The Mac Pro 5,1 will be obsolete in 2024 (for me, anyway)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Oh and for the record, I don't talk about the later Mac Pros for the following reasons...
2013 (6,1): GPU solutions are pricey, CPUs weak these days, thermal performance ropey.
2019 (7,1): Paying $3000 for a machine going on 5 years old is genuinely outrageous, it'll likely never see an OS later than Sonoma unless you use Windows.
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Honestly, we were told that these machines were becoming obsolete about a decade ago. Depending on what kind of work (or play) you’re doing, these machines can keep going and going indefinitely. If higher performance is an issue, then of course, get a new Apple M series. Otherwise, keep them rolling ‘til the end of the decade (or beyond) and stick it to the planned-obsolescence man!
Yeah hard to swallow since back then they cost more than laptops and with the idea of upgradable.
I have a 5,1 I just got a few months ago. I am running Monterey fully updated with OCLP and an RX 5700 XT, dual X5690, and 96 GB of RAM. I haven't noticed any of these slow downs, although I only use the machine for learning blender, listening to Spotify, watching movies, and a bit of hobby programming. I don't use it for gaming because I have a gaming PC. I have run Ubuntu before and it works very well.
That being said, Monterey is probably the last version of macOS that I will run on this machine, since it is the last that works on Intel without AVX. Soon this will become a Linux Only machine.
I think it’s still ideal for just basic computing like Spotify etc. Just a bit tricky about AVX etc, yes.
I’ve yet to try Ubuntu. Probably should.
I’m running Sonoma on my 5,1 right now and it is absolutely perfect !
@@TheRough2005 What GPU are you using?
As I have mentioned before, I reckon that the 5,1 will perform much better with a lightweight Linux OS., installed.
I remember you saying, yeah.
I think the problem for me is apps like iMovie and Photoshop have become unavoidable in my workload.
Better day to day use is one thing, but the real power tasks more often get slowed down by the older parts, as opposed to the operating system, and either must be run on Windows/MacOS.
I’m not sure I’ve worded my point right, but hope that makes sense lol.
@@montaguebarnabasltd Yes, some modern components are not as backward compatible as they could be. Have you tried Ubuntu Studio yet, it will probably have applications which can be used instead of the two which you mentioned.
...and of course you can still keep the 5,1 running alongside whatever else you go for. I'm in a similar 5,1 situation and I even still run on 10.13.6 purely because the other Macs in my setup are all on the same OS but mainly because I refuse to pay Adobe a monthly subscription for software I've already bought. Eventually I'll have to upgrade to some form of silicone Mac although the 5,1 runs FCPX edits buttery smooth at 1080. It's purely the non supported web browsers and Apps that that are really curtailing it's continued use. Hey ho!
Yep. All true.
My old Photoshop installation is never leaving my side.
Cool, I use High Sierra for the same reason (I have a non metal MacBook) and the solution for me has been using Chromium Legacy, it may have some bugs but most of the time it works perfectly, and with PWA compatibility, there is no reason so far to me for updating anytime soon.
Great video 👍 I use my MP 5,1 (12-Core / Radeon VII / Big Sur 11.2.1 / OC) for video editing, which works rock solid with Resolve 17.4.6. I have hesitated updating the OS, because I did not want to loose performance or get any bugs … Your video seems to prove that.
Good to hear! Yeah it varies per use case, but probably a good idea to stay on 11.2.1 if it’s stable
You've missed the real replacement: the 2018 intel mac mini. 6-core i7, egpu support through thunderbolt 3, windows support, etc. Mine is 64GB Ram and runs a 6600XT from a Chroma X egpu.
replacement? the i7 mini scores lower than a 5,1 in geekbench
Interesting idea. I’m gonna have to look into that - might make a good video!
Ya but it supports modern OSs and thunderbolt 3 egpus@@limbotecinc
The 2018 Mac minis are going for the same price as the 2020 M1 minis. People who want Windows capabilities are snapping them up.
For what it's worth, I have a 5,1 running Monterey and it's not having the issues mentioned. But it is a single core version, and it's not as upgraded.
It's very doubtful that I'll go past Monterey. Give how well the 2012 mini runs Linux I expect Linux will run just fine on the Old Pro.
with opencore, the mac pro also supports those same OS's and those same GPU's@@nathmorris1
As a happy M1 MacBook Air user myself, I would love to see M1 tests in your workloads, from time savings to power draw! And a question: when you render your videos, is it RX 6600 XT doing the job with AMD VCE, or does it render on the CPU cores? Because idk if the drivers are offical and they support it, just curious.
Hey, I will absolutely do time savings and performance tests comparing the 2 when I get hold of an M1 device :,)
In the meantime, I’m using the CPU to render, using iMovie.
I’ve thought about using Davinci before, as using my GPU is a nice prospect, I just haven’t had the time this year to learn a new editing software.
I'm on 3,1 for 15 years. I decided to upgrade my desktop pc instead of Mac. IMO Mac mini is affordable enough.
I think you made a good choice.
New to your channel, love it and just subscribed! I don’t understand why you have so few subs…
Hey, that means a lot! Thank you. I’ll get there one day ;)
I've been using my 5,1 heavily for photo editing until about 2 years ago, now it's mostly my backup and data machine.
But it runs very very well under Monterey. I don't have any of those stutters you're showing. I have a 12 core, that's the only thing I could think of?
That machine is still pretty powerful, most of the time it will be idle at 2% CPU usage and never swaps because of the big amounts of RAM.
Really, I have no idea which Mac to get as a replacement. There just is real successor. No newer Mac can even hold a single hard drive, get me 64 GB of RAM or 1-2 TB of NVME without selling my kidney. I'm holding on to it for a while.
i had these beachballing issues using Martin Lo's opencore but they completely went away after moving to open core legacy patcher
I've had a Mac Studio for the last year and half. It's the base M1 Max version, and it runs circles around any mac I had before. The Apple Silicon macs are simply amazing.
I'm on a 5,1 now. Monteray .. need to upgrade the OS though.I have the DUAL 3.33 XEON and RADEON graphics. GOing to get the PCIE 3 in 1 for storage and boot drive.
Sounds good. Yeah PCIE is a bigger upgrade than people realise.
How would a 2018 Mini compare to the 5,1 ?
I’m with u ,and sad too because I’m new in this and was going to buy one and still thinking about it after ur video,because I live in Egypt,the price is over crazy there!,they still sell MacBook Pro 2015 for 500$
But Mac Pro 5.1 with dual cpu even with ati gpu,4TB HHD and MacOS 10 for just 150~200$(I know it’s expensive but it’s reality in Egypt and other countries) u may ask to build pc but even for 800$ can’t get close to Mac Pro 5,1 with rx580 8g
So the question is still get one good idea ?(in my condition?) or what I do?
And thx for ur hard work,why u didn’t make web or something to people who really love Mac Pro 5,1 ,with all ur experience many people will use it and thx u for next decide (include me) and thx again if u read this❤ (bad grammar sry) I just want to send u message that people still going use what u learn so don’t be sad it’s end at ur door,it’s will start at anther door
Thanks for the lovely comment!
I’m still making old mac content as that’s my channel’s main focus lol.
I think it depends what you’re using it for. Gaming and lighter stuff like Photoshop or 1080p video editing works fine for the next couple of years.
This thing isn’t old, so it still offers great value for money. It’s definitely not new, though. Make sure you boot from an SSD otherwise it’ll be super slow.
If you wanna have a machine that’s less old, I’d recommend buying a used office PC, then putting a dedicated GPU like the RX 480 or something inside. It’ll make for a decent 5,1 competitor at a similar price.
Yeah I’m working on getting a discord together. If you haven’t already, check out the definite 5,1 upgrade guide by Greg Gant. Lots of reading there!
1:10 I wonder if that's a specific problem with monterey iMovie, as my 2020 iMac used to have that problem too.
That’s really interesting to hear. I think it’s a mix of the general slowness and that. Final Cut was bad but not as!
What I have is a Mac Pro 5.1 from 2009 flashed. its the 12 cores 3.33 version. I don't even use Mac OS anymore but I do have Monterey installed on open core on SSD.
I switched to Windows a couple of years back. I installed Cubase 12 Pro on both sides on different drives and found that it worked identical or even better on Windows.
I recently cloned my Windows 10 drive on SSD to M.2 and upgraded it to Windows 11. All seems to work perfectly. I ordered a Mc Fiver card still waiting for it and will put the m.2 into it to get double the speed. I'm happy like that. Listen to my music has Marc Evo. Peace and may you be happy. I was built for comfort not speed an old friend use to tell me. I still think its funny today.
I've thought of replacing my 5,1 with a Mini. It's used as a server for Plex and files, ultimately I need a good drive enclosure and those aren't cheap.
I'm running Ventura on my 2010 mac, using OpenCore, in spite of that fact that people who know a lot more than I recommend stopping at Monterey. (I also have run Big Sur with no issues.)
HOWEVER, my 2010 computer runs better with Ventura (i.e., faster) than with any other operating system, going back to Mojave and before. It also runs reliably, with no hiccups. Sonoma, on the other hand, runs a little slower and offers no advantages, that I find valuable, over Ventura.
If I didn't know better, I would think that my machine was designed with Ventura in mind. I'm that happy with it.
One other point: I judge the speed of a computer by how it performs with Photoshop. Photoshop, Ventura, and my computer are getting along quite nicely.
Brilliant! Good to hear Ventura’s doing all you’d like it to.
Complex Photoshop tasks make for good benchmarks honestly, for all but the GPU anyway.
Thanks for your very pleasant reply. Other than Scrabble, I'm not a gamer; so I can't speak to that.
Speaking of Photoshop performance: Two tasks tell the tale. How well does the remove tool work, and how well does the add-on Topaz work? Both are much faster, I'm sure, with a silicone mac, but they're good enough in my machine. The other Photoshop tools that I commonly run are flawless.@@montaguebarnabasltd
I'm using a 17" MacBook Pro 5,2, i bought it a few weeks ago and i have Monterey & Windows 10 installed. I think each macbook reacts differently to Monterey on opencore, mine has a boot up issue where it won't boot sometimes with battery power even if it's 100% so it needs to be plugged in to boot up. I bought this macbook to replace my windows 10 laptop that was driving me insane for basic tasks, i love how a 2009 macbook can run windows 10 seamlessly compared to my 2013 windows laptop. I have been greatly impressed with it's overall performance on Monterey & Windows 10 especially as it's nearly a 15 year old macbook.
It’s really interesting that they all have different problems. My father had the same model, 17” 2009, and the exact same thing happened with boot. I’ve never had that issue on another, though!
Yeah windows performance on these machines slaps.
@@montaguebarnabasltd has your father always had that model? it must have felt like a huge upgrade back in 2009 because it can watch 720p/1080p easily on youtube, i remember struggling to watch 480p on my windows vista laptop back then haha
@@ColinsCity He actually had a 2008 until about 2015. That was fine on El Capitan. After that it was a 2012, followed by a ‘downgrade’ to a 2009 because of the nicer screen size. Honestly after Apple switched to Intel, they all seemed super speedy until M1 dropped!
@@montaguebarnabasltd wow that's cool, the screen size is actually amazing on the 17" macbooks, it's a shame about the graphics issues on the 2011 models because they can hold 16GB of ram. I need a laptop with CD drive to import CDs that i buy or burn CDs so it's perfect for these tasks, i really bought it to put windows 10 on it but never expected it to run this good especially on a much newer OS
@@ColinsCity yeah it’s a pain, and I’d definitely buy one without the issues.
I think I’m pretty close to moving to M1 these days. Won’t stop me making videos about these older things, though!
Hi. Only a question: how did you manage to install Windows on 5.1? I imagine you do not have a bootscreen with this GPU. And running OCLP makes it hard to boot “in blind”.
It is no doubt difficult to boot blind.
My GPU is flashed with a custom ROM meaning I do have a boot screen - I talk about it in my ‘Mac Pro 5,1 upgrade’ video.
The card was bought from MacVidCardsEU, who do the custom flashing very well.
@@montaguebarnabasltd ah ok. Understood now! 👍 I was suspecting this or the firmware module to add GOP support. Thank you very much for your quick reply!
@@andreicristea3807 thanks for watching
FYI I had all kinds of hangs on my 4,1 Mac pro flashed with 5,1 firmware with Montrey. It was NOT stable. Surprisingly once I upgraded to Ventura all those issues went away and it even runs Sonoma just as good.
Interesting. Might have to give it a go at some point, yeah.
Try reapplying thermal paste , if it acts up , my machine stopped being slow with a reapplication of thermal paste
That’s really good advice, thank you. My thermal paste application was shoddy at best, and I forgot to re-do it.
Maybe a 7,1 is one you could use and get opencore onto it with Windows10/11.
tho m1/2 could be one u want if u like apple.
for mine it sometimes needs bootingup a few times or an pram reset using opencore legacey patcher boot selecter after pressing the (spacebar)
and sometimes that has helped a bit with booting issues that do go after a few times of force restart.
it may help with a few other issues u have with loading... but im not sure.
mine has 2 of the 6cores making it a 12core and its ran smoothly once booted on MACos- Sonoma
but i think power use is a worry especially now days.
i do wish i waited 3yrs to get the last intel version. who knows what Apple will do in 1 or 2yrs with our
epic intel macs
I’m just a little sick of babying my computer to make it do what I bought it for lol. I will try those things, thank you!
M1 will be my next port of call I think. An M1 air.
Bro, the real deal breaker is AVX2 cpu instructions. Many pro apps are request it for new versions and updates. Is a dead end for pros. I love this machine (I think the better desktop machine in history), I will keep it for windows and gaming. And maybe with a thunderbolt card to connect it to a Mac Studio for pci extra storage?
You’re not wrong there. Would’ve been a good point for me to mention.
Yeah that’s certainly a possibility! Might be a bit power hungry though…
OCLP with ventura is pretty stable for me. 2 x 6 core 3.4 ghz, radeon vii, 128gb ddr3 1333mhz, nvme for MacOS and Windows 10. usb3 add-in card and titan ridge thunderbolt card round out the machine. also upgrade wifi card to bcm943602cdp
You won't be able to use Adobe 2024 or anything that requires AVX, but 2023 still runs fine, so does avid media composer, logic, etc. multicore performance is about half of an m1 pro
😮OMG! You have the same random spinning ball problem as I do! God! I am not alone!! I have the same configuration: Mac Pro 5.1 and RX6600XT... Martin Lo Open Core and Monterey... The same frustrating problem, with the same cause as you mentioned: it gets laggy with a random color wheel... or sometimes even without coming out of sleep... just by starting Safari, for example. I tried many things, but have no idea where it comes from. Recently, I completely reinstalled Open Core, disabled SIP, blessed, etc., and it seems to me that the problem occurs much less frequently now. It's hard to say, as I don't use the Mac Pro under macOS too often. It's more of a Windows gaming machine at the moment... and shows absolutely zero issues running Windows... (yes, it's a Mac). This problem drives me nuts when I encounter it. Do you know where it comes from? I would have already bought a new Mac if the Windows side wasn't working so well.
I know someone in the Facebook group 'Mac Pro Upgrade' has the same issue as well. I will share your video with him. As for the future, I plan to wait for a refurbished M3 Max... So I have some time ahead of me. But I agree with you. The 2019 Mac Pro is a dead end. It's time to switch to M-series Macs. On the laptop side, I'm using a trusty 2015 MacBook Pro... It's starting to show its age. A bit slow when connected to an external display and forget about recent gaming...
Thank you for a detailed comment, and for watching!
I’m sorry to say I’ve not found the cause of that spinning rainbow dot. I suspect it could be something to do with the PCIE SSD, as this machine was definitely designed to boot off SATA SSDs.
Since MacOS Monterey is 3 OSes newer than the 5,1’s last native update (Mojave), I won’t be surprised if the spinning rainbow ball happens because of a process happening that the old processors and memory weren’t designed to handle.
Thanks for sharing my vid. I’m aware of the group, but haven’t paid it much attention recently.
Best of luck.
@@montaguebarnabasltd I had the problem with Monterey on a Sata Ssd... Yes I think it has to do with Monterey or Open Core...
i had the same problem until i moved from Martin Lo to open core legacy patcher and now its back to being flawless
@@limbotecinc Ok thanks. Something to try...
Is the solution then to build a hackintosh? Sonoma still supports intel CPUs and the next few OSX versions should as well since the last Intel macs rolled off production lines just this year. That means they should be supported for at least another 3 OSX versions and then for 2 years after that since apple maintains the most recent 3 versions of OSX. So that’s 5 years at least
ive had the 2012 for 5 years now, i have no such beachballs, but im only into audio so thats probably where the difference is.
Yeah could be. May you have many years more usability!
It be sad day when i finally retire my old Mac Pro 5.1 but they have aged well as no windows machine last this long still from that era. I'm just glad there was awesome group opencore allow still run newer Mac OS X maybe not perfect but still very useable. Being able to run Monterey I should be able get few more years out of it still even as of 2024 as mainly use now for Plex server and basic web surfing. Yes best option which what i did was get cheap M1 and just build gaming pc to your liking if you're want dual options
You sound like me lol. Opencore is a blessing to us al! Yeah good choice with the cheap M1.
I don't want to agree that the 5,1 is becoming obsolete, but I do. I had traded up to an RX 6800 in my 5,1 and came to realize that the 5,1 was costing a lot of performance. So, I won an HP Z440 with (700W power supply) on eBay. $66 + shipping. This is the RX 6800's home now. Compared to the 5,1, the Z440 has double the CPU Geekbench score, PCIe 3.0 vs. 2.0 (2x the bandwidth), 2133 MT/s vs 1333 MT/s. Still, it bottlenecks the RX6800.
I also was given a 2018 MacBook Pro as ewaste. Turns out, disabling graphic switching solves its display freezing problem so this has become my main MacOS machine. I still use the 5,1 from time to time, though, just because I like it.
Sounds like you’ve got a good setup sorted. I haven’t done what I suggested in the video yet, but I’ll probably go a similar route to you eventually.
Glad to hear about re purposing the MacBook, as well!
There are a couple things of upgrades you can do, to further speed up your system. #1 You should absolutely use a 2-slot GPU in order to free up you PCIe slot directly above the GPU. This is the slot where your NVME drive needs to go. Yours is in slot 3 and can't perform its max potential. Sell your GPU and go for a AMD 6800 dual slot card and put a pixlas mod in to run it. This way your SSD can finally perform as expected. If you can, look for AMD RADEON Pro GPUs such as the W5700 with those blue shrouds.
Not trying to knock your advice as it does seem helpful, but I feel like there’s a couple of reasons this won’t work for most.
1. Don’t you mean I should use a single slot card? Mine is 2 slot currently, and covers almost #1 and #2.
2. While you’re right that a 16x slot would offer better performance, I don’t think it would make my Mac any more useable. I’ve got problems where it will just freeze doing a task in iMovie, for example. The 4X slot already offers roughly 1300mb/s read/write speeds. 16x MAY boost that up to 2700, but that depends on my drive being RAID configured as far as I can tell. I’ll move it to the 16x slot since there’s a tiny space for it at the moment and see what happens, though!
3. Unfortunately there’s no way I could sensibly look for a £400-500 graphics card just to fit better in my 14 year old computer. I would avoid the AMD Pro cards, too, as once we have to retire the 5,1s, having a small form factor GPU with not the greatest value for money might be wasted rather in whichever machine becomes the daily driver next.
My 6600XT already presents the CPU in my Mac with a bottleneck in games from 2018.
I’d be the last to mention this normally, but one must remember the day is fast approaching where the 5,1’s DDR3 RAM and decade old Xeons aren’t going to cut it for getting work done, even with workarounds for newer storage and graphics cards.
Thanks for the comment, and I appreciate your time nonetheless ❤️
@@montaguebarnabasltd Well I agree that everything that is technically possible might not be economical, depending on your unique usage. Moving your NVME drive to slot #2 will help somewhat. The real bonus manifests when you use at least a PCIe dual adapter card (bridge card) such as the AbleConn Dual NVME M.2 SSDs Carrier Adapter to use double ssd speed. I/O crest and Higpoint (4x) worked great for many of us as well, but you want a small card not to obstruct your gpu fan too much. I do not recommend Raid, since it is tech from decades ago. You only benefit from Raid if you use hardware adapter cards, the software Raid may help for safety but not much for speed.
When it comes to GPUs, I also agree. If you are not planing to migrate to a MacPro 7.1, it is useless to invest in a PRO GPU now. And that is the problem, all of us MP5.1 users have. The MP7.1 is already too old and still to pricy to make it reasonable to jump the boat. My strategy is to stretch the MP5.1 usage for another 2 years and jump on a 7.1 in 2026. But then, I am not a professional user, just an enthusiast when it comes to the 5.1.
@@Guanaalex Yeahhh we’ll have to see how viable the 7,1 is for the next few years to come. It honestly doesn’t feel like a 9-year improvement on the 5,1.
True about the PCIE SSD cards. A bit tricky for them to be worth it once again. Good luck making your 5,1 last a little longer!
Perhaps you're right about the glitches. I set the USB ports to not sleep and what ever else that doesnt seem to wake up nicely to not sleep.
I use my My Mac Pro for music production mainly on Cubase 12 Pro.
I have the 12 cores setup. I ended up installing Cubase in Windows 10 on a separate disk in UEFI mode using open core.
I was having issues with Cubase 12 Pro in Monterey so I settle to just use Windows 10.
I sometime boot Monterey but see no real use for it? Hey its just me.
I use to only work on Macs I was a graphic designer for 10 years on Mac then a visual game designer on Window for 14 years.
I'm retired I'm 66 but I still play BF4 every night.
Of course I like OSX I've used it all my life it was my career. I started on a 1 Meg of Ram 8 MHz 68000 processor Mac Plus.
I will probably keep my Mac Pro till Windows no longer works on it.
But I do get that M series are way better than anything else at this time.
Thanks for a lovely comment!
I love hearing about how different people use their Mac Pros. Honestly, I think with a couple of patches maybe, Windows will be readily useable on these machines for over half, or perhaps an entire decade.
Glitches are to be expected on an OS intended for newer machines, unfortunately. Nothing either of us can do about it…
If you have lockups, you have other issues going on. You also are not using the dual CPU model. It's night and day. It's NOT just clock speed.
‘Other issues’ appear to be a common occurrence among people I’ve spoken to about this. Repasting my CPU appeared to help slightly… but not entirely. I don’t want to reinstall my OS as, to be honest, I’m anticipating a worse software issue cropping up.
I’d love to get a dual CPU board but right now the cheapest is £130. I understand doubling the core count is a big deal, but 6 2010 Xeon cores are NOT worth that kind of money. Modern CPUs from Intel (the i7 13th gen for example) tend to have roughly 8 power cores, and they cope just fine with far tougher stuff than any 5,1 one.
Bit of a long comment but I thought I’d justify my position a bit!
Make a new video after you get dual x5690's and 128GB RAM. I'm using Monterey on my 3 Mac Pros, and one dual boots to Win11 pro, and it's faster than you think, faster than most mid range gaming PCs. All ultra settings, no lag. The only dead end we are starting to run into is AVX2.
I definitely intend to. 128gb VS 48gb RAM is not going to make a difference gaming, I can assure you. In the next year or so I hope to have a 12-core tray. As I said in my other comment I’m just waiting to find a better price…
AVX2 is a real bummer. We’ll see how it goes.
Yep one of reason why I won’t spend on a newer Mac Pro like the trash can. The upgrades become obsolete pretty quick. I miss the power Mac G3 ans G4 towers.
Yeah, I wish I’d started using a 5,1 sooner to be honest. Makes me think the glory days were over a decade ago, really.
I have 3 5,1 and 1 6,1 run with AMD Vega 56 external
I'm not sure what's going on with your machine. I'm running Ventura on my 2010 5.1 Mac and I have no issues whatsoever. I have 128 GB of RAM and I'm running 12 cores. I am aware that a lot of folks who know more than I that Monterey is the best for my OpenCore machine; however, I find that Ventura runs faster.
After a thermal re-paste things seem to be a little bit better, thankfully! No fix for apps opening quite slowly though.
Did you have any issues with USB connectivity and/or Wi-Fi?
I still don’t understand your point with getting an Apple Silicon Mac over Intel. I get that Intel is gonna be outdated and Apple Silicon is technically more powerful. But you’ve said yourself in a few videos that M# Macs are not very good for video editing and you technically lose features when switching to Apple Silicon since ARM is so much different from Intel CPUs. M# Macs are cool, no doubt, but they don’t seem to be in a very good position to take on traditional x86 devices yet.
Not a definitive answer I’m afraid.
There’s considerable benefits to both platforms. My job at the moment is to point those with limited budgets and knowledge to the right Mac. Generally speaking Apple silicon is the best for everyone, but there are cases where users benefit from Intel machines.
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Fair enough my friend. Good video regardless!
@@KellsKats your comment means a lot, thank you!
Why did you delete my comment pointing out I had the same issue with beachballs and stuff on my own 5,1 Mac Pro running Monterey using OCLP, but solved it by replacing the logic board? Misleading people by framing opinion as information isn't honest.
It’s very rare that I delete comments, and if I do, it’s usually because of misinformation, or a scam of some sort. I welcome you to repost yours, as it sounds like you had some useful info to share, and more than likely a glitch affected the comment.
I’ve never heard that replacing the motherboard could fix such an issue, but if it worked for you, it may for others! My angle has always been that the 5,1 is a brilliant machine, and deserves to be used till the very last day possible.
My point in this video is clearly based on real life anecdotes, which are to be taken as whatever my audience pleases - opinion or otherwise. Sorry if the framing didn’t suit you.
At the moment, £70 is the cheapest I can find a motherboard, so I don’t have the budget to try that. I’ll be sure to come back to this if I do, though.
@@montaguebarnabasltd It must be RUclips glitch. Sorry for assuming otherwise.
I still have my 2009 Mac Pro, but I’ll tell you that the 16GB M1 Mac Mini blows it out of the water and in 2023, there really is no reason not to get one. Having said that, this video is fabulous in that you are showing us how to keep our old Mac Pros useful and not be relegated to the trash heap. And I’d never Windows game on my Mac Pro. I have a dedicated Windows gaming machine for that with a 3080ti GPU which is still good in 2023 for everything except ray tracing. And I did a power test on my M1 Mac Mini the other day, and as you say in this video, it’s ridiculous how little power it uses. My M1 Mini uses around 12-14 watts sitting idle, and under full CPU load it only goes up to 40-60 watts max! That’s rediculous when considering that my windows gaming machine uses around 300 watts idle and up to 700-800watts under full load. 😂 And for me the final and best selling point for the M1 Mac Mini is it runs dead silent! No fan noise! That’s a win in my book.
Thanks for watching! Yeah I’m anticipating a massive boom in my productivity when I’m able to get an M1 device.
@@montaguebarnabasltdAnd if you get the newer M3 Mini which should come out next year, you can Windows game on it using crossover, so there is no need to get a Windows dedicated gaming machine in 2024.
@@BrentLeVasseur I think I’m gonna go for the M1, tbh. Seeing prices down to £375 right now, and for that price the levels of performance are crazy
@@BrentLeVasseur Windows gaming on it using crossover, is nowhere near to gaming on an Intel or Ryzen processor with NVidia graphics card. Let's be honest.
@@DerekDavis213 Have you done it yourself? There is a channel on youtube dedicated to crossover gaming on M series Macs which you should check out. Although you won’t beat a dedicated high end intel/NVIDIA 4090 setup, you can run most windows games at a very reasonable frame rate. If your a competing FPS gamer, then it probably isn’t a good option, but if you are a casual gamer who plays some older titles like say Witcher 3 or Mass Effect and some newer titles then it can do that reasonably well. I’m probably going to get the new M3 Studio next year for doing creative stuff and even though I already have a dedicated Windows/Intel/Nvidia gaming PC, I’m going to run Crossover just to see if I actually need to continue running two separate machines. I’m betting that I probably won’t need to, at least for my gaming needs.
Instead of the i3, you can get a i5 10400f for the same price, which has more cores, more threads, and yes, i get it, those mac pro models are getting long in the tooth, i had a 3,1 a few years back, sold it for 200€, got myself a brand new 1660 super oc edition from asus, and i got a pc in parts for free from a friend, it had a case, ram, mobo, hard drive and optical drive, i only had to source the cpu and gpu, but i had already a gpu, so a 10400f it was, and it consumes way less power, it way faster, and is much more silent than my mac pro. I bought a 2012 macbook pro for dirt cheap, just to be able to use icloud and my paid mac apps on the app store, i don't use it for any heavy tasks, and the performance is good enough for me, with Ventura on it, it runs fine, it's not a speed demon, but it works.
Problem is I need a good Mac too for Final Cut. Still good job and I’m sure I’ll do the same eventually!
I got a 5.1 maxed out. If I have to get a new computer then Ill pick a 2019 Mac Pro. Sadly thats the last upgradable Mac.
I hope Apple will realize that there is no point to buy a 2023 Mac Pro.
Im very sad that you cannot buy an Apple computer that will serve you for 13-15 years nowadays..
I’m absolutely on the fence about the 2019 Pro. On the one hand, it’s the most powerful Intel mac out there, and has insane GPU options, as well as magnificent build quality. On the other, MacOS Sonoma may be its last update, and I can’t see buying a £2000+ machine as viable if I’m going to have to run workaround OSes in order to keep my machine a few years longer.
Have you seen the vids by DMUG on how Apple is killing off the 2019 Pro? It really throws you off when you hear about it!
@@montaguebarnabasltd Yes, the problem is those computers cost around $2-3K minimum.
I really hope that Apple wont fuck this up and stop supporting the 2019 Mac Pro next year.
I saw Greg's video last week and to be honest thats my only concern. Im a HUGE Apple fan, been using Apple products since 2005 (We had Mac in school during the early '90s. I also got a big collection) but with this memory and storage 'scam' I am not planning to buy newer Macintosh computers. I know that those computers are really good and a used one is actually cheap but Apple goes against my views on how a computer should be.
I have many Mac at home and especially the old ones encouraged the users to upgrade memory, swap the battery, the storage or even the CPU and GPU.
At this point running on my 5,1 is an exercise in stubbornness. Let’s see how long I can last before I break down and buy a shiny new Mac.
I’m unfortunately in the same boat.
I used a Mac Pro 3,1 as my daily driver up until the purchase of my base M1 Mac Mini in 2021.....zero regrets.....Sadly, Intel Macs are the past
Very smart move, and you’re not wrong.
Imagine if Apple made a Mac with AMD Ryzen processor, and socketed ram and ssd? Now that would be awesome! Full Windows compatibility too.
Yeah, mine is still a powerhouse. But I'm honestly just tired of having to hack the mac just to keep it updated.
Absolutely. Yeah the writing’s on the wall unfortunately.
You need a dual cpu board.
Possibly. Like I said, I don’t think more CPU cores will help my situation too much as it’s more of a clock speed and memory issue.
You have 1 CPU , you can always get a dual cpu tray and upgrade your cpu.
True that. As I mentioned though, the CPU core count doesn’t improve certain aspects of performance.
There are major problems doing the newest….AHH FORGET IT…most will try-enjoy like I did-but then it gets weird!!!
Once Apple drops Intel Bootcamp support all Intel Mac's will be Windows Mac's .
Honestly game developers need to start developing for macOS as well as Windows
Absolutely. There’s a lot more Linux support lately which I suppose is a step in the right direction
@@montaguebarnabasltd now they need more Mac support so you no longer need a Windows system to play a lot of games
@@montaguebarnabasltd all I ever play is Minecraft and Roblox both of which are available on macOS (however only the Java version of Minecraft is available on macOS)
@@danhutchinsonbackup agreed
@@montaguebarnabasltd this would be great for me as I bloody hate Windows
With silicon Mac’s you cant run older machines os, you have buy apple ssd tax, you stuck internal GPU
Older machines such as..?
Yeah all true. From someone who bought a base model M1 last week, it’s worth it the trade off.
Love my 5,1, though. Will keep using it until it’s no longer viable for gaming.
I don't game, so my 5,1 still good beyond 2024
I suggest you get a used 7,1., if you want to stick with intel. They are getting cheaper !
They’re still over 2k where I am. I don’t quite think they’re worth it sadly
I think they probably still are worth that but people are asking 5000usd here, but probably getting what I paid which is like 2-3000. If you dont need intel just get a macbook M3pro and use it clamshell mode. @@montaguebarnabasltd
They are definitely worth 2k the question is can you afford it ?@@montaguebarnabasltd
Linux has made my Mac Pro a different machine more optimal and better gaming support 👍
Run the first version of Monterey and get rid of Windows.
Get rid of Windows…? That’s the OS I use most commonly these days
Why not just build a Hakintosh PC get best of both worlds
I’ve often thought about that. To me it’s just too much effort and time to research parts etc. And a lot of upkeep potentially.
Or hear me out….a hackintosh
It’s an idea! Just too much constant effort to update and the initial need to buy exactly the right parts puts me off.
Plus I doubt Intel will see updates past Sonoma anyway.
Just upgrade your cpu
Brother I have the max (will go 12 core but I don’t think that’ll help a huge amount for £150)
@@montaguebarnabasltd I recommend upgrading to a Mac Studio
@@BK_PLAYZ well yeah me too, but at £1.8k I think I’ll be waiting a couple of years.
@@montaguebarnabasltd my last option which is getting an older iMac from 2014-2015 5k and then add a Thunderbolt Display which makes a solid option
Would you sell me yours??? (I'm serious)
Are you in the UK? If so I would seriously consider it lol.
Are you aware of the spec?
Lenovo
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meh 👎🏽 i thought this was gonna be a video about the trash can Mac for the 5k retina Mac that fit a similar upgradeable function that the 5,1 does. I’m good on Mac silicon
Sorry to disappoint, I guess…?
Unfixable mic problem, nobody wants to hear your excuses, just take the L
This reads like satire but from viewing your channel I can tell it isn’t, it’s such a funny comment tho
I think you made a common mistake: assuming problems you are having are problems in general. I run a 5,1 12 core with opencore legacy and monterey and its been great. no beachballing. seems like you have an OS problem. maybe do a clean re-install.
It’s possible. I’ve had a few people say they have the same problem, though. For me, it’s not worth the reinstall right now. I have too much delicately organised stuff on there. That’s hours of work potentially, which I can’t spare right now.