Said he convinced them to work on it free of charge. Im instantly picturing him holding a hammer over a dummy detonator while they quickly bondo and paint it. Lol
It's interesting how quickly the Mark 24 was put into service. It achieved its first kill before the issues with the Mark 14/15 torpedo exploders were even acknowledged. Apples and oranges admittedly but there was an acoustic homing torpedo in service, with confirmed kills, while the primary "dumb" torpedos were still exploding too early or not exploding on direct hits.
Mk 27's would swim out of a torpedo tube to stay quiet because the sub was most likely being pursued. The air bubbles from a normal torpedo launch wouldn't bother the torpedoes hydrophones very much if at all. The warhead was 95lbs. of torpex or HBX. The intended targets were destroyer sized or smaller escorts and the goal was to immobilize the target or sink if the hit was lucky. I believe the Mk 27 had a fixed depth setting of 5- 10 ft for 2 reasons: 1) to avoid hitting own ship and 2) this would avoid messing around guessing what depth to set and makes manufacturing simpler. Lt J S Launders DSC RN, commanding officer of HMS Venturer, tracked U- 864 for several hours using passive sonar and occasional periscope sightings of U- 864's periscope. The tracking party onboard HMS Venturer was able to see a zig zag pattern and were able to produce a firing solution and fired 4 torpedoes. Lt Launders made a guess that U- 864 would be at or very close to periscope depth and set the torpedo depth accordingly.
Thank you Paul, excellent video. I have seen training films for the air drop Fido, but I didn’t realize that was the heritage of the Cutie. It is great to learn some new history.
Thanks. That was interesting. I was aware of the Fido - but not the Mark 27 Mod 0. The thing was - that for a long time - no one talked about the US Homing Torpedoes - as I believe their existence was classified. .
I remember reading that USS Barb tried to fire the "Cutie" and nothing happened. Their theory was the cold temperatures quickly depleted the batteries so the torpedo swam out of the tube and quickly lost battery power and sank.
Excellent history lesson on the cutie. I visited the cavalla, and saw their cutie. I had no idea what it was, nor did I see anything explaining her💁🏽♂️. Thank you for filling in the missing information 🤠
Very cool. I remember as a kid, none of the books would ever discuss the sonar guided torps, apparently still secret in the 1970's. So this was very informative. Of course Cleveland has a connection to the Mark 48's, built here at the Gould Ocean Systems factory for many years. Congrats On the great episode done by Captain Todi of "Unauthorized History of the Pacific War Podcast" on USS Cod.
Paul, each video that you produce absolutely amazes me ! It is truly astounding how so many different businesses and Universities worked to help win the War. A lot of the things we use today are directly from WWII Technology.
Thank you, Paul, and USS Cod. This is a story I have not heard before. I know it is not part of your WW2 equipment, but a very interesting segment. Greetings from an old Army guy in Texas.
Thank you for teaching me for an entire subject that I knew zero about except that such things existed. Please, please sir, you having your fingers by that propeller is freaking out the safety alarms in my head. I know its non functional but still. 😊
Paul, wondering out loud here. When I've visited submarine museums I look for Japanese flags that were painted on the tubes? Cod does not have them, nor most of the other boats that I've been through. Yes, they do have their battle flags, which are very sharp, but no flags on their tubes. Was this more of a Hollywood creation than reality? Surface vessels have all sorts of flags going on. Just curious? Lastly, how would they know which tube was responsible? Did they just go by their watches, which hit first? Thanks again Paul!
Cod crew painted a flag or two in tube doors. We've toyed with the idea of recreating the door flags. The crew woukdcremember which spread sank a ship but perhaps not the exact tube or fish.
When I went through TM "A" School in mid 1963, one of the torpedoes taught was the Mk 27, even though we all knew we would never see another one. The Navy lagged in what it taught, because even when I went to sub school right after that, they were still teaching conventional subs, although they started teaching nukes before I left.
The air dropped Fido torpedo was so secret, that it could only be air dropped after a submarine had completely dived underwater to prevent it from being seen.
Well it was really only capable of killing a sub submerged... surfaced subs are cloaked by surface turbulence. But you're on the right track. ASW aircraft were ONLY allowed to drop a Fido over a SINGLE Uboat. If they suspected a second Uboat was in the area they were to let it go ornonky use conventional ASW weapons. The fear was the other Uboat would survive and report back that we were using homing torpedoes dropped from aircraft. The countermeasure would be rather simple to deploy by UBoats.
@@paulfarace9595 "surfaced subs are cloaked by surface turbulence". This is not true, "surface turbulence" does not acoustically mask/ cloak the U boat. The Mk 24 was a passive acoustical homing torpedo and being at depth or at the surface any surface turbulence is about the same to the torpedo. If the allies weren't afraid of the germans finding out we had acoustic homing torpedoes then they would have dropped them while the U boat was in plain sight and they would have made hits.
Cool video. One question: Was the "Target Submarine " manned ? I mean ... did you shoot a manned sub with a torpedo with no warhead ? Ok, no warhead , so no explosion but ... wasn't it still dangerous ? ( well, that would explain the balsa wood in the forward and after torpedo room ... )
ASROC was an outgrowth of the Mk.43 RAT (rocket assisted torpedo). The lethality of subclass growing rapidly and we wanted to kill the enemy sub as far away from the defensive ships as possible. So throw it towards the enemy sub with a rocket booster. ASROC was a substantial enhancement over RAT.
I have no difficulty imagining Paul showing up at a repair shop and asking if they could work on his torpedo warhead.
Said he convinced them to work on it free of charge. Im instantly picturing him holding a hammer over a dummy detonator while they quickly bondo and paint it. Lol
It's interesting how quickly the Mark 24 was put into service. It achieved its first kill before the issues with the Mark 14/15 torpedo exploders were even acknowledged. Apples and oranges admittedly but there was an acoustic homing torpedo in service, with confirmed kills, while the primary "dumb" torpedos were still exploding too early or not exploding on direct hits.
Mk 27's would swim out of a torpedo tube to stay quiet because the sub was most likely being pursued.
The air bubbles from a normal torpedo launch wouldn't bother the torpedoes hydrophones very much if at all. The warhead was 95lbs. of torpex or HBX. The intended targets were destroyer sized or smaller escorts and the goal was to immobilize the target or sink if the hit was lucky. I believe the Mk 27 had a fixed depth setting of 5- 10 ft for 2 reasons: 1) to avoid hitting own ship and 2) this would avoid messing around guessing what depth to set and makes manufacturing simpler.
Lt J S Launders DSC RN, commanding officer of HMS Venturer, tracked U- 864 for several hours using passive sonar and occasional periscope sightings of U- 864's periscope. The tracking party onboard HMS Venturer was able to see a zig zag pattern and were able to produce a firing solution and fired 4 torpedoes. Lt Launders made a guess that U- 864 would be at or very close to periscope depth and set the torpedo depth accordingly.
High tech from ages past. Great job Paul.
Thank you Paul, excellent video. I have seen training films for the air drop Fido, but I didn’t realize that was the heritage of the Cutie. It is great to learn some new history.
Shout-out to the auto body shop. That thing looks nice!
Thanks!
Thanks!❤
Thanks. That was interesting. I was aware of the Fido - but not the Mark 27 Mod 0.
The thing was - that for a long time - no one talked about the US Homing Torpedoes - as I believe their existence was classified.
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Thanks for the history lesson. Look forward to the next one.
I remember reading that USS Barb tried to fire the "Cutie" and nothing happened. Their theory was the cold temperatures quickly depleted the batteries so the torpedo swam out of the tube and quickly lost battery power and sank.
Very informative Paul and thanks for the Cod stickers you sent many years ago with the Cod Patch I purchased Greatings from the Phillpines
Glad it arrived okay! 🎉
Excellent history lesson on the cutie.
I visited the cavalla, and saw their cutie. I had no idea what it was, nor did I see anything explaining her💁🏽♂️.
Thank you for filling in the missing information 🤠
Very cool. I remember as a kid, none of the books would ever discuss the sonar guided torps, apparently still secret in the 1970's. So this was very informative. Of course Cleveland has a connection to the Mark 48's, built here at the Gould Ocean Systems factory for many years.
Congrats On the great episode done by Captain Todi of "Unauthorized History of the Pacific War Podcast" on USS Cod.
Another great episode!
Paul, each video that you produce absolutely amazes me !
It is truly astounding how so many different businesses and Universities worked to help win the War.
A lot of the things we use today are directly from WWII Technology.
Thank you, Paul, and USS Cod. This is a story I have not heard before. I know it is not part of your WW2 equipment, but a very interesting segment. Greetings from an old Army guy in Texas.
Thank you for teaching me for an entire subject that I knew zero about except that such things existed. Please, please sir, you having your fingers by that propeller is freaking out the safety alarms in my head. I know its non functional but still. 😊
Paul, wondering out loud here. When I've visited submarine museums I look for Japanese flags that were painted on the tubes? Cod does not have them, nor most of the other boats that I've been through. Yes, they do have their battle flags, which are very sharp, but no flags on their tubes. Was this more of a Hollywood creation than reality? Surface vessels have all sorts of flags going on. Just curious? Lastly, how would they know which tube was responsible? Did they just go by their watches, which hit first? Thanks again Paul!
Cod crew painted a flag or two in tube doors. We've toyed with the idea of recreating the door flags. The crew woukdcremember which spread sank a ship but perhaps not the exact tube or fish.
@@paulfarace9595 Thanks, Paul!
Great episode!
When I went through TM "A" School in mid 1963, one of the torpedoes taught was the Mk 27, even though we all knew we would never see another one. The Navy lagged in what it taught, because even when I went to sub school right after that, they were still teaching conventional subs, although they started teaching nukes before I left.
Went thru TM-A school in Orlando in 77 and they didn’t mention it then cause we had mk-37
Wow, didn't realize they had those! Always excited to see a new Cod video!👍 😃
Cool video, thanks for posting.
How about a video on the Mark 18 electric torpedo?
Coming
Great video Paul and crew! I always learn something new!
Very informative, Paul. Cheers.
Maybe you could use that againt the Chinese Carrier Lisoning and its two sister posied in the South China sea off the Phillpines 😮
Thanks again Paul and crew. Great job.
The air dropped Fido torpedo was so secret, that it could only be air dropped after a submarine had completely dived underwater to prevent it from being seen.
Well it was really only capable of killing a sub submerged... surfaced subs are cloaked by surface turbulence. But you're on the right track. ASW aircraft were ONLY allowed to drop a Fido over a SINGLE Uboat. If they suspected a second Uboat was in the area they were to let it go ornonky use conventional ASW weapons. The fear was the other Uboat would survive and report back that we were using homing torpedoes dropped from aircraft. The countermeasure would be rather simple to deploy by UBoats.
@@paulfarace9595 "surfaced subs are cloaked by surface turbulence". This is not true, "surface turbulence" does not acoustically mask/ cloak the U boat. The Mk 24 was a passive acoustical homing torpedo and being at depth or at the surface any surface turbulence is about the same to the torpedo. If the allies weren't afraid of the germans finding out we had acoustic homing torpedoes then they would have dropped them while the U boat was in plain sight and they would have made hits.
Love these, keep up the great work!
Another excellent video !
Cool video.
One question: Was the "Target Submarine " manned ?
I mean ... did you shoot a manned sub with a torpedo with no warhead ? Ok, no warhead , so no explosion but ... wasn't it still dangerous ?
( well, that would explain the balsa wood in the forward and after torpedo room ... )
Yes it was manned! We're going to do a program on these target subs someday.
tagged for future reference
I'd imagine that's what lead to the development of the ASROC system. Thanks 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
ASROC was an outgrowth of the Mk.43 RAT (rocket assisted torpedo). The lethality of subclass growing rapidly and we wanted to kill the enemy sub as far away from the defensive ships as possible. So throw it towards the enemy sub with a rocket booster. ASROC was a substantial enhancement over RAT.
Fascinating
Very interesting.
yeah pineapples fruit is more common than yellow lemon fruit sir sometimes and in some area
Interesting.
What was the date this thing was first deployed?
1950
Curious wher you ever in the Navy
No
Always sometimes?
Yes, maybe... 😅