I worked at one in So Cal from 04-07. Was glorified security. Had red and blues and everything. Still had to have a guard card and weapons permit. Even today there are NO CA recognized tribal police departments, none are recognized by CA POST. Yes tribes can make their own police department or tribal law enforcements, BUT if vehicles are taken off reservation land, with police wording, it can lead to impersonation issues. There are tribal police departments in CA but their officers have special certification through BIA to grant certain federal LE powers, meaning they can actually be called police, but still have no authority to enforce state laws. A few have MOUs with the county sheriff that grants state powers. But the state of CA as a whole does not certify any tribal agency, and the only one that is actually granted police powers while in CA is the Washoe Tribal Police in NV since they have tract land in CA. CPC and CVC have sections granting them powers and their vehicles emergency vehicle status. PL280 takes the LE duties away from the federal government and makes the local law enforcement the primary agency, meaning they handle ALL law enforcement and criminal issues, regardless if there is a tribal agency or not. The issue that use to be is there were no tribal criminal courts in CA, and hardly any BIA sworn law enforcement. So there was no where to take them or charge them. Can’t book into a county jail for federal Indian crimes and then hope that they get to the federal courthouse. That is where PL280 comes in, local law enforcement cites and arrests for state charges, not federal. Makes everything simple. No there are more tribal criminal courts, but the power is still limited when dealing with non-natives. In non-PL280 states, like Nevada, tribal police can cite and arrest non natives. They are state sworn peace officers, and attend the same POST academy. I was a deputy in Nevada for 10 years, it was way different than CA. I should have never left tribal, I would probably be making about 150 an hour by now and the 401k is, and was 200% with full medical and dental 100% paid for entire family. I was young and dumb when I left. I remember we were able to roll code at the casino but had to reduce as soon as we got on the main rain since it was county. Once we crossed back onto the res, lights went back on. Fun times.
@@alexchavez4978 yup. Was fun time. Pay was crap when I was there compared to what they make now. But was young and dumb and should have never left. Left to be a cop out of state.
Good information! I wanted to work at pechanga and wonder if I should still try down the road. I know that for San Diego, CA Sycuan is the closest to anything to what you mentioned. Unfortunately, like you stated, POST in CA hasn't recognize Tribal PDs yet, though to be hired, you have to have POST certification. I know their is a bill in the works to hopefully change it. So, working with a tribal department will keep your post active.
@@TheRecof that’s the issue. Without POST recognizing the agency, I doubt it keeps post active. I think they simply want people to have the certification for the training, but unless they become a reserve with a department the cert will lapse. I know Morongo has an actual tribal PD like Sycuan, and one of their new officers just graduated the RSO academy a couple weeks ago. And they had the chief there pinning the badge and in full uniform with a firearm. So they have a good relationship with the SO. Morongo also contracts with RSO to provide police services to the res. I think their police department has the BIA special commission. I know Syucan has BIA certification so they are federally sworn and have the ability with a MOU with SDSO to use the computer system. Pechanga was fun. I should have never left, it was 20 years ago and I was dumb. One of they guys I worked with when I was there JUST retired from there. And there are still two or three others that still work there from when I was there. So they must love it. It’s changed a lot there, now they can do their own training for guard card and firearms, and do CCW training which they require so you can carry off duty. Hopefully they will make the transition one day to “Police” but I don’t think they want to be federally certified.
I also don’t get how all the tribal vehicles are getting CA Exempt plates on the police vehicles. The only vehicles that a tribe can legally register with an Exempt plate is a fire department vehicle as long as it has a mutual aid agreement. It’s covered under DMV form 5050.
All over the country and especially in California tribal security or Tribal Police cannot detain non-indians off the reservation or off Indian property they would have to call law enforcement they can only detain individuals on Native American land. The legal precedent for Oliphant v. Suquamish Indian Tribe is that Indian tribal courts do not have criminal jurisdiction over non-Indians. This decision was based on the principle that tribal sovereignty does not extend to the prosecution of non-Indians. The Supreme Court held that tribal courts are limited to exercising jurisdiction over members of the tribe and non-Indians who have entered into consensual relationships with the tribe. This decision has had significant implications for tribal governments and their ability to prosecute crimes committed by non-Indians on tribal lands.
Good evening. I'm the director and chief of operations for Tribal Security & Constables. In N.C. we are working on a new proposal for the state and federal. To give power back Judah tribes.
I know the police departments in arizona tribal lands are recognized by the state of Arizona as peace officers, they even send you to the POST academies and maintain your certifications.
Tribal police in the United States are typically not recognized as peace officers by individual states like California because they are not employed by state or local governments. Tribal police forces are typically operated by Native American tribes and are responsible for enforcing tribal laws and maintaining order on tribal lands. As such, they do not have the same legal authority or jurisdiction as state or local police officers.The legal basis for this lack of recognition varies by state, but generally it is based on the principle of sovereign immunity. Sovereign immunity is a legal doctrine that protects Native American tribes from being sued or prosecuted by state governments. This means that tribal police officers do not have the same legal authority as state or local police officers and are not considered peace officers under state law.Additionally, tribal police forces often operate under their own tribal legal codes and regulations, which may differ from state laws. This further complicates the issue of recognition and cooperation between tribal police and state law enforcement agencies.Overall, the lack of recognition of tribal police as peace officers by states like California is based on the unique legal status of Native American tribes and the separate legal systems that govern tribal lands.
I don’t understand why so many people get so offended by the use of the word “Indian” when referring to Native Americans. As if it’s politically incorrect or something. Perhaps it is to some. I’ve worked on a reservation over a decade now. Most tribes in California call themselves “Indian”. In fact you’ll see that very word on most their flags and seals. Many in California will say “______ band of Mission Indians”. So can’t blame people much for using the word. I think context matters and as long as a person is being respectful I don’t see a big deal.
1:20 You misunderstand what Indios means, It means Black. Negro, Indios, Swarthy, Dusky, Tawny, Red (only after the 1800's), Mullatto & many many more are all names they labeled us, & most of which simply means Black. However This land was called one of the 3 India's (India Superior) Just as it was called one of the 3 Ethiopia's, Just as it also was once called Asia Major. People from other lands have had various names for this land since ancient times. However Amarukha is one that came from our words. Mostly in law you'll only see us referred to as Black or with the now Hijacked Native American then Black. 3:57 Idk if applys to security but The supreme court just passed a Extension to criminal activity by Non Tribal peoples on Tribal Lands.
San Manuel DPS used to be an awesome place to work. I don’t know if anything has changed to the positive or to the negative. The negative is they can fire you at any time for “disrespecting” a tribal member. The pro is you get great training, and the department is ran like a professional police agency.
I worked at one in So Cal from 04-07. Was glorified security. Had red and blues and everything. Still had to have a guard card and weapons permit.
Even today there are NO CA recognized tribal police departments, none are recognized by CA POST. Yes tribes can make their own police department or tribal law enforcements, BUT if vehicles are taken off reservation land, with police wording, it can lead to impersonation issues.
There are tribal police departments in CA but their officers have special certification through BIA to grant certain federal LE powers, meaning they can actually be called police, but still have no authority to enforce state laws. A few have MOUs with the county sheriff that grants state powers.
But the state of CA as a whole does not certify any tribal agency, and the only one that is actually granted police powers while in CA is the Washoe Tribal Police in NV since they have tract land in CA. CPC and CVC have sections granting them powers and their vehicles emergency vehicle status.
PL280 takes the LE duties away from the federal government and makes the local law enforcement the primary agency, meaning they handle ALL law enforcement and criminal issues, regardless if there is a tribal agency or not. The issue that use to be is there were no tribal criminal courts in CA, and hardly any BIA sworn law enforcement. So there was no where to take them or charge them. Can’t book into a county jail for federal Indian crimes and then hope that they get to the federal courthouse. That is where PL280 comes in, local law enforcement cites and arrests for state charges, not federal. Makes everything simple. No there are more tribal criminal courts, but the power is still limited when dealing with non-natives. In non-PL280 states, like Nevada, tribal police can cite and arrest non natives. They are state sworn peace officers, and attend the same POST academy. I was a deputy in Nevada for 10 years, it was way different than CA.
I should have never left tribal, I would probably be making about 150 an hour by now and the 401k is, and was 200% with full medical and dental 100% paid for entire family. I was young and dumb when I left.
I remember we were able to roll code at the casino but had to reduce as soon as we got on the main rain since it was county. Once we crossed back onto the res, lights went back on. Fun times.
Judging by your name I bet you were a Ranger at Pechanga.
@@alexchavez4978 yup. Was fun time. Pay was crap when I was there compared to what they make now. But was young and dumb and should have never left. Left to be a cop out of state.
Good information! I wanted to work at pechanga and wonder if I should still try down the road. I know that for San Diego, CA Sycuan is the closest to anything to what you mentioned. Unfortunately, like you stated, POST in CA hasn't recognize Tribal PDs yet, though to be hired, you have to have POST certification. I know their is a bill in the works to hopefully change it. So, working with a tribal department will keep your post active.
@@TheRecof that’s the issue. Without POST recognizing the agency, I doubt it keeps post active. I think they simply want people to have the certification for the training, but unless they become a reserve with a department the cert will lapse.
I know Morongo has an actual tribal PD like Sycuan, and one of their new officers just graduated the RSO academy a couple weeks ago. And they had the chief there pinning the badge and in full uniform with a firearm. So they have a good relationship with the SO. Morongo also contracts with RSO to provide police services to the res. I think their police department has the BIA special commission.
I know Syucan has BIA certification so they are federally sworn and have the ability with a MOU with SDSO to use the computer system.
Pechanga was fun. I should have never left, it was 20 years ago and I was dumb.
One of they guys I worked with when I was there JUST retired from there. And there are still two or three others that still work there from when I was there. So they must love it.
It’s changed a lot there, now they can do their own training for guard card and firearms, and do CCW training which they require so you can carry off duty. Hopefully they will make the transition one day to “Police” but I don’t think they want to be federally certified.
I also don’t get how all the tribal vehicles are getting CA Exempt plates on the police vehicles. The only vehicles that a tribe can legally register with an Exempt plate is a fire department vehicle as long as it has a mutual aid agreement. It’s covered under DMV form 5050.
All over the country and especially in California tribal security or Tribal Police cannot detain non-indians off the reservation or off Indian property they would have to call law enforcement they can only detain individuals on Native American land.
The legal precedent for Oliphant v. Suquamish Indian Tribe is that Indian tribal courts do not have criminal jurisdiction over non-Indians. This decision was based on the principle that tribal sovereignty does not extend to the prosecution of non-Indians. The Supreme Court held that tribal courts are limited to exercising jurisdiction over members of the tribe and non-Indians who have entered into consensual relationships with the tribe. This decision has had significant implications for tribal governments and their ability to prosecute crimes committed by non-Indians on tribal lands.
Good evening. I'm the director and chief of operations for Tribal Security & Constables. In N.C. we are working on a new proposal for the state and federal. To give power back Judah tribes.
Thank you for visiting this video. Interesting information you have.
Any Public Safety or Law Enforcement Agency Tribes or Private should be respected along that department is professional.
I know the police departments in arizona tribal lands are recognized by the state of Arizona as peace officers, they even send you to the POST academies and maintain your certifications.
Definitely
Cool video! I've actually looked into working casino security but I didn't think it would be for me.
Glad it was helpful!
Tribal police in the United States are typically not recognized as peace officers by individual states like California because they are not employed by state or local governments. Tribal police forces are typically operated by Native American tribes and are responsible for enforcing tribal laws and maintaining order on tribal lands. As such, they do not have the same legal authority or jurisdiction as state or local police officers.The legal basis for this lack of recognition varies by state, but generally it is based on the principle of sovereign immunity. Sovereign immunity is a legal doctrine that protects Native American tribes from being sued or prosecuted by state governments. This means that tribal police officers do not have the same legal authority as state or local police officers and are not considered peace officers under state law.Additionally, tribal police forces often operate under their own tribal legal codes and regulations, which may differ from state laws. This further complicates the issue of recognition and cooperation between tribal police and state law enforcement agencies.Overall, the lack of recognition of tribal police as peace officers by states like California is based on the unique legal status of Native American tribes and the separate legal systems that govern tribal lands.
I don’t understand why so many people get so offended by the use of the word “Indian” when referring to Native Americans. As if it’s politically incorrect or something. Perhaps it is to some.
I’ve worked on a reservation over a decade now. Most tribes in California call themselves “Indian”. In fact you’ll see that very word on most their flags and seals. Many in California will say “______ band of Mission Indians”. So can’t blame people much for using the word. I think context matters and as long as a person is being respectful I don’t see a big deal.
1:20 You misunderstand what Indios means, It means Black. Negro, Indios, Swarthy, Dusky, Tawny, Red (only after the 1800's), Mullatto & many many more are all names they labeled us, & most of which simply means Black. However This land was called one of the 3 India's (India Superior) Just as it was called one of the 3 Ethiopia's, Just as it also was once called Asia Major. People from other lands have had various names for this land since ancient times. However Amarukha is one that came from our words. Mostly in law you'll only see us referred to as Black or with the now Hijacked Native American then Black. 3:57 Idk if applys to security but The supreme court just passed a Extension to criminal activity by Non Tribal peoples on Tribal Lands.
Solid information!
Love this video by the way. Im interested in working at a casino like San manuel; anything that you know about them thats good
San Manuel DPS used to be an awesome place to work. I don’t know if anything has changed to the positive or to the negative. The negative is they can fire you at any time for “disrespecting” a tribal member. The pro is you get great training, and the department is ran like a professional police agency.
@@crimbullet I appreciate it thank you
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