What's the Difference Between D7 and D dominant 7?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- My next video is on why I said "Dorian is a major scale with a b3 and b6." You guys are asking all the right questions, I'm so excited you like this nerd stuff.
Short answer: music theory grammar.
Long answer: I know why you all think it's the minor scale with a raised 6th. Hang on, we'll talk about it soon, my nerds.
The questions in this video came from my student via our one-on-one guitar zoom lesson. We had a fascinating discussion, and I wanted to share that conversation on RUclips. It's a really interesting way to look at modes, and the history of mixolydian mode is legit.
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"Music theory goes through great lengths to avoid logic" I love this!
Edit: I don't know why RUclips suggested this video out of the blue, but you have a new subscriber 🙂
I'm glad you're here! I just relaunched my channel, so I'm glad you found this video. If you've got any guitar or theory questions, ask away! Happy to make content for subscribers.
@@rayl6901 so..what is so illogical about music theory...except the misquoted garbled BS so many who think they learned something spout? It's mostly simple arithmetic. The only illogical thing is basing everything in the key of C instead of the key of A. I'm thinking as usual, all women know nothing about logic so they spew nonsense like that. Lets just brand anything beyond 3rd grade level knowledge as illogical, as it's just too complicated to bother your pretty little head about.
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Guitar questions.... cool :)
Sooooo, which is better to bang people over the head with in a bar brawl? Is it the Les Paul for it's sheer weight and impact, or a Strat for it's higher swing speed? Certainly not a D28 or anything like that, right?
D dominant 7 implies the existence of D submissive 7.
Someone had to say it. It was youuuuuuuuu
Lol
Not really, just that dominant 7 wants there to be
That eleven and a half minutes was the most enjoyable amount of time I have ever spent watching a mode/scale tut!! You are awesome, and now I'm a new OLD fan!!
Hey thank you! Welcome, I'm glad you subbed. I'm new to RUclips, so if you've got any questions just ask away, more than happy to take questions from subscribers!
@@LessonsWithLindy I have to agree with the big dog - your video just popped in my recommendations and it was the most enjoyable lesson I've encountered here on YT. I'm trying to expand my horizons and undo some of the damage I've incurred in my 40+ years of self-taught ignorance. Welcome to YT and I hope you stick around a while - I might actually learn something...!
@@bigdogmurphy obviously you thinking modes need mentioning shows how little you know about music theory.
@@5400bowen Obviously, your superiority complex is showing.
@@bigdogmurphy and with good reason. 160 IQ. And your juvenile jealousy is showing!
Thanks for that unique insight and entertaining presentation. Love your great sense of humor. I’m a fan, and now a subscriber.
Great video! 😂 and I think farming your students’ questions absolutely should be a great resource for content!
I intend to keep doing it, too :)
As someone who wasn't able to absorb theory in a more concrete way due to trauma thank you for explaining this this way. I've been playing for 20 years and I understand theory but I didn't develop the language behind it till recently.
This was a badass lesson...Great work !
Just had this pop up, and this is such an amazing lesson! You're such a natural teacher, loved the vampire joke at 3:15, and love the refreshing take on pulling scales from chords! I remember my early days of playing and learning theory reading people arguing for DAYS about different scales lol
Thank you... Lots of good guitar players do it right but might not know the theory and naming... Due to our egos...!! Thanks again Cheers!! It helps communication with other musicians.
it's okay to not know something. May be a ego thing, but sometimes people don't have access to educational opportunities. Either way, I'm glad you enjoyed this! If you've got any questions about music theory or guitar, just ask away. I'm happy to make lessons from real subscriber questions
@@LessonsWithLindy By the bye; I just saw two 6'-5" guys in a hardware store. I doubt they had what Your looking for. & two nuns. Sounds like the intro of a joke(2 nuns walk into a hardware store... Someone has a punchline).
Wow! I've been using modes for years and had no idea about this history. Thank you for this lesson! Love your goofy video style. 😅
I love, love, LOVE getting more than I bargained for, thinking I was just going to get a quick, straight up guitar thing. Such a pleasant surprise: usable guitar theory, an entertaining Western music history lesson, punctuated throughout with excellent humor! Amazing what you packed into eleven & a half minutes here--this was just brilliant & absolutely made my day--thanks so much!
Thanks!! What an awesome video. Love the historical context (esp because the theory itself wasn’t new to me). Also love the double entendres! Your humor makes this lesson really fun. 👍👍
Nice! Even if you knew these concepts and knew the theory, it's cool to look at the history. Haha, it's nice to review things you know from time to time. Glad you enjoyed!
Absolutely!! And unfortunately now I’m also sad to not be a vampire.
I love the way you explain this. I'm now a fan.
Glad you subbed! Welcome! I'm new to youtube, so if you've got a question about theory or guitar, just drop it in a comment. Glad to make a vid from your questions.
@@LessonsWithLindy U R a "Force" (I reckon).
Love that guitar snd the art deco truss rod cover!!
I remember Mixolydian from my mountain dulcimer days, best mode!!
I really like these explorations into the fine detail of music. Great video.
glad it's helpful! Many more videos to come, if you have a lesson request, just ask!
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fantastic! I'm very smarg.
OK... pretty fun video and editing. Not sure I would explain a D dominant 7 that way, but that's OK too. Thanks Lindy.
Music theory compares things back to the major scale. My comparison confused a lot of people so I'm making a video explaining this concept next. It's pretty interesting, actually!
@@LessonsWithLindy I like starting with the Major Scale because a lot of music is in the Ionian mode. Minor is also very compelling and popular. It's variations to these two scales that make music come alive. We can describe them as different modes and we can describe them as variations to the major and minor scales. We can look at music in different ways, ways that make sense in our minds, and that's good.
I’m loving this. A beautiful young lady actually making the modes interesting😊
Superb explanation and great humour too. New subscriber.
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Thank you for this because I literally have thought I was missing somethin for the longest time 😂thank you thank you
happy to help! I'm glad this filled in some of the gaps
Holy shit that actually made sense to me!?
I bet Her tonic is "C", but that's water under the bridge(He-he).
So well done!
Love that geetar, too! [btw] Black & Gold 335 style, yes please.
You're the most entertaining guitar tutor I have come across in all my years trawling this oft-pretentious landscape
I've been a real, in-person instructor for a looooooong time. There's a difference when you do this professionally, and then come to RUclips second. :) I'm really glad you guys like my videos.
Very well explained and very useful :)
hell yeah! If you ever have any lesson requests, let me know
@@LessonsWithLindy Thank you so much! Let me think about some of the many things I would like, and I'll tell you. Thanks again :)
Gee a Great Treat . . . . . Thank you Lindy.
Thanks for the history lesson; _tres cool_. Now to study the connections between the mixolydian, pentatonic and blues scales...
yeah, they're all related, but also all so different. Music is weird. Context is complicated.
Thanks. You make me smile.
glad you had fun here! All I want is for more people to laugh about music theory.
Best guitar lesson ever! On many levels!
You are one funny lassie. Subbed.
I love the history you included, it gives me a deeper understanding on how things derive from the dark ages! I think it was called dark ages because very little about that era came to light, very little writing about it! India had a 23 note sequence in an octave.
Glad this deepened your understanding! Yeah, this stuff is really cool when it's put into context. It's cool to think of it in modern day terms, but it's also really captivating to view it from the Renaissance era too.
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AWESOME!!!!
Good Lord! Came here for a succinct explanation to give to my students about "why it's called Dominant 7", and got an amazing backstory. Superbly done! For what it's worth, I've been using modal theory and modal shapes on guitar for about 45 years. They're the main reason I'm able to improvise so easily and in tune. Also, for what it's worth, I'm not a vampire.
Instant sub. You're a blast 😄
You are unique, thx for the entertainment Lindy and have a great day!
glad this helped
Interesting stuff!
I love music theory and Lindy, you are the Goddess of Toneality.
I also love music theory, but I don't know if I'm a goddess. I'm a stupid guitar player who can't really do math so well. But still, I'm glad you enjoyed!
Ok. Firstly I thought you were another Lindy, a drummer friend of mine. Which is why I was curious that she would be explaining 7th chords on guitar. After I realised my mistake, I was curious to hear what the explanation was going to be, given it’s kinda a one word answer. But I loved that history stuff. Mixolydian has been my comfort zone before I knew what it was, I just liked the sound of the flattened seventh. Then to discover it was kinda the OG of western formal music was fascinating, and to hear aeolian and Ionian were so much newer! I always assumed the modes were fairly contemporary. Fascinating.
okay, firstly i want to meet your drummer friend Lindy. I bet she's cool as hell. Secondly, haha yeah, I was trying to pull people in with a one-word answer, and then get you guys to stay for a 10 minute history lesson. I'm very glad you watched! Thanks for taking a look at my channel. I'm making more of these theory lessons this summer!
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LOVED this video, new watcher, but now subscriber, wish i could have found you before my hand surgeries , but loyal now
hey hey, I hope you stay! We're going to talk a lot about theory, so you won't need your hands for that. Just conceptual stuff. Every now and again I'll drop a technique video, but you'll have plenty of theory concepts to cover here with me
@@LessonsWithLindy not going anywhere i am in
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yeah so i'm going to be learning all my theory from this channel from now on
Thanks for the clarification. Very interesting lesson.
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It’s a minor 7th note that makes the chord (as apposed to a major 7th note)
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Ha I’m persuaded to get all myxolidian again!
I encourage this
Yes, Lindy.
Love your teaching style! I was a music major in college, but I switched my focus due to the stuffy nature of the professors.
Nooooo having good teachers makes all the difference!
Thank you Lidy, you explained this way better than my theory prof. I think I shall join the ranks of your admirererers. Sorry, couldn't quite work that start button.
Dominant seventh chords are often built on the fifth scale degree (or dominant) of a key. For instance, in the C major scale, G is the fifth note of the scale, and the seventh chord built on G is the dominant seventh chord.
Yes, dominant is actually going off the V degree of a key, you nailed it. Gregorian Modes weren't thinking that way, but this is the modern and most common way to think of it present day.
@@LessonsWithLindy I know.
@wijk89 would you Lindy mind explaining that in more detail, or differently. Not getting the connection between the fifth note and dominant seventh chord.
@@snotpu A dominant seventh chord consists of the dominant triad (fifth note of the scale is the root of the dominant chord) and an added note a minor seventh above the root. For example, the dominant seventh chord in C major is G-B-D-F.
Pretty cool, but I have a quibble. Giles Farnaby and Thomas Tallis were using a form of key signature and major and minor scales in the 1500s
yes this is called square notation. It's not organized how modern music is though, and it's centered around different concepts. They could write down the things they were singing, but it's not centered around diatonic like modern music is.
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Very simple way to remember Mixolydian is that it simply stars on the very familiar second position (or 3rd depending where you start it) of the Minor Pentatonic scale. There are a couple of more simple notes you can choose to add if you want to. Since it is a Major mode, it will have 7 notes vs. penta is 5. Think of it like this- it's simply the same pentatonic shape you already know, but you are MIXing things up a bit. Start on that second shape (on D in this case) and optionally add 2 more notes on the A and D open strings- you add a G and C which are simply semi-tones up on the A and D strings respectively. It may seem confusing at first but it is actually very, very simple. That is why it seems tricky- it's simplicity makes it elusive.
Enjoying this so far. To really get a taste of "Gregorian modal" styles listen to some Gabrieli Brass music. It's modal, later than the strictly vocal stuff, but strictly based upon certain church modes. The great reason to listen to this stuff is the trumpets and trombones are really clear and hit intervals pretty accurately.
When I teach this stuff I start with the DORIAN mode because I want jazz trombone students to use that mode for their minor licks and immediately react when the see ii - V - I progressions. The Rameau thing is pretty insightful, frankly the whole group of strictly "classical" types like Hayden, Rameau, Mozart all reflect this attempt to systematize what would have been the earlier systems like counterpoint and modal music.
For jazz they are going to have to go beyond modes and also have PENTATONIC mastery, and understand Blues Scale inserted transition notes. All this will imbue the licks you wind up having in your bag of tricks. I also try to impress upon students to understand the TRITONE portion of dominant chord creation. So, I point out to them an F and a B will outline a G7 really well with the lowered 7 and 3rd. They resolve two ways inward or outward - outward is a straight move to E and C. Inward is a resolution to F# and A#, so this resolves to an F# major chord, and that, too, is a tritone away from C. For playing backing chords on a keyboard the F, B, E (tritone, P4) type set of three is very useful.
You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking that Lindy has a gorgeous voice :chuckles:
Could you make a video on the modes? I kinda get it, but not really so it would be helpful.
I already knew most of that, having played blues and modal jazz ever since.
But I really enjoyed your fresh, intelligent, hilarious kind of presentation! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Btw: how is music not black & white? Maybe not for a guitarist, but I always have only b&w keys in front of me. 🙃
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Hey hey! Nice to see you on here.
Very, very interesting. So when we play the fifth chord of a scale as dominant 7th we are adding a note that is not in the root scale because we have actually switched from the Ionian mode to the mixalydian mode. Is that correct?
In some instances, yes, this will be correct. Mixolydian mode can be used to construct chord progressions, this is absolutely a valid through process.
There will be times this V7 chord appears, but there's another composition technique happening, it really depends on context.
Where have you been finding, all these years, Lindy!?
Fascinating! Okay, have a naive question. Toward the end you mentioned a student might ask if the dominant was related to the major scale. I have that same question but I would frame it differently. The progressions you played, aside from the "quality" of the chords, were, in fact, relate to I. The chords were clearly based on the I, IV, and V degrees. And, unless there is some pedantic thing I am missing (please please tell me) then in fact, yes, the "framework" within which we are thinking is still rooted on the I, presumably Ionian, presumably, the MAJOR scale. Is the "root" of this progression a separate concern than the "Major" mode of this progression?
FWIW, the reason this question ^^ comes to mind in a noob such as myself is because ... to me, it looks like you're changing keys on every chord. My dilemma isn't really major or mode related at all. Its really more a "panic" given the expectation that I can change keys with every chord. If that is the case, then the rules I currently follow are flawed -- because normally, to play a note outside the tonality I've selected "needs to be important and intentional". But, if anyone anywhere can simply play any chord and then play the mode associated with that chord ... help me please! Make it make sense! Does one figure this stuff out through "happy accidents" or is there a methodical way to proceed through this uncanny valley?!
I do take respite in knowing that I still see I, IV, and V in the root ... but what I don't understand is "how far does this go". Where are the natural limits? Why does it work that I can keep modulating, but root-wise, stay in the same key and still feel home on "1" at the end of the day.
Awesome and hilarious. Instant 😊
Thank you!
If Dorian has a minor third, how is it major. Thanks for any feedback.
It's not major, it's considered in the minor group of scales. I compared it back to the major scale, which is a very modern way to think.
"Dorian is a flat 3 and a flat 7." Compared to what? Compared to the major scale.
@ 1:53, very witty logic observation. Then there's Super Tramp's "Logical" song(He-he).
Thanks for clearing that out! That was so well explained and that's something that I've been wondering for years. I just have one tiny comment....when you said that the Dorian scale is a major scale with a flat 3 and flat 7 at 2:53 that made me wince lol.
I hear what you are saying by "major scale", as I understand that in this particular context you are referring to the fact that it's the intervals of the C major scale that you just shift to the 2nd degree of the scale (D) to get the Dorian mode..same intervals, just in a different order.
However, since the Dorian mode is also a scale itself, it seems incorrect or confusing to say that it's "a major scale with a flat 3rd". It's not. The Dorian mode is a minor scale precisely because it has a flat 3rd, and also because in the major scale, the chord triad for the second degree (D dorian if we're in C Major) is minor (D F A).
And, as written on Wikipedia:
"The modern Dorian mode is equivalent to the natural minor scale (or the Aeolian mode) but with a major sixth. The modern Dorian mode resembles the Greek Phrygian harmonia in the diatonic genus. It is also equivalent to the ascending melodic minor scale with a minor seventh." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_mode#:~:text=The%20modern%20Dorian%20mode%20is,scale%20with%20a%20minor%20seventh.
So I don't think it's correct to say "this is a major scale with a b3, b7". What distinguishes the Dorian mode from other minor scales is the major sixth, not the b3 b7.
Now, maybe you have a valid reason to refer to the Dorian mode a "major scale with a b3, b7" that I am not aware of. I am more than happy to be corrected and I'd actually be very interested to learn something new here. It's just that I've always been told that what makes a scale major or minor is the 3rd, and while I've been using and referring to this concept for years, it's the first time I am hearing somebody speaking of a major scale with a b3. :)
Nevertheless, your explanation on the dominant chords and the history of the Mixolydian mode were crystal clear and very insightful. Great video. Thanks very much for that ! :)
Music theory compares modes back to the major scale. This is a standard procedure in theory. I'm making this my next video as many, many people got confused when I said that. I'll explain how this works real soon. Hang tight! I understand why it's causing confusion.
@@LessonsWithLindy Ok in that case that makes sense if modes are compared back to the major scale. Can't wait to watch your video on the subject! :)
I'm struggling to decide which is more irresistible: the black-clad solid-body angel with the beautiful voice or the black-clad hollow-body D'Angelico with the beautiful voice.
Which model is the latter?
The mixolydian scale has always been a party animal
Self taught. Thank you.
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I literally have been asking myself this question, Pourquoi dominant? Which is strange because I don’t know the answer, so why did I keep asking myself? Thank goodness fate served up your video to free me from my prison.
Glad this video found you! keep asking those great questions
It's the "avoiding logic" that has always been the problem for me. I'm not comfortable thinking modally.
I can always find the tonic when required however.
Medieval blues band leader: The 8th Gregorian Mode in E boys. And a one, and a two, and a three...
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The difference is.... you don't have to look where to put your fingers when playing D7 but you do playing dominant D7.
I came here, pitchfork in hand, but was pleasantly surprised to find the truth.
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@@LessonsWithLindy It did for me! Did me a big 'huh?' when I read the title... then a big 'ahhh' after I clicked.
3:24 Lydian dominant
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I didn’t understand any of that but I like the D’Angelico. I’m going to Sweetwater now.
So to you ionian is THE major scale, and aeolian THE minor scale? I've always thouhgt of lydian and mixolydian as major scales as well (major third); and of dorian and phrygian as the two other minor scales (minor third).
I get what you're saying though; nice video. Good luck!
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I love your humour.
Keep on rockin'.
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Side note: I figured out where the tonic was when I was 14 😅
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7:30 in and im staying door (for) the comedy! 😂
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It depends on function.. there are 3 major chords in major scale harmony.. Major/Lydian/Mixolydian ..
we compare every mode back to the major scale. Even if it's a minor mode. Phrygian, compared to the major scale, is a b2, b3, b6, and b7. That's the standard way to think of it.
But yes, you're right, those 3 are the major modes.
@@LessonsWithLindy I was referring to when you said a D chord comes for the D major scale. That’s true but if you encounter a D major chord in say the key of A .. as the IV you’ll probably find more success if you use the notes of the key rather than switching to the major scale of the chord that’s not the tonal center.
Out in the wild the dominant 7 cord is careful not to be too happy so, it plays it cool, it does not wear it's heart on it's sleeve like the Major 7 chord. When Chords Attack🤣🤣🤣
I don't understand the difference between modes and scales so I don't know what to do when someone tells me to think "modally".
ooh I could do an hour lecture on this. This is a really, really good question, and the answer can get deep. There's a couple different ways to connect all these concepts, maybe I'll make a lesson on this one. Good question!
@@LessonsWithLindy That's why I asked - I was hoping for a new video on the issue. :)
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Music is only black and white when your playing piano 😜
this guy gets it
NICE to see a lady guitarist geeking out on music theory! \m/
Isn’t Dorian a minor scale?
Yes. Why do you ask?
Forgive me, you said it was a Major with a flat 3 and flat 7, which of course is another way of saying it's a minor with a raised 6th. Loved t the video x
When trying to understand modes, I think of the Mixolydian as a major scale because the third is a major third. Do I flunk?🤔
I kind of get Gregorian logic. In my mind there is only one rule for music - if it sounds good it is good.
Please can ads all be like that anymore
AOL dominant 7th cord. LOL😊
I am free to invent my on😮
hell yeah, you can do whatever you want. Just because this is how other centuries organized music, doesn't mean you have to do it this way. You can create however you like.
I know what to do with the tonic, add gin.
I have a good 20 YT subscriptions to music theory, and as many to guitar lesson channels.
Why have I never heard of you before today???
Music theory and laughs.
I'm new on youtube! I've been teaching 60 second guitar lessons on Tiktok and Instagram. I'm now adding longer form lessons here on RUclips. Hope to see you around more! If you've got any music theory or guitar questions, drop them in a comment.
Crap, I had NO idea there is a "Dominant" scale... Dominant 7 makes SO much more sense now. And.... CRAP.... I had no idea that the Dominant 7 chord comes out of the Mixolydian scale. Very cool.OK, but now I have an important, serious question: where are we going to find you a vampire to "bleep"?
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@@LessonsWithLindy OK, you're going to have to tell us when you start "dating" this vampire, because.... since vampires can live for 100s of years, I figure that after one sexy nibble, you might start calling the Gregorian scale the "major" scale.... we'll be totally confused.
Yeah, logic doesn’t seem to apply to naming chords, as in “why is the b7 chord “dominant” and not M7?” If I was a 5th century vampire I would find the person/group making that decision and remove all the blood from their bodies, eat a box of Tic Tacs, then call you collect, the suggestion which only supports proof of my advanced age 💀.
Thanks for the lesson, for matching your shoulder strap to your eyes (am I the only one that noticed?) and for adding some light to the day.
P.S. That major scale blues was the least bluesy blues EVER. Pat Boone blues. Sweater over the shoulder blues. “My 401K is falling” blues.
@@mightyluv I’m going to write a song with 12 bars with a Major scale called the Pat Boone Blues .
Thanks for the inspiration! 😉
@@kellykent131 I live to inspire others to greatness.
Sounds a little Rock-a-billy. From Major scale...
I learned music theory before it was silly.
I just don't subscribe on the FIRST video. Who does that?! It's crazy, right?
Well, I did this time!
I'm glad to have ya! Welcome!
Why not tell your students that dominant chords function as the V chord and that's why it's called dominant and why D7 is based in the G major scale. Also, the quality of Blues comes from the superposition of minor scales over major (ok, dominant) harmony.
One says “Ugh, this sucks”, and the other says “GD, why me?” It depends on context, that’s the difference.
11 min and no word on why it is called "dominant". Hint: What does it dominate?