i've always thought that EU4 is most fun when you are a small nation surrounded by similarly smaller nations so everyone gets the same chance to expand in every direction. The HRE looks like it'll have endless replayability.
I also love the idea that expansion doesn't need to be direct to become powerful, one of my favorite campaigns in eu4 was going for the Hamburg achievement and trade leaguing/vassalizing/protectorating hundreds around the world while staying really small and developed myself. It was a unique way of playing I didn't know was possible in such a fun way.
@@12354rony yeah it always bothered me that vassal mechanics are so barebones in EU4 so you can't really RP feudal politics during the early game. I expect EU5 to revamp this but then again I might be setting my expectations too high.
@@odiadordeisrael I want to hope eu5 would have much more vassal types and depth than eu4, it has to be so seeing the amount of complexity they're adding in.
2:45 the three islands are called the Balearic islands, the name you were looking for is Minorca. Ibiza is the western small island, Majorca is the large (hence Major) middle island, and the eastern smaller island is Minorca (hence Minor) 5:14 The grey culture group is Languedocien, since that's the region of Languedoc.
@@burakcetinkal6103 Majorca and Minorca are the accepted spellings of Mallorca and Menorca in English. Just like how you might say España in Spanish but English people call it Spain. It's called exonyms (non-native name for a place).
I'm from Spain and I love all the feedback that my fellow countrymen are giving to Paradox, me included, and how the team are being so reciprocal; they couldn't have done a greater job portraying the Peninsula, and they haven't even finished it yet, I'm so happy. Finally a Paradox game where Gibraltar is not ridiculous overrepresented! :D
If I remember correctly, according to what we study at school in Spain, there was a lot of immigration coming to the south part of Spain from the northern parts to repopulate during the reconquista
True, but the main poblational movement was to the middle rather than to the south. The south was a demographicaly strong area due to the higher urban tradition in muslim areas than in cristian area, I guess that's the reason why the andalusian culture has more pops as you progress south as a way to represent it. This is also why Castille was low density country, the conquest south was really fast from one point and the people was encouraged to migrate (don't know the name in english) in the process of "repoblación Concejil" around new or preexistant urban centers with many privileges for the settlers, once the frontier moved south of Tajo, this changed to a more conversion phase rather than a proper cristian migration (of course many different models were true at the same time though). Sorry for the lenght, but felt that it was not easy to explain it in a shorter paragraph, anyway I'm Spanish too so feel free to ask in Spanish, i used English for anyone to read if they wanted to
I would like to see a "temprature" on the population count mapmode, something that shows a color scale comparing the population of each location in relation to each other. When you press on a location owned by a country the temperature shifts to only take into account the location population of that country. If you have no country selected it compares all locations against each other
Hey! Spanish Student in History here, wanted to expand upon the terms of christians and islams in iberia: The term you used "Mudejares" Refers to Muslims in Christian territory. Then there were the "Mozarabes" and the "Muladies": Christians and Muslim Converts in Muslim territory, respectively.
I think there is going to be no crossing in eu5, look at the gibraltar and the balearic islands, there are no crossing between them, this should make navies more important.
Which would be more accurate, before the battle of Rio Salado Abu Al Hasan did get majorly screwed over by neglecting his navy (he didn't learn from the Punic Wars that even if you've just crushed the enemy fleet that doesn't mean they're not gonna rebuild one faster than expected).
As an asian, althought I love history but europe's history is so complicate with tons of nations, characters and politics so I really love your history lessons. Keep up with the good work Ludi!
Thanks brother, I try to make it as simple and short as possible. I'd love to do long history stuff too but when I did in the past people just didn't watch much sadly
Mate, from what I've learned about Asian history I think it's less complex regarding the nations involved but when it comes to factions, politics, etc. you top Europe eeasily considering complexity in my opinion. And as an avid historian I love it.
It would be nice if the vegetation changes trough the development of the location. As an exemple : with colonisation some lands turn from woods to farmlands, and the black death makes some farmlands turn grasslands due to the population loss.
TY for the info. I have no worries about the quality of the "maps". It's everything else that I wonder about;) I have played little of the other games that some EU5 systems have apparently been adapted from. EU5 could be a masterpiece that neatly incorporates all they best of previous paradox games, or it could be a Frankenstein's monster. It looks to be quite complex, and knitting it all together cleanly is a BIG job.
10:30 you gotta give credit to the Valois. They saw that there was to much kings named Louis, so instead they only had two kings called Louis so they could meet the minimum requirements, and decided to have a lot of kings named Charles instead. They even brought a new name with Francis
The fact that the crown of castille is not split up several vassal kingdoms (or at least Galicia, the kingdom wasn't completely centraliced into the crown until the late XV century) makes me quite mad. Specially because Galicia at the time was quite interesting with powerful nobility, church and cities all vying for power.
I love that they included the Peñiscola location, it's just a small seaside town but it's an historical place, with the last fortress built by the templars later on used by one of the antipopes, Benedict XIII aka "papa luna", from 1417 to 1423. Oh, and the fortress was used as the set for Mereen in GoT!
honestly I'm really excited for eu4 as its like a mix of vic3, imperator Rome and eu4 with even bits of hoi4 too, I really think its going to be a great game especially because they're taking the communities advice too!
Most important and needed changes for me Personally in EU5. 1.) A Player or Ai can not just March an Army from the China to Europe or Turkey passing 100 different Nations. 2.) A European Country like Spain or Portugal can't just conquer and Colonize all of Africa. (Deseases) 3.)Its not Possible to just march an Army over the Sahara Dessert Trade Routes. Or if it is Possible, then the Units have indoure katastrofic casualtys and the supply speed also has to be cut down drasticly. Also it seams like somebody forgot to add some Provinces and Arears to Portugal.
Hi Ludi! I'm from a town 10 km away from "Los Yébenes" in La Mancha. It actually makes me sad that Los yebenes is so overrepresented and they completely avoided "Consuegra" which was way more important in that time and had a huge castle that is still standing, can be visited and has appeared as wallpaper in Microsoft. It was the headquarters of the Order of San Juan. Is there any way to contact Paradox about this?
The culture in southern France that you were unfamiliar with is the Languedoc, they were a culture group/governing body that fell into decline after the Albigensian Crusade allowed the Capet to exert more control over southern Occitan.
Luedi, was the south of Kastille really that homogenous Catholic Castilian cultured back then? With the fall of Cordoba not so long ago I d expect a lot more Andalusian I think.
Southern iberia was scarcely populated at the time aside from the cities, when Castille conquered the territories, most of the Muslims from the cities(mainly cordoba and seville) fled to granada.
A couple of notes on Portugal: it’s weird that Braga is not a location on the map instead of Guimarães or Barcelos. It was a very important and very old catholic city. Guimarães has relevance from having the castle from which the first king of Portugal was based, but barcelos I’m not so sure. In Algarve, Silves was arguably more important city than Lagos, since it had city status long before during the reconquista, had a castle and its river was historically navigable, although not in the modern day. It’s also weird that the location has hills terrain when the south of Portugal is notably flatter than the north. There are some hills in algarve but they are on the more eastern side. The coastline does have cliffs, but I wouldn’t describe that as “hills”.
Portuguese history is unbelievably rich in this period of time, and considering the theme of Europa Universalis, would probably be the most important nation in the the early game. I hope they represent well all the things with King Diniz, the Order of Christ and all the early navigation technology.
Languedoc (Langue d'Oc) is a French name for Occitania - the term refers to the collection of Gallo-Romance dialects spoken in the South of France whereas Languedoïl (Langue d'Oïl) is used for the dialects of the North. Both "Oc" and "Oï" (Oui) are affirmatory responses derived from the Latin "hoc illud" (from which also comes, I suspect, the English "okay" (the jury is still out on that one and quite liable to be indefinitely hung)).
"Languedocien" as primary culture of Languedoc which has roughly been the south half of France at some point. It is named this way because south and north of France had pretty different languages. In the south for yes it was "oc" and in the north it was "oil". French derived from langue d'oil (which became "oui" with time") and langue d'oc became a regional language that central power tried to make disappear. Nowadays "Languedoc" remains in the name of the former french region "languedoc roussillon" and even in the new region "occitanie"
There's some crazy little tidbits here. The first is that Galician, Asturleonese, and Aragonese are considered their own languages, and that's being used as the basis for their own culture. Historically, this was no longer the case when Castile, and later Spain, centralized the regional dialects into a larger Spanish language, by making their dialect, Castilian, the official one. Those dialects would drift over time, to be mutually understandable by all Spaniards. This makes me think that the integration of these languages, and probably entire cultures, will be a far more realistic and involved process. And language may even be simulated separately from culture. Also, I commented in past videos about how I hoped that diverse kinds of food would be simulated, since the nutrient-dense new world foods like potatoes, tomatoes, etc. were instrumental in Europe's population boom. This basically confirms that more than just grain will be simulated, so the groundwork for this feature officially exists!
Languedocien is an occitanic culture langue ( tongue, language) docien ( docien = d'Oc - Occitan ). Languedoc is the OG occitan province, separated from the gascon language, which is also often called occitan too, they are very similar.
There was actually a nation between the northern border of Spain and Portugal, Coto Mixto, however it was so insignificant and dismisable that in the 19th century Portugal and Spain just anexxed it with no resistance. It would anyways have a population much lower than a thousand(I estimate) so perhabs, since its so trivial, it is not worth putting in the game, but were they to actually put it, it would no doubt be the hardest start in EU5
Well, it was a Couto (a fief) and Misto (mixed), so basically the facto independent but the iure somewhat in between the kgm. of Galicia and the kgm. of Portugal in a legal sense.
langedocien or occitant is the major second culture group in France. In fact Catalan language and Catalan culture begun as a dialect of Occitan and that's why Catalan culture share more in common with South France than Iberian Peninsula. France is dibided with Langed'oil (oui) and Langed'oc (oc) languages, French is Langedoil with many other languages and dialects and occitan is the biggest Langedoc language, with other languages or dialects like the Provençal. Recently I've been traveling arround the Côte D'Azur and as a Catalan was very surprising to see how many Toponyms are repeated literaly there. Many of this land was in somehow part of the Casal de Barcelona during Middle Ages. And the Catalan Flag is in many places in South France.
Southern french culture is "Languedocien", its basically the cultural area of the county of Toulouse which is from the occitan culture group alongside "Aquitain" and "Provençal", the name itself basically mean "Speaker of the oc (occitan) language"
the cultural map seems to follow linguistic lines, and by the XIV century galician and portuguese weren't really distinct enough to be considered separate languages, but I get that for gameplay purposes it's best for them to be separate so portugal doesn't have a reason to try and invade castille in every game.
5:13 Maybe the culture's called 'Langedocian' named after the fact that people in southern France say yes ('oc', from here also the name Occitania). If that's right, then in the north of France the culture will be called 'Langedouian'
Languedocian was a south-western Occitan culture at the time! Likely this'll come along with the Provencal and Lemosin sub-cultures in the same region. :)
technically if there is a hashed culture it doesn't necessarily mean the main one has >50% prevalence, it just means it's the largest minority (e.g. if there are four cultures in an area, with 10%, 20%, 30%, and 40% of the population, the base colour would be the 40% population culture hashed with the 30% culture).
There are so many nations i want to play first when EU5 comes out xD But yeah Brandenburg is one of them. Until now i havent seen any language map mode. There was one trade window where you got certain bonuses on language. Maybe they are bound too culture.
I see what they're saying about the vegetation not feeling quite right. Now climate has shifted some ofc with greater water usage by humans but having been through southern Spain those farmlands could be worth distinguishing as a dry farmland because these places are DRY and brown, basically looks like Southern California/Northern Mexico
I think it would be better to represent Castile as a personal union of Castile and León, while Aragón can be a personal union of Aragón, Barcelona and Valencia. They were far from being a unified realm in 1337. Each sub-kingdom had different laws and courts.
That’s pretty much what the “crown of” refers to, the union between Castile and Leon. As for why Aragon isn’t called the Crown of Aragon I have no idea
A few things. The ruler of the Crown of Aragón was not Frederick the third. In 1337 the king of the Crown of Aragon was Pedro el Ceremonioso/Pere el Cerimoniós/ Pedro o Ceremonioso. He was one of the greatest kings of the Crown of Aragon. Regarding the cultural map, I’d say it lacks some aragonese and catalan minorities in some areas of Murcia. The map shows only the castillian and andalusi cultures, but Murcia was repopulated with aragonese and catalans, as well as castillians obviusly. In fact, the castilian dialect in Murcia inherites a lot of its vocabulary from the aragonese and catalan languages . Regardind the political map, I’d say there are some mistakes in the border between Castille and Aragon. The strongholds of Caudete and Villena were sometimes part of Castille, othee times part of Aragon, but in 1337 both of them were part of the Crown of Aragon. Regarding the climate map… It is so bad I can not explain all the mistakes. Except the climate map, all the maps were very good maps.
I think that the entire Valencian and Tarragona coast should have a Mediterranean climate. The climate in Tarragona and Valencia is warmer than on the coast of Gerona, it makes no sense that they are classified as having the same climate as the cold Iberian plateau. The entire Valencian and Catalan coast should have a Mediterranean climate
It should n t be a galician culture minority in nothern Portugal or a portuguese minority in galicia due to the origins of Portugal being from the galician culture and from the origin of the county of portucalense ?
It shouldn't in several ways 1) the split they did is totally artificial, we can't speak here of different cultures nor in the 14th century nor in the 15th century, and arguably not until the 18th century. 2) In that sense they can't represent minorities as basically they are inventing a culture (or artificially splitting it) inside a single culture space with several political entities according to the name of each entity (so naming the same culture outside the region it's named for, will go against the only logic they had that it is that of region naming). 3) minorities both sides would break the only sense that split has, political, making it even more ridiculous. 4) from an historical point of view any Galician in Portugal would not be a minority at that point, just someone from a different village but from the same culture. It is a bit of a disorganized explanation but the problem is so surrealistic that I don't know how to put it in an organized fashion.
Since u have some interest in Galicia, I would like to comment on a few things: 1) at that point (and at least until the 18th century) Galician and Portuguese cultures were exactly the same in every single aspect. 2) The borders they did for Galicia (specially external ones) have nothing to do with late medieval and modern age Galician borders but are those of the "Comunidade Autónoma de Galicia" (1980 borders). PS. Javier de Burgos reforms are from 1830, totally out of range to EU5 I guess. As well those provinces were based on french departaments (defensiveness balance, mountain, plain and coast if possible, after the one of José I) not over any traditional division of the peninsula. In fact there are several propositions around the late 18th and early 19th century much different to that of Javier the Burgos as nearer to traditional distributions as the one of 1822 approved in Courts. As well the pop distribution, is ahem, not good, and there are a good in deep amount of studies done about it (in free repositories from Universities), that could had been consulted but clearly weren't. As someone from the Peninsula and archeologist, I'm honestly disappointed with what they did in the Peninsula.
5:10 Pretty sure that's Languedocien, from the name of the region of Languedoc which is itself from the name "langue d'oc" meaning "oc language" which is the group of languages/dialects that used to be spoken in the south of France (and that are still spoken in some parts) that are commonly called "Occitan".
Sooo in the Basque Country the location named Tolosa, bordering the French Basque region, the name is wrong or to the least misleading, since Tolosa is Toulouse, which is deep inside southern France. A more fitting name would be for example Irún, which is a border city in Spain.
Languedocien yes, which is considered the southern variant of french. In the Middle Ages, 2 main variants of french were acknowledged : "langue d'oil" in the north and "langue d'oc" in the south, "oil" and "oc" being how "yes" (now "oui") is said.
Ludius maximus why you no play the updated 1.37 countries sir? I imagined you would be the first one to play netherlands and maximize the schnaps out of them.
Great video. Wasn't Portugal actually the kingdom of Portugal and the Algarve? I could be wrong, but as a Portuguese, i remember something like this in school. It only became just yhe kingdom of Portugal later on
Has there been any comment on the game becoming too complex? I am obviously a fan of the depth of paradox GSG, but from what I've seen so far the game seems likes it's going to be WAY more complex than EU4. I am hoping that they will still be able to capture the soul of Europa Universalis with all the extra stuff.
I’m not sure if I like the fact that the valencian and Balearic cultures are under Catalan culture, mainly because historically valencian was the “strongest” cultures out of the 3, also it doesn’t help that in valencian maybe I’m biased.
Well in the 1300s Catalans were really just one major group of people though. And really the Catalan language was pretty much Occitan by that point with minimal Iberian influences
Catalonia had a larger population than Valencia in the game start, and a stronger culture. It was more affected by a few crisis in the 14th and 15th century. The "Valencian century" was the 15th century. The Balearic Islands always had a much lower population than both Catalonia and Valencia. And this doesn't change anything, it's still the same language and culture.
Just a few remarks, Catalan comes from Occitan, while valencian does not. Valencia was mainly populated by aragonese settlers, not Catalan you can look for dna maps and you will that the peninsula has “straight “ lines of dna, so people from Asturias and Cadiz share more dna than people from Cataluña and Valencia, which I repeat was mainly populated by aragonese. And a third remark yes valencian had his gold century around SXV but they had one, while Catalan as a deviation from Occitan had none, that why I make the assumption that valencian is a stronger culture by his own than Catalan
Me as a France player seeing the amount of juicy Spanish locations to my south, that after kicking perfidious Albion into the sea, with only FOUR tags in Iberia to worry about any kind of coalition BS, could be made into subjects of mine decades before the age of exploration even begins...... *Drools.........*
thats size of village in middle east during that period in a hyperbolic manner. i do wonder though how big baghdad will be knowing it had nearly 2 million inhabitents before its destruction by mongols alongside some 3 other persian cities who did have roughly 1 millions each aswell . like how much did they recover ? maybe this is the period of Fes morocco since that city did become the biggest on earth post mongols era for a brief moment
Link to the full europe political map minus iberia ruclips.net/video/bcc2tG7ZZJo/видео.html
2:15 dude what about otto broski
don't forget the villain mustache
I really love the colours they're using for these maps
same
Better have a mod for eu4 the same with this style. I need it
i've always thought that EU4 is most fun when you are a small nation surrounded by similarly smaller nations so everyone gets the same chance to expand in every direction. The HRE looks like it'll have endless replayability.
I also love the idea that expansion doesn't need to be direct to become powerful, one of my favorite campaigns in eu4 was going for the Hamburg achievement and trade leaguing/vassalizing/protectorating hundreds around the world while staying really small and developed myself. It was a unique way of playing I didn't know was possible in such a fun way.
@@12354rony yeah it always bothered me that vassal mechanics are so barebones in EU4 so you can't really RP feudal politics during the early game. I expect EU5 to revamp this but then again I might be setting my expectations too high.
@@odiadordeisrael I want to hope eu5 would have much more vassal types and depth than eu4, it has to be so seeing the amount of complexity they're adding in.
It's true! But it is only fun if there's flavor for such minors, which EU4 has achieved after many years. Hopefully it won't take as long in EU5
2:45 the three islands are called the Balearic islands, the name you were looking for is Minorca. Ibiza is the western small island, Majorca is the large (hence Major) middle island, and the eastern smaller island is Minorca (hence Minor)
5:14 The grey culture group is Languedocien, since that's the region of Languedoc.
OMG MINORCA THATS THE ONE I THOUGHT WAS BALEARIC LOL XD
There's actually 4 islands, below Ibiza there's the island of Formentera, but I think it is part of Ibiza in-game
@@Wayan.el.sanchez Formentera forever
@@LudietHistoria That's Mallorca, Ibıza and Menorca not majorca nor minorca
@@burakcetinkal6103 Majorca and Minorca are the accepted spellings of Mallorca and Menorca in English. Just like how you might say España in Spanish but English people call it Spain. It's called exonyms (non-native name for a place).
I'm from Spain and I love all the feedback that my fellow countrymen are giving to Paradox, me included, and how the team are being so reciprocal; they couldn't have done a greater job portraying the Peninsula, and they haven't even finished it yet, I'm so happy. Finally a Paradox game where Gibraltar is not ridiculous overrepresented! :D
If I remember correctly, according to what we study at school in Spain, there was a lot of immigration coming to the south part of Spain from the northern parts to repopulate during the reconquista
True, but the main poblational movement was to the middle rather than to the south. The south was a demographicaly strong area due to the higher urban tradition in muslim areas than in cristian area, I guess that's the reason why the andalusian culture has more pops as you progress south as a way to represent it. This is also why Castille was low density country, the conquest south was really fast from one point and the people was encouraged to migrate (don't know the name in english) in the process of "repoblación Concejil" around new or preexistant urban centers with many privileges for the settlers, once the frontier moved south of Tajo, this changed to a more conversion phase rather than a proper cristian migration (of course many different models were true at the same time though). Sorry for the lenght, but felt that it was not easy to explain it in a shorter paragraph, anyway I'm Spanish too so feel free to ask in Spanish, i used English for anyone to read if they wanted to
I would like to see a "temprature" on the population count mapmode, something that shows a color scale comparing the population of each location in relation to each other. When you press on a location owned by a country the temperature shifts to only take into account the location population of that country. If you have no country selected it compares all locations against each other
You should write that on the forum
@@DragonSlapper64 makes a hell of a lot of sense
Hey! Spanish Student in History here, wanted to expand upon the terms of christians and islams in iberia:
The term you used "Mudejares" Refers to Muslims in Christian territory.
Then there were the "Mozarabes" and the "Muladies": Christians and Muslim Converts in Muslim territory, respectively.
very true, thanks for pointing this out!
I think there is going to be no crossing in eu5, look at the gibraltar and the balearic islands, there are no crossing between them, this should make navies more important.
i think so too
Which would be more accurate, before the battle of Rio Salado Abu Al Hasan did get majorly screwed over by neglecting his navy (he didn't learn from the Punic Wars that even if you've just crushed the enemy fleet that doesn't mean they're not gonna rebuild one faster than expected).
Good job for paradox using the community’s knowledge and wishes to polish the game
facts
I agree, the game should be more Polish
Nah polish is to strong right now they should shrink them a little bit
21:08 That's the Al Jaza'ir market, Al Jaza'ir is the Arabic name of Algiers.
As an asian, althought I love history but europe's history is so complicate with tons of nations, characters and politics so I really love your history lessons. Keep up with the good work Ludi!
Thanks brother, I try to make it as simple and short as possible. I'd love to do long history stuff too but when I did in the past people just didn't watch much sadly
Man just you wait until we see the portrayal of Asia in EU5, I can't wait. Greetings :)
Mate, from what I've learned about Asian history I think it's less complex regarding the nations involved but when it comes to factions, politics, etc. you top Europe eeasily considering complexity in my opinion. And as an avid historian I love it.
It would be nice if the vegetation changes trough the development of the location. As an exemple : with colonisation some lands turn from woods to farmlands, and the black death makes some farmlands turn grasslands due to the population loss.
What is the point of this video? We all know that Iberia isn't real anyway. If EU5 wants to promote historical accuracy, Iberia better not be there
what u mean?
Same with birds
iberia is the friends we made along the way
@@xav5376he's a victim of Reconquista, don't mind him
Forests are also a lie!!!
I was worried they would forget the Marinid possessions in Gibraltar and Algeciras
TY for the info. I have no worries about the quality of the "maps". It's everything else that I wonder about;) I have played little of the other games that some EU5 systems have apparently been adapted from. EU5 could be a masterpiece that neatly incorporates all they best of previous paradox games, or it could be a Frankenstein's monster. It looks to be quite complex, and knitting it all together cleanly is a BIG job.
10:30 you gotta give credit to the Valois. They saw that there was to much kings named Louis, so instead they only had two kings called Louis so they could meet the minimum requirements, and decided to have a lot of kings named Charles instead. They even brought a new name with Francis
The fact that the crown of castille is not split up several vassal kingdoms (or at least Galicia, the kingdom wasn't completely centraliced into the crown until the late XV century) makes me quite mad. Specially because Galicia at the time was quite interesting with powerful nobility, church and cities all vying for power.
Thanks for the updates Ludi! Keep em coming!
I love that they included the Peñiscola location, it's just a small seaside town but it's an historical place, with the last fortress built by the templars later on used by one of the antipopes, Benedict XIII aka "papa luna", from 1417 to 1423.
Oh, and the fortress was used as the set for Mereen in GoT!
honestly I'm really excited for eu4 as its like a mix of vic3, imperator Rome and eu4 with even bits of hoi4 too, I really think its going to be a great game especially because they're taking the communities advice too!
really like the development so far
me too
Most important and needed changes for me Personally in EU5.
1.) A Player or Ai can not just March an Army from the China to Europe or Turkey passing 100 different Nations.
2.) A European Country like Spain or Portugal can't just conquer and Colonize all of Africa. (Deseases)
3.)Its not Possible to just march an Army over the Sahara Dessert Trade Routes.
Or if it is Possible, then the Units have indoure katastrofic casualtys and the supply speed also has to be cut down drasticly.
Also it seams like somebody forgot to add some Provinces and Arears to Portugal.
I wonder if the AI will be able to progress historically. They are adding a ton of mechanics, the game will be a lot more complex...
no clue yet but I suspect there will be some sort of mechanic to keep AI on a historical path
It will be historic af.
Brandenburg will restore Rome
15:20 "Interesting, so they didn't start in Sweden like in EU4" I completely forgot Tinto is a Spanish studio until you said that lol
Hi Ludi! I'm from a town 10 km away from "Los Yébenes" in La Mancha. It actually makes me sad that Los yebenes is so overrepresented and they completely avoided "Consuegra" which was way more important in that time and had a huge castle that is still standing, can be visited and has appeared as wallpaper in Microsoft. It was the headquarters of the Order of San Juan. Is there any way to contact Paradox about this?
if eu5 comes next year when i am in army.i am gonna freak out for reallll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The french culture group you are asking is languedocien. It is from the province of Languedoc.
The culture in southern France that you were unfamiliar with is the Languedoc, they were a culture group/governing body that fell into decline after the Albigensian Crusade allowed the Capet to exert more control over southern Occitan.
It’s Languedocien not Languedoc🤓
@@digiorno1142wrong
@@visigoth3696 Not wrong but ok
@@visigoth3696 And you can literally see the “….cien” on the map
@@digiorno1142 you are but it’s okay
I love the new outros Ludi and we love and appreciate you as well.
Luedi, was the south of Kastille really that homogenous Catholic Castilian cultured back then? With the fall of Cordoba not so long ago I d expect a lot more Andalusian I think.
Southern iberia was scarcely populated at the time aside from the cities, when Castille conquered the territories, most of the Muslims from the cities(mainly cordoba and seville) fled to granada.
Andorra world conquest would be a nasty achievement. Pyrenean World Order. Peak Domination. Tiny Titan. Something like this.
Man, Pyrenean World Order sounds nasty af 😂 love it!
Aragon’s name should be “Crown of Aragon” as well
I know my hopes are probably going to be crushed (based on their last 5 releases) but I’m pre ordering EU5 anyways.
At 5:12 "guedocien" is almost certainly referring to languedocien, which is referring to Occitan.
A couple of notes on Portugal: it’s weird that Braga is not a location on the map instead of Guimarães or Barcelos. It was a very important and very old catholic city. Guimarães has relevance from having the castle from which the first king of Portugal was based, but barcelos I’m not so sure. In Algarve, Silves was arguably more important city than Lagos, since it had city status long before during the reconquista, had a castle and its river was historically navigable, although not in the modern day. It’s also weird that the location has hills terrain when the south of Portugal is notably flatter than the north. There are some hills in algarve but they are on the more eastern side. The coastline does have cliffs, but I wouldn’t describe that as “hills”.
Portuguese history is unbelievably rich in this period of time, and considering the theme of Europa Universalis, would probably be the most important nation in the the early game. I hope they represent well all the things with King Diniz, the Order of Christ and all the early navigation technology.
Languedoc (Langue d'Oc) is a French name for Occitania - the term refers to the collection of Gallo-Romance dialects spoken in the South of France whereas Languedoïl (Langue d'Oïl) is used for the dialects of the North. Both "Oc" and "Oï" (Oui) are affirmatory responses derived from the Latin "hoc illud" (from which also comes, I suspect, the English "okay" (the jury is still out on that one and quite liable to be indefinitely hung)).
"Languedocien" as primary culture of Languedoc which has roughly been the south half of France at some point. It is named this way because south and north of France had pretty different languages. In the south for yes it was "oc" and in the north it was "oil". French derived from langue d'oil (which became "oui" with time") and langue d'oc became a regional language that central power tried to make disappear. Nowadays "Languedoc" remains in the name of the former french region "languedoc roussillon" and even in the new region "occitanie"
There's some crazy little tidbits here. The first is that Galician, Asturleonese, and Aragonese are considered their own languages, and that's being used as the basis for their own culture. Historically, this was no longer the case when Castile, and later Spain, centralized the regional dialects into a larger Spanish language, by making their dialect, Castilian, the official one. Those dialects would drift over time, to be mutually understandable by all Spaniards. This makes me think that the integration of these languages, and probably entire cultures, will be a far more realistic and involved process. And language may even be simulated separately from culture.
Also, I commented in past videos about how I hoped that diverse kinds of food would be simulated, since the nutrient-dense new world foods like potatoes, tomatoes, etc. were instrumental in Europe's population boom. This basically confirms that more than just grain will be simulated, so the groundwork for this feature officially exists!
Alfonso X " El Sabio" gotta be my favourite Alfonso
Languedocien is an occitanic culture langue ( tongue, language) docien ( docien = d'Oc - Occitan ). Languedoc is the OG occitan province, separated from the gascon language, which is also often called occitan too, they are very similar.
What I'm loving from this map so far, is that the borders look so much better than the vanilla ones of EU4
There was actually a nation between the northern border of Spain and Portugal, Coto Mixto, however it was so insignificant and dismisable that in the 19th century Portugal and Spain just anexxed it with no resistance. It would anyways have a population much lower than a thousand(I estimate) so perhabs, since its so trivial, it is not worth putting in the game, but were they to actually put it, it would no doubt be the hardest start in EU5
Well, it was a Couto (a fief) and Misto (mixed), so basically the facto independent but the iure somewhat in between the kgm. of Galicia and the kgm. of Portugal in a legal sense.
already confirmed to not be in the game as its size is too small to not fit within the location system
langedocien or occitant is the major second culture group in France. In fact Catalan language and Catalan culture begun as a dialect of Occitan and that's why Catalan culture share more in common with South France than Iberian Peninsula.
France is dibided with Langed'oil (oui) and Langed'oc (oc) languages, French is Langedoil with many other languages and dialects and occitan is the biggest Langedoc language, with other languages or dialects like the Provençal.
Recently I've been traveling arround the Côte D'Azur and as a Catalan was very surprising to see how many Toponyms are repeated literaly there. Many of this land was in somehow part of the Casal de Barcelona during Middle Ages. And the Catalan Flag is in many places in South France.
They really got inspired by one of your thumbnails
Southern french culture is "Languedocien", its basically the cultural area of the county of Toulouse which is from the occitan culture group alongside "Aquitain" and "Provençal", the name itself basically mean "Speaker of the oc (occitan) language"
Great video! Love it!!!
the cultural map seems to follow linguistic lines, and by the XIV century galician and portuguese weren't really distinct enough to be considered separate languages, but I get that for gameplay purposes it's best for them to be separate so portugal doesn't have a reason to try and invade castille in every game.
5:13 Maybe the culture's called 'Langedocian' named after the fact that people in southern France say yes ('oc', from here also the name Occitania). If that's right, then in the north of France the culture will be called 'Langedouian'
Languedocian was a south-western Occitan culture at the time! Likely this'll come along with the Provencal and Lemosin sub-cultures in the same region. :)
technically if there is a hashed culture it doesn't necessarily mean the main one has >50% prevalence, it just means it's the largest minority (e.g. if there are four cultures in an area, with 10%, 20%, 30%, and 40% of the population, the base colour would be the 40% population culture hashed with the 30% culture).
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Same man, same. It's hard to memorize for real.
I hope they do the Anatolia/Aegean region soon. I think it will be one of the most interesting and different from EU4, culturally and religiously
3:34 Since the moors have the coast of southern Spain, they still have a chance to re-Reconquista
Really a more-balanced map!
There are so many nations i want to play first when EU5 comes out xD
But yeah Brandenburg is one of them.
Until now i havent seen any language map mode. There was one trade window where you got certain bonuses on language. Maybe they are bound too culture.
Ngl the HRE looks super fun to play in!
When do we think this will get officially announced? I want to see the title font dang it
Formentera. The small island in the balearic islands is call Formentera.
5:13 it's Languedocien a subculture of Occitan (comes from the region of Languedoc (=langue d'oc))
I see what they're saying about the vegetation not feeling quite right. Now climate has shifted some ofc with greater water usage by humans but having been through southern Spain those farmlands could be worth distinguishing as a dry farmland because these places are DRY and brown, basically looks like Southern California/Northern Mexico
Makes sense they started with Iberia since it's Tinto
Muscovy will be amazing!
Muscovy is getting fkked
Thanks again 👍👍. Keep going 💪
I think it would be better to represent Castile as a personal union of Castile and León, while Aragón can be a personal union of Aragón, Barcelona and Valencia. They were far from being a unified realm in 1337. Each sub-kingdom had different laws and courts.
That’s pretty much what the “crown of” refers to, the union between Castile and Leon. As for why Aragon isn’t called the Crown of Aragon I have no idea
I agree byz and brandenburg should be first but you said you’d do wallachia/Moldavia first in another comment a while ago!
Languedocien contractions for
Scooby was a monarchs name. He was a Great Dane. I'm not sure if his regent/consort was called Shaggy though.
A few things. The ruler of the Crown of Aragón was not Frederick the third. In 1337 the king of the Crown of Aragon was Pedro el Ceremonioso/Pere el Cerimoniós/ Pedro o Ceremonioso. He was one of the greatest kings of the Crown of Aragon. Regarding the cultural map, I’d say it lacks some aragonese and catalan minorities in some areas of Murcia. The map shows only the castillian and andalusi cultures, but Murcia was repopulated with aragonese and catalans, as well as castillians obviusly. In fact, the castilian dialect in Murcia inherites a lot of its vocabulary from the aragonese and catalan languages . Regardind the political map, I’d say there are some mistakes in the border between Castille and Aragon. The strongholds of Caudete and Villena were sometimes part of Castille, othee times part of Aragon, but in 1337 both of them were part of the Crown of Aragon.
Regarding the climate map… It is so bad I can not explain all the mistakes. Except the climate map, all the maps were very good maps.
I want you to play as Andorra in EU5 🎉
I think that the entire Valencian and Tarragona coast should have a Mediterranean climate. The climate in Tarragona and Valencia is warmer than on the coast of Gerona, it makes no sense that they are classified as having the same climate as the cold Iberian plateau. The entire Valencian and Catalan coast should have a Mediterranean climate
Depending on how groubded in reality the game is, saltpeter could be the most valuable tradegood. It was extremely rare, specially in europe.
Ludie is gonna do something devious when eu5 releases
It should n t be a galician culture minority in nothern Portugal or a portuguese minority in galicia due to the origins of Portugal being from the galician culture and from the origin of the county of portucalense ?
It shouldn't in several ways
1) the split they did is totally artificial, we can't speak here of different cultures nor in the 14th century nor in the 15th century, and arguably not until the 18th century.
2) In that sense they can't represent minorities as basically they are inventing a culture (or artificially splitting it) inside a single culture space with several political entities according to the name of each entity (so naming the same culture outside the region it's named for, will go against the only logic they had that it is that of region naming).
3) minorities both sides would break the only sense that split has, political, making it even more ridiculous.
4) from an historical point of view any Galician in Portugal would not be a minority at that point, just someone from a different village but from the same culture.
It is a bit of a disorganized explanation but the problem is so surrealistic that I don't know how to put it in an organized fashion.
If the europe map is so large and detailed, I wonder how will the Americas and Asia be?
Since u have some interest in Galicia, I would like to comment on a few things:
1) at that point (and at least until the 18th century) Galician and Portuguese cultures were exactly the same in every single aspect.
2) The borders they did for Galicia (specially external ones) have nothing to do with late medieval and modern age Galician borders but are those of the "Comunidade Autónoma de Galicia" (1980 borders).
PS. Javier de Burgos reforms are from 1830, totally out of range to EU5 I guess. As well those provinces were based on french departaments (defensiveness balance, mountain, plain and coast if possible, after the one of José I) not over any traditional division of the peninsula. In fact there are several propositions around the late 18th and early 19th century much different to that of Javier the Burgos as nearer to traditional distributions as the one of 1822 approved in Courts.
As well the pop distribution, is ahem, not good, and there are a good in deep amount of studies done about it (in free repositories from Universities), that could had been consulted but clearly weren't.
As someone from the Peninsula and archeologist, I'm honestly disappointed with what they did in the Peninsula.
The culture in southern France is Languedocien, they speak the Langue D'Oc (Occitan)
5:10 Pretty sure that's Languedocien, from the name of the region of Languedoc which is itself from the name "langue d'oc" meaning "oc language" which is the group of languages/dialects that used to be spoken in the south of France (and that are still spoken in some parts) that are commonly called "Occitan".
You are entirely right ! By the way, this is a very amazing region to visit
@@antoninvuillemin5286 The Massif Central is awesome !
By looking at the climate map i would guess winds blow mostly from west to east.
Do you think , when you are in war u will siege location or province with all locations at once?
Sooo in the Basque Country the location named Tolosa, bordering the French Basque region, the name is wrong or to the least misleading, since Tolosa is Toulouse, which is deep inside southern France. A more fitting name would be for example Irún, which is a border city in Spain.
game will be out probably sooner than i expected
Languedocien yes, which is considered the southern variant of french.
In the Middle Ages, 2 main variants of french were acknowledged : "langue d'oil" in the north and "langue d'oc" in the south, "oil" and "oc" being how "yes" (now "oui") is said.
Ludius maximus why you no play the updated 1.37 countries sir? I imagined you would be the first one to play netherlands and maximize the schnaps out of them.
Soon sir
Great video. Wasn't Portugal actually the kingdom of Portugal and the Algarve? I could be wrong, but as a Portuguese, i remember something like this in school.
It only became just yhe kingdom of Portugal later on
Foi sempre reino de Portugal e dos Algarves até ao final da monarquia. Todos os reis portugueses tiveram os 2 títulos
Has there been any comment on the game becoming too complex? I am obviously a fan of the depth of paradox GSG, but from what I've seen so far the game seems likes it's going to be WAY more complex than EU4. I am hoping that they will still be able to capture the soul of Europa Universalis with all the extra stuff.
For Portugal it was Afonso, not ALfonso
ludi bro when do you start working at paradox tinto?
Me getting super happy to get a Portugal map, even tho I know the borders were going to be the same. Portugal crlho!!!
Nothing to do with historical accuracy but surely the colours for Castillian and Catalan cultures should appear more visually distinct?
I’m not sure if I like the fact that the valencian and Balearic cultures are under Catalan culture, mainly because historically valencian was the “strongest” cultures out of the 3, also it doesn’t help that in valencian maybe I’m biased.
Well in the 1300s Catalans were really just one major group of people though. And really the Catalan language was pretty much Occitan by that point with minimal Iberian influences
Valencia was formed from Aragonese and Catalan settlers
Catalonia had a larger population than Valencia in the game start, and a stronger culture. It was more affected by a few crisis in the 14th and 15th century. The "Valencian century" was the 15th century. The Balearic Islands always had a much lower population than both Catalonia and Valencia. And this doesn't change anything, it's still the same language and culture.
Just a few remarks, Catalan comes from Occitan, while valencian does not. Valencia was mainly populated by aragonese settlers, not Catalan you can look for dna maps and you will that the peninsula has “straight “ lines of dna, so people from Asturias and Cadiz share more dna than people from Cataluña and Valencia, which I repeat was mainly populated by aragonese. And a third remark yes valencian had his gold century around SXV but they had one, while Catalan as a deviation from Occitan had none, that why I make the assumption that valencian is a stronger culture by his own than Catalan
Me as a France player seeing the amount of juicy Spanish locations to my south, that after kicking perfidious Albion into the sea, with only FOUR tags in Iberia to worry about any kind of coalition BS, could be made into subjects of mine decades before the age of exploration even begins......
*Drools.........*
now i kinda want to see Ludi in CK3 making the dynastie Scoobie restoring the glorious roman empire.. gotta change the names scheme a bit x)
Aragon should be ruled by Aragorn and be in a PU with Gondor.
“Dynamic location naming system” yes come on this is what we want baby!!!
In Toulouse it’s likely Languedoc(ien)
Languedocien is basically eastern occitanese. I think it is everything between Provence, Auvergne, Limousin, Toulouse and Catalan country.
the 121k pop in france is Toulouse
yeah that makes sense
thats size of village in middle east during that period in a hyperbolic manner.
i do wonder though how big baghdad will be knowing it had nearly 2 million inhabitents before its destruction by mongols alongside some 3 other persian cities who did have roughly 1 millions each aswell . like how much did they recover ?
maybe this is the period of Fes morocco since that city did become the biggest on earth post mongols era for a brief moment
My god they put Olivença! Today is Spanish but before napoleon was Portugues
We were so close to seeing sicily. I just hope it IS sicily