Thanks H R L fantastic footage .ive watched all your uploads and I’ve got to say what a fantastic jockey Pat Eddery was ,I’ve underrated him for years I thought he was a good jockey I now know he was right out of the top draw
Horsetrader is now available as an audio book. (Listened to twice already!) Epic book that takes you back to the best of times and gives so much detail and background.
Simple economics and the ridiculous prize money on offer in British racing then meant Mr Sangster had no choice other than to reduce massively his involvement. A true sportsman a man of real class.
70s 80s 90s the best era of flat and jumps best jockey trainer combos especially for me cecil and cauthen. turtle island a great winner of the irish 2000g .
@@frankschlanker you could have a list of legends Cecil cauthen Stoute Swinburn Hern Carson Tree eddery Cumani Cochrane/ detorri Cole Munro Hardwood Starkey Pipe scudamore Nicholson Dunwoody Endless and best horses . Rarely go racing now but in 80s/90s I used to go about 70-80 meetings a year
@@frankschlanker good combo with sheikh Hamdan These combos has those colours always stuck with Cecil cauthen sheikh Mohammad Stoute Swinburn aga khan Hardwood Starkey Khaled Abdullah Eddery sangster/Abdullah Piggott whoever offered most money colours 😏
I honestly think El Gran Senor would have been an all time great if it wasn't for injury. Won the greatest 2000 guineas in history and should have won the Derby.
Since I’ve sat on a good portion of these and I know the Opinions of the Lads in the Yard. Here’s my two pennies worth. Joint 1st El Gran Senor- Golden Fleece ( the Lads that knew, put him nearly in the same class as Nijinsky) 3rd Alleged 4th The Minstrel 5thSaddlers Wells 6th Assert 7th Caerleon 8th Storm Bird 9th Rodrigo de Triano 10th Thatching
@@beddau4ever i remember sitting in the Tack Room in Ballydoyle one day in the Autumn of 85 with Johnny Brabson, Jerry Gallagher, Tom O‘Gorman and Stony Burke and talking about old times. The talk was about the merits of Sir Ivor and Nijinsky. The Lads agreed that Lester was wrong and Nijinsky was the better Horse.Then Stony Burke said that he thought Golden Fleece was in Nijinskys class and the others agreed.
@@Nijinsky26 love that! It was such a shame he never fulfilled his huge potential. Its the first Derby I had on video tape and ive still never seen a better Winner of the Derby since then.
@@beddau4ever Golden Fleece was a very tall, big Horse and not an easy Ride in the morning. He didn’t have a bad temperament, but he was as agile and quick as a small Horse. He could whip round and leave you sitting mid air without a Horse under you.
You might have thought so. Golden fleece was awesome. But he was a 12f horse, maybe 10f too. But El Gran Senor won the great 2000 Guineas, and was a brilliant 12f horse. So his Versatility probably gives him the edge. And the Senor beat superior horses. But Golden fleece was imperious at 12f and they never got to the bottom of him.
My ten would have been 10, storm bird , 9 lomond ,8 detroit ,7 the minstrel 6, assert ,5 careleon, 4 sadlers Wells, 3 alleged, 2 el gran senor senor, 1 golden fleece ❤
Ah true but I think he had a share in him didn't golden fleece have the same colours as Kings Lake at the start of his career? Correct me if I'm wrong again 😂👍
@@HorseRacingLegends very true At the end it's was basically turtle island and Rodrigo de triano at the mile. But always loved the sangster colours. Peter chapel hyam had some great 2 year olds with those colours but ok for middle distance horses, I still liked el gran senor pat didn't do him justice in the big one
All good times. Wish we could relive them all again……
Thanks H R L fantastic footage .ive watched all your uploads and I’ve got to say what a fantastic jockey Pat Eddery was ,I’ve underrated him for years I thought he was a good jockey I now know he was right out of the top draw
Yes I agree he was World Class from Start to Finish.Glad you enjoyed it.
Loved those times in racing. A must read is the book about Robert Sangster titled HORSETRADER. 👍
I’ll look in that.Thank you so much.
Horsetrader is now available as an audio book. (Listened to twice already!) Epic book that takes you back to the best of times and gives so much detail and background.
Simple economics and the ridiculous prize money on offer in British racing then meant Mr Sangster had no choice other than to reduce massively his involvement. A true sportsman a man of real class.
70s 80s 90s the best era of flat and jumps best jockey trainer combos especially for me cecil and cauthen. turtle island a great winner of the irish 2000g .
totally agree the depth of top jockeys and trainers was something else
@@frankschlanker you could have a list of legends
Cecil cauthen
Stoute Swinburn
Hern Carson
Tree eddery
Cumani Cochrane/ detorri
Cole Munro
Hardwood Starkey
Pipe scudamore
Nicholson Dunwoody
Endless and best horses .
Rarely go racing now but in 80s/90s I used to go about 70-80 meetings a year
@@DFUK83Great Combinations there.
@@DFUK83 Hern and Carson that's what I was brought up to follow
@@frankschlanker good combo with sheikh Hamdan
These combos has those colours always stuck with
Cecil cauthen sheikh Mohammad
Stoute Swinburn aga khan
Hardwood Starkey Khaled Abdullah
Eddery sangster/Abdullah
Piggott whoever offered most money colours 😏
I honestly think El Gran Senor would have been an all time great if it wasn't for injury. Won the greatest 2000 guineas in history and should have won the Derby.
I rate it equal best 2000 with Brigadier Gerard.
@HorseRacingLegends Yes, a great race. Mill Reef and My Swallow.
Since I’ve sat on a good portion of these and I know the Opinions of the Lads in the Yard. Here’s my two pennies worth.
Joint 1st El Gran Senor- Golden Fleece ( the Lads that knew, put him nearly in the same class as Nijinsky)
3rd Alleged 4th The Minstrel 5thSaddlers Wells 6th Assert 7th Caerleon 8th Storm Bird 9th Rodrigo de Triano 10th Thatching
always felt Golden Fleece was going to be the greatest of them all. His speed was amazing. Pure class.
@@beddau4ever i remember sitting in the Tack Room in Ballydoyle one day in the Autumn of 85 with Johnny Brabson, Jerry Gallagher, Tom O‘Gorman and Stony Burke and talking about old times. The talk was about the merits of Sir Ivor and Nijinsky. The Lads agreed that Lester was wrong and Nijinsky was the better Horse.Then Stony Burke said that he thought Golden Fleece was in Nijinskys class and the others agreed.
@@Nijinsky26 love that! It was such a shame he never fulfilled his huge potential. Its the first Derby I had on video tape and ive still never seen a better Winner of the Derby since then.
@@beddau4ever Golden Fleece was a very tall, big Horse and not an easy Ride in the morning. He didn’t have a bad temperament, but he was as agile and quick as a small Horse. He could whip round and leave you sitting mid air without a Horse under you.
@Nijinsky26 Another Great story from you Nijinsky26.Thank you so much.
fantastic
Thank you so much 😀
Would have thought Golden Fleece would have been his No 1. As he was unbeaten and won the derby in record time.
It’s only an opinion and you are entitled to yours of course.
You might have thought so. Golden fleece was awesome. But he was a 12f horse, maybe 10f too. But El Gran Senor won the great 2000 Guineas, and was a brilliant 12f horse. So his Versatility probably gives him the edge. And the Senor beat superior horses. But Golden fleece was imperious at 12f and they never got to the bottom of him.
Yes it’s only my opinion.Goes for nothing really.
Simply unbelievable that Alleged was not in top 3.
Dual Arc winner.
Lomond????
Did you even watch it.Alleged was Joint number 1.
June 1986, if Piggott had been on Dancing Brave - that very good horse would have won the Derby!
That’s in Hindsight.
@pauldonohoe3646 Yes without question.
@@HorseRacingLegends Greville Starkey’s poor riding cost a class horse the Blue Riband of the Turf .
@rohansrider That’s your opinion of course
@@HorseRacingLegends Shared by many racing experts too.
My ten would have been 10, storm bird , 9 lomond ,8 detroit ,7 the minstrel 6, assert ,5 careleon, 4 sadlers Wells, 3 alleged, 2 el gran senor senor, 1 golden fleece ❤
Great shout.
Take out detroit and add Kings Lake ❤
Kings lake wasn’t a Sangster Horse.
Ah true but I think he had a share in him didn't golden fleece have the same colours as Kings Lake at the start of his career? Correct me if I'm wrong again 😂👍
I think you could be right
The Minstrel and Assert were better horses than Sadlers wells.
Yes it’s only my opinion.
@@HorseRacingLegends and old Vic, reference point, oh so sharp, diminuendo could go on but I'm Cecil bias were better still
@@DFUK83Not Sangster Horses though.
@@HorseRacingLegends very true
At the end it's was basically turtle island and Rodrigo de triano at the mile. But always loved the sangster colours. Peter chapel hyam had some great 2 year olds with those colours but ok for middle distance horses, I still liked el gran senor pat didn't do him justice in the big one
@@HorseRacingLegends if I remember musicale for Cecil was in the sangster colours can't think of anything else
Would have detriot the arc winner in there the golden years of pat eddery ❤
It’s hard to,leave Rodrigo out for sure.
Detroit was a filly
horseracing before woke