This is why I record every second of jamming/songwriting that I do. Often you get a rhythmic improvisation that works so, so well that it makes the entire melody, but the thing is it's very hard to actually remember such subtleties. If you don't have it down, you'll probably remember a more 'square' version of what you did and wonder why what seemed to exciting suddenly feels lame and stale. It's also why it's so important to rehearse a lot and play in front of people a lot. When you get stiff and scared, your rhythm is the first thing to suffer. When you're comfortable, phrasing flows.
You articulated that very well...I have also experienced this phenomenon, and you're right about the need to capture those sparks as they happen, or else the subtleties that make it good get lost.
This is a great suggestion. I usually don’t do this because I tend not to have the patience to go back and carefully sift through the long monster jams I do before I hit record. But I think I’m probably losing a lot for this laziness.
I’m a vocal coach. This topic is something I spend so much time on with my students. Starting the vocal either a beat early or a beat late, can really push and pull a song. To me, it’s the difference between good and great singers.
Most of my songs get like a few dozen views on RUclips. I watched your video here, changed the beat where I put the lyrics of this children's song I wrote so that the emphasis for the first word of each phrase is on the off-beat (actually beat 3.5 of a swing beat) instead of on the more predictable pickup beat, beat 4, and it made the song so much more fun. It is now by far my most popular song with more than 5,000 views in just one week. Is that the reason? I don't know. But you have a great idea here. Thanks!
Bing Crosby attributed his success to his phrasing, which he said he learned from Louis Armstrong … good on you for bringing this to the forefront … you’re doing great things.
Great video. Phrasing is equally important in instrumental music or solos within songs. And one of the most important things to remember in both, is: don’t forget to leave some empty space. Empty space allows musical storytelling, an endless river of notes becomes an abstraction, which can be exhausting.
One word for this video: WOW! It is somehow liberating to have someone clearly articulate something you know intuitively. In practice, I play/sing other songwriter's tunes this way and I consciously enjoy it - even if the song wasn't written this way originally. It is just the way I sing and the tool I use to make the song more interesting to myself. But for some unknown reason, I have literally NEVER applied this to the songs I am writing. DUH! Thanks so much (seriously, you two are the best, most positive, thing going on social media!) John - Gig Harbor, WA 🤓
I've discovered this channel recently and definitely is one of my top discoveries of the year, and we are still in february! Thanks for your priceless content (:
Excellent video!! I have done this in some of my previous songs. But i've never been really aware of it - or done it deliberately!! It's more a case of a word or 2 that didn't sound right - & the emphasis had to be shifted!!
Great lesson (as always)! One of my favourite examples is S&G's 'Bridge over Troubled Water' where in the verse each line it starts 'late' on the 2, but the chorus switches to starting on beat 1 for impact.
I love your channel, I've been writing songs for a long time, I went to school for it (and I would like to believe I've gotten pretty good at it). But I've only recently started teaching songwriting, and being a good writer is very different from being a great teacher. Your videos have been a HUGE resource for me in learning how to express these concepts in an effective and accessible way.
Loved this! Definitely going to try this in my next songwriting session I really like to start from bar 4 and land on the 1 as a way to shift the emphasis of my lyrics!
Brilliant. I intuitively did this often, but understanding it helps, using it in a controlled way and for polishing existing songs. The things said about dynamic phrasing do not only apply to sung melodies, but to every melody, also guitar solos, piano. The video reminded me of the most beautiful improvised guitar solo, i ever played :)
A perfect example is The Searchers' Needles And Pins, in which the lyric starts on the 2nd beat and continues this way, (even through the Bridge) throughout the song.
This first trick fits better for melancholic lines, to put it on the bit for energetic and the third option I cannot describe yet Thanks! Such a great quality of the vid and video editing and light)
1) use syncopation to bring fluidity to the melody and be less harsh / more softh. Full on beat sounds more imperative / military chant. 2) after the strong beat. "More relaxed started" Before anticipation / hurry. 3) use the variety to change the type of emphasys, and bring more moviment to the song. Ex fire works by katty perry, circule post malone.
Merci for your tips. It's above my pay grade for now, but as I learn the key and fret board and practice, I like to keep this in mind. I'm starting after 65 years old and joking my whole life that I was born with two left ears.
Watching Axl do this live at first I thought he was just mixing it up but then also it would have the advantage of giving more time to prepare his breath. A dual usage.
aside from accent structure's "body language" which is an interesting way of putting it, I like the phrase "downbeat headroom." Accenting a melody on the downbeat is very strident. it's like a splash of cold water in the face. "cause this is THRILLER" "STRUMMING MY PAIN with his finger" etc. In both of those examples, the verse in Thriller starts on the and of 3! "it's close to midnight." "you start to scream" has a long pickup and accents on the "a" of 4. There is so many dynamics in the accent structure, that there is still oodles of headroom left when that big accent on 1 "THRILLER" comes in. hits you like a truck. Same as "killing me softly." on the verse "I heard you sang a new song" it's accented on beat 2, and other weak "ands." There is no downbeat accent until you get to the chorus "STRUMMING MY PAIN." again, hits like a truck. there is a DISEASE these days of singer-songwriters spamming accents on every downbeat. Every 2 bars. New chord, NEW phrase, new chord, NEW phrase, all on beat 1. By the time you try to take a big beat 1 swing in the chorus, it already feels like i've been bludgeoned to death with a hammer. phrasing is an extremely important and robust topic andthis video only scratches the surface!
Dam you are a very good and passionate teacher I wish I could spend 6 months learning from you personally. I have to tell you I used this on a song that I been playing with for years ,I just couldn't fig. out what was wrong with it. (big change wow). But you have to be careful not to use it to much it can become addictive. Thank you
Fascinating…. So if rhythmic variation among sections is a key principle, what are the principles that connect the melodies of various sections within a song? i.e. why does a particular chorus fit better with a verse melody than any other random chorus that is rhythmically different?
it seems to me, not only that controlling the exact placement of words on strong or weak stresses, or beats within the meter give a particular effect. i've read in some books that to give emphasis to words of the lyric, is necessary even tonal activity, with melodic and harmonic progression. Tonally adjoined progression, produces one effect; complex tonal movement, such as when melody is fairly stable and harmony is fairly unstable, produces another effect.
I find melodies ridiculously easy, but I 100% rely on intuition. It's the same reason I suck at lyrics, because I over think it to the point of being brain-dead. Everybody knows what sounds good, some are too paralyzed with fear and doubt to get there. Anyway, rules are programmable. Hopefully emotion is not (perhaps it's just more complex...). It's the only thing that seemingly separates us from AI music.
Good idea to talk about melody. But here I don't hear a «melody» (in terms of intervals) difference. I hear a different rhytmic feel. Did you heard what Lyle Mays said about a melody? It really woth to hear that. ruclips.net/video/kBOOMkqsGo0/видео.html It's such a infinite topic
Beat 1 discrimination! ;) Cant say i agree. Tons of amazing melodies start on beat 1. Sure. If every melody on your album all starts on beat 1 you might have a problem. But beat 2, or the "and" of beat 1 is no better or worse than beat 1. Its like saying a C major chord is wrong and you shouldn't start a song on it.
I’m currently at 2:10. Totally knew she would take the phrases off the downbeat. Less square and more in accordance with the African American music innovation of backbeat. In other words take the stick out let your hair down and try taking your feelings seriously and dismissing your intelligence (rather your need to broadcast that you are intelligent which nobody but your mom cares about
This is an actual good advice Maybe im a bit of a slow learner (or just slow in paying attention to instructions), so i had to rewind and watch the video 3 times to understand it But it is indeed a good basic (and by ‘basic’ i actually mean AWESOME/IMPORTANT) advice Good job, and keep it up you guys 🫡🤗
This is why I record every second of jamming/songwriting that I do. Often you get a rhythmic improvisation that works so, so well that it makes the entire melody, but the thing is it's very hard to actually remember such subtleties. If you don't have it down, you'll probably remember a more 'square' version of what you did and wonder why what seemed to exciting suddenly feels lame and stale. It's also why it's so important to rehearse a lot and play in front of people a lot. When you get stiff and scared, your rhythm is the first thing to suffer. When you're comfortable, phrasing flows.
You articulated that very well...I have also experienced this phenomenon, and you're right about the need to capture those sparks as they happen, or else the subtleties that make it good get lost.
This! Very true.
Great observations. I quit writing down my guitar riffs and melodies for this same reason
This is a great suggestion. I usually don’t do this because I tend not to have the patience to go back and carefully sift through the long monster jams I do before I hit record. But I think I’m probably losing a lot for this laziness.
THIS👆🏽
Makes the difference between what you might hear in coffee shop and what might hear on the radio
I’m a vocal coach. This topic is something I spend so much time on with my students. Starting the vocal either a beat early or a beat late, can really push and pull a song. To me, it’s the difference between good and great singers.
Nick Drake was a master at phrasing…among other things.
Most of my songs get like a few dozen views on RUclips. I watched your video here, changed the beat where I put the lyrics of this children's song I wrote so that the emphasis for the first word of each phrase is on the off-beat (actually beat 3.5 of a swing beat) instead of on the more predictable pickup beat, beat 4, and it made the song so much more fun. It is now by far my most popular song with more than 5,000 views in just one week. Is that the reason? I don't know. But you have a great idea here. Thanks!
Bing Crosby attributed his success to his phrasing, which he said he learned from Louis Armstrong … good on you for bringing this to the forefront … you’re doing great things.
Great video. Phrasing is equally important in instrumental music or solos within songs. And one of the most important things to remember in both, is: don’t forget to leave some empty space. Empty space allows musical storytelling, an endless river of notes becomes an abstraction, which can be exhausting.
The honeycomb grid of the diffusor reflects on the pickguard. 😊
One word for this video: WOW! It is somehow liberating to have someone clearly articulate something you know intuitively. In practice, I play/sing other songwriter's tunes this way and I consciously enjoy it - even if the song wasn't written this way originally. It is just the way I sing and the tool I use to make the song more interesting to myself. But for some unknown reason, I have literally NEVER applied this to the songs I am writing. DUH!
Thanks so much (seriously, you two are the best, most positive, thing going on social media!)
John - Gig Harbor, WA 🤓
I've discovered this channel recently and definitely is one of my top discoveries of the year, and we are still in february! Thanks for your priceless content (:
I am genuinely happy for you .. I remember how my enjoyment of music was enhanced when I found this channel!
I always struggle with melodies, thanks for making this video!
Kurt Cobain was the master of melodic phrasing.
Certainly a master, yes
Kurt was the master of LSD🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your insights are fantastic, accurate and immediately applicable
Great tip which I do by accident as I'm often concentrating on the guitar chord changes then sing on the down beat. Thx for sharing a cool song too!!
I love your singing voice Keppie!
I have watched hundreds of videos of music. This is the first time I was given permission to start off beat. THANK YOU!!!!
Excellent video!! I have done this in some of my previous songs. But i've never been really aware of it - or done it deliberately!! It's more a case of a word or 2 that didn't sound right - & the emphasis had to be shifted!!
Great lesson (as always)! One of my favourite examples is S&G's 'Bridge over Troubled Water' where in the verse each line it starts 'late' on the 2, but the chorus switches to starting on beat 1 for impact.
Yep, phrasing is sooo important! I love syncopating, it adds a lot to the dynamics.
I love your channel, I've been writing songs for a long time, I went to school for it (and I would like to believe I've gotten pretty good at it). But I've only recently started teaching songwriting, and being a good writer is very different from being a great teacher. Your videos have been a HUGE resource for me in learning how to express these concepts in an effective and accessible way.
Pls, make a video on how to write songs with musical note rather than mere words 🙏
Loved this! Definitely going to try this in my next songwriting session
I really like to start from bar 4 and land on the 1 as a way to shift the emphasis of my lyrics!
Brilliant. I intuitively did this often, but understanding it helps, using it in a controlled way and for polishing existing songs.
The things said about dynamic phrasing do not only apply to sung melodies, but to every melody, also guitar solos, piano. The video reminded me of the most beautiful improvised guitar solo, i ever played :)
I love your singing voice😊
Isn’t it wonderful?
good example of this recently would be Alex Turner, his melodies have very syncopated and catchy rhythms
Great tip Keppie, your teaching is tremendous!! Thank you.
A perfect example is The Searchers' Needles And Pins, in which the lyric starts on the 2nd beat and continues this way, (even through the Bridge) throughout the song.
Absolutely golden insight. Shed light on so many questions I've had for so long. Cheers!
This is so great. Thank you for another fantastic video Keppie.
This first trick fits better for melancholic lines, to put it on the bit for energetic and the third option I cannot describe yet
Thanks!
Such a great quality of the vid and video editing and light)
What a talented singer- songwriter you are!
1) use syncopation to bring fluidity to the melody and be less harsh / more softh.
Full on beat sounds more imperative / military chant.
2) after the strong beat. "More relaxed started"
Before anticipation / hurry.
3) use the variety to change the type of emphasys, and bring more moviment to the song.
Ex fire works by katty perry, circule post malone.
That's a beautiful song.
I love your channel! This is so practical and it really makes a difference. Thank you very much!
Great points, I love it! Thanks
Merci for your tips. It's above my pay grade for now, but as I learn the key and fret board and practice, I like to keep this in mind. I'm starting after 65 years old and joking my whole life that I was born with two left ears.
This was so helpful! The checklist analogy totally resonated with how I've been feeling about my melodies
I'm home!
I mean this channel is home.
Thanks.
A guitar beginner looking to play guitar for my songs.
Thank you Keppie. It sounds better like some 2010s mainstream pop melodies
Your consideration videos are wonderfully informative and inspiring! Thanks from northern Nevada.
Took me some time to figure this out, certainly a key tool!
Simply. Rhythm.
Why the hell wasn't I ever thinking of expanding my RHYTHMIC intent, with vocal melodies?!?
Smack me, please hahaha
The first one grooves more and feels better to me. It reminds me of Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers.
Sweet singing, nice and full.
I'm now a beginner and I'll need more..
Great lesson and lovely singing!
Thank thank you so much
Watching Axl do this live at first I thought he was just mixing it up but then also it would have the advantage of giving more time to prepare his breath. A dual usage.
Sweet! Thanks! You're awesome!
aside from accent structure's "body language" which is an interesting way of putting it, I like the phrase "downbeat headroom." Accenting a melody on the downbeat is very strident. it's like a splash of cold water in the face. "cause this is THRILLER" "STRUMMING MY PAIN with his finger" etc. In both of those examples, the verse in Thriller starts on the and of 3! "it's close to midnight." "you start to scream" has a long pickup and accents on the "a" of 4. There is so many dynamics in the accent structure, that there is still oodles of headroom left when that big accent on 1 "THRILLER" comes in. hits you like a truck. Same as "killing me softly." on the verse "I heard you sang a new song" it's accented on beat 2, and other weak "ands." There is no downbeat accent until you get to the chorus "STRUMMING MY PAIN." again, hits like a truck.
there is a DISEASE these days of singer-songwriters spamming accents on every downbeat. Every 2 bars. New chord, NEW phrase, new chord, NEW phrase, all on beat 1. By the time you try to take a big beat 1 swing in the chorus, it already feels like i've been bludgeoned to death with a hammer. phrasing is an extremely important and robust topic andthis video only scratches the surface!
Most excellent!
Excellent advise. Thank you!
Dam you are a very good and passionate teacher I wish I could spend 6 months learning from you personally. I have to tell you I used this on a song that I been playing with for years ,I just couldn't fig. out what was wrong with it. (big change wow). But you have to be careful not to use it to much it can become addictive. Thank you
Fantastic video. Thank you.
Fascinating…. So if rhythmic variation among sections is a key principle, what are the principles that connect the melodies of various sections within a song? i.e. why does a particular chorus fit better with a verse melody than any other random chorus that is rhythmically different?
Nice one, great advice as always. But lord what a killer voice you've got!
I really enjoyed it❤
Thank you love this video 😊
Your a good singer 👍
Great content bless u
Thanks a lot, ma❤
where can I find the song that you are singing in this video please? I really like it :)
This Channel is very useful. Thanx.
Amazing song! Thanks.
it seems to me, not only that controlling the exact placement of words on strong or weak stresses, or beats within the meter give a particular effect. i've read in some books that to give emphasis to words of the lyric, is necessary even tonal activity, with melodic and harmonic progression. Tonally adjoined progression, produces one effect; complex tonal movement, such as when melody is fairly stable and harmony is fairly unstable, produces another effect.
Very well demonstrated
Sounded exactly the same to me.
The first time I heard …growing like a lie. That’s a great line.
Top notch teaching! 👌👏
Plz tell me how to use modes to add new chords in a song
That was a great insight
I liked both versions tho. :-P
The first one is more syncopated and feels better to me.
good, its more expression of the melody rather than the creation of the melody mmm
Liking this 🎸
its a call response situation
This.! ❤️
I find melodies ridiculously easy, but I 100% rely on intuition. It's the same reason I suck at lyrics, because I over think it to the point of being brain-dead. Everybody knows what sounds good, some are too paralyzed with fear and doubt to get there.
Anyway, rules are programmable. Hopefully emotion is not (perhaps it's just more complex...). It's the only thing that seemingly separates us from AI music.
Hmmm… I like 1st one more…😮
show!!!
any one can help to find a lyrics writer and good melody maker for english song i need to create a good song im from srilanka please help me
Cool! ...But doesn't this make the melody less memorable?
Not really. I don't think that's a priority for her here, because it could be fine-tuned, but I don't think the first example is more memorable.
Perfect❤
Its more phrasing than melody
Good idea to talk about melody. But here I don't hear a «melody» (in terms of intervals) difference. I hear a different rhytmic feel. Did you heard what Lyle Mays said about a melody? It really woth to hear that. ruclips.net/video/kBOOMkqsGo0/видео.html It's such a infinite topic
1 234 I don't understand 4:49
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OMG. Tom Perry. Don’t do me like that.
Damn. I did not know Alfred E. Neuman had such a talented sister.
Editing is good but honestly its a little over the top
I love you! Reach out to me.
Why not 'choke me like a vine'
Why not “pour me a glass of wine” or “ why do you always whine”
@@jasonbourne488 because then tbe sgrangling, suffocating aspect of a relationship would be lost
pro-cesses
Melody is Magic. It comes from a place none of us understand, you haven't made a melody. You've vomitted nonsense x
Beat 1 discrimination! ;)
Cant say i agree. Tons of amazing melodies start on beat 1. Sure. If every melody on your album all starts on beat 1 you might have a problem. But beat 2, or the "and" of beat 1 is no better or worse than beat 1. Its like saying a C major chord is wrong and you shouldn't start a song on it.
I’m currently at 2:10. Totally knew she would take the phrases off the downbeat. Less square and more in accordance with the African American music innovation of backbeat. In other words take the stick out let your hair down and try taking your feelings seriously and dismissing your intelligence (rather your need to broadcast that you are intelligent which nobody but your mom cares about
these are just cosmetics. it doesn't make an ok melody great, you need a great melody to start with.
You are not a songwriter !! What makes you think that you have the correct information on how to teach someone how to write a song???
Yeah . . .yrea . . . I geit it, and yet, I find your Channel completely useless .
This is an actual good advice
Maybe im a bit of a slow learner (or just slow in paying attention to instructions), so i had to rewind and watch the video 3 times to understand it
But it is indeed a good basic (and by ‘basic’ i actually mean AWESOME/IMPORTANT) advice
Good job, and keep it up you guys 🫡🤗
😮wow youre voice is beautiful 😍 as you are too ❤ wow im blown away ❤
melodies it's the main thing in a song