Loved the poll to select the GPU, followed by just damaging the thing by accident. Next video idea, choose your own adventure PC build. Chapter selection to see your preferred ending.
@@andrewnotmyrealname7827its not your bad for him already doing a choose your own adventure, pretty sure he didn't do it with a pc build so don't apologize
@@andrewnotmyrealname7827he did "choose your own adventure" style videos, but nothing to do with building a PC. but also, it would take LTT a LONG time to put together a project like that, even longer than the "Ultimate PC Build Guide," which took pretty long, and they also most likely have no interest in doing it. not to shit on your idea, i think it's a pretty cool idea, just challenging and time consuming to produce in the context of building like between tens and hundreds of different PCs to suit every different possible outcome.
Fun fact: Those Titan X cards are sort of collector's items because they're the very last card to have drivers for Windows XP all the way up to Windows 11. They're also the last cards that support the ability to natively drive analog displays. With the Pascal generation, all support for that was finally axed. In my opinion, the Titan X is pretty much the definitive Nvidia card outside of maybe the Quadro K6000.
@@Sparktan24 When you say you got "X times more", you end up with X+1 times as much as you started with. 1GB to 4GB would be 4 times as much, and 3 times more. The same happens with percentages. 100% as much means no change, 100% more means a doubling.
Fun fact, I had this exact config as a workstation for three years during university, although with a Dell R610 and a 3d printed mounting bracket to the side of the server for the gpu. After about a year you don't notice the jet engine below your desk anymore.
I've got an old IBM Pentium 4 server, and you'd swear there was a squadron of harriers taking off when you fire that useless thing up. It was a nice Minecraft server back in the day, but I doubt it would even run modern Minecraft.
It probably wasn't, it was just Apple trying to make the stupidest possible cooling system because Think Different™. It was a server and had otherwise extremely upgradable internals sooooo
get a topography map of the server and make sure to pin the game threads to the CPU that is connected to the GPU, otherwise you're gonna have a really bad time. seems like portal ran on the wrong CPU and Batman ran on the correct CPU, hence the massive difference in performance
on Intel X58 and X79, you have to populate the Memory Channels in order, aka Slot one of a channel first, otherwise no boot. Something to keep in mind.
@@electrikoptikthat has literally nothing to do with anything Apple, and has nothing to do with anything on this channel. please stop forcing your miserable "i only ever talk about politics and how the world is so bad" on us average people who are trying to be happy.
This sounds like an excellent candidate for using with OpenCore. Apple and Steam want the 3,1 server to die, so force it into the modern day with Big Sir or Ventura. Even looks like the scene for that on the forms is fairly active.
Linus, I know that you read some of your comments sometimes, and I just wanted to say how grateful I am for all that you've done for the PC and tech community! I wouldn't know what I do today about PC's and more without you! - Keep up the good work, Mr. Chief Vision Officer. -Parker A.
No they do not read comments at all. They have made it clear they only care about the people who go to float plane what ever the hell that is. Since I do not leave the site for any reason. I will never know what is over there. Not worth it at all to be forced to go else where to leave comments. There is even on youtuber who shut all comments off on videos and now forcing people to visit his forums. Which not everyone cares about. Plus on top of that he now is forcing people to watch videos on his site rather than post them to youtube. People are mad yet they can not express it because he locked it all down. he might as well delete his channel.
You know you really can game on the equivalent Mac Pro. The 4,1 can be flashed to a 5,1, upgraded with dual X5690 and 96GB of RAM. You can install PCIe cards so 10Gbe and NVMe drives work. You can even boot from NVMe if you upgrade to Mojave. I personally like running Ubuntu on these systems.
Look into installing Linux on this. I've had decent luck installing Linux on older intel Macs. Haven't done it on a server though. Could also look into forcing newer versions of MacOS to install
He stated that people have tried to emulate a uefi boot enviroment to no success. This means that linux won't work either, or any other OS than Mac OS for that matter.
@@stefannilsson2406 Linux doesn't necessarily use UEFI. It can be changed to boot in any way imaginable. The only issue is someone would have to actually create the boot loader for it, which might be quite difficult.
My first modern gaming capable system had a Xeon W3520 (i7-920) from the same generation. That was in a HP Z400 Workstation, in 2016 I upgraded the CPU to a X5670 6c/12t and a bit later built a system with a OC capable motherboard. In between I also had a W3550 (i7-950) but that was only for few months I'm still using the X5670 @ 4.4GHz with 24GB RAM and GTX 1080
Fun fact! IBM System x3650 M1s (and likely other models) used a special PCIe connector for the dual 8x riser, which is considerably longer than a normal 16x slot
Funny to think you could have the same 64Gigs on a mITX board in 2021. I know it's not ECC, just shows how hardware ages. And most "gamers" don't care about memory amount and run on 32 or even 16 with high end Mainboards and GPUs :)
I dont know if this will ever be used in a video but i used to power car speakers/subwoofer with a computer powersupply jumping the pins similar to what you did in this video, except it was just a short wire i cut and bridged.
Both the XServe and the Mac Pro of that generation are picky about where you put the RAM, in what pairs and what density. To reach the maximum RAM you have to find the magic combo of density, timing, and amount per stick. There is plenty of documentation related to the Mac Pro which applies almost 1 to 1 for the same XServe.
Pretty sure there is a microcode update hackery to install Westmere cpus. Those offer 6 cores, 32nm and a lot more performance. X5690s are a beast! Would love to see that…
Westmere were "the thing" for enthusiast for some time. I mean unlocked FSB ?! Tri-channel ? OC to double its original speed ?! Too bad Intel threw all of this away in its next gen ... like "forget this has ever happened" kind of mumbo jumbo. And it all happened because of Apple's request ... like a weird marriage that ends and everyone looses with it. Oh well ... I have 4 westmere cpus lying around ... one of those is a X5690 :)
LGA1366 Xeons are still pretty respectable performance on PC too, especially the 6-core models. I ran an X5660 overclocked to 4.6GHz with 24GB of trash can Mac Pro RAM in a Gigabyte board as my main gaming machine for a while. Upgraded to 3000-series Ryzen when they released - mostly because of the X58 chipset's I/O limitations like lack of USB3, SATA3, and NVMe.
Check on limitations. Had to buy pcie cards for usb3 and sata3. Never bothered to install NVMe but I know there are solutions as well. Ryzen 3000 series is a valid upgrade path. Unlike the 1000 series which were unable to beat X58 and this much older xeons XD
Mac memory specs are as tested at Apple. Often you can put in more than the spec on most intel Macs. eg: My CordDuo spec'd to 4 GB, but I installed 4+2 = 6 GB (would not support 8 GB).
Apple also would like to list something as "Max 4GB" because there was only 2 RAM slots and the largest DIMMs you could buy at launch were 2GB, so the maximum you could *configure* it for was 4, once 4GB DIMMs came out later, it was usually down to what the memory controller could address
The RAM problem could also be that it wont boot with that capacity of RAM at that speed. You'd have to get slower RAM to use that capacity. Officially, those CPUs only support 1066 MT/s, and your 16GB DIMMs are probably at least 1333 MT/S.
Regarding the Ram issue , 1366 servers Tend to only allow Dual channel when using quad rank memory . So you will need to leave a channel open per bank ... :) have the same issue .
So made some Hackintoshes back in the day with great success, pretty sure the last supported cards were the 780/Titan. The Titan Black - Maxwell was new architecture and not supported and most forums said do not try. No idea if someone modded drivers to work with newer cards or what you are using, but the stock Mac stuff would never run this. As for the prev gen Nvidia cards, they always worked great for me.
I do totally expect the M class systems to progressively start supporting gaming more. I hope the game devs lean into it... or maybe if Xcloud starts working on it. Until then, there's always Shadow :)
Nehalem... I rocked mine for 8 years but the games i liked to play were often limited to just 2 threads - so 50% cpu utilisation on my i5 yet still CPU limited. SandyBridge was a big jump (like 30% faster) and would still be useable as even the i7 2600K is still used by people.
@@MrCroky123 "Nothing beats Westmere." on the highend sure. But on Desktop it was a step back - only 2 cores instead of the previous 4 for the i5 lineup. thankfully for westmere there were many games that were still singlethreaded back them - so still very good for gaming.
It'd be pretty funny if Apple's reasoning to abandoning the server market was that they could not understand and grasp the aspect of consumers upgrading their hardware instead of buying an entirely new one at full price.... Come to think of it, it's not that far fetched.
Apple painted themselves into a corner with the Xserve. They made it great and mostly upgradable. But once the sale was over, there was little way to make more money from that same customer. No software licensing fees, fairly easy upgradability, and little reason for someone to replace the entire unit. Then there was the company's shift to iPhone and the Xserve just wasn't worth their time anymore.
Yeah, this thread is really revealing who works in IT and who doesn’t. Most places never upgrade servers. They buy a server, use it for 3 - 10 years depending on workload, and then replace it with a newer server.
@@stillmoms Or they use it for 15 years with in place upgrades where applicable, which is the vast majority of cases. I don't think even Google invests in servers every 5 years, the average enterprise server lives its life until it is not capable of meeting the required demands, where I work there is still an DL380 G6 in operation since 2011, that's almost 12 years of service and it still keeps up with what we're asking of it.
I had the Dell version of the Mac Pro 5.1(Westmere) I think you can flash the XServe to suppoort the same processors, but it might report as a Mac Pro 5.1 after, worth the risk to go from 45nm 4 cores, down to 32nm 6 cores, often at either much higher clocks, or lower TDP, the E5649 is the GOAT for lower power budget, high performance, i had a 1U C610 that was reasonably quiet with these, drop in the 60w L5640 and it was whisper quiet The Mac Pro 5.1 and Dell Precision T7500 were great machine, 12 cores at 3.6Ghz all core boost split across 2 sockets The Dell came with 72GB of RAM, but up to 96GB(technically up to 192 GB but this machine had a bug in the chipset that didnt allow for the use of the higher density RAM modules to run properly) I threw in a GTX 1080 and basically gamed on this workstation until the 3950x came out, and was honestly disappointed in the difference in gaming performance, sure some games saw great improvements, but others saw a ~10% difference becuase this was around the time games started supporting more and more cores. IIRC The Division 2 saw less than 5% perofrmance differnce in average and was only 15% faster in 1% lows, and i feel that might have been due to the NVMe being faster than the SATA SSD in the older dell
That Portal-mouse problem also fixes when you just go into the task-manager(or "Forcequit"), switch to another window and then switch back to portal or any other source based game (often half life based games) where the bug is represented.
For all that Linus complains about closed systems and right to repair, I find it annoying when he says that when Steams stops supporting that platform, you can't game anymore. THERE ISN'T ONLY STEAM. Gog does a great job, DRM free, has mac games, and gives you the game files, launcher not needed, meaning even if it goes under, you can still get the games to load on you system if they were once compatible
The "ram issue" is due to these computers (and mac pros) being extremely picky about what slots the RAM is in. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it, but you have to move them ram around at random, as long as it's still in the "optimal configuration" you'll still get full performance. It doesn't seem like it should work like that, but it does. Dell R710s are like that as well, in my experience. For what it's worth, using linux on mac hardware (while usually kinda difficult to install) is as good as it is on any other computer, and will extend the life of the hardware quite a lot. Dual booting macs is pretty common among the "weird people that use 10 year old pro-grade hardware" community.
I have a HP workstation with 2 x5570 xeons from the same generation. Unlike that Mac server it's going to stay out of a landfill because it runs windows 10 and it will soon be running linux. :)
@@Pasi123 it's a Z600 :) I tried installing a couple more modern x5650's in it but they didn't work. Got it to boot once or twice, but it didn't like them. It would boot fine with just 1 of them installed though. Found out that HP made 2 versions of the motherboard and I had the first and older version. The 32 nm cpu's were only supported on the second version.
@@MrCroky123 Yes, you need 2 of the same cpu. So you need 2 x5650 cpu's. But as long as they are both the same model, serial number or anything else shouldn't matter.
the framing in this video having tanner in the background bouncing linus ideas honestly made me think it was a scripted episode of a long running sitcom, i loved it XD
I actually used to game on a mac pro 3,1 until 4 years ago, it had 8 GB of DDR3 ram, dual intel xeon processors, and a GTX 950, but every time there was a software update I'd have to reinsert the older radeon HD 6870 to update the nvidia drivers, I eventually switched to a windows pc because many games weren't supported on macOS, and the few that were often moved to only 10.12 sierra and later, as that was the first version to support metal
That Xserve configuration is about on par with my Mac Pro 3,1 from the Harpertown generation, Despite being the Nehalem gen. For the 2008 Mac Pro there is a way to inject emulated SSE4.2 instructions to the Xeons so you can run metal supporting Radeon cards from Polaris, Vega, and others. Not sure on the latest Navi 3 cards. But 5700xt should probably work. I know the Radeon VII works. Also you should be able to get at least Mojave running on that with some various patching tools and terminal commands.
@@snikeplassken it wasn’t exactly easy to do, but digging thru some forums, a little help from dosdude1 tools, and some time I got it done. I did that back in 2019 maybe 2020. There are probably easier ways than what I did by now.
The irony is laughable, sure. But what is more important is the attitude towards testing old hardware and pushing it to its limits. SO F.... COOL !!! You can laugh at that but I can laugh at your own ignorance. 🤣 ... and it's written rely, btw 🤣
It's nuts that my 70 year old dad is currently using one of the last gen of intel mac minis with an AMD GPU for flight sim over firewire. To be honest, it works surprisingly well
I’m really curious about the new macOS as to what extent devs will port games to it using the new tool… It could actually get people to move over to MacOS who wanted to but didn’t do so because of the limitations in gaming
I'm still running a 2009 Mac Pro as a server/storage. I've upgraded the Wi-Fi module, CPU, GPU, RAM. And I can fit at least 6 drives for storage, and whatever PCI slots are left for M.2 drives.
@@ToneyCrimson , "We chase misprinted lies We face the path of time And yet I fight, and yet I fight This battle all alone No one to cry to No place to call home" Nutshell AIC Suits like a glove ...
the portal screen tearing issue is a fairly universal issue on non-windows pc platforms. i think its an issue with dxvk, but i believe that issue was at least improved on linux.
been doing a church summer camp the last few weeks. Me and another computer nerd have been tasked with salvaging parts of PCs to Frankenstein some old office desktops into semi competent gaming rigs. A couple weeks ago, we actually had an old Mac pro to disassemble. Think it had 8 4GB sticks of ddr3 on risers (might have been ddr2) and it had a full sized GTX 780, which was an amazing thing to randomly find in a PC randomly put upon us by a church
We also got a "broken" HP desktop with a 10th gen i3. We were told it only displayed black and white, so we tossed a GTX 1050ti into it. That didn't solve the problem. What did solve it was turning off the color filter the user had (seemingly mistakenly) set. Now that little display of user error is our best rig we've put together in that computer lab We also had 2 8GB sticks of ddr4 (no clue where they were from, they were just kinda there, all of the other PCs were ddr2 or ddr3) so we were able to upgrade the 4GB in the desktop to a more usable 16
Its essentially a Mac Pro 4,1\5,1. It will support 256GB of RAM. A Mac Pro 5,1 with dual Xeon X5680s is my main system. I have 96GB of RAM (for triple channel) and I use Windows 11 on it for gaming. I have a Radeon RX590, and I also boot macOS Ventura (13.x). This Xserve will also run Ventura with OCLP. It'll also boot an EFI install of Windows 11, but also only with opencore.
I don't see a lot of devs opting to make Mac games or ports. The price of the Apple branding has been and more than likely will be a deterrent for gamers of all price ranges. Best I see is like back in the late 90s early 00s with Linux, where a few odd companies and mostly small communities try to port stuff for the small Mac gamer base.
As an IT manager, the Mac server was the only Apple product I liked. Supporting McIntosh and or Apple in a production environment is a freaking nightmare.
Westmere platforms, like that mac, typically need really specific 16gb ecc dimms. My living room pc, a dual x5680 setup, has 96gb of ram in it. The X8DTL-IF motherboard only had 2 16gb dimms on their QVL.
I have two drive bays you can have for this exact XServe. Also as a heads up, in a previous video you said they needed to be Apple HD's. This isn't the case though maybe for the primary slot one drive. I had the stock HD in slot one then upgraded bay 2 and 3 with 2TB HD's.
You can have any drive you want, as long as it's supported by the backplane (SATA or SAS). Source: I've tried. Some drive sleds may only support SATA, my system was SATA though it was delivered with SAS capable drive sleds.
The best computer I ever bought was a used 2009 mac pro. The drives are swapable with no cables involved, the pcie slots have multiple braces to prevent GPU sag, and I can pull the processors (there are 2) and ram out separately to work on them. (They are on their own daughterboard.) Until I get to the point of actually removing the heat sinks I don't even need tools. This is how computers should be built, not like this modern apple stuff where swapping even swapping an SSD is an issue. And for all you windows users, I bootcamped it and am running windows 10. I can even play modern games on it.
"How many people have a Mac gaming rig with 96 gigs of RAM" I do. Admittedly, it was retired in January in lieu of an M1 Max MBP, but my 2012 Cheesegrater was my daily driver for years with 96gb ram, dual x5690s, and an RX580. It's still a monster mixing machine, but it's just very hot and I don't use it enough to warrant the energy cost. Plus being able to undock my "workstation" and take it with me now is pretty slick.
One of the first hurdles for developers to port games to the Mac tends to be Apples requirement to use Apple HW when compiling games for Apple HW which is immediately offputting for a lot of us indie developers who have to weigh the risk of paying a lot upfront for reasonable HW vs what returns we may get. Unreal Engine for example can cook/compile for every modern console from within Windows if you have the appropriate plugins but need a developer console to launch/test where as Apple have traditionally required you to compile/Cook on a Mac before we can even test.
It's probably what you guys were looking for, but, rEFInd may help there. It's not a full BootCamp replacement because it doesn't do driver installation, but helped me a lot when I had a Macmini "ages" ago (multi-booting with Windows and Linux). And a very good tool for the flash drive is Ventoy.
I don't get it. Why would the new Mac not support GPUs? Lack of drivers? Lack of support from the OS? Why would they kill that feature? Isn't it the same as just having support for other types of PCI-E expansion cards that also have to get updated drivers to work with M2 Macs?
From some googling, it looks like MacOS still has driver support for some AMD gpus, but they dropped all support for Nvidia gpus starting with Monterey (released 2021). Back when they were still on Intel, they stopped using Nvidia GPUs in the Macbook Pro lineup in 2015. It seems to be down to bad blood between the management of both companies. Nvidia *could* write a macOS driver for its newer GPUs, but Apple controls whether macOS will allow the driver to run.
3:22 Uh technically it can be done assuming YT still allows custom link overlay sizes, so what you do is create a new video for one GPU and create the link overlay that links to that video and the other side is left empty mimicking a link where when one click on that side it keeps playing the video.
Author of the Definitive Upgrade Guide here: The 3,1s cannot boot with more than 64 GB due to the firmware, not sure about the Xserve but the 3,1 desktop have performance issues in macOS for 64 GB. Also, LTT needs to learn about OpenCore. People take 12 core 5,1s and drop in 192 GB, as well as 6900 XTs, USB3.x, multiple NVMes and even Thunderbolt . Pretty sure OpenCore can get the Xserve into modern boot camp, whereas you don’t need it with the desktop 3,1 if you’re willing to run in legacy Bios mode.
Restarting the video after the 1st 0.5second over and over and over again, to simulate a looping high pitched "I have" in the open words was a minute well enjoyed. now to actually watch the clip
My first gaming pc was a 4,1 Mac Pro with upgraded cpu (3.46ghz 4c/8t) and two HD7950s running in xfire on windows 7. Later ditched the 7950s for a R9-390x. The 4,1 had delidded cpus but the 5,1 didn’t.
19:00 I don't appreciate you supporting apple's narrative of it's up to the devs to make mac a gaming platform again. Apple is doing their bare minimum to facilitate that, to put it generously.
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Loved the poll to select the GPU, followed by just damaging the thing by accident.
Next video idea, choose your own adventure PC build. Chapter selection to see your preferred ending.
@@brandonb5395 damn, didn't know Markiplier already did it. My bad.
It reminded me of the days when RUclips had annotations and some people made whole "Choose Your Own Adventnure" style videos.
@@andrewnotmyrealname7827its not your bad for him already doing a choose your own adventure, pretty sure he didn't do it with a pc build so don't apologize
@@andrewnotmyrealname7827he did "choose your own adventure" style videos, but nothing to do with building a PC.
but also, it would take LTT a LONG time to put together a project like that, even longer than the "Ultimate PC Build Guide," which took pretty long, and they also most likely have no interest in doing it.
not to shit on your idea, i think it's a pretty cool idea, just challenging and time consuming to produce in the context of building like between tens and hundreds of different PCs to suit every different possible outcome.
Fun fact: Those Titan X cards are sort of collector's items because they're the very last card to have drivers for Windows XP all the way up to Windows 11. They're also the last cards that support the ability to natively drive analog displays. With the Pascal generation, all support for that was finally axed. In my opinion, the Titan X is pretty much the definitive Nvidia card outside of maybe the Quadro K6000.
Going from 1->16GB per slot is "over a 15 x upgrade." Brilliant. 10/10. Perfectly written.
😂😂😂
It is exactly a 15x increase of memory capacity.
@@SamuraiGuy It its 15GB more x slot, not 15x more, you don't have 1 GB of ram and change to 4 GB and say I have the triple of ram now.
@@Sparktan24 When you say you got "X times more", you end up with X+1 times as much as you started with.
1GB to 4GB would be 4 times as much, and 3 times more.
The same happens with percentages. 100% as much means no change, 100% more means a doubling.
Come on guys. 16 is always over 15. that's the funny point. Not counting "how many times" bla bla bla. You're missing the point ... XD
Fun fact, I had this exact config as a workstation for three years during university, although with a Dell R610 and a 3d printed mounting bracket to the side of the server for the gpu. After about a year you don't notice the jet engine below your desk anymore.
I've got an old IBM Pentium 4 server, and you'd swear there was a squadron of harriers taking off when you fire that useless thing up. It was a nice Minecraft server back in the day, but I doubt it would even run modern Minecraft.
4:48 the only thing the ghost of Tim Cook would scream is: "The f@ck you talking about, I'm still alive! I ain't no ghost!" 😂
I think he meant Jobs
Feels weird that de-lidding a CPU was Apple’s way of trying to curb upgradability back then.
Just buy an M2 ultra Mac Studio, way cheaper, way more stable, way better for the planet.
@@ncard00 thankyou for the wisdom
@@ncard00 bot
It probably wasn't, it was just Apple trying to make the stupidest possible cooling system because Think Different™. It was a server and had otherwise extremely upgradable internals sooooo
I wouldn't think they did it to keep you from upgrading, they just don't care how hard it is.
On a 5,1 tower you can run Westmere processors and Pascal generation cards. You can also run High Sierra, so you get past the Steam problem.
for now...but they are going to cut high sierra support next..i expect them to mantain mojave support for some years since catalina sucks at gaming.
get a topography map of the server and make sure to pin the game threads to the CPU that is connected to the GPU, otherwise you're gonna have a really bad time. seems like portal ran on the wrong CPU and Batman ran on the correct CPU, hence the massive difference in performance
it was going at 300 FPS, it wasn't a performance issue. It was an optimization issue. You could also see Arkham tearing like crazy, too.
Or remove one of the cpus
@@PistolShrimpPimp Portal 2 had a shit ton of input latency, which can be caused by the game running on CPU 1 but the GPU connected to CPU 0
@@genderender when vsync was enabled
Those registered DIMMs didn't help either.
on Intel X58 and X79, you have to populate the Memory Channels in order, aka Slot one of a channel first, otherwise no boot.
Something to keep in mind.
A long time ago, Apple really was a nice company for customizability
Too long ago to matter.
only for business but they gave up that market
@@electrikoptik ? are you ok buddy
@@MrGamelover23 Give an example. When, which companies and which models.
@@electrikoptikthat has literally nothing to do with anything Apple, and has nothing to do with anything on this channel.
please stop forcing your miserable "i only ever talk about politics and how the world is so bad" on us average people who are trying to be happy.
I'm surprised how close this is in specs to the second PC I ever built
Dual Xeon X5675s, 980Ti, 48GB ECC RAM
980Ti is still awesome 💪
@@Mechinsama lil bit better than 3050 level of performance, kind of a stinker nowadays honestly
the cpu falling off the the spacer that linus was holding is amazing
Linus Drop Tips strikes again!
thank god the man is rich
This sounds like an excellent candidate for using with OpenCore. Apple and Steam want the 3,1 server to die, so force it into the modern day with Big Sir or Ventura. Even looks like the scene for that on the forms is fairly active.
Linus, I know that you read some of your comments sometimes, and I just wanted to say how grateful I am for all that you've done for the PC and tech community! I wouldn't know what I do today about PC's and more without you! - Keep up the good work, Mr. Chief Vision Officer. -Parker A.
No they do not read comments at all. They have made it clear they only care about the people who go to float plane what ever the hell that is. Since I do not leave the site for any reason. I will never know what is over there. Not worth it at all to be forced to go else where to leave comments. There is even on youtuber who shut all comments off on videos and now forcing people to visit his forums. Which not everyone cares about. Plus on top of that he now is forcing people to watch videos on his site rather than post them to youtube. People are mad yet they can not express it because he locked it all down. he might as well delete his channel.
You know you really can game on the equivalent Mac Pro. The 4,1 can be flashed to a 5,1, upgraded with dual X5690 and 96GB of RAM. You can install PCIe cards so 10Gbe and NVMe drives work. You can even boot from NVMe if you upgrade to Mojave. I personally like running Ubuntu on these systems.
I’m an owner of a 5,1 with dual x5680 (not my main system anymore.) with an rx580 as the gpu surprisingly capable
Yeah that's basically my gaming setup during the lockdowns lol
@@Drw4878 even the rx550 are good enough if you dont do heavy gaming..the baffin ones of course, lexa is not compatible.
@@yesterdaysjam2405 using macos?
i use it for gaming too..i mean, on my hack
Look into installing Linux on this. I've had decent luck installing Linux on older intel Macs. Haven't done it on a server though. Could also look into forcing newer versions of MacOS to install
This!
I can't believe they didn't try this. Maybe we'll get an extra video with Emily?
Yep, I was also silently screaming this in my head
He stated that people have tried to emulate a uefi boot enviroment to no success. This means that linux won't work either, or any other OS than Mac OS for that matter.
@@stefannilsson2406 Linux doesn't necessarily use UEFI. It can be changed to boot in any way imaginable.
The only issue is someone would have to actually create the boot loader for it, which might be quite difficult.
@@stefannilsson2406you can run Linux on these without UEFI, just uses bios
0:25 have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth plageus the wise...?
My first ever “gaming” pc had a x5570 and I find it so funny that that’s the fastest cpu available in this machine
My first modern gaming capable system had a Xeon W3520 (i7-920) from the same generation. That was in a HP Z400 Workstation, in 2016 I upgraded the CPU to a X5670 6c/12t and a bit later built a system with a OC capable motherboard. In between I also had a W3550 (i7-950) but that was only for few months
I'm still using the X5670 @ 4.4GHz with 24GB RAM and GTX 1080
10:44 Linus' guttural reaction of joy when some piece of tech actually works here is so relatable ahahah
the ghost of tim cook?? he's alive?
Could it be that it was a joke?
He didnt stop and look at the camera afterwards so i’m guessing he just meant steve jobs
I missed the jank videos. GPU on it's back resting on a PSU. I love it
Fun fact! IBM System x3650 M1s (and likely other models) used a special PCIe connector for the dual 8x riser, which is considerably longer than a normal 16x slot
I have two of these machines still running! They are still surprisingly capable and very reliable!
I suspect the reason you couldn't get 96GB of RAM to work is your memory has more ranks than the memory controller can handle
yeah, server ram can be real fun that way, if those are the quad ranked Kingston sticks I think they are.
Funny to think you could have the same 64Gigs on a mITX board in 2021.
I know it's not ECC, just shows how hardware ages.
And most "gamers" don't care about memory amount and run on 32 or even 16 with high end Mainboards and GPUs :)
I dont know if this will ever be used in a video but i used to power car speakers/subwoofer with a computer powersupply jumping the pins similar to what you did in this video, except it was just a short wire i cut and bridged.
13:03 the funniest line ever, I’ve been laughing for 5 mins straight 😂
Would have loved to see the Linux gaming performance of this machine
Can you install Linux on this machine? Would it have the same BIOS issue as Windows?
Both the XServe and the Mac Pro of that generation are picky about where you put the RAM, in what pairs and what density. To reach the maximum RAM you have to find the magic combo of density, timing, and amount per stick. There is plenty of documentation related to the Mac Pro which applies almost 1 to 1 for the same XServe.
linus saying "I'm going to try something" normally results in at least $7,000 in damages, lost time and medical bills.
7:21 - you could get a preview into the problem with the screen flickering after Linus already removed the PCIE that may have broken ❤
I've been gaming Cyberpunk real good with 2010 cheesegrater and 6600xt. Actually runs surprisingly well(Windows setup naturally).
You can put any SATA or SAS drive in those sleds. I've done it, several times.
Pretty sure there is a microcode update hackery to install Westmere cpus. Those offer 6 cores, 32nm and a lot more performance. X5690s are a beast! Would love to see that…
i can put 2 of those in my z800 that has 2 x5570's but i still haven't seen a reason since it already does anything i need it to do
Westmere were "the thing" for enthusiast for some time. I mean unlocked FSB ?! Tri-channel ? OC to double its original speed ?! Too bad Intel threw all of this away in its next gen ... like "forget this has ever happened" kind of mumbo jumbo. And it all happened because of Apple's request ... like a weird marriage that ends and everyone looses with it. Oh well ...
I have 4 westmere cpus lying around ... one of those is a X5690 :)
LGA1366 Xeons are still pretty respectable performance on PC too, especially the 6-core models. I ran an X5660 overclocked to 4.6GHz with 24GB of trash can Mac Pro RAM in a Gigabyte board as my main gaming machine for a while. Upgraded to 3000-series Ryzen when they released - mostly because of the X58 chipset's I/O limitations like lack of USB3, SATA3, and NVMe.
Check on limitations. Had to buy pcie cards for usb3 and sata3. Never bothered to install NVMe but I know there are solutions as well. Ryzen 3000 series is a valid upgrade path. Unlike the 1000 series which were unable to beat X58 and this much older xeons XD
Mac memory specs are as tested at Apple. Often you can put in more than the spec on most intel Macs. eg: My CordDuo spec'd to 4 GB, but I installed 4+2 = 6 GB (would not support 8 GB).
Apple also would like to list something as "Max 4GB" because there was only 2 RAM slots and the largest DIMMs you could buy at launch were 2GB, so the maximum you could *configure* it for was 4, once 4GB DIMMs came out later, it was usually down to what the memory controller could address
The RAM problem could also be that it wont boot with that capacity of RAM at that speed. You'd have to get slower RAM to use that capacity.
Officially, those CPUs only support 1066 MT/s, and your 16GB DIMMs are probably at least 1333 MT/S.
Regarding the Ram issue , 1366 servers Tend to only allow Dual channel when using quad rank memory .
So you will need to leave a channel open per bank ... :) have the same issue .
Kudos for the knowledge !
So made some Hackintoshes back in the day with great success, pretty sure the last supported cards were the 780/Titan. The Titan Black - Maxwell was new architecture and not supported and most forums said do not try. No idea if someone modded drivers to work with newer cards or what you are using, but the stock Mac stuff would never run this. As for the prev gen Nvidia cards, they always worked great for me.
Great Video Linus.
You should have bench tested that machine using Cinebench then compared those specs against one of your favorite systems.
I do totally expect the M class systems to progressively start supporting gaming more. I hope the game devs lean into it... or maybe if Xcloud starts working on it. Until then, there's always Shadow :)
One thing that has recently become fleshed out that i would like to see an LTT video on is the open core legacy patcher
Where is Anthony? .... He's the one for this kinda video
Im really surprised Apple didnt just pay steam to make a proton version for MacOs. I feel like M2 with proton support would be pretty cool.
Nehalem... I rocked mine for 8 years but the games i liked to play were often limited to just 2 threads - so 50% cpu utilisation on my i5 yet still CPU limited.
SandyBridge was a big jump (like 30% faster) and would still be useable as even the i7 2600K is still used by people.
Nothing beats Westmere. Even newer gens didn't have what made Westmere great: 3 channel memory, unlocked FSB and tons of OC potential.
@@MrCroky123 "Nothing beats Westmere."
on the highend sure. But on Desktop it was a step back - only 2 cores instead of the previous 4 for the i5 lineup. thankfully for westmere there were many games that were still singlethreaded back them - so still very good for gaming.
@@ABaumstumpf , you're absolutely right about that. Desktop versions lack so much ...
It'd be pretty funny if Apple's reasoning to abandoning the server market was that they could not understand and grasp the aspect of consumers upgrading their hardware instead of buying an entirely new one at full price.... Come to think of it, it's not that far fetched.
Apple painted themselves into a corner with the Xserve. They made it great and mostly upgradable. But once the sale was over, there was little way to make more money from that same customer. No software licensing fees, fairly easy upgradability, and little reason for someone to replace the entire unit. Then there was the company's shift to iPhone and the Xserve just wasn't worth their time anymore.
You mean you don’t plan on doing a total server overhaul every 4 years? -Tim Cook, probably
Lots of business actually do replace their servers every 3-4 years to keep on top of the latest technology.
Yeah, this thread is really revealing who works in IT and who doesn’t. Most places never upgrade servers. They buy a server, use it for 3 - 10 years depending on workload, and then replace it with a newer server.
@@stillmoms Or they use it for 15 years with in place upgrades where applicable, which is the vast majority of cases.
I don't think even Google invests in servers every 5 years, the average enterprise server lives its life until it is not capable of meeting the required demands, where I work there is still an DL380 G6 in operation since 2011, that's almost 12 years of service and it still keeps up with what we're asking of it.
I had the Dell version of the Mac Pro 5.1(Westmere) I think you can flash the XServe to suppoort the same processors, but it might report as a Mac Pro 5.1 after, worth the risk to go from 45nm 4 cores, down to 32nm 6 cores, often at either much higher clocks, or lower TDP, the E5649 is the GOAT for lower power budget, high performance, i had a 1U C610 that was reasonably quiet with these, drop in the 60w L5640 and it was whisper quiet
The Mac Pro 5.1 and Dell Precision T7500 were great machine, 12 cores at 3.6Ghz all core boost split across 2 sockets
The Dell came with 72GB of RAM, but up to 96GB(technically up to 192 GB but this machine had a bug in the chipset that didnt allow for the use of the higher density RAM modules to run properly)
I threw in a GTX 1080 and basically gamed on this workstation until the 3950x came out, and was honestly disappointed in the difference in gaming performance, sure some games saw great improvements, but others saw a ~10% difference becuase this was around the time games started supporting more and more cores.
IIRC The Division 2 saw less than 5% perofrmance differnce in average and was only 15% faster in 1% lows, and i feel that might have been due to the NVMe being faster than the SATA SSD in the older dell
Linus is the ElectroBOOM of computer tech
Everything about my life is Janky
That Portal-mouse problem also fixes when you just go into the task-manager(or "Forcequit"), switch to another window and then switch back to portal or any other source based game (often half life based games) where the bug is represented.
An upgradeable Apple product feels weird
That's why it has no support 😭
apple the e-waste kings
The weirdest thing is that Apple wanted it and Intel made it so ...
Apple= disposable hardware kings.
3:17 I genuinely thought RUclips implemented this new feature and I trusted Linus with all my hear, too bad I got bamboozled
We all probably got
While I love the channel growth and all the fancy stuff, nothing beats good ole LTT jank lol.
I can already hear the ghost of Wendle's past saying "Have you tried Linux yet?"
For all that Linus complains about closed systems and right to repair, I find it annoying when he says that when Steams stops supporting that platform, you can't game anymore.
THERE ISN'T ONLY STEAM. Gog does a great job, DRM free, has mac games, and gives you the game files, launcher not needed, meaning even if it goes under, you can still get the games to load on you system if they were once compatible
delidded nehalem Xeons . So pretty . such heat, much melty. 96 GB i think is double what any consumer platform would support.
The "ram issue" is due to these computers (and mac pros) being extremely picky about what slots the RAM is in. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it, but you have to move them ram around at random, as long as it's still in the "optimal configuration" you'll still get full performance. It doesn't seem like it should work like that, but it does. Dell R710s are like that as well, in my experience. For what it's worth, using linux on mac hardware (while usually kinda difficult to install) is as good as it is on any other computer, and will extend the life of the hardware quite a lot. Dual booting macs is pretty common among the "weird people that use 10 year old pro-grade hardware" community.
Can macs cope with non-binary memory configs? Though this might be a mobo or chipset thing, only a term I came across recently.
5:55 Its nice to see Canadians having a picture of Washington DC's Tidal Basin cherry blossoms.
I have a HP workstation with 2 x5570 xeons from the same generation. Unlike that Mac server it's going to stay out of a landfill because it runs windows 10 and it will soon be running linux. :)
HP Z600 or Z800? My first modern gaming capable system was a HP Z400 in 2013
@@Pasi123 it's a Z600 :) I tried installing a couple more modern x5650's in it but they didn't work. Got it to boot once or twice, but it didn't like them. It would boot fine with just 1 of them installed though.
Found out that HP made 2 versions of the motherboard and I had the first and older version. The 32 nm cpu's were only supported on the second version.
Incredible hardware ! Regarding the x5650 ... man, I think you also had to be sure they were matched cpu's. Otherwise ...
@@MrCroky123 Yes, you need 2 of the same cpu. So you need 2 x5650 cpu's. But as long as they are both the same model, serial number or anything else shouldn't matter.
@@stefannilsson2406 , ... and stepping as well. Don't forget about that.
the framing in this video having tanner in the background bouncing linus ideas honestly made me think it was a scripted episode of a long running sitcom, i loved it XD
LTT videos on Apple are always interesting
May i introduce to you... Mac Adress?
@@CarrotFarmerL pfp
@@leoplays550yours is literally an L
I actually used to game on a mac pro 3,1 until 4 years ago, it had 8 GB of DDR3 ram, dual intel xeon processors, and a GTX 950, but every time there was a software update I'd have to reinsert the older radeon HD 6870 to update the nvidia drivers, I eventually switched to a windows pc because many games weren't supported on macOS, and the few that were often moved to only 10.12 sierra and later, as that was the first version to support metal
That Xserve configuration is about on par with my Mac Pro 3,1 from the Harpertown generation, Despite being the Nehalem gen.
For the 2008 Mac Pro there is a way to inject emulated SSE4.2 instructions to the Xeons so you can run metal supporting Radeon cards from Polaris, Vega, and others. Not sure on the latest Navi 3 cards. But 5700xt should probably work. I know the Radeon VII works.
Also you should be able to get at least Mojave running on that with some various patching tools and terminal commands.
3,1 owner here. Thanks, I have to check that!
@@snikeplassken it wasn’t exactly easy to do, but digging thru some forums, a little help from dosdude1 tools, and some time I got it done.
I did that back in 2019 maybe 2020. There are probably easier ways than what I did by now.
OCLP (OpenCore Legacy Patcher) allows these machines run newer versions of macOS.
We can always relay on LTT to bring us useful tips and tricks to improve our gaming experience.🤣
The irony is laughable, sure. But what is more important is the attitude towards testing old hardware and pushing it to its limits. SO F.... COOL !!! You can laugh at that but I can laugh at your own ignorance. 🤣
... and it's written rely, btw 🤣
@@MrCroky123 👍
My church actually got the last 5k 27” iMac which was the last Mac to have user upgradable RAM. We’re running at 96 GB too.
Linus: "I have an idea"
GPU: *falls over*
Linus: "That wasn't the idea"
I'm not sure if I believe you there, techy man :D
I don’t know why but it’s really cool to see him use that old Titan card that he used to use all the time :)
It's nuts that my 70 year old dad is currently using one of the last gen of intel mac minis with an AMD GPU for flight sim over firewire. To be honest, it works surprisingly well
I love how he said ghost of tim cook I wonder if he meant Steve Jobs @4:40
I’m really curious about the new macOS as to what extent devs will port games to it using the new tool… It could actually get people to move over to MacOS who wanted to but didn’t do so because of the limitations in gaming
I'm still running a 2009 Mac Pro as a server/storage. I've upgraded the Wi-Fi module, CPU, GPU, RAM. And I can fit at least 6 drives for storage, and whatever PCI slots are left for M.2 drives.
What a wonderful gaming experience
The apple gaming experience in a nutshell.
@@ToneyCrimson ,
"We chase misprinted lies
We face the path of time
And yet I fight, and yet I fight
This battle all alone
No one to cry to
No place to call home"
Nutshell AIC
Suits like a glove ...
the portal screen tearing issue is a fairly universal issue on non-windows pc platforms. i think its an issue with dxvk, but i believe that issue was at least improved on linux.
Very nice thumpnail once again
been doing a church summer camp the last few weeks. Me and another computer nerd have been tasked with salvaging parts of PCs to Frankenstein some old office desktops into semi competent gaming rigs. A couple weeks ago, we actually had an old Mac pro to disassemble. Think it had 8 4GB sticks of ddr3 on risers (might have been ddr2) and it had a full sized GTX 780, which was an amazing thing to randomly find in a PC randomly put upon us by a church
We also got a "broken" HP desktop with a 10th gen i3. We were told it only displayed black and white, so we tossed a GTX 1050ti into it. That didn't solve the problem. What did solve it was turning off the color filter the user had (seemingly mistakenly) set. Now that little display of user error is our best rig we've put together in that computer lab
We also had 2 8GB sticks of ddr4 (no clue where they were from, they were just kinda there, all of the other PCs were ddr2 or ddr3) so we were able to upgrade the 4GB in the desktop to a more usable 16
3:18 had me feeling like old youtube when people used closed captions to make interactive videos.
Upgrading from 1gb sticks to 16gb sticks is over 15x the capacity. Those are some class A math skills Linus :D
Its essentially a Mac Pro 4,1\5,1. It will support 256GB of RAM. A Mac Pro 5,1 with dual Xeon X5680s is my main system. I have 96GB of RAM (for triple channel) and I use Windows 11 on it for gaming. I have a Radeon RX590, and I also boot macOS Ventura (13.x).
This Xserve will also run Ventura with OCLP. It'll also boot an EFI install of Windows 11, but also only with opencore.
I don't see a lot of devs opting to make Mac games or ports. The price of the Apple branding has been and more than likely will be a deterrent for gamers of all price ranges. Best I see is like back in the late 90s early 00s with Linux, where a few odd companies and mostly small communities try to port stuff for the small Mac gamer base.
I like the new perspective with the camera and the change of the focus while their dialogue
As an IT manager, the Mac server was the only Apple product I liked. Supporting McIntosh and or Apple in a production environment is a freaking nightmare.
You might find better success with a Titan Black. I remember hearing that the Maxwell drivers for Mac were pretty half-baked.
Westmere platforms, like that mac, typically need really specific 16gb ecc dimms. My living room pc, a dual x5680 setup, has 96gb of ram in it. The X8DTL-IF motherboard only had 2 16gb dimms on their QVL.
I have two drive bays you can have for this exact XServe. Also as a heads up, in a previous video you said they needed to be Apple HD's. This isn't the case though maybe for the primary slot one drive. I had the stock HD in slot one then upgraded bay 2 and 3 with 2TB HD's.
You can have any drive you want, as long as it's supported by the backplane (SATA or SAS). Source: I've tried.
Some drive sleds may only support SATA, my system was SATA though it was delivered with SAS capable drive sleds.
Seeing that twisting of the extension cable shoved from the back make me audibly go “JESUS LINUS!!!” 😂😂😂
The best computer I ever bought was a used 2009 mac pro. The drives are swapable with no cables involved, the pcie slots have multiple braces
to prevent GPU sag, and I can pull the processors (there are 2) and ram out separately to work on them. (They are on their own daughterboard.)
Until I get to the point of actually removing the heat sinks I don't even need tools. This is how computers should be built, not like this modern apple stuff where swapping even swapping an SSD is an issue.
And for all you windows users, I bootcamped it and am running windows 10. I can even play modern games on it.
Linus is always such a joyful kid for this stuff and i love it
"How many people have a Mac gaming rig with 96 gigs of RAM"
I do. Admittedly, it was retired in January in lieu of an M1 Max MBP, but my 2012 Cheesegrater was my daily driver for years with 96gb ram, dual x5690s, and an RX580. It's still a monster mixing machine, but it's just very hot and I don't use it enough to warrant the energy cost. Plus being able to undock my "workstation" and take it with me now is pretty slick.
One of the first hurdles for developers to port games to the Mac tends to be Apples requirement to use Apple HW when compiling games for Apple HW which is immediately offputting for a lot of us indie developers who have to weigh the risk of paying a lot upfront for reasonable HW vs what returns we may get.
Unreal Engine for example can cook/compile for every modern console from within Windows if you have the appropriate plugins but need a developer console to launch/test where as Apple have traditionally required you to compile/Cook on a Mac before we can even test.
It's probably what you guys were looking for, but, rEFInd may help there. It's not a full BootCamp replacement because it doesn't do driver installation, but helped me a lot when I had a Macmini "ages" ago (multi-booting with Windows and Linux). And a very good tool for the flash drive is Ventoy.
I don't get it. Why would the new Mac not support GPUs? Lack of drivers? Lack of support from the OS? Why would they kill that feature? Isn't it the same as just having support for other types of PCI-E expansion cards that also have to get updated drivers to work with M2 Macs?
From some googling, it looks like MacOS still has driver support for some AMD gpus, but they dropped all support for Nvidia gpus starting with Monterey (released 2021).
Back when they were still on Intel, they stopped using Nvidia GPUs in the Macbook Pro lineup in 2015.
It seems to be down to bad blood between the management of both companies. Nvidia *could* write a macOS driver for its newer GPUs, but Apple controls whether macOS will allow the driver to run.
3:22 Uh technically it can be done assuming YT still allows custom link overlay sizes, so what you do is create a new video for one GPU and create the link overlay that links to that video and the other side is left empty mimicking a link where when one click on that side it keeps playing the video.
The focus pulling on this video was so good. 😮 Going between each person as they were speaking when they were both in frame. So sick.
Author of the Definitive Upgrade Guide here: The 3,1s cannot boot with more than 64 GB due to the firmware, not sure about the Xserve but the 3,1 desktop have performance issues in macOS for 64 GB.
Also, LTT needs to learn about OpenCore. People take 12 core 5,1s and drop in 192 GB, as well as 6900 XTs, USB3.x, multiple NVMes and even Thunderbolt . Pretty sure OpenCore can get the Xserve into modern boot camp, whereas you don’t need it with the desktop 3,1 if you’re willing to run in legacy Bios mode.
Restarting the video after the 1st 0.5second over and over and over again, to simulate a looping high pitched "I have" in the open words was a minute well enjoyed. now to actually watch the clip
i remember youtube did let u Select what clip would come next
and the creator would make two or three scenarios for the "interactive video"
You should upgrade a 2011 27" iMac's GPU next, they have regular old MXM cards.
My first gaming pc was a 4,1 Mac Pro with upgraded cpu (3.46ghz 4c/8t) and two HD7950s running in xfire on windows 7. Later ditched the 7950s for a R9-390x. The 4,1 had delidded cpus but the 5,1 didn’t.
19:00 I don't appreciate you supporting apple's narrative of it's up to the devs to make mac a gaming platform again. Apple is doing their bare minimum to facilitate that, to put it generously.
Apple already have done the bare minimum regarding open-source, helping them with the ultimate goal of enriching only themselves.
Love how a beefy Apple server can't play Portal 2, a game that a xbox360 and PS3 console could comfortably run
You should do a video on the custom Apple patcher that let's you install new MacOS on old systems
It hurts my soul everytime i see Linus handle any tech, he has to be the most violent person I've ever witnessed handling tech.
Linus using a riser cable instead of getting a dremel to make the GPU fit. Didn't expect that one tbh