One thing nobody mentions. HE WAS THERE. That's better than a lot of Dads. Where I live, a lot of Dads forced cnception then disappeared. She could do SO much worse than unforgettable happy safe memories for the kids and utterly unwavering, unfaltering, unfailing fidelity.
That's because they were both Divorcees in real life. They been through this song and dance with their own respective partners. It's not even improvisation, it's method acting at this point.
True the mom was the bad guy that she the bad guy she told him not to make her be and she is the one that made herself be the bad guy all the father did was treat his son's day of birth like it is a important day because it was the day he was born and at the end of the day because she was upset that her son disobeyed with her father so it was in spite of the father-and-son I know she won't tell the Sun that but it didn't today that's why she divorced him therefore it's because she was mad at both of them
@@higurashianduminekoconnect1702 That's not quite accurate. Years ago I would have agreed, as that's how I felt when I first watched this movie. However getting older and rewatching this, it's safe to say they're both in the wrong. For starters, while Daniel means well, he is very immature and irresponsible. While he quit for noble reasons, it's implied that he couldn't hold down a job properly before, for reasons more petty. Also the birthday party while the cause of the fight in this instance, was merely the last straw. It's implied they've fought before and initially the reason they didn't divorce then, was because they thought they still loved each other. Much of why she seems like the bad guy is because she's often the one who has to lay down the law and hand out the punishments, while he gets to be the fun parent. The kids pretty much taking advantage of that every chance they get. It was then and there she realized, while Daniel was probably in denial that she fell out of love with him. It wasn't until he became Mrs. Doubtfire, that he started to own up to his past faults. Laying down the law when he needs to as well as learning how to properly take care of the kids. In the first scene in the apartment, his home was a mess and he couldn't cook food, so they had Chinese Takeout. Then later on when his worker came to check on him, he straightened the place out, then picked up on cooking skills to better play the part of the strict but fun British nanny. While Miranda has her fair share of faults too. Such as trying her hardest to push him out of their kids lives, before he took on the persona. She does indeed have a heart and it showed when she realized how far she went in the legal proceedings after the reveal. The entire aesop of this movie was that neither parent is perfect, but they try their best to do what they think is right. As shown in the end where he was able to see the kids again while Doubtfire gives divorce advice to a kid fan.
Daniel's response to that 10 second lifetime of silence. I wish I'd realised Robin Williams was such an unmatched expert in pain and sorrow. He delivered so perfectly bc he knew, without experience. He put himself into that role, to turn his pain into something beautiful.
Worst part is that even though it wasn't his fault, Chris's birthday is now forever going to be a reminder of when his mother decided to divorce his father. It's forever ruined.
@amin sadeghpour That's right. The day when the divorce was finalized and Daniel had all his things to move out, Chris told Daniel that it's all his fault that if he didn't have a birthday or a party, the divorce wouldn't of happened where Daniel then said that it was waiting to happen which probably meant that Miranda was looking for an idea to divorce Daniel since she never loved him from the beginning (being unknown as to why she accepted his proposal which must have been a joke).
You're right. This divorce is both Daniel and Miranda's fault. This may have been the straw the broke the camel's back, however it takes two to tango. He was too silly and she was too harsh.
Well it depends. I neither encourage fighting then showing to kids about parents trouble nor masquerading to the kids about how happy married couples are. It is however a good thing to show the kids parents are disscussing (no fighting/ shouting though) about a matter in serious topic that usually uncomfortable to show how open they are and how parents as couple trying to talk about what just happened. This then should be ended to their final discussion for solving the problems and reconciliation between both parties. By doing so, not only kids gonna learn the reality of marriage (in the sense of opposing film's happy ever after image), but also giving them understanding of couple's care to their house they build + relief from cynism of married life (I mean just because married is full of crazy things, it doesn't always mean there's no good things within it). Afterall, what usually making a divorce is due to lack of ways communicating between 2 lovers. This is generaly what makes a longevity of a home escalted quickly. There are lots of reasons of unstable family though but commonly is more about communication.
I was listening to a podcast the other day where the comedian Bill Burr was talking about how his parents fought all the time to a psychologist. In reaction to this his older brother made mix tapes that would inter-cut soundbites of his father swearing at their mother. Talk about making lemonade lol.
I liked that they didn’t stick with the original ending of them getting back together, because I felt that would’ve given children of divorced parents false hope. Sometimes they get back together but most of the time they don’t. The ending they stuck with was more realistic, bittersweet, and challenging. It helps you realize even though things don’t always happen the way we want them to, we can be okay.
You're right! In real life, parents don't often get remarried to each other after the divorce. In fantasyland, they usually do. This was definitely better.
and maybe eventually the divorced parents can be friends. I bet that is going to happen with Daniel and Miranda. I think I saw each other at the kids school activities and birthday parties.
Sally field did a great job in this movie portraying a female divorcee who was clearly very much in love with her husband when they first got married, but as time went on and both people’s priorities changed with age, the initial spark faded and things just got uglier and uglier with disagreements. That’s how many divorces happen in real life and sally was able to capture that perfectly.
Shes a shit mom tho hires help straight away after claiming she does everything. She just wanted to have sex with the guy from work who will soon get bored of the old hag.
True. It just doesn't seem right that they went straight to divorce. Considering the children they have, that a good 20 years at most of marriage. Maybe he's going through a mid life crisis. Who knows. Marriage counseling should have been the step to take. Because clearly there were issues with both that could have been solved before taking it this far.
It was a fundamental mismatch in values and temperament. She had a stable career and he didn't which led to resentment towards him because she was the main provider, and he was way too laid back and spontaneous whilst she was more organised and liked things to be planned/structured. It's easy to overlook these huge differences in the beginning and when you're young, but they can't be avoided or denied when you're married and have kids. They were just too different.
Nah. Adult me still hates her. I can understand to a point but when she took his rights away and he had to be supervised by strangers with his kids that’s unforgivable. I understand they grew apart but that doesn’t give her the right to say when the kids want to see there own dad. She was selfish and heavily into her career which is fine but to me she cared more about getting in the bed with a new man than caring about her kids feelings. I find her repulsive. She probably should’ve never had kids or got married if she wanted a career that takes a lot of time away from kids.
@@tokkibeanie adult me still hates her too. As someone who's parents got divorced when I was 10, she really didn't let the kids see Daniel that much and she took them from him and shortened their time together just because it was for her convenience. I also kinda hate that we never see the kids just tell their mom, "We wanna see Dad." I know technically he can only see them on certain days but it's not like they can't have any say and ask to see their dad for a day or 2 at least.
She didn't even give therapy a shot. Anyone who doesn't at least try couples therapy before a divorce hasn't made a real effort to keep the family together. Unless the situation is abusive, one should always give therapy a try, IMO.
Kid me hated her, adult me understands her. I really don't get at all how you can still dislike her, when she spoke to Mrs Doubtfire about why they marriage fell apart, it was perfectly explained, he was irresponsible, he couldn't keep a job, plus wrecked the house more than once. Now as for letting him only spend a short amount of time with his kids, did you guys see the mess his apartment was in and what they were eating for dinner? Come on lol
two birthdays in one followed by an argument between a polar opposite newly divorced. Chris - parents gets divorce for a birthday present Miranda - gets "Punk'd" in a restaurant Damn, I'm starting to get the idea that Daniel is the biggest jerk to not only ruin the marriage but birthday celebrations.
It goes both ways if you look at it. They're both at fault in the divorce. Miranda was too much of a strict workaholic while Daniel was more of a "laid back" man child. Back before they were married, I'm pretty sure they were madly in love with each other. But the second kids enter the picture and into your life, it doesn't become about you both anymore. It's about them. Gotta feed them, clothe them, provide for them and prepare them for when they enter your age and have kids of their own. Daniel didn't seem like he wanted to grow up. All he wanted to do was be a pal to the kids, instead of be a parent. Don't get me wrong. It's good for a parent to have fun with their kids, but to do it on a daily basis and be like one of them nonstop, it's unhealthy for their relationships with both their spouse and kids. Miranda, on the other hand, ended up becoming a workaholic to try and provide for the kids herself due to Daniel's carelessness and immature behavior. If you remember in the scene where Miranda and "Mrs. Doubtfire" were having tea and Miranda opened up about the marriage, she stated how "things quit being funny" due to her working all the time, trying to provide for the kids and for Daniel and herself, which she barely got to see the kids and left her with a strained relationship with them. And while Daniel couldn't keep a steady job as he would always "find something wrong with it", whether he has beliefs on it or not. Example: beginning of the film. Miranda even mentioned how she "cried herself to sleep" almost every night due to all the stress she had from work and trying to be the mom she wants to be, due to Daniel not stepping up to the plate and helping her out with helping around the house after a long day at work. If Daniel had done so while he and Miranda were still married, their marriage would have kept going and possibly better than ever. But Daniel throwing a party for chris after Miranda said no due to his grades and him bringing home an entire zoo and other kids trashing his house while he did nothing but join in on all the fun and dance on the table with Chris like a teen, was when Miranda reached her boiling point and snapped. And you gotta admit, when Daniel tried to suggest they go to a family therapist or to give Miranda a vacation with him and the kids to help ease stress off Miranda, she blew him off instantly and wouldn't give it a chance, even though I also agree that Daniel was also doing a shitty job, trying to justify himself. This also could be possible how she mentioned in that same scene how she also possibly tried to talk to Daniel about her problems and the way he acts before the divorce and the Mrs. Doubtfire stint. But Daniel never liked to be serious. He thought life was all fun and games. Would you have done the same thing if your spouse kept behaving like that? But yes, they're both at fault for Miranda being away all the time and being too strict and for Daniel to be too careless and irresponsible. But mainly, during the divorce, for bringing the kids into the middle of it nonstop and using them to get back at each other for it.
reminds me of my babies dad he was immature except unlike Daniel he doesn't love his kids. told me the other day he wouldn't bother to be in their life if we weren't in a relationship. it really hurt to hear that
I agree. Once you become an adult, especially with kids, it's time to grow up and face reality. Even though I am an adult and not married, I realized that life is not all fun and games. Daniel failed to realize that, especially when it came to being a husband/father. Miranda had to everything by herself. Keeping the house in order, preparing the meals, you name it. However when Daniel stepped up after becoming Mrs. Doubtfire, Miranda knew how to be a selfish bitch then. Once the divorce hit everything went downhill.
Again it reminds me of my kids dad. Wanting to goof around all the time. Having kids is hard. Its not fun at all if you're the one stuck with all the work. I think miranda did her best. Unlike daniel my kids dad doesnt give a crap about them. Never asks to see them. Thats what made daniel a good guy. He loved his children. My kids dad just doesn't and its a tough pill to swallow but i guess i just have to accept it.
I'd say this scene is a close 2nd. The closest I've ever seen was Will Smith and Thandie Newton in The Pursuit of Happyness when he confronts her after she left with his son the previous night.
As an adult with my Own children now, watching this scene breaks my heart. They both were at fault for letting the marriage fall apart. He resented her for her career, and she had contempt for him because he didn’t appreciate her contributions and often went against her. And she was holding a torch for her ex. When he realized she didn’t even love him anymore his face was just broken. I wish they could have given it one last chance, for the children. But oftentimes, it just doesn’t happen.
I can definitely feel how those kids felt when my parents got into a bad argument while my dad was drunk that one night. Then my mom and dad decided to have a divorce and my dad kept me and my brothers while my mom left with nothing. Now, I live with my dad and my mom lives in a house with my step dad. But don’t worry I kept in contact with my mom.
An absolutely brilliant scene that pulls no punches about the reality of divorce. Miranda’s tears and apology after she realizes that no, she DOESN’T love Daniel any more are heartbreaking. Here is an interesting fact: the original script had Daniel and Miranda getting back together, but Sally Field, Robin Williams, and director Chris Columbus-all of whom are divorcees themselves-petitioned to change it because they were afraid it would give kids false hope about real-life divorces. This movie teaches such a good lesson: if two people are simply incompatible, then it is BETTER for them to separate so they can become better people and, as Mrs. Doubtfire says, better parents if there are children involved. But the pain is still real. Amazing movie.
I hear what you’re saying and I don’t necessarily disagree… but as somewhat of a counterpoint… I do think that there are too many people these days who’re quitting and opting out of marriage way too early. I mean you’re making an oath before all your friends & family (God too if you believe) that is “till death do you part”. And while I do understand that divorce is necessary sometimes. Especially in terms of abusive relationships, obviously! I still can’t help but think that there are many Men & Women who don’t understand that marriage is a responsibility and personal happiness is not always going to be there. The divorce rate being as high as it is kind of proves what I’m talking about…
in theory that could be the case, but I think it's far more true to reality to say that "we just don't love each other anymore" is an excuse. You don't spend every day of your marriage happy, and that was never the fucking point of marriage. Marriage isn't supposed to "make you happy" . Marriage is about having a partner to face both good and bad times with. If something isn't working, you talk it out with them.
Sometimes when people get divorced find that they're better friends than they were married. I think unfortunately when it comes to marriage especially nowadays there's a lot of uncomfortable conversations you need to have with your potential spouse before you walk down the aisle that you do not have like where do you stand on having children where do you stand on religion where do you stand on you know working do you make enough money as the man to be the Sole Provider where the woman can be a stay-at-home mom or a stay-at-home wife if you decide not to have children or a stay-at-home wife if you decide not to have children as the woman do you absolutely want to work do you already have a career in place do you want to keep that sometimes I think people rush into marriage too quickly and unfortunately the statistics I think people rush into marriage don't know what they're getting into and then get into it and they're like what did I do because the statistics of divorce in this country are 52%
I gotta say..I can see where they're both coming from, but watching this as an adult I'm going to have to side with Miranda. I can't imagine how hard it was for her to be working hard to pay the bills and support the family with a husband who is constantly In-between jobs, and then he has the nerve to complain that she's always working or gets home too tired. Then when she gets home earlier to spend time with the kids the house is trashed and she's stuck cleaning up after everyone. And we know Daniel doesn't know how to cook or do laundry (thanks to the deleted scenes) so on top of being the primary breadwinner, Miranda was doing all the cooking and household chores. Seems extremely unfair to Miranda. I can understand why she was so angry and cried herself to sleep most nights.
Do you seriously side with someone who just thoughtlessly chose to divorce the father right on her son's birthday? How do you think this make him feel?
@@Disneyfan82 Yes, I seriously just sided with her. True she should have waited until after his birthday, but I stand by everything else I said. And that's the whole point of the movie: They both brought out the worst in each other. Miranda and Daniel both needed to learn how to become better parents/people. Miranda needed to learn to not be such a workaholic/so strict and to lighten up and have fun, and Daniel needed to learn how to be a stable father figure/man by holding down a job and learning how to cook, clean, and do laundry. That doesn't change the fact that I still think Miranda got the short end of the stick in their marriage. Daniel was a good dad but a thoughtless and selfish husband.
@@KD.... Bull, yeah he wasn't all innocent but neither was she. To see your parents divorced is the worst present any kid could get on his birthday and he'll never celebrate it the same way again. So don't be naive to defend all her actions against him.
@@Disneyfan82 oh my God, it's useless trying to have an intellectual conversation with you. I've already acknowledged and established everything you just said. Not interested in hearing you reiterating the same point. Bye
Not at all, that's what makes the dynamic between these two a lot more human. Their marriage fell apart because of their unwillingness to work through their issues, or to try to see things from each other's POV. Neither of them are totally right or totally wrong, yet their viewpoints are both understandable.
The one issue I have with Miranda is that she did not agree to go to counseling. I understand that she doesn’t love him and I understand why. She is completely entitled to feel the way she does because Daniel is a man child. But they owe it to their children to try. If it doesn’t work, then it doesn’t work. But it’s worth a try.
It's only useful to see a therapist if there is still love left. If there is no foundation to build on, even with all the good intentions, it can't work out. There's no point in hanging on, even not for the sake of the children, if one partner or both is not in love anymore and unhappy. Love helps to show forgiveness and gives the strength to put in the work.
No, she would have still came home and saw the mess. This scene was just an example of how Daniel truly was in their marriage- immature and not a help-mate- day in and day out. This was Miranda’s last straw.
I see your point but their problems ran much deeper than that. The party was more the straw that broke the camel's back. Daniel even said to Chris the divorce would have happened anyway, that it was an accident waiting to happen.
@@MrsMoore1 But he would have still cleaned the house because Miranda arrives late but still divorce would occur because they have long term unsolved problems
@@waynehoxit2579 Miranda was so mad at Daniel because he threw a birthday party for their son after she said her son could not have a party because of his report card.
You can tell that even though she doesn't love him anymore, she still cares about him since she's obviously as hurt as he is when she says she wants a divorce.
This almost reminds me of my parents arguing when I was really young. They did get a divorce and the only difference is it was my mother's fault. Now my dad is married for the second time, about 5 or 6 years and he is happier with my step mommy.
Daniel should've known better than to even throw a birthday party for Chris against Miranda's wishes. Lydia tried to remind him about the punishment in place and of which he ignored. In a deleted scene during their fight, Miranda revealed why she barred having birthday parties in the house for Chris. She was angry over his report card which revealed his terrible grades and that he was flunking three of his classes. To Miranda, this wasn't something that Daniel should've known better than to undermine her parenting by throwing that party.
they still could've waited to discuss the topic of divorce the next day. she shouldn't have sprung it on their son's birthday. no kid wants to hear their parents are getting a divorce on their special day
@@ladyfire44 I agree. Parenting is teamwork, and Daniel didn’t pull his weight with Chris. The reason Miranda is angry is because Daniel threw Chris a party behind her back (even though he’s barred from having parties) and allowing animals to run through the house.
Daniel went behind her back by throwing that party. You don't side with your kids behind your partner's back like you're one of them. It shows Daniel's immaturity, which he grows out of throughout the film. The marriage was already breaking up, this was just the boiling point, and I think they did a great job showing that here.
I agree with you. But I don't think Daniel learned his lesson. I mean he nearly killed Stu with food poisoning. The judge was right to make him seek special psychiatric help.
Daniel: Just realize you're spending too much time with those cooperate clones you used to despise! Maybe she's spending so much time with them because she needs to work a lot to support the family since Daniel never seems to hold a job. Maybe if Daniel held a job and brought in money, Miranda wouldn't have to work so much.
Yeah but Daniel would be compromising himself to such a degree if he got a 9-5, that he'd be a shell of himself and set a bad example for his children.
@@rogergarrison4271 However money doesnt buy love or any abstract stuffs. It can only buy material possesions. So technically She is still a bad mother, even if she worked her ass off. Although Daniel should cooperate too. Both of them were not helping one another.
This scene hurt as a kid. But this is the America we live in. Love and give unconditionally to your life partner and expect nothing in return because you’re already a happy, whole complete person on the inside. Divorce doesn’t have to be in your future!
He's a great, if immature, father for their kids but a horrible husband for her. She simply doesn't need the stress and hassle that he constantly creates. She can admire that aspect of him on behalf of their children from afar as he makes their children happy as seen by the end of the film where she gets it in the courtroom, understands what drives him to act the way he does. It's not for her personally & she doesn't want or need to deal with it or be near it day in, day out under the same roof BUT she does come to respect and understand his personality from a non romantic point of view. She's not in love with him anymore and never will be again BUT she totally gets that he's an amazing father for her children.
He grows too. I would say at the beginning of the film he had some good things he did as a father, and some terrible things he did. He needed to grow as a father too and he did, through becoming Mrs. Doubtfire.
He wasn't a great father. He was a father that was great at an aspect of fatherhood. Being fun and engaging. There's also a financial aspect to fatherhood and he failed that miserably at the beginning
Miranda: Why am I the only one that feels there has to be rules?! Why do you always make me out to be the heavy?! Me: That's pretty much how I felt with my ex-wife by thinking. "Why am I the only one who feels there has to be priorities?! Why do you always make me off to be the selfish one?!" It turned out the woman I was married to had mental depression and always believed that marriage was supposed to be the "only" priority instead of the "first" priority. That should teach people that there’s a difference between first priority and only priority.
I'm more on Miranda's side here. Coming home to animals and a wild party and possibly being charged a penalty for having wild animals in the streets. Having to come home and clean that mess up. Plus Chris couldn't have a party because of his bad grades she at least brought him a cake and a few gifts. Top it off Daniel quits his job for the silliest of reasons.
Daniel(robin Williams)didn't just quit he was fired and plus the old lady who lived next door called Miranda (sally field) and told her about the party.
@@ashleysmith8402 no he did quit because he didn't like the content of the cartoon he was voice acting for and walked out and the neighbor was right to call her
Yeah, no one else is gonna say it so I will. The character of the the mom is a homewrecker, chose her career over her family, ruins, anything that’s fun, is constantly insecure about how much her children love her, and is jealous of the love, her children have their father. This woman is a horrible human.
My parents never was married when I was born,Or together when I was growing up at that. The thing I learn is you cannot make someone fall in love you, nor use your kids to save a relationship or marriage. Like some kids grew up when they parents divorced and went crazy, me I accept it a move on.
to be fair, I think it was all the neighbor lady's fault that this is happing. she called Miranda at the office and informed her of what was going on knowing full well that she was going to start trouble. she should have minded her own business.
Exactly! Miranda should've come home,and got Daniel and the kids,and they should've all,as a family,gone over there and beat the living hell out of her,for butting in!
@Patronus88 She had farm animals crawling around on her property. What would you do if you had that kind of crap going on? Daniel was told no parties. There comes a time when you have to put children in their place when they don't hold up their end of the bargain. Children have a job called school. If they don't do their job then no fun until it gets better. Period!
This movie hits at home for me, I remember my parents arguing so much back when I was eight. I remember everything so vividly and the horrible things my parents were calling each other. I remember the whole pain in emotion when my parents got divorced back in the year 2000. This movie really helped me through such a difficult time during my childhood.
Maybe it’s cause I’m only 18 but to this day I don’t understand the custody situation. Like he wasn’t allowed to see his kids much.. why? They’re his kids too. I get both adults being at fault for the divorce, but why does no one ever ask the kids what they want? Did no one ever consider the kids might want to see their dad more than just one day a week?
1:10 I had learned that telling someone to "Lighten Up" is a dark and immature phrase and not a light phrase. I pretty much said that to my dad once and he got really angry. It was like learning from childhood when my parents also told me not to say the other phrase "shut up." What do you think of that?
I had to rewatch this again and the part where Daniel says " We can work our problems out" and Miranda responds with " We've been trying to work them out for 14 years" . I was like WTF? . The kids were 15,13 and 6 so what the heck? Lydia was 1 when they started having issues? . Seems like they either never should have had kids or for that matter they probably should never have gotten married in the first place.
@@catholicfemininity2126 speaking as an artist i often find it difficult to secure a long term relationship with anyone who isn't a fellow artitst for this exact reason. Fairly understandable tbf though
“I have no choices here, Daniel! I have no choices!” For some reason that part always makes me laugh 😂. I think it’s because of how annoyed and frustrated she is when she says it.
Incredibly sad, gripping just heart wrenching scene. When I was a kid, I could feel his heart just being crushed. I had goosebumps at this scene, still gets me. My parents divorced two years after this and it hit even heavier everytime I would watch this scene
I'm kinda so-so on this. Yes it's true, it wouldn't kill Daniel to be strict every now and then rather than make the kid's play favorites and yes Miranda shouldn't be so uptight all the time. What I like about this movie is that it's one of the few that manage to convince us that both sides have a point rather than one or the other. The only thing I don't like though and this may lean me more toward's Daniel's side of things was Miranda's smug lawyer. At the end of the film when Daniel makes a passionate plea and it was so good that it pretty much moved Miranda, with the Judge carrying out a sentence stricter than the last one, she was sporting this shit-eating grin while Miranda realized how much she took her side of things too far.
@@StealthMode3924 the thing I hate about it the most, was that she treated it like it was something Miranda wanted, even though the look on her face says otherwise.
I really don't think Miranda was not the right woman for him anyway even thoe he didn't cleaned up he was supposed too. I felt sorry for Daniel how he loved her alot. But I'm glad latter on in life they became friends later.
They are both at fault, Miranda is right that she works for so much during her day to make money and help take care of the children because Daniel doesn’t have a full-time career or job himself, she works her hardest and while Daniel does his part as the kids father by making them happy, laugh and have fun, which is good of him, it doesn’t help that Miranda is made out to be the bad guy by raining on the parade but because she is responsible and has rules that she wants the kids but seemingly Daniel to follow the most, Daniel definitely doesn’t mean to upset Miranda and make her feel the way she feels here, he is right to want to try and work things out with Miranda but as Miranda says it’s been 14 years and she’s overwhelmed, of course it wasn’t fair for her to suddenly just say she wanted a divorce, I mean I might be wrong but shouldn’t Daniel have also had the right to agree since he didn’t or shouldn’t they as parents have had a chance to discuss and talk it through before actually going through with it?
Yeah, you wouldn't be happy if you had to work all day and instead of coming to a peaceful quiet home to relax with your spouse making you dinner and a clean home... you come to a noisy place with a donkey and random strangers everywhere. And this doesn't happen just once, but all the time apparently.
I understand Daniel was immature and laid back BUT people who have watched the movie she was excited to meet Stu again, Divorce Daniel and barely a month she is already with Stu dating while Daniel was doing everything to see his Children if anyone is to blame is Miranda cause I saw a man who wanted to FIX the Relationship not just throw it away for a Career and a Better Man
@@ianfortuna9385 True but she did tell Stu she was at the beginning of a divorce when they saw each other again after so long. So she at least told him her situation. But yeah she did jump into a relationship with him quick.
Lily Zerep I would've knocked my mother senseless if she did that both my parents are divorced but they've been separated for over 5 years so it's whatever
I remember the scene where she said"One day, his jokes just stopped being funny..." And then "He never knew but so many nights, I cried myself to sleep." Always felt the lack of communication led to worse things. Which also led to feeling a lack of love and then overcommitment to their jobs where he got burned out and she liked it better there than home. I know divorce happens and sometimes it's for the best but there was no communication and she kept it from him. Which makes her dishonest. I'm divorced myself but I communicated to my wife, went to marriage counseling with my wife,did everything I could. Everyone told me she was just using me and leave her, everyone said divorce her, she is awful to you but I actually tried. It wasn't until she admitted she didn't care who I f*cked or who I live with,as long as she gets a paycheck from me and her pain meds. Then I divorced her. In this movie, I just never saw effort from her. Complaining about everything, unfeeling to the husband (until the end), quick to just drop him and find another, eager to take the children from him, always a list of excuses. In the end part, she redeemed herself but I feel she failed the marriage.
She said she tried to talk to him but he didn't took things seriously, even in this scene he tries to avoid talking about their problems, when she says that their problems would be waiting for them he just says they would move, in this case it's not like your divorce it's not that they didn't care about each other but all the pain she had to go through because of him made her stop loving him, it wasn't a misunderstanding
I love analyzing this movie. I know that if I was a working mom like Miranda, and I come home to a house that's trashed with strangers, loud music, and partying when I just want a nice quiet rest and a home cooked meal with my family, and when I try to share my concerns I get yelled at and called uptight......... I'd be sick. Imagine if the genders were reversed. The only thing Miranda did wrong was not going to counseling. Daniel simply needed to get his act together and the marriage might've been saved, but he waited too late. Notice how happy Miranda was to come to a clean house, kids did homework, and dinner was ready... who wouldn't be relieved to come home to that?
Absolutely!!! See her face light up and her voice crack when she heard,he wanted to see her personally?! At that moment,the fantasy was already there and the marriage was over!
When i was a kid. I felt i understood Sally Field's perspective. But as i get older I sympathized more and more with Robin Williams. Robin/Daniel made mistakes, but to me the first option should never be divorce. Ive seen as ive aged how mufh divorce has ruined people, society, and perspective on family. To me, Miranda was lucky to have a man who want so prideful to refuse that he made a mistake or was wrong, or how dedicated he was as a father. Issues like these can be worked out. This isn't an affair or he's gambling or drugs or anything damaging. I think the biggest problem is how easily people give up on their partners. If i ever can get married, i will never give up on my wife. Never. Hell i wish i had a father that caried visibly as much as Robin Williams in this.
So much a man can take to impress a woman and yet they're ungrateful. We work hard for the family and provide and try our best to give them the world but you know females
My wife is one of the tidiest and cleanest people I've ever met, since marrying her I actually like to clean to make her happy. I would be too afraid to do even a tiny-fraction of what the dad did here and would have apologized up to Heaven and back if I did it!
I understand that Miranda didn't want to be with Daniel anymore. However, not letting the children spend time with him was extremely wrong on her part!
@@L1am21 uh yeah she does. They both work in interior designing, they are both very responsible, they both love the restaurant Bridges, and a lot of other things.
When he realised she didn't love him anymore. Thats the killer.
@ If were going by that logic then "kill all men" shouldn't be a problem for you since you think grouping one gender together is okay.
If she was no longer in love with him, then she was right to divorce him. However, it was wrong on her part to take the children away from him.
One thing nobody mentions. HE WAS THERE. That's better than a lot of Dads. Where I live, a lot of Dads forced cnception then disappeared. She could do SO much worse than unforgettable happy safe memories for the kids and utterly unwavering, unfaltering, unfailing fidelity.
It was also the look of realization on her face after he said “We love each other….don’t we?” 💔
@@michaelm5405 Unfortunately, a lot of women just wanna cut and run instead of doing the hard work to make a relationship work.
Robin Williams and Sally Field acted the hell out of this scene.
The deleted scene was more powerful
That's because they were both Divorcees in real life. They been through this song and dance with their own respective partners. It's not even improvisation, it's method acting at this point.
True the mom was the bad guy that she the bad guy she told him not to make her be and she is the one that made herself be the bad guy all the father did was treat his son's day of birth like it is a important day because it was the day he was born and at the end of the day because she was upset that her son disobeyed with her father so it was in spite of the father-and-son I know she won't tell the Sun that but it didn't today that's why she divorced him therefore it's because she was mad at both of them
@@higurashianduminekoconnect1702 That's not quite accurate. Years ago I would have agreed, as that's how I felt when I first watched this movie. However getting older and rewatching this, it's safe to say they're both in the wrong. For starters, while Daniel means well, he is very immature and irresponsible. While he quit for noble reasons, it's implied that he couldn't hold down a job properly before, for reasons more petty. Also the birthday party while the cause of the fight in this instance, was merely the last straw. It's implied they've fought before and initially the reason they didn't divorce then, was because they thought they still loved each other. Much of why she seems like the bad guy is because she's often the one who has to lay down the law and hand out the punishments, while he gets to be the fun parent. The kids pretty much taking advantage of that every chance they get. It was then and there she realized, while Daniel was probably in denial that she fell out of love with him. It wasn't until he became Mrs. Doubtfire, that he started to own up to his past faults. Laying down the law when he needs to as well as learning how to properly take care of the kids. In the first scene in the apartment, his home was a mess and he couldn't cook food, so they had Chinese Takeout. Then later on when his worker came to check on him, he straightened the place out, then picked up on cooking skills to better play the part of the strict but fun British nanny. While Miranda has her fair share of faults too. Such as trying her hardest to push him out of their kids lives, before he took on the persona. She does indeed have a heart and it showed when she realized how far she went in the legal proceedings after the reveal. The entire aesop of this movie was that neither parent is perfect, but they try their best to do what they think is right. As shown in the end where he was able to see the kids again while Doubtfire gives divorce advice to a kid fan.
Most definitely
The way she looks at him after he says we love eachother, she realizes she no longer loves him
shes a toff and cares for here high class people she works with shes the monster
And the look in Daniel’s eyes says that he realized that, too.
I think that he knew that he wasn't going to get back with her. However, he still loved his children.
@@jasperedwards3341 no, they're NOT! You need to fix your grammar.
Daniel's response to that 10 second lifetime of silence. I wish I'd realised Robin Williams was such an unmatched expert in pain and sorrow. He delivered so perfectly bc he knew, without experience. He put himself into that role, to turn his pain into something beautiful.
I know what Chris is feeling inside. He thinks this whole thing is his fault for having a party
When Daniel saids party over he like your right it is
And its not.
Worst part is that even though it wasn't his fault, Chris's birthday is now forever going to be a reminder of when his mother decided to divorce his father. It's forever ruined.
@amin sadeghpour That's right. The day when the divorce was finalized and Daniel had all his things to move out, Chris told Daniel that it's all his fault that if he didn't have a birthday or a party, the divorce wouldn't of happened where Daniel then said that it was waiting to happen which probably meant that Miranda was looking for an idea to divorce Daniel since she never loved him from the beginning (being unknown as to why she accepted his proposal which must have been a joke).
You're right. This divorce is both Daniel and Miranda's fault. This may have been the straw the broke the camel's back, however it takes two to tango. He was too silly and she was too harsh.
0:36 the kids bearing witness to their parents' fighting. One of the worst things for a kid to watch. Sad sad scene.
That’s me almost every single day of my life sometimes
Well it depends. I neither encourage fighting then showing to kids about parents trouble nor masquerading to the kids about how happy married couples are.
It is however a good thing to show the kids parents are disscussing (no fighting/ shouting though) about a matter in serious topic that usually uncomfortable to show how open they are and how parents as couple trying to talk about what just happened. This then should be ended to their final discussion for solving the problems and reconciliation between both parties.
By doing so, not only kids gonna learn the reality of marriage (in the sense of opposing film's happy ever after image), but also giving them understanding of couple's care to their house they build + relief from cynism of married life (I mean just because married is full of crazy things, it doesn't always mean there's no good things within it). Afterall, what usually making a divorce is due to lack of ways communicating between 2 lovers.
This is generaly what makes a longevity of a home escalted quickly. There are lots of reasons of unstable family though but commonly is more about communication.
And hear, definitely know from experience.
I was listening to a podcast the other day where the comedian Bill Burr was talking about how his parents fought all the time to a psychologist. In reaction to this his older brother made mix tapes that would inter-cut soundbites of his father swearing at their mother. Talk about making lemonade lol.
Bless his little heart
I liked that they didn’t stick with the original ending of them getting back together, because I felt that would’ve given children of divorced parents false hope. Sometimes they get back together but most of the time they don’t. The ending they stuck with was more realistic, bittersweet, and challenging. It helps you realize even though things don’t always happen the way we want them to, we can be okay.
You're right! In real life, parents don't often get remarried to each other after the divorce. In fantasyland, they usually do. This was definitely better.
and maybe eventually the divorced parents can be friends.
I bet that is going to happen with Daniel and Miranda. I think I saw each other at the kids school activities and birthday parties.
That was the original ending? Getting remarried?
What original ending? where did you get that info?
The ending of this film gave some practicality in the matters of divorce/joint custody. AKA: You got to play by My rules.
Sally field did a great job in this movie portraying a female divorcee who was clearly very much in love with her husband when they first got married, but as time went on and both people’s priorities changed with age, the initial spark faded and things just got uglier and uglier with disagreements. That’s how many divorces happen in real life and sally was able to capture that perfectly.
Shes a shit mom tho hires help straight away after claiming she does everything. She just wanted to have sex with the guy from work who will soon get bored of the old hag.
True. It just doesn't seem right that they went straight to divorce. Considering the children they have, that a good 20 years at most of marriage. Maybe he's going through a mid life crisis. Who knows. Marriage counseling should have been the step to take. Because clearly there were issues with both that could have been solved before taking it this far.
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It was a fundamental mismatch in values and temperament. She had a stable career and he didn't which led to resentment towards him because she was the main provider, and he was way too laid back and spontaneous whilst she was more organised and liked things to be planned/structured. It's easy to overlook these huge differences in the beginning and when you're young, but they can't be avoided or denied when you're married and have kids. They were just too different.
Kid me hated Sally Field
Adult me gets her character a bit more.
Nah. Adult me still hates her. I can understand to a point but when she took his rights away and he had to be supervised by strangers with his kids that’s unforgivable. I understand they grew apart but that doesn’t give her the right to say when the kids want to see there own dad. She was selfish and heavily into her career which is fine but to me she cared more about getting in the bed with a new man than caring about her kids feelings. I find her repulsive. She probably should’ve never had kids or got married if she wanted a career that takes a lot of time away from kids.
@@berniethecat8839 she wanted 007 over here to lay down tha pipe
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@@tokkibeanie adult me still hates her too. As someone who's parents got divorced when I was 10, she really didn't let the kids see Daniel that much and she took them from him and shortened their time together just because it was for her convenience. I also kinda hate that we never see the kids just tell their mom, "We wanna see Dad." I know technically he can only see them on certain days but it's not like they can't have any say and ask to see their dad for a day or 2 at least.
She didn't even give therapy a shot. Anyone who doesn't at least try couples therapy before a divorce hasn't made a real effort to keep the family together. Unless the situation is abusive, one should always give therapy a try, IMO.
Kid me hated her, adult me understands her. I really don't get at all how you can still dislike her, when she spoke to Mrs Doubtfire about why they marriage fell apart, it was perfectly explained, he was irresponsible, he couldn't keep a job, plus wrecked the house more than once. Now as for letting him only spend a short amount of time with his kids, did you guys see the mess his apartment was in and what they were eating for dinner? Come on lol
Daniel: Honey, I'd be careful. That pony had a lot of water.
And yet, he has it in house where it can end up pissing on the floor?!
I don't think pre-Doubtfire Daniel had that kind of foresight
This guy would be excellent at CinemaSins.
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How did the pony get in the house anyway? I mean how did it get past the front steps?
Perfect example of why she wanted a divorce. He was too childish to think of that.
You can't improv that type of acting
They did.
Worst birthday ever...
two birthdays in one followed by an argument between a polar opposite newly divorced.
Chris - parents gets divorce for a birthday present
Miranda - gets "Punk'd" in a restaurant
Damn, I'm starting to get the idea that Daniel is the biggest jerk to not only ruin the marriage but birthday celebrations.
It goes both ways if you look at it. They're both at fault in the divorce. Miranda was too much of a strict workaholic while Daniel was more of a "laid back" man child. Back before they were married, I'm pretty sure they were madly in love with each other. But the second kids enter the picture and into your life, it doesn't become about you both anymore. It's about them. Gotta feed them, clothe them, provide for them and prepare them for when they enter your age and have kids of their own. Daniel didn't seem like he wanted to grow up. All he wanted to do was be a pal to the kids, instead of be a parent. Don't get me wrong. It's good for a parent to have fun with their kids, but to do it on a daily basis and be like one of them nonstop, it's unhealthy for their relationships with both their spouse and kids. Miranda, on the other hand, ended up becoming a workaholic to try and provide for the kids herself due to Daniel's carelessness and immature behavior. If you remember in the scene where Miranda and "Mrs. Doubtfire" were having tea and Miranda opened up about the marriage, she stated how "things quit being funny" due to her working all the time, trying to provide for the kids and for Daniel and herself, which she barely got to see the kids and left her with a strained relationship with them. And while Daniel couldn't keep a steady job as he would always "find something wrong with it", whether he has beliefs on it or not. Example: beginning of the film. Miranda even mentioned how she "cried herself to sleep" almost every night due to all the stress she had from work and trying to be the mom she wants to be, due to Daniel not stepping up to the plate and helping her out with helping around the house after a long day at work. If Daniel had done so while he and Miranda were still married, their marriage would have kept going and possibly better than ever. But Daniel throwing a party for chris after Miranda said no due to his grades and him bringing home an entire zoo and other kids trashing his house while he did nothing but join in on all the fun and dance on the table with Chris like a teen, was when Miranda reached her boiling point and snapped. And you gotta admit, when Daniel tried to suggest they go to a family therapist or to give Miranda a vacation with him and the kids to help ease stress off Miranda, she blew him off instantly and wouldn't give it a chance, even though I also agree that Daniel was also doing a shitty job, trying to justify himself. This also could be possible how she mentioned in that same scene how she also possibly tried to talk to Daniel about her problems and the way he acts before the divorce and the Mrs. Doubtfire stint. But Daniel never liked to be serious. He thought life was all fun and games. Would you have done the same thing if your spouse kept behaving like that? But yes, they're both at fault for Miranda being away all the time and being too strict and for Daniel to be too careless and irresponsible. But mainly, during the divorce, for bringing the kids into the middle of it nonstop and using them to get back at each other for it.
Agreed. When I was a kid I felt really bad for Daniel. But as a grown adult with a Wife, 2 boys, and a Mtg etc. I see her point
He love his kids he wanted too see them everday that what a father do n why his ex wife mad at him
reminds me of my babies dad he was immature except unlike Daniel he doesn't love his kids. told me the other day he wouldn't bother to be in their life if we weren't in a relationship. it really hurt to hear that
I agree. Once you become an adult, especially with kids, it's time to grow up and face reality. Even though I am an adult and not married, I realized that life is not all fun and games. Daniel failed to realize that, especially when it came to being a husband/father. Miranda had to everything by herself. Keeping the house in order, preparing the meals, you name it. However when Daniel stepped up after becoming Mrs. Doubtfire, Miranda knew how to be a selfish bitch then. Once the divorce hit everything went downhill.
Again it reminds me of my kids dad. Wanting to goof around all the time. Having kids is hard. Its not fun at all if you're the one stuck with all the work. I think miranda did her best. Unlike daniel my kids dad doesnt give a crap about them. Never asks to see them. Thats what made daniel a good guy. He loved his children. My kids dad just doesn't and its a tough pill to swallow but i guess i just have to accept it.
Robin and Sally..... 2 of the greatest screen stars of all time. Love their acting in this scene.
Putting them together, thats a potent mix.
Probably the most accurate parent fight I have seen on film.
I completely agree
Yeah, but even in a fight this intense, they're supposed to work it all out.
I'd say this scene is a close 2nd. The closest I've ever seen was Will Smith and Thandie Newton in The Pursuit of Happyness when he confronts her after she left with his son the previous night.
@@jongon0848 Yeah, fair
Truly one of the most heartbreaking scene! Especially with the kids listening upstairs🥺🥺🥺
As an adult with my Own children now, watching this scene breaks my heart. They both were at fault for letting the marriage fall apart. He resented her for her career, and she had contempt for him because he didn’t appreciate her contributions and often went against her. And she was holding a torch for her ex. When he realized she didn’t even love him anymore his face was just broken. I wish they could have given it one last chance, for the children. But oftentimes, it just doesn’t happen.
I’m here because my parents are about to get divorced and I know exactly how those kids are feeling
I'm so sorry. Remember, in divorce, ALL the fault belongs on the parents.
I hope you are well now. My parents got divorce when I was 26 and even if I wasn't a child anymore, it hurt anyway.
I hope your parents can coparent peacefully and be on good terms for your and your siblings’ sake(if you have siblings). ♥️
I can definitely feel how those kids felt when my parents got into a bad argument while my dad was drunk that one night. Then my mom and dad decided to have a divorce and my dad kept me and my brothers while my mom left with nothing. Now, I live with my dad and my mom lives in a house with my step dad. But don’t worry I kept in contact with my mom.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Hopefully, one day, your parents will be civil with each other.
An absolutely brilliant scene that pulls no punches about the reality of divorce. Miranda’s tears and apology after she realizes that no, she DOESN’T love Daniel any more are heartbreaking. Here is an interesting fact: the original script had Daniel and Miranda getting back together, but Sally Field, Robin Williams, and director Chris Columbus-all of whom are divorcees themselves-petitioned to change it because they were afraid it would give kids false hope about real-life divorces. This movie teaches such a good lesson: if two people are simply incompatible, then it is BETTER for them to separate so they can become better people and, as Mrs. Doubtfire says, better parents if there are children involved. But the pain is still real. Amazing movie.
I hear what you’re saying and I don’t necessarily disagree… but as somewhat of a counterpoint… I do think that there are too many people these days who’re quitting and opting out of marriage way too early. I mean you’re making an oath before all your friends & family (God too if you believe) that is “till death do you part”. And while I do understand that divorce is necessary sometimes. Especially in terms of abusive relationships, obviously! I still can’t help but think that there are many Men & Women who don’t understand that marriage is a responsibility and personal happiness is not always going to be there. The divorce rate being as high as it is kind of proves what I’m talking about…
in theory that could be the case, but I think it's far more true to reality to say that "we just don't love each other anymore" is an excuse. You don't spend every day of your marriage happy, and that was never the fucking point of marriage. Marriage isn't supposed to "make you happy" . Marriage is about having a partner to face both good and bad times with. If something isn't working, you talk it out with them.
Sometimes when people get divorced find that they're better friends than they were married. I think unfortunately when it comes to marriage especially nowadays there's a lot of uncomfortable conversations you need to have with your potential spouse before you walk down the aisle that you do not have like where do you stand on having children where do you stand on religion where do you stand on you know working do you make enough money as the man to be the Sole Provider where the woman can be a stay-at-home mom or a stay-at-home wife if you decide not to have children or a stay-at-home wife if you decide not to have children as the woman do you absolutely want to work do you already have a career in place do you want to keep that sometimes I think people rush into marriage too quickly and unfortunately the statistics I think people rush into marriage don't know what they're getting into and then get into it and they're like what did I do because the statistics of divorce in this country are 52%
I gotta say..I can see where they're both coming from, but watching this as an adult I'm going to have to side with Miranda. I can't imagine how hard it was for her to be working hard to pay the bills and support the family with a husband who is constantly In-between jobs, and then he has the nerve to complain that she's always working or gets home too tired. Then when she gets home earlier to spend time with the kids the house is trashed and she's stuck cleaning up after everyone. And we know Daniel doesn't know how to cook or do laundry (thanks to the deleted scenes) so on top of being the primary breadwinner, Miranda was doing all the cooking and household chores. Seems extremely unfair to Miranda. I can understand why she was so angry and cried herself to sleep most nights.
Do you seriously side with someone who just thoughtlessly chose to divorce the father right on her son's birthday? How do you think this make him feel?
@@Disneyfan82 Yes, I seriously just sided with her. True she should have waited until after his birthday, but I stand by everything else I said. And that's the whole point of the movie: They both brought out the worst in each other. Miranda and Daniel both needed to learn how to become better parents/people. Miranda needed to learn to not be such a workaholic/so strict and to lighten up and have fun, and Daniel needed to learn how to be a stable father figure/man by holding down a job and learning how to cook, clean, and do laundry. That doesn't change the fact that I still think Miranda got the short end of the stick in their marriage. Daniel was a good dad but a thoughtless and selfish husband.
@@KD.... Bull, yeah he wasn't all innocent but neither was she. To see your parents divorced is the worst present any kid could get on his birthday and he'll never celebrate it the same way again. So don't be naive to defend all her actions against him.
@@Disneyfan82 oh my God, it's useless trying to have an intellectual conversation with you. I've already acknowledged and established everything you just said. Not interested in hearing you reiterating the same point. Bye
@@KD.... Whatever. I made my point clear anyway.
When you realise they dont love you anymore is the worst.
If you mean each other, I agree. However, they both still love their children.
I felt Sally Field's anger at 0:44...outstanding acting...
Am I the only one that see how both parents were at fault?
Nope, I see that it's both their fault.
Phoebe Olivia You took the words right out of my mouth!
Not at all, that's what makes the dynamic between these two a lot more human. Their marriage fell apart because of their unwillingness to work through their issues, or to try to see things from each other's POV. Neither of them are totally right or totally wrong, yet their viewpoints are both understandable.
Bill Number3 I think you mean, their marriage, not their divorce. Because at the end of the movie, they were still divorced.
@@CROSSTATT yes, I meant their marriage. My mistake.
ITS DANIELS FAULT NOT MIRANDA'S FAULT PERIOD
Sorry, but they are BOTH at fault.
Sally Field is one hell of an actress both emotionally and physically
The one issue I have with Miranda is that she did not agree to go to counseling. I understand that she doesn’t love him and I understand why. She is completely entitled to feel the way she does because Daniel is a man child. But they owe it to their children to try. If it doesn’t work, then it doesn’t work. But it’s worth a try.
She wanted to hire a nanny a have sex with James bond. Her mind was made up.
It's only useful to see a therapist if there is still love left. If there is no foundation to build on, even with all the good intentions, it can't work out. There's no point in hanging on, even not for the sake of the children, if one partner or both is not in love anymore and unhappy. Love helps to show forgiveness and gives the strength to put in the work.
I wish they would have tried too. She just shut it down. When you have children you owe it to them to try.
In the musical they did that but Daniel never showed up
When I was a child I thought she was so mean and villainous. Now, I completely understand her and think she is awesome, especially, at the end.
I blame their next-door neighbour for their divorce. Glad Daniel got his revenge in a deleted scene.
Yeah I agree that old lady she reason why Daniel and his wife spled up.
No, she would have still came home and saw the mess. This scene was just an example of how Daniel truly was in their marriage- immature and not a help-mate- day in and day out. This was Miranda’s last straw.
I see your point but their problems ran much deeper than that. The party was more the straw that broke the camel's back. Daniel even said to Chris the divorce would have happened anyway, that it was an accident waiting to happen.
Remind me of Mrs. Peenman from The Mask, very similar!!
@@MrsMoore1 But he would have still cleaned the house because Miranda arrives late but still divorce would occur because they have long term unsolved problems
You got to admit what he did was immature
Kent Peterson i agree
I agree it was very imature of Daniel to do this
Megan Campbell why was Miranda extreme mad at Daniel
@@waynehoxit2579 Miranda was so mad at Daniel because he threw a birthday party for their son after she said her son could not have a party because of his report card.
Megan Campbell why did Miranda feel a lot of extreme rage at Daniel on that part
You can tell that even though she doesn't love him anymore, she still cares about him since she's obviously as hurt as he is when she says she wants a divorce.
I’m 23 now and ever since I saw this as a kid, made me think of my parents arguing alot when I was maybe 4-5 I think, gets me emotional sometimes
Did we ask
This almost reminds me of my parents arguing when I was really young. They did get a divorce and the only difference is it was my mother's fault. Now my dad is married for the second time, about 5 or 6 years and he is happier with my step mommy.
@@DeadmanDave Nah both of them are at fault, Daniel never liked handling serious issues and Miranda was suffocating
She shouldn’t of done that on her sons bday
HE shouldn't have brought wild animals and dozens of kids into the house to make a mess SHE had to clean up.
Daniel should've known better than to even throw a birthday party for Chris against Miranda's wishes. Lydia tried to remind him about the punishment in place and of which he ignored. In a deleted scene during their fight, Miranda revealed why she barred having birthday parties in the house for Chris. She was angry over his report card which revealed his terrible grades and that he was flunking three of his classes. To Miranda, this wasn't something that Daniel should've known better than to undermine her parenting by throwing that party.
they still could've waited to discuss the topic of divorce the next day. she shouldn't have sprung it on their son's birthday. no kid wants to hear their parents are getting a divorce on their special day
@@ladyfire44 I agree. Parenting is teamwork, and Daniel didn’t pull his weight with Chris. The reason Miranda is angry is because Daniel threw Chris a party behind her back (even though he’s barred from having parties) and allowing animals to run through the house.
Daniel went behind her back by throwing that party. You don't side with your kids behind your partner's back like you're one of them. It shows Daniel's immaturity, which he grows out of throughout the film. The marriage was already breaking up, this was just the boiling point, and I think they did a great job showing that here.
I agree with you. But I don't think Daniel learned his lesson. I mean he nearly killed Stu with food poisoning. The judge was right to make him seek special psychiatric help.
Daniel: Just realize you're spending too much time with those cooperate clones you used to despise!
Maybe she's spending so much time with them because she needs to work a lot to support the family since Daniel never seems to hold a job. Maybe if Daniel held a job and brought in money, Miranda wouldn't have to work so much.
Yes
Yeah but Daniel would be compromising himself to such a degree if he got a 9-5, that he'd be a shell of himself and set a bad example for his children.
@@BrettPrice1983 kids cant eat principle. Kids cant live in "moral high ground " they can only eat food and live in a domicile. Only money buys that
Agree to the fullest
@@rogergarrison4271 However money doesnt buy love or any abstract stuffs. It can only buy material possesions. So technically She is still a bad mother, even if she worked her ass off. Although Daniel should cooperate too. Both of them were not helping one another.
One of the greatest movies ever made. Seen it hundreds of times.
No affect to Daniel but he should have known that his son couldn’t have a party since he’s on punishment.
I can't hate Miranda. Daniel was too much and needed to grow up or seek help. Stu was a better man.
I used to love this movie until my family went through a divorce. The family law and the emotions are 100% accurate.
I understand her point. He’s always trying to outdo whatever she does. He doesn’t even ask for her input. He just does whatever he wants.
Though getting a divorce was too harsh. He isn’t a monster.
0:25 "The party's over"
poor kid, bless his little heart
1:17 - "IT'S OVER! IT'S OVER..." Makes me want to cry every time. 🥺
I like that the sitcom parent dynamic(deadbeat manchild husband and overly strict nagging wife) is played very straight in this movie.
You can see his heart just breaking as realization dawns on him that its over
This movie really nails the realistic arguments, both have a point and refuse to understand each other or see the other's point of view.
This scene hurt as a kid. But this is the America we live in. Love and give unconditionally to your life partner and expect nothing in return because you’re already a happy, whole complete person on the inside. Divorce doesn’t have to be in your future!
I remember Sally Field from "Smokey and the Bandit" where she starred alongside Burt Reynolds, may he too rest in peace 😥😥😥
He's a great, if immature, father for their kids but a horrible husband for her. She simply doesn't need the stress and hassle that he constantly creates. She can admire that aspect of him on behalf of their children from afar as he makes their children happy as seen by the end of the film where she gets it in the courtroom, understands what drives him to act the way he does. It's not for her personally & she doesn't want or need to deal with it or be near it day in, day out under the same roof BUT she does come to respect and understand his personality from a non romantic point of view. She's not in love with him anymore and never will be again BUT she totally gets that he's an amazing father for her children.
He grows too. I would say at the beginning of the film he had some good things he did as a father, and some terrible things he did. He needed to grow as a father too and he did, through becoming Mrs. Doubtfire.
He wasn't a great father. He was a father that was great at an aspect of fatherhood. Being fun and engaging. There's also a financial aspect to fatherhood and he failed that miserably at the beginning
Miranda: Why am I the only one that feels there has to be rules?! Why do you always make me out to be the heavy?!
Me: That's pretty much how I felt with my ex-wife by thinking. "Why am I the only one who feels there has to be priorities?! Why do you always make me off to be the selfish one?!"
It turned out the woman I was married to had mental depression and always believed that marriage was supposed to be the "only" priority instead of the "first" priority. That should teach people that there’s a difference between first priority and only priority.
Rest In Peace, Robin Williams, 👑👑👑👑 Comedy Legend.
This is why I will never marry. I could never handle all that stress and strain.
I'm more on Miranda's side here. Coming home to animals and a wild party and possibly being charged a penalty for having wild animals in the streets. Having to come home and clean that mess up. Plus Chris couldn't have a party because of his bad grades she at least brought him a cake and a few gifts. Top it off Daniel quits his job for the silliest of reasons.
Daniel(robin Williams)didn't just quit he was fired and plus the old lady who lived next door called Miranda (sally field) and told her about the party.
You sound like a bore to be with. I feel sorry for your spouse if you have one.
Daniel at least got to say p..pp..pp..p..piss off Lou!
@@ashleysmith8402 no he did quit because he didn't like the content of the cartoon he was voice acting for and walked out and the neighbor was right to call her
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Yeah, no one else is gonna say it so I will. The character of the the mom is a homewrecker, chose her career over her family, ruins, anything that’s fun, is constantly insecure about how much her children love her, and is jealous of the love, her children have their father. This woman is a horrible human.
She was the bread winner and she did most of the domestic labor. She was the adult in that marriage. It was too much
My parents never was married when I was born,Or together when I was growing up at that. The thing I learn is you cannot make someone fall in love you, nor use your kids to save a relationship or marriage. Like some kids grew up when they parents divorced and went crazy, me I accept it a move on.
When I was kid I thought she was so mean and now that I’m adult I understand her hahaha
Same, I did not get this scene before my parents separated but now they are separated it hits and I understand Miranda’s case
poor chris its his birthday and his parents are fighting and getting a divorce that's an awful thing to happen on your birthday
to be fair, I think it was all the neighbor lady's fault that this is happing. she called Miranda at the office and informed her of what was going on knowing full well that she was going to start trouble. she should have minded her own business.
Exactly! Miranda should've come home,and got Daniel and the kids,and they should've all,as a family,gone over there and beat the living hell out of her,for butting in!
@Patronus88 She had farm animals crawling around on her property. What would you do if you had that kind of crap going on? Daniel was told no parties. There comes a time when you have to put children in their place when they don't hold up their end of the bargain. Children have a job called school. If they don't do their job then no fun until it gets better. Period!
@@mimikinmiracle83 I see what you are saying but it was none of the neighbor ladies business.
@@aminsadeghpour1549 the animals were invading her porch. That made it her business. Any way you try to justify it Daniel shouldn't have done it
@@rogergarrison4271 I see what you mean. Daniel was trying to be a cool dad but he has to make the kids face their responsibilities.
If this happened to me because of a significant other, I would divorce her or break up with her.
Both Sally Field and Robin Williams had both been through divorces in their own personal lives prior to the movie too.
I always hated the mom in this movie I would love to have a father like that
I don’t like parents getting a divorce
No one really does. But, sometime it is better for everyone involved if they do get a divorce.
This movie hits at home for me, I remember my parents arguing so much back when I was eight. I remember everything so vividly and the horrible things my parents were calling each other. I remember the whole pain in emotion when my parents got divorced back in the year 2000. This movie really helped me through such a difficult time during my childhood.
Robin says to Sally "your a different person you really are"...foreshadowing to Daniel becoming a better father and him turning into Mrs Doubtfire!!
I was in tears at the end of this scene.. going through a divorce myself at the moment
Maybe it’s cause I’m only 18 but to this day I don’t understand the custody situation. Like he wasn’t allowed to see his kids much.. why? They’re his kids too. I get both adults being at fault for the divorce, but why does no one ever ask the kids what they want? Did no one ever consider the kids might want to see their dad more than just one day a week?
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I had learned that telling someone to "Lighten Up" is a dark and immature phrase and not a light phrase. I pretty much said that to my dad once and he got really angry. It was like learning from childhood when my parents also told me not to say the other phrase "shut up." What do you think of that?
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Today thats a million dollar mansion
Try 3 to 4 million. Qualified employees fresh out of college are living in bunk beds dormitories for $1000 a month.
I had to rewatch this again and the part where Daniel says " We can work our problems out" and Miranda responds with " We've been trying to work them out for 14 years" . I was like WTF? . The kids were 15,13 and 6 so what the heck? Lydia was 1 when they started having issues? . Seems like they either never should have had kids or for that matter they probably should never have gotten married in the first place.
The kids were 13 years (Lydia), 12 years (Chris "Christopher"), and five years (Natalie).
i dont know where you got your info because the characters ages were never revealed. the actors actual ages were 15,13 and 6.
I straight up would never marry a man that didn't have a secure career. That's just a bad idea.
@@catholicfemininity2126 speaking as an artist i often find it difficult to secure a long term relationship with anyone who isn't a fellow artitst for this exact reason. Fairly understandable tbf though
Salley field looks and acts so much like my mother in real LIFE. I almost thought my own Mother is in this movie.
Rest in peace Robin Williams
“I have no choices here, Daniel! I have no choices!”
For some reason that part always makes me laugh 😂. I think it’s because of how annoyed and frustrated she is when she says it.
It scared me a little when I was a kid. 😂
Incredibly sad, gripping just heart wrenching scene. When I was a kid, I could feel his heart just being crushed. I had goosebumps at this scene, still gets me. My parents divorced two years after this and it hit even heavier everytime I would watch this scene
I feel bad for the son. He has to live with his parents splitting apart on his birthday.
Love Sally field love her as sassy the cat from homeward bound
I'm kinda so-so on this. Yes it's true, it wouldn't kill Daniel to be strict every now and then rather than make the kid's play favorites and yes Miranda shouldn't be so uptight all the time. What I like about this movie is that it's one of the few that manage to convince us that both sides have a point rather than one or the other. The only thing I don't like though and this may lean me more toward's Daniel's side of things was Miranda's smug lawyer. At the end of the film when Daniel makes a passionate plea and it was so good that it pretty much moved Miranda, with the Judge carrying out a sentence stricter than the last one, she was sporting this shit-eating grin while Miranda realized how much she took her side of things too far.
I couldn’t stand that lawyer either. Anyone who keeps children from their loving father is a heartless monster, to me.
@@StealthMode3924 the thing I hate about it the most, was that she treated it like it was something Miranda wanted, even though the look on her face says otherwise.
Why would she divorce him, he's a good guy and an awesome dad!
Sure he was a very loving father but he was NOT a good husband
Daniel is also a fun dad to his kids, too, because he loves spending time with them.
The look on his face. She doesn't want him. 😪
I really don't think Miranda was not the right woman for him anyway even thoe he didn't cleaned up he was supposed too.
I felt sorry for Daniel how he loved her alot.
But I'm glad latter on in life they became friends later.
They are both at fault, Miranda is right that she works for so much during her day to make money and help take care of the children because Daniel doesn’t have a full-time career or job himself, she works her hardest and while Daniel does his part as the kids father by making them happy, laugh and have fun, which is good of him, it doesn’t help that Miranda is made out to be the bad guy by raining on the parade but because she is responsible and has rules that she wants the kids but seemingly Daniel to follow the most, Daniel definitely doesn’t mean to upset Miranda and make her feel the way she feels here, he is right to want to try and work things out with Miranda but as Miranda says it’s been 14 years and she’s overwhelmed, of course it wasn’t fair for her to suddenly just say she wanted a divorce, I mean I might be wrong but shouldn’t Daniel have also had the right to agree since he didn’t or shouldn’t they as parents have had a chance to discuss and talk it through before actually going through with it?
Yeah, you wouldn't be happy if you had to work all day and instead of coming to a peaceful quiet home to relax with your spouse making you dinner and a clean home... you come to a noisy place with a donkey and random strangers everywhere. And this doesn't happen just once, but all the time apparently.
When I was a kid, I asked my aunt if she would divorce my uncle if he threw a party like that. She said that she would consider it 😂
I would.
I understand Daniel was immature and laid back BUT people who have watched the movie she was excited to meet Stu again, Divorce Daniel and barely a month she is already with Stu dating while Daniel was doing everything to see his Children if anyone is to blame is Miranda cause I saw a man who wanted to FIX the Relationship not just throw it away for a Career and a Better Man
Chris Santiago you described it perfectly. She was so selfish
Chris Santiago Miss the point much?
@@ianfortuna9385 True but she did tell Stu she was at the beginning of a divorce when they saw each other again after so long. So she at least told him her situation. But yeah she did jump into a relationship with him quick.
Lily Zerep I would've knocked my mother senseless if she did that both my parents are divorced but they've been separated for over 5 years so it's whatever
Please, she had just been set free from fourteen years of man-baby.
I remember the scene where she said"One day, his jokes just stopped being funny..." And then "He never knew but so many nights, I cried myself to sleep."
Always felt the lack of communication led to worse things. Which also led to feeling a lack of love and then overcommitment to their jobs where he got burned out and she liked it better there than home.
I know divorce happens and sometimes it's for the best but there was no communication and she kept it from him. Which makes her dishonest. I'm divorced myself but I communicated to my wife, went to marriage counseling with my wife,did everything I could. Everyone told me she was just using me and leave her, everyone said divorce her, she is awful to you but I actually tried. It wasn't until she admitted she didn't care who I f*cked or who I live with,as long as she gets a paycheck from me and her pain meds.
Then I divorced her.
In this movie, I just never saw effort from her. Complaining about everything, unfeeling to the husband (until the end), quick to just drop him and find another, eager to take the children from him, always a list of excuses. In the end part, she redeemed herself but I feel she failed the marriage.
Shes just wanted James bond dick that's all it was. She hired a nanny to take care of the kids and house the lazy bitch.
She said she tried to talk to him but he didn't took things seriously, even in this scene he tries to avoid talking about their problems, when she says that their problems would be waiting for them he just says they would move, in this case it's not like your divorce it's not that they didn't care about each other but all the pain she had to go through because of him made her stop loving him, it wasn't a misunderstanding
I love analyzing this movie. I know that if I was a working mom like Miranda, and I come home to a house that's trashed with strangers, loud music, and partying when I just want a nice quiet rest and a home cooked meal with my family, and when I try to share my concerns I get yelled at and called uptight......... I'd be sick. Imagine if the genders were reversed.
The only thing Miranda did wrong was not going to counseling. Daniel simply needed to get his act together and the marriage might've been saved, but he waited too late. Notice how happy Miranda was to come to a clean house, kids did homework, and dinner was ready... who wouldn't be relieved to come home to that?
Thing is Miranda was a stick in the mud and ruined the fun for everyone involved
Just hearing these arguments brought me back to being a kid.
miranda had already met the other guy.
Absolutely!!! See her face light up and her voice crack when she heard,he wanted to see her personally?! At that moment,the fantasy was already there and the marriage was over!
When i was a kid. I felt i understood Sally Field's perspective. But as i get older I sympathized more and more with Robin Williams. Robin/Daniel made mistakes, but to me the first option should never be divorce.
Ive seen as ive aged how mufh divorce has ruined people, society, and perspective on family. To me, Miranda was lucky to have a man who want so prideful to refuse that he made a mistake or was wrong, or how dedicated he was as a father. Issues like these can be worked out.
This isn't an affair or he's gambling or drugs or anything damaging. I think the biggest problem is how easily people give up on their partners. If i ever can get married, i will never give up on my wife. Never.
Hell i wish i had a father that caried visibly as much as Robin Williams in this.
R.I.P. Robbin Williams . You were such a brilliant actor . You were funny but you can also play serious roles . Such a well rounded actor .
Honestly I get where she was coming from here and I’m glad they stayed apart, sometimes a couple are better apart then together.
Oh that's great, she called her and she bust the birthday party that's great!😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
So much a man can take to impress a woman and yet they're ungrateful. We work hard for the family and provide and try our best to give them the world but you know females
She's literally the breadwinner
She give up on him when he didn't give up on his marriage. That's cold of Miranda
My wife is one of the tidiest and cleanest people I've ever met, since marrying her I actually like to clean to make her happy. I would be too afraid to do even a tiny-fraction of what the dad did here and would have apologized up to Heaven and back if I did it!
My parents got divorced when i was 3 years old, I'm 23 now, and my parents still didn't get along real well. 😞
I never thought that Genie was married to Marina del Ray.
To those who's parents who are going through a divorce you have my sympathy..my parents are too
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Be strong and in the end , one of them will still support you and they can never abandon you
Daniel is a monster.
when I was a kid I loved this movie because it was funny. Now that I'm an adult and divorced myself I find it hard to watch.
Good luck, Cody
I understand that Miranda didn't want to be with Daniel anymore. However, not letting the children spend time with him was extremely wrong on her part!
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RIP Robin Williams. Such a sad scene.
Miranda: We have nothing in common.
Daniel: Sure we do. We love eachother.
Me: Uh Daniel that's not having anything in common.
She doesn't have anything in common with the next guy either.
@@L1am21 uh yeah she does. They both work in interior designing, they are both very responsible, they both love the restaurant Bridges, and a lot of other things.
Great acting! I was sad when she said I wanna divorce and when he started crying