At the pitch meeting for Monopoly Builder: "It's gonna be pretty hard to make people hate Monopoly more than they already do." "Actually It's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
And so we made it where the player who goes first is probably going to win. And we made it where the game may literally become impossible to complete. WHOOPS! Whoopsie!
It's far more likely this was one of about 30 ideas that were pitched and was likely given only a month or two to go from pitch to printer. In saying that, I'm not buying it.
Always love it when Tom's frustration, especially concerning Hasbro, erupts. There is no reason mass market games can't be good. Frustratingly, Hasbro has the cash to reinvent themselves into making good games, but they rather ignore the board game industry and make quick cashgrabs that continue to hurt the hobby. Hasbro earned every outburst Tom, and others, has directed at them.
What I love about Tom's rant is you can tell he is not ranting just for ranting sake. You can tell he genuinely wants the hobby to move forward and is sadden by the fact that this is probably going to sell more than all the other quality games that can be found at Target.
The hobby has moved forward though... trails, summer camp, funko games, and many other hobby style games are at mass market stores right now, monopoly used to be front and center now it’s not. Ya’ll making a bigger deal out of it than it is. Step outside of your gamer box and hang out with some casuals, they have code names, marvel United, and Catan right next to monopoly in their closets nowa days.
@@Sam-vk8xd I think you are misunderstanding the statement. For instance, most of the people I play with are not gamers, they are aware of codenames and the like, no point making accusations that we are stuck in "gamer boxes". Even so, most gamers are aware of what is out there. I was just making a note that in most cases the monopoly game will sell more just by recognition.
@@relativelyboard9959 then what was the statement about “the hobby moving forward” then? Monopoly will always sell. Forever and ever. And ever... and ever. And ever ever ever... ever. Everyone knows that. The hobby is moving forward. Full steam ahead. Seems like you missed the point of what I said there, buuuuuddddyyy.
At the end of the pitch meeting: "It doesn't need to be a good game. Just make the components as cheap as possible, put the word 'Monopoly' on the cover, and we'll make a ton of money."
What sucks is, this will probably outsell many many great games and parents who only know these kinds of games would go “oh cool you build buildings, that’s innovative”
Dang…when you started out with the broad concepts I was like “oh man, they might have found a way to make monopoly fun and interesting”, then you mentioned the end game conditions and the quality of components and I said “nevermind”.
Ditto! Conceptually this actually didn't sound half bad. I guess the true trashiness comes out in actual play. Ill stick to Monopoly Gamer as the only one worth a damn.
Coming soon to a Goodwill shelf near you! Nestled snuggly in between the Yahtzee set with the 3 missing dice and the used copy of Watch Ya Mouth (all resting on the past 43,238,782 editions of Scene It, of course.)
Tom I feel your pain. You are justified in slapping the game. Can we get a "Pitch Meeting" video about this game? It would be "barely an inconvenience".
Hey if someone could please clear this up for me, my board has different names, it doesnt have boardwalk, it had mayfair. It doesnt have st charles avenue, it has pall mall. Does that mean its fake? Also, another question i have is are we supposed to have to keep track of which building is which? If its not colour coordinated, how do we know which building we built is parkplace? Or are we just allowed to build on the same building even though its a different card?
What's up with all that gunk on the board? It looks like a ton of printing errors, or something on the property spaces. Like when the board was folded up, the ink bled out.
It looks like someone had some good ideas... and someone else ripped those ideas to shreds then glued some of those shreds to a monopoly board. I do think there is a game in there. But instead, mass market companies strike again >.>
Board games are in a golden age where all manner of games are designed, from children's to party to abstract to wargames. Yet Hasbro can only create derivative garbage of their old titles. There's a range of designers out there and they've got the cash to build upon their existing brand but we get this. Monopoly needs to die a slow death and them with it.
I fondly remember the times when the review would be you throwing a game like this from the rooftop or giving it to your daughters to put into the garbage bin by relay. AAAhhhh... memories!
I can't really tell, did Tom like this game or not? As a sidenote you've got to hand it to the people at Hasbro though, they really know how to make the original Monopoly look better than it is. Simply by making it worse with some new trash added to it.
8:05 Only because the yellow player (read Zee Garcia) has a slight advantage. Now, if it were the *Purple* player (read "You know who") with the slight advantage ... 🤔, that hat might've stayed on 😂
Hasbro makes me sad. So much power in their hands to introduce so many kids and families to something that could become a lifelong passion. But instead they aim for the lowest possible denominator and hit it.
Funfact: when Hasbro asked us last autumn if we would feature their newest games for Spiel Digital (we had an offline event in our boardgamecafe) we declined because they really had not one single appealing game coming out … Amazing how much money one can make in producing garbage for decades.
Was actually intrigued by this, and then I saw the paper money and knew this was going to be a funny one. Only 2 monopoly games I can recommend when playing with kids are Monopoly Deal and Monopoly Gamer.
I can't find this on BGG. Weird for a game that's in retail. Also, it's interesting Vasel bought it retail. Guess Hasbro have Dice Tower on a blacklist.
I think many people miss that Monopoly was originally meant to be a commentary on the flaws of capitalism. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, until they are homeless and just want to end it all.
The beginning of this video when he mentions Machi Koro and Catan made me wish Hasbro would license the Monopoly name to actual good designers. They could make some actually decent games that way...
Can they though? My understanding from seeing the games and the reviews is that Monopoly games are always made with certain elements always in the game- like those four corners, buying property and the roll & move mechanic. So can you build a great game around that?
Even with all the hate, the game was still rated TWO stars. Even the Kraft Heinz Variety Game Pack got two stars. I wonder what game will get only one star (or even zero if it's an option) from The Dice Tower.
Wow, at a glance at first it looked like maybe this had a seed of a chance of being a decent Monopoly themed version of Machi Koro. But, yikes! 😯 Personally I think Monopoly itself can be made to be kind of ok if you add the house rule that, instead of people automatically being able to buy any property they land on, that all unowned properties automatically go up for auction when someone lands on them. It makes it so players actually have to weigh how much they think all the properties are worth to them and reduces the amount of luck involved in the early game. The game still has issues but at least it’s a workable improvement.
Absolutely agree!! I foolishly allowed a sliver of hope that this game might do something better than standard Monopoly... that was a mistake! Thanks for the review Tom.
he missed some points that need to be said - when anyone rolls 6 -- everyone gets two resources of their OWN color; the yellow player only benefits at the very end -- for building the fourth level.
That's a shame, for a moment there I was hopeful that this might incorporate some of the ideas from Monopoly Tycoon but as soon as we saw the components that hope was shattered.
I feel like the game misses the point of Mayfair/expensivest property. That place gives you huge money because it’s hard to get to but now it’s worth getting because you get stuff on a seven! Also, Tom, have you tried monopoly cheaters editions? That one feels like it has the most potential to be an actual good game.
I watch a positive Tom review - and contemplate maybe buying the game when I can. I watch a negative Tom review - and immediately go to play it for my family and friends.
Is it only me, or are Tom's negative reviews, especially an angry one like this, soooo lovely! just go to 8:08 to see how passionate he is (in a negative way this time, but still!
lol! I get a kick out of watching Tom get angry at games. Honestly though, I hope it saves someone from buying it but we all know who buys these....auntie Margo and grandma who never played a boardgame and go by the looks of the cover for their son/nephew (daughter/niece). Then it makes it way to a cottage and dies a slow death on some shelf slowly being taken by mold.
that mustve been satisfying to drop the hammer on the building in the end (whilst saying Traassshh). Hasbro should really appreciate the fact that Tom STILL gives a neutral chance to even the Monopoly franchise....regardless of the fact the designers/publishers barely make an effort to earn that opportunity anymore. You gave them a chance, they blew it (again) and they'll continue to disappoint you going forward :( you deserve better Tom...they'll never change. (Yes Hasbro has become quite the Abusive Boardgame Publisher, so sad) But i still respect the fact as a reviewer you try to give mass market games...... ' A Chance'. Yeah that was a bad pun....ill get me coat :P Cheers for the review Tom
I don't recommend it in a house, I don't recommend it with a mouse, I don't recommend it in a box, I don't recommend it with a fox, I don't recommend it here or there, I don't recommend it anywhere, I do not like Monopoly Builder, I do not like it Tom I am.
The Dice Tower needs to issue a Seal of Shame for games that are so poorly designed or produced, they should not be played by anyone. Publishers would never display it but it'd be hilarious to see on a game's BGG entry.
Can we please get a Zee and Mike react to this review lol. Good stuff! Always appreciate your honesty. And thank you for standing up for good design and against lazy design!
When I saw the building pieces (like Manhattan) and that you collect resources based on rolls (like Catan), I thought this might be an interesting game to play with the kids. But the game quality could have been better, and that is an odd endgame condition?!?
At the pitch meeting for Monopoly Builder:
"It's gonna be pretty hard to make people hate Monopoly more than they already do."
"Actually It's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
Stealing concepts from other, better games and somehow making BOTH games worse in the process is TIGHT!
Okay, sir, I'm gonna need you to get ALL the way off my back about the Yellow Player's advantage!
- Ok, let me get off of that thing.
"Resources? That's from the other game!"
"That's from the other game, sir."
And so we made it where the player who goes first is probably going to win. And we made it where the game may literally become impossible to complete.
WHOOPS!
Whoopsie!
It's far more likely this was one of about 30 ideas that were pitched and was likely given only a month or two to go from pitch to printer. In saying that, I'm not buying it.
I love Tom's angry reviews.
+1
Me too. Saw this in my RUclips feed and it was an instant watch.
Lol. I think this is the first angry one I’ve seen. Did a lot of literal LOL’ing.
The best!
First there was the Angry Video Game Nerd. It’s time to introduce the Angry Board Game Nerd video series. I’d subscribe to that immediately.
Always love it when Tom's frustration, especially concerning Hasbro, erupts. There is no reason mass market games can't be good. Frustratingly, Hasbro has the cash to reinvent themselves into making good games, but they rather ignore the board game industry and make quick cashgrabs that continue to hurt the hobby. Hasbro earned every outburst Tom, and others, has directed at them.
Tom slapping the game was hilarious, should be remembered for posterity. This video made my week 🤣
“The feverish dream of someone’s nightmare at Hasbro euhhnnh”
Omg same. I absolutely CACKLED! 🤣🤣🤣
What I love about Tom's rant is you can tell he is not ranting just for ranting sake. You can tell he genuinely wants the hobby to move forward and is sadden by the fact that this is probably going to sell more than all the other quality games that can be found at Target.
That's the worst part about this. This will probably sell amazingly well.
The hobby has moved forward though... trails, summer camp, funko games, and many other hobby style games are at mass market stores right now, monopoly used to be front and center now it’s not. Ya’ll making a bigger deal out of it than it is.
Step outside of your gamer box and hang out with some casuals, they have code names, marvel United, and Catan right next to monopoly in their closets nowa days.
@@Sam-vk8xd I think you are misunderstanding the statement. For instance, most of the people I play with are not gamers, they are aware of codenames and the like, no point making accusations that we are stuck in "gamer boxes". Even so, most gamers are aware of what is out there. I was just making a note that in most cases the monopoly game will sell more just by recognition.
@@relativelyboard9959 then what was the statement about “the hobby moving forward” then? Monopoly will always sell. Forever and ever. And ever... and ever. And ever ever ever... ever. Everyone knows that. The hobby is moving forward. Full steam ahead. Seems like you missed the point of what I said there, buuuuuddddyyy.
At the end of the pitch meeting: "It doesn't need to be a good game. Just make the components as cheap as possible, put the word 'Monopoly' on the cover, and we'll make a ton of money."
What sucks is, this will probably outsell many many great games and parents who only know these kinds of games would go “oh cool you build buildings, that’s innovative”
Super easy barely an inconvinience!
Tom: puts up a video about a Monopoly variant.
Me: gets popcorn.
Tom so fired up, he's blowin' out the mic!
That's what compressors are for!
Get this nonsense outta my face!
“You can’t make Monopoly worse” Hasbro: “Hold my beer.”
Dang…when you started out with the broad concepts I was like “oh man, they might have found a way to make monopoly fun and interesting”, then you mentioned the end game conditions and the quality of components and I said “nevermind”.
Same!!!
Ditto! Conceptually this actually didn't sound half bad. I guess the true trashiness comes out in actual play.
Ill stick to Monopoly Gamer as the only one worth a damn.
well, that sounded promising ... the crumbled faster than I expected. WOW.
Coming soon to a Goodwill shelf near you! Nestled snuggly in between the Yahtzee set with the 3 missing dice and the used copy of Watch Ya Mouth (all resting on the past 43,238,782 editions of Scene It, of course.)
Which means it will start showing up on buy/sell Facebook groups for board games. 😂
"Alright, so let's say good things about the game"
🤐🤐🤐
Tom I feel your pain. You are justified in slapping the game. Can we get a "Pitch Meeting" video about this game? It would be "barely an inconvenience".
The finger guns at the end is just perfect.
Is that glue showing through the board?
I like Tom's rant videos :D Is there any list or way to find all "trash" game review ?
Don't hold back, Tom. What so you >really< think of the game?
Hey if someone could please clear this up for me, my board has different names, it doesnt have boardwalk, it had mayfair. It doesnt have st charles avenue, it has pall mall. Does that mean its fake?
Also, another question i have is are we supposed to have to keep track of which building is which? If its not colour coordinated, how do we know which building we built is parkplace? Or are we just allowed to build on the same building even though its a different card?
Hit the hammer a bit hard there at the end Tom. You should be more careful otherwise you may damage the board.
Exactly! Then it won't be as cool to watch him burn it in his grill!
What's up with all that gunk on the board? It looks like a ton of printing errors, or something on the property spaces. Like when the board was folded up, the ink bled out.
I’m surprised Tom didn’t run to his over like he did the door dash game
I actually forgot all about that
It looks like someone had some good ideas... and someone else ripped those ideas to shreds then glued some of those shreds to a monopoly board. I do think there is a game in there. But instead, mass market companies strike again >.>
Tom continues to try and give new versions of monopoly a chance, and continues to give us good angry reviews.
Board games are in a golden age where all manner of games are designed, from children's to party to abstract to wargames. Yet Hasbro can only create derivative garbage of their old titles. There's a range of designers out there and they've got the cash to build upon their existing brand but we get this. Monopoly needs to die a slow death and them with it.
Monopoly will always live on.
Where is the component drop?
what happens when there is a draw for the builders bonus card worth 5 points?
I fondly remember the times when the review would be you throwing a game like this from the rooftop or giving it to your daughters to put into the garbage bin by relay. AAAhhhh... memories!
Hi long does it take for a full play
I love seeing Tom do reviews like this. His emotion makes you realize how much he truly loves games.
That box slap came out of nowhere!
O.o. Sequel for Monopoly City? Just wait till Monopoly Pandemic Edition or Monopoly Ticket to Ride Edition, lol.
I can't really tell, did Tom like this game or not?
As a sidenote you've got to hand it to the people at Hasbro though, they really know how to make the original Monopoly look better than it is. Simply by making it worse with some new trash added to it.
A quality rant!
Love this review Tom… you are the best!
Wow we got to see Tom without a hat! That's probably the best to get out of this game! :D
8:05 Only because the yellow player (read Zee Garcia) has a slight advantage. Now, if it were the *Purple* player (read "You know who") with the slight advantage ... 🤔, that hat might've stayed on 😂
Haven't watched yet, but judging by these comments, I'm so ready
Hasbro makes me sad. So much power in their hands to introduce so many kids and families to something that could become a lifelong passion. But instead they aim for the lowest possible denominator and hit it.
I was really hoping for a cutaway (à la Moneyplane Honest Trailer) when he mentioned how he didn't think there was a pitch meeting.
Ahaha, I'm so sorry for your pain, but it makes for a great video. Thanks for taking the bullet for everyone out there!
Despite Tom's calm demeanor I felt a very subtle hint that he didn't like the game very much
Most entertaining review - ever!
Haha. Vent that righteous anger, Tom.
Totally agree with you, of course. And with the deserved tongue lashing you have dealt Hasbro here.
Well, I'm just a little bit disappointed that Tom used the hammer instead of an AXE for this one. You're too nice Tom!
Wouldn't wanna damage the table under it, right?
Is there a gif of him throwing the game box? That would be Epic
Funfact: when Hasbro asked us last autumn if we would feature their newest games for Spiel Digital (we had an offline event in our boardgamecafe) we declined because they really had not one single appealing game coming out …
Amazing how much money one can make in producing garbage for decades.
Was actually intrigued by this, and then I saw the paper money and knew this was going to be a funny one. Only 2 monopoly games I can recommend when playing with kids are Monopoly Deal and Monopoly Gamer.
check out Monopoly Tropical Tycoon
I am a fan of monopoly deal. I take that game camping all the time.
This deserves over a millions views.
Even brought the hammer back for this.
I can't find this on BGG. Weird for a game that's in retail.
Also, it's interesting Vasel bought it retail. Guess Hasbro have Dice Tower on a blacklist.
Hasbro doesn’t really care for reviews. Their stuff sells.
I think many people miss that Monopoly was originally meant to be a commentary on the flaws of capitalism.
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, until they are homeless and just want to end it all.
The beginning of this video when he mentions Machi Koro and Catan made me wish Hasbro would license the Monopoly name to actual good designers. They could make some actually decent games that way...
Monopoly is tainted and should stay that way. So when you see a Monopoly game you won't by chance pass up on a good game.
Can they though? My understanding from seeing the games and the reviews is that Monopoly games are always made with certain elements always in the game- like those four corners, buying property and the roll & move mechanic. So can you build a great game around that?
@@koalabrownie monopoly deal and monopoly gamer are good
Hahahah love that emotional flip at end
Even with all the hate, the game was still rated TWO stars. Even the Kraft Heinz Variety Game Pack got two stars.
I wonder what game will get only one star (or even zero if it's an option) from The Dice Tower.
Good on you to try! Frustration at end was amusing at least.
Good thing I came see the review before, great review 👏🏼
Love the enthusiasm!
« And I’m the dog.. sorry… the T. rex”
I love your reviews like this! Great list of good things :)
This might be my new favourite DT review
Wow, at a glance at first it looked like maybe this had a seed of a chance of being a decent Monopoly themed version of Machi Koro. But, yikes! 😯
Personally I think Monopoly itself can be made to be kind of ok if you add the house rule that, instead of people automatically being able to buy any property they land on, that all unowned properties automatically go up for auction when someone lands on them. It makes it so players actually have to weigh how much they think all the properties are worth to them and reduces the amount of luck involved in the early game. The game still has issues but at least it’s a workable improvement.
Absolutely agree!! I foolishly allowed a sliver of hope that this game might do something better than standard Monopoly... that was a mistake! Thanks for the review Tom.
Whenever I have a bad day I just turn on a video of Tom reviewing a Hasbro game
he missed some points that need to be said - when anyone rolls 6 -- everyone gets two resources of their OWN color; the yellow player only benefits at the very end -- for building the fourth level.
This reminds me of the Hasbro Game Mashups. Are you reviewing them sometime?
It's even better when you watch the final thoughts at 1.5 speed.
I'm addicted to this video
That's a shame, for a moment there I was hopeful that this might incorporate some of the ideas from Monopoly Tycoon but as soon as we saw the components that hope was shattered.
Favourite Dice Tower review ... EVER
Wingspan also at target now.
Don’t hold back, Tom. Say what you really feel 😜
I might be reading between the lines here but....was it not good?
Why did I enjoy seeing Tom let all that frustration out so much?
I think Tom is holding back ... I didn't see enough blood vessels.
I find something soothing about Tom Basel raging about monopoly…
It was so calm... and then not. OMG, best final thoughts ever.
I feel like the game misses the point of Mayfair/expensivest property. That place gives you huge money because it’s hard to get to but now it’s worth getting because you get stuff on a seven!
Also, Tom, have you tried monopoly cheaters editions? That one feels like it has the most potential to be an actual good game.
I watch a positive Tom review - and contemplate maybe buying the game when I can. I watch a negative Tom review - and immediately go to play it for my family and friends.
Reminds me of Monopoly City. Does anyone remember that game?
I think the dice in the intro is saying “it’s all right!!!”
I missed those kinds of videos :D
Actually that was one of the best reviews I have ever seen! Haha, great job, Tom, looking forward to watch more of these!
Hey Tom; please don't sugar coat it, tell us how you really feel.😆😁
Fun review ! I like it :)
As soon as he said "who cares" when talking about the money, I knew we were in for a treat.
What's with the board? The square streaks of... Ink? Filth?
Is it only me, or are Tom's negative reviews, especially an angry one like this, soooo lovely! just go to 8:08 to see how passionate he is (in a negative way this time, but still!
lol! I get a kick out of watching Tom get angry at games. Honestly though, I hope it saves someone from buying it but we all know who buys these....auntie Margo and grandma who never played a boardgame and go by the looks of the cover for their son/nephew (daughter/niece). Then it makes it way to a cottage and dies a slow death on some shelf slowly being taken by mold.
that mustve been satisfying to drop the hammer on the building in the end (whilst saying Traassshh). Hasbro should really appreciate the fact that Tom STILL gives a neutral chance to even the Monopoly franchise....regardless of the fact the designers/publishers barely make an effort to earn that opportunity anymore. You gave them a chance, they blew it (again) and they'll continue to disappoint you going forward :( you deserve better Tom...they'll never change. (Yes Hasbro has become quite the Abusive Boardgame Publisher, so sad)
But i still respect the fact as a reviewer you try to give mass market games...... ' A Chance'.
Yeah that was a bad pun....ill get me coat :P
Cheers for the review Tom
Best review in years !!,....Im still on the fence !!
I miss the component drops
the angry joe is channeled strong in this one :)
Angry Joe happens to have a large boardgame collection. What would it be like if he made a video with the dice tower? 🤣
Best Monopoly was Monopoly: Socalism. But then, it wasn't really Monopoly (the way Star Wars Risk wasn't really Risk).
I don't recommend it in a house, I don't recommend it with a mouse, I don't recommend it in a box, I don't recommend it with a fox, I don't recommend it here or there, I don't recommend it anywhere, I do not like Monopoly Builder, I do not like it Tom I am.
Perfection...I mean Tom, not the game.
The Dice Tower needs to issue a Seal of Shame for games that are so poorly designed or produced, they should not be played by anyone. Publishers would never display it but it'd be hilarious to see on a game's BGG entry.
Mocking and ridiculing as a seal?
😔
In fairness to Hasbro, I don't think they reached any of their Kickstarter stretch goals to make this a better quality game. 😂
Tom this was by far the best review ever! Likewise, thank you for calling out Hasbro!
Can we please get a Zee and Mike react to this review lol. Good stuff! Always appreciate your honesty. And thank you for standing up for good design and against lazy design!
When I saw the building pieces (like Manhattan) and that you collect resources based on rolls (like Catan), I thought this might be an interesting game to play with the kids. But the game quality could have been better, and that is an odd endgame condition?!?
So is there a "Dice Tower Disapproves" sticker we can start drop lifting?