Steve, Good video...thank you As a mechanical Engineer who has designed many automated production systems, I will be buying the "Onefinity Woodworker X50" for my shop. It is well designed and built with a great company and active user base behind it. Linear Guide rails and bearing assemblies are an excellent choice for this application. The Y axis guide, rails are ~ 2" dia X ~ 1/4" wall hardened steel, polished and chromed tube, specifically designed for use in motion control systems. They are stacked vertically, one above the other. This is well thought out and very important. The vertical axis stiffness increases by the cube (8X) of the change in depth of the construct (assembly). The tubes are each very stiff on their own, in all axis. Stacking the tubes Gives the assembly very high stiffness in the vertical axis. The Guide rail assemblies consist of 50mm dia (~2") X 6mm (~1/4" ) wall steel tubes, with matching, precision, long life, 2" dia advanced polymer linear bearings. There are 4ea. of these monsters on the "Y" axis and 2ea. 35mm assemblies on the Gantry "X" axis. The "Z" axis also uses a smaller version of this assembly...Sometimes "overkill is good" especially for reliability and long operating life in a production environment. The Onefinity X-50 Has 4ea. NEMA 23+ stepper motors driving ~3/4" dia. precision ball screws and ball nuts for the highest precision, long life and low maintenance. This machine is built very much as I would have designed it for a production environment. The ease of set up, wireless remote, overall excellent design, quality of construction and customer support makes the Onefinity WW X-50 an easy choice for me.
I have the Onefinity Woodworker. This is my first experience with a CNC so everything has been a learning experience. I have been very happy with the Onefinity and they have a very helpful and active forum and that helps a lot. If I were to do it all again I would still go with the Onefinity.
I just put my new longmill mk2 together yesterday, the mk2 rails are quite different than the mk1. The stiffness of the rails is one reason I chose the longmill, I did see a review a while ago showing the onefinity vs longmill tested for rail stiffness and the round rails on the onefinity actually had more flex. Another reason for me to go with longmill is that sienci labs is based only a couple hours away from me in Ontario, Canada, and from everything I've read they have excellent customer service.
Another reasons is though @onefinity is based in Ontario and local, their prices being USD and shipping is wild in contrast to the sienci. Also, affirm not working for Canadians either kind of sucks for those looking to get a little heftier machine, but can’t justify the price points. This video breaks down down the price points but they are WAY MORE in Canadian dollars.
I have a longmill and love it. I've had it since November 2021 and don't have any issues with it. The v-wheela only wear out if they are improperly setup. As for the accuracy, between the two, I consider that very minor. The biggest deciding factor for me was the 3-6 month lead time on delivery for the onefinity.
I got the onefinity back in November 2021 and love it. I was sold on the rail system they use, and I am not disappointed. I am extremely happy with it. It looks like the only advantage the longmill has is price. You will want to also get the xbox controller for the onefinity.
I ordered the onefinity woodworker x-50, The rails, bearings and ball screw are what finally sold me. I did not order the controller, but from what I have read they have the exact same one on amazon so I will order it from there soon.
I had a Shapeoko XXL and sold it to go with the Onefinity Woodworker. It's hands down more rigid which makes a more repeatable machine. You will still need to clean the bearings. You still need a computer to run the build program. I just added a set of wipers to help keep the dust off the ball screw, so time will tell if that helps. The touch probe works really well but my biggest complaint is they don't have a bit setter option. Don't order their dust boot. The one that Carbide 3D offers is less expensive and mounts to the router body. Much better design. I had mine together in less than 45 minutes. VERY easy to put together! Hope this helps
I love the price on the Longmill MK2. Thats where it ends for me. Onefinity has better bearings over the Longmill (pillow block over wheels). The wheels that the Longmill uses are prone to wear out due to wood carvings/dust. I prefer the bearing block for longer use. You must make the choice between use. I have watched so many videos on the CNC. I have heard so much about these wheels. Places that use these wheels offer replacement wheels in the parts list. You never see the pillow block being replaced. Then there is the dust factor. It dosent matter if you have dust collection there will always be dust. The pillow block has better dust protection. Is it perfect NO, but It has a lot less issues. I have watched the setup videos on both. They both use the same stepping motor, Nema 23. The ball screw has less backlash over the lead screw. But you have th make the decision. Me Im going for the Onefinity.
I have the Onefinity.Woodworker X35 It is an absolute beast of a machine. I am using easel pro software. The machine is rock solid and the support community behind the Onefinity as well as their customers support is just top notch. I can not speak to the long mill. ball screws and steel tubbing with included controller is easily worth another $1K.
I ended up going with the Onefinity Woodworker X-50, Just posted video on that, Putting machine together now!! ruclips.net/video/l0lDn2ZWTtk/видео.html
I’ve been looking at the long mill and onefinity. I don’t see the purpose of ball screws in a machine like this. In fact, I found forums posts and videos on them getting clogged, which is exactly why I though they aren’t used in wood machines very often. That and frankly the precision isn’t warranted in wood work. I also messed with one and didn’t find the hollow tubes to be completely rigid, while I’ve seen people stand in their longmill X axis while it’s running. With some of the new things from long mill like the new touch block, inductive sensors, it seem like a pretty big jump in price for something that doesn’t benefit much in this application. Now if you were going to throw a spindle on there and cut steel, then yeah I suppose it does. But then again I’d go for a different machine for that.
@@doublereno yeah I think they’d both be great, it’s just interesting the different takes on these router cnc’s. Belt, lead screw, belts, i think they all would be just fine. One thing I forgot, ballscrews do have a big speed advantage. So if you are going to run it for production that might be the big reason you go this route.
Sounds like you were gonna buy the Onefinity at about the three minute mark. Not sure if you are going to do small market or hobby stuff - but I am not sure this was an apples to apples comparison. Good to point out how different they are though. At this range, I would think the accountant in me would look at that price difference prreeettty hard. Thanks
I really enjoyed your video. I too was narrowing my decision toward onefinite woodworker or the longmill bench top. One thing I might add is the need to set aside money for the software used to run the machines.
@@dnelsongb I was really going back and forth, one thing was the lead time was shorter on the woodworker, and as silly as it seems, the space I have to put the machine was perfect for the woodworker. The Journeyman would still fit, but I just took that as a sign and went with the woodworker. Knowing that if I decide at a later date I really need the extra cutting area I can upgrade.
Hello, really enjoy your vids for many years. Which currency are you using? Seems the MK2 vs X50 is a very popular comparison....both 🇨🇦designed and made hobby level CNC. I too have been doing the research. Onefinity uses US$ pricing which is an additional currency cost for us Canadians which I personally feel is a detriment. I wonder about it being a corporate value or philosophy? Popular marketing such as buy local, buy Canadian has been a benefit to many...but pay foreign US dollars rubs this Canuck the wrong way...wonder if it's just me or do I have it wrong about pricing?
Caption on longmill is misleading, it says you are testing mk2 but all your pictures are the mk1. The mk2 has different extrusions which are much stiffer, have a lot less flex than the onefinity. I actually saw a video where a person stood on the mk2 and it moved no problem without flexing.
I got Longmill MK2, the linear guides of onefinity definitely loos better, but there was no any i formation about the guides, the few photos i found at the time i was looking didn't show anything close to 2" pipe with 1/4 wall, the wall was looking more like 1/8. The cross section of MK2 extrusion is larger, and under simulation is stiffer than onefinity pipes. Staking pipes also is not the best way to improve the rigidity. Beside the fact that the longmill extrusions are stiffer the V wheel guides are a downside, onefinity linear guides are superior and at the end the stiffness of two machine may be is the same. Ball screws definitely better, but the problem is not so much in the type but the size, longmill screws are really small diameter, also i don't like the bearing they have. For both machines simple Nema 23 i think are small, it lead to problems especially with longmill Y. I am replacing the standard stepper with stepper plus encoders, hope this will solve the Y axis issue. Anoter issue Longmill has is the controller, it's arduino based, the arduino itself is very bad design, and the controller pcb do not improve the situation. It's impossible to have a compressor around, i power my from a different breaker but doesn't help, when going off affect the controller. But is not only the compressor that make troubles, looks it own drivers generate enough interferences to bug it. Until i was working with wood only was ok if i am not using the compressor, when try on aluminum, where the stepper current is high the controller start making problems, missing not steps but G commands.
I've got a cnc4newbie with rack and pinion and a longmill. It doesn't suffer from backlash like the longmill with a lead screw. Its an awesome machine and has been virtually maintenance free. What's really unbelievable is as heavy it is they don't charge a dime for shipping. Did you ever get one?
I believe they both run nema 23 stepper motors they both run grbl for G-Code these are the two machines I narrowed it down to as they're both within 2 hours of where I live I ended up going with the one Infinity for the functionality of their controller touch screen able to hook it up to the Wi-Fi this is an upgrade from an old saying smart desktop model I cannot go wrong with these machines as their customer support is very good I made direct contact with both customer supports while making my decision both companies are very helpful
I agree, I think they probably are both very good machines. All I ever found on Onefinity website on stepper motors is that the x-50 has bigger than the x-35, I will message them and see if they can tell me for sure.
My mistake, onefinity was another machine I was considering as well as shapeoko. Decided to go with the longmill as I felt it was the most bang for the buck, and the reviews I saw from many people. So far I like my longmill MK2 30x30, just got it this week and starting to play around with it.
Get the Onefinity. I’ve got a LongMill MK2 48x30 and it’s #1 not reliable, #2 not upgradable and 3 can only do what a palm router can do. It’s 2023 and my advice is never buy a CNC that uses v-wheels or belts. I now primarily use my QueenAnt Pro 2.2kw spindle and will do anything I want it to do. Hey we live and learn.
well i doubt construction of all machines RN, the xcarve , longmill and onefinity. Hear me out first, xcarve and longmill have wheels which are just not advisable, xcarve works on belts which is also not good, , onefinity has rods and linear bearings which sound better but the Y1 and Y2 axis are not attached in any way so I am very skeptical about it being squared in the long run, I would like it to be squared and not open frame, I feel the same about longmill as its opened too. and onefinity uses ball screw unlike the inferior belt or the lead screws. and xcarve feels like a low cost build , m building one 1500mm x 1500mm under 600 bucks and all gantries are steel, laser cut . though the ideal machine would be a square steel frame and with linear rails and ballscrew as the drive and all metal construction with precise 34 kg nema 23 or even 34 and an all metal , single unit z axis with ball screw and all mounted on a thick steel backing , but that will cost 7-10k but could be done cheap as a project
@@doublereno Yes, buy the big one. Some day you will want to step up your game and need that capacity. If you, do you will want to move up and you will lose the money you saved by buying smaller. I learned that a long time ago. Don't play " work up ". commit the first time. Regards, Lee
Steve, Good video...thank you
As a mechanical Engineer who has designed many automated production systems, I will be buying the "Onefinity Woodworker X50" for my shop. It is well designed and built with a great company and active user base behind it.
Linear Guide rails and bearing assemblies are an excellent choice for this application. The Y axis guide, rails are ~ 2" dia X ~ 1/4" wall hardened steel, polished and chromed tube, specifically designed for use in motion control systems.
They are stacked vertically, one above the other. This is well thought out and very important.
The vertical axis stiffness increases by the cube (8X) of the change in depth of the construct (assembly). The tubes are each very stiff on their own, in all axis. Stacking the tubes Gives the assembly very high stiffness in the vertical axis.
The Guide rail assemblies consist of 50mm dia (~2") X 6mm (~1/4" ) wall steel tubes, with matching, precision, long life, 2" dia advanced polymer linear bearings. There are 4ea. of these monsters on the "Y" axis and 2ea. 35mm assemblies on the Gantry "X" axis. The "Z" axis also uses a smaller version of this assembly...Sometimes "overkill is good" especially for reliability and long operating life in a production environment.
The Onefinity X-50 Has 4ea. NEMA 23+ stepper motors driving ~3/4" dia. precision ball screws and ball nuts for the highest precision, long life and low maintenance. This machine is built very much as I would have designed it for a production environment.
The ease of set up, wireless remote, overall excellent design, quality of construction and customer support makes the Onefinity WW X-50 an easy choice for me.
I have the Onefinity Woodworker. This is my first experience with a CNC so everything has been a learning experience. I have been very happy with the Onefinity and they have a very helpful and active forum and that helps a lot. If I were to do it all again I would still go with the Onefinity.
Thanks for your comments, I have noticed the same thing about the Onefini9ty forum, very helpful community.
I just put my new longmill mk2 together yesterday, the mk2 rails are quite different than the mk1. The stiffness of the rails is one reason I chose the longmill, I did see a review a while ago showing the onefinity vs longmill tested for rail stiffness and the round rails on the onefinity actually had more flex. Another reason for me to go with longmill is that sienci labs is based only a couple hours away from me in Ontario, Canada, and from everything I've read they have excellent customer service.
We're also in Ontario, Canada (newmarket to be exact :P )
Another reasons is though @onefinity is based in Ontario and local, their prices being USD and shipping is wild in contrast to the sienci. Also, affirm not working for Canadians either kind of sucks for those looking to get a little heftier machine, but can’t justify the price points. This video breaks down down the price points but they are WAY MORE in Canadian dollars.
I have a longmill and love it. I've had it since November 2021 and don't have any issues with it. The v-wheela only wear out if they are improperly setup. As for the accuracy, between the two, I consider that very minor. The biggest deciding factor for me was the 3-6 month lead time on delivery for the onefinity.
I think the Longmill is a fine machine. I think the ball screw and the bearings is what finally pushed me to the Onefinity though.
I also ordered the Longmill due to the long lead ship time...
I got the onefinity back in November 2021 and love it. I was sold on the rail system they use, and I am not disappointed. I am extremely happy with it. It looks like the only advantage the longmill has is price. You will want to also get the xbox controller for the onefinity.
I ordered the onefinity woodworker x-50, The rails, bearings and ball screw are what finally sold me. I did not order the controller, but from what I have read they have the exact same one on amazon so I will order it from there soon.
I had a Shapeoko XXL and sold it to go with the Onefinity Woodworker. It's hands down more rigid which makes a more repeatable machine. You will still need to clean the bearings. You still need a computer to run the build program. I just added a set of wipers to help keep the dust off the ball screw, so time will tell if that helps. The touch probe works really well but my biggest complaint is they don't have a bit setter option. Don't order their dust boot. The one that Carbide 3D offers is less expensive and mounts to the router body. Much better design.
I had mine together in less than 45 minutes. VERY easy to put together! Hope this helps
Hi Basil, I am not familiar with what you mean by wipers to keep the dust off the ball screw, could you explain, thanks, Ross.
Great comparison. I purchased the MK2 because they offer the 30x48 option which is the size I wanted when I started my search. Best wishes.
so does onefinity
We now have a 42x32 and even a 4 foot by 4 foot option!
I love the price on the Longmill MK2. Thats where it ends for me. Onefinity has better bearings over the Longmill (pillow block over wheels). The wheels that the Longmill uses are prone to wear out due to wood carvings/dust. I prefer the bearing block for longer use. You must make the choice between use. I have watched so many videos on the CNC. I have heard so much about these wheels. Places that use these wheels offer replacement wheels in the parts list. You never see the pillow block being replaced. Then there is the dust factor. It dosent matter if you have dust collection there will always be dust. The pillow block has better dust protection. Is it perfect NO, but It has a lot less issues. I have watched the setup videos on both. They both use the same stepping motor, Nema 23. The ball screw has less backlash over the lead screw. But you have th make the decision. Me Im going for the Onefinity.
I like your analysis, I went with the Onefinity too, it is a beast
Great information, thank you for sharing your research! I’m interested to hear your decision; I’m leaning toward the Onefinity.
Your welcome, I am too, just have to decide if the extra cost is worth it
I have the Onefinity.Woodworker X35 It is an absolute beast of a machine. I am using easel pro software. The machine is rock solid and the support community behind the Onefinity as well as their customers support is just top notch. I can not speak to the long mill. ball screws and steel tubbing with included controller is easily worth another $1K.
I ended up going with the Onefinity Woodworker X-50, Just posted video on that, Putting machine together now!! ruclips.net/video/l0lDn2ZWTtk/видео.html
Thank you for the great comparison. Much appreciated.
Your Welcome, wi9ll have a video out this week showing what I got along with the accessories.
I’ve been looking at the long mill and onefinity. I don’t see the purpose of ball screws in a machine like this. In fact, I found forums posts and videos on them getting clogged, which is exactly why I though they aren’t used in wood machines very often. That and frankly the precision isn’t warranted in wood work. I also messed with one and didn’t find the hollow tubes to be completely rigid, while I’ve seen people stand in their longmill X axis while it’s running. With some of the new things from long mill like the new touch block, inductive sensors, it seem like a pretty big jump in price for something that doesn’t benefit much in this application. Now if you were going to throw a spindle on there and cut steel, then yeah I suppose it does. But then again I’d go for a different machine for that.
I think you can't go wrong with either machine, I just ended up feeling a little better about the Onefinity, Time will tell,,,Thanks for watching
@@doublereno yeah I think they’d both be great, it’s just interesting the different takes on these router cnc’s. Belt, lead screw, belts, i think they all would be just fine. One thing I forgot, ballscrews do have a big speed advantage. So if you are going to run it for production that might be the big reason you go this route.
Sounds like you were gonna buy the Onefinity at about the three minute mark.
Not sure if you are going to do small market or hobby stuff - but I am not sure this was an apples to apples comparison.
Good to point out how different they are though. At this range, I would think the accountant in me would look at that price difference prreeettty hard.
Thanks
I really enjoyed your video. I too was narrowing my decision toward onefinite woodworker or the longmill bench top. One thing I might add is the need to set aside money for the software used to run the machines.
Yes, depending on what you choose you can sink some money in software, I ended up going with VCarve Pro. I am putting my Onefinity together right now.
Thank you for sharing, were in the same boat!
I have decided on the Onefinity woodworker X-50
@@doublereno why did you choose that one over the Journeyman?
@@dnelsongb I was really going back and forth, one thing was the lead time was shorter on the woodworker, and as silly as it seems, the space I have to put the machine was perfect for the woodworker. The Journeyman would still fit, but I just took that as a sign and went with the woodworker. Knowing that if I decide at a later date I really need the extra cutting area I can upgrade.
Could you stand on the gantry of the onefinity and run a program
Hello, really enjoy your vids for many years. Which currency are you using?
Seems the MK2 vs X50 is a very popular comparison....both 🇨🇦designed and made hobby level CNC. I too have been doing the research. Onefinity uses US$ pricing which is an additional currency cost for us Canadians which I personally feel is a detriment. I wonder about it being a corporate value or philosophy? Popular marketing such as buy local, buy Canadian has been a benefit to many...but pay foreign US dollars rubs this Canuck the wrong way...wonder if it's just me or do I have it wrong about pricing?
Not really sure, I’m in US, so not sure how all that works, I have been happy with Onefinity so far, thanks for watching
Caption on longmill is misleading, it says you are testing mk2 but all your pictures are the mk1. The mk2 has different extrusions which are much stiffer, have a lot less flex than the onefinity. I actually saw a video where a person stood on the mk2 and it moved no problem without flexing.
I would go with Longmill if I had a budget of under $2000. Onefinity if it's $3000.
I enjoyed the video and I get that you were asking for opinions but it sounds like you made up your mind before you posted this video lol
LOL you are probably right. I did have a pretty good idea, but you know sometimes it helps to talk it out a little!
I got Longmill MK2, the linear guides of onefinity definitely loos better, but there was no any i formation about the guides, the few photos i found at the time i was looking didn't show anything close to 2" pipe with 1/4 wall, the wall was looking more like 1/8. The cross section of MK2 extrusion is larger, and under simulation is stiffer than onefinity pipes. Staking pipes also is not the best way to improve the rigidity. Beside the fact that the longmill extrusions are stiffer the V wheel guides are a downside, onefinity linear guides are superior and at the end the stiffness of two machine may be is the same. Ball screws definitely better, but the problem is not so much in the type but the size, longmill screws are really small diameter, also i don't like the bearing they have. For both machines simple Nema 23 i think are small, it lead to problems especially with longmill Y. I am replacing the standard stepper with stepper plus encoders, hope this will solve the Y axis issue. Anoter issue Longmill has is the controller, it's arduino based, the arduino itself is very bad design, and the controller pcb do not improve the situation. It's impossible to have a compressor around, i power my from a different breaker but doesn't help, when going off affect the controller. But is not only the compressor that make troubles, looks it own drivers generate enough interferences to bug it. Until i was working with wood only was ok if i am not using the compressor, when try on aluminum, where the stepper current is high the controller start making problems, missing not steps but G commands.
Which did you go with?
Why not the CNC4Newbie ? That’s the one I’m leaning towards.
Honestly, I had not seen that one
I've got a cnc4newbie with rack and pinion and a longmill. It doesn't suffer from backlash like the longmill with a lead screw. Its an awesome machine and has been virtually maintenance free. What's really unbelievable is as heavy it is they don't charge a dime for shipping.
Did you ever get one?
I believe they both run nema 23 stepper motors they both run grbl for G-Code these are the two machines I narrowed it down to as they're both within 2 hours of where I live I ended up going with the one Infinity for the functionality of their controller touch screen able to hook it up to the Wi-Fi this is an upgrade from an old saying smart desktop model I cannot go wrong with these machines as their customer support is very good I made direct contact with both customer supports while making my decision both companies are very helpful
I agree, I think they probably are both very good machines. All I ever found on Onefinity website on stepper motors is that the x-50 has bigger than the x-35, I will message them and see if they can tell me for sure.
How can they both be within 2 hours of you? Sienci Labs is based in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada and I believe Onefinity is in California aren't they?
@@penguinhobbs Onefinity is located in Bradford Ontario both are Canadian companies in Ontario
My mistake, onefinity was another machine I was considering as well as shapeoko. Decided to go with the longmill as I felt it was the most bang for the buck, and the reviews I saw from many people. So far I like my longmill MK2 30x30, just got it this week and starting to play around with it.
Remember the 80 dollar import tax upon delivery from Canada. Long mill runs nema 23 steppers. Not sure about onefinity.
They already hit me up for it, $87
If you haven't ordered yet message me I have the onefinity x50 48x32 cut area and I had a longmill difference is pretty substantial.
I did order, ordered the Onefinity Woodworker X-50, which one do you prefer after having both?
Are you selling yours? I'm looking to purchase one
Which would you recommend, Maxify?
Which one do you prefer?
I've been debating these two machines for months. It sure would help if you have posted your experience rather than asking for a PM from OP
So which one did you end up going with?
According to your information it's a no-brainer for me the one finity hands down you will forget about the money once you pay for it
Get the Onefinity. I’ve got a LongMill MK2 48x30 and it’s #1 not reliable, #2 not upgradable and 3 can only do what a palm router can do. It’s 2023 and my advice is never buy a CNC that uses v-wheels or belts. I now primarily use my QueenAnt Pro 2.2kw spindle and will do anything I want it to do. Hey we live and learn.
well i doubt construction of all machines RN, the xcarve , longmill and onefinity. Hear me out first, xcarve and longmill have wheels which are just not advisable, xcarve works on belts which is also not good, , onefinity has rods and linear bearings which sound better but the Y1 and Y2 axis are not attached in any way so I am very skeptical about it being squared in the long run, I would like it to be squared and not open frame, I feel the same about longmill as its opened too. and onefinity uses ball screw unlike the inferior belt or the lead screws. and xcarve feels like a low cost build , m building one 1500mm x 1500mm under 600 bucks and all gantries are steel, laser cut . though the ideal machine would be a square steel frame and with linear rails and ballscrew as the drive and all metal construction with precise 34 kg nema 23 or even 34 and an all metal , single unit z axis with ball screw and all mounted on a thick steel backing , but that will cost 7-10k but could be done cheap as a project
Interesting, get the biggest one you can afford.
I have heard that from a lot of people, Now you got me wondering if i should get the 49 x 32!
Having never of touched one myself I can't give you any recommendation. I'm pretty sure you will choose wisely.
LOL Thanks Glenn
@@doublereno Yes, buy the big one. Some day you will want to step up your game and need that capacity. If you, do you will want to move up and you will lose the money you saved by buying smaller. I learned that a long time ago. Don't play " work up ". commit the first time.
Regards,
Lee