let me clarify: I dont WANT this game to die. I dont WANT to tarnish the reputation of the devs. I want to be honest in my feelings, but most importantly: I want this game to be freaking good and I want to be a voice for my audience
i say lets force the game to die and make these guys either care about the game again or we just move on from this shell of a game that we used to love they dont deserve our support anyway lmao
I don't want to say this but maybe we a gotta let it go. Some games just die out. YES I do want Pixel gun 3D to be great again but majority of the time complaining does nothing. But I'll stay hopeful.
I decided to download Pixel Gun 3D again, and I was having so much fun until I got matched up with a level 65 3 cat spammer and I forgot to mention I was level 10
fr i came back to pg3d i had so much fun cuz prototype was still pretty good but when i played the CLASSIC POOL MAP i met people that there names were "im so rich" and basically 1 shots all of us like bro
I have a max lvl account with like lvl 9 mods on everything 500+ weapons which most of which are mythical. Also everything weapon in my loadout can one tap wooden clan armor, and i get put in the same lobby with lvl 10 people
I stop playing this game because literally the devs wants is your money. They’ll gaslight you or punish you for being a free to play player. It’s impossible. At this point PG3D is far from late having this game fixed.
@@toastyboi8737 “Pg3d community, we hear you! We fucking hate this game and know you do to. We see how large our monetary issue has become and are working on adding another battle pass.”
Here's problems with game: bad anticheat, bad management, bad balancing, bad matchmaking, destroyed economy, too many gun to the point its more than almost any rpg game, and way too p2w and finally, poor optimization. There's more but these are the big ones. I give this game 4 months (my vet badge will be 7 years) and if pg3d doesn't fix atleast 2 of these issues, I'm done.
@@Smileman1122 i can't believe i played this game back in the day like 2016, it is SO different nowadays, infact they started putting spheres and cylinders into their game; at that point it's no longer "pixel" gun
Less actually, we used to get 5 pass weapons per update and one of them is free to get but its no longer the case and seasonal update trader van sets but its been years since we last got one, and sometimes we even get 5 weapons lottery set. The amount of fan weapons they received in discord is alot and they could legit create a full set of traders van guns along with 5 lottery/ pass weapons.
They made a backrooms update, and backrooms is rich with ideas they could implement in the game. Its disappointing how they didn't make seasonal van guns and 5 whole lottery weapons and 5 pixel pass weapons. They kinda wasted the backrooms update, i was expecting them to take many ideas from backrooms since they went very creative and take many ideas when they made the SCP foundation update. Smh
Not only about the cost of the weapons but also they must try to upgrade the modules of each gun, and find good clans to get armor if he don't have armor already
Hey Mint, as a known Top clan leader i have to add these issues too. The clans 3.0 war system is a complete mess too. Tasks are bugged , the system doesn't requires skill , clans right know are abusing Alts for winning the wars and that's completely unfair for the clans are playing fairly. The clan community didn't wanted a Clan system change in 2.0 era we all just wanted new extra features not the entire system change but they did it. Even all the hate and asking to the devs to revert it they didn't... Top clans like Waterfall , Obey , TK Ottomans, Syndicate ( my clan) , Armada ect. We all begged to them to revert it. Thanks to this the clan 3.0 system killed Armada , most of the clans got more inactive because of the lazy system , alt abuse ruined many clans and the devs insisting on this system while everyone is begging to them to revert... Now as a player from 2014 i quit this game 11 months ago because of this i literally tried my best to make the devs seeing me, even Eckosoldier saw me but the devs insisted on ghosting us and not answering about it. Even in the latest podcast they did they didn't even mentioned clans. I felt so disrespected and disappointed about it. Right now they are talking about a possible clans 4.0 but it's too late now. Most of the top clans won't come back me either. If pg3d keeps doing like this the game is going to die soon.
aa syndicate lideri turk cikti vay be. ben de oyunu 1 yil kadar oldu birakali eski tryhardim. 7k zafer (cogu deathmatch, duels) 630+ silah moduller 7-9 seviye. eskiden syndicate uyesiydim. ottomans, syn, brave adventure gibi bir suru top clanda bulundum. lotteryde 14 super chestten ulti cikarmadigim icin oyunu sonsuza kadar biraktim, tum anahtarlari raidde tek basima kasmistim 0 para harcadim. tanismak guzel eski lider.
Totally agree with you, I've been in the same clan for 2 years since I started, the clan respected me, and my old leader has retired and made me the leader and then I retired as leader, even though it wasn't a top clan, in the old system I was able to obtain 40k valor, but the new system killed me, my clan and everyone else, it's not just top clans but other clans as well, new clan system doesn't 'have a challenge at all, and we are limited to such amount of reward now that f2p just doesn't exist in pixel gun anymore
As a top 50 grinder, ranked tournament is astonishingly FLAWED. Here's why: Matchmaking. For a "ranked" mode, you'd expect to be matched with other players in similar ranks for fair matches but NOPE. I'm in rank 9 with 8.5k trophies but consistently get matched up with people below 1k trophies. But that's not even the worst part yet, which is: IT PUTS YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ONGOING MATCH. Often I get put in a deathmatch with 2 OUT OF 4 MINUTES remaining, and I'm forced to try to overtake everyone to at least #3 with a gigantic disadvantage joining this late. The problem is even worse in team gamemodes where winning also depends on your teammates. The worst case scenario I've had so far is: I joined a flag capture game with half the time remaining and we're losing 0-5. My two teammates are unranked and rank 1. While the FOUR enemies are rank 5 and above. Needless to say there's no chance to win and I lost 45 trophies, and I couldn't leave the match right then and there either because I'll ALSO lose 45 trophies.
I gave this game a chance when it was ported to Steam. I’ve even honestly gone on record to defend some of their actions because I’m someone who looks at decisions from both angles A month ago I uninstalled the game from my PC and have no desire to come back to this stress fest. I will not support a game that doesn’t respect my time as a person who grew up with this game since childhood. Whoever manages this game aren’t developers. They’re businessmen first and foremost
Side note that I’d also like to add is that their Discord server is just an echo chamber. (Not THE Ecko chamber, unfortunately.) Which is why I recommend that nobody gives their honest take in that server, you’re just gonna get ridiculed by the mod team and by kids who don’t know any better. It isn’t worth it LMAO
Same as you, Returned to the game after an 8 month break (the longest break I took, or 2nd longest) It was nice at first, game ran very well and was good to experience on PC. Over the next few weeks, I only got more and more annoyed. Less progression, hackers, (also I don't like clans 3.0) I wasn't even playing the game for fun at that point, it just felt like a mini job. And I like to play games for fun, this game wasn't it anymore and I quit after a month. I really tried to enjoy it but I just can't. I almost want my account to get banned, just so I wouldn't have a reason to return. I've spent 100-200$ since I started in 2017, wouldn't care still. I do want the game to improve, but even if it did Idk if I would return. Maybe.... maybe if 2.0 comes back, that was the main reason for me playing the game.
•One thing I really want but may never be added: Better mobile optimization and performance options, something like: > "Low graphics/textures" > "Shadows On/Off" > "Particles On/Off/Client" > Etc and etc Those who suffer most from this are mobile phones, I'm tired of seeing my friends with their games crashing, closing, freezing, slowdowns, I myself had to stop playing because I CANNOT even walk through a game,because it was lagging/bad performance too much, I play on a Galaxy j6 - But it will never be thought of/added because they are not "highly requested" - Some of the players who leave the community due to these problems probably didn't spend months afterwards begging developers to add minimally necessary things to a GAME PRESENT ON MOBILE. Thanks for reading, who else experiences this performance issue?
Even my friend who plays on a Motorola g23 wanted to quit the game With each update the game gets heavier, a small mobile part of the community slowly and silently dies...
I say this because in Brazil purchasing power is low, and only in my small clan, about 5/11 people complain about performance problems on their mobile phones, About 3 (including me) are already thinking about abandoning the game due to this lack of care
I can agree with these i play on a google pixel 3 and never experienced bad performance such as freezing and slowing down till recently and now it happens tons even if i do something as simple as go into the armory. Was thinking of transfering my account to pc but honestly this game just isnt worth it anymore
@@atakodaz Ever since I played with my Galaxy J6 I experienced performance problems, but they were mild and I was able to have fun with my friends, but after recent updates, I can't join any public match without freezing for 30 seconds and running into walls.
I remember back when they added the whole crafting thing, worst addition. When you got something from a chest- you got it, you didn't have to get it 10 times.
The match making is so bad when I try to play a game it's always low level players that don't know what they are doing and I'm level 65 with op weapons which is really unfair for the low level players
first it was ecko and now your following his path. Seems like the devs should really listen to the community and the creators at this point. Im glad more people are starting to make videos like this one and speak out honestly about the game.
Its not true that there isnt any anti cheat, they just only target players who hack currency. Ive spend about 300 euros on pixel gun and I still couldnt compete because of modules, insanely low chances of getting a good item in chests, pay to win weapons etc. So when pc released i decided to mod my account since i kept getting destroyed by players with more money or other hackers. I have never used aimbot or any cheats in a game because i do not want to ruin the experience for others, so nobody has ever reported me. That means the anti cheat only bans players who have too much currency and not aimbotters. I think that shows the developers only care about money and they dont care what actually happens in the game. Both my accounts got banned and I accept the consequences of cheating, but I think it is partly pixel guns fault for forcing players to cheat if they want to compete in this sh*tty economy they have created. There is no other way to get the best loadouts without spending an insane amount of money.
@@aliertugu8475 Keep going like that and you will probably not get banned. 👍 Also it is kinda funny how there is just no shame in cheating on pixel gun between players because the economy has been bad for so long. (not talking abt aimbot, wallhacks etc)
Hey! Good video and also some more information about the clan system issue... I'm a member of one of the (not anymore) top clans, Kazanryu, and our community is very relaxed and we used to grind a good amount. We have no hackers and no botters and are genuine players. Unfortunately most of us have now been forced to retire the clan and the game, because no matter what we tried, theres nothing we could do. The majority of top high end clans are botters or even hackers, or just abuse bot lobbies, as I have experienced myself by accidentally joining one once, and it just leads to a really unfun environment. Game definetly needs a reworking
Pixelgun: we have heard your complaints so we have decided to add a new huge area damage heavy that does specifically 195 damage and add 1 more barrier melee.
Hey Mint, by the way there's another issue involving clans and yeah, you may ask "Who cares about clans?" well, me. Have you wondered why it's always the same clans that stay in top 10? Because if they see another new clan reaching the top, they spam report until it gets banned. This happened to my clan 3 times. It's so frustrating when you try to build a very strong clan with active grinders just by suddenly getting deleted because other clans reported you.
@@rRafZZZ Something similar happened here, my clan was hacked and had the Fort locked, I remember that this was done by an officer from a giant clan, the owner wanted my clan to merge with his,But as I refused, I only saw his officer going to my clan, in the next moment, fort totally bugged, blck market too
back when i was about 14 i had my level 40 account banned for no reason like i spent maybe $150 on the game which for a 14 year old is a lot of money now when i contacted them asking to unsuspend my account i got the typical auto response bot saying they'll email me the next day but i never got a response from them so when i tried making a new account i got up to level 20 before they banned me again
I'm so glad you joined Ecko on talking about the issues this game has, and even tho you've both and quite possibly more content creators have given feedback or suggestions they still do nothing about some of those problems. it's time these things come to light, it's time the game improves.
I remember this game, I quit mostly because everything just pissed me off. Mostly the overpowered opponents I faced, not to mention like you said. Leveling up makes your weapons horrible, smh.
I wish people would stop letting the FOMO/Sunk cost fallacy keep them locked into playing pixel gun, it’s just a waste of time and money now. I don’t get how anyone could find it genuinely fun anymore.
Im glad to hear you talking about this Granted i dont watch your youtube channel at all, but ive played this game for 8 years and ive had many of the same gripes as you What sent me over the edge was the intergalatic treasurer event (when the weapon wasnt balanced) Extremely grind heavy for higher level players and super easy for lower level players (due to the fact bot lobbies are littered throughout for low levels) Because of this for the first time in awhile i experienced heavy burnout with the game, which i dont have often Im glad you still talked about this bro, keep up the good work and i hope your channel continues to grow✊ Edit: im soooo glad you talked about mods. When mods first came out the best level i got them to was level 5-7 give or take for the elements and the sub “elements”. Mods are overpowed and dominate between simply having a mythic versus having a mythic or even epic weapon with level 10 mods on it. The mods themselves now are so hard to get, silver is expensive if your not in a active clan (thats even if your clan has black market) and theres no other way to earn silver besides clan wars making them a trump card to both new and veteran players alike Also i didnt know the skins give you buffs on steam. Honestly just pure p2w and cringe
The effects from the skins aren't just for battle royale btw, they do have them in any other game mode, for example, wave pulser's pretty much a oneshot regardless of module level if you take into account the skin's poison damage which is quite high, probably the highest in the game.
They might if the money starts going low thats why they made steam they should get better devs like even minecraft devs better cuz atleast some of them are passionate @Toaster6008 edit geometry dash has one dev who is robtop and he is very passionate about gd and is quite communicative with de community and he doesn't even need to update for money pretty sure he even is millionare
One thing that destroys players is the matchmaking in earlier levels you get matched with bots who are so easy to kill so once you enter level 50 you camt keep up with the max lvl one shot gun spammers and 5 cats the game doesnt prepare you for that at all
I was done when their ads took 1200 tickets when I didnt click accept and tried to click out of said ad then reported the problem then was told they never refund ever then write a review saying what they said was told to email support again and got the run around twice. The game is awful and my statement stands
I remember when in 2014-2016 weapons had star ratings (up to 3 stars per per weapon ) some had one and some two. Upgrading your star rating on a gun made it better and sometimes changed the appearance of the gun . Soon after the efficiency rating was added where you had to upgrade your weapon every time you leveled up, that’s where it all went downhill…
Finnaly. This game is so dead honestly, we talking to walls. I will take a loooooooong break. The Worst is the fact that I don't talk about P2w when I'm an F2P player The devs are really too greedy. Edit :Just in case, there's no hate in my comment. Thanks you Mint. You will remain my favorite content creator
im a veteran whos played the game since 2014, and watching the developers kill the game i grew up with for years really saddens me. this game is really unfriendly to beginners, the matchmaking is insanely inconsistent, the prices of a lot of weapons, gadges and shop offers are way too high, and once you actually DO max out and reach lvl 65, there just isnt much to do. i still have the game installed so i can occasionally reminisce when i feel like it, but as the game is now? i can safely say i am retired and do not want to play this game in the current state its in.
I just wish weapon efficiency did not exist. That thing stresses the fuck out of me every time I level up. F2P players have it really unfair especially when you have to part with a gun you liked because its efficiency fell back too much. Also 65 levels take way too long to get.
So, Android (for me at least) has a bug where you ain't buying anything in the shop. It just says "login to google play" or smth on my & my mom's phone for 2 YEARS. I could've easily get guns there if that bug didn't exist. Also, anyone agree wit me that the price of getting & upgrading modules are shit?
as someone who was part of the old toxic "pro community" from 2017, it's been this way for a long time. Ever since update 8.0.0, which added armor, people starting making p2w claims. It felt like every other update after 10.0.0 was introducing a super op weapon. First the fire orb, then the ghost lantern, then the frost beam spell glitch, etc. and the introduction of gems, along with the terrible lag that wasn't fixed for I want to say almost a year is what caused a lot of the old players to leave the game, and it's actually why iOS planet took an extended break from the game, one of the most popular pg3d youtubers at the time. dude u say nothing has changed but we literally had free swipe spamming for years and the developers didn't do anything until it became to big of a problem to ignore. loved the video man.
my unconditional and scrumdiddyumptious love for this video is completely endless. on a serious note, if the game falls, pretty much every single youtuber who makes content about this game (with the exception of some) is going to lose like 95% of their audience as soon as they try to quit making pg3d content and move on to something else. pg3d youtubers are trapped and it sucks for everyone
It is p2w on Android too, because the amount of grind (ads/tasks/challenges/play) you need to do to afford stuff is INSANE. Many hours a day. Also, stuff like the Spicy Crab Roll is literally impossible to get f2p even if you DO have 11.000 gems, because the total cost of all guns in van is less than that. Set event, armoury buys and so on do not count. THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR PROFIT MODEL: The new owners insist on trying to profit from making it impossible to compete unless you get the newest stuff. It should be possible to compete right away! I grinded so hard just to get the stuff I needed to compete. And then they added PC, so I can't compete anyway.
Also, I think the reason they didn't test Steam is the new owners are over working the programmers they have left. The new owners wanted that steam $$$ ASAP.
This game was such a big part of my childhood. It really sucked watching it slowly fall apart through the years. Now it's just a bitter memory I wish to forget.
Duels are also like this with matchmaking; level 25 i think, and i was matched with a level 68 or something guy with maxed weapons by the looks of it... and i know they're also just playing the game, but damn they need to fix this
The game started to rot already at the moment when spam appeared, and became the one and only effective tactic. And then players were ready to swallow anything, if only the new free gun did not have animation. It was at this point that the game began to lose popularity and the quality of the game content went down. I have nothing more to say.
The cat spammers are a huge turn off. I used to play back when the gold minigun was a high tier gun. I get so so tired of cat spamming broken guns and killing the fun.
Pixel gun isnt "technically" pay to win , it is. Even before pc release. By spending money , you get an advantage. Its that simple. Its always ben this way in games where you upgrade equipment. You spend money for better stuff but face the same people. Its literally pay to win.
Wtf happened to this game ever since i left it? Back then leveling up was bliss! because not only of the new weapons you would unlock but each time you would also face a new league of players which would allow you to not only level up your level and weapons, but also your skill. Now its just dogshit.
I played back in 2013 when the game came out, but I quit after a few years because the friends I used to play with moved schools, so I had no one to play with. I came back in 2023 to a few of my weapons missing and a very different game. I hate the new leveling system for weapons, I think that should've never been added. I don't appreciate that they made most, if not all, of my weapons useless through the addition of the mythical rarity. I heard about a pc release coming, so I decided to put the game down and wait. Once it released on pc, I played for a day or two and dropped it again because it wasn't any better than the mobile version. The game seems more like a cash-grab than the game it used to be, and I'm severely disappointed.
2:39 is exactly why i would just close the game on mobile every time I finished a match and my character wouldn’t collect XP. It also made trader vans back then way cheaper when you could spend coins in them (as for gems idk if they were cheaper or not)
I remember when i first purcahsed the game I prebought a gun and its efficiency automatically went down, and I leveled up and the gun itself was un usable.
I only see lvl 65's on "ranked" games. But i still think the game always gives one overlevelled player per lobby to cause people to get mad and buy better guns
Old player that quit 3 years ago there was so many things i didnt like when i was done with this game like when they made clans 3.0 because that stopped all the fun’s hard stuff about the game and the amount of glitches this game had was the end of it for me.
I need to mention that there's a lot of restrictions in loot box games in many countries due to gambling laws and you cannot have anything depending the mount someone mentioned that on the pixel gun subreddit
I’ve been playing this game since it released. I’ve had my most recent account for 7 years or so and it’s crazy how all that work becomes pointless (even as a lvl 65) to someone with max lvl modules. Modules are where it all went wrong fr. Even as a max level, my weapons are becoming weaker because they pay for lvl 10 modules. It’s a brutal meta where even if you’re a veteran, you’ll be outclassed on every level because you don’t pay constant money to stay ahead of the curve. I used to love this game. I used to watch pixel gun 3D RUclipsrs. I stopped because I thought everyone was ignoring these glaring issues. I grew up with this game. I’m starting to hate it which is really unfortunate. Thanks for making the video man. I found it to be a breath of fresh air because at least someone cares ya know.
I love playing Pixel Gun with my friend who has been playing himself for 4 years and I get matched with level 60s as a level 15 because I joined his squad
This game in this current state makes Call of duty: Warzone Mobile look like a good game(at least on android) which is absolutely insane. All the stuff you said wasn't opinions, they were facts.
Agreed, imagine they just terminate all the new guns, while guns like prototype will stay, the graphics will turn back to the og graphics, dam that actually would be so fricking good on their part Too bad they are greedy
Ik the game was going to died but I miss playing it after my main account was goan so irdk now the dev care for money more then anyone want to make the game better 😕
One thing to always remember about games such as this, games such as War Robots, games that fit the criteria of being unbalanced pay to win and full of cheaters, is that if developers haven't made a stride towards solving a problem by now, they never will. I quit this game in 2019 originally, but came back when it arrived on steam for the nostalgia. Oh boy is it fun... without cheaters, matchmaking problems, and- ironically on OUR part- players with bad promotional propaganda on their custom items. The devs aren't stopping what they're doing because they KNOW what they're doing, and they won't listen to us because even if we quit there'll be hundreds or even thousands of players still force feeding them the money they need to have good guns. What are we to them if they've got those players?
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let me clarify: I dont WANT this game to die. I dont WANT to tarnish the reputation of the devs. I want to be honest in my feelings, but most importantly:
I want this game to be freaking good and I want to be a voice for my audience
Goodluck mint 🫡
i say lets force the game to die and make these guys either care about the game again or we just move on from this shell of a game that we used to love they dont deserve our support anyway lmao
Fu!? >:(
I don't want to say this but maybe we a gotta let it go. Some games just die out. YES I do want Pixel gun 3D to be great again but majority of the time complaining does nothing. But I'll stay hopeful.
@@Arknjoyer mobile
This game should have died a long time ago to remain a beautiful memory instead of a bitter memory...
Well i font think so in the competetive way its still up grow
@@Stylercom113???
@@Stylercom113What?
@@omegathe1st501 i will neos ass you to the neo room
@@Stylercom113what a beautiful statement that definitely made sense
I decided to download Pixel Gun 3D again, and I was having so much fun until I got matched up with a level 65 3 cat spammer and I forgot to mention I was level 10
I was going to say it wouldn't matter if your weapons and armor were up to date with your level but it's level 10.... how tf do you defend yourself
legit same thing happened to me bruh-
fr i came back to pg3d i had so much fun cuz prototype was still pretty good but when i played the CLASSIC POOL MAP i met people that there names were "im so rich" and basically 1 shots all of us like bro
I have a max lvl account with like lvl 9 mods on everything 500+ weapons which most of which are mythical. Also everything weapon in my loadout can one tap wooden clan armor, and i get put in the same lobby with lvl 10 people
Clan alter most likely
we all feel you man, at some point i just want the game to fully die out so the devs get their karma.
No
Hmmmmmmm it seems that you're acting like a Karen and I will not excuse that
he has a point unfortunately, and we just have to accept and respect that.
same
@@RioniXIV well at least I don't live in a shoe box
I stop playing this game because literally the devs wants is your money. They’ll gaslight you or punish you for being a free to play player. It’s impossible. At this point PG3D is far from late having this game fixed.
12:40 yk you can sue them just like Fortnite. Not saying you should but that’ll be a smack of a wake up call imo
idk im playing free pretty well
Pg3d team 2 days later: We hear your worries guys! (Proceeds to do nothing about the problems
PG3D devs in a nutshell:
Man, they be really pulling a Valve "tf2 community, we hear you" on you guys
@@toastyboi8737 Fr that what I was gonna say, cubic games worse then valve :/
Real
i hope block city wars doesn't get ruined
@@toastyboi8737 “Pg3d community, we hear you! We fucking hate this game and know you do to. We see how large our monetary issue has become and are working on adding another battle pass.”
The issues i see
Numbero 1:
-Too much focus on new guns
:insert outro:
been saying this for a while as well
Here's problems with game: bad anticheat, bad management, bad balancing, bad matchmaking, destroyed economy, too many gun to the point its more than almost any rpg game, and way too p2w and finally, poor optimization. There's more but these are the big ones. I give this game 4 months (my vet badge will be 7 years) and if pg3d doesn't fix atleast 2 of these issues, I'm done.
@@Smileman1122 i can't believe i played this game back in the day like 2016, it is SO different nowadays, infact they started putting spheres and cylinders into their game; at that point it's no longer "pixel" gun
Less actually, we used to get 5 pass weapons per update and one of them is free to get but its no longer the case and seasonal update trader van sets but its been years since we last got one, and sometimes we even get 5 weapons lottery set. The amount of fan weapons they received in discord is alot and they could legit create a full set of traders van guns along with 5 lottery/ pass weapons.
They made a backrooms update, and backrooms is rich with ideas they could implement in the game. Its disappointing how they didn't make seasonal van guns and 5 whole lottery weapons and 5 pixel pass weapons. They kinda wasted the backrooms update, i was expecting them to take many ideas from backrooms since they went very creative and take many ideas when they made the SCP foundation update. Smh
As a unity developer i can confirm that adding keybinds with unity is braindead easy regardless which input system you use.
it took em like a month to add😭
So pg is in Unity? Man, imagine if all of the lag on mobile is caused by an outdated .net runtime version.
For new players, the when you get higher levels the guns get to expensive.
Not only about the cost of the weapons but also they must try to upgrade the modules of each gun, and find good clans to get armor if he don't have armor already
Hey Mint, as a known Top clan leader i have to add these issues too.
The clans 3.0 war system is a complete mess too.
Tasks are bugged , the system doesn't requires skill , clans right know are abusing Alts for winning the wars and that's completely unfair for the clans are playing fairly.
The clan community didn't wanted a Clan system change in 2.0 era we all just wanted new extra features not the entire system change but they did it.
Even all the hate and asking to the devs to revert it they didn't...
Top clans like Waterfall , Obey , TK Ottomans, Syndicate ( my clan) , Armada ect. We all begged to them to revert it.
Thanks to this the clan 3.0 system killed Armada , most of the clans got more inactive because of the lazy system , alt abuse ruined many clans and the devs insisting on this system while everyone is begging to them to revert...
Now as a player from 2014 i quit this game 11 months ago because of this i literally tried my best to make the devs seeing me, even Eckosoldier saw me but the devs insisted on ghosting us and not answering about it.
Even in the latest podcast they did they didn't even mentioned clans.
I felt so disrespected and disappointed about it.
Right now they are talking about a possible clans 4.0 but it's too late now.
Most of the top clans won't come back me either.
If pg3d keeps doing like this the game is going to die soon.
aa syndicate lideri turk cikti vay be.
ben de oyunu 1 yil kadar oldu birakali eski tryhardim. 7k zafer (cogu deathmatch, duels) 630+ silah moduller 7-9 seviye. eskiden syndicate uyesiydim. ottomans, syn, brave adventure gibi bir suru top clanda bulundum. lotteryde 14 super chestten ulti cikarmadigim icin oyunu sonsuza kadar biraktim, tum anahtarlari raidde tek basima kasmistim 0 para harcadim. tanismak guzel eski lider.
Totally agree with you, I've been in the same clan for 2 years since I started, the clan respected me, and my old leader has retired and made me the leader and then I retired as leader, even though it wasn't a top clan, in the old system I was able to obtain 40k valor, but the new system killed me, my clan and everyone else, it's not just top clans but other clans as well, new clan system doesn't 'have a challenge at all, and we are limited to such amount of reward now that f2p just doesn't exist in pixel gun anymore
As a top 50 grinder, ranked tournament is astonishingly FLAWED. Here's why: Matchmaking. For a "ranked" mode, you'd expect to be matched with other players in similar ranks for fair matches but NOPE. I'm in rank 9 with 8.5k trophies but consistently get matched up with people below 1k trophies. But that's not even the worst part yet, which is: IT PUTS YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ONGOING MATCH. Often I get put in a deathmatch with 2 OUT OF 4 MINUTES remaining, and I'm forced to try to overtake everyone to at least #3 with a gigantic disadvantage joining this late. The problem is even worse in team gamemodes where winning also depends on your teammates. The worst case scenario I've had so far is: I joined a flag capture game with half the time remaining and we're losing 0-5. My two teammates are unranked and rank 1. While the FOUR enemies are rank 5 and above. Needless to say there's no chance to win and I lost 45 trophies, and I couldn't leave the match right then and there either because I'll ALSO lose 45 trophies.
You aint no top player if you play a lot ranked doesn't mean nothing ill destroy you 😂
Dang..
@@crypix you not a pro
@@KingShark7171 Never said I was. Just a top grinder.
Pixel gun 3d is the only game to where I don't want to level up in.
FR the fact that the game punishes you for leveling up is annoying as hell
True
It’s going to become roblox, where the players don’t even know why they still play it
Yep
Me chillin levelim up and max level
I gave this game a chance when it was ported to Steam. I’ve even honestly gone on record to defend some of their actions because I’m someone who looks at decisions from both angles
A month ago I uninstalled the game from my PC and have no desire to come back to this stress fest. I will not support a game that doesn’t respect my time as a person who grew up with this game since childhood. Whoever manages this game aren’t developers. They’re businessmen first and foremost
Side note that I’d also like to add is that their Discord server is just an echo chamber. (Not THE Ecko chamber, unfortunately.) Which is why I recommend that nobody gives their honest take in that server, you’re just gonna get ridiculed by the mod team and by kids who don’t know any better. It isn’t worth it LMAO
Same as you, Returned to the game after an 8 month break (the longest break I took, or 2nd longest)
It was nice at first, game ran very well and was good to experience on PC. Over the next few weeks, I only got more and more annoyed.
Less progression, hackers, (also I don't like clans 3.0) I wasn't even playing the game for fun at that point, it just felt like a mini job. And I like to play games for fun, this game wasn't it anymore and I quit after a month. I really tried to enjoy it but I just can't.
I almost want my account to get banned, just so I wouldn't have a reason to return. I've spent 100-200$ since I started in 2017, wouldn't care still. I do want the game to improve, but even if it did Idk if I would return.
Maybe.... maybe if 2.0 comes back, that was the main reason for me playing the game.
Never ever defend anti-consumer decisions, looking at them from their point of view is exactly what they want
L devs
agree bro
•One thing I really want but may never be added: Better mobile optimization and performance options, something like:
> "Low graphics/textures"
> "Shadows On/Off"
> "Particles On/Off/Client"
> Etc and etc
Those who suffer most from this are mobile phones, I'm tired of seeing my friends with their games crashing, closing, freezing, slowdowns, I myself had to stop playing because I CANNOT even walk through a game,because it was lagging/bad performance too much, I play on a Galaxy j6
- But it will never be thought of/added because they are not "highly requested"
- Some of the players who leave the community due to these problems probably didn't spend months afterwards begging developers to add minimally necessary things to a GAME PRESENT ON MOBILE.
Thanks for reading, who else experiences this performance issue?
Even my friend who plays on a Motorola g23 wanted to quit the game With each update the game gets heavier, a small mobile part of the community slowly and silently dies...
I say this because in Brazil purchasing power is low, and only in my small clan, about 5/11 people complain about performance problems on their mobile phones, About 3 (including me) are already thinking about abandoning the game due to this lack of care
I can agree with these i play on a google pixel 3 and never experienced bad performance such as freezing and slowing down till recently and now it happens tons even if i do something as simple as go into the armory. Was thinking of transfering my account to pc but honestly this game just isnt worth it anymore
@@atakodaz Ever since I played with my Galaxy J6 I experienced performance problems, but they were mild and I was able to have fun with my friends, but after recent updates, I can't join any public match without freezing for 30 seconds and running into walls.
@@atakodaz It really is becoming painful and laborious to play
0:27 The Chain has begun. When the face of a game addresses big problems, others follow.
There is a game on Roblox which copies old pixel gun and it’s hype
holy crap thanks for enlightening me, I just had tons of fun playing it 🙏🙏
I remember back when they added the whole crafting thing, worst addition. When you got something from a chest- you got it, you didn't have to get it 10 times.
Woah I didnt expect to see a fully dedicated pixel gun 3d channel in 2024
The match making is so bad when I try to play a game it's always low level players that don't know what they are doing and I'm level 65 with op weapons which is really unfair for the low level players
dear pixel gun devs
thanks for nothing
and thanks for a boring game
the game used to be fun back then thats all i can say
@@reeseindac4626game should’ve just stayed as a childhood memory
The game is still fun. Arguably more than ever. and free to play get epic guns too
The burning sniper rifle skin made me lose a match because the the burning finished me. With the burning it always one shots in the head
first it was ecko and now your following his path. Seems like the devs should really listen to the community and the creators at this point. Im glad more people are starting to make videos like this one and speak out honestly about the game.
I feel u cause I’m so tired getting one shotted by the same weapons people use and I’m grinding for the elite tier weapon cause…I just want some soap
The soap is the secret recipe for greatness, just don't drop it
Weapons were the least of my issues Ngl. But from a new/mid players perspective, i definitely have to agree with you here.
yeah 1 shots shouldn't be so popular
Its not true that there isnt any anti cheat, they just only target players who hack currency. Ive spend about 300 euros on pixel gun and I still couldnt compete because of modules, insanely low chances of getting a good item in chests, pay to win weapons etc. So when pc released i decided to mod my account since i kept getting destroyed by players with more money or other hackers. I have never used aimbot or any cheats in a game because i do not want to ruin the experience for others, so nobody has ever reported me. That means the anti cheat only bans players who have too much currency and not aimbotters. I think that shows the developers only care about money and they dont care what actually happens in the game.
Both my accounts got banned and I accept the consequences of cheating, but I think it is partly pixel guns fault for forcing players to cheat if they want to compete in this sh*tty economy they have created. There is no other way to get the best loadouts without spending an insane amount of money.
I agree. I am using cheats as well. I add daily 5k gem, coins, clansilver, op weapons and etc. No ban so far. (Been using it 1 month).
@@aliertugu8475 Keep going like that and you will probably not get banned. 👍
Also it is kinda funny how there is just no shame in cheating on pixel gun between players because the economy has been bad for so long. (not talking abt aimbot, wallhacks etc)
@@aliertugu8475what do you use to cheat?
@@DevoPG3D I think using aimbot isn't fun at all. I am using cheats because it's pay to win game. I HAVE TO...
@@aliertugu8475 yes exactly!!
Hey! Good video and also some more information about the clan system issue... I'm a member of one of the (not anymore) top clans, Kazanryu, and our community is very relaxed and we used to grind a good amount. We have no hackers and no botters and are genuine players. Unfortunately most of us have now been forced to retire the clan and the game, because no matter what we tried, theres nothing we could do. The majority of top high end clans are botters or even hackers, or just abuse bot lobbies, as I have experienced myself by accidentally joining one once, and it just leads to a really unfun environment. Game definetly needs a reworking
Pixelgun: we have heard your complaints so we have decided to add a new huge area damage heavy that does specifically 195 damage and add 1 more barrier melee.
yeah, once the nostalgia wore off I stopped playing after not having enough coins to keep my weapons useable.
We are having even more issues with hackers, entire clans are being falsely banned now. My account was banned for no reason this morning.
Hey Mint, by the way there's another issue involving clans and yeah, you may ask "Who cares about clans?" well, me. Have you wondered why it's always the same clans that stay in top 10? Because if they see another new clan reaching the top, they spam report until it gets banned. This happened to my clan 3 times. It's so frustrating when you try to build a very strong clan with active grinders just by suddenly getting deleted because other clans reported you.
@@rRafZZZ Something similar happened here, my clan was hacked and had the Fort locked, I remember that this was done by an officer from a giant clan, the owner wanted my clan to merge with his,But as I refused, I only saw his officer going to my clan, in the next moment, fort totally bugged, blck market too
@@rRafZZZ ow tu e brasileiro mn? Peguei pelas referências
wait that happened?! how come i never heard of this?! i didn't know you can actually report clans and delete it for that!!
@@Just_SmallWolf I think something similar happened in the MasterFoxes clan, the clan leader was even telling me what happened on discord
@@Just_SmallWolf I think a match has already fallen against you, or maybe it's just an identical nickname
back when i was about 14 i had my level 40 account banned for no reason like i spent maybe $150 on the game which for a 14 year old is a lot of money now when i contacted them asking to unsuspend my account i got the typical auto response bot saying they'll email me the next day but i never got a response from them so when i tried making a new account i got up to level 20 before they banned me again
I'm so glad you joined Ecko on talking about the issues this game has, and even tho you've both and quite possibly more content creators have given feedback or suggestions they still do nothing about some of those problems. it's time these things come to light, it's time the game improves.
The only way to play this game
is
to make completely free fan base game based on pixel gun 3D.
As someone that’s been playing since 2018 (maybe 2017 I can’t remember) I’ve seen all of these problems become worse and worse
I remember this game, I quit mostly because everything just pissed me off. Mostly the overpowered opponents I faced, not to mention like you said. Leveling up makes your weapons horrible, smh.
I wish people would stop letting the FOMO/Sunk cost fallacy keep them locked into playing pixel gun, it’s just a waste of time and money now. I don’t get how anyone could find it genuinely fun anymore.
I've quit like 5years ago...could you imagine that was 2019? But yea i came back for a bit saw how pay to win it became and left for good
Im glad to hear you talking about this
Granted i dont watch your youtube channel at all, but ive played this game for 8 years and ive had many of the same gripes as you
What sent me over the edge was the intergalatic treasurer event (when the weapon wasnt balanced)
Extremely grind heavy for higher level players and super easy for lower level players (due to the fact bot lobbies are littered throughout for low levels)
Because of this for the first time in awhile i experienced heavy burnout with the game, which i dont have often
Im glad you still talked about this bro, keep up the good work and i hope your channel continues to grow✊
Edit: im soooo glad you talked about mods. When mods first came out the best level i got them to was level 5-7 give or take for the elements and the sub “elements”. Mods are overpowed and dominate between simply having a mythic versus having a mythic or even epic weapon with level 10 mods on it. The mods themselves now are so hard to get, silver is expensive if your not in a active clan (thats even if your clan has black market) and theres no other way to earn silver besides clan wars making them a trump card to both new and veteran players alike
Also i didnt know the skins give you buffs on steam. Honestly just pure p2w and cringe
The effects from the skins aren't just for battle royale btw, they do have them in any other game mode, for example, wave pulser's pretty much a oneshot regardless of module level if you take into account the skin's poison damage which is quite high, probably the highest in the game.
Who remembers when we were kids and used to watch campaign boss fight vedios with nostalgic music in the background..
The war just started
love the honesty. props to you bro!
Hope these devs will do something 🙏
they aint
They might if the money starts going low thats why they made steam they should get better devs like even minecraft devs better cuz atleast some of them are passionate @Toaster6008 edit geometry dash has one dev who is robtop and he is very passionate about gd and is quite communicative with de community and he doesn't even need to update for money pretty sure he even is millionare
They wont they're useless some of these problems have been in the game for years and these so called developers still have not fixed them
Ooga booga green paper
-pg3d devs
@@EtinocLitterally the only Time that you have to spend money on GD is when ur downloading it
One thing that destroys players is the matchmaking in earlier levels you get matched with bots who are so easy to kill so once you enter level 50 you camt keep up with the max lvl one shot gun spammers and 5 cats the game doesnt prepare you for that at all
I DEADASS GOT A PIXEL GUN AD BEFORE IT STARTED STOP😭😭
I was done when their ads took 1200 tickets when I didnt click accept and tried to click out of said ad then reported the problem then was told they never refund ever then write a review saying what they said was told to email support again and got the run around twice. The game is awful and my statement stands
War Robots: Finally, a worthy opponent
Its crazy how all these great childhood games became so shit and ptw throught the years
I remember when in 2014-2016 weapons had star ratings (up to 3 stars per per weapon ) some had one and some two. Upgrading your star rating on a gun made it better and sometimes changed the appearance of the gun . Soon after the efficiency rating was added where you had to upgrade your weapon every time you leveled up, that’s where it all went downhill…
I’ve played this game for ten years and for me and many others it has become a nostalgic mess 😢
Finnaly. This game is so dead honestly, we talking to walls. I will take a loooooooong break.
The Worst is the fact that I don't talk about P2w when I'm an F2P player
The devs are really too greedy.
Edit :Just in case, there's no hate in my comment.
Thanks you Mint. You will remain my favorite content creator
im a veteran whos played the game since 2014, and watching the developers kill the game i grew up with for years really saddens me. this game is really unfriendly to beginners, the matchmaking is insanely inconsistent, the prices of a lot of weapons, gadges and shop offers are way too high, and once you actually DO max out and reach lvl 65, there just isnt much to do. i still have the game installed so i can occasionally reminisce when i feel like it, but as the game is now? i can safely say i am retired and do not want to play this game in the current state its in.
I just wish weapon efficiency did not exist. That thing stresses the fuck out of me every time I level up. F2P players have it really unfair especially when you have to part with a gun you liked because its efficiency fell back too much.
Also 65 levels take way too long to get.
So, Android (for me at least) has a bug where you ain't buying anything in the shop. It just says "login to google play" or smth on my & my mom's phone for 2 YEARS. I could've easily get guns there if that bug didn't exist. Also, anyone agree wit me that the price of getting & upgrading modules are shit?
ik bro we all are done
as someone who was part of the old toxic "pro community" from 2017, it's been this way for a long time. Ever since update 8.0.0, which added armor, people starting making p2w claims. It felt like every other update after 10.0.0 was introducing a super op weapon. First the fire orb, then the ghost lantern, then the frost beam spell glitch, etc.
and the introduction of gems, along with the terrible lag that wasn't fixed for I want to say almost a year is what caused a lot of the old players to leave the game, and it's actually why iOS planet took an extended break from the game, one of the most popular pg3d youtubers at the time.
dude u say nothing has changed but we literally had free swipe spamming for years and the developers didn't do anything until it became to big of a problem to ignore. loved the video man.
my unconditional and scrumdiddyumptious love for this video is completely endless.
on a serious note, if the game falls, pretty much every single youtuber who makes content about this game (with the exception of some) is going to lose like 95% of their audience as soon as they try to quit making pg3d content and move on to something else.
pg3d youtubers are trapped and it sucks for everyone
Yeah agent shadow tried to move the bloons TD 6 content and he hasn't got they high view count
I just re-downloaded pg3d today, and got my account back but there were so many popups i almost immediately deleted app again its that bad
1:04 bro just roasted laprune
1:12 but then unroasted him
@@content9593 nah i love laprune he just doesnt care lmao
@@MintGamingYT it what way
Biggest problem is that, not having new weapons to buy at the store, just grind and get parts
Pray to our lord and savior Secret Forces Rifle
The game is actually still very fun 90% of the time. We just need those hackers out.
It is p2w on Android too, because the amount of grind (ads/tasks/challenges/play) you need to do to afford stuff is INSANE. Many hours a day.
Also, stuff like the Spicy Crab Roll is literally impossible to get f2p even if you DO have 11.000 gems, because the total cost of all guns in van is less than that. Set event, armoury buys and so on do not count.
THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH THEIR PROFIT MODEL: The new owners insist on trying to profit from making it impossible to compete unless you get the newest stuff.
It should be possible to compete right away!
I grinded so hard just to get the stuff I needed to compete. And then they added PC, so I can't compete anyway.
Also, I think the reason they didn't test Steam is the new owners are over working the programmers they have left. The new owners wanted that steam $$$ ASAP.
This game was such a big part of my childhood. It really sucked watching it slowly fall apart through the years. Now it's just a bitter memory I wish to forget.
1:38 I also love dumping my entire loadout on one person and they just stare at me whilst taking 0 damage..
Peak balancing!! 😊😊
its like that one meme where its like standing here, i realize. that's what this is.
Yeah literally that.. 😂
And, like the meme, the enemy just wakes up and one shots you..
Fr also LOVE U ONLYSPIRED 👍👍
U make good content imo
Duels are also like this with matchmaking; level 25 i think, and i was matched with a level 68 or something guy with maxed weapons by the looks of it... and i know they're also just playing the game, but damn they need to fix this
I quted I long time ago and I knew this game would fall
Fr like all mobile games
@@from.archangels not all some are good the rest are bad
The game started to rot already at the moment when spam appeared, and became the one and only effective tactic. And then players were ready to swallow anything, if only the new free gun did not have animation.
It was at this point that the game began to lose popularity and the quality of the game content went down. I have nothing more to say.
Oh uhm ughh bro this game smells bad the devs should clean it ugh this is going in the garbage can
what.
@@eaj-b2jin a comprehensible translation "the devs ought to clean up this garbage of a game"
i think a big problem with the matchmaking is that there arent enough players to seperate them and there are barely any full games as it is
The cat spammers are a huge turn off. I used to play back when the gold minigun was a high tier gun. I get so so tired of cat spamming broken guns and killing the fun.
Pixel gun isnt "technically" pay to win , it is. Even before pc release. By spending money , you get an advantage. Its that simple. Its always ben this way in games where you upgrade equipment. You spend money for better stuff but face the same people. Its literally pay to win.
Wtf happened to this game ever since i left it? Back then leveling up was bliss! because not only of the new weapons you would unlock but each time you would also face a new league of players which would allow you to not only level up your level and weapons, but also your skill. Now its just dogshit.
Or do a lot of other people are doing is just cheat them in, that’s really the only way to still have fun in the game
I remember playing this game many years ago, Its sad to see this happening. Such a tragedy
I played back in 2013 when the game came out, but I quit after a few years because the friends I used to play with moved schools, so I had no one to play with. I came back in 2023 to a few of my weapons missing and a very different game. I hate the new leveling system for weapons, I think that should've never been added. I don't appreciate that they made most, if not all, of my weapons useless through the addition of the mythical rarity. I heard about a pc release coming, so I decided to put the game down and wait. Once it released on pc, I played for a day or two and dropped it again because it wasn't any better than the mobile version. The game seems more like a cash-grab than the game it used to be, and I'm severely disappointed.
2:39 is exactly why i would just close the game on mobile every time I finished a match and my character wouldn’t collect XP. It also made trader vans back then way cheaper when you could spend coins in them (as for gems idk if they were cheaper or not)
matchmaking goes completly nonexistent as soon as you become level 30, after that you’ll play against a lot of level 65 players.
the reason for no confirm button is because they expect you to actually make mistakes and expect you to buy those lost gems immediately.
. My idea was that in tournament you can only use basic weapons and armor. No cape no double jump no buffs. Jist pure skill.
Its so frustrating to see something you cherished as a kid start to rust and age so badly when alot of this could have been EASILY prevented
I remember when i first purcahsed the game I prebought a gun and its efficiency automatically went down, and I leveled up and the gun itself was un usable.
1:30 clip is basically you instantly kill an enemy and only live 10 second pixel gun 3D soul balance.
I only see lvl 65's on "ranked" games.
But i still think the game always gives one overlevelled player per lobby to cause people to get mad and buy better guns
14:40 That has happened to me SO MANY TIMES! I’m glad I’m not the only one infuriated by that.
I have been playing this game for 11 years from the beginning yeah i know iam old but seeing it slowly loosing its popularity is sad😭😭
Old player that quit 3 years ago there was so many things i didnt like when i was done with this game like when they made clans 3.0 because that stopped all the fun’s hard stuff about the game and the amount of glitches this game had was the end of it for me.
I just got back into the game 2 weeks ago, I'm only level 15 and going against people with insane Armour, harsh punisher, and ultimatum
To be clear Pixel gun 3D is a dead game because how unbearably unbalanced the matchmaking are and super expensive gun upgrades
I need to mention that there's a lot of restrictions in loot box games in many countries due to gambling laws and you cannot have anything depending the mount someone mentioned that on the pixel gun subreddit
I’ve been playing this game since it released. I’ve had my most recent account for 7 years or so and it’s crazy how all that work becomes pointless (even as a lvl 65) to someone with max lvl modules. Modules are where it all went wrong fr. Even as a max level, my weapons are becoming weaker because they pay for lvl 10 modules. It’s a brutal meta where even if you’re a veteran, you’ll be outclassed on every level because you don’t pay constant money to stay ahead of the curve. I used to love this game. I used to watch pixel gun 3D RUclipsrs. I stopped because I thought everyone was ignoring these glaring issues. I grew up with this game. I’m starting to hate it which is really unfortunate. Thanks for making the video man. I found it to be a breath of fresh air because at least someone cares ya know.
I love playing Pixel Gun with my friend who has been playing himself for 4 years and I get matched with level 60s as a level 15 because I joined his squad
15:05 Istg I open PG3D and like 15 different pop ups appear before I can even do anything and they all take forever to load their exit buttons💀
This game in this current state makes Call of duty: Warzone Mobile look like a good game(at least on android) which is absolutely insane. All the stuff you said wasn't opinions, they were facts.
Last time i touched this game was probably back around 2016-18 and seeing it in this state just saddens me
Why can’t they Do what Fortnite did
Agreed, imagine they just terminate all the new guns, while guns like prototype will stay, the graphics will turn back to the og graphics, dam that actually would be so fricking good on their part
Too bad they are greedy
The bloat has finally brought its consequences
I hate that developers nerfed old op guns to the ground, and make everyone grind to get the new meta weapons and then later nerf them aswell.
Ik the game was going to died but I miss playing it after my main account was goan so irdk now the dev care for money more then anyone want to make the game better 😕
I’m level 65, just logged on for the first time in a year and a half. Got over 7 pop ups before I could even go to the armory.
One thing to always remember about games such as this, games such as War Robots, games that fit the criteria of being unbalanced pay to win and full of cheaters, is that if developers haven't made a stride towards solving a problem by now, they never will. I quit this game in 2019 originally, but came back when it arrived on steam for the nostalgia. Oh boy is it fun... without cheaters, matchmaking problems, and- ironically on OUR part- players with bad promotional propaganda on their custom items. The devs aren't stopping what they're doing because they KNOW what they're doing, and they won't listen to us because even if we quit there'll be hundreds or even thousands of players still force feeding them the money they need to have good guns. What are we to them if they've got those players?
theres a sound effect slider on mobile. thanks for coming to my Ted talk