you derve it Bobby. Thanks for making great art entertainment I valued in the past decade since I found ya back in 2015. Looking forward to see where this new channel goes.
No, no, no... you don't understand. You see, it works like this. Demoralization. You take away spirituality. You remove the meaning of words, deny people their traditions and countries. You devalue the currency. You propagandize women hating men and visa versa. Eventually people won't care anymore and that's when you impose the whole "you will own nothing and be happy cattle" idea. And you could have just said what I always say... technology is trivializing skilled work. When everything is trivial, efforts have no value, and if there's no value, no one will be able to get more money for their efforts. See?
Only a matter of time before we see some AI toys on that wall AI is probably going to affect the toy companies sooner or later, we will get a real-life. Toy Story movie scenario where many of the toys are combined with AI and that would be scary but at the same time kind of cool and the rise of AI toys will begin. Then again it might even be in the works some toy companies are going to start making them and some might go out of business if they don't adapt to making them.
"It's not about the artists getting money, it's about creating a complete ecosystem for future art" That is such a strong point! Not that people exploiting AI for art give a damn about the means so long as they get the product, even now, but it's a good way to put it for people that just think it's not doing any harm.
There's this movie called The Congress (starring Robin Wright) where an actress allows a major studio to scan her body / facial expressions and record her voice to make movies with her image without having the need of actually hiring her. She makes this tough decision after dealing with financial difficulties to cover her son's health problem. Now that you mention it, I feel like I'm living in a sci-Fi movie where companies are seriously working towards replacing humans in fields like art that shouldn't be by no meaning left in the hands of algorithms
OMG yes, I've been posting this everywhere talking about A.I and Hollywood. The Congress is a great example of what Hollywood's end game is. Why pay Tom Cruise millions each movie, if they can just pay him once and do whatever they want with him without his consent.
@@Dragonstar13 and even keep making movies long after his death! ofc is difficult to think someone would sign a contract like that but sometimes life happens and there's no way of knowing what's to come
There is no "Scifi", its just that they need to make a genre called "science fiction" to not violating the galactic federation law of "No interference" with ET to human in terms of technology and showing their technology into literature here on Earth. It was all explained in Cosmic Agency YT channel with their contact to ET woman.
I’ve got an old friend that has story-boarded Pirates of the Caribbean; he was a co-creator of the animated movie Rango (he actually designed \drew the character Rango himself);said he worked on the movie for 4 years;but the only thing he was paid for was a little of some voice work on it. His name is James Ward Byrkit. I was in high school with him;we finished high school in 1985. Very glad to see your new channel Bobby! I’ve learned alot from you over the years, thanks!
I've been waiting for this video for so long now, thank you for voicing your opinion. I can't overstate how much it helps to hear you talk about these issues.
Hey Bobby I found your take on AI very well put. As an artist, it is hard not to be uncomfortable about the whole subject, but I am glad people are talking about it. The way you talk about an artist's journey with creating their style or even just putting in what hours they could to create what they create, I feel, is so important. Anything to help those who don't understand why we are so upset and really think about what AI is actually taking from us in those images. I also just really wanted to say that I have only recently discovered your (original) channel, and I have been really enjoying the absolute backlog of amazing content you have available. Some of those videos, I can even say, have given me the courage to comment on this video now! I was so scared when I saw your bye video pop up. I was sad that this creator I had (sadly) only recently discovered might be going away, but as I can see now, that is very much not the case, and I am so excited to see everything else you have to share and what other convos come out of this channel! I also cannot wait to take a schoolism class as soon as I am able to!
I always remember Hayao Miyazaki answering a question by John Lasseter about why studio Ghibli kept the classic method of hand-drawn animation; Mr. Miyazaki replied, "I had an illusion about computers. I thought computers would do the tiresome tedious work of drawing we didn't want to do. I realized that was a mistake, and actually people were using the computers to do EVEN MORE TIRESOME THINGS THAT MADE IT MORE TIRESOME FOR US LATER." The interview, for those interested: ruclips.net/video/UUF9c8oXk08/видео.html
The part when you stated that after two years of development and winning two Emmys that Amazon had the audacity to only pay the creators $50k, made me want to turn everything over for you.
Glad your are still araound, resubbuded here and hipefully your old channel will stick around for those of us who remember you all these years. Thanks for all you do Chiu!
Bobby! Great job of taking some incredibly complicated issues facing us as artists and creatives in the entertainment industry and breaking them down into easy to understand scenarios! Appreciate you getting the word out!
Thank you bobby for not leaving us and for this well put thought. Somehow it really gave me comfort hearing your stance, It has been very daunting with how the AI debate has been going on but hearing thoughts from pro artist like you are a ray of light to people like me who dreams to go to this field. Thank you, and wish you the same (or even more) success on this new channel.
I appreciate how you acknowledge both sides of the argument as precursor to your thoughts. In such polarized times your consideration of both “sides” is refreshing and compelling. Great first vid Bobby. Dropping gems!
There are a lot of task I do that are not very fun and tedious so for those I would like a tool to help automated it, but right now the AI is just a plagiarism generator. I don't want to steal someone's stuff I just want a tool to help make my stuff less annoying to produce.
First, I just love clever uses of names in the title. Secondly, I’ve noticed that the same people who want art “democratized” are the same people who get angry about education and what book’s children should be able to read. I see ai investments as a spiral into degradation, and it doesn’t seem like companies are yielding to any demands from writers, actors, animators or anyone. I think this is our small window of catching the attention of a starving audience. We keep getting fed reboots and other unoriginal ideas as a global market we need to divest from corporations and invest in artist led productions.
Great questions being asked Bobby. Congrats on the new channel. I'd love to see your take on animation artists joining unions and the current wave of unions and cooperative business models-especially when we talk about the salary of CEO's vs employees at animation giants.
Great first chat... Perfect topic that I think we need to have many more discussions about.. I really appreciate your take on AI and the creative industry..
Is there a country where artists receive a fair remuneration? I'm not sure. Novels authors, comics authors, illustrators get too little compensation. Fortunately some artists are showing some possible ways.
@@alinerdelav I know that lot of authors, illustrators, cartoonists try to self-publish. Others try to create platforms in order to publish comics. Some become famous with self-publishing, then find an editor for traditional publishing BUT keep the rights for the digital publishing. Brandon Sanderson keeps the rights for special paper editions. Other famous artists create their own publishing company. The French cartoonist Riad Sattouf for example. The other solution is the crowdfunding. Many illustrators, cartoonists, authors go this way.
Nordic countries (especially Finland) have a lot of government held grants for people with creative degrees. Some of the programs even pay your entire salary tax free so you can just focus on making art (it is not huge amount but it is enough for living). All university degrees are also free of charge so artists do not struggle with student debt later on.
@@sove thanks for your answer. In France an author of a novel or book gets less than 10% of the book price. A lot of cartoonists prefer to promote and sell theirs books, comics, art books via internet and crowdfunding. I think the whole animation film industry exploit the artists and the animators. I hope that self-publishing (also for paper) will become the normal way to reach people. And for animation films I hope there will be a similar solution. Another example. Now, lot of stand-up comedians, once they have established a reputation, become producers of their own shows.
This is a great start! I wish you success and that the number of viewers will pass a million, thank you for your hard work and very high quality content, it's always a pleasure to watch your videos. ❤
There is no good argument for AI it's all BS designed to distract you with philosophical nonsense. Just like workers replaced in car factories, it's here to replace for cost saving purposes. Like you said companies are taking 'photos' of actors and saying this belongs to us now, move along. I laughed when someone said 'OK what happens when an AI replaces the idiot typing in prompts?' That got 'em. So what if it helps a disabled person to draw? It's the AI doing the work. It would be different if that person could project their thoughts onto digital paper, or control a pen with neuron pulses. Or something. I'd support that. The pushback, as in the past, is that artisan and handmade things became a thing. Without sources and prompts, I seriously doubt AI will ever match human imagination.
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I super appreciate your voice being heard with the SAG-AFTRA protests going on currently. Art has always been an exploited community/industry. Outside of the art world, nobody takes it seriously. Period. What has caused a great rift between artists and laymen is the societal ideology of "artists are born, not made." (It's BS btw! Anyone can learn ANYTHING! Artists will be the MOST encouraging about it!) And therefore, many who cannot grasp it immediately just fully believe that they were not born that way and cannot/will not be an artist. I think this has stemmed from generation to generation for far too long... That is why there is so much exploitation and resentment towards the art community and artists individually. What is currently happening is that people want to use AI to exploit the art industry--to make a buck. When AI imaging came out, the unskilled took hold of it to feel skillful and call themselves artists without putting any effort into anything. They've been using it to sell posters, t-shirts, worn-out ideas, etc... AI has become a tool of capitalism. And whoever uses the argument that AI is supposed to help people and be used by the very same artists it stole from... they have convinced themselves with capitalistic propaganda. Not to mention... AI is being used for incredibly fraudulent things, as you said. It's a political and economic weapon. Also, it is used for incredibly unscrupulous uses such as revenge porn or even just selling someone's body with a fake AI creation of them--no nude pictures of that person necessary. AI will just make a body for it, and then you can make a video out of it. It's really terrible. Again, all a "get rich quick" scheme so that you don't have to learn or practice a skill and get a job. They can just steal from people with AI. Again, thank you, Bobby Chiu. You've always been a prominent voice in the arts community. And I was glad to receive the Schoolism newsletter this month with the news of your revamped RUclips channels. Keep it up!!
I think, that, while anyone can use some discipline to gain skills and make competent art, truly great artists are in fact kinda special. Everybody has their purpose, whether it's to serve, to compete, to follow, to lead, to be humble, or to speak.... and dedicated artists are in fact meant to have a voice in their medium. The cringey thing we'll be seeing is when everyone, even the unqualified (ya i said it) will be bellowing at us with their undeserved "artistic" 'voice'.
I was amazed when I first started seeing some of the AI art images being created and I messed around with it for a bit but then I saw it grow and a lot of non artists creating stuff probably no human could ever make and it really scared me... I am nervous about AI now because I could potentially lose my current job and possibly any future jobs or freelance work. Thank you Bobby for everything you have done and are doing and good luck with this new channel! I will be watching!
I was kind of disgusted instantly. I used it some, to experiment and “know” it a bit….. since the first line of attack against anti-ai artists is “have you even used it???” It was transparently a problem. Artists claim it helps with brainstorming or execution or compliments or supplements their work. No. Its a replacement. Adopt or fall behind? No. Adopting is falling behind. Nothing is more anti-art, anti-creative, or contrary to humanity than ai. Welcome to the post-talent, anti-talent, low-talent, talent-hating world where standards and thought will fall lower and lower and jobs will only be the first thing we lose. Much more is at stake than just the job. But the job will be the wake up call. Don’t fear ai. But DO see it as the malevolent vile force that it is.
@@rockon8174 what a worthless thing to say. to think ai only threatens those without value to add is foolish and incorrect. It shows zero understanding of what ai is. It DOES, however, demonstrate just how dehumanizing ai will be. Ugly.
no I actually have a lot to offer and that is what scares me you obviously don't understand the seriousness of AI. Good luck in your future endeavors I don't think you will get far with that attitude to fellow artists and creatives. It's because of people like Bobby and other well know great artists in many art fields that show understanding and want to show others how to improve and better themselves that I have continued and will do what I can to move ahead. I think you should go watch some of the free videos out there from Bobby Chiu, Aaron Blaise and Stan Prokopenko and see what they have done for a lot of up and coming struggling artists... you may learn something but I doubt it. Haters will hate. Again good luck with whatever your future brings you @@rockon8174
Very interesting discussion! A while back I watched Zoe Hong's video about AI in fashion design and how quickly people can put sketches together but she also mentioned that there's other aspects of design (for example material science for textiles) that couldn't be so readily replaced by AI but still an avenue for creativity and innovation moving into the future. It will be interesting and scary to see how AI develops but we definitely need regulation and some forms of protection for artists, actors, etc
Great topic to start on. Having been on both side's of the business beast, working for studios and in family business from supermarkets , to financal to construction and development I know that for the stakeholder it can be a big payout but also a huge risk. More often than not you can lose money on a project because of theft or because it goes over budget (this can be labor taking longer or unforseen repairs needed to equipment.) That being said my dad has always tried to pay his team the highest going rate because he values the skill and craftsmanship of the members of the construction team. (Once the skill is on that level of course) As places I have worked at as an employee it had varied, some treat you as a valued member of the team others not so much. As a designer I dont believe its right to be using people's work without their permission and fair compensation, as you pointed out it takes years to develop these skills. (We are literally always working to improve.) As businesses get larger they normally become less concerned with the individual and more with the bottom line, they just want the cheapest tool that will help them generate the most profit. So the ethical controls and development needs to start from the creators of the software and we need to stand against unethical use of these tools, IMHO.
This is a really great nuanced talk on the subject! I am really happy that you touched upon this subject. I am currently taking a class on the ethics of AI and it is fascinating how AI is already integrated in large aspects of life already. Due to the sheer volume of content on social media, deep learning algorithms are used to maximize watch time and engagement on these platforms. In my class we are reading The Chaos Machine by Max Fisher and it is pretty interesting. Anywho, keep up the great work and have a great day Bobby! Love these videos!
I think that AI is the first step of many and it will ultimately take many artists' jobs away because people think, why pay an artist when i can do it cheaper or even for free just my humble opinion
It’s a possibility, but yes, that remains legal. It might just have a domino effect across many industries. I might be wrong, but I have my faith that it won’t come to that.
You are talking about concept art? Because if you do you have no clue of what concept art is, right now it's a problem on illustrators and graphic artists, but as far as I know even them do not worry so much
i don't think that i will come so far either, i stay positive, i think the dynamic of humans will find its way to stay human, even with the AI@@chiu-on-this
Thank you for this video. In such a maddness that ai creates, and how people are accepting it, by ignoring the violation of ethics and copyright law against the creators, makes me feel to be alone in this fight from time to time. But videos like this chear me up and give hope, that we can still make the world hear us and achieve a proper regulation
Also liked your theories at the end of the video. It definitely feels like a sci Fi pitch for a story (I'd love to read/ watch a conflict like that unfold) but at the same time I'm amazed and horrified of the possibilities of that happening for real increasing every year 😮
Congratulations on the new channel. I wonder what will happen once AI is training on mostly AI content. Will it be the same effect as photocopying a photocopy.
just got here after ur vid gotten recommended to me, and I'd say I really like your approach and the way you explain your thoughts! will stick around to your future videos c: good luck on your new channel!
There's good and bad applications for AI, definitely. But AI "art" is such a corporate invention. And it does nothing but keep the human mind and creativity stuck in a loop of mediocrity because it only draws from datasets. Good art speaks to the human soul, whether people know it or not. And that's actually very important for human and societal evolution. I know it's lame to be all deep, but that's what art is. It's deep. And having messed with Midjourney and Diffusion.. the art I made looked fascinating but felt so hollow. Idk, it really caters to this new generation of instantly produced goods and people's superficiality. It's not a good path to be on, as a society. Not in the long run. We shouldn't settle with mediocrity or keep reliving the past.
You need to distinguish between 'art' and 'content.' Art may well speak to the human soul - but that's not where the money or volume is. an artist might pour their heart into a piece of music or a painting, working for months to produce a masterwork that moves people to tears. Meanwhile the artist next door is in a more realistic position: Churning out advertisements for toothpaste in the hope it'll pay enough to make ends meet. Art done for the sake of art and art done for the sake of business are very different things.
The argument that AI art is just advancement of society is like saying we could replace writers, financial advisors, CEO or even Presidents of countries? Artists have been historically one of the keys to developing culture and civilization. That’s why I believe Original art will always win out! In my former career in IT, advancement in tech is suppose to be a helper not a replacement for humanity. I’m pro tech but anti- tech companies that use it for selfish reasons. Thanks Bobby for always helpful and thoughtful opinions. 🫶🏼
Awesome first vid! You haven't said much about AI. Looks like you were really thinking through how to respond appropriately. Very well said! I look forward to more of this.
Great video! I just wanted to say that I did think that the audio sounded a bit off at some points. Maybe you can play around with it a little more. Other than that I really enjoyed it and like how deep you went into the scenario of a possible world of unregulated AI. Looking forward to more vids : )
Art teacher here. Recently I heard a teen student say, "I hate real art, I hate real instrument (musical), because it takes too long to learn, its a pointless waste of time when I can do the same thing on my Mac." Scary. I'm always trying to create a viewpoint that is more about being a human than just making something easy.
"If people develop their art over years and then its taken and used by others in less time, fewer people will want to be artists" based on what? If others' success determines whether or not you want to do art, you're not an artist. Artists have, do, and will continue to create, regardless of the environment, circumstances, and fads of the day, period - as evidenced by the fact literally every single master painter and sculptor used the art of masters past to build their skills, in many instances those copies and their creators became far more well-known than the originator of the piece, especially in Renaissance Italy. Just because the Da Vinci's, Michaelangelo's lived in a time where it was illegal to exhume and dissect humans to look at musculature, and it took several decades for them to earn their skills, do you think that the fact we have access to hundreds of millions of photos, and billions of man-hours of video, 3d models, applications showing every single facet of human experience for its recorded existence, that they wouldn't want to be artists because "we're not doing it the hard way"? We have reference - live and static - of every possible material, physiology, location, culture, and creation organic or otherwise, which is to say nothing of the facility we have to get tools, digital and physical with orders of magnitude less effort, and with that, what do we see? Do we see fewer artists because it's so much easier to create art and copy other artists' styles? No, we have hundreds of millions of artists - many of whom very well may be better and more talented than Da Vinci or Giotto or Michaelangelo. And really, is the existence of someone who "took your style" (which, by the way, you can't copyright) or someone who is "better" than you at art any reason not to practice and pursue such a noble craft? Decidedly not. The only reason this argument exists is because we live in a construct that requires capital. If money weren't at stake, this wouldn't even be an issue, as evidenced by the fact that the main grievance you've presented is the lack of compensation - the irony is, in the very system that wouldn't give you compensation for someone taking your style, style itself is not able to be copyrighted. In fact, the only content you could legally complain if someone stole, is the content you gave freely, on RUclips, showing people how to copy your style. Of course there's a huge difference between stealing style, and outright stealing a piece or pieces of art, but there's a distinction. Love the video.
I think all this shows is how much of what makes our experience worth it is not about efficiency and speed, but actually doing things even though it's not the fastest or easiest way to do it. In my opinion, the ability to balance when we should prioritize speed and tech advance - like for medical purposes, for example - and when we should prioritize the experience itself - like slowly building up a piece of art - also shows us how much of the discussion should be about ethics and what are our parameters to measure our evolution itself instead of the technology, which in this case turns out to be AI. We focus too much on the technology being the problem and rarely on why that tech turns out to be a problem to us in the first place. Caring for the people and things next to us and not manipulating people to earn money or status instead of only focusing on the more distant major problems would probably be a good starting point. Our daily actions and decisions are the starting point for the systems in our society, so that definitely is something important. Since life is very complex and things are already happening, I understand why we worry about the technology itself, so I'm not saying this is something we shouldn't worry about - it's just something interesting to think. I hope we can find a way to make the world a better place together even though it's definitely not a simple thing, but well, nothing is simple anyway. We should always remember our limitations and do the best we can being a human as well as other species do their best being themselves.
Hey Bobby, good to see you! Glad to hear we're on the same page with this. The argument that artists are "gatekeepers" to art is trite and stupid. AI that "learns" a style that is wholly owned and created it's originator without compensation breaks every rule of law designed over the last 100 years to give the creator a chance to make a living from it. In the future, I see art splitting into two camps: AI (artificial) art and human, handmade art. Personally I think, no matter how good it gets, it has an air of artificiality that will wear thin in coming years once the novelty has worn off. The novelty of social media has finally gone away, even though it took a decade or so. The "next big thing" won't take that long. (Also, the entire time I've been listening I wondered if you used Adobe's AI audio tool, then you confessed to doing so! I've played with it myself and it's pretty cool. It does get a little roboty here and there.) Like any tool, the benefits of AI depend on how it's applied by people. Let's hope that rationality wins out.
We just need to stop referring to prompt based image generators as AI. AI encompasses a lot more, and it is a handy tool. Like your example with the audio, taking things out from a background, image stabilisation in video using software AI. That’s cool stuff, and is not the same thing and shouldn’t be talked about in the same breath where people type in request into a software and it makes something. We need to be specific about this, so people don’t bring up the non prompt based AI stuff. Because the issue here is the prompt based image generators, not eliminating mundane tasks no one wants to do.
In mid-2015, RUclips was bombarded with the success of prank channels with millions of views, because of this then RUclipsrs started to fake pranks. When the audience noticed it, the popularity of prank content ultimately died in popularity. Ai-generated content had the same effect. When you see a painting or any creative endeavor created by a human, there is an insane amount of empathy, admiration, and mimicry. We project ourselves on the conscious of this other person. Now if we start seeing movies, games, etc., created by Ai, no matter how good the quality is, there is this discomfort feeling of being ripped off, the value is not there anymore and all we think if someone pressing ctrl+good movie somewhere, the same way when a prank is fake. Ai will be the nail in the coffin for the internet and the digital era. People might put their phones down and maybe talk to others in search of genuine interaction.
gran video, es muy valioso escuchar tu punto de vista, muchos artistas que vivimos en fuera de estados unidos tenemos los ojos puestos en como se desarrolla y hacia donde va.
Holy Shit!!! I was sketching and listening to your video over headset and when you suddenly changed the sound, I had a little jumpscare moment. It was like you were suddenly standing behind me in the dark room and now I need to calm my heart down again!
Excellent video! New channel is off to a great start. I personally am pro-AI, or AI positive, I think the technology of machine learning and stable diffusion models is amazing overall. The ethical issues you mention are the main problem with the technology. I am confident that resolutions will evolve and as for AI art and the particular issues around that, concept artists in particular should be looking into how AI can be ethically used to enhance their process. AI companies should be looking into how they can ethically source data, i.e. pay for it. Hard anti-AI artists should continue their fight, while also considering how they can evolve their process in a market that likely won't ever be AI-free, or pure-human ever again. As usual, and you touched on this very poignantly, there is always a truth in the middle of any heated debate and that is where rationality and reasoning will eventually lead us. I was particularly shocked to hear that one anti-AI artist, who I will not name, did not have their work copyrighted. Not one piece?!? That's just bad business practice. On the other hand, I am surprised companies with lots of revenue haven't publicly contracted artists to train their AI, or at least as far as I know they haven't. I think it's likely we will look back on the moral panic around AI with a bit of humor in 10 years, as we always do anytime there is a moral panic. I mean, I'm still waiting for video games to turn me into a raving psycho and GMO corn to give me cancer and Dungeons and Dragons to turn me into a satan-worshipping pizza delivery boy.
I read the best comment, it said " _"thank god we got AI to do art and poetry so we could focus on doing manual labor"_
Thank you for watching my new video and subscribing!! I'm feeling very thankful.
you derve it Bobby. Thanks for making great art entertainment I valued in the past decade since I found ya back in 2015. Looking forward to see where this new channel goes.
Happy to do so! I expect this channel to blow up quick.
No, thank YOU!
Looks like the channel is off to a good start!
No, no, no...
you don't understand.
You see, it works like this.
Demoralization. You take away spirituality. You remove the meaning of words, deny people their traditions and countries.
You devalue the currency. You propagandize women hating men and visa versa.
Eventually people won't care anymore and that's when you impose the whole "you will own nothing and be happy cattle" idea.
And you could have just said what I always say... technology is trivializing skilled work.
When everything is trivial, efforts have no value, and if there's no value, no one will be able to get more money for their efforts.
See?
Only a matter of time before we see some AI toys on that wall AI is probably going to affect the toy companies sooner or later, we will get a real-life. Toy Story movie scenario where many of the toys are combined with AI and that would be scary but at the same time kind of cool and the rise of AI toys will begin. Then again it might even be in the works some toy companies are going to start making them and some might go out of business if they don't adapt to making them.
"It's not about the artists getting money, it's about creating a complete ecosystem for future art" That is such a strong point! Not that people exploiting AI for art give a damn about the means so long as they get the product, even now, but it's a good way to put it for people that just think it's not doing any harm.
There's this movie called The Congress (starring Robin Wright) where an actress allows a major studio to scan her body / facial expressions and record her voice to make movies with her image without having the need of actually hiring her. She makes this tough decision after dealing with financial difficulties to cover her son's health problem. Now that you mention it, I feel like I'm living in a sci-Fi movie where companies are seriously working towards replacing humans in fields like art that shouldn't be by no meaning left in the hands of algorithms
OMG yes, I've been posting this everywhere talking about A.I and Hollywood. The Congress is a great example of what Hollywood's end game is. Why pay Tom Cruise millions each movie, if they can just pay him once and do whatever they want with him without his consent.
@@Dragonstar13 and even keep making movies long after his death! ofc is difficult to think someone would sign a contract like that but sometimes life happens and there's no way of knowing what's to come
There is no "Scifi", its just that they need to make a genre called "science fiction" to not violating the galactic federation law of "No interference" with ET to human in terms of technology and showing their technology into literature here on Earth. It was all explained in Cosmic Agency YT channel with their contact to ET woman.
@@lauritaeart Yeah like what if you have a sick kid that needs medical treatments. Or you need the money to save your home.
That's almost like what Disney did to the actress who played snow white, except they ruined her on purpose so she couldn't work again.
I’ve got an old friend that has story-boarded Pirates of the Caribbean; he was a co-creator of the animated movie Rango (he actually designed \drew the character Rango himself);said he worked on the movie for 4 years;but the only thing he was paid for was a little of some voice work on it. His name is James Ward Byrkit. I was in high school with him;we finished high school in 1985. Very glad to see your new channel Bobby! I’ve learned alot from you over the years, thanks!
It's finally nice to hear your stance against AI!
2 existing channels and still delivering insightful infor to us artists. Thankyou for all you do Bobby!~
I've been waiting for this video for so long now, thank you for voicing your opinion. I can't overstate how much it helps to hear you talk about these issues.
I'm so glad!
This is great Bobby! Excited for this new direction.
thank you Jake!! See you in a couple months!
so excited for this new chapter for you on youtube!! wishing you much success !
Thank you so much!!
Hey Bobby I found your take on AI very well put. As an artist, it is hard not to be uncomfortable about the whole subject, but I am glad people are talking about it. The way you talk about an artist's journey with creating their style or even just putting in what hours they could to create what they create, I feel, is so important. Anything to help those who don't understand why we are so upset and really think about what AI is actually taking from us in those images. I also just really wanted to say that I have only recently discovered your (original) channel, and I have been really enjoying the absolute backlog of amazing content you have available. Some of those videos, I can even say, have given me the courage to comment on this video now! I was so scared when I saw your bye video pop up. I was sad that this creator I had (sadly) only recently discovered might be going away, but as I can see now, that is very much not the case, and I am so excited to see everything else you have to share and what other convos come out of this channel! I also cannot wait to take a schoolism class as soon as I am able to!
I always remember Hayao Miyazaki answering a question by John Lasseter about why studio Ghibli kept the classic method of hand-drawn animation; Mr. Miyazaki replied, "I had an illusion about computers. I thought computers would do the tiresome tedious work of drawing we didn't want to do. I realized that was a mistake, and actually people were using the computers to do EVEN MORE TIRESOME THINGS THAT MADE IT MORE TIRESOME FOR US LATER."
The interview, for those interested: ruclips.net/video/UUF9c8oXk08/видео.html
excellent!
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The part when you stated that after two years of development and winning two Emmys that Amazon had the audacity to only pay the creators $50k, made me want to turn everything over for you.
Glad your are still araound, resubbuded here and hipefully your old channel will stick around for those of us who remember you all these years. Thanks for all you do Chiu!
I wish you all the best with the new channel! You played a very important role in my journey as an artist🌟
Bobby! Great job of taking some incredibly complicated issues facing us as artists and creatives in the entertainment industry and breaking them down into easy to understand scenarios! Appreciate you getting the word out!
thank you
Thank you bobby for not leaving us and for this well put thought. Somehow it really gave me comfort hearing your stance, It has been very daunting with how the AI debate has been going on but hearing thoughts from pro artist like you are a ray of light to people like me who dreams to go to this field. Thank you, and wish you the same (or even more) success on this new channel.
I appreciate how you acknowledge both sides of the argument as precursor to your thoughts. In such polarized times your consideration of both “sides” is refreshing and compelling.
Great first vid Bobby. Dropping gems!
There are a lot of task I do that are not very fun and tedious so for those I would like a tool to help automated it, but right now the AI is just a plagiarism generator. I don't want to steal someone's stuff I just want a tool to help make my stuff less annoying to produce.
First, I just love clever uses of names in the title. Secondly, I’ve noticed that the same people who want art “democratized” are the same people who get angry about education and what book’s children should be able to read. I see ai investments as a spiral into degradation, and it doesn’t seem like companies are yielding to any demands from writers, actors, animators or anyone. I think this is our small window of catching the attention of a starving audience. We keep getting fed reboots and other unoriginal ideas as a global market we need to divest from corporations and invest in artist led productions.
Starting your new channel with a bang!
Thank you for tackling this important subject.
Great questions being asked Bobby. Congrats on the new channel. I'd love to see your take on animation artists joining unions and the current wave of unions and cooperative business models-especially when we talk about the salary of CEO's vs employees at animation giants.
Perhaps in the future. Thank you for the suggestion and the kind words.
Hey Bobby! Congrats on the new channel -- I've never hit the subscribe button so fast!!
Welcome aboard and thank you!
Good luck on the new channel Bobby!
Great first chat... Perfect topic that I think we need to have many more discussions about.. I really appreciate your take on AI and the creative industry..
Is there a country where artists receive a fair remuneration? I'm not sure.
Novels authors, comics authors, illustrators get too little compensation. Fortunately some artists are showing some possible ways.
I thought the US... Then where ?
@@alinerdelav I know that lot of authors, illustrators, cartoonists try to self-publish. Others try to create platforms in order to publish comics. Some become famous with self-publishing, then find an editor for traditional publishing BUT keep the rights for the digital publishing.
Brandon Sanderson keeps the rights for special paper editions.
Other famous artists create their own publishing company. The French cartoonist Riad Sattouf for example.
The other solution is the crowdfunding. Many illustrators, cartoonists, authors go this way.
Nordic countries (especially Finland) have a lot of government held grants for people with creative degrees. Some of the programs even pay your entire salary tax free so you can just focus on making art (it is not huge amount but it is enough for living). All university degrees are also free of charge so artists do not struggle with student debt later on.
@@sove thanks for your answer.
In France an author of a novel or book gets less than 10% of the book price. A lot of cartoonists prefer to promote and sell theirs books, comics, art books via internet and crowdfunding.
I think the whole animation film industry exploit the artists and the animators. I hope that self-publishing (also for paper) will become the normal way to reach people. And for animation films I hope there will be a similar solution.
Another example. Now, lot of stand-up comedians, once they have established a reputation, become producers of their own shows.
thank you, this is the answer i was looking for, so Nordic@@sove
Very well articulated video, thank you!!
And yes, it takes courage to lay down thoughts on these subjects publically
leaving a comment to help the new channel :D, lessss gooooo
You're the best! Thank you
This is a great start! I wish you success and that the number of viewers will pass a million, thank you for your hard work and very high quality content, it's always a pleasure to watch your videos. ❤
There is no good argument for AI it's all BS designed to distract you with philosophical nonsense. Just like workers replaced in car factories, it's here to replace for cost saving purposes. Like you said companies are taking 'photos' of actors and saying this belongs to us now, move along.
I laughed when someone said 'OK what happens when an AI replaces the idiot typing in prompts?' That got 'em.
So what if it helps a disabled person to draw? It's the AI doing the work. It would be different if that person could project their thoughts onto digital paper, or control a pen with neuron pulses. Or something. I'd support that.
The pushback, as in the past, is that artisan and handmade things became a thing. Without sources and prompts, I seriously doubt AI will ever match human imagination.
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I super appreciate your voice being heard with the SAG-AFTRA protests going on currently.
Art has always been an exploited community/industry. Outside of the art world, nobody takes it seriously. Period. What has caused a great rift between artists and laymen is the societal ideology of "artists are born, not made." (It's BS btw! Anyone can learn ANYTHING! Artists will be the MOST encouraging about it!) And therefore, many who cannot grasp it immediately just fully believe that they were not born that way and cannot/will not be an artist. I think this has stemmed from generation to generation for far too long... That is why there is so much exploitation and resentment towards the art community and artists individually.
What is currently happening is that people want to use AI to exploit the art industry--to make a buck. When AI imaging came out, the unskilled took hold of it to feel skillful and call themselves artists without putting any effort into anything. They've been using it to sell posters, t-shirts, worn-out ideas, etc... AI has become a tool of capitalism. And whoever uses the argument that AI is supposed to help people and be used by the very same artists it stole from... they have convinced themselves with capitalistic propaganda.
Not to mention... AI is being used for incredibly fraudulent things, as you said. It's a political and economic weapon. Also, it is used for incredibly unscrupulous uses such as revenge porn or even just selling someone's body with a fake AI creation of them--no nude pictures of that person necessary. AI will just make a body for it, and then you can make a video out of it. It's really terrible. Again, all a "get rich quick" scheme so that you don't have to learn or practice a skill and get a job. They can just steal from people with AI.
Again, thank you, Bobby Chiu. You've always been a prominent voice in the arts community. And I was glad to receive the Schoolism newsletter this month with the news of your revamped RUclips channels. Keep it up!!
I think, that, while anyone can use some discipline to gain skills and make competent art, truly great artists are in fact kinda special. Everybody has their purpose, whether it's to serve, to compete, to follow, to lead, to be humble, or to speak.... and dedicated artists are in fact meant to have a voice in their medium. The cringey thing we'll be seeing is when everyone, even the unqualified (ya i said it) will be bellowing at us with their undeserved "artistic" 'voice'.
I really can´t see a way out.I've been sleeping badly for a year because I can´t stop visualizing what's coming
I was amazed when I first started seeing some of the AI art images being created and I messed around with it for a bit but then I saw it grow and a lot of non artists creating stuff probably no human could ever make and it really scared me... I am nervous about AI now because I could potentially lose my current job and possibly any future jobs or freelance work. Thank you Bobby for everything you have done and are doing and good luck with this new channel! I will be watching!
thank you Frank!
I was kind of disgusted instantly. I used it some, to experiment and “know” it a bit….. since the first line of attack against anti-ai artists is “have you even used it???”
It was transparently a problem.
Artists claim it helps with brainstorming or execution or compliments or supplements their work. No. Its a replacement.
Adopt or fall behind?
No.
Adopting is falling behind.
Nothing is more anti-art, anti-creative, or contrary to humanity than ai. Welcome to the post-talent, anti-talent, low-talent, talent-hating world where standards and thought will fall lower and lower and jobs will only be the first thing we lose. Much more is at stake than just the job. But the job will be the wake up call.
Don’t fear ai.
But DO see it as the malevolent vile force that it is.
If you're afraid of AI taking your job, it means you have nothing to offer. 😑
@@rockon8174 what a worthless thing to say. to think ai only threatens those without value to add is foolish and incorrect. It shows zero understanding of what ai is.
It DOES, however, demonstrate just how dehumanizing ai will be.
Ugly.
no I actually have a lot to offer and that is what scares me you obviously don't understand the seriousness of AI. Good luck in your future endeavors I don't think you will get far with that attitude to fellow artists and creatives. It's because of people like Bobby and other well know great artists in many art fields that show understanding and want to show others how to improve and better themselves that I have continued and will do what I can to move ahead. I think you should go watch some of the free videos out there from Bobby Chiu, Aaron Blaise and Stan Prokopenko and see what they have done for a lot of up and coming struggling artists... you may learn something but I doubt it. Haters will hate. Again good luck with whatever your future brings you @@rockon8174
I love all of your videos, so when you said you were starting a new channel I had to come over and give this a listen! Thanks for everything you do!
Very interesting discussion! A while back I watched Zoe Hong's video about AI in fashion design and how quickly people can put sketches together but she also mentioned that there's other aspects of design (for example material science for textiles) that couldn't be so readily replaced by AI but still an avenue for creativity and innovation moving into the future. It will be interesting and scary to see how AI develops but we definitely need regulation and some forms of protection for artists, actors, etc
Great topic to start on. Having been on both side's of the business beast, working for studios and in family business from supermarkets , to financal to construction and development I know that for the stakeholder it can be a big payout but also a huge risk. More often than not you can lose money on a project because of theft or because it goes over budget (this can be labor taking longer or unforseen repairs needed to equipment.) That being said my dad has always tried to pay his team the highest going rate because he values the skill and craftsmanship of the members of the construction team. (Once the skill is on that level of course) As places I have worked at as an employee it had varied, some treat you as a valued member of the team others not so much. As a designer I dont believe its right to be using people's work without their permission and fair compensation, as you pointed out it takes years to develop these skills. (We are literally always working to improve.) As businesses get larger they normally become less concerned with the individual and more with the bottom line, they just want the cheapest tool that will help them generate the most profit. So the ethical controls and development needs to start from the creators of the software and we need to stand against unethical use of these tools, IMHO.
Thank you so much Bobby, for speaking out and for your transparency about your own experiences!
woah bobby chiu is a commentary youtuber?! i'm subscribing!!!
Great to hear this talk! Everyone should Chiu on this!
NEW CHANNEL LET'S GO BOB!!!!
Excited about the new show and channel, man!
Glad to see this channel :) all the best, looking forward to more art chat vids like this
So refreshing to hear this authentic massage ! We need more voices like this 🔥
This is a really great nuanced talk on the subject! I am really happy that you touched upon this subject. I am currently taking a class on the ethics of AI and it is fascinating how AI is already integrated in large aspects of life already. Due to the sheer volume of content on social media, deep learning algorithms are used to maximize watch time and engagement on these platforms. In my class we are reading The Chaos Machine by Max Fisher and it is pretty interesting. Anywho, keep up the great work and have a great day Bobby! Love these videos!
I think that AI is the first step of many and it will ultimately take many artists' jobs away because people think, why pay an artist when i can do it cheaper or even for free
just my humble opinion
It’s a possibility, but yes, that remains legal. It might just have a domino effect across many industries. I might be wrong, but I have my faith that it won’t come to that.
You are talking about concept art? Because if you do you have no clue of what concept art is, right now it's a problem on illustrators and graphic artists, but as far as I know even them do not worry so much
i don't think that i will come so far either, i stay positive, i think the dynamic of humans will find its way to stay human, even with the AI@@chiu-on-this
Thank you for this video. In such a maddness that ai creates, and how people are accepting it, by ignoring the violation of ethics and copyright law against the creators, makes me feel to be alone in this fight from time to time. But videos like this chear me up and give hope, that we can still make the world hear us and achieve a proper regulation
Also liked your theories at the end of the video. It definitely feels like a sci Fi pitch for a story (I'd love to read/ watch a conflict like that unfold) but at the same time I'm amazed and horrified of the possibilities of that happening for real increasing every year 😮
Congratulations on the new channel. I wonder what will happen once AI is training on mostly AI content. Will it be the same effect as photocopying a photocopy.
I’ve heard that it won’t be very good if it only has itself to source from
congrats on the new channel!!
Modern art podcast yay! Great pivot Bobby!
Great topic Bobby! love the name of the channel. Looking forward to hearing more from you.
Hi Bobby good luck on the new channel dude.
Hey, thanks so much!!
Here from your main channel :) looking forward to the interesting topics you’ll cover on here
thank you!!
just got here after ur vid gotten recommended to me, and I'd say I really like your approach and the way you explain your thoughts! will stick around to your future videos c: good luck on your new channel!
There's good and bad applications for AI, definitely. But AI "art" is such a corporate invention. And it does nothing but keep the human mind and creativity stuck in a loop of mediocrity because it only draws from datasets. Good art speaks to the human soul, whether people know it or not. And that's actually very important for human and societal evolution. I know it's lame to be all deep, but that's what art is. It's deep. And having messed with Midjourney and Diffusion.. the art I made looked fascinating but felt so hollow. Idk, it really caters to this new generation of instantly produced goods and people's superficiality. It's not a good path to be on, as a society. Not in the long run. We shouldn't settle with mediocrity or keep reliving the past.
AI applications made same way Blender was made.
You need to distinguish between 'art' and 'content.' Art may well speak to the human soul - but that's not where the money or volume is. an artist might pour their heart into a piece of music or a painting, working for months to produce a masterwork that moves people to tears. Meanwhile the artist next door is in a more realistic position: Churning out advertisements for toothpaste in the hope it'll pay enough to make ends meet. Art done for the sake of art and art done for the sake of business are very different things.
Great discussion about this today over on the LBX Discord today - so great to talk about this with other artists.
That was great, wasn’t it?
Just started watching, love the sound design!
Some of your points are really good, I personally prefer how your voice sounds normally
The argument that AI art is just advancement of society is like saying we could replace writers, financial advisors, CEO or even Presidents of countries? Artists have been historically one of the keys to developing culture and civilization. That’s why I believe Original art will always win out! In my former career in IT, advancement in tech is suppose to be a helper not a replacement for humanity. I’m pro tech but anti- tech companies that use it for selfish reasons. Thanks Bobby for always helpful and thoughtful opinions. 🫶🏼
WE HERE!! WE LIVE!!!
Instant sub! Love ya Bobby!
Thanks for the sub!
Great start! Really looking forward for new contents.👍
More to come!
Well done covering these important issues. You have my sub.
I wish you the best luck on this new chapter of your life Bobby
wooo first video let's get it going
Congratulations! Excellent opening video.
My best wishes for this new project. ❤
Let's goooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Good luck on the new channel :)
I'll follow you anywhere you go, haha! Thanks for being an inspiration, Chiu.
you're my favorite now :)
@@chiu-on-this Wow. Thank you 🤗🤩
Awesome first vid!
You haven't said much about AI. Looks like you were really thinking through how to respond appropriately. Very well said! I look forward to more of this.
Chiu on This! Liked and subbed up, loving the change up! 🚀
Appreciate it!
good luck and much success with this new channel. i 've been thinking about creating a new channel myself as well.
Go for it!
I really hope you keep doing those really nice interviews with people from the industry, already subbed, good luck on your new channel!
More to come!
Great video! I just wanted to say that I did think that the audio sounded a bit off at some points. Maybe you can play around with it a little more. Other than that I really enjoyed it and like how deep you went into the scenario of a possible world of unregulated AI. Looking forward to more vids : )
Art teacher here. Recently I heard a teen student say, "I hate real art, I hate real instrument (musical), because it takes too long to learn, its a pointless waste of time when I can do the same thing on my Mac." Scary. I'm always trying to create a viewpoint that is more about being a human than just making something easy.
Woo new show! 🎉
Hope you enjoyed it!
Really like the nuclear power comparison, Ai can do massive damage to our civilization, don't think it's worth it.
hope your new channel to take off mad fast you are a good teacher:)
Good luck with your new channel!
God luck with your new channel my friend!
I think AI should be regulated just like artificial flavoring on a package.
Perfect analogy 🤯
You cant force regulation globally
Or drones. Or guns. Or anything that messes with people’s lives
I lovethe analogy! Spot on.
Amazing video! I can't wait to see what will come from this channel 😀
Thank you! 😁
Chiu on this!!! LOL Instantly subbed!
Greetings from Mexico
"If people develop their art over years and then its taken and used by others in less time, fewer people will want to be artists"
based on what? If others' success determines whether or not you want to do art, you're not an artist.
Artists have, do, and will continue to create, regardless of the environment, circumstances, and fads of the day, period - as evidenced by the fact literally every single master painter and sculptor used the art of masters past to build their skills, in many instances those copies and their creators became far more well-known than the originator of the piece, especially in Renaissance Italy.
Just because the Da Vinci's, Michaelangelo's lived in a time where it was illegal to exhume and dissect humans to look at musculature, and it took several decades for them to earn their skills, do you think that the fact we have access to hundreds of millions of photos, and billions of man-hours of video, 3d models, applications showing every single facet of human experience for its recorded existence, that they wouldn't want to be artists because "we're not doing it the hard way"? We have reference - live and static - of every possible material, physiology, location, culture, and creation organic or otherwise, which is to say nothing of the facility we have to get tools, digital and physical with orders of magnitude less effort, and with that, what do we see?
Do we see fewer artists because it's so much easier to create art and copy other artists' styles? No, we have hundreds of millions of artists - many of whom very well may be better and more talented than Da Vinci or Giotto or Michaelangelo.
And really, is the existence of someone who "took your style" (which, by the way, you can't copyright) or someone who is "better" than you at art any reason not to practice and pursue such a noble craft? Decidedly not.
The only reason this argument exists is because we live in a construct that requires capital. If money weren't at stake, this wouldn't even be an issue, as evidenced by the fact that the main grievance you've presented is the lack of compensation - the irony is, in the very system that wouldn't give you compensation for someone taking your style, style itself is not able to be copyrighted.
In fact, the only content you could legally complain if someone stole, is the content you gave freely, on RUclips, showing people how to copy your style.
Of course there's a huge difference between stealing style, and outright stealing a piece or pieces of art, but there's a distinction. Love the video.
I think all this shows is how much of what makes our experience worth it is not about efficiency and speed, but actually doing things even though it's not the fastest or easiest way to do it. In my opinion, the ability to balance when we should prioritize speed and tech advance - like for medical purposes, for example - and when we should prioritize the experience itself - like slowly building up a piece of art - also shows us how much of the discussion should be about ethics and what are our parameters to measure our evolution itself instead of the technology, which in this case turns out to be AI.
We focus too much on the technology being the problem and rarely on why that tech turns out to be a problem to us in the first place. Caring for the people and things next to us and not manipulating people to earn money or status instead of only focusing on the more distant major problems would probably be a good starting point. Our daily actions and decisions are the starting point for the systems in our society, so that definitely is something important.
Since life is very complex and things are already happening, I understand why we worry about the technology itself, so I'm not saying this is something we shouldn't worry about - it's just something interesting to think.
I hope we can find a way to make the world a better place together even though it's definitely not a simple thing, but well, nothing is simple anyway. We should always remember our limitations and do the best we can being a human as well as other species do their best being themselves.
i love this new channel!
Wow. Subscribing. Thank you for your measured approach.
Yay for your new channel and more Chiu-puns! Looking forward to more vids :)
Wow Bobby, that was an excellent summary of AI and its problems. Can't wait for more content like this. ❤
Hey Bobby, good to see you! Glad to hear we're on the same page with this. The argument that artists are "gatekeepers" to art is trite and stupid. AI that "learns" a style that is wholly owned and created it's originator without compensation breaks every rule of law designed over the last 100 years to give the creator a chance to make a living from it.
In the future, I see art splitting into two camps: AI (artificial) art and human, handmade art. Personally I think, no matter how good it gets, it has an air of artificiality that will wear thin in coming years once the novelty has worn off. The novelty of social media has finally gone away, even though it took a decade or so. The "next big thing" won't take that long.
(Also, the entire time I've been listening I wondered if you used Adobe's AI audio tool, then you confessed to doing so! I've played with it myself and it's pretty cool. It does get a little roboty here and there.)
Like any tool, the benefits of AI depend on how it's applied by people. Let's hope that rationality wins out.
Hello I’m here for the new content and fresh start 🎉
Thanks for coming
We just need to stop referring to prompt based image generators as AI. AI encompasses a lot more, and it is a handy tool. Like your example with the audio, taking things out from a background, image stabilisation in video using software AI. That’s cool stuff, and is not the same thing and shouldn’t be talked about in the same breath where people type in request into a software and it makes something. We need to be specific about this, so people don’t bring up the non prompt based AI stuff. Because the issue here is the prompt based image generators, not eliminating mundane tasks no one wants to do.
In mid-2015, RUclips was bombarded with the success of prank channels with millions of views, because of this then RUclipsrs started to fake pranks. When the audience noticed it, the popularity of prank content ultimately died in popularity. Ai-generated content had the same effect. When you see a painting or any creative endeavor created by a human, there is an insane amount of empathy, admiration, and mimicry. We project ourselves on the conscious of this other person. Now if we start seeing movies, games, etc., created by Ai, no matter how good the quality is, there is this discomfort feeling of being ripped off, the value is not there anymore and all we think if someone pressing ctrl+good movie somewhere, the same way when a prank is fake.
Ai will be the nail in the coffin for the internet and the digital era. People might put their phones down and maybe talk to others in search of genuine interaction.
Hmmm… didn’t know about the prank channels you’re talking about.
@@chiu-on-this me neither.
@@chiu-on-this there is a good video about from SunnyV2 ruclips.net/video/gRZCT5XamfA/видео.html&ab_channel=SunnyV2
gran video, es muy valioso escuchar tu punto de vista, muchos artistas que vivimos en fuera de estados unidos tenemos los ojos puestos en como se desarrolla y hacia donde va.
Great content, continue pls!
Holy Shit!!! I was sketching and listening to your video over headset and when you suddenly changed the sound, I had a little jumpscare moment. It was like you were suddenly standing behind me in the dark room and now I need to calm my heart down again!
i like your new podcast/talks
Nice to meet you Bobby
Excellent video! New channel is off to a great start. I personally am pro-AI, or AI positive, I think the technology of machine learning and stable diffusion models is amazing overall. The ethical issues you mention are the main problem with the technology. I am confident that resolutions will evolve and as for AI art and the particular issues around that, concept artists in particular should be looking into how AI can be ethically used to enhance their process. AI companies should be looking into how they can ethically source data, i.e. pay for it. Hard anti-AI artists should continue their fight, while also considering how they can evolve their process in a market that likely won't ever be AI-free, or pure-human ever again. As usual, and you touched on this very poignantly, there is always a truth in the middle of any heated debate and that is where rationality and reasoning will eventually lead us. I was particularly shocked to hear that one anti-AI artist, who I will not name, did not have their work copyrighted. Not one piece?!? That's just bad business practice. On the other hand, I am surprised companies with lots of revenue haven't publicly contracted artists to train their AI, or at least as far as I know they haven't. I think it's likely we will look back on the moral panic around AI with a bit of humor in 10 years, as we always do anytime there is a moral panic. I mean, I'm still waiting for video games to turn me into a raving psycho and GMO corn to give me cancer and Dungeons and Dragons to turn me into a satan-worshipping pizza delivery boy.