$1 An Hour to Fight Largest Fire in CA History: Are Prison Firefighting Programs Slave Labor?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- democracynow.org - California relies on thousands of prisoners, including many women, to battle the wildfires burning statewide. Prisoner firefighters gain training and earn time off of their sentences for good behavior, typically two days off for each day served. But critics of the program say the state is exploiting prisoners’ eagerness to earn time for early release. While salaried firefighters earn an annual mean wage of $74,000 plus benefits, inmates earn just $2 per day with an additional $1 per hour when fighting an active fire. According to some estimates, California avoids spending about $80-$100 million a year by using prison labor to fight its biggest environmental problem. For more we speak with Romarilyn Ralston, a member of the California Coalition for Women Prisoners-LA Chapter, and the program coordinator for Project Rebound at Cal State University, Fullerton. Ralston was imprisoned for 23 years, during which time she worked as a fire camp trainer. We also speak with Deirdre Wilson, who was imprisoned for three-and-a-half years, and worked as a landscaper at a women’s fire camp in San Diego.
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They shouldn't be paid that low! Minimum wage to fight the fires! The Governor should say something and pay more!
Wendy Alexander, the Governor is a wealthy man but I don't think he has that kind of money.
$1/day? The Libertarian Utopia.
(Republikkkans and their dumbass self-deprecating followers).
The US doesn’t condemn slavery if it benefits us (see outsourced labor and prison industrial complex)
Jaidee Villaflor us or USA?
Sandy I suppose you can pose the double entendre card haha
The politicians should be replaced by prisoners, not only would it cost less, but the replacement politicians would have more in common with the average American than the current batch in office now.
For real. Meanwhile, these corporate thugs go terrorizing the rest of the world.
(They're so UGLY anyway. Inside and out. No wonder they are so vested in controlling others, because they can't control that ugly demonic troll that resides deep inside of their parasitic cancerous brains. FUGLY motherfuckers).
I guess ugly demonic troll is a metaphor for selling out.
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Of course it is slave labor..the US considers slavery to be perfectly legal if you first charge the person with a crime. It is guaranteed under the 13th amendment "There shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."
Slave labor is forced labor, and they are not forced.
Granville Higgins they are forced by the mere fact that they are imprisoned. They really don't have a choice, most go into work programs because our prisons are toture centers that anyone would want to escape and possibly get a chance to see sunlight, nature, etc, even if it's to escape to slave labor (another level of torture).
Let me put you in a cage, you can work at my business. No force just a cage you can't leave.
Slavery: "A civil relationship in which one person has absolute power over the life, fortune, and liberty of another." The representatives of the state have this power over prisoners. If they are coerced by those people to perform labor then it is by definition "slave labor". And they certainly are coerced.
Thank you!!!! Black Americans don't understand the importance of re-writing the 13th amendment . Even after the-chain gang, war on drugs, and hundreds of innocent males and females locked away for nothing. You can protest but the law is the same -slavery is legal.
I was a firefighter in California years ago and worked side-by-side with prisoners who were also working just as hard as the rest of us. It's a hard job that puts your life at risk. We had to pass physical and written exams and undergo lengthy training. Firefighters are desperately needed - more and more with climate change. I hope they can work this out to the benefit of all.
This would be a good thing if it were really an opportunity to get job training that would allow the prisoners to become firefighters when they are released.
I'm surprised US citizens want compete for jobs with slaves, this has to depress wages in the US, I'm not talking about these fire fighting jobs, but, when corporations use prison labour...
This is even worse than corporations employing undocumented immigrants, so I agree, how do non-prisoners compete with slave labor?
Sven K-H --- The companies should have to pay minimum wage to the prisoners if they want their labour, money raised should go into a bank account for when they leave prison, so they have a better chance of making it upon release...
It's also why US citizens have been supporting illegal immigrants. It's cheaper than actually paying US citizens living wages.
A fair pay for working prisoners could have a healing effect on broken families. In many cases, It might work as an incentive for criminals to turn their lifes around and to provide for their partners and kids with a little paycheck from inside of prison. This will help them to reinforce a vital support system that will boost their reintegration into society, once they return to freedom ...
This is not only unconstitutional ,but disgusting ! Also dangerous!
Eliseville Just because Congress writes a law does not mean it's constitutional. Congress has been writing law's for years that go against the C onstitution and the Bill of Rights!
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Unlike mainstream news media.
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Is why wanna wish we were whitewall whitewashed; "whites" are being blatantly burnt black!!!!
This is so sad they exploit the prisoners for slave labor and provide them no gratitude for their loyal service to the state. These people deserve to be immediately hired upon release. Also they need to be getting paid fair wages WHILE they are in prison
Doesn't matter if they are locked up or not. They are performing a service. They deserve to be paid for That .
Totally agree. 👍
California had a young woman crushed to death by a falling rock in rough terrain where she was participating in this fire program. Her parents had to pay for her burial. They should have the same protections as any other workers IMHO.
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Yea prision labor has always been slave labor, the 13th made sure of that.
So glad you gave us another year's installment of this continuing story.
If course it is. It's written in our constitution. Let's not ask silly questions you already know the answer to.
Jim Crow in affect!
This is slavery, no ifs ands or buts. It would be one thing if you HEAVILY reduced the sentence and paid at least a bit more than it wouldn't be so bad, but this is exploitation.
An incarcerated Black woman justifying the prison industrial complex. Crazy how the cycle has completed itself. Thanks integration 😁
2 dollar per day for risking your life, thats crazy and if you die there is no security your family get nothing, if this is not slavery i dont know what is.
Despicable how this society treats those in captivity
great documentary called 13th shows this more in debt.I mean depth.
When a law abiding wild land firefighter goes for a raise....they're told nope , we will get more free prisoners. Great system you have there remember you get what you pay for. Also if you have a criminal record you've a hope in hell of getting a state job as a firefighter.
Are you kidding, they are all volunteers. Nobody forced them to become firefighters. Becoming a firefighter as a prisoner is a privilege.
Inmates fire fighters
get paid 2 dollars a day on camp
1 dollar per hour on the front line saving people lives.
Amy, would love to see a report on where our service and manufacturing jobs really went - then parlay it with the privatized prison system, and the non-violent prisoners from the failed War on Drugs. Everything from shower doors to food stuffs and 411 operators are now provided for within the prison system - at the average of .12 an hour.
The reason why these inmates get to be firefighters is because they have a non violent charge that they are doing time. Also they have clearance to be able to work in this supposedly free world. They get paid peanuts But they would rather do their time putting out a fire than being stuck in prison walled society. Yes they are not paid correctly. Especially since California has had some devastating fires. We the people may thinks it’s cheap labor. Prison pay that amount ie license plates. They make license plates and I’m sure the pay for that is even lower. Take a look and do the research that during George W Bush administration how many people got incarcerated during his terms for violent and many many were for nonviolent crimes. They locked up many many people for non violent offenses. These are the jobs that are available for non violent offenders.
COMPLETELY FALSE about not being able to work for the state of CA fire depts after working on a firecrew while incarcerated/serving time in a a CA firecamp . This video is ridiculous. Of course an inmate is not going to be able to parole and head directly into a carreer as a certified firefighter. There are courses and more training is available for those (whom earn positive reference letters, get pointed in right direction, etc.) that genuinely want to continue in this field. This is a fact because I know a minimum of 4 former inmates who have paroled and 7+ years later) continue to have full time jobs with different fire stations, helitack crews, park ranger services, and more between southern and northern CA fire stations.
You see, fire camps and the training you receive and the hard labor that is required of inmates comes with great benefits as well as GREAT rewards. - BUT only for the small percentage whom actually take full advantage of all the benefits and give 100% while working as an inmate firefighter. Those of us whom perform like a firefighter and not an inmate get treated AND respected like a firefighter because that is what we are/were. We go through strenuous/serious physical training as well as classroom training and tests before we ever leave prison and must qualify/pass on all the timed hikes, fire shelter deployment, cutting line, laying hose, and I could go on and on. Not to mention the extra time off of your sentence (for 1/2 timers) which is a HUGE incentive to m,ake it to a camp and bust your ass and work for that measely $1- an hour on fires. It's not about the money while incarcerated. It's about bettering yourself (that was my choice, at least) being positive and grateful, getting better visits, family weekend visits in your own private cabin on the camp premises, eating (most of the time) amazing food, hiking and exploring beautiful mountains and terrain around your assigned camp and just being able to be out in the free world, - DAILY.
I paroled from Los Angeles County Conservation Camp #13 in Malibu in July of 2011 rather than late March of 2012 just because of working as an inmate firegfighter. 8+ additional months off of my 52 month sentence. I did 19 months total , - about 35% of my entire sentence. Being an inmate firefighter is and was a PRIVELEGE and my life today is worth a whole lot more because I was put in the right direction (yes, also by my choice) and I left/paroled mentally focused and clear, in the best physical shape of my life, with self respect, confidence, and success in mind for my future I have continued in that direction as of this presnt moment in time 7+ years later.
And no inmate is forced to go through with it and be obligated to risk their lives to fight wildland fires, do strenuous outside labor, or "slave labor" as some of you are referring to it, etc. etc. As inmates, it's our choice but we have to requset it and we have to earn it. -There are also non-grade firecamp inmates. Those are inmate who attempted but just couldn't pass required physical fire training requirements for whatever reason. -And those inmates get to work on the firecamp grounds and also get paid, get additional time off their sentences, do not EVER have to fight fires or go out on day jobs with their crew and foreman and/or captains (depending what camp you're at) , etc. etc.
I left with amazing reference letters from 2 separate CA fire/forestry personal. I stopped using and selling drugs after 12+ years of doing so. I have not returned to prison . I knew I was worth so much more.
Anyway, It feels pretty good to be a contributing/ civilized/ law abiding/ hard working/ tax paying regular joe and just an all around better person today .
I give my respect to all those in the fire fighting industry and more. What a unique and rewarding experience I was so fortunate to have due to firecamp.
That was just a bit of my story.
Crew 4 LA County Conservatio Camp #13 in Malibu.
I am eternally grateful.👩🚒 🚒🔥💘👨🚒
Ralston is a very effective speaker and advocate: I hope to hear more from her and I wish her well in her pursuit of justice. Her point that incarcerating a prisoner costs as much yearly as it would cost to pay them to work in this field was especially eye opening. It pains me that we would rather pay so much to lock people up instead of helping them to earn enough to contribute their talents to society at large.
YES Y'ALL YO YESHUA BROWNSKIN bold brave brother: It is well written: "Let My People Go...or Else"...SON of SOLARSUN
This is not slave labor. I work in the California courts and inmates request to belong to fire camp all the time. It is a privilege and an honor. No, we are not going to pay prisoners a wage. That would be counterintuitive to punishment for crimes. The skills they learn are not just for fighting fires. They help them work as a productive teammate in a variety of professions when they are released. No, you won’t be a fire fighter. Or a policeman. Or a court employee for that matter. But it will help you as you can learn life skills from it. It is one hundred percent volunteer. No one is forced to do this. You can sit in your bunk all day. Some inmates choose to do this.
how nice. let them volunteer out of will to help california and then get spat back out with nothing. no chance to become anything more than an "ex-con". recidivism should be beholden to you now, and obviously of why it happens. those who work these fire camps should absolutely, depending on their past crimes, be allowed to work as a fire fighter. i love how its fine to have them walking about when they are in prison stripes, but as soon as their in the free world, its imposed felony restrictions on many licensing.
Do you even have to ask? YES.
There's a difference. Slave labor is forced. These are volunteers and can leave the fire line if they wish.
I was a convicted a youth offender & did 2 years as a firefighter in Washington Ridge .
$1 per hour for fighting fires? That's hardly worth the time and effort, not even for prison inmates. I wouldn't give the money *directly* to the inmates, what I would do is write a cheque to the families of the inmates, that way they can afford to do what they need to live.
They do the same thing to service men and women. They can be emt's and nurses in the military but when they become civilians they are not considered qualified.
Lets face it, slavery is never going away. Federal, State and local governments will see to that.
All those agencies are made up of individuals who work to make changes & many have a conscious, so you never know.
Firefighters in California are definitely trained. Prisoners who fight fire are actually fighters of fire who are not firefighters officially.
Do these prisoners given insurance?
they do take care of all medical expenses
I get that this is a terrible thing, but it kind of pisses me off that they bring two women on the show. Women make up like less then 2% of the millions in prison. Good intentions, but come on now.
This is slave labor. Godbless them all ♥️
Yes prisoners have died but lets not worry about that..... lets re focus our conversation
Probably find that the prisoner's labour is being invoiced to the State at around $5-10 an hour, so someone will gain financially from it. Either way, seems like a good idea to get prisoners to assist the state especially during periods of emergency but $1 an hour is just plain wrong - something out of 'The Shawshank Redemption' going on here .
Kamala Harris propped up this policy
Modern legal mandatory slavery. 😳😳😳
It is actually quite encouraging that legislation could be passed that these prisoners could be encouraged to lessen time by being active in their own survival, by fighting fire in the prison communities they defend, onsite. It is actually quite encouraging that prisoners can make money, taking into consideration the money used and needed to house and feed the prisoners. I believe this assignation can only be voluntary.
Solution: Continue this program but with the following changes: 1. All state and county savings from prison labor should be used to provide tuition-free two year technical training and job placement, including school books, supplies and transportation for low income and at risk students for all high-demand career fields. This will help prevent criminals in the first place by providing job opportunities to those in financial need, 2) Require all prisoners that take part in the prison labor program to maintain a high standard of moral behavior and character that foster peace, equality, and diversity among other fellow inmates throughout the prison, and 3) eliminate any fraud, corruption, and abuse that these existing prison-labor programs might have that the public is not privy to.
why the fuck are you trying to solve problems... that doesnt make you as much money
The Netflix documentary "13th", about the 13th Amendment comes to mind.
I actually know a male young Asian American who had to drop out of a strident firefighter school due to injury. It is really probably in the United States, California, the best firefighter schooling and training program in the world, probably. California just really as with the Federal government, really has strident laws opening or closing certain avenues of work to people who have been incarcerated, usually on a one one one, case by case basis. Each state has its own laws to determine whether those who have been in jail or prison can vote. California probably has one of the most thorough and humanpositive county by county and statewide programs to encourage US NGOs to help former prisoners rehabilitate back into society for reintegration.
Now did that make any sense? So they training to be a firefighter but can't be a firefighter? So WHY allow them to put their life on the line? #PrisonersLivesMatter
One of my long time friends (in prison) were fighting these fires
I hope he/she is okay.
Managing fires isn't easy.
And these people risk their lives on $1 a day.
Beyond criminal.
Corporate thugs need to put out these fires in shackles.
Cowards.
1 fucking dollar. Fuck that bullshit. Just give them the minimum wage.
Being in a small town, with a big county ares, I work with CCWF FF all day long. Laws have semi changed since this. They can now be hired by FDs. We are a full volunteer FD dept in Chowchill. The women at CCWF are professionals, who train more than anyone else. They are amazing and can outwork most of anyone, and are all humble as no one can imagine, We love and appreciate every one of them as FD sisters, do anything we can for them, and will do anything for them. Locally, this is wrong, FD is the BEST job you can get in prison. You are not assigned to it by any means, you apply over and over, have served X amount of sentence already, and have to be the best of the best. And that they are.
Having a choice is the difference. I have a choice not to work 5 days a week until im 85, I may be homeless or starve but its still a choice. They can stay in prison and not get good time or money for phone calls, but its still a choice. Im not saying the choice is good, but it is a choice. If your going to say this is slave labor, then all people are slaves of the economic system...
I asked my self why that is relevant when no american who works a full time minimum wage job can afford a 1 bedroom apartment. maybe you should ask yourself why it cost $75k to house an inmate when the minimum wage is $21k a year.
Fire camp was the best thing I experienced in prison.
Wheres my reporations 😂
It is slave labor because it both removes possible jobs for Citizens, but also create incentives to have harsher than needed penalties for lesser crimes and so on. For example, if you did something that would normally give you 1 year in prison. You suddenly get 3 years instead because there is a rampant need for firefighters during the summers of that area or similar.
If you are going to inslave them, at least provide them a decent living condition free from gangs and drugs
I believe "on the front line" for these "fire camps" means, let us help, get our incarceration time lessened, and physically contribute to not burning down when the fires might reach us very, very soon. It is kind of really a good, emergency kind of program.
15$/h should be their wage...simple
It is true that ex-inmates cannot get hired on with Cal Fire. But can be hired on with other wildland fire agencies. And for the record, inmates do the vast majority of the work on the fire line all over California and in return, are treated as slaves, receiving little to no credit...🤫
No matter their crime they deserve MORE money and LESS time for their service. Also, for the sake of the communities facing these wild fires there needs to be a Special Firefighters Class that allows these heros to work following release. Obviously they can learn the job, are not fearful of fire, and need jobs on release, everyone benefits!
about 15% of the california firefighters are prison labor ... paid about $1 / hour ... but that's ok with me because i already pay $60,000 or more /year with my california taxes for jail, house, roof, meals, bed, drinks, medical bills, dogs, guns, security, counseling, court fees, re-education, food, shower, clothing, shoes, tv, books, jail keepers, admin, clerks, everything ... think Amy, think ! ... now, go fight some more windmills, will you ? ... and yes, i also pay the $1/hr with my california taxes ...
Better than staying in a cell... I mean good for them giving back to your community while serving
$1 per hour is plenty and probably too much. It's actually a lot of money when you don't have rent, food, clothing, utilities, health insurance, or education expenses to worry about. What else are they going to spent $160/month on? Junk food? Poker cards? On top of all of this, inmates can also take 33.3% to 66.6% off of their sentence. The California government already pays for inmates to the tune of nearly $71,000 per prisoner per year. (Source: lao.ca.gov/policyareas/cj/6_cj_inmatecost) And if you behave, and you do well, when you get out, there's the possibility of a job as a real firefighter making an average yearly salary of $69,172. Those salaries typically start from $36,606 and go up to $104,584, and that doesn't include overtime and benefits. So, yeah, it's a good deal if inmates make it worth it their while. In exchange for the prisoners saving the state money and saving lives, they get a new life and a chance at a real meaningful career when they parole. And I agree with her that the new EMT requirements are bogus and outrageous. Another regulatory hurdle put into place by corrupt unions to protect jobs of cronies and unfair to prisoners. Shame on them.
2 days for putting your life on the line. That sounds like a great deal......
They also DO NOT PAY FOR BURIAL IF KILLED IN SERVICE. This harkins back to a twelfth hour amendment to the 13th Amendent to our Constitution in 1976. Look it up. "except when duly convicted of a crime". Why did nobody notice the writing on the barn had changed? "two legs good four legs bad".
Prisoners don’t get to choose to be fire fighters. Firefighting facilities only take level 1 & level 2 offenders. All inmates have a “Counselor” who determines where your going to do your time. U can mention that u would like to go. But it’s not up to the inmate. It’s up to the system where your headed.
It’s part of your dues back to society for committing a crime.
This is a great idea to have prisoners do this. We spent lots of money for prisons and jails. Let them give something back to society instead of taking. I can assure most of these people doing this would must rather have this kind of prison life than that of one in the big house. The people complaining here have no clue what the life is like behind bars. I was a prison guard many years ago, I would take this any day over a cell. I would do this for free instead of a cell. I would do this even without time off instead of a cell. No clue people, get all the facts before you start championing a cause that needs no champion.
If we pay them a fair wage, they might save money and not do crimes again. We wouldn't want that, now would we? Gotta keep the poor poor and the imprisoned imprisoned. You get out, you can't get a job, cuz you're a con, you go back in and the cycle continues until you die. You're a cattle. Moo for the butcher's blade!
JAIL REFORM!!! There shouldn’t be anymore prisoners. Supply UNiversal Basic Income for all for 10 years & reform this “prison system” & welcome the “block chain”.
$1 an hour?! Jeez that's like $1 an hour less than non-incarcerated fire fighters.
women talkin bout a man's job
I can't really see what the problem is. You should be able to solve this easily by letting these women and men be able to validate their knowledge. Based on the outcome of those validations they could receive an individualized education. It would be a terrible waste of valuable knowledge not to take advantage of their practical insights which can only be achieved by experiencing the challenges faced. These people have put their lives in danger! I think they have earned it. In the future we will be allowed to pay these men and women a lot to get a share of their highly specialized knowledge. And what can I say about the treatment of these people today. Well, it is America. And this administration have really opened our eyes to what you have become: Insane corruption, modern(?) slavery, child abusers and a middleclass whose greed and selfishness have desensitized themselves, to become, emotional cripples. Because that jacket did not really lie about America as a nation: You don't really care, do you? If you have to choose between your own comfort/privilege and your neighbor's children health or even their lives, you think your one comfort is more important.
Oh wow, they are only good enough to help fight the fires but not good enough to get employment doing it after they serve their time, thats some bullshit!
people need to be educated. the dollar per hour is on Fires only in addition to a wage they receive while incarcerated. These folks are not Forced to join Fire Crews, they Volunteer. and a few depending on their crime commited go on to become career fire fighters. please don't distort the truth.
where did you get the information they become career fire fighters?
Do they get any safety net if they get hurt?!
We should let all the prisoners go free. We can put them up in Amy Goodman's house.
They are throwing prisoners crumbs, holding a carrot in there faces!
Leslie Sinclair
Leslie Sinclair
14 hours ago
This is pissing me off. Slavery never ended. America railroads poor people into prison on bogus charges knowing they have no financial resources to defend themselves. Then they exploit them as a slave labor force. Over 2000 prisoners are risking their lives to fight fires including YOUTH! Are you serious? Children are risking their lives fighting fires? That should be considered child endangerment and abuse. It saves California $80 million dollars a year. Yet, the entire practice is destroying Black families. I swear you people are vultures! You will be the first to say Blacks do nothing for the country. Still you hunt us, cage us, exploit us! Those prisoners are saving you $80 million dollars a year? That sounds like something to me you ungrateful, degenerate, greedy, evil bastards. God should let the whole state burn up in flames and drop into the ocean. Good riddance to bad rubbish!
this could be a good program, but the problem is as some have said, the pay is paltry and once they get out they cant be fire fighters anyway.
It’s a privilege!!!!!!
You are correct , as a crew member in the 90s I was in jail and volunteered . It gave me some dignity , integrity and self worth. It redirected my life and I became a productive member of society and I am truly grateful that I was given that opportunity . No amount of money could have given me what I took away from fire camp. The system works if you want it to work
So should we pay them min wage? No I say just commute sentences
The prisoners are not forced to do it they signup for it
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ASK OTHER COUNTRIES TO COME AND HELP. THEY COULD FLY PLANES FULL OF WATER. LIKE 100 PLANES.
prison need 13 dollar an hour --that bullshit a dollar!
Don't you thing you owe them big time.
You should now realise them, doing such dangerous job 😔
I don't see anything wrong with this if they are volunteering. in fact, what's the alternative? to stay in your cell all day.
Yeah but that's the thing if no one's hiring them what's the point of the credits if they don't have enough to get hired for of those jobs they're risking their lives and working along side real firefighters so im sure they learned alot especially if they're doing the harder more dangerous parts of the job... also she just said if they have a record..well obviously they have a record if they served time and most folks don't hire felons that's why most are repeated offenders trying to survive so once their out why can't something be done with their record or have something set uo for them to get jobs( this is the system I'm talking about)
they are volunteers. there are no conscripts.
They volunteer for this lmfao, not only do they get paid but they work for early release, were talking about felons, burglary, attempted murder and so on
What do they do during this long rainy season?
Damn this fire made y'all snowflakes melt fast
Not as fast as your fucking mouth spewing shit like a teeny weeny coward that you ARE.
My guy was doing this he said it was worth it because they knocked your time off, he said everybody was tryna volunteer hahahah they make it sound all bad on this shii I would’ve done it too get a couple months off your time go home
what stops them from running away?
When they get out that should make them real firefighters have hire them the cities hair them
Omfg you cannot do that to prisoners. That shit is deadly
YES
So who are heroes?
The actual people who stand up and fight for a good cause.
The people who actually walk the walk.
People whom are backbone to society, yet "we" (pejorative term for elites) treat them like shit.
This is America
Lover of cheap labor
And when they are released will your fire department hire them
We hope
Nope can’t be firefighter if you went to prison.
Nice liberal spin ! And no, they should not be allowed to vote, period !
Sometimes it is not voluntary?
Smh from slaves to criminals the name changed but the job stayed the same..SMH "this is America" in my childish Gambino voice....