors generally ANSI contrast is in a range of 200-350 in the same test?
Except the NX7 has way worse blacks than their previous projectors, I upgraded only to take it back and go back to my old JVC. With thepoor blacks on the NX5 and NX7 you may as well save money and get the Epson, particularly if you aren't in a room with black ceilings and walls. The chromatic aberration on the close-up of the people on the stairs (look at the white shirts) was also pretty awful.
JVC NX7 is WAAAAAY overpriced at $9000 and the Epson is ONLY $3000. Epson for the win!..JVC looks like a $9000 lemon compared to the much cheaper Epson. Talk about highway robbery!
At 8:40 you say that the room is not completely dark but the test is fair because all of the projectors are in the same room. False! Given that all of the projectors measure a dismal 50-something, it's obvious that the black floor is being set by the stray room light.
Yes, and no. When I say that the room is not completely dark, w are refering to the fact that the walls and ceiling are not black, or say black velvet. So you are correct, the black floor is somewhat dependent on how much light (stray light) the projector is outputting when it is supposed to be doing black. There are no other lights on in the room. However it is fair, because the only stray light is coming from the projector being measured. Any light that is coming out of the projector is hitting the screen, and some of that then reflects off walls and ceiling back onto the screen. So the better the black levels the projector can produce, the lower the measurement will be. All projectors are measured the same.
@@mikebpiper > There are no other lights on in the room. However it is fair, because the only stray light is coming from the projector being measured. If that's the case, then yes, it is fair. Not to be a curmudgeon, but your CR measurements still aren't worth much. [edit: apparently you agree, because they seem to have been edited out since I first posted]. I guess the 50ish values for all the pj's was based on the ANSI and must be due to room reflections or poor measurement technique (maybe too low a level for the meter), as I'm sure all of those pj's are capable of far more than that and significantly more different than you indicate. And the JVC will destroy the other two in native (full-on/full-of) CR.
@@noahkatz9616 the numbers measured at 8:40 were whites, not black levels. the black levels were measured after, but were not "50ish values, but rather POINT (.50) ish numbers. I don't know about any editing of numbers, this video is from 2019, and was mainly done by Ted, who has now retired. In any case, I agree, There is no question the JVC will produce better blacks natively. Hope that helps and makes sense.
So confused. JVC has reputation for amazing blacks, and that’s super important to me because I hate watching dark scenes in movies when you can’t tell what’s going on when watching on a subpar tv. But the JVC doesn’t appear better then the Epson here. Why spend way more money for the JVC?
You need to listen to the commentary they are giving. Judging these projectors based off of a video on RUclips played back on your monitor is like judging a subwoofer based off a RUclips video played back on airpods.
CJ Paul yea I bought the JVC and the blacks are indeed amazing. Rivals a really good tv actually. But I have it paired with a SI slate screen in a blacked out theatre room with dark paint on the walls and ceiling giving it the ideal setup to shine
"Congratulations to TV Specialists for the amazing job that they do every time" I'm just amazed that the Epson's performance, which can be bought as a 5050(same specs) for $2700 street price, being compared to projectors that cost 2 1/2 times as much. Unless you have the money to burn or/and a room with complete light control, the Epson has no competition here. one of the biggest problems the Epson seems to have is resolution and screen door effect, which from a regular viewing distance becomes none existent.
The 5050 is almost the same, but lacks the higher contrast (see specs) and the extra 1 year of warranty , lamp, deluxe ceiling mount, and back cover but is very similar in other specs.
That's true, but keep in mind that there's a huge premium in the market for that "4K" picture, which Epson can't do. There's another great review on this channel of the Epson 5040UB vs Optoma UHD65 and JVC LX-UH1 where they also do some in-depth comparisons and show how this effects more than just resolution. Don't get me wrong, the Epson is an awesome projector for the price, but if we don't care about the additional resolution, then we can probably find some nice 1080p PJ contenders out there and save an additional few bucks.
@@georgepopescu1327 I guess it depends on what you value more: colors or resolution. My point still stands: Epson is a great PJ, but resolution is a huge up-charge in today's market and the Epson doesn't do 4K.
@@brois841 of course, Epson is the best 1080p projector that you can buy brand new today, the last of his kind but it can do p3 colors and HDR along with a very decent native contrast and decent black levels. Other 1080p projectors that could do this even better are out of the market now (JVC shifters which were arguably better than those native 4k's in terms of native contrast)
It’s always fun watching these “pros” trying everything they can to show us how these more expensive projectors are soo good when any normal person looking at these images knows darn well the Epson is the only one worth buying. I’ll stick with my 4010.
To me LCOS really is the most beautiful technology but the degradation they suffer is the deal-breaker, especially for their price. My Sony VPL-HW50ES lost all its contrast in a few years, the deep blacks turning into boring greys. That degradation is so gradual though that most people probably don't even notice it. I think I'm going to go LCD for the reliability, brightness and input lag. edit : After doing research and looking at english, french and german threads on the subject, it seems that Sony SXRD projectors are the only ones suffering from the loss of contrast. JVC D-ILA projectors do suffer from a loss in gamma but that can be fixed through calibration. Knowing that I'm getting tempted by the x7900. It also appears that DLP projectors are the most reliable in time, but on the downside they have bad black levels and you have to go laser to get decent brightness without messing with the color wheel.
True but the overall image goes to DLP for sharpness. The LG hu810p laser projector is about the same as the Optoma but a tab more affordable and the black level is very decent! Jvc is just overpiced and is underwhelming.
LOL. The other two that are not JVC are not even real 4K, don’t have native contrast ratio anywhere near the JVC and can’t handle HDR anywhere near JVC’s Frame Adapt HDR Tone Mapping.
I was a bit surprised of the comparison. I had the opportunity to compare the jvc and the epson personally. personally it was very obvious for me, there is almost a small world in between both. the epson shows a bit strange processing in my opinion. 1:1 compared it looks like there is a thin white sleeve on the screen. And its black is more a mix of grey and purple with a black level of 0.35 lumen compared to 0.06 of the jvc. and its super loud with more than 30 db in high lamp mode for hdr. Of course correctly calibrated for such a comparison. I personally think, that epson missed a big chance, stopping their laser projector and not significantly improving the LCD ones somehow. Now they will probably beaten up by the new Benq 5700...
You understand that the Epson is $4000 less than the JVC and the 5050, which is basically the same projector as the 6050 being reviewed here without the extra lamp and mount, retails for $2,700. The Epson did not lose an opportunity, they refined what they have been doing and are now competing against projectors that cost more than twice as much. Which projector do you own right now, if I may ask?
@@TheDancerall I changed after 3 years epson 9300 a year ago to jvc 7900. And the only thing i said was, that theres a huge difference between n7 and 9400 visible in reality, which the comparison does not transport. And that i think, that epson should have improved a lot more on the 9400, what the new benQ 5700 emphasizes on the same price level as the epson. All my personal opinion of course
You guys really do the best reviews. Question - Did the Theo DLP have ANY advantage at all with motion-smear. My dated experience was that LCD and LCOS were slightly behind in this regard. Also, how did the HDR Auto-tone mapping compare between them?
You guys did a amazing job with the added color filter on the Theo-Z65. I have a Mitsubishi WD92840 DLP TV. I calibrated it and it puts up a very good picture. I change out the bulb every year to obtain maximum brightness also while I am at it I vacuum the chassis and clean the lens. Even though it's 1080P it's amazing to watch galaxys and nebula in the bright mode to bring out more color. It's a keeper. But when time comes the Theo-Z65 will be replacing it. By the way I have never seen a rainbow on this tv and no one has ever commented about it. I believe it has a six segment color wheel. Anyway you guys are really good at what you do!
If the Epson works on Pixel Shifting to create 4K this would mean you need to compare "moving" images not "still" images to get the best from it. Is this correct? I have watched the Epson in person and it looks amazing. I compared it to the Sony 295es, the Epson looked brighter and just as "natural" as the Sony for half the price. The Epson is $12000 cheaper than the JVC. Is the JVC $12000 better than the Epson 6400?
Epson looks amazing. No one watches movie by pausing and chking for sharpness. It's good for test but not normal day to day use for watching movies TV shows
A really in depth view of the differences which is really good to have since all of us don´t have the ability to measure and compare that easily. BUT and here is the but. I would like to have it more clear that one is a native 4k and the other two is pixel shift. I annoys me that it is very hard to find wether a projector is true native 4k or pixel shift. They all advertise them as 4k but once you look closer most of them are pixel shift and that to me is kind of a scam.
Good Feedback, I agree there is a lot of confusion out there, and it is hard sometimes to get a clear answer. Part of the problem is there are different types of pixel shift, some, like the Epson, and earlier JVC projectors didn't do a true 4k, but instead essentially doubled (1920 x 1080) giving you just over 4 million pixels. According to the CTA (Consumers Technology Association), 4K UHD must deliver 8.3 million distinct pixels on the screen, which is four times the resolution of Full HD 1080p. Some projectors, like the Theo-Z65, or Benq 9060HT (and others) do a true 4K, and depending on who you are talking to, (including industry leaders) some do not consider the process used by DLP to be a "pixel shift", or at least do not want to put it into the same category as other pixel shifting technologies, as they are different in the end results and how many pixels are on the screen. Sometimes it is even hard to tell by looking at the spec sheets of a projector as I've seen resolution spec's not be very clear about what the native resolution is. In my opinion, really what matters most at the end of the day, is what it looks like on the screen, and what your eyes tell you. For additional info see the following: www.soundandvision.com/content/dlps-4k-really-4k www.projectorcentral.com/4k-projectors-defined.htm www.benq.com/en-us/knowledge-center/knowledge/true-4k-uhd-home-projector.html www.ti.com/dlp-chip/display-and-projection/4k-ultra-high-definition-display.html
Instead of the Theo, the UHD 65 would have been a better projector to compare, given that it has the same sharpness and detail as the Theo, but better blacks...
Actually, you might want to consider this comparison and blog post (ruclips.net/video/q4GG9RdxYrA/видео.html & www.tvsproslc.com/blog/optoma-uhd65-vs-uhz65-laser-projector-comparison/ ) where the UHZ65 "does have the edge" with best contrast and blacks. Then, consider that we did a comparison with the UHZ65 vs the Theo and the Theo had even better blacks than the original UHZ65.
" dlp gives you the best contrast out of all projectors ..well I've found ..it also gives you a more (dlp)life like look ! Than LCD ..(zero- motion blur) ..And this is on a budget too! d 🤕
In a light controlled room, calibrated, spending time watching movies nearly all of us would choose the JVC. I've owned many projectors and the JVC NX7 (with anamorphic lens) is the best projected image I've ever seen. The HDR tone-mapping inside of the JVC is to die for... Of course you could always get an external processor, but for being built into the projector there is NOTHING on the market today that will translate a 4K HDR image onto the screen like the JVC. (that feature wasn't in the JVC when this video was produced, BTW) The Theo/Optoma is impressive, though the rainbow effect might get'cha! My next projector will be a laser (Sony or JVC next gen).
Unfortunately the NX5 does not have a wide color gamut, these all have at least 70 percent of BT2020 where a normal projector had about 54-57 percent of BT2020. We wanted to compare the projectors that could show more of the HDR color and dynamic range.
@@frederickdaria1527 I would check with your local video store or authorized retailer. It's actually $3500 at best buy.. I'm sorry it'd actually the Jvc LC-NZ3B at that price.
Don't forget the Rainbow effect with the Theo... Also realistically, no one is going to view the images at 2 feet. With a few minor tweaks, the 6050UB has the best bang for the buck.
I watched the normal Optoma UHZ65 in a dark room at a cinemaconference, the rainbow effect in the white scenes of the movie Passenger were so horrible it made me nauseous. I wonder why no one talks about it in the video.
It's talked about in our latest comparison and blog post: www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dla-nx7-vs-tvs-pro-theo-z65-with-kris-deering-part-i/ Some people don't see it all, but there are a lot that do and it really bothers them. It's definitely something someone should see and/or consider when looking at these projectors.
I'm one of those that is sensitive to RBE and i tought that with years of evolution in technology it would be no issue anymore. Went to a local shop and saw the Optoma UHD65 and as soon the movie start Rainbow effect kicked in....DLP not an option for me still.
@@MMJAZZ1977 I thought that aswell but there is hope. There is this dlp laser projector with 3 chips red, green and blue. Thought it was a model from acer but I forgot its name
Right now we're offering to help reimburse travel if you purchase one of the top 8 4K HDR projectors. If you're interested, check it out here: www.tvspecialists.com/projector-comparison-challenge/
@@Quay19 It really depends on your budget, your environment, and what features/preferences you have. There is no such thing as 'best projector' for every situation because every one is so different.
JVC-NX5 or Optoma UHZ65 or LG HU85LA? I’m now down to these three for my theatre room with 100% light control. Looking for great blacks, vibrant colors, and also want to play my PS4 on it from time to time.
All Good options, really depends on personal preference, lighting conditions, as well as a few other things to take into consideration. I'd recommend calling in if you want to discus further and speak to a specialists here at TVS Pro.
that LG has no place in a home cinema, it's a DLP with very poor native contrast and horrible blacks. Also the fact that is a short throw it's not an advantage at all since a lot of the light will bounce on your ceiling instead of bouncing back to you (how a normal projector work). This will couse your ceilling to illuminate the room thus lowering your contrast even more, unless you have black velvet on your ceiling. Also keep in mind that the regular UHZ65 is nothing like this modified one you see in this video so don't expect those good blacks from it couse it won't have but still it's way better than that LG UST or any other DLP UST on the market.
George Popescu soooo NX5 definitely then? Not spending more than $5k and want the best under that price for a true dedicated theatre room. Crisp detailed blacks are always important to me. Also looking at the Epson 6050ub now 😳
Jake Wynne I actually ended up with the NX5. I got a floor model from local dealer. They put a Brand new bulb put in for me. Got it under $5k that way. It’s beautiful by the way. The blacks are gorgeous (of course you only will see that if you have a true dedicated theatre room with controlled lighting). The picture quality is so good it looks like a TV. Highly recommended!
Coming from an HW40ES will the Epson look much better? Looking to keep or improve black levels, have good motion (sensitive to this) and more detail retrieval on UHD streaming/disc content. Thanks great thorough reviews:)
23 and 31 are to low for HDR. So basically you are trading pixels for light. Bottom line for HDR you need brightness. It is why their is almost no available consumer Projectors that do Dolby Vision. My friend has a Sony Native 4K but he has a white room and even with lights completely off that projector looks good but not as good as my 4040 in my home theater that has a dark walls and ceiling. Up close it is clear Sony is more detailed but at regular viewing distance the 4040 looks better. If he had a proper room the Sony would kick my 4040's ass. Bottom line just realize native 4K projectors need more light pushed through the bigger chip. The room and screen are big factors. The epson 6050 and 5050 fixed a big issue the 5040 and 6040 had and my 4040 has when it comes to gaming, The chip could not puch 4k 60fps HDR. You can only SDR at 60fps. At 24ps it is fine. Unless something changes the 6050 will be my next projector.
George is correct. We're actually showing our own modified Theo-Z65 (which carries the same Optoma UHZ65 warranty and has been approved by them). More information is in the link in the description.
@@Tvspecialists Hi, are your modificantions done in software and configuration? Or do they include changes to the hardware? I am asking because i really love this projector and wan't 3D Blueray support, but in my country i only have access to the UHZ65. I your modifications are software and configuration based i imagine you could sell them to a UHZ65 owner.
@@TheDepopulationBomb if they could achive those things only by software, the Optoma would have released a firmware update and thus making their projector much more competitive. It is obvious that they made hardware changes.
Visually it doesn’t work. Can’t read the on screen data or your equipment. You rush and are more concerned with data vs appreciation by the viewer. Anyway I guess there’s some take aways if we can keep up.
Where I live the prices for these projectors are: 1) JVC NX7 8700 $ 2) UHZ 65 (regular, not yours) 5500 $ 3) TW9400 (is the same as Ub6050 but no wifi) 2400 $ With those prices in mind I think I will go for Epson. What do you think? :))
The Epson is a great projector, as long as you watch far enough back that the "screen door effect" (fill factor lines) are not visible that could be a great choice if less costly than the above in your area.
@@Tvspecialists 120 inch screen diagonal and 10 ft watching distance . I don't know, I think I have to see it before buying because I won't stand screen door effect. It's horrible.
Epson is the best choice by far in terms of price/performance. The NX7 is just not bright enough, unless you have a perfectly blacked out and dedicated home cinema room. The UHZ is nice but too pricey compared to the Epson. And not as bright. For most, Epson is the way to go, especially considering the Epson replacement lamps are very cheap.
Ted, I was curious as to what lamp mode the JVC was in when measuring 28.9 foot candles, low or high? Also, was the manual iris closed any or was 28.9 the peak with the iris completely open? thanks again
The JVC iris was fully open and the lamp was in high mode. With the new 3.10 JVC firmware the image is much brighter and you will see this calibrated by Kris Deering and compared to the new Theo-Z65 Lite in our next video.
My only issue with JVC is that they show less details in dark scenes. Its so dark that many details dissapear compared to other projectors were you can see in the dark parts whats hidden. 24:48 You can't really see her clothing and details on JVC 4:50 The rob look how cool it looks on Theo 65, dark and shines. While on JVC its plain and almost not visible. Can someone please give more input about this? I feel like JVC in many scenes losses details in black areas because its just darker and nothing is shown.
Yes, that has to do with the way we do the tone mapping in the Theo so that the mid tones are favored since that is where our eye seems to go and we judge a scene by.
Crazy, on some scenes I can see the screen door effect of the Epson on my watching on my 65" oled from 7-8 ft away. Theoretically, I would see the pixels sitting 12 ft away using the Epson on a 135" screen 🤔
@@georgepopescu1327 I have the Epson and a 142" screen yes If you walk up 3 feet away you can see pixel other than you can't see pixels in normal viewing distances.
I used to have a 5010ub, you could definitely see the screen door effect from 10 feet away for a 100 inch screen. Once i switched to my first 1080p JVC, the screen door effect was nearly invisible because LCOS has such small distance between pixels. Its not just about resolution. A 70+ 1080p LCD TV was unwatchable in comparaison.
I would like to add the Z65 has a crisper picture. When looking at the tops of the buildings the contrast just leaps out of the screen also the level of detail in the darker areas is much better than the other two.
@@NYCLJ34 Great suggestion, if we can get both here at the same time we will for sure do that one. The difference, of course, is the wide color gamut and the better blacks, the real value of that difference will be a very individual decision, but the NX-7 is definitely an improvement.
Nice job guys. I have a 10 year old JVC dla-rs1 which is not nearly as bright as any of these but now I wonder if I get the epson 4K will I see a screen door effect I didn't see on my JVC
It will depend on your viewing distance. At 1.5 to 2 times your screen height (ideal 4K viewing distance), yes, you will see the screen door effect, however, at 3 to 5 times the viewing height (HD viewing distance) most people will not, or at least it will not bother most of them.
I own a 5050ub (same as the 6050ub) after upgrading from a 5040ub. I was curious to see how the Epson compared to the JVC. I was surprised that screen door effect was an issue on the Epson because with the 4k pixel shifting, there is no screen door. The Epson is a 1080p projector that can pixel shift to display a close to 4k image. It seems like the "4k detail and resolution" was not a fair comparison because the Epson's pixel shift of its 1080p chip was not enabled. That also would have solved the moire effect that was present during the whole video.
@Vic Vic I’m about 3 meters away from a 135 inch screen. I can’t see any video noise caused by the 4k enhancement. To me, it fills in the space in the screen door and gives a more film-like picture. Unless you mean audible noise? I haven’t noticed any audible noise caused by the pixel shifter. As for the 5040 vs 5050, the final image quality is about the same, but it took much more effort to dial it in on the 5040. The bright hdr setting clipped too much highlight detail, so I had to create a custom gamma curve (which took hours to get right) on the darker hdr mode to bring up the overall brightness while preserving highlight detail. That also meant I had to switch picture modes (because that gamma curve also affected SDR) every time I’d switch between SDR and hdr. The 5050 has an HDR slider that accomplishes the same thing as my gamma curve. Between that and supporting 4k60 in HDR, the 5050 is a win, but besides those two things, they’re basically the same. I ran both on the normal lamp mode and never had an issue with fan noise. High power does have fan noise though on both projectors. I found that normal lamp mode with a slightly closed iris with auto iris enabled will keep the blacks looking good in dark scenes but give it some headroom to open up more for highlights. During end movie credits when names are static on the screen (not scrolling), a short name will keep the iris a bit closed so the black will be pretty dark, but a long name will cause the iris to open and make the name quite bright. That’s the only inconsistency I found setting it up that way, but it also tells me that it’s doing its job properly for when the content is being played.
@Vic Vic I haven’t experienced a noise with either the 5050 or 5040, so maybe it’s your specific unit? If SDE is an issue, I would actually adjust the focus to be just out of focus enough to make it not noticeable. You’d basically be making each pixel slightly bigger to fill in that gap between pixels. The image may be a bit softer, but that also may not be a bad thing since SDE is (kind of) a result of the image being too sharp. If you move back far enough that SDE isn’t an issue, then you lose clarity based on distance from the screen because your eye can’t resolve each pixel. So instead of losing clarity by moving farther back, lose clarity by blurring the image just a bit. I am in a pitch black light controlled room in our basement. I haven’t noticed any fluctuations with black bars in 2:35:1 movies. I was watching something one day and thought “this projector is plenty bright, but I wish the blacks were blacker”. And then it occurred to me that the brightness of the lamp and opening of the iris affects both the brightest and darkest parts of the image because the LCD panels are just blocking light from the bulb. So, I closed the iris on a 2:35:1 movie until the black bars were nearly black and then opened it until the picture was plenty bright but the bars weren’t washed out. The picture could get brighter, but it’s diminishing returns because of the elevated black level. It could get darker/blacker, but then it’s diminishing returns because of loss of hdr highlights. But, engaging auto iris gives it some room to adjust. I could have left the lamp on eco with an open iris, but then highlights wouldn’t pop as much. We just bought a 77 inch LG C1 Oled. The perfect blacks and excellent highlights on that TV made me revisit the projector and come to these settings. The Oled still wins in terms of contrast and highlights, but the Epson still looks great and the screen is nearly 4x the size. For a cinematic experience of the huge screen, the slight sacrifice in image quality is worth it. Besides, the native contrast ratio of the Epson is as good as, if not better than (based on some specs I’ve seen) movie theater projectors, digital or film.
That is correct and exactly why we do not try and calculate ANSI contrast. We use the ANSI pattern only as an indicator as a correct reading would be in a totally blackened room with black clothes and even flat black walls and ceiling so we do try to measure actual ANSI.
Hello! What kind of light meter is that? Can I measure screen gain with it? Im trying to paint a grey screen with 0.4gain but dont know which level of grey would give me that amount of gain
The meter is a LX1330B and is probably not suited to measuring screen gain although it would give you a rough idea perhaps. Ther is no brand name on it and was passed down so no way to find out. A .4 is very extreme not sure you would really want to go that low, however you could get grey paint chips at your local paint store and test it. Just make sure it is very flat or matt finish or you will get glare and reflections.
Ted Bollinger I have a 1100 lumen projector and ambient light performance is more important to me than size. Im willing to go down to around 75-85” yielding around 23 ft/lamberts
You may be interested in our next video, which is being edited right now. It compares the JVC DLA-NX7 with the latest firmware update and is calibrated by Kris Deering, side-by-side with the Theo-Z65 Lite. Kris Deering is also in the video with his own comments.
My only issue with JVC is that they show less details in dark scenes. Its so dark that many details dissapear compared to other projectors were you can see in the dark parts whats hidden. 24:48 You can't really see her clothing and details on JVC 4:50 The rob look how cool it looks on Theo 65, dark and shines. While on JVC its plain and almost not visible.
@@tedbollinger3306 That is disappointing as it looks like a beautiful picture. I have an older HD8600 with a 6X color wheel that only rarely bothers me so that's why I was curious.
Thanks for the excellent comparison. I find it interesting that the 6050UB has such clear screen door effect in your video, but I don't see anything like that on mine.
So the screen door effect is all about the viewing distance. At HD viewing distances of 3-5 times the screen height only some people can see it. At 4K viewing distance of 1.5 to 2 times the height most people can see it. For comparison purposes and to see the up close differences we usually show detail differences at more like .3 to .5 the screen height. If you get close to your screen you should have no problem seeing the differences and if not your projector is not focused properly since the Epson uses a 1080P chips with shifting.
@@bearlycamping is that in a dedicated light-controlled room? Have you owned a screen of that size before? It's going to be HUGE from only 12ft away. I wouldn't go larger than 120" personally.
@@aaromon43 that's WAY beyond THX and SMPTE recommended sizes. At 12ft THX recommendation is 107" diagonal with 16:9 screen and even that is pretty large at that distance. I guess to each their own.
Complete BS. They are half that and you can replace them even cheaper from avsforum so stop spreading fanboy misinformation just because the jvc schooled your Epson toy projector
The last on the optoma looks significant. Is it noticable with speech and lip sink? Is there a way to also delay audio to match in some av receivers? Thx
Yes, most receivers do have an audio timing adjustment, however we are talking about a delay in the 65 -85 ms range and that is very difficult to even notice with lip sink for most people even without any audio compensation.
Great suggestion, unfortunately we do not currently have a VPLVW695ES, however, we can tell you based on our comparisons with the 295ES the JVC still has the best blacks and wider color gamut with the Sony at about 62% of P3 and the JVC at 97%. The Sony on the other hand is a more compact and quieter projector and has IMAX Enhanced which the JVC does not, tough choice.
That all depends on many factors, your budget, sensitivity to RBE, the type and size of environment, need for lens memory, wanting the very best in black level performance, screen type, lack of maintenance and cost with laser or widest color gamut. Best way is to see and compare and you are always welcome to come and see here. We will have a nationally recognized calibrator and public invited to our next comparison.
No, the iris was turned off in the JVC and Epson as mentioned in the video due to the JVC rep recommendations (JVC's change white balance with iris on) and the Epson rep recommendation (eliminates bounce and iris is very loud).
I appreciate the comparisons, but we need to keep in mind the video is somewhat misleading. The camera is constantly adapting to what it sees and adjusts for the best result. It is somewhat like what the eye and mind do to adapt to lighting conditions. Also, is the exposure of the camera center weighted? So if the projectors were switched around, say, the JVC in the center - would the Epson still look as good? Like they suggest, it is best to see them in person.
Considering that the JVC is the worst of the three on most things, and the Theo is their own projector and any bias is likely towards it.... I'm not convinced that the order makes much difference. Jvc is just way over priced!
Common Patrick, there is a $4000 difference between the Epson and the JVC projectors and $5,200 between the Epson 5050, which is basically the 6050 but sold through retail.
Actually, the video is the opposite of misleading, we are ultra ultra conservative in what we publish. We sell the JVC and Epson and they each have their own advantages and disadvantages. The camera exposure is set for each scene and we do all that is possible to capture as close as possible to what we see in person. Keep in mind we are a retail showroom and our local customers come here to see what they have seen in the videos. We leave a lot of scenes out and will not use any that do nor reflect what you see in person. We see a lot of comments think there is a clear winner..there is not they are all amazing and depending on your application and budget we feel one of the top 8 4K projectors will fill your needs. www.tvspecialists.com/projector-comparison-challenge/
Why did you compare black levels with a near-black fill? Previously, they did it differently - black fill, then black with a white frame. Now it’s not clear, even the difference between LСOS and 3LСD is not clear. I was going to switch from 6050 to n5 for the black level, now now in thought ...
The near black levels are about the only level you can detect some differences as above 10% they all have very respectable and state of the art contrast ratios. The black frame with white frame is not an HDR signal and does show almost the same results...The lamp projectors dim to get better blacks and do have slightly better blacks but the white frame is also not as bright so it is always a trade off..better detail in blacks or better blacks-it's an on-going debate.
We appreciate your opinion but so much of that depends on if the source material is actually mastered from 4K original sources or just up-converted as so many so called 4K UHD movies are. It also depends on your viewing distance and eye perception. Calibration will help the color accuracy but "4K enhanced" (4 million pixels) is simply not the same as 8 million pixels. If you are further back than 2.5 times the image height, then yes the higher detail advantage of the JVC and Theo will begin to diminish.
Very different projectors, one is DLP and one is 3-LCD. Epson is better blacks from what we have seen at CEDIA, however, the JVC is higher resolution over 8 million pixels vs 4 million and the JVC is laser so zero maintenance and no lamps to buy or replace. If in controlled light room and viewing distance is 3 to 5 times screen height Epson may be best. In multi purpose room with close (1.5 -3 x height) and some lights on JVC may be best. It all depends on your unique situation.
Very good question, the moire is mostly the lower resolution and the camera seeing the stair stepping in the Epson. At 4K viewing distances (1.5 X image height) it is visible as lower resolution and some pixelation and not so much as moire. At HD Viewing distances (3-4 X image height) it is not really detectable. So it really depends on your viewing distance and desire for image smoothness if the Epson is a good option for you.
Most ppl here will prefer the Epson because they can't afford the JVC. It is cheaper, and a lot brighter which looks impressive to the amateur eye, but the loss of details is so big....I am not talking about pixels, which the Epson has because it's not a native 4k pj, but wherever there is a bright scene with lights or explosion, all you see is plain white with no limitation and details inside. I can't watch stuff like that guys. Now, if you want to have a pj playing 15 hours a day in the patio , watch RUclips vids, browse websites, watch movies all around, the Epson or even the optoma uhd60 at 2000$ will do the job. Sony and JVC make the best serious projectors today. But again it depends what you want in life.
How bout benq w11000
My only issue with JVC is that they show less details in dark scenes. Its so dark that many details dissapear compared to other projectors were you can see in the dark parts whats hidden.
24:48 You can't really see her clothing and details on JVC
4:50 The rob look how cool it looks on Theo 65, dark and shines. While on JVC its plain and almost not visible.
I judge projectors at my preferred viewing distance, For me that is ( 16:9, 104" at 9ft) and (2.35, 128" at 9ft) No pixel peeping close to the screen.
That has to do with re-adjusting the "HDR Slider" on Epson...then youll probably be fine! Sony isn't recommended since they got a lot of technical issues (panel degradation, colour,- and gammadrift, "blue" black levels..)
I think EPSON 6050UB is the best value for all. JVC prices is crazy 2000 priced for $7999 and the 3000 $17999 is this normal absolutely NO. great video thanks
Epson is the clear winner. JVC is way overrated. Their so called best in the business Black Level smothers detail.
A fantastic and professional video.
Ranking from my eyes:
1. Theo
2. Epson
3.JVC
What an amazing analysis. Well done. This must have been difficult to setup. Subscribed
At present, I have a 200 inch white screen in a dark room. I have used Benq 1080P W3000 for 3 years and loved the results. Now I'm looking to upgrade to 4K. I'm confused should I choose Epson 6050 UB or JVC NX7. The only point of concern stopping me from buying JVC is 1800-2000 lumens where Epson 6050 has 2600 lumens. I've heard for screens as large as 200 inches, a brighter projector is much better. Please help what should I choose?
JVC:Most likely will be too dull/dark on 200". Try 6050 oder the new ls12000 from Epson 🎬🍿
Jvc is waaaaaaaay over priced big time!!!! Expecially after seeing this!!!!!
Spoken as someone who has never seen a jvc in the right setup..those are toys compared to what the jvc can do. This sad video is terrible and misleading
@@shaolin95 I have seen it, JVC likes to screw people that are naive out of their money..but then again, there is a sucker born every minute! lmao
TV Specialist. Please A/B JVC N7 versus N9 thanks/Dankeschön, cheers from Germany
This is a terrible comparison. If you don't understand how you horrible setup is affecting the much better jvc contrast then I have no idea why you guys are trying to teach people.
Please view the comparison that was attended by and commented by a professional highly respected calibrator, Kris Deering. ruclips.net/video/rjTHbDLsJow/видео.html
troooolllll
@@sludgetanker6267 loser .
Glad I watched your video. I wish you would have included lag times for each.
I can't believe it took me so long to find this, I own a 5050UB basically the 6050UB. Pretty much makes the 5050UB far and away the best bang for buck projector out there, its almost as good as a projector 3 times it's price tag.
@@shaolin95 He didn't say it was the best ever, just the best bang for buck, which it probably is.
@@shaolin95 Trolly
@@GuitarGuy5000000000 he clearly said " its almost as good as a projector 3 times it's price tag." that is very different from best bang for buck
( EPSON IS THE WINNER )👍
BRIGHTEST COLOURFUL EVEN LOOKS SHARPER IN SOME SCENE THAN NATIVE 4K .
IMAGINE WHAT NATIVE EPSON GOING TO LOOK LIKE ,
THIS IS ONLY HALF OF THE PIXELS THAN OTHER 2 PROJECTORS ...
Winner???LoL...that what you call sharpness is simply the horrible acreendoor effect. With the jvc you can get super close and not see the pixel structure. With the EPSON you have to sit back to avoid seeing it. Brightest uncalibrated which means crap. The JVC is a REAL projector. The EPSON is a toy in comparison. Sorry to burst your bubble ..
@@shaolin95 Sounds like someone bought a JVC and is having buyers remorse. JVC and Sony are bother overpriced in the LCD market. Input lag is also dramatically less on the Epson. Epson is by far the winner if you consider everything.
I’ve had the Epson and Have the JVC. JVC by far better picture. If you have a dedicated room then go JVC. If you need brightness due to being in a non dedicated room go Epson. Simple as that. The Epson a great bang for buck. The JVC is the superior projector though.
@@shaolin95 Trolling
@@shaolin95 You must be a 3 year old. JVC is for suckers that like throwing money away. lmao! Nothing but Over priced garbage
Awesome video! Are you guys going to compare the JVC NX5/7to the Sony 295/695?
We'll put that on the list, great idea, thanks for watching.
Do you can share tour calibration settings of Epson 6050UB? Thanks for compartieron video.
As a user that switched from a Sony VPL 295 (panel degredation) 'back' to a UB6050: Sharpness and details are good on the Epson and there is much more options to 'forge' the picture to your liking. Depending on your very machine (both Sony and Epson) there are better or worse lenses (serial spread) resulting in good or not so good clarity/sharpness. There are very few times i think i noticed more details on the Sony. More brightness on the Epson. Sony is quieter considering fan noise and native 4K (no shifting sounds). Black level: Not happy with UB6050. Other than the video suggests the black floors of UB6050 aren't good (my opinion) and not as black as they look in the video. Saw JVC X5900 (40000:1) and it wasn't a 'wow factor' on blacks either, just little difference. That's bit better on the JVC NX7 i think.
Ths video really needs to be repeated with all the JVC firmwareupdates ASAP.
Unfortunately getting projectors right now is next to impossible, due to Covid, Let alone being able to get them all at the same time. Not to mention and The UHZ-65 was discontinued last year, so that isn't possible.
Epson looks the best to me.😁👍👍👍
let's not exagerate, in real life, if you have a proper pitch black room NX7 is the king
@@georgepopescu1327 NX7 is $9000 in overpriced garbage! Epson for the win!
Awesome TVpro, thank you.
Another random 5050 and 6050 comment is that they have released a new fimrware that supposedly increases the pixel shift to 3 times for 24p content. It would be interesting to see a comparison of that.
True!
JVC is overpriced with underwhelming results!
Epson looks more natural and bright.😁👍
What 6050 manages to pull out for it's price is insane. Native 4K absence might be future downer and maybe the judder, but other than that given the price, nothing.
The Epson is, by FAR, the best looking one. I would never ever take the JVC over the Epson. JVC is so overrated.
I agree. I've own both JVC and Epson projectors. Installers, calibrators, authorized resellers do overate JVC big time.
Lol Epson may look the brightest, but in person you can clearly tell the difference. I’ve had the Epson, and have the JVC. Different level of picture on the JVC. You keep on doing you though man.
@@jakeriley2830 I have also but not worth $9000 compared to $3000!
this test is wrong, or "not fair" because the camera (our point of view) is right in the middle, which means we are viewing the left and right image of those projectors off centered, which means that the color and texts will look faded, either to dark, grainy, washed out, or out of focus. it be like trying to watch tv from the side, , the image is gonna look diff, than if you were watching it front and centered. we dont know if he did all 3 test from the center, and imported into 1 video. or if we are viewing all 3 videos at the same time, hope someone knows what i'm talking about. Either way, i think the middle1 and right 1 have better image, the left1 has better color and shading, the middle1 has better whites, and the right1, just seems normal. each of em have their goods and cons tho.
We understand what you are saying, however, unless we see the difference in person we do not publish it. The screen is a Stewart Stuiotek 130 Reference screen and has very little directionality to it. What we publish in the video is as close to what we saw in person as we can do. We sell all three of these projectors and as you can see from the comments there are fans and customers of all three and we try to be as fair as possible but we knew that some would not like the results hence the invite to come see it live if they are in the market for one of the top 8 4K projectors under $10k. www.tvspecialists.com/projector-comparison-challenge/
Would like to see you guys do a "vs" between the 3 following projectors . The BenQ W5700/5550 vs BenQ W2700/HT3550 vs Epson TH-TW9400/6050UB. Or just between the BenQ W5700/5550 and the Epson TW9400/6050UB - I just thought it would be fun to have the BenQ W2700/HT3550 in the mix as a very cheap alternative :)
Not to mention that the JVC is just overpiced not overperforming 👍
Watching at the ANSI contrast test, for example Epson 26.5 / 0.56 = 47.32 contrast ratio. How come in reviews of many projectors generally ANSI contrast is in a range of 200-350 in the same test?
For me, contrast is king, so JVC is king. Best blacks is all you really need to know.
Except the NX7 has way worse blacks than their previous projectors, I upgraded only to take it back and go back to my old JVC. With thepoor blacks on the NX5 and NX7 you may as well save money and get the Epson, particularly if you aren't in a room with black ceilings and walls. The chromatic aberration on the close-up of the people on the stairs (look at the white shirts) was also pretty awful.
Good to hear. Especially since I'm sticking with my jvc x750.
JVC NX7 is WAAAAAY overpriced at $9000 and the Epson is ONLY $3000. Epson for the win!..JVC looks like a $9000 lemon compared to the much cheaper Epson. Talk about highway robbery!
At 8:40 you say that the room is not completely dark but the test is fair because all of the projectors are in the same room.
False!
Given that all of the projectors measure a dismal 50-something, it's obvious that the black floor is being set by the stray room light.
Yes, and no. When I say that the room is not completely dark, w are refering to the fact that the walls and ceiling are not black, or say black velvet. So you are correct, the black floor is somewhat dependent on how much light (stray light) the projector is outputting when it is supposed to be doing black. There are no other lights on in the room. However it is fair, because the only stray light is coming from the projector being measured. Any light that is coming out of the projector is hitting the screen, and some of that then reflects off walls and ceiling back onto the screen. So the better the black levels the projector can produce, the lower the measurement will be. All projectors are measured the same.
@@mikebpiper
> There are no other lights on in the room. However it is fair, because the only stray light is coming from the projector being measured.
If that's the case, then yes, it is fair.
Not to be a curmudgeon, but your CR measurements still aren't worth much. [edit: apparently you agree, because they seem to have been edited out since I first posted].
I guess the 50ish values for all the pj's was based on the ANSI and must be due to room reflections or poor measurement technique (maybe too low a level for the meter), as
I'm sure all of those pj's are capable of far more than that and significantly more different than you indicate.
And the JVC will destroy the other two in native (full-on/full-of) CR.
@@noahkatz9616 the numbers measured at 8:40 were whites, not black levels. the black levels were measured after, but were not "50ish values, but rather POINT (.50) ish numbers. I don't know about any editing of numbers, this video is from 2019, and was mainly done by Ted, who has now retired. In any case, I agree, There is no question the JVC will produce better blacks natively. Hope that helps and makes sense.
@@mikebpiper I used the numbers shown at 9:40 to calculate CR; i.e. 26.5/.56 = 47.3
This should have been shot in hdr like the previous video, would have been perfect. Very informative video otherwise thank you.
So confused. JVC has reputation for amazing blacks, and that’s super important to me because I hate watching dark scenes in movies when you can’t tell what’s going on when watching on a subpar tv. But the JVC doesn’t appear better then the Epson here. Why spend way more money for the JVC?
You need to listen to the commentary they are giving. Judging these projectors based off of a video on RUclips played back on your monitor is like judging a subwoofer based off a RUclips video played back on airpods.
CJ Paul yea I bought the JVC and the blacks are indeed amazing. Rivals a really good tv actually. But I have it paired with a SI slate screen in a blacked out theatre room with dark paint on the walls and ceiling giving it the ideal setup to shine
"Congratulations to TV Specialists for the amazing job that they do every time" I'm just amazed that the Epson's performance, which can be bought as a 5050(same specs) for $2700 street price, being
compared to projectors that cost 2 1/2 times as much. Unless you have the money to burn or/and a room with complete light control, the Epson has no competition here. one of the biggest problems the Epson seems to have is resolution and screen door effect, which from a regular viewing distance becomes none existent.
The 5050 is almost the same, but lacks the higher contrast (see specs) and the extra 1 year of warranty , lamp, deluxe ceiling mount, and back cover but is very similar in other specs.
That's true, but keep in mind that there's a huge premium in the market for that "4K" picture, which Epson can't do. There's another great review on this channel of the Epson 5040UB vs Optoma UHD65 and JVC LX-UH1 where they also do some in-depth comparisons and show how this effects more than just resolution.
Don't get me wrong, the Epson is an awesome projector for the price, but if we don't care about the additional resolution, then we can probably find some nice 1080p PJ contenders out there and save an additional few bucks.
@@brois841 1080pj with bt2020 colors and HDR? i don't think so!
@@georgepopescu1327 I guess it depends on what you value more: colors or resolution. My point still stands: Epson is a great PJ, but resolution is a huge up-charge in today's market and the Epson doesn't do 4K.
@@brois841 of course, Epson is the best 1080p projector that you can buy brand new today, the last of his kind but it can do p3 colors and HDR along with a very decent native contrast and decent black levels. Other 1080p projectors that could do this even better are out of the market now (JVC shifters which were arguably better than those native 4k's in terms of native contrast)
WOW. From 26:16 the HD upscaling on the JVC is unbelievably bad! That alone would be a deal-breaker for many, including me.
It’s always fun watching these “pros” trying everything they can to show us how these more expensive projectors are soo good when any normal person looking at these images knows darn well the Epson is the only one worth buying. I’ll stick with my 4010.
Congratulations for the review! can you post your test signals you used please?
Here is the link diversifiedvideosolutions.com/ .
To me LCOS really is the most beautiful technology but the degradation they suffer is the deal-breaker, especially for their price. My Sony VPL-HW50ES lost all its contrast in a few years, the deep blacks turning into boring greys. That degradation is so gradual though that most people probably don't even notice it. I think I'm going to go LCD for the reliability, brightness and input lag.
edit : After doing research and looking at english, french and german threads on the subject, it seems that Sony SXRD projectors are the only ones suffering from the loss of contrast. JVC D-ILA projectors do suffer from a loss in gamma but that can be fixed through calibration. Knowing that I'm getting tempted by the x7900. It also appears that DLP projectors are the most reliable in time, but on the downside they have bad black levels and you have to go laser to get decent brightness without messing with the color wheel.
True but the overall image goes to DLP for sharpness.
The LG hu810p laser projector is about the same as the Optoma but a tab more affordable and the black level is very decent! Jvc is just overpiced and is underwhelming.
@@kman9387 For me black level comes above every other thing. The JVC is the king in that regard.
LOL. The other two that are not JVC are not even real 4K, don’t have native contrast ratio anywhere near the JVC and can’t handle HDR anywhere near JVC’s Frame Adapt HDR Tone Mapping.
@@jaybrookfield6823 😁
I was a bit surprised of the comparison. I had the opportunity to compare the jvc and the epson personally. personally it was very obvious for me, there is almost a small world in between both. the epson shows a bit strange processing in my opinion. 1:1 compared it looks like there is a thin white sleeve on the screen. And its black is more a mix of grey and purple with a black level of 0.35 lumen compared to 0.06 of the jvc. and its super loud with more than 30 db in high lamp mode for hdr. Of course correctly calibrated for such a comparison. I personally think, that epson missed a big chance, stopping their laser projector and not significantly improving the LCD ones somehow. Now they will probably beaten up by the new Benq 5700...
You understand that the Epson is $4000 less than the JVC and the 5050, which is basically the same projector as the 6050 being reviewed here without the extra lamp and mount, retails for $2,700. The Epson did not lose an opportunity, they refined what they have been doing and are now competing against projectors that cost more than twice as much. Which projector do you own right now, if I may ask?
@@TheDancerall I changed after 3 years epson 9300 a year ago to jvc 7900. And the only thing i said was, that theres a huge difference between n7 and 9400 visible in reality, which the comparison does not transport. And that i think, that epson should have improved a lot more on the 9400, what the new benQ 5700 emphasizes on the same price level as the epson. All my personal opinion of course
You guys really do the best reviews. Question - Did the Theo DLP have ANY advantage at all with motion-smear. My dated experience was that LCD and LCOS were slightly behind in this regard. Also, how did the HDR Auto-tone mapping compare between them?
The JVC is a $10,000 projector, of course its going to be better!!
You guys did a amazing job with the added color filter on the Theo-Z65. I have a Mitsubishi WD92840 DLP TV. I calibrated it and it puts up a very good picture. I change out the bulb every year to obtain maximum brightness also while I am at it I vacuum the chassis and clean the lens. Even though it's 1080P it's amazing to watch galaxys and nebula in the bright mode to bring out more color. It's a keeper. But when time comes the Theo-Z65 will be replacing it. By the way I have never seen a rainbow on this tv and no one has ever commented about it. I believe it has a six segment color wheel. Anyway you guys are really good at what you do!
Thank you! Glad you think so!
We look forward to helping you in the future!
If the Epson works on Pixel Shifting to create 4K this would mean you need to compare "moving" images not "still" images to get the best from it. Is this correct? I have watched the Epson in person and it looks amazing. I compared it to the Sony 295es, the Epson looked brighter and just as "natural" as the Sony for half the price. The Epson is $12000 cheaper than the JVC. Is the JVC $12000 better than the Epson 6400?
Epson looks amazing. No one watches movie by pausing and chking for sharpness. It's good for test but not normal day to day use for watching movies TV shows
That Theo is great the color accuracy is amazing I'm a Sony tv guy so color accuracy is my thing
A really in depth view of the differences which is really good to have since all of us don´t have the ability to measure and compare that easily. BUT and here is the but. I would like to have it more clear that one is a native 4k and the other two is pixel shift. I annoys me that it is very hard to find wether a projector is true native 4k or pixel shift. They all advertise them as 4k but once you look closer most of them are pixel shift and that to me is kind of a scam.
Good Feedback, I agree there is a lot of confusion out there, and it is hard sometimes to get a clear answer. Part of the problem is there are different types of pixel shift, some, like the Epson, and earlier JVC projectors didn't do a true 4k, but instead essentially doubled (1920 x 1080) giving you just over 4 million pixels. According to the CTA (Consumers Technology Association), 4K UHD must deliver 8.3 million distinct pixels on the screen, which is four times the resolution of Full HD 1080p. Some projectors, like the Theo-Z65, or Benq 9060HT (and others) do a true 4K, and depending on who you are talking to, (including industry leaders) some do not consider the process used by DLP to be a "pixel shift", or at least do not want to put it into the same category as other pixel shifting technologies, as they are different in the end results and how many pixels are on the screen. Sometimes it is even hard to tell by looking at the spec sheets of a projector as I've seen resolution spec's not be very clear about what the native resolution is. In my opinion, really what matters most at the end of the day, is what it looks like on the screen, and what your eyes tell you.
For additional info see the following:
www.soundandvision.com/content/dlps-4k-really-4k
www.projectorcentral.com/4k-projectors-defined.htm
www.benq.com/en-us/knowledge-center/knowledge/true-4k-uhd-home-projector.html
www.ti.com/dlp-chip/display-and-projection/4k-ultra-high-definition-display.html
Instead of the Theo, the UHD 65 would have been a better projector to compare, given that it has the same sharpness and detail as the Theo, but better blacks...
Actually, you might want to consider this comparison and blog post (ruclips.net/video/q4GG9RdxYrA/видео.html & www.tvsproslc.com/blog/optoma-uhd65-vs-uhz65-laser-projector-comparison/ ) where the UHZ65 "does have the edge" with best contrast and blacks. Then, consider that we did a comparison with the UHZ65 vs the Theo and the Theo had even better blacks than the original UHZ65.
" dlp gives you the best contrast out of all projectors ..well I've found ..it also gives you a more (dlp)life like look ! Than LCD ..(zero- motion blur) ..And this is on a budget too!
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Was the 4k enchancement turned on for 6050?
In a light controlled room, calibrated, spending time watching movies nearly all of us would choose the JVC. I've owned many projectors and the JVC NX7 (with anamorphic lens) is the best projected image I've ever seen. The HDR tone-mapping inside of the JVC is to die for... Of course you could always get an external processor, but for being built into the projector there is NOTHING on the market today that will translate a 4K HDR image onto the screen like the JVC. (that feature wasn't in the JVC when this video was produced, BTW) The Theo/Optoma is impressive, though the rainbow effect might get'cha!
My next projector will be a laser (Sony or JVC next gen).
The LG hu810p has great HDR and no rainbow effect. And it's laser light source with dynamic tone mapping.
This was a fantastic presentation, thank you!
I would think you should have compared the JVC NX5/RS1000 to the other two projectors, which is in the same price category.
Unfortunately the NX5 does not have a wide color gamut, these all have at least 70 percent of BT2020 where a normal projector had about 54-57 percent of BT2020. We wanted to compare the projectors that could show more of the HDR color and dynamic range.
Both of the cheaper projectors do well against the MUCH higher priced NX7 and often beat it... The NX5 is alas outclassed here!
The JVC can be had for $3700 now, and with all of the firmware updates I'm wondering which PJ is the best value currently?
which store?
@@frederickdaria1527 I would check with your local video store or authorized retailer. It's actually $3500 at best buy.. I'm sorry it'd actually the Jvc LC-NZ3B at that price.
@@BruhTech i see it at 9k on best buy ;)
@@frederickdaria1527 sorry lol.. There was another comparison video.. I got them mixed up
You got me really excited there for a while hhahha ;)
You should compare the Epson 6050ub vs JVC 790R since they're in the same price range
Great idea, except unfortunately JVC has discontinued the 790R in this country but the JVC has better blacks and a much smoother image than the Epson.
@@tedbollinger3306 well interesting I can still buy the 790R new for $3999 at Best Buy...
Yes, some dealers still have them but JVC is out and they are discontinued.
@@tedbollinger3306 wrong the 790r is not discontinued and easily outclasses the EPSON
@@shaolin95 Trolly
Don't forget the Rainbow effect with the Theo... Also realistically, no one is going to view the images at 2 feet. With a few minor tweaks, the 6050UB has the best bang for the buck.
I watched the normal Optoma UHZ65 in a dark room at a cinemaconference, the rainbow effect in the white scenes of the movie Passenger were so horrible it made me nauseous. I wonder why no one talks about it in the video.
It's talked about in our latest comparison and blog post:
www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dla-nx7-vs-tvs-pro-theo-z65-with-kris-deering-part-i/
Some people don't see it all, but there are a lot that do and it really bothers them. It's definitely something someone should see and/or consider when looking at these projectors.
I'm one of those that is sensitive to RBE and i tought that with years of evolution in technology it would be no issue anymore. Went to a local shop and saw the Optoma UHD65 and as soon the movie start Rainbow effect kicked in....DLP not an option for me still.
@@MMJAZZ1977 I thought that aswell but there is hope. There is this dlp laser projector with 3 chips red, green and blue. Thought it was a model from acer but I forgot its name
You can overcome this by turning down the brillliant color from 10 out of box to 7 or lower. Fixes it. Pure color should be set to 1. :)
Thank you for your time in producing this informative comparison. I will certainly visit you on my next trip to Salt Lake!
Right now we're offering to help reimburse travel if you purchase one of the top 8 4K HDR projectors. If you're interested, check it out here: www.tvspecialists.com/projector-comparison-challenge/
@@Tvspecialists which projector do you recommend? Cause I want a good project that I can watch good movies with my family
@@Quay19 It really depends on your budget, your environment, and what features/preferences you have. There is no such thing as 'best projector' for every situation because every one is so different.
JVC-NX5 or Optoma UHZ65 or LG HU85LA?
I’m now down to these three for my theatre room with 100% light control. Looking for great blacks, vibrant colors, and also want to play my PS4 on it from time to time.
All Good options, really depends on personal preference, lighting conditions, as well as a few other things to take into consideration. I'd recommend calling in if you want to discus further and speak to a specialists here at TVS Pro.
that LG has no place in a home cinema, it's a DLP with very poor native contrast and horrible blacks. Also the fact that is a short throw it's not an advantage at all since a lot of the light will bounce on your ceiling instead of bouncing back to you (how a normal projector work). This will couse your ceilling to illuminate the room thus lowering your contrast even more, unless you have black velvet on your ceiling. Also keep in mind that the regular UHZ65 is nothing like this modified one you see in this video so don't expect those good blacks from it couse it won't have but still it's way better than that LG UST or any other DLP UST on the market.
George Popescu soooo NX5 definitely then? Not spending more than $5k and want the best under that price for a true dedicated theatre room. Crisp detailed blacks are always important to me. Also looking at the Epson 6050ub now 😳
@@James-xg5rh good luck getting an NX5 under $5K. I wanted one so bad but my max price point was $5K
Jake Wynne I actually ended up with the NX5. I got a floor model from local dealer. They put a Brand new bulb put in for me. Got it under $5k that way. It’s beautiful by the way. The blacks are gorgeous (of course you only will see that if you have a true dedicated theatre room with controlled lighting). The picture quality is so good it looks like a TV. Highly recommended!
Coming from an HW40ES will the Epson look much better? Looking to keep or improve black levels, have good motion (sensitive to this) and more detail retrieval on UHD streaming/disc content. Thanks great thorough reviews:)
Optoma knows their stuff, just look they made the size big side to side instead of front and back
Sony VPL 4k says "Hi little dudes... whats cooking?"
Ridiculous. Pointing in the dark and walking around in the dark, for g sake use a pointer...
23 and 31 are to low for HDR. So basically you are trading pixels for light. Bottom line for HDR you need brightness. It is why their is almost no available consumer Projectors that do Dolby Vision.
My friend has a Sony Native 4K but he has a white room and even with lights completely off that projector looks good but not as good as my 4040 in my home theater that has a dark walls and ceiling. Up close it is clear Sony is more detailed but at regular viewing distance the 4040 looks better. If he had a proper room the Sony would kick my 4040's ass. Bottom line just realize native 4K projectors need more light pushed through the bigger chip. The room and screen are big factors. The epson 6050 and 5050 fixed a big issue the 5040 and 6040 had and my 4040 has when it comes to gaming, The chip could not puch 4k 60fps HDR. You can only SDR at 60fps. At 24ps it is fine. Unless something changes the 6050 will be my next projector.
Epson's ProCinema 6050 definitely made some big improvements over the 5040/6040, and is a great projector.
UHZ 65 Optoma wins ! Best colors, HDR mutch more bright
it's a modified version of the UHZ65, the original one has poor color accuracy in p3 and bt 2020
George is correct. We're actually showing our own modified Theo-Z65 (which carries the same Optoma UHZ65 warranty and has been approved by them). More information is in the link in the description.
@@Tvspecialists Hi, are your modificantions done in software and configuration? Or do they include changes to the hardware? I am asking because i really love this projector and wan't 3D Blueray support, but in my country i only have access to the UHZ65. I your modifications are software and configuration based i imagine you could sell them to a UHZ65 owner.
@@TheDepopulationBomb if they could achive those things only by software, the Optoma would have released a firmware update and thus making their projector much more competitive. It is obvious that they made hardware changes.
Visually it doesn’t work. Can’t read the on screen data or your equipment. You rush and are more concerned with data vs appreciation by the viewer. Anyway I guess there’s some take aways if we can keep up.
You may want to read the blog post that is posted in the description. There's much more information and close-ups of some of the pictures, etc.
Where I live the prices for these projectors are:
1) JVC NX7 8700 $
2) UHZ 65 (regular, not yours) 5500 $
3) TW9400 (is the same as Ub6050 but no wifi) 2400 $
With those prices in mind I think I will go for Epson. What do you think? :))
The Epson is a great projector, as long as you watch far enough back that the "screen door effect" (fill factor lines) are not visible that could be a great choice if less costly than the above in your area.
@@Tvspecialists 120 inch screen diagonal and 10 ft watching distance . I don't know, I think I have to see it before buying because I won't stand screen door effect. It's horrible.
@@georgepopescu1327 With the Epson, I see no screen door effect at all from a normal viewing distance. And I`ve never heard of anyone who has.
Epson is the best choice by far in terms of price/performance. The NX7 is just not bright enough, unless you have a perfectly blacked out and dedicated home cinema room. The UHZ is nice but too pricey compared to the Epson. And not as bright. For most, Epson is the way to go, especially considering the Epson replacement lamps are very cheap.
@@zaphod2 can you confirm that if you replicate my viewing distance/diagonal ratio you won't see any screen door? My viewing distance=screen diagonal
Ted, I was curious as to what lamp mode the JVC was in when measuring 28.9 foot candles, low or high? Also, was the manual iris closed any or was 28.9 the peak with the iris completely open? thanks again
The JVC iris was fully open and the lamp was in high mode. With the new 3.10 JVC firmware the image is much brighter and you will see this calibrated by Kris Deering and compared to the new Theo-Z65 Lite in our next video.
@@tedbollinger3306 Thank you
My only issue with JVC is that they show less details in dark scenes. Its so dark that many details dissapear compared to other projectors were you can see in the dark parts whats hidden.
24:48 You can't really see her clothing and details on JVC
4:50 The rob look how cool it looks on Theo 65, dark and shines. While on JVC its plain and almost not visible.
Can someone please give more input about this?
I feel like JVC in many scenes losses details in black areas because its just darker and nothing is shown.
Yes, that has to do with the way we do the tone mapping in the Theo so that the mid tones are favored since that is where our eye seems to go and we judge a scene by.
Crazy, on some scenes I can see the screen door effect of the Epson on my watching on my 65" oled from 7-8 ft away. Theoretically, I would see the pixels sitting 12 ft away using the Epson on a 135" screen 🤔
No your calculations are way off. You won't see Epson screen door effect unless you standing a few feet away from it.
you will probably see pixels on static images, like the menu of some players/consoles but not when playing a movie
@@georgepopescu1327 I have the Epson and a 142" screen yes If you walk up 3 feet away you can see pixel other than you can't see pixels in normal viewing distances.
I used to have a 5010ub, you could definitely see the screen door effect from 10 feet away for a 100 inch screen. Once i switched to my first 1080p JVC, the screen door effect was nearly invisible because LCOS has such small distance between pixels. Its not just about resolution. A 70+ 1080p LCD TV was unwatchable in comparaison.
@@godamongmen2 probably you have very good eyes couse I can't see pixels from 10 feet on 120 inch screen with UB6050
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JVC looks so Dark all the time ? I vote Theo Z65
I would like to add the Z65 has a crisper picture. When looking at the tops of the buildings the contrast just leaps out of the screen also the level of detail in the darker areas is much better than the other two.
We need a JVC NX5/RS1000 put up against a compeditor.
These are actually the same projector. The only difference is the distribution channel they are available from.
@@Tvspecialists I know I'm saying do a comparison with it, maybe against the sony 295 ...
@@NYCLJ34 Good suggestion, we may do that in the future!
@@Tvspecialists NX5 vs NX7 would help a lot of people who are trying to decide between the two if the extra 2k is worth it for the NX7.
@@NYCLJ34 Great suggestion, if we can get both here at the same time we will for sure do that one. The difference, of course, is the wide color gamut and the better blacks, the real value of that difference will be a very individual decision, but the NX-7 is definitely an improvement.
Nice job guys. I have a 10 year old JVC dla-rs1 which is not nearly as bright as any of these but now I wonder if I get the epson 4K will I see a screen door effect I didn't see on my JVC
It will depend on your viewing distance. At 1.5 to 2 times your screen height (ideal 4K viewing distance), yes, you will see the screen door effect, however, at 3 to 5 times the viewing height (HD viewing distance) most people will not, or at least it will not bother most of them.
Optoma always has had a history of being very colorful with red push..they use to say back in the CRT days - better Red than Dead (to blue)
How old are u, 63?
I own a 5050ub (same as the 6050ub) after upgrading from a 5040ub. I was curious to see how the Epson compared to the JVC.
I was surprised that screen door effect was an issue on the Epson because with the 4k pixel shifting, there is no screen door. The Epson is a 1080p projector that can pixel shift to display a close to 4k image. It seems like the "4k detail and resolution" was not a fair comparison because the Epson's pixel shift of its 1080p chip was not enabled. That also would have solved the moire effect that was present during the whole video.
@Vic Vic I’m about 3 meters away from a 135 inch screen. I can’t see any video noise caused by the 4k enhancement. To me, it fills in the space in the screen door and gives a more film-like picture.
Unless you mean audible noise? I haven’t noticed any audible noise caused by the pixel shifter.
As for the 5040 vs 5050, the final image quality is about the same, but it took much more effort to dial it in on the 5040. The bright hdr setting clipped too much highlight detail, so I had to create a custom gamma curve (which took hours to get right) on the darker hdr mode to bring up the overall brightness while preserving highlight detail. That also meant I had to switch picture modes (because that gamma curve also affected SDR) every time I’d switch between SDR and hdr.
The 5050 has an HDR slider that accomplishes the same thing as my gamma curve. Between that and supporting 4k60 in HDR, the 5050 is a win, but besides those two things, they’re basically the same.
I ran both on the normal lamp mode and never had an issue with fan noise. High power does have fan noise though on both projectors. I found that normal lamp mode with a slightly closed iris with auto iris enabled will keep the blacks looking good in dark scenes but give it some headroom to open up more for highlights. During end movie credits when names are static on the screen (not scrolling), a short name will keep the iris a bit closed so the black will be pretty dark, but a long name will cause the iris to open and make the name quite bright. That’s the only inconsistency I found setting it up that way, but it also tells me that it’s doing its job properly for when the content is being played.
@Vic Vic I haven’t experienced a noise with either the 5050 or 5040, so maybe it’s your specific unit?
If SDE is an issue, I would actually adjust the focus to be just out of focus enough to make it not noticeable. You’d basically be making each pixel slightly bigger to fill in that gap between pixels. The image may be a bit softer, but that also may not be a bad thing since SDE is (kind of) a result of the image being too sharp. If you move back far enough that SDE isn’t an issue, then you lose clarity based on distance from the screen because your eye can’t resolve each pixel. So instead of losing clarity by moving farther back, lose clarity by blurring the image just a bit.
I am in a pitch black light controlled room in our basement. I haven’t noticed any fluctuations with black bars in 2:35:1 movies.
I was watching something one day and thought “this projector is plenty bright, but I wish the blacks were blacker”. And then it occurred to me that the brightness of the lamp and opening of the iris affects both the brightest and darkest parts of the image because the LCD panels are just blocking light from the bulb. So, I closed the iris on a 2:35:1 movie until the black bars were nearly black and then opened it until the picture was plenty bright but the bars weren’t washed out. The picture could get brighter, but it’s diminishing returns because of the elevated black level. It could get darker/blacker, but then it’s diminishing returns because of loss of hdr highlights. But, engaging auto iris gives it some room to adjust. I could have left the lamp on eco with an open iris, but then highlights wouldn’t pop as much.
We just bought a 77 inch LG C1 Oled. The perfect blacks and excellent highlights on that TV made me revisit the projector and come to these settings. The Oled still wins in terms of contrast and highlights, but the Epson still looks great and the screen is nearly 4x the size. For a cinematic experience of the huge screen, the slight sacrifice in image quality is worth it. Besides, the native contrast ratio of the Epson is as good as, if not better than (based on some specs I’ve seen) movie theater projectors, digital or film.
@Vic Vic it sounds like building a hush box for your projector would solve all of your issues.
Black level looked best on Epson.
im lowe!! jvc
measuring a contrast ratio in a room that is not fully black benefits the projector with the lowest ANSI contrast.
That is correct and exactly why we do not try and calculate ANSI contrast. We use the ANSI pattern only as an indicator as a correct reading would be in a totally blackened room with black clothes and even flat black walls and ceiling so we do try to measure actual ANSI.
Benq😢😢😢😢
Epson definitely has the best colors, clean and bright, at least in this video. Optoma looks muddy and unnatural.
Hello! What kind of light meter is that? Can I measure screen gain with it?
Im trying to paint a grey screen with 0.4gain but dont know which level of grey would give me that amount of gain
The meter is a LX1330B and is probably not suited to measuring screen gain although it would give you a rough idea perhaps. Ther is no brand name on it and was passed down so no way to find out. A .4 is very extreme not sure you would really want to go that low, however you could get grey paint chips at your local paint store and test it. Just make sure it is very flat or matt finish or you will get glare and reflections.
Ted Bollinger I have a 1100 lumen projector and ambient light performance is more important to me than size. Im willing to go down to around 75-85” yielding around 23 ft/lamberts
@@fahadali287 its not worth to get a pj for 75 inch, just buy a TV!
What you recommend for outdoor projector I have 200 inch screen
LG HU810P
JVC is a league above those other two. Not to mention this review was done BEFORE JVC released their firmware update
You may be interested in our next video, which is being edited right now. It compares the JVC DLA-NX7 with the latest firmware update and is calibrated by Kris Deering, side-by-side with the Theo-Z65 Lite. Kris Deering is also in the video with his own comments.
My only issue with JVC is that they show less details in dark scenes. Its so dark that many details dissapear compared to other projectors were you can see in the dark parts whats hidden.
24:48 You can't really see her clothing and details on JVC
4:50 The rob look how cool it looks on Theo 65, dark and shines. While on JVC its plain and almost not visible.
@@lafielanarchy this is becouse of the camera, in real life it's other way around
No, it isn't. The Epson looks WAY better than the JVC. Are you blind??
@@lafielanarchy That's because the greyscale on JVC sucks. Epson is far better.
What is the speed of the color wheel in the Optoma? I am RBE sensitive.
The Theo is not recommended to those that are RBE sensitive.
@@tedbollinger3306 That is disappointing as it looks like a beautiful picture. I have an older HD8600 with a 6X color wheel that only rarely bothers me so that's why I was curious.
Thanks for the excellent comparison. I find it interesting that the 6050UB has such clear screen door effect in your video, but I don't see anything like that on mine.
So the screen door effect is all about the viewing distance. At HD viewing distances of 3-5 times the screen height only some people can see it. At 4K viewing distance of 1.5 to 2 times the height most people can see it. For comparison purposes and to see the up close differences we usually show detail differences at more like .3 to .5 the screen height. If you get close to your screen you should have no problem seeing the differences and if not your projector is not focused properly since the Epson uses a 1080P chips with shifting.
How far away are you sitting and how big is your screen? Thinking of getting the 6050 with 135" screen sitting 12 ft away
@@bearlycamping is that in a dedicated light-controlled room? Have you owned a screen of that size before? It's going to be HUGE from only 12ft away. I wouldn't go larger than 120" personally.
@@brois841 i'm 12' from 157", absolutely love it.
@@aaromon43 that's WAY beyond THX and SMPTE recommended sizes. At 12ft THX recommendation is 107" diagonal with 16:9 screen and even that is pretty large at that distance. I guess to each their own.
Sony 270 better than all them
Can you post a link for the HDR10 calibration disc please?
Here you go diversifiedvideosolutions.com/ .
@@Tvspecialists Where can I get the test pattern you used near the end for HD up-scaling with the spiral in the center?
Also, the JVC bulbs are like $800, whereas you can get an OEM Epson bulb on eBay for $120. Seriously, screw JVC.
Complete BS. They are half that and you can replace them even cheaper from avsforum so stop spreading fanboy misinformation just because the jvc schooled your Epson toy projector
@@shaolin95 Troll la la la la...la la la la merry Christmas troll
The last on the optoma looks significant. Is it noticable with speech and lip sink? Is there a way to also delay audio to match in some av receivers? Thx
Yes, most receivers do have an audio timing adjustment, however we are talking about a delay in the 65 -85 ms range and that is very difficult to even notice with lip sink for most people even without any audio compensation.
@@Tvspecialists thanks! At what amount of delay do you start to notice lip sink or things like sound effects not syncing up? In the 100s of ms?
So 1,000 Ms is 1 second so yes, once you get in the over 100-150 Ms range it can usually be detected.
17:08 Sevilla!! Spain!
I would love to see you guys test the JVC DLA-NX7 vs Sony VLP 695es.
Great suggestion, unfortunately we do not currently have a VPLVW695ES, however, we can tell you based on our comparisons with the 295ES the JVC still has the best blacks and wider color gamut with the Sony at about 62% of P3 and the JVC at 97%. The Sony on the other hand is a more compact and quieter projector and has IMAX Enhanced which the JVC does not, tough choice.
Ted Bollinger is the difference in price worth the features?
That all depends on many factors, your budget, sensitivity to RBE, the type and size of environment, need for lens memory, wanting the very best in black level performance, screen type, lack of maintenance and cost with laser or widest color gamut. Best way is to see and compare and you are always welcome to come and see here. We will have a nationally recognized calibrator and public invited to our next comparison.
Ted Bollinger where are you located?
Iris??
No, the iris was turned off in the JVC and Epson as mentioned in the video due to the JVC rep recommendations (JVC's change white balance with iris on) and the Epson rep recommendation (eliminates bounce and iris is very loud).
Ted Bollinger is that just for comparison or should you leave it off. I have the epson and I think mine is on auto
I appreciate the comparisons, but we need to keep in mind the video is somewhat misleading. The camera is constantly adapting to what it sees and adjusts for the best result. It is somewhat like what the eye and mind do to adapt to lighting conditions. Also, is the exposure of the camera center weighted? So if the projectors were switched around, say, the JVC in the center - would the Epson still look as good? Like they suggest, it is best to see them in person.
Considering that the JVC is the worst of the three on most things, and the Theo is their own projector and any bias is likely towards it.... I'm not convinced that the order makes much difference. Jvc is just way over priced!
Common Patrick, there is a $4000 difference between the Epson and the JVC projectors and $5,200 between the Epson 5050, which is basically the 6050 but sold through retail.
Actually, the video is the opposite of misleading, we are ultra ultra conservative in what we publish. We sell the JVC and Epson and they each have their own advantages and disadvantages. The camera exposure is set for each scene and we do all that is possible to capture as close as possible to what we see in person. Keep in mind we are a retail showroom and our local customers come here to see what they have seen in the videos. We leave a lot of scenes out and will not use any that do nor reflect what you see in person. We see a lot of comments think there is a clear winner..there is not they are all amazing and depending on your application and budget we feel one of the top 8 4K projectors will fill your needs. www.tvspecialists.com/projector-comparison-challenge/
What screen do you use here?
We use a Stewart StudioTek Reference 130 screen.
Why did you compare black levels with a near-black fill? Previously, they did it differently - black fill, then black with a white frame. Now it’s not clear, even the difference between LСOS and 3LСD is not clear. I was going to switch from 6050 to n5 for the black level, now now in thought ...
The near black levels are about the only level you can detect some differences as above 10% they all have very respectable and state of the art contrast ratios. The black frame with white frame is not an HDR signal and does show almost the same results...The lamp projectors dim to get better blacks and do have slightly better blacks but the white frame is also not as bright so it is always a trade off..better detail in blacks or better blacks-it's an on-going debate.
Can anyone ID the movie at 25:35?
The movie is Mortal Engines.
@@Tvspecialists thanks so much!
Epson 6050 blows them all away expecially if you got it calibrated. 😁😁😁❤👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸
We appreciate your opinion but so much of that depends on if the source material is actually mastered from 4K original sources or just up-converted as so many so called 4K UHD movies are. It also depends on your viewing distance and eye perception. Calibration will help the color accuracy but "4K enhanced" (4 million pixels) is simply not the same as 8 million pixels. If you are further back than 2.5 times the image height, then yes the higher detail advantage of the JVC and Theo will begin to diminish.
i'll give you a nickel if you stop saying PITCHER.....
How does the 5050UB compare to the new JVC LX-NZ3B? Is that a better projector (I understand it's about $1000 more than the Epson).
Very different projectors, one is DLP and one is 3-LCD. Epson is better blacks from what we have seen at CEDIA, however, the JVC is higher resolution over 8 million pixels vs 4 million and the JVC is laser so zero maintenance and no lamps to buy or replace. If in controlled light room and viewing distance is 3 to 5 times screen height Epson may be best. In multi purpose room with close (1.5 -3 x height) and some lights on JVC may be best. It all depends on your unique situation.
When you showed the Epsons moire affect in the staircase railing, is the moire effect visible when the video is in motion ?
Very good question, the moire is mostly the lower resolution and the camera seeing the stair stepping in the Epson. At 4K viewing distances (1.5 X image height) it is visible as lower resolution and some pixelation and not so much as moire. At HD Viewing distances (3-4 X image height) it is not really detectable. So it really depends on your viewing distance and desire for image smoothness if the Epson is a good option for you.
10:10 47x contrast ratio lol. Projectors are pathetic.
how many hrs can the JVC lamp go before replacing its because its 1400.00 to replace lol
Per the JVC website, the lamp life is approximately 4500 hours in low mode.