It was pretty funny. He probably laughs a lot and then just records the same section repeatedly until he doesn't. The criminal history joke was funnier to me than some of you because I didn't get it until listening several times. Not finishing the criminal history until the employer retires is pretty funny.
It’s interesting that she so often elects to pretend to be 14 specifically. I wonder what they would find if they looked back at what happened to her at that age.
@@animula6908 more likely. her mind is stuck at that age for some reason. pathological liars of this "complexity" often came with very specific fixations, that tend to reflect on their stories in a way or another
As a teacher, some interns are like this because they have popularity from the students unlike what they had while in high school. One girl really enjoyed it and seemed to forget that she was a teacher in training and you should act accordingly, professionally. I ended up finding out she was conversing privately with a student and dressed provocatively during a field trip. She was really enjoying the attention she was getting from the boys. There was another guy intern who groomed a senior student and slept with her after graduation.
I personally knew a woman like this (a relative of my wife). The problem was that she was VERY convincing until you got to know her really well. Only then would the inconsistencies mount up to the point where people started to doubt her. She even fooled me for a couple of years before I figured it out, and I'm definitely not a gullible person. One of the reasons she was so convincing was because she mostly believed her own lies, no matter how outrageous they were. She was a master manipulator and got people, businesses and churches to give her money, jobs and charity. Along the way she completely drained the bank accounts of two decent men who cared about her, squandered scarce medical resources on fake illnesses, and damaged the reputations of innocent people (including those of her own children). These people are NOT harmless.
No they're not! Sad story. Personally, thinking back, when a person lied to me and I believed them, (cause people believe a person doesn't contrive to tell deceptions) being me some how a part of my instincts would kick me in the brain and then I'd analysis that person. Odd huh. So no one ever manipulated or could take advantage of myself for very long.
I know a woman exactly like that, she fleeced a few men who were too embarrassed to make it public or go to the police here (Ireland). The damage she did is unbelievable, she even pretended to have cancer at one stage. She invited a friend to Italy, to "her" villa , there was no villa, she fleeced them when they got there. I luckily had been warned not to give her money but was told by kind people to give her the benefit of the doubt but not money.
Sounds like my mum! People like this are very hard to deal with, I am in my mums life because it's easier than cutting her out atm, but whenever she gets a new man and a new group of friends I have to bite my tongue when I meet them. I would warn them, but nobody ever listens til it's too late, she sets the foundations for people not to believe me because im "difficult" and "manipulative" with "emotional problems". Idk, it's a sad thing to watch, she's trapped at about 15 and her life is a wreck, she's basically a professional grifter, and us kids are who she comes to everytime she's burnt through her most recent round of social connections aka people she's got done using. It's really sad and awful to watch that cycle over and over, but also I can't help her 🤷♀️ she doesnt think anything is wrong on her end, she just thinks of herself as a perpetual victim and doesn't seem to see anything wrong with what she does to get her own way. Idk, I think people like this are so shattered inside that they don't even know who they are, have no concept of long term consequence, only what they want (whether or not it's good for them) at any given moment. Very destructive, especially to people who want to help someone in need
@@vee1545 Wow! It's like you precisely described my wife's relative. She also relentlessly used other people, and when they finally caught on she would play the victim and do everything she could to destroy the other persons reputation. She and her daughter joined the same church at one point. She immediately started playing the victim and asking the church for charity, and so the daughter tried to warn the church about her. She found out and did such an effective character assassination of her own daughter that the daughter had to change churches. It took about a year for the pastor to realize that the daughter was right about her mother all along. Watching from a distance, I could see that this woman was incredibly toxic and should be avoided wherever possible. Good luck with your mum.
@@marcusmoonstein242 thanks Marcus! She’s managed lol, sad to say but that’s probably the best case scenario with her at least at the moment. I hope that woman you knew got to escape her mother or at least keep a distance, it is far less toxic once you give up on the idea of helping them sadly. I’ll always love her, but she is not a good influence on my life, and I refuse to let her drag me down. 63 and still trying to use her charms to grift, she was a good looking woman in her day (and to her credit she’s still good looking considering her age) but I’m waiting for that foot to drop, when men don’t walk for her wiles anymore. Than she’s probably going to be more of a direct problem because she’ll be bored, and who does she run to when she’s bored? Her kids lol Hope you don’t have do see your wife’s relative too often, people like that tends to ruin a family event or make a quiet dinner unnecessarily fraught Thank you for your well wishes, I really appreciate it! Hope your week is laid back and full of good things 😁
I had one of these in my family. At first I thought she was amazing, then I gradually realised she was constantly lying. I didn't exactly call her out, but I showed by the questions I was asking that I didn't believe her. She went to my mother and told her I was a prostitute. There's nothing harmless about it, they know what they're doing. It's like stealing praise and attention.
The fallen angels were called the watchers. Narcs have earned the title "watchers" because they watch & observe their victims suffer in anguish. Narcs probably get dopamine rushes as they observe their damages.
When she took those children, that's when she really crossed the line! And to think how badly she's draining the system.... Thank you again, Dr. Grande, for your exceptional content, and for what you give to this world! ♡♡
Yes, and I don't understand her motivation in doing it. She immediately pretended to be 14 again. What on earth was her inner narrative about all this? Was she telling herself the kids were hers?
@@Cat_Woods Don't waste your time trying to make logical sense out of it-- people like this are not utilizing logic in any way. They don't share your values or motivation. They might look up and see a cloud, then think they have magical powers and drive to the next county to announce that they are the queen of Canada... does any of that make sense or have motivation? Insane people operate like their head is a bag of random ideas that they shake, and act on what falls out first.
Draining the system! What about the system draining the people with taxes etc., ?? No I don't think she should be imprisoned... but she can't do that about "taking children " she's likely to get a punch in the mouth for that... you can't terrify parents and get away with it.... consequences happen then.... I knew a girl who would lie about being pregnant to her boyfriends... she only did it, because she totally wanted babies and she wanted to check if they'd run off, if she actually was pregnant. Then she'd lie about miscarriage... I thought it wierd. But guys DO RUN OFF, so I 'get' what she was doing
I think this question about whether pathological lying is a condition or a disorder is fascinating and probably deserves more research. Thanks for another fascinating case!
It used to be considered just big fish stories. My dad did this his entire life to make his insecure self special. He was a miserable, difficult sort. To be associated with a disorder makes sense. His narcisstic behaviour was off the charts. To add tho, when i was young we lived in a hoity toity place where people were forever sniffing for pedigree. We were of average income among super wealthy people. School was incredibly clique-y. I remember maybe modeling him and telling tall tales to fit in. He was also abusive but in those days there was no where to go with it so I would make up victim stories maybe as a form of somehow expressing DV. As a young adult I came to my senses and stopped when i began to look inward. For me perhaps it was conditional but then again not pathological.
@@janefreeman995 Right, it's a disorder, but that's not the same as an illness. A narcissist for example COULD act like a decent human being, but because of the way they deal with the world they choose to act selfishly. That's not an illness, it's more like a bad habit or series of bad habits working together.
@@janefreeman995 Good point. My dad was like that, too. Having worked with all four of my grandparents (all New Testament types) and knowing his brothers and the extended rural community, I DO NOT SEE where this came from other than GENETIC. There is and was no excuse for it. If we couldn't break the chain of behaviour we'd all be certified nuts. You broke the chain as you matured. Good for you.
@@janefreeman995 My younger sister is like this too. Since I am older, I witnessed it first hand all of my life. She was jealous and always lying, antagonizing me, and exaggerating. She's also a bully and highly manipulative. And a user. I think it's narcissistic personality disorder, at least in her case. She even went to the extent of telling me in an email argument where she was once again harassing me, that she has a masters degree in psychology, which is hilarious. I asked my family if they were aware of this, and of course none of them were. She works full time in management in one of the biggest of the largest global corporate monopolies, so she probably took a couple of courses on how to manipulate people.
Hi Doc. I grew up in Bendigo, not pronounced Ben-de -go, but Bendy-go. I smiled when I figured out where you meant, by the reference of it being 2 hours drive from Melbourne. I hope you found this comment as intriguing as an Australian tradesman advising an American psychologist about pronunciation...thanks for reading.
This supports the argument that these people are delusional. They seem to believe, to some extent, their fabrications even when they also know it isn't true. I wish there was more literature on the subject as it seems like a person's fantasies are being pushed into their conscience perceptions like especially intrusive thoughts.
My daughter had a friend who was a pathological liar about the most mundane things. It took me a bit to figure her out. She carried this to in grade school, taking other kids homework out of the completed work bin, erasing the name of the kid who did it and putting her own name on it. This devious in gradeschool!!! I can't even imagine these gradeschool kids insisting they did their work and for a time no one believing them. One day my daughter called me and said I thought I brought my history book to school, but it's not here can you check if I left it home. Nope your book is not here. I called the school and said you check and make sure little susy q doesn't have my kids history book, and sure enough, there it was. At the time I understood none of this, but now I know she certainly had some kind of a personality disorder. Even your pencils were not safe from her, in gradeschool.
4:29 Extremely impressed with your pronunciation of "Melbourne" (my home city). Spoken like a true local. Shows the depth of Dr. Grande's research and attention to detail. Outstanding!
Meet more Asian women. I've met lots (in Japan) that I can't place (without directly asking), somewhere between (even younger than) 25 and (even older than) 50.
I could still pass as a teen into my thirties. Baby face. Now that I am 65, people think I am in my forties. My mother looks like she is in her sixties and she will be ninety in three weeks.
The weirdest person I think you ever covered. Reminds a bit of the elderly woman who keeps breaching security at airports, and often boarding planes... it's like, what's the point?
I laughed out loud at “Megan Markel is a talented actress “. Your humor is rattled off just like the rest of the story in such a way that devastating to my funny bone! Keep them coming!
@@edwardelliott5756 Ain't it though. Critique people's actions to get the masses to follow that line of negative thought process and it grows. But look at this, what some may call a doctor's, mouth, upper lip, chin ... he's wearing a face mask or using face props to disguise himself. Or herself, who knows.
I had a roommate who probably had this condition. she had me at first until I figured it out. and once I did she started lying about me and convinced others I had done all kinds of things to them that in reality she herself had done to them (like stealing). she was very convincing because some of the things she lied about just didn’t make sense to lie about.
I also knew someone like this. She was your best friend as long as you believed her and gave her what she wanted. The minute you doubted her she would spread lies about you and try her best to destroy your reputation, all the while portraying herself as the victim.
@@marcusmoonstein242 Yes, hard to shake off such people. Almost better to 'be aloof' at the beginning; I'm tempted to say hit 'whoever it is' with a test of some kind, and if they pass, let them know you WERE testing, and grow the relationship from there. If rich, for instance, it certainly wouldn't seem wise to start conversations even hinting that you are -- unless you want to attract the crazies.
Wait, you just learned that there are pathological liars? I don't think anyone needs to watch Dr. Grande's videos to learn that. I'll tell you what I learned. Clearly, the government (law enforcement, etc.), the science based (mental health) industry has no idea what to do about lying of any kind. I never lied to my kids, not about Santa, "little white lies". Now they are successful adults and trust everything I say completely. It's a wonderful feeling when you get along with your kids great. Psychology didn't teach me this. To lie about Santa is OK in modern science. So, are "little white lies". My ex-wife promised to buy ice-cream if my son cleaned his living room of toys. He got happy and started to clean. later he finished. I pointed at the floor to his mom. She motioned "He forgot about it..wink" I Said, Leon, You still want that Ice-cream? He jumped up happy.
I think most of us have known someone who may have been a pathological liar. If you are lucky, that behavior won’t cause you or your circle of friends and family any major emotional or financial issues. The liar in my life self destructed his social contact circle by expanding the lies and wandering into totally unbelievable claims. When he claimed to be a family member of the sitting president of the United States, I had finally finished with dealing with him. I have to admit that I gave him far too much credit and wasn’t willing to challenge his lesser claims, although they all turned out to be false. Nowadays I may not publicly challenge a liar, but I remove myself from their life.
I know a young woman who displays this behaviour. The first time I met her she told me this bizarre story about her child who lived in America. She said she travelled to America as an exchange student when she was 15 or so, she started a relationship with a teacher when she was there and had a child. She said the Australian Federal Police eventually dragged her back home, but that she had to leave her partner (the teacher) and child behind. Over time when I would see her she would become vague on the details, the child's age, sex etc. I knew pretty quickly it was b.s, but she persisted with spinning the tale until one day she just stopped mentioning it. That was the first of her stories, there have been many, many more. I call them stories because she never seems malicious. At worst it comes across as attention seeking.
I saw the name in the title and assumed coincidence. I am only 2 mins in and I’m in absolute shock. Soon as I heard Campbelltown Australia I knew it was who I thought of. This girl is the younger sister of my brothers close friend through school- jim. I have watched this channel for over a year, and right now I’m listening to a story about someone I’ve literally met and knew. I remember she suddenly disappeared when we were teens, and I always wondered what the hell happened to her. This has blown my mind and I am still beside myself as I listen to this video. This feeling is bizarre beyond comprehension, I know the exact person this video is about 😧 Edit: a point worth mentioning that I forgot to add, from memory I’m pretty sure she was in the support/special ed classes at school. So from early on I think it was known that this girl was maybe a little on the challenged side. She’s less of a mastermind and more of a simple person with bizarre tendancies.
What is amazing about Samantha is there are documentaties made about her but known tell the truth of her childhood and teenage years. U don't go missing at 14 like that and end up a girl telling "lies" about abuse, trafficking rings etc for no reason. There is something missing in her story that God will reveal. He will save her and heal her and help her.
I just received a reply on this comment and it reminded me of something interesting. I can’t be certain, but I think I actually saw Samantha in person at my local westpac bank a few weeks ago. I went in to quickly cash a cheque I received, and I saw somebody as I walked in that was on the phone, and it struck me immediately as “who is that person? They look familiar” and about a second later my brain clicked and realised it was her. The reason I say I can’t be certain is that she was wearing a surgical mask. And I haven’t seen her in person in a very long time. But the eyes and upper face, and general build screamed it was her. Tbh I think the wearing a mask lends to it being her as well. I imagine her as someone that would try to anonymise herself where she can. For context, it has not at all been normal for people (especially young people) to wear masks for a very, very long time here in sydney. I’m near certain it was her, and she was just using it to hide her face. I also sent this video to a friend of mine who was a teacher at our school when we were students, and he didn’t seem terribly surprised. This part I didn’t remember, or I just forgot, but apparently she was pretty bad even when we were school kids with lying and making up stories/ causing trouble with allegations etc. it’s something that’s lived deep within her since being very young.
@@aine2058 Your god, among the thousands of gods, can't even save young children from the many horrors that happen to them every day so I doubt he'd pull finger and do something decent and perhaps help this chick.
Anyone have relatives (adult or child), who indulge in excessive, pointless lying? My sibling lies compulsively for no obvious reason other than emotional reward, always being victimised in her lies. She lied as a kid, making up stories about UFOs and ghosts. But as a teen, she toned it down to just this dimension, on our planet. Still very emotionslly heavy, dramatic tales where she is a martyr. The story will vary with each retelling and she seems not to care that plp talk to each other and compare versions. If a lie is pointed out, she will shout, blather, throw a tantrum or just layer on more lies no matter how absurd and wont surrender. It's whacky af. She also shoplifts, steals from friends/family, commits postal fraud like claiming items ordered online haven't arrived and spends excessively on credit. She also has bipolar disorder but won't take medication consistently. My older sister is a violent insecure narcissist, with no insight into her behaviour. Who will beat you around visciously in public if she feels criticised (mostly imagined, as we're all way too scared to say a word against her). Both are unemployable with no qualifications, with kids by multiple men and divorced/remarried. Not my idea of a life
I have a cousin who has lied constantly for decades. My family always ignored her behavior because we didn't want to start a family conflict. She also liked to invalidate almost everything I said, gaslight me, & humiliate me. I finally recognized her as a first class narc. I wrote her a letter & told her our last conversation was our last ever. That was a major improvement. My life is so much better without her.
Yep. My boyfriend's a fantasist, he lies constantly and tries to gaslight me but I won't have it. I even tell people he's bullshitting while he's lying to them. It's pointless.
@@allinaday9882 my younger sister is a compulsive liar and thief. The oldest sister is an insecure narcissist. It's horrendous. Only my bro and I are normal
Not diagnosing anybody in this comment but you are the bomb. Love your channel and you help us to understand human behaviour. Thanks for your hard work. Keep it up and take care.
Sounds like a narcissist always seeking attention at the cost of other people. She is completely consumed with her identity therefore lying is always her cover up. These people never change they never show any regards to other people involved, the show is just for them.
Yeah, it seems like these types never even consider the trouble they're causing everyone else. She's done quite a bit of damage. Then again, it seems she is mostly hurting herself with all these charges. Thats why I feel like something beyond her control must compel her to keep doing this.
It is sad - she does seem to enjoy self sabotage. It seems as though a long term mental facility might be a good option for her, and hopefully some place that provides good counseling and therapy.
Apart from HIGHLY manipulative behavior, I don't see a big amount of narcissism in this case. Dr. Grande even said that she was diagnosed with BPD. She said herself that she's ill and that she needs help, something that is not very common among narcissists. I think this is more a case of how extensive lying can become a habit which, the longer it's being done, the more difficult it is to discard. The question to ask here would be, wether the lying occures out of habit or with a specific goal in mind. Sometimes I think that the label of narcissisim is thrown around to easily to judge people that show undesirable behavior.
I’m from Australia near by the area of Campbelltown. In here the system doesn’t have long term mental institute that would house a person with this kind of condition. We have a temporary mental health facilities which she have been in for sure. Indeed a tricky situation for the law to deal with.
Her crimes and fitting sequestration from society can simply amount to measurable damage done; not much else really. 100 arrestable offenses means she's crazy. It's not terribly illegal to be crazy.
She was a top level scammer, deceiver and player. I wonder where her family is and how she was able to afford these trips overseas. She comes across as self gratifying narcissist.
@@johnschlottman619 I agree with you I think this woman is just lost and to be honest prison doesn't seem like a good choice but I don't really have any answers it's a sad situation overall.
Her stories compelled people to intervene on her behalf to help her before they realised she lied. The law is kind to underage children so she chose that age group.
This was a remarkable case, or series of cases. So many questions about her family and upbringing. Also the stealing children gave me chills. Didn't the parents check references? More questions on that too. It seems people really need to be protected from someone like this, but how is the problem right now it seems. If she does something criminal and horrible people will say "why wasn't something done about this dangerous person?". I hope it doesn't end up....woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Sounds like histrionic personality disorder too. Women with this lie about their age all of the time. I can see the borderline aspect in what she is doing as well; She is seeking attention in the form of sympathy, not admiration like a narcissist would.
I have a basket case of a cousin. He was sort of normal when we were 9-10 yrs old. I hadn't seen him for awhile, and I was about 16 yrs old, and he showed up where I hung around with my friends looking like a total hippy. He had hair down to his ass, a big silver cross around his neck, and really speaking all the hippy language, saying stuff like he was taking acid ( LSD ) and shooting peanut butter into his arteries. Well after that I had not seen him in quite some time, and he showed up at my office as a "big weightlifter" saying he was a bouncer at a bar. Before that time, he was a skinny kid, about 150 lbs, and then looked like this huge guy, probably was taking steroids. His latest thing he told me at a family gathering not to long ago is he has a Buffalo ranch, and raises them for the meat. Says he doesn't have too many, only about 1,500 head, and sells some off when he needs money. This guy is really a used car salesman I think, but suffers greatly from delusions of grandeur. Amongst my family we joke about him, and don't take him seriously, and we call him Buffalo Bob. It's too bad I can't get to know who he really is, and I refuse to go out to lunch with him, and listen to his constant BS. I sometimes wonder if he really knows who he is ? I think he does, but is not satisfied, so he lives in a fantasy world. -- True story.
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Well they use 20 something's to play kids in lots of American series so people are used to it plus you can't always tell people's ages nowadays. Kids look 45.
I’m interested in what this individual thinks of people who don’t believe her. Are they completely lost to her in the same way others are dehumanized before the eyes of an antisocially adjacent person? Do people who believe her supply her narcissistic hunger? It looks like she does care to some extent for the well-being of others, but only so far as an audience for her fantasy. I wonder what the childhood of individuals like this entails.
You know people believing here feeds her. Probably those who openly disbelieve, are just ignored. She may come up with some way they are further victimizing her. I've seen that a lot. You can find it in the comments, some of these people should have neon "V" for victim signs.
Pathological lying always brings me back to the New Age thought of “the secret“. After I heard about the concept of “living and believing in what you want and you can manifest it into reality” always brought me to think of people that were pathological liars or who have other mental illnesses that brings them to believe something that wasn’t true or not reality based. If this manifestation concept that some spiritual gurus and such push was something that could truly happen, wouldn’t all those lies and crazy thoughts actually come to be under that concept of believe it true, live as it’s true, and it will actually come to be true?
@@truthsocialmedia there sure are a lot of men out there that think that: "it's the man in you that brings out the women in me"? I thought it was the other way around!
u nailed "melbourne" so authentically Dr Grande! 😂 though for an american, I'd say it translates to mel-burn...not mel-born, but you'd still pronounce the 'r'...but if you wanted to sound legit aussie then u did it! 😉💯 ...unfortunately Bendigo didn't fare so well, but who cares 😜 (it's Bendy-go if u were curious)
".. or Meghan Markle is a talented actress..." 🤣🤣🤣 excellent comment, it made me genuinely laugh!!... does such condition can be help with therapies and medications?... is the person able to understand her condition or it's too much part of her personality to see it? Thanks Dr Grande
I knew a girl, growing-up who seemed to get stuck at middle- school age. Years later, we reconnected and it was shocking just how much she seemed to still be frozen in that stage. As I got to know her again, I learned more and more about her childhood. I never asked if she was abused, but I don't think she was, at least not physically and/or sexully. She did say however that her father often made sexual remarks about her 12 and 13 year old friends and that her mother, who was a surgeon and who had coerced the father into going through med-school to become a podiatrist, had put a lot of pressure on her to succeed.
I have a friend from elementry school that's 28 and never kissed a girl, driven a car, or had a job. He plays legend of Zelda all day. I cNt save him my heart breaks fir him.
What an interesting case analysis Dr. G! I think I saw a movie similar to this case. Of course, Hollywood took a darker turn with the plot. I agree with your conclusion regarding her being placed in a mental health facility; I think she could definitely benefit from working with empathetic mental health professionals. Your facetious humor is top notch as always doc!🤣🤣🤣 Wishing you (and anyone else who stumbles across this comment) a kickass day!🤘😈🌵🎶
One thing I learned from Dr. Grande which seems to be key here is that indulgence in fantasy is dangerous. People try and reconcile their real life with their fanatasy and its behind many horrible human behaviors because the fanatasy becomes so extreme.
I have a non biological family member who was a pathological liar as a child through her teens. Her biological mother died of cirrhosis of the liver in her 30s due to alcoholism. This family member spent time in an orphanage in Washington DC where she was the only white child. Her lying was very frustrating to my mother (who survived an even worse childhood). After many years to reflect on this I believe this family member used pathological lying as a survival skill. God only knows everything she endured before she came to live with my family at the age of 5. As an adult she is honest and a good wife and mother. Children who grow up in chaotic environments where there is drug abuse, alcoholism, violence, molestation and financial insecurity cannot be blamed for developing survival skills to navigate a nightmarish upbringing. But they should get therapy to help them understand those skills do not serve them well in adulthood and in some cases may undermine their efforts to be successful as adults. There may be many reasons people are pathological liars but I do believe we are like other mammals in the sense we will do what is necessary to adapt to a bad situation when we are powerless to leave.
I think this is the best comment. Thanks. Maybe her overworked brain will get a chance to focus on something creative (if not interested in having a family). Art, writing a story (s) about her experiences might be a way through her issues if a sympathetic psychiatrist isn't found. She definitely needs to find some inspiration/focus other than the excitement of fooling others; many creative people have, even con artists. Worrying about survival in early years produces all types of criminals, this one fortunately hurt no one; and I don't think she ever would. Didn't know of course. But I'm glad you shared an understanding w/o harsh judgement.
I totally agree with you. Many children lie to avoid harsh treatment. I was one, but am brutally honest as an adult. Put me back around my family though, and my anxiety goes through the roof, totally triggering fight flight freeze. You are definitely onto something. Thank you 😊
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How common is pathological lying without other dark triad traits? My ex was a pathological liar but also very destructive. That I only figured out after the damage was done. I mean, the fact she also had sadistic motives. It took me three years to figure out and the full exctent of the lying. In the beginning I thought it was harmless little lies, and tried figure out "why" and also tried to help her instead of just leave the relarionship directly which would've been the wiser thing to do.
I knew a person who was a pathological liar, and it was causing him quite a bit of emotional anguish. His lies were quite transparent, and always grandiose in nature, he was meeting politicians, members of government secret services, other notable people, receiving awards and commendations, as well as reporting just how smart and otherwise awesome he was. He wasn't getting much out of his stories, and i always felt quite a bit of pity towards him. I knew that he understood what he was doing and that he also understood how it made him look like to other people around him.
Amazing Dr Grande thanks so much for doing this case 🙏I'm completely addicted to your videos and was dying to know what you thought about this. Thanks for your continuously superb content Doc!
I know a Substitute Teacher that is a pathological liar. His interactions are with children who either doesn’t care or doesn’t pay attention. When he interacts with adults, it’s hilarious. He forgets that adults are not children and calls him out or just lets him lie , people just laugh at him as they know he lies a lot to look important
Hi Dr. Grande, Thank you so much for your unique and informative analysis, I really appreciate it. I have two analytical content requests: Would you please consider analyzing your use and effectiveness of humor while analyzing tragic incidences? While I really enjoy your analysis, particularly around psychology and also the missing person incidences, would you please consider analyzing the various psychological, geopolitical and military commentary aspects of the film Apocalypse Now Redux? As always, thanks again for your prodigious output and intriguing commentary, I am very, very grateful. Kindly, Dennis
Dr. Grande, my mother has been a pathological, liar, my whole life. I'm so glad you're talking about this. My eyes and ears were glued to the television because I've been looking this up and me and my aunt have been trying to figure out why she does this for years. Initially everybody believes her because it's not like she sees spaceships or anything like that., it's things like, of course you know I met this celebrity, or I beat cancer several times, or when her and my dad got divorced, she was telling the whole family that he was a drug addict, which was not true, everybody just has realized that she is a pathological liar, and we just listen, but we know everything she says isn't true. We just don't understand why she does this because she is a genius. An absolute genius, but every time she opens her mouth we know it's a lie. No one in our family friends. No one believes anything she says even if it's true now no one. And no one can figure out why she does this. And I sad thing is if something really bad did happen to her. No one would believe her and that's a bad thing. I don't even speak to her. I haven't spoken to her in three or four years because I can't stand the lies anymore. I don't like to be lied to. I don't like to hear lies, and she has told some whoppers of a lie that it has torn our family to pieces and I'm just done. I think she has maybe one or two people in her life left and that's pretty sad. Anyway, thank you for talking about that. I really do wish you were my therapist. I really do. You are amazing at what you do. I love how you snuck that Meghan Markle thing in there. That's amazing because I'm sure agree with you on that one.! 😂
She wasn’t being deceptive when she claimed the emotional maturity of a 14 year old. She could have a legitimate career posing for Barely Legal magazine. In it adult women are made to look underage and men are made to look like lecherous teachers, priests, uncles, etc
Isn't this the same thing as Anna Delvey and The Tinder Swindler? This is people acting out of boredom and embarrassment. They learn this behavior to escape reality. Just like the movie Catch Me If You Can with Leonardo DiCaprio. Why don't hollyweird give them a call and just save everybody a lot of time.
Sometimes it can become a habit. When I was younger, I was terrified of my mom; if I broke something for example, I would lie because I didn’t want to get physically abused. I ended up lying constantly because it had become a habit; almost reflexive. Like I would do it without consciously thinking about it. Took me forever to break the habit
Sometimes I wonder if some people who are pathological liars can actually give themselves brain damage. Like, at first, maybe they know they're lying and they're doing it on purpose, but I wonder if so many years of just giving in to the fantasy and ignoring the truth can actually physically damage their brain in a way that makes them unable to tell fantasy from reality anymore.
My mother was a pathological liar. From experience I can tell you that dealing with her was a nightmare. She was the authority figure and she had an extremely bad temper. From early on we were expected to support her in her lies. That's a terrible thing to do to a child because it tells them that reality isn't important, that it is merely a tool to manipulate others with so that you get what you want. Here's an example: When I was 13 and my sister 11 my mother had a new boyfriend who called around 4:00 every day. When he called one day she had us lie to him and tell him that she had hit her head on the side of the pool and was unconscious. He rushed over and made a big fuss over her. He seemed to like us for an hour or two also. My sister and I got shipped off to my uncle's care not long after that so that they could have a nice honeymoon. Our culture seems to promote, to put it mildly, an "alternate reality" as being as valid as the actual reality. These days when I see, for instance, that a biological male can step forward and claim to be a female and that if we don't go along with that we're considered to be bad people I think it's a lot like my nightmare world as a child. We are expected to go along with the craziness - or else. I didn't have any choice as a child except to go along with the lies but I have a choice now. I don't go along with it. I try always to be polite and never confrontational. But, I do speak up.
Thank you for speaking up and not going along with the psychosis. Great comparisons. Anyone reading your comment must admit you can't have it both ways.
Honestly grow up, stop making false equivalencies and stop shitting on trans people. They didnt abuse you, your cis woman mother did. Learn about basic biology and the history of colonialism before trying to speak on "false realities" in our society.
Well regarding pathological lying as an "illness", it seems more like a behaviour. A person can choose to do it or not. Is choosing to do it an illness?
Is this a new twist on multiple personality disorder? lol It sounds like Samantha wants to be anyone other than herself, or she's into out of body experiences:-) Maybe she should have tried her hand at acting or politics. Acting because she could have played a wide range of characters. Politics because most politicians are pathological liars. I can't say I blame her, who doesn't want to be a perpetual teenager? Growing up isn't that fun:-) Maybe she took "You can be whatever you want in life" way too seriously. Lol
@Dr. Todd Grande , great pronunciation of 'Melbourne'! I'm not from there, but had a boss several years ago who's from there- and that's exactly how he pronounced it as well! 'Cheers from Hawaii!
Another great one, Doc! Would you consider doing a video on Taylor Schabusiness? That last name alone makes her possibly a good subject. There was a superhero who had to say "Shazam!" to activate his powers. I can see Taylor showing up to confront villains and saying "Schabusiness!" to activate hers. Then the crooks either run away or get their heads chopped off. Also 3:43 -- awesome. 9:08 -- the Megan Markle part
You deserve an award for not laughing while reading her criminal history.
A very LARGE award.
How did he not laugh when he said "Meghan Markle is a talented actress" ? Cracked me up!!
Something died inside him is my best guess
It was pretty funny. He probably laughs a lot and then just records the same section repeatedly until he doesn't. The criminal history joke was funnier to me than some of you because I didn't get it until listening several times. Not finishing the criminal history until the employer retires is pretty funny.
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Elizabeth Holmes take this
It’s interesting that she so often elects to pretend to be 14 specifically. I wonder what they would find if they looked back at what happened to her at that age.
I found it weird that she also enrolled in school with real teenagers. Does she want to be around them to prey on them?
I was wondering the same thing. What happened to her when she was 13 or 14?
@@animula6908 more likely. her mind is stuck at that age for some reason.
pathological liars of this "complexity" often came with very specific fixations, that tend to reflect on their stories in a way or another
Yeh maybe there was alot of trauma. She seems to accuse men of mistreating her too.
As a teacher, some interns are like this because they have popularity from the students unlike what they had while in high school. One girl really enjoyed it and seemed to forget that she was a teacher in training and you should act accordingly, professionally. I ended up finding out she was conversing privately with a student and dressed provocatively during a field trip. She was really enjoying the attention she was getting from the boys. There was another guy intern who groomed a senior student and slept with her after graduation.
Every "toxic" person I have ever met has been a pathological liar. Stories about anything & everything.
The people I know like that lied very specifically. This gal seems to lie like breathing.
@@marymorris6897 She does.
@@marymorris6897 BPD will do it. About anything and everything. They are way out there.
So true
Borderlines: constant Drama & getting rewards for lying... meet my Cousin Winnie D. ( toxic dame)!
I personally knew a woman like this (a relative of my wife). The problem was that she was VERY convincing until you got to know her really well. Only then would the inconsistencies mount up to the point where people started to doubt her.
She even fooled me for a couple of years before I figured it out, and I'm definitely not a gullible person. One of the reasons she was so convincing was because she mostly believed her own lies, no matter how outrageous they were.
She was a master manipulator and got people, businesses and churches to give her money, jobs and charity. Along the way she completely drained the bank accounts of two decent men who cared about her, squandered scarce medical resources on fake illnesses, and damaged the reputations of innocent people (including those of her own children). These people are NOT harmless.
No they're not!
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I know a woman exactly like that, she fleeced a few men who were too embarrassed to make it public or go to the police here (Ireland). The damage she did is unbelievable, she even pretended to have cancer at one stage. She invited a friend to Italy, to "her" villa , there was no villa, she fleeced them when they got there. I luckily had been warned not to give her money but was told by kind people to give her the benefit of the doubt but not money.
Sounds like my mum! People like this are very hard to deal with, I am in my mums life because it's easier than cutting her out atm, but whenever she gets a new man and a new group of friends I have to bite my tongue when I meet them. I would warn them, but nobody ever listens til it's too late, she sets the foundations for people not to believe me because im "difficult" and "manipulative" with "emotional problems". Idk, it's a sad thing to watch, she's trapped at about 15 and her life is a wreck, she's basically a professional grifter, and us kids are who she comes to everytime she's burnt through her most recent round of social connections aka people she's got done using. It's really sad and awful to watch that cycle over and over, but also I can't help her 🤷♀️ she doesnt think anything is wrong on her end, she just thinks of herself as a perpetual victim and doesn't seem to see anything wrong with what she does to get her own way. Idk, I think people like this are so shattered inside that they don't even know who they are, have no concept of long term consequence, only what they want (whether or not it's good for them) at any given moment. Very destructive, especially to people who want to help someone in need
@@vee1545 Wow! It's like you precisely described my wife's relative. She also relentlessly used other people, and when they finally caught on she would play the victim and do everything she could to destroy the other persons reputation.
She and her daughter joined the same church at one point. She immediately started playing the victim and asking the church for charity, and so the daughter tried to warn the church about her. She found out and did such an effective character assassination of her own daughter that the daughter had to change churches. It took about a year for the pastor to realize that the daughter was right about her mother all along.
Watching from a distance, I could see that this woman was incredibly toxic and should be avoided wherever possible. Good luck with your mum.
@@marcusmoonstein242 thanks Marcus! She’s managed lol, sad to say but that’s probably the best case scenario with her at least at the moment. I hope that woman you knew got to escape her mother or at least keep a distance, it is far less toxic once you give up on the idea of helping them sadly. I’ll always love her, but she is not a good influence on my life, and I refuse to let her drag me down. 63 and still trying to use her charms to grift, she was a good looking woman in her day (and to her credit she’s still good looking considering her age) but I’m waiting for that foot to drop, when men don’t walk for her wiles anymore. Than she’s probably going to be more of a direct problem because she’ll be bored, and who does she run to when she’s bored? Her kids lol
Hope you don’t have do see your wife’s relative too often, people like that tends to ruin a family event or make a quiet dinner unnecessarily fraught
Thank you for your well wishes, I really appreciate it! Hope your week is laid back and full of good things 😁
How you managed to squeeze in “Meghan Markle is a talented actress” as an example of a lie, had me in stitches 😂. Thoroughly enjoyed this video 👍.
Me too!! 😅😂
she was actually pretty good on the show Suits because she played a seductive controlling character
@@jonmcmann6811So pretty much her real character.
She is probably a subscriber. Hopefully.
Yes! At 9:18 I startled my cat when I slapped the table and burst out laughing 🤣🙀
I had one of these in my family. At first I thought she was amazing, then I gradually realised she was constantly lying. I didn't exactly call her out, but I showed by the questions I was asking that I didn't believe her. She went to my mother and told her I was a prostitute. There's nothing harmless about it, they know what they're doing. It's like stealing praise and attention.
When she told your mum that I bet you wanted to punch her in the throat! How horrible!
God almighty - are there ppl like this in the world.
The fallen angels were called the watchers. Narcs have earned the title "watchers" because they watch & observe their victims suffer in anguish. Narcs probably get dopamine rushes as they observe their damages.
@@stephaniesamra7960 Yes! Unfortunately there are individuals who are dedicated to causing psychological & emotional pain to their victims.
@@stephaniesamra7960 You’re new to RUclips, aren’t you?
a lie by a cousin of mine changed the relationship between my mother and me, and caused huge suffering for decades.
When she took those children, that's when she really crossed the line! And to think how badly she's draining the system....
Thank you again, Dr. Grande, for your exceptional content, and for what you give to this world! ♡♡
Yes, and I don't understand her motivation in doing it. She immediately pretended to be 14 again. What on earth was her inner narrative about all this? Was she telling herself the kids were hers?
@@Cat_Woods Don't waste your time trying to make logical sense out of it-- people like this are not utilizing logic in any way. They don't share your values or motivation. They might look up and see a cloud, then think they have magical powers and drive to the next county to announce that they are the queen of Canada... does any of that make sense or have motivation? Insane people operate like their head is a bag of random ideas that they shake, and act on what falls out first.
Draining the system! What about the system draining the people with taxes etc., ?? No I don't think she should be imprisoned... but she can't do that about "taking children " she's likely to get a punch in the mouth for that... you can't terrify parents and get away with it.... consequences happen then.... I knew a girl who would lie about being pregnant to her boyfriends... she only did it, because she totally wanted babies and she wanted to check if they'd run off, if she actually was pregnant. Then she'd lie about miscarriage... I thought it wierd. But guys DO RUN OFF, so I 'get' what she was doing
I have to wonder why anyone in their right mind would want to be a teenager again?!
I think this question about whether pathological lying is a condition or a disorder is fascinating and probably deserves more research. Thanks for another fascinating case!
It used to be considered just big fish stories. My dad did this his entire life to make his insecure self special. He was a miserable, difficult sort. To be associated with a disorder makes sense. His narcisstic behaviour was off the charts. To add tho, when i was young we lived in a hoity toity place where people were forever sniffing for pedigree. We were of average income among super wealthy people. School was incredibly clique-y. I remember maybe modeling him and telling tall tales to fit in. He was also abusive but in those days there was no where to go with it so I would make up victim stories maybe as a form of somehow expressing DV. As a young adult I came to my senses and stopped when i began to look inward. For me perhaps it was conditional but then again not pathological.
@@janefreeman995 Right, it's a disorder, but that's not the same as an illness. A narcissist for example COULD act like a decent human being, but because of the way they deal with the world they choose to act selfishly. That's not an illness, it's more like a bad habit or series of bad habits working together.
@@janefreeman995 Good point. My dad was like that, too. Having worked with all four of my grandparents (all New Testament types) and knowing his brothers and the extended rural community, I DO NOT SEE where this came from other than GENETIC. There is and was no excuse for it. If we couldn't break the chain of behaviour we'd all be certified nuts. You broke the chain as you matured. Good for you.
@@janefreeman995 My younger sister is like this too. Since I am older, I witnessed it first hand all of my life. She was jealous and always lying, antagonizing me, and exaggerating. She's also a bully and highly manipulative. And a user. I think it's narcissistic personality disorder, at least in her case. She even went to the extent of telling me in an email argument where she was once again harassing me, that she has a masters degree in psychology, which is hilarious. I asked my family if they were aware of this, and of course none of them were. She works full time in management in one of the biggest of the largest global corporate monopolies, so she probably took a couple of courses on how to manipulate people.
Possibly both things happen, in different presentations of the same proximal trait.
Remember that french dude who was in his 30's who pretended to be a teen boy who was "missing"
For six years I was married to a pathological liar. It got to the point where he believed his own lies.
Yep, six years here too. It was exhausting listening to the constant lies.
Sheeesh! So many years of lies! I can’t handle 1 day of lying…let alone 6 yrs! Ya’ll have a PhD in pathological lying!
I have experienced that as well & must report, both women were Geminis,like Mr Trump.
Really🤔
That Markle moment made my Day 😌 dear Dr Grande 👍.
This was a case I can't recall hearing about! Thank you as your analysis always delights!
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Oh me too that was a nice treat! I love it when he drops little digs in on the Harkles lol
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😂Yes that got me too lol
Hi Doc.
I grew up in Bendigo, not pronounced Ben-de -go, but Bendy-go.
I smiled when I figured out where you meant, by the reference of it being 2 hours drive from Melbourne.
I hope you found this comment as intriguing as an Australian tradesman advising an American psychologist about pronunciation...thanks for reading.
One thing I have noticed about pathological liars is that they don't change their story when they are called out.
The last former president of the US is a perfect example of this.
This supports the argument that these people are delusional. They seem to believe, to some extent, their fabrications even when they also know it isn't true.
I wish there was more literature on the subject as it seems like a person's fantasies are being pushed into their conscience perceptions like especially intrusive thoughts.
My daughter had a friend who was a pathological liar about the most mundane things. It took me a bit to figure her out. She carried this to in grade school, taking other kids homework out of the completed work bin, erasing the name of the kid who did it and putting her own name on it. This devious in gradeschool!!! I can't even imagine these gradeschool kids insisting they did their work and for a time no one believing them.
One day my daughter called me and said I thought I brought my history book to school, but it's not here can you check if I left it home. Nope your book is not here. I called the school and said you check and make sure little susy q doesn't have my kids history book, and sure enough, there it was.
At the time I understood none of this, but now I know she certainly had some kind of a personality disorder.
Even your pencils were not safe from her, in gradeschool.
Gosh, I can’t even imagine what she’s like now… do you happen to know? Like has she become super successful or?
I hope her family figured it out and got her help!
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Extremely impressed with your pronunciation of "Melbourne" (my home city). Spoken like a true local. Shows the depth of Dr. Grande's research and attention to detail. Outstanding!
Well he didn’t pronounce Bendigo the right way!
Yep totally mutilated poor old Bendigo. Great episode, regardless.
The pronunciation of Bendigo was bad though! 🤣🤣
Loved your pronunciation of Bendigo, Doctor! It's an Aboriginal word that many mangle.
Yup… Bendigo… I had a good laugh!
I am surprised that she could pass as a teenager when almost 30.
Im 28 and they ask my ID when i buy energy drinks :D Its genetics. if you have good genes, youthful features and low weight its easy to pass.
Meet more Asian women. I've met lots (in Japan) that I can't place (without directly asking), somewhere between (even younger than) 25 and (even older than) 50.
I could still pass as a teen into my thirties. Baby face. Now that I am 65, people think I am in my forties. My mother looks like she is in her sixties and she will be ninety in three weeks.
@@teaja211 A lot of bigger people even look younger and more baby faced.
last week when buying a bus ticket, I was asked: youth or adult? I turn 40 next month 🤣
She should use her weird “powers” to catch predators 🤣
“I fly with the Blue Angels”, “ I won the lottery”, “I dance in music videos“, “I went to Harvard” - all lies I have heard. Always be on guard.
I fly with the blue angels! ROFL 😂
I dance to music videos
The weirdest person I think you ever covered. Reminds a bit of the elderly woman who keeps breaching security at airports, and often boarding planes... it's like, what's the point?
I laughed out loud at “Megan Markel is a talented actress “. Your humor is rattled off just like the rest of the story in such a way that devastating to my funny bone! Keep them coming!
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@@ninajefferson4018 Easieist job in the world: critic.
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I had a roommate who probably had this condition. she had me at first until I figured it out. and once I did she started lying about me and convinced others I had done all kinds of things to them that in reality she herself had done to them (like stealing). she was very convincing because some of the things she lied about just didn’t make sense to lie about.
I knew a guy like that. He’d lie about things when the truth would have worked just as well. It was bizarre. I think they get off on it.
I also knew someone like this. She was your best friend as long as you believed her and gave her what she wanted. The minute you doubted her she would spread lies about you and try her best to destroy your reputation, all the while portraying herself as the victim.
@@marcusmoonstein242 Yes, hard to shake off such people. Almost better to 'be aloof' at the beginning; I'm tempted to say hit 'whoever it is' with a test of some kind, and if they pass, let them know you WERE testing, and grow the relationship from there. If rich, for instance, it certainly wouldn't seem wise to start conversations even hinting that you are -- unless you want to attract the crazies.
Thanks Dr Grande! I learn a lot about human behavior from your videos.
Yez and Smiles and Laughter
Wait, you just learned that there are pathological liars?
I don't think anyone needs to watch Dr. Grande's videos to learn that.
I'll tell you what I learned. Clearly, the government (law enforcement, etc.), the science based (mental health) industry has no idea what to do about lying of any kind. I never lied to my kids, not about Santa, "little white lies". Now they are successful adults and trust everything I say completely. It's a wonderful feeling when you get along with your kids great. Psychology didn't teach me this. To lie about Santa is OK in modern science. So, are "little white lies".
My ex-wife promised to buy ice-cream if my son cleaned his living room of toys. He got happy and started to clean. later he finished. I pointed at the floor to his mom. She motioned "He forgot about it..wink" I Said, Leon, You still want that Ice-cream? He jumped up happy.
All I can add is its extremely difficult having a family member that we have to assume everything he says is a lie until proven it isn't.
I think most of us have known someone who may have been a pathological liar. If you are lucky, that behavior won’t cause you or your circle of friends and family any major emotional or financial issues. The liar in my life self destructed his social contact circle by expanding the lies and wandering into totally unbelievable claims. When he claimed to be a family member of the sitting president of the United States, I had finally finished with dealing with him. I have to admit that I gave him far too much credit and wasn’t willing to challenge his lesser claims, although they all turned out to be false. Nowadays I may not publicly challenge a liar, but I remove myself from their life.
Yes sometimes that’s the only peaceful way out since narcs can be extremely vindictive.
The justice system, in Australia, struggles with Every criminal case.
Same in NYC.
I know a young woman who displays this behaviour. The first time I met her she told me this bizarre story about her child who lived in America. She said she travelled to America as an exchange student when she was 15 or so, she started a relationship with a teacher when she was there and had a child. She said the Australian Federal Police eventually dragged her back home, but that she had to leave her partner (the teacher) and child behind. Over time when I would see her she would become vague on the details, the child's age, sex etc. I knew pretty quickly it was b.s, but she persisted with spinning the tale until one day she just stopped mentioning it. That was the first of her stories, there have been many, many more. I call them stories because she never seems malicious. At worst it comes across as attention seeking.
I wonder why she always wants to be 14. What specifically happened when she was 14 that she keeps going back to that age? Interesting
Agreed,
Great question !
Little responsibilities and immaturity.
I saw the name in the title and assumed coincidence. I am only 2 mins in and I’m in absolute shock. Soon as I heard Campbelltown Australia I knew it was who I thought of. This girl is the younger sister of my brothers close friend through school- jim. I have watched this channel for over a year, and right now I’m listening to a story about someone I’ve literally met and knew. I remember she suddenly disappeared when we were teens, and I always wondered what the hell happened to her. This has blown my mind and I am still beside myself as I listen to this video. This feeling is bizarre beyond comprehension, I know the exact person this video is about 😧
Edit: a point worth mentioning that I forgot to add, from memory I’m pretty sure she was in the support/special ed classes at school. So from early on I think it was known that this girl was maybe a little on the challenged side. She’s less of a mastermind and more of a simple person with bizarre tendancies.
yeah I don't believe that liars are intelligent people. they have memory to remember some of their lies that's all.
What is amazing about Samantha is there are documentaties made about her but known tell the truth of her childhood and teenage years. U don't go missing at 14 like that and end up a girl telling "lies" about abuse, trafficking rings etc for no reason. There is something missing in her story that God will reveal. He will save her and heal her and help her.
They are geniuses in very odd but specific ways.
I just received a reply on this comment and it reminded me of something interesting.
I can’t be certain, but I think I actually saw Samantha in person at my local westpac bank a few weeks ago. I went in to quickly cash a cheque I received, and I saw somebody as I walked in that was on the phone, and it struck me immediately as “who is that person? They look familiar” and about a second later my brain clicked and realised it was her. The reason I say I can’t be certain is that she was wearing a surgical mask. And I haven’t seen her in person in a very long time. But the eyes and upper face, and general build screamed it was her. Tbh I think the wearing a mask lends to it being her as well. I imagine her as someone that would try to anonymise herself where she can. For context, it has not at all been normal for people (especially young people) to wear masks for a very, very long time here in sydney. I’m near certain it was her, and she was just using it to hide her face.
I also sent this video to a friend of mine who was a teacher at our school when we were students, and he didn’t seem terribly surprised. This part I didn’t remember, or I just forgot, but apparently she was pretty bad even when we were school kids with lying and making up stories/ causing trouble with allegations etc. it’s something that’s lived deep within her since being very young.
@@aine2058 Your god, among the thousands of gods, can't even save young children from the many horrors that happen to them every day so I doubt he'd pull finger and do something decent and perhaps help this chick.
Anyone have relatives (adult or child), who indulge in excessive, pointless lying?
My sibling lies compulsively for no obvious reason other than emotional reward, always being victimised in her lies. She lied as a kid, making up stories about UFOs and ghosts. But as a teen, she toned it down to just this dimension, on our planet. Still very emotionslly heavy, dramatic tales where she is a martyr.
The story will vary with each retelling and she seems not to care that plp talk to each other and compare versions.
If a lie is pointed out, she will shout, blather, throw a tantrum or just layer on more lies no matter how absurd and wont surrender. It's whacky af.
She also shoplifts, steals from friends/family, commits postal fraud like claiming items ordered online haven't arrived and spends excessively on credit.
She also has bipolar disorder but won't take medication consistently.
My older sister is a violent insecure narcissist, with no insight into her behaviour. Who will beat you around visciously in public if she feels criticised (mostly imagined, as we're all way too scared to say a word against her).
Both are unemployable with no qualifications, with kids by multiple men and divorced/remarried.
Not my idea of a life
Senpai: which on of the siblings was always a victim?
I have a cousin who has lied constantly for decades. My family always ignored her behavior because we didn't want to start a family conflict. She also liked to invalidate almost everything I said, gaslight me, & humiliate me. I finally recognized her as a first class narc. I wrote her a letter & told her our last conversation was our last ever. That was a major improvement. My life is so much better without her.
Yep. My boyfriend's a fantasist, he lies constantly and tries to gaslight me but I won't have it. I even tell people he's bullshitting while he's lying to them. It's pointless.
Poor kids
@@allinaday9882 my younger sister is a compulsive liar and thief. The oldest sister is an insecure narcissist. It's horrendous. Only my bro and I are normal
Not diagnosing anybody in this comment but you are the bomb. Love your channel and you help us to understand human behaviour. Thanks for your hard work. Keep it up and take care.
The list of “ statements anyone would immediately recognize as untrue,” was the hidden gem.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would be honored for Dr Grande to evaluate my mental health, but not to actually diagnose, only speculate on what could be happening :)
I have really been loving your recent topics. Hardest working doc on YT. 🤩
One after another and alwayz keep his cool 😎
You got me with the Megan Markle line, I choked on my coffee and I'm still laughing
ME TOO lol
Your jokes and insights make my day, thank you 😊
Sounds like a narcissist always seeking attention at the cost of other people. She is completely consumed with her identity therefore lying is always her cover up. These people never change they never show any regards to other people involved, the show is just for them.
Yeah, it seems like these types never even consider the trouble they're causing everyone else. She's done quite a bit of damage. Then again, it seems she is mostly hurting herself with all these charges. Thats why I feel like something beyond her control must compel her to keep doing this.
It is sad - she does seem to enjoy self sabotage. It seems as though a long term mental facility might be a good option for her, and hopefully some place that provides good counseling and therapy.
Apart from HIGHLY manipulative behavior, I don't see a big amount of narcissism in this case. Dr. Grande even said that she was diagnosed with BPD. She said herself that she's ill and that she needs help, something that is not very common among narcissists. I think this is more a case of how extensive lying can become a habit which, the longer it's being done, the more difficult it is to discard. The question to ask here would be, wether the lying occures out of habit or with a specific goal in mind. Sometimes I think that the label of narcissisim is thrown around to easily to judge people that show undesirable behavior.
I’m from Australia near by the area of Campbelltown. In here the system doesn’t have long term mental institute that would house a person with this kind of condition. We have a temporary mental health facilities which she have been in for sure. Indeed a tricky situation for the law to deal with.
@CamillaNissan: Same problem in U..S.
Its you! So sorry sit!
Her crimes and fitting sequestration from society can simply amount to measurable damage done; not much else really. 100 arrestable offenses means she's crazy. It's not terribly illegal to be crazy.
@@troy3456789 Its clear the woman cant be part of society
@@allinaday9882 the US has long term psych facilities… what on earth are talking about?
She was a top level scammer, deceiver and player. I wonder where her family is and how she was able to afford these trips overseas. She comes across as self gratifying narcissist.
Could be; she just seems directionless to me, and not even a very good schemer. Just ... lost
@@johnschlottman619 I agree with you I think this woman is just lost and to be honest prison doesn't seem like a good choice but I don't really have any answers it's a sad situation overall.
Don't forget she's a kidnapper of children.
Her stories compelled people to intervene on her behalf to help her before they realised she lied. The law is kind to underage children so she chose that age group.
This was a remarkable case, or series of cases. So many questions about her family and upbringing. Also the stealing children gave me chills. Didn't the parents check references? More questions on that too. It seems people really need to be protected from someone like this, but how is the problem right now it seems. If she does something criminal and horrible people will say "why wasn't something done about this dangerous person?". I hope it doesn't end up....woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Sounds like histrionic personality disorder too. Women with this lie about their age all of the time. I can see the borderline aspect in what she is doing as well; She is seeking attention in the form of sympathy, not admiration like a narcissist would.
Vulnerable narcissists like to play the victim and martyr, like Amber Heard, Jussie Smollet etc.
You may be thinking of a grandiose narcissist(?)
She has been caught in her lies so many times and charged, but keeps doing the samethings over and over
I have a basket case of a cousin. He was sort of normal when we were 9-10 yrs
old. I hadn't seen him for awhile, and I was about 16 yrs old, and he showed up
where I hung around with my friends looking like a total hippy. He had hair down
to his ass, a big silver cross around his neck, and really speaking all the hippy
language, saying stuff like he was taking acid ( LSD ) and shooting peanut butter
into his arteries. Well after that I had not seen him in quite some time, and he showed
up at my office as a "big weightlifter" saying he was a bouncer at a bar. Before that
time, he was a skinny kid, about 150 lbs, and then looked like this huge guy, probably
was taking steroids. His latest thing he told me at a family gathering not to long
ago is he has a Buffalo ranch, and raises them for the meat. Says he doesn't have
too many, only about 1,500 head, and sells some off when he needs money.
This guy is really a used car salesman I think, but suffers greatly from delusions
of grandeur. Amongst my family we joke about him, and don't take him seriously,
and we call him Buffalo Bob. It's too bad I can't get to know who he really is, and I
refuse to go out to lunch with him, and listen to his constant BS. I sometimes wonder
if he really knows who he is ? I think he does, but is not satisfied, so he lives in a
fantasy world. -- True story.
Reminds me of the used car salesman character in the movie True Lies.
@@pamcornelius9122 I think my cousin would even top the used car
salesman in the movie -- he is a "beauty." :)
@@grantp4022 Ha, ha!
Hi Dr. Grande, Thank you for another unique and interesting analysis, I really appreciate it.
After recently enjoying your video on another analysis and introduction of your novel and your One Million Subscriber Milestone video, I’m very inspired by your prodigious output. Congratulations on your unique content, insight, analysis and success, we all benefit from it. ✨🙏✨
Thanks again, take good care and make sure to get a little rest, as well.
Gratefully, Dennis
It's so much easier to follow your discourse in that cool pink shirt!
Did any of the investigations into this person find information about her skin care routine? How is she continually able to pass as 14 years old??
Well they use 20 something's to play kids in lots of American series so people are used to it plus you can't always tell people's ages nowadays. Kids look 45.
😂😂😂
Damn Meghan Markle just living rent free in Dr. Grande’s head 🤣🤣🤣
She wishes. No just good old fashioned making fun like she deserves!
Dang did she get caught in every scam she ever committed and just kept doing it over and over. It seems she was getting caught on purpose.
I’m interested in what this individual thinks of people who don’t believe her. Are they completely lost to her in the same way others are dehumanized before the eyes of an antisocially adjacent person? Do people who believe her supply her narcissistic hunger? It looks like she does care to some extent for the well-being of others, but only so far as an audience for her fantasy. I wonder what the childhood of individuals like this entails.
Trauma. Abuse. Possible abandonment within early stages of life
These are good questions.
You know people believing here feeds her. Probably those who openly disbelieve, are just ignored. She may come up with some way they are further victimizing her. I've seen that a lot. You can find it in the comments, some of these people should have neon "V" for victim signs.
Learned more from this channel the last few Covid years. I feel bad for Samantha. Wondering around lost and sick....
Dr. Grande and his videos make life interesting. 🤔❤🇺🇸
Pathological lying always brings me back to the New Age thought of “the secret“. After I heard about the concept of “living and believing in what you want and you can manifest it into reality” always brought me to think of people that were pathological liars or who have other mental illnesses that brings them to believe something that wasn’t true or not reality based. If this manifestation concept that some spiritual gurus and such push was something that could truly happen, wouldn’t all those lies and crazy thoughts actually come to be under that concept of believe it true, live as it’s true, and it will actually come to be true?
Magical thinking / emotional based thinking is just the language of “womanese”
@@truthsocialmedia - No . Bad , lying misogynist , BAD .
Elliot Rodger also believed in "The Secret".
@@NotChefCook the shoe fits, so wear it
@@truthsocialmedia there sure are a lot of men out there that think that: "it's the man in you that brings out the women in me"? I thought it was the other way around!
Great breakdown of lying. Always learn from your videos, and get a smile or laugh too. Thanks Dr G😊💝💝
The wit is sharpening! (If that is possible?) Always worth hearing and thinking about. Thanks.
u nailed "melbourne" so authentically Dr Grande! 😂 though for an american, I'd say it translates to mel-burn...not mel-born, but you'd still pronounce the 'r'...but if you wanted to sound legit aussie then u did it! 😉💯 ...unfortunately Bendigo didn't fare so well, but who cares 😜 (it's Bendy-go if u were curious)
It's pronounced: Melbn. Not MelBOURNE😒
for you Americans. The R is silent.
You said Melbourne the correct way. Kudos to you.
For anyone wondering how to say it Mel-bin.
".. or Meghan Markle is a talented actress..." 🤣🤣🤣 excellent comment, it made me genuinely laugh!!... does such condition can be help with therapies and medications?... is the person able to understand her condition or it's too much part of her personality to see it?
Thanks Dr Grande
Dear Dr. G an amazing analysis. A great pink shirt. Only you can find such interesting topics.
Your dry sense of humor adds spice and delight.
I knew a girl, growing-up who seemed to get stuck at middle- school age. Years later, we reconnected and it was shocking just how much she seemed to still be frozen in that stage. As I got to know her again, I learned more and more about her childhood. I never asked if she was abused, but I don't think she was, at least not physically and/or sexully. She did say however that her father often made sexual remarks about her 12 and 13 year old friends and that her mother, who was a surgeon and who had coerced the father into going through med-school to become a podiatrist, had put a lot of pressure on her to succeed.
Coerced her father
into becoming a doctor!
Wow. Now that's the
sorta corruption of
manipulation we like,
is to become a better
person. Odd.
I have a friend from elementry school that's 28 and never kissed a girl, driven a car, or had a job. He plays legend of Zelda all day.
I cNt save him my heart breaks fir him.
That's the parents fault. Someone is still enabling him and supporting him
@@anonymousandy2789 you know, by avoiding entanglements with women, especially the legal ones, he's probably better off than most of us.
@Chuck Robinson
“Especially the legal ones” that better be a typo man
Your humour is on point while providing mental health education.
What an interesting case analysis Dr. G! I think I saw a movie similar to this case. Of course, Hollywood took a darker turn with the plot. I agree with your conclusion regarding her being placed in a mental health facility; I think she could definitely benefit from working with empathetic mental health professionals. Your facetious humor is top notch as always doc!🤣🤣🤣 Wishing you (and anyone else who stumbles across this comment) a kickass day!🤘😈🌵🎶
One thing I learned from Dr. Grande which seems to be key here is that indulgence in fantasy is dangerous. People try and reconcile their real life with their fanatasy and its behind many horrible human behaviors because the fanatasy becomes so extreme.
Always constant and interesting content. Thank you Dr. Grande. 🤔❤🇺🇸
I started daydreaming during this video and then snapped out of it when I realized you weren't talking about my wife 😉
I have a non biological family member who was a pathological liar as a child through her teens. Her biological mother died of cirrhosis of the liver in her 30s due to alcoholism. This family member spent time in an orphanage in Washington DC where she was the only white child.
Her lying was very frustrating to my mother (who survived an even worse childhood).
After many years to reflect on this I believe this family member used pathological lying as a survival skill. God only knows everything she endured before she came to live with my family at the age of 5.
As an adult she is honest and a good wife and mother.
Children who grow up in chaotic environments where there is drug abuse, alcoholism, violence, molestation and financial insecurity cannot be blamed for developing survival skills to navigate a nightmarish upbringing. But they should get therapy to help them understand those skills do not serve them well in adulthood and in some cases may undermine their efforts to be successful as adults.
There may be many reasons people are pathological liars but I do believe we are like other mammals in the sense we will do what is necessary to adapt to a bad situation when we are powerless to leave.
I think this is the best comment. Thanks. Maybe her overworked brain will get a chance to focus on something creative (if not interested in having a family). Art, writing a story (s) about her experiences might be a way through her issues if a sympathetic psychiatrist isn't found. She definitely needs to find some inspiration/focus other than the excitement of fooling others; many creative people have, even con artists. Worrying about survival in early years produces all types of criminals, this one fortunately hurt no one; and I don't think she ever would. Didn't know of course. But I'm glad you shared an understanding w/o harsh judgement.
Very true! There but for the grace of God go I.
I totally agree with you. Many children lie to avoid harsh treatment. I was one, but am brutally honest as an adult. Put me back around my family though, and my anxiety goes through the roof, totally triggering fight flight freeze. You are definitely onto something. Thank you 😊
Well that’s true but I don’t take it out on others
yeah, children.. but when they become adults and stay the same and do nothing about it.. there's no understanding anymore.
I really like that Dr grande is an exceptional human without ever ever compromising the most pristine, skilled, artful, correct professional, legal, psychiatric, ethical, moral, scientific, psychological & emotional standards & guidelines while being a most gifted & compelling communicator. Somehow, these tragedies and complexities that makes the world a scary place, his descriptions & breakdowns make it comforting to learn perspective and see how “obvious” these issues and ability to avoid them actually are. Thank you, Dr Grande for being a calming, yet repeat visitor, presence. :)
How common is pathological lying without other dark triad traits? My ex was a pathological liar but also very destructive. That I only figured out after the damage was done. I mean, the fact she also had sadistic motives. It took me three years to figure out and the full exctent of the lying. In the beginning I thought it was harmless little lies, and tried figure out "why" and also tried to help her instead of just leave the relarionship directly which would've been the wiser thing to do.
Yea, no 'why' in it worth pursuing because of: 'crazy'. You were (innocently?) following your second-most important organ. Move on.
@@johnschlottman619 Haha true! :)
Why? Why would just
leaving for good would
have been the wrong
decision?
@@ninajefferson4018 What do you mean?
There is a wise saying, “When they show you who they are, believe them the first time”.
I knew a person who was a pathological liar, and it was causing him quite a bit of emotional anguish. His lies were quite transparent, and always grandiose in nature, he was meeting politicians, members of government secret services, other notable people, receiving awards and commendations, as well as reporting just how smart and otherwise awesome he was. He wasn't getting much out of his stories, and i always felt quite a bit of pity towards him. I knew that he understood what he was doing and that he also understood how it made him look like to other people around him.
Amazing Dr Grande thanks so much for doing this case 🙏I'm completely addicted to your videos and was dying to know what you thought about this. Thanks for your continuously superb content Doc!
Doc. Plz make a vid on Gilgo Beach, Nassau County, NY. Women have been going missing for decades, no arrests have been made as yet. Hello from NYC 🍎
Ummm... sorry Reina, I think his area of intelligent expertise (and clever banter) is in 'not analyzing anybody', not in 'not analyzing beaches'.
@@johnschlottman619 ok
@Dr. Grande: the number u sent me is for WhatsApp +. Is that for Android? Cuz I use regular WhatsApp on my iPhone 11.
@@Reina.NijinskyThat's fake. It looks like someone stole his picture to use as the profile pic. Dr. Grande very, very seldom makes a comment.
@@lisanelke9726 either way I didn’t answer it 🤷🏻♀️
Nice to see a video from you when I’m up late. Not exactly bedtime stories except for people like me. 😁
This is the craziest thing I've heard in a while. And that comment was hysterical.
I know a Substitute Teacher that is a pathological liar. His interactions are with children who either doesn’t care or doesn’t pay attention. When he interacts with adults, it’s hilarious. He forgets that adults are not children and calls him out or just lets him lie , people just laugh at him as they know he lies a lot to look important
Dr Grandes ability to deliver jokes in his dry manner is priceless. Living for it
"How long are you going to be here?" "About an hour." .." no. I meant in the long run" priceless 🤣🤣
Thank you Dr. Grande, one always learns.
Hi Dr. Grande, Thank you so much for your unique and informative analysis, I really appreciate it.
I have two analytical content requests:
Would you please consider analyzing your use and effectiveness of humor while analyzing tragic incidences?
While I really enjoy your analysis, particularly around psychology and also the missing person incidences, would you please consider analyzing the various psychological, geopolitical and military commentary aspects of the film Apocalypse Now Redux?
As always, thanks again for your prodigious output and intriguing commentary, I am very, very grateful.
Kindly, Dennis
Dr. Grande, my mother has been a pathological, liar, my whole life. I'm so glad you're talking about this. My eyes and ears were glued to the television because I've been looking this up and me and my aunt have been trying to figure out why she does this for years. Initially everybody believes her because it's not like she sees spaceships or anything like that., it's things like, of course you know I met this celebrity, or I beat cancer several times, or when her and my dad got divorced, she was telling the whole family that he was a drug addict, which was not true, everybody just has realized that she is a pathological liar, and we just listen, but we know everything she says isn't true. We just don't understand why she does this because she is a genius. An absolute genius, but every time she opens her mouth we know it's a lie. No one in our family friends. No one believes anything she says even if it's true now no one. And no one can figure out why she does this. And I sad thing is if something really bad did happen to her. No one would believe her and that's a bad thing. I don't even speak to her. I haven't spoken to her in three or four years because I can't stand the lies anymore. I don't like to be lied to. I don't like to hear lies, and she has told some whoppers of a lie that it has torn our family to pieces and I'm just done. I think she has maybe one or two people in her life left and that's pretty sad. Anyway, thank you for talking about that. I really do wish you were my therapist. I really do. You are amazing at what you do. I love how you snuck that Meghan Markle thing in there. That's amazing because I'm sure agree with you on that one.! 😂
She wasn’t being deceptive when she claimed the emotional maturity of a 14 year old. She could have a legitimate career posing for Barely Legal magazine. In it adult women are made to look underage and men are made to look like lecherous teachers, priests, uncles, etc
Agree with your assessment and plan. Well done Dr. Grande.
Isn't this the same thing as Anna Delvey and The Tinder Swindler? This is people acting out of boredom and embarrassment. They learn this behavior to escape reality. Just like the movie Catch Me If You Can with Leonardo DiCaprio. Why don't hollyweird give them a call and just save everybody a lot of time.
BEN-DE-GO
Not Bin Di Go 4:53
Was funny to hear it 🤣
I had a pathological lair friend many years ago when i was young and gullible and allowed her lies and deception almost destroy my life ...
Megan Markle roast make me rolling 😆😆😆😆
Well done dr Grande!!
I am so confused as to what she gets from it..? And she's clearly aware she's deceiving
Not sure But maybe attention?
Sometimes it can become a habit. When I was younger, I was terrified of my mom; if I broke something for example, I would lie because I didn’t want to get physically abused. I ended up lying constantly because it had become a habit; almost reflexive. Like I would do it without consciously thinking about it.
Took me forever to break the habit
@10:20 - You kill me with your subtle humor! Love it.
Sometimes I wonder if some people who are pathological liars can actually give themselves brain damage. Like, at first, maybe they know they're lying and they're doing it on purpose, but I wonder if so many years of just giving in to the fantasy and ignoring the truth can actually physically damage their brain in a way that makes them unable to tell fantasy from reality anymore.
I love all your sarcasm, you are awesome!
Where does she get her money to get around like that? She has an identity complex. Wow
Hello Dr G 😁 you just made my work day much less boring 😁🙏❤️ thank you !!!! Your humour is Da BOMB 💣
My mother was a pathological liar. From experience I can tell you that dealing with her was a nightmare. She was the authority figure and she had an extremely bad temper. From early on we were expected to support her in her lies. That's a terrible thing to do to a child because it tells them that reality isn't important, that it is merely a tool to manipulate others with so that you get what you want. Here's an example:
When I was 13 and my sister 11 my mother had a new boyfriend who called around 4:00 every day. When he called one day she had us lie to him and tell him that she had hit her head on the side of the pool and was unconscious. He rushed over and made a big fuss over her. He seemed to like us for an hour or two also. My sister and I got shipped off to my uncle's care not long after that so that they could have a nice honeymoon.
Our culture seems to promote, to put it mildly, an "alternate reality" as being as valid as the actual reality. These days when I see, for instance, that a biological male can step forward and claim to be a female and that if we don't go along with that we're considered to be bad people I think it's a lot like my nightmare world as a child. We are expected to go along with the craziness - or else. I didn't have any choice as a child except to go along with the lies but I have a choice now. I don't go along with it. I try always to be polite and never confrontational. But, I do speak up.
Thank you for speaking up and not going along with the psychosis. Great comparisons. Anyone reading your comment must admit you can't have it both ways.
@@carolynwelsch thank you.
Honestly grow up, stop making false equivalencies and stop shitting on trans people. They didnt abuse you, your cis woman mother did. Learn about basic biology and the history of colonialism before trying to speak on "false realities" in our society.
Thank you Dr. Grande! Very good job.. I really enjoyed this one as I do all of your videos. Thanks
1.2 million subs. Well done. How about a video on one of your personal interests? Your encyclopedic knowledge of firearms would make a good topic.
If someone tells you repeatedly sensational stories they're full of $hit.
Well regarding pathological lying as an "illness", it seems more like a behaviour. A person can choose to do it or not. Is choosing to do it an illness?
Is 'choosing' an illness?
Huh. Neato. Like choosing to be homosexual. Not an illness its a decision.
That’s what the word pathological means - it’s compulsive and they don’t have the ability to make themselves stop
Wow this one got crazy! Never heard of it! Thanks Dr Grande!
Is this a new twist on multiple personality disorder? lol It sounds like Samantha wants to be anyone other than herself, or she's into out of body experiences:-) Maybe she should have tried her hand at acting or politics. Acting because she could have played a wide range of characters. Politics because most politicians are pathological liars. I can't say I blame her, who doesn't want to be a perpetual teenager? Growing up isn't that fun:-) Maybe she took "You can be whatever you want in life" way too seriously. Lol
@Dr. Todd Grande , great pronunciation of 'Melbourne'! I'm not from there, but had a boss several years ago who's from there- and that's exactly how he pronounced it as well!
'Cheers from Hawaii!
Another great one, Doc! Would you consider doing a video on Taylor Schabusiness? That last name alone makes her possibly a good subject. There was a superhero who had to say "Shazam!" to activate his powers. I can see Taylor showing up to confront villains and saying "Schabusiness!" to activate hers. Then the crooks either run away or get their heads chopped off.
Also 3:43 -- awesome. 9:08 -- the Megan Markle part
Law & Order has a damn good episode on this. Crazy