Billy Reveals Peter's Player Selection Tactics | Moneyball (Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill)
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- In this intriguing scenario, my dears, doubt clouds the minds of the scouts as Billy (Brad Pitt) explains Peter's (Jonah Hill) unique player selection method.
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🎬Moneyball (2011): Billy Beane (Brad Pitt), general manager of the Oakland A's, one day has an epiphany: Baseball's conventional wisdom is all wrong. Faced with a tight budget, Beane must reinvent his team by outsmarting the richer ball clubs. Joining forces with Ivy League graduate Peter Brand (Jonah Hill), Beane prepares to challenge old-school traditions. He recruits bargain-bin players whom the scouts have labeled as flawed, but have game-winning potential. Based on the book by Michael Lewis.
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Pete is my quantitative
LOOK AT HIS EYES
He won a national math competition
He doesn't even speak english!
@@rickysalgado1623 He won the national math competition at Yale! He speaks english!
His name is YANG
Gotta love the old man at the end who understands his place.
Billy is the GM. He doesn't answer to anybody except the owner and God. These scouts are just there to advise him and then Billy is free to choose whether or not to take that advice.
This exactly. He might not understand the methods, but he knows that Billy has a plan, at the very least.
He's been around the longest and has been NOT listened to plenty!
A lot of subtext here. Billy and Pete (two relatively young men) are surrounded by a table full of elderly men who represent the old way of thinking. In the last scene that they all sat together they told Billy that their years, wisdom and experience were all that mattered here and that Billy essentially needs to shut up and let them do their job. They’re meeting here again to discuss the same subject, but this time Pete is present and he is the Talisman that is going to allow Billy to turn the table on them. They are IMMEDIATELY suspicious and fearful of Pete. The real tension is brought to bear through the realization that what Billy is really telling them is that they are obsolete. If Pete can singlehandedly create a winning team out of inexpensive castaways with some math formulas then all of their “experience”, “wisdom” and “knowledge” is meaningless. They’re being phased out. The eldest of the group with the hearing aid who “knows his place” has just accepted this fact and is ready to pack it in. The others aren’t going to go down without a fight. Fantastic scene.
Yeah they work for him not the other way around
The best counter to Billy's thinking was none knowing how to play first base. It was a legitimate concern and worthy of discussion.
"you do not" classic.
3:09 I just noticed it says PRATT C for chris pratt who plays scott H
It's a reference to Todd Pratt who played for Philadelphia between 2001 and 2005. The C is for "catcher". Still a cool coincidence though.
"Exactly...sounds like an Oakland A already."
Gets me every time! 😂
This is one underrated movie, maybe one of Pitt’s best rolls ever, just so believable , and compelling
Underrated? He was nominated in the oscars, won a lot of awards and it has been named like one of the baseball.movies ofbtbe last decade
It is not underrated at all, it is very highly rated.
Saying shit is underrated is dated, it's played... It's perfectly rated.
"Guys read your reports or I'm gonna point at Pete."
How rude 😏
The best threat uttered in any movie ever.
You gotta carry the one.
Amazing scene. The whole film crystalised here.
2:51 love how he points back at Grady
It amazes me how the scouts are having such an issue with bringing in players who don't know how to play first base and that one of these players needed to be taught while earlier they were getting a hard on for another player who has a hard time hitting the ball and were defending their pick by saying they'll teach him how to play against big league pitchers.
Scouts are worthless. Only comparable to meteorologists for how much they get paid to fail.
People say whatever to defend their position.
This is why one of the best ways to convince someone of an idea is to make them think it is their idea. Obstacles become opportunities sometimes depending on who is pushing for the thing.
Playing 1st base isn't hard anyone who ever played catcher would have no problem playing 1st base. It's just movie fiction.
@@Paul-vf2wlAnother thing that came to mind. I've never seen this movie and have just been watching scenes. When I first heard of David Justice, I was thinking of an older guy like the teacher in the movie, "The Rookie," was. When I later saw how he looked, I was shocked at how these old scouts were talking about him.
Billy's player selection tactics : have both the MVP and the CY Young winner on the team but don't mention them in the movie pretend it's all about the 1st baseman.
Yep the book and the movie left out that they had too level and good salary pitching like all winning clubs do. Also, only caring about getting on base and not defense cost them in the playoffs every year
You're backwards projecting things that nobody could have known at the point represented in the movie. Zito was a very young pitcher and there was no way of knowing he would win the Cy Young and have a career year. 2002 was the high water mark of his career, too. Same with Tejada; no way to know he would win MVP and without all those dudes getting on base ahead of him, no way he gets 131 RBIs.
@@plaidchuck That point was made in the book: Beane is on record saying that playoffs are just luck and the only thing that MIGHT actually be predictive of playoff wins is good pitching. Also, 4 of the 5 starters the As had were young dudes on tiny salaries of less than $1million per year. Pure moneyball pitching staff. Also addressed in the book is that you cannot really disentangle defense from pitching.
@@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 Zito was 17-8 in 2001 and he had 205 strikeouts. Tejada had 30 hrs both the previous 2 seasons just go away with your lack of knowledge.
It doesn't matter. They won MORE games without Jason Giambi and without Damon than they did, with them. They lost their best two players (probably) and still got it done. They were in 2002 what Seattle was in 2001 after the Mariners lost everyone. Now, maybe that is because the AL West is far "weaker" than the East in 2001 and 2002 (I'll buy that) but they still got it done. And even if there was no defense on the field and that cost them in the playoffs, at least they MADE the playoffs. That is the whole point. What difference does it make if you have the #1 defensive team in all of baseball if you do not make the playoffs because you don't score enough runs or your pitching is just... meh?
The last time Oakland won the World Series, they had the highest payroll in baseball. This owner does not pay. He likes to profit from the team. So they have to scratch out wins by being creative and inventive.
The fact that this movie is so interesting in a sport I don’t care about and the fact it’s all just backstage politics is remarkable from the filmmakers and actors involved. Would love if they did this for the WWE.
I’d love it if they did it for our government. But then, there would be a revolution when everybody saw what was really going on.
A friend of mine was a top college baseball player and played in the minors. He told me that most of the guys there were just as good as the guys that got promoted but that most of the guys that made it to the bigs had people in the organization pushing for them.
I laugh when they talk about the guy being a .260 hitter - when that’s doing pretty well in the modern game.
“I don’t see it”. Hes trying to chase what every other team is doing, but doesn’t realize the deck is stacked against him in that his team literally can’t afford the players he wants. And EVEN IF they find a diamond in the rough in terms of scouting a great player, the wealthy teams will just buy him up later a la Giambi and Damon. They unequivocally had to change their approach but, in his own words, he simply didn’t see it. It’s easier to think inside the box and rationalize your failures rather than risking doing something new and being ridiculed if it does work out (or, in the instance of Bean, being ridiculed despite it working out).
The sum of this movie "because he gets on base"
Do you want me to speak? When I point at you yeah.
"We've been working asses off."
Give me a break! They hardly look like they're working there asses off.
No, these guys absolutely were and do - traveling around the country, observing, talking to people. It just so happens they weren’t buying into analytics (yet).
They travel around the country and gather their own stats based on players. They could be in LA watching a person practice in the morning then have to be in Texas at night to watch a person of interest play in the game. Lots of sleepless nights and jet lag, away from families for weeks at a time. They absolutely work hard. Just cause someone doesn’t use a shovel everyday doesn’t mean they aren’t working hard.
You know this is a movie right? Adapted from a true story, but not completely factual.
@travisvanalst4698 I guess I see a difference between working and being inconvenienced. Sitting and watching players play is not working. Traveling a lot is tiring, and it's a hassle. I'm not saying it's easy for them. I just don't see it as work.
@cancarriz Holy crap! I didn't believe it at first, but after I double checked, I found out you were right! It actually IS a movie! Right on!
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Not just about buying runs. You have to buy *more* runs than the opposition buys. And if you are allowing more runs through errors, the runs you're buying from the player aren't effective. So sure, they might be great at getting on base... but if they're giving up bases and worse, runs, because they can't play defense... the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Similar yet not perfectly analogous to the Robinson Crusoe fallacy.
Exactly, it was a fundamental flaw of Moneyball. You can get a guy who gets on base a lot and gets you runs when he's at a bat, but if he's a defensive liability on the field, he is going to give up just as many runs to the opposition.
Undoubtedly Peter Brandt factored in fielding percentage when calculating run production/OBP.....Giambi was hardly a Gold Glove fielder at first and Damon, although a great center fielder, never really hit all that well for them.
I've watched this movie many times...I just don't get tired of it. I don't think at this point I can be a Spoiler but in the off chance I could be...I find Billy Beane's Character (Brad PItt) Baseball experience before becoming GM a Real Driver of the Movie. and Philip Duncan(RIP) Character so Good. It is really a Good Story.
Great acting by all.
The one thing this movie doesn’t quite spell out (which the book does) was *why* they were targeting on-base percentage. It was there in the context - OBP was undervalued - but you’d have thought if Billy Beane really was making his case to someone, especially old-school scouts, he’d explain it a bit better. Or let his assistant explain it. I understood it, but I think a lot of people came away thinking they just had this weird obsession with walks. Walks, and working the count, are definitely good, but if OBP was properly valued, the A’s would’ve targeted something else.
They’re still looking for Fabio.
And mlb is still lustful over avg
Not really a baseball fan, still a awesome movie though
I laugh at the cut to the chewing tobacco everytime. It's the director saying "you didn't get it? these scouts are old school".
and i still wonder who plays on first :) and for the record, i dont know is on third.
The hearing aid gentleman had it right: Know your role. He's the boss, not us.
Most people don't get that. They're a dishwasher but acts like the chef. They're a teenager but think they're running the home.
And when their ego can't handle that fact, they act like dude at 4:33.
I love this movie, but when the scout he fires says "you're not going to bring in ONE... but THREE defective players to replace Giambi?" Isn't it 3 players for 3 players to replace but each of the 3 is an average OBP? Tell me I'm wrong its the only thing that bothers me LOL
That was the problem with Freddy, he never understood what Billy was doing. Even though Billy had spelled it out for him multiple times. Freddy was stuck on "replacing Giambi"
@MrCveedub he's even MORE awful at his job if that's the case haha
The movie doesnt really get into why the A's were doing so well the season before.. the already had a lot of talent on that team before the movie even starts
I probably would have taught Justice to play 1st and used Hatteberg as a DH only.
No way. Always put a catcher a first base if you have to. They’re used to scooping up wild pitches and keeping balls in front of them. At first base, even though they’re in a different stance, they have more time to react to a bad throw or one-hopper. Obviously you would worry about line drives and hard grounders up the first base line, but that’s not nearly as important as receiving throws from the rest of the infield.
The Nationals moved Ryan Zimmerman to first when his rotator cuff went south. He only helped them to win a World Series.
Other way around is how I would do it: Hatteberg at 1st and Justice as a DH. Hatteberg actually ended up being a pretty good first baseman.
“Billy, who’s that?”
“That’s Pete.”
“Does he need to be here?”
“Yes he does.”
“He can play and we need players who can play” ah, you’ve got it all figured out. Great.
For this movie, Brad Pitt might be the best casting succes of all time
Mulder, Zito, & Hudson. They left that out.
I love this movie and watched it at least 3 times but can someone tell me why everyone is spitting in cup while in meeting
Dipping tobacco
add - inevitably who was right.
the scouts only dream.
the GM though gets stuck with the dead turkeys and high contracts
pete though is an accountant whom sees through dead turkeys and only sees numbers.
percentages are everything in baseball.
The scouts are talking about prospects in the minors. Nobody gets stuck with huge contracts at that point.
Everything in life is about percentages when you think about it. Baseball and other sports just have a lot of the data collected and catalogued so it's easier to analyze than real life.
You are not going to win with .230 BA and .340 OB. How many playoff series did the A's win?
Billy could've fire atleast half of them for questioning his decisions.
You really don't want to fire people for (respectfully) bringing their percieved issues to your attention.
Who's on first?
yeah, you gotta, do the thing. with the aggregate.
Was $285K the league minimum then?
Yes, but now it's like $700 k.
Not sure but an OBP of 324 and 291 are not that great are they?
That's kind of his point. Instead of one star hitter plus two not so great batters he wants three players that average to the same OBP
@@Andreas-ni2lt Yup, they're so focused on these guys replacing Giambi that they overlooked that they also had better OBPs than the other two.
Damon and Almeda (?) had crappy OBPs. Plus, Giambi's OBP was accumulated in far more plate appearances. And of course, his OPS was huge too.
What I don’t get is that, the A’s weren’t exactly a superstar team to begin with, right? So how were they able to win so many games with this method?
@@Bingbangboompowwhamthink of it like a bell curve. Your worst players on one end and the best at the other. Obviously they couldnt afford to get more of the best players. So they found a bunch of middle quality players that were valued low for various reasons. Then they could afford to make the overall team better with those players.
I love how disagreeable brad pitt is. Just, so sure of himself, even with the uncertainty. No need to explain yourself if the boss trusts you.
Not gonna talk about the excellent pitching staff and the mvp playing third base.
Trouble with the curve and Moneyball are two of my favourite sports movies and I have less than zero interest in Baseball as a sport.
...or im gonna point at pete
Hatteberg ended up getting six more MLB seasons becuse of this.
That’s my “quant”
This movie and in particular, this scene underlineswhat I have been thinking about baseball for decades. It ain't a sport. Football (American os asociate) is sport, a lot can happen with 1 or 2 worldclass players added to the mix. Judo, boxing, BJJ are sports, the main determening factor between win/lose is done by the atlethes in the ring. In baseball it is not.
It sadly is about who WALKS IN the points and denies these to the opponant. 90% of the game can now be predicted by a programmer and a late 1990ies computer.
Oooh , smoking Pot
Get rid of about half of the people around that table and you would have more money to hire players.
Why do they keep spitting into cups? Disgusting
Bill james data does work in some instances but very rarely all. Its mostly about gut instinct
That’s honestly just silly.
Baseball is crap and boring as are all american sports.
Those old guy's knew what they were doing. They had Oakland on the verge of winning a championship despite having a low payroll. What did Billy Bean's new strategy get them? A one way ticket to Las Vegas.
It got both the Red Sox and the Cubs their championships that ended their curses.
A’s had no cash. What they discovered was people were paying for the wrong thing. They could afford the right thing. Then, the big teams started paying for the right things. And Oakland ended up in Vegas.
Simp