Late Winter Update - Compost heat, shipping, bamboo experiment and more
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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A number of small updates in one spot :)
Compost heating experiment is ready for some next steps, happy to take on notes and ideas from folks here...
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Happy growing!
Big tables are so useful and that one looks STURDY! 🤗
I love that table
So glad!
You're so peaceful sounding, brother
Thank you
Thank you kindly!
Nice haircut! Failure is sadly part of gardening/ farming experience. The deep snow allowed the rabbits to debark all my fruit trees despite using 2 foot hardware cloth tree guards. I guess I should have wrapped them up with burlap. We live and learn. Take care and good luck.
Yikes, sorry to read that
@@edibleacres Thanks for your videos. You always focus on the positive aspects of things and least intrusive/harmful/expensive solutions. You give hope and positive vibes to your listeners. Wishing you the best in the new growing season.
I love the care you have for wildlife and the ecosystem diversity to allow them comfort and homeliness
We are trying in our small way
I’m so ready for spring!
Oh my gosh yes!
Beautiful picnic table!
Thank you! 😊
It's been a week, I need this one today. Calm tones, wise words, sleeping bounty, and good vibes. Sitting in my Attic Garden among my greens, herbs and Spring seedlings, wishing a smooth weekend to y'all! 💚
Hey Charles we're happy to have you with us and hope you find good peace and rest. Thanks for being a part of our journey
good hair, good info, good channel. Thx!
Good!
Always love your videos. Charles Dowding has videos of hot bed use in his greenhouse. He uses them every year for keeping seedlings warm, I believe.
I'm watching the video now and want to say that I'd love to see a video of how you made that beautiful table and benches.
We have found that when Spring hits, the air is different here in Western MA; tends to be a drop in temp and it seems colder.
Interesting observation
I hope to build a tunnel this year and enjoy seeing how well yours is doing with the compost helping the heating. Nice hair cut! My guy got his done today.
Tis the season for less hair! Happy building!
I love how you mix simple strategies like free heat from compost with technology like the temperature probes ... very cool. I wonder with your idea on seed starting if you put an air exchanger, similar to a cold room, just to provide a bit of air exchange, remove any rancidity.
I bet a tube with a fan running through this and sending the aroma/heat to other destinations could have been helpful
Real steal with any usable boards for a dollar! :-) Nice gathering area.
We really hope so
I saw an interesting video the other day and thought I'd share it here as I'm sure someone somewhere will find value in it.
Not sure I've ever heard y'all mention whether or not you have problems with insects burrowing into any young trees in winter time, especially considering you offer them lots of homes just for them, but it might be something you'd find quaint and maybe even useful on some level.
It was a short video about elder women in South Korea who knit/crochet 'sweaters' for trees around the city. It gives insects something to snuggle into rather than the bark of their precious trees and they look lovely, heartwarming in fact.
The video is called 'People In South Korea Crocheted Blankets For Trees To Prepare Them For Winter And It’s So Wholesome' on a channel called Almost....yeah helluva title 😆but worth the watch.
I'd imagine y'all have a home somewhere there that's full of sassy gals willing to knock one or 2 out if they were given some hooks and yarn! Some bright sweaters on trees in winter may do the Spirit some good as well, involuntary smiles feel good.
Fun story, thank you for sharing!
Love the haircut!
Awesome content! Thanks for the update!!!
glad you like it :)
LOL I was going to say, that picnic table probably weighs 500 pounds. 😆
Really glad to see the bamboo gone. You are out there so frequently that if it did root, you would have been able to react before it really anchored in. But it's still best to not tempt fate. It did look fantastic though. I always love a 100% natural look, especially when things leaf out in the growing season. There is so much going on in there that it will still look amazing even with more hard elements in there.
The table is probably around 200 pounds and will most likely outlive me. I like building things that I can take off my list of having to ever do again in my lifetime and locust helps with that!
I wish the bamboo could be in there but yeah, less management later is almost always a good thing in this life :)
I'd be tempted to put a pallet on top of the compost and lay out your seed trays on that. The heat rising will be enough to boost germination.
Some sort of break makes sense...
Love the Hair!
Glad!
Our friend at Red Gardens in Ireland wasn't the only gardener who had a toxic/noxious gas build up in a hot bed & dead/nearly dead plants. I saw another vid, but can't remember which channel. Apparently, it often happens to 1st timers.
The Queen of hotbed gowing is Dirtpatch Heaven in Idaho who manages to garden through sub-zero temps.
Great reminder to revisit some of her experiments, she's awesome!
@EdibleAcres She recently mentioned she lets her beds heat peak, then adds plants as they cool down.
One bed peaked at about 165 degrees. Rabbit poop is not really hot, but I bet the rabbit urine sent it soaring.
Would love to see how you made that table even if it was 90 seconds very cool
I'll share my experience using a compost pile to start seeds in my poly tunnel. I built a compost bin for the same purposes as you're playing with now. If I did it again, I'd place some kind of air barrier layer over the top of the active compost, and reduce air movement upward. I'll use a layer of mature compost on top of that, seedlings sitting right on the loose compost beneath them.
A few reasons for that suggestion: The plastic layer will help hold heat by preventing the air flowing from the top of the hot compost from taking the heat with it. This will change the type of heat you're subjecting your seedlings to. Instead of hot moving (If only slightly) air, the seedlings would feel simple radiant heat emanating from the pile below. I suspect the barrier to upward air movement might also keep the pile warmer, and a more consistent range of temps.
The layer of old compost on top of the vapor barrier plays a role as insulation, or maybe two roles: it reduces heat loss from the compost pile below, and allows you to control the temperature of your seedlings as well, by adding or removing a layer of compost.
I did much the same last year, except without the vapor barrier. I had trouble with inconsistent heat for the seedlings. The pleasant heat was certainly noticeable when you walked into the tunnel, much like you found when you arrived at your tunnel.
Great input here and makes sense... I'm a little less into putting plastic down since I'd like the pile to be able to breathe a little and if I'm watering from the top I don't want pools of water under the flats... I wonder about a nice cushy hay layer and then burlap packed a bit with wood chip and charcoal to absorb a lot but also breathe a little... Hmmm, things to consider
🎉 Yay Spring is coming! Love to see how the high tunnel is going. Thanks for all the recordings! Good ideas, need to buy a thermometer for my garden, etc...
Like you, it has been a constant failing chore on keeping our pets out, keeping deer out. Fishing line and/or yarn going across keeps the deer out! Chicken wire keeps them all out! 😅
A lot of work to try to find what keeps certain animals out without building a straight up fort!
For the bottom heat, I forget what is it made out of? It's possible that you are getting scaling on it, that is acting as an electrical and thermal insulator? It may be worth digging it out this summer and trying to scrape some scaling off it is there. The other possibility is just the wiring like you mentioned here.
It is a coated wire, 'jumpstart soil warming cable' is what it is, a 48' one. I ordered a new one and Juan and I replaced it yesterday and it is working better. I'm keeping the first since I couldn't see any signs of failure, but not sure where I'd use it.. .Maybe a dump load for a solar array down the line if the ohms of the line match
Everything coming along nicely there Sean, a little cooler where I am but getting yancy to get the season cranking ☺️
Can't wait!
i wove pliable bamboo through hog wire, straight up. that made a visually tall enough fence to keep out deer, and when you look, you see bamboo, not wire.
I think I’ve seen people put like a pallet over the compost for seed starting. If there’s enough heat rising it may offer a chance for some of the vapors to off gas without harming the seed starting trays. Maybe a simple frame if fence wire or hardware cloth could accomplish a similar air gap?
That could make sense. We have the room for that although it's a bit clunky so I may explore other similar options...
You would like the book: "Hot beds" by Jack First. He tells you in detail how to make hot beds.
Great note thank you!
I daresay the pups worked on that bamboo obstacle...
doggedly.
Ah yes :)
I’ve heard that a layer of finished compost can be used as a bio filter to cap an active compost pile and absorb some of the odors. I learned this from the people that do static aerated pile composting. I suppose you could even plant into that soil if you wanted.
Yep... I think that is very very true. Just finished setting in motion another trial with that premise being tested. Took a bunch of video so I'll share that experiment soon... Glad we are thinking in similar ways
Label those dataloggers.
If you can condense that moisture inside the high tunnel, that will keep more of the warmth inside. Condensation on the exterior walls is heat lost.
Looking good.
Yep, they are labeled in their settings and have it written on the back. We'll see if they do a decent job. A lot of reviews said they lacked accuracy, but I'm OK within 2-5% for the purpose of this experiment so hopefully their resolution will be OK to get a sense...
Love the heat cable I use a heat tape for water lines and remove the thermostat 👍🏻 not sure if that helps.
Grow mint bushes around your garden boundary, dogs and cats hate it !
Also you can bring sprigs of mint into your home and place underneath cupboards,beds, furniture etc which also doubles as a flea and mite deterrent! 💪👍
In regards to your compost pile, the pungent odor you referred to will be methane off gassing and this is also the reason you mentioned from your friend stating seedlings die off!
Two things best to do now with your compost pile is either...
1 . Dig a hole in the centre and add a tube with lots of holes in it to introduce oxygen to it so it can of gass easier and also diminish methane build up or....
2 . Dig out entire compost pile and replace it all back upside down, downside up.
This will re-aerate entire compost pile and allow aerobic (good microbes) to propagate further also it shall begin the composting process further enhancing you end product!
Either of these methods shall greatly improve the nutrient value of the compost itself!
I'm a grower of tunnel produce myself if you're wondering how I know this method!
Your doing well ❤️👍
Glad you are somewhat suspicious of data trackers! We live in a crazy world!
Possibly use a small fan to circulate air above the transplants
That could be a nice thing to do by dy
I wonder how much having the compost in the middle instead of the corner would help with warming the whole high tunnel.
I bet it would help a lot more, but unfortunately this is the layout that happened early on. Maybe something to explore again later
good. Bamboo that's not clumping is such a bad idea. You should get serval clumping bamboo samples it's worth it.
We haev some but they have been really not strong or hardy in our landscapes for some reason
Do you know of any cold hardy clumping bamboos? The ones I’ve seen are warmer than zone 5b. I only grow running bamboo in containers though
Do you ship comfrey to California?
We enjoy your videos. Thank you Al
We do but we are sold out for spring. edibleacres.org/permaculture-nurseries has a great list of other folks who offer it
I like it maybe more cardboard on top
Wanted to hear your take on merging different kinds of hens and chickens in one coop/run. I've moved in to a lovely commune, where hens have been providing the house with eggs for many years now, and primarily the race bought for that, has been ISA Brown. I've taken over the responsibility of the hens now, and am loving learning new things every day - however I also learned that the ISA hen, that laid on the random eggs we bought in a hurry, when she went fertile, now being two lovely Mille Fleur D'Uccles, are not accepted in the flock. I know that ISA Brown are notoriously known for being harsh on newbies, but what have you done/would do? I see you have some ISAs too. I would love to not get rid of my lovely little ones, but they are forced to sit on a ladder all day, so they are out of bully height from the other ones. Not a respectable life to give such mild and talkative chickens. I have a big run, a big coop, open compost like you do, they have access to many different areas in the run, and I'm left frustrated of why they still need to be bullying the two Mille Fleur, now going on for half a year... What is your experience/advice? Bests from Copenhagen
Hmmm... Not sure how to give specific advise. Perhaps we've just been lucky but we've found integrating new hens to be pretty easy. We focus on making the integration day be as abundant as possible, double or triple the grain, bring in a ton of compost that day, turn a bunch... seems to take the edge off . I wonder if MORE diversity of new hens would help stir up the strata a bit and with ample ample bonus protein and snacks and adventures they may not be so focused on enforcing hierarchy? Best of luck!
Do you think the compost is lacking good oxygen ventilation due to the side metal panels? If so could drill tiny vent holes through the metal.
Possibility ... We could slide up the bottom a little to let more air in if needed
Oh my, now that hair is quite a change. Don't get me wrong you look handsome (I assume, I'm a guy it's just a guess), but damn that looks so strange on you. I used to have short hair back in the day. What I liked the most was going out right after getting a hair cut and feeling the air blow through. That feeling of the air going over your skin feels neat. Of course that assumes the hair is short enough or thin enough, lol. 🤣
PS I was originally going to mention that I would suggest putting the charcoal on top of your compost before you put down any hay. It might even allow the bio-loading of the charcoal itself. I don't know how much if any you put into your pile already, but I would think it would help to limit the bad gas problem. Obviously it would not hurt to work some in and then to cap the whole pile with a thin layer of charcoal.
Yep, the hair is a change... A little shocking maybe but more functional and comfortable so that matters more to me than looks. It'll settle into something reasonable :)
We'll share notes on the charcoal, right now we're making a bunch in the wood stove so we have some options... We can always find uses for charcoal around here!
Does the inkbird record temperatures even if it’s not connected to Bluetooth?
Yes. They have 2 AAA batteries and record at whatever interval you set. I set them for 5 minutes because I don't need hyper accurate. TBD if they are good.. The app is junky but I'm hoping they give decent enough resolution to help me understand whats happening. Not suggesting folks buy them or not at this point...
@@edibleacres let us know if you have more thoughts as you use this! seems much more cost effective than the sensor push brand
What kind of join did you do to get the table sans screwtop?
Looking forward to the propagation tub video!
Really dig your idea for dealing with the gases. Some holes in carefully placed areas might work to vent the gases along with what you suggested.
Not so much a fancy joint by ANY stretch, just screws coming up from below :) This is some beginner/intermediate stuff but with strong screws and incredibly strong wood with quality butt joints it should be good until I'm too old to care!
We are getting blasted with that storm rite now. Very nasty out. I've tried doing that with the compost, I just don't think I'm mixing it right.
Often it’s not wet enough
You likely also need manure...but that's likely what causes the noxious/toxic gasses. Best to wait until the pile heats-up, peaks & then begins to drop before placing seedlings on the pile.
When we get compost heating experiments stalling early or not getting up to temperature, they are often too dry... Most common problem in our setup
As a nursery do you have to have inspections?
We do get inspections
@@edibleacres thats sad, I was thinking about starting a business. The state of Missouri's nursery law is confusing. I'll have to read it a couple more times. I thought I have to scedual an inspection for $50 to 150.
Try to encourage local wild life such as voles, cats whilst popular are not native and can be destructive in this endeavour.
I've been reading about terra preta and wondering how the DNA of terra preta might compare to the DNA of your soil?
Hmmmm
Wow! $1/board? You suck! Just kidding (jealousy is so ugly, but there you go, I suffer from it- often pointed at you. Hahaaa) That's a beautiful space. I love the flagstone also.
:)
I've cultivated a relationship with this mill for 13 years now and they happen to have these old bound piles of 1x4 and 1x6 that were just off enough to not meet spec for a buyer. They were tucked WAY back behind things and I tend to wander and ask questions... Made them an offer for everything and $800 later we've got wood to make projects for years and years.
@@edibleacres, that's awesome. What a find.
Regarding the compost seed starting, I remember that video from RED gardens, and thought of it a couple days ago when I watched Huw Richards' video on the same concept.
ruclips.net/video/z3y5BB8qOvA/видео.html&ab_channel=HuwRichards
I don't remember him addressing the gas buildup in his video and how he might have dealt with it, but maybe some info there that will help your purposes.
Thanks for sharing this
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