How to EASILY Achieve BEST IN SLOT Mods: Marvels Midnight Suns
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Guide fully explaining how modding works in Midnight Suns, and how you can easily achieve the best in slot mods for few resources spent.
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Time Stamps
0:00 Introduction
1:54 What you need to get started
3:00 The Checklist
4:36 Mods Wiki
6:00 Theory crafting BIS checklist
6:58 Understanding Mod SEEDS
9:24 Sampling Seeds In-Game
16:49 Seed sample results
19:17 Crafting cards to skip seeds
23:05 Summary
25:13 How to roll LEGENDARY Cards!
26:40 Final Thoughts
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This is the most comprehensive and coherent video I have seen on the MidnightSuns RNG card system. Can't thank you enough. Yes to like. Yes to Subscribe. Yes to Share. Really dig your content, bro.
It definitely is, but I would advise players that haven't completed the story to not use Legendary Blueprints, and instead disassemble only Epic and lower, save your Legendaries and if you don't have other blueprints, simply craft them - Essences are easy to get, much easier than Legendary Blueprints during story, in end game you get access to more Legendary Blueprints but still you will not always have a mission wich rewards one.
Haha I think for alot of Devs they want to system to be so complicates it seems random. But I agree after NEW GAME + they should let you sandbox the whole game, you've clearly already beaten it and done to initial "intended experience"
jesus you really reverse engineered the s**t out of this. very impressed
i dont know how the heck you figured this out but it is absolutely brilliant. my dyslexic brain had a hard time comprehending this at first but once i played with it for about 30 minutes it just clicked. so anyone thats struggling with this just keep at it and try again and it will make sense. if i could figure it out anyone can. awesome content man. all ready followed your spiderman build and now working on blade. your tips are absolute game changers. i know this is older content but i just got the game and its one of the best iv played in a long long time
Im pretty new to the game. Got it cheap. Love it. Bought the season pass to play the DLC's. Your series of videos on this game are fantastic. Within about 3 days, you had me just wiping out everything on the map with ease. On this video, I def had to rewatch it to totally understand what you were doing. I admit. But this was great. Many thanks.
This video is a work of absolute genius! Ty for making a video about this method and explaining every detail and putting all the work in to do so..it's very much appreciated..somebody tried explaining this method through comments to me and it was a little confusing but actually seeing this video and ur very knowledgeable and informative explanation of every step and aspect makes it easier to understand and execute
Ive been using this method for a while. But I didn’t know until recently that certain mods such as “quick” and “free” were in the same field. I thought it might have been coincidence. But you just confirmed it. This helps tremendously. Good video.
Great video, took a long time to learn and understand this concept.
The hard part is when you don't get Quick or Free for 20+ rolls. All the rolling, rerolling, save scumming and switching characters and cards trying to hit it. Feels like such a waste of time with nothing to show for it. Then run out do a mission to reset the card pool and try again. Suddenly you've found yourself doing 1 mission an hour or two and it just really started burning me out on this game.
Thanks dude! How the seeds worked was on the tip of my tongue, but I couldn't quite understand how it worked precisely. Thank you!
What a fantastic video, thanks for all the time and care into making it (and the spreadsheet resources too)!
Great video. I already had figured out the crafting -2 on seed to get what you want, but I was under the impression that each card type (attack, skill, heroic and legendary) had their own seed pool. This is extremely helpful, informative and concisely explained and demonstrated. I greatly appreciate the knowledge and want you to know your video will help me immensely going forward. 👍👍👍
This is easily the best explanation I have seen of how to do this, thank you.
That's actually amazing how smart and efficient that method is, ur gonna save me alot of grinding, thank you
Just found this vid. Really helped me wrap my head around the concept. Thank you.
wow, your video is amazing at explaining how this system works. Great job and your examples really helped
Dude the discovery of RNG was insane! Thanks
Amazing work!!! I really hope you can help us out with the best choices for the other heroes that aren’t in excel, maybe after storm release 🙏🏻🎉🤗
I can confirm this strat still works. One thing that tripped me up that I don't think was explained is that cards that come modded function similar to a card that is freshly modded. When you get a card that comes with a mod, it's first re-roll is predetermined.
im struggleing with cards that allready have a mod on them. does this mean i just have to consider the mod it came with as the first roll subtracting 1 from what i need to craft/roll?
@@gioquarto1219you can salvage that card as the salvage will remove mods first, so you will get vanilla card to do this .
@@gioquarto1219 If the mod you wanted was at eight, craft six cards, and mod the card twice to get to eight. This is for both cards that came with mods and those that didn't.
Genuinely thank you so much for this. I’m one of the new players that started when MS hit PS+, and content like yours is saving me so many headaches.
This was very helpful. Maybe a little hard to understand with the wording and video structure. But the chart and sheets were amazing! They were the perfect touch and made very well. Thank you for the work you put in for this video!
First time I watched it before tried to mod, I got 50% of what u were talking about. Tried to mod, saw it for myself and got confused a bit so I rewatched this again. 100% understand now! Thank you.
Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for the tip and I appreciate the effort. Well said and done!
Why is Hunter not in the spreadsheet? He is the one I most wanted to look at. Besides that, awesome job
Amazing information! This will make it so much easier for me to get my Free/Quick mods. Thank you. :)
you're very welcome!
@@Channel5Gaming Edit: It's finicky, sometimes rolls depend on the choice you pick on uncover roll but it's the hands down best method anyone figured out, mad respect to you man. WIsh you mentioned that you need to "uncover" the seed on already modded cards, realizing that earlier would save me lots of grief (or maybe you did and I missed it). Anyhow you got a like and sub from me, quit slacking and give us more build videos xD
Thanks for this. I' not going to lie, I did not optimize my rolls between heroes as much as you did so I might need to go back and optimize a bit but I am starting to get the hang of it. For the most part I was just clearing out my coils and then rolling and then picking the best result from each roll based on chance and counting the number of rolls. Once I got the result I wanted I would go back and craft a number of card close to that count and then go roll the last few out. Worked like a charm. I have to get more scientific with it they way you did here but I was still getting what I want without if being super grindy (somewhat). Still got to work on perfecting my technique but I am so not a math guy.
This is great, but why does modding cards or modding anything has to be so complicated in a SINGLE player game? Devs do this all the time. Just let the player pick the mod directly. Like they actively don't want you to have fun or something. I hate this type of RNG leveling in solo games.
People like us are a minority, it seems. Most people like the RNG.
They just want the most $$$ possible.
I guess some people prefer RNG instead of getting exactly what they want… it’s like this:
- Some people like opening up the present more than what’s inside
- People like me want to go to the store to buy exactly what we want (or we give a very specific shopping list to the gift buyer)
It’s to stop/reduce copy paste build. A lot of gaming moments is having subpar ability and win, also, it helps to find new meta as casual might accidentally find an op strat instead of parroting most popular builds just because it’s the most famous on the internet
So annoying omg . I hate this kind of rng becausevif you dont know what you are doing . You Just simply get bad builds. Like the game hate the rng. If you ask ne remove the mods alltogueter . Building cards is more than enough rng sheesh
Great video and explanation of this system! But I wonder, how long have you done that? I really, REALLY rarely get a Quick or Free or 50% damage or one of the other most preferable Mods, even if I'm going in 12-15 seeds Mission after Mission I only got two or three of them. It's insane!
Or do they get more common at a specific point in the game? (just started chapter 3).
How the hell did you manage to find out this? 😂😅 Great job man, thank you
This helps a lot bro. Thanks!
Incredible, Johnny!
Thank you for this information and all your other videos on midnight suns.
One question I have though, can you utilize this method across several different cards on the same character? For instance, if the desired roll is #5 across three separate cards on one character will this method work for all the cards simultaneously ?
Amazing work. Great job
Thanks for the spreadsheet. I've been using all your builds. Any plans on adding Morbius and Storm?
Took me a minute to remember where I heard your name from. Short Circuit was a great movie when I was growing up.
I found out a method very similar to this and have been trying to comment on every mod video I could to get the word out. Glad I wasn’t the only one. Some characters feel like they need very specific mods on specific card to work in heroic 3 but once you get them they’re so much fun. Loved theory crafting to maximize each Hero’s deck.☝️
Hey man, loved the video! I just got the game, how many tries did it take for lifesteal to be on scarlet's no more?
Have you noticed since the Venom DLC, this doesn't appear to work the same way anymore?
Is this true?
@@jaidenschallhorn8009No it still works 100%. I was just a noob at the time and figuring it out.
Great video, helped alot, ty
Appreciate the video so we will have a legendary seed and a rare seed appear in any number like yours is 9. Then instead of spending a lot rerolling just break down the legendary blueprint into common and keep counting until we get to the number that appears for the legendary seed. Like, stop rerolling at 7 then open the predetermined seed which Is 8 then the number 9 will be legendary. That's the whole concept right thank you
This👏is👏bloody👏brilliant!!!
Also show us that build vid. Aces
Nicely job!
My head is spinning... What I definitely got was that I should stop hoarding Gamma Coils. Thanks for that. I've downloaded the spreadsheet and will evaluate it to advance my cards. I had decided to wait until Storm was released to really put more thought into the game. Out of curiosity, if you don't mind saying, what level do you play the game at? Thanks again for all your work!
This went way over my head but even knowing that certain mods conflict with certain effects will help alot
New here. Didn’t know this game was this deep
Thanks for the hard work, I think I got the hang of it even though english is not my mother language !
My only question is : how do you get back to seed 1 when you, let's say, got a seed 9 skill for a card ?
Thank god I watched the whole video before unlocking the mod feature, I hate wasting ressources
THIS FREAKING WORKS. AMAZING. I was so happy to see quick and free consistently! Is there a way to not to move up the seed?
This reminds me of monster hunter world deco farming lol. Going on missions move the seed by 1 1 2 repeatedly.
Great explanation and visual guide
Very smart! Thanks
Do you have to use a card that hasn’t been modded yet or can you use a pre modded card ? Great video this whole system hasn’t been explained well at all by any other content creator. Also could you make a video on best ways to farm all the different mats ?
You can use a card that has been modded already yes! IF the card hasn't been modded you just have to remember that you need ONE roll to uncover the hidden choice attached to the card. So if your 7th seed is the mod you want, you craft 5, so 6 can uncover and 7 can roll what you want!
In terms of farming materials. I don't think a video is necessary. Generally my rule of thumb is to just farm Legendary blueprints, and credits missions. The amount of gamma coils that will pile up in your inventory. Just dismantling those cards will give you more than enough essences. If you happen to be really low on essenses, just run the missions that give 200 of each for a while. That should do the trick!
@@Channel5Gaming thank you so much I love your content can’t wait to see your ghost rider he is my favorite character by far
Because I’m not smart I want to make sure I got this right. Assuming I have the Materials to look ahead. I need to look and see how many time I need to roll mods on a card to get my desired mod. Then I need to reload the save and craft ,for example 2 cards (if it took 4 rolls to get my desired mod). Then roll once to get the predetermined mod and on the second roll I should have the desired mod. Does this sound correct? Or am I dumb? Lol
I have a question. Is it always in the same slot? For example if a Legendary mod like Free appears as choice 1 if I roll to that seed on a different card will the Legendary mod always be choice 1?
sweet spreads!
Hi just a quick question. So we craft cards instead or rolling to go through the seeds. What if instead of crafting, we obtain cards through intel or gamma coil? Say 2 cards gained from intel is equivalent to crafting 2 cards?
If thats the case, what about gamma coil rolls? would revealing 5 cards be equivalent to crafting 5 cards, or just choosing 2 cards from gamma coil is what counts?
just wondering lmao
Also, how do you know which mods are grouped together?
like Move +1 and Free. Counter and Strenghtened etc
I answer your question at about 19:20 in the video. For whatever reason opening up coils doesn't advanced the seed. I do believe however they advance or scramble the seed when you AQUIRE them. So the moment the game generates the coils, it seems to advance the seed. Which would be in the morning after a rest or a mission. In terms of acquiring cards from Intel, I have not tested that as I don't generally send out heroes on OPs anymore.
In terms of the grouping of mods. I do not have a clear list. But the knowledge was acquired by the seed sampling as shown in the video. Basically if the 7th roll gives you +1 move on one card, but Free on another. We now know that these 2 rolls are groups together for that particular type of seed or rarity. I suppose If I simply seed sampled across 10+ cards, I could indefinitely discover what all possible rolls for a particular seed rarity are. But I generally stick to the method of testing 10-20 seeds ahead on 2-3 cards, and simply end up seeing what I want. Then use card crafting to skip rolls. So I don't really NEED to know what the groupings are, if i'm rolling successfully to begin with.
-Hope that helps!
I love this your the best
Much appreciated
thats really smart im not sure if it still works 9 months later but ill diff try it.
Brilliant!!
you are a saint!
I saw another RUclipsr say they patched this, but I cannot find anywhere where it says this doesn't work anymore other than that video. How would they even "patch" this? Any truth to that? Would I be wasting my time starting this at this point?
can confirm as of 2/22/2024 this works and has not been patched out
just a wonder if you know if this has changed at all over the last year? and if you need to have certain upgrades in the forge before some mods will appear?
Has this been patched? I got +1 move on my 4th roll and I never got free or +1 move again on a similar card after I save and reload the first time
Thank you for this video, that explains a lot about the whole modding system.
But the thing that is missing in this video, for me:
The whole basis of making use of those "rare/legendary" seeds is that you have to know which mods actually are "rare" or "legendary".
In the video you mentioned Quick and Free as 2 legendary ones, but is there a list somewhere which mods are in which category?
For example, in all my mod rolls, i ever only gotten "knockback" once on a card (Captain Marvels Knee Strike), i guess Knockback is really extremely rare and part of the "legendary" category?
Unfortunately I couldn't find a resource that shows the seed roll categories, but as I mentioned in the video. The Epic and Legendary seeds seem to have TINY roll pools compared to the more common ones. You mentioned knockback, which I believe is "rare" but it won't roll into something like Quick. I do know however FORCEFUL KNOCKBACK is in the same category as Quick. Therefor is you see forceful knockback, and take it. Next time it comes up it will likely roll Quick instead.
This is why I mentioned doing 3-4 card samples, because if you say came across "knockback" on your 5th roll into the seed. You can test on 3 other cards and see what OTHER options roll in that same category. With enough testing, I suppose we could in fact write down all the potential roll options for a particular rarity.
The important thing to take from the sampling of 3-4 cards, is that you will likely find at least 1 or 2 rare or legendary options in a seed number. From there you've locked in a golden choice for SOMETHING.
What I can offer, is my knowledge of "red flags". When I come across things such as: +1 move, forceful knockback, those tend to roll into Free, Quick or 50% damage. When I see anything with 2 in front, such as gain 2 resist, apply 2 mark, etc.. I know those can roll into the amazing +2 heroism. But the pool seems to be slightly larger, so I just look for 2's and pray to the RNG gods when trying on a card I need 2 heroism on.
is the bonus on the card random within the seed, or are those pre-determined as well?
This is not working for me. Do you need to have any of the expansions?
Anyone have a filled out sheet 2? It’s hard for me to understand what he’s talking about seeds
will there be an update for best mods for morbius and storm? (and a best build video? ^_^ )
What mods share a pool with Quick in the same way Free shares with +1 move? looking to limit the rng a bit more.
This seems like a lot of work. Is it really more time/effort efficient than running missions?
It’s definitely more fun
does crafting abilities to advance seeds only work on PC? I'm playing on PS5, and I'm doing what seems to be the same as what you show in your video and it's not advancing the seed
trying to get 2 Heroism on Spider Sense. I checked it out and +2 Heroism is on the 6th roll
I tried crafting 4 abilities, upgrade one then give ability, +2 Heroism is 6 rolls away still
I tried crafting 5 abilities, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away
I tried crafting 5 abilities, upgrade one and give it an ability, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away
I tried crafting 4 abilities, upgrade both, gave both abilities, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away
I tried everything in the video, as well, and has no effect on my PS5 game. I assumed I was just not following it correctly, but maybe the console has a different method of number generation than a PC.
@@xthatwhiteguyx I actually figured it out. You can't bring it to one roll away. You can do this method to where you're 2 rolls away from what you want
@@mitchlacasse361 Orly? I have tried crafting multiple cards, and it's had no effect on my 'seeds.'
So back to me not knowing what I'm doing.
So I’m confused how to restart the progression sequence of the seed (not scrambling) in order to get the desired mod, like if I get another from the same pool. For example what you were saying, I want the get strength on KO but get counter on KO instead.
So I pick that mod because it will guarantee I get the desired mod from the same pool when I encounter the seed again in the progression sequence. But how do I do that?
Is this when I should be saving and reloading my game so my “seed progression” goes back to zero? So I can craft cards from there in the specific number the epic or legendary mod is sitting in? Like when do I save and reload to go back to the beginning vs progression up the seed?
You progress up the seed when you have the thing that you want.
In the case here, what's happened is that once you reset your seed by doing a mission and going to the next day, you can start this again from zero. If you find an On KO Gain Counter, you have a pretty good shot that it'll be Strengthen instead for that Quick Swipe.
I added a second mod to a card and it doesn’t read on the card or on the side when I view the card. Is that normal on the second mod?
Very impressive
Great Video man. But I couldn't understand the saving mechanic. Can you/anyone explain that to me?? How to save and load to minimize the consumption of credits?
Does the buying abilities method works on PS?
this helps a lot but it's still kind of confusing I got a new ghost rider straight to hell card wanted to try to get free on it 12 rolls in I got free so I tried what you said on another card I already had scarlet witch hex mark and 12 rolls in I got free on that one to so I made a total of 15 common cards just so I can have free on hex mark and straight to hell I don't how but you're method is kind of able to pass mods to other cards you want those mods on?
Based on your description. You said Free showed up 12 rolls in. That means your 12th seed is the "legendary seed". You then crafted 15 cards. Each card crafted advanced the seed by 1, a crafted card counts as a roll. So your 12th crafted card stole the "free" seed, and you continued to pass it 3 more seeds to 15.
What you should have done was crafted 10 cards, the 11th seed was to uncover the pre-determined seed attached the the card, then the 12th would be the Free you were looking for. So you would have by passed 10 rolls worth of credits by crafting 10 cards. But you crafted too many.
As mentioned in the video, make sure you don't have gamma coils piled up, it will bug out the ability to skip seeds by crafted cards.
Helpful 💯
Does this still work because I'm trying it and not getting the same results.
I’m getting that same issue it seems to not advance the seed predictably when I craft cards
If this is the easy way I'm terrified to see the other way
I think I just witnessed magic.
I use this for my invisible build, so yes I normally run calm spirit with is
I guess this is better to do in the late game when you already have the cards and decks you want, right? I can't see the point on doing this early, especially when you don't have that many resources.
Genius
damn this is big brain stuff...
Me I dunno know this seems like a huge time and resource investment... gets to staggered seed manipulation... OKAY YOU GOT ME!
I was fine watching the video, but when you got to page 2 of the file, around 8:30, i got completely lost... anyway, i hoped it would be much easier. I dont need perfect rolls, I'll just spend ressources on many cards, load my save and spend only on the cards that got good rolls. The Rng isn't that random, its sequential.
if it took you 10 tries to get the mod ability you want on that card, reload your save file, craft 8 random ability cards from the forge, go back to the card you want modded, mod it twice and it should pop up then.
Nothing seems to advance the seed anymore except for rerolling the mods the normal way. Also the seed is fixed to the name of the card, not the individual card. Doing a mission and opening the coil seems to scramble the seed though.
Do you have coils stacked up? That causes issues
@@Channel5Gaming No coils at all
@@Channel5Gaming you need to make another video about re-rolling the mods because the developers seem to have fixed these with the Deadpool, Morbius and Venom DLC.
I've only started to play the game recently. I tried following the video but I just could not roll quick and free on my skill cards. I tried it with deadly grounds and other hero's skill cards, but so far I've not been successful. Am I doing something wrong or has the game mechanics changed?
blame the random number generator on that. many times, the quick or the free just wont pop up. it seems to change with each card after each day after you go on a mission. keep trying on other ability cards and see if that works too. yes, i know thats a lot of tedius work
does this still work? cuz i found a legendary mod on one of my venom cards on the 5th roll so i re-loaded my game and advanced the "seeds" so i could get a legendary mod for my legendary venom card but it would not give me the legendary seed?!
For me crafting a card does not work to move along seed.
Has this been patched out? Cant get it to work at all. 2000 plus coins, and multiple tries. No free or quick mods to be seen.
OKay, finally after hours of REWATCHING this ENTIRE video printing out and REREADING both the google doc and wiki mod page I was able to get this to work. Successfully got quick on both reaper cards and +1bleed on strike for Blade. As of 02/19/23 this does work and a HUGE thank you to Channel5 who scienced the heck out of this! Duh me. lol
@@HomercidelRage07 Can you tell me what was the issue, because I have the same problem, I tried both with modded and unmodded cards, I make sure I have no coils, I check the seed until I see the mod I want, I reload, craft cards, come to mod station, uncover first locked mod, and seed isn't advanced at all. Any ideas ? (I am on PC oh and I do have deadpool DLC maybe it's that?)
My question is how do you have SO much essence?!
Wanna make sure I understand this before I make a midnight? Son's video, basically every 9th reroll on a card is a guaranteed extremely rare ability?
Maybe is too late but hope u can help me,you have to roll the card that u want up to 9 times to see if the mod that u want comes up,and if it does,then see on another card that u want u can get something else? Is that it?
Then,what if i don't get anything in the first step?
You don’t see another card, because it will ruin the order if you do that. For example, if you found one card has your desired mod after 9 tries, go craft 7 cards right away. You only want to see another card after you get your desired mod on your first card because crafting cards push mod orders of all cards. If you go check on other cards before getting you wanted first card, you are not going to get the mod you want after 7th tries.
If you don’t get anything you want on the first step, go play a game, it will reset the mod list when you comeback so you can repeat the first step
23:07 Bravo💐🌺
Does this still work?
This is mostly making sense except the uncovering part.
If you have a seed you want on say seed 4. Why craft 2 then uncover one? The things youre crafting are only going to be discarded anyways. Why cant you just craft 3 things instead and then discard all 3?
It looked like in the video your chaos reigns was already modded, so you weren't uncovering, you were rerolling, right? Which can be substituted for a craft?
You have to mod the card once BEFORE the seed you want because the mods within the card are set in stone. The card doesn't pull from the seed until after its been rolled.
So if the seed you want is 4, only craft 2 cards to advance the seed to 2. Then mod to uncover the current selection and advance to 3. Then mod again to acquire the 4th seed selection.
@@Kenz305 ahhhh right so whilst it skips the seed it doesn't regen from where they were at until one is done. Totally makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up mate :)
@@Kenz305 I see your edit - it looks to me that the card in the video was already modded though. I get the must mod it once as that's in the video. I guess my question is more about cards that already have a mod on?
@@danewatts7659 Its the same either way. Had to change my phrasing there.
At 12:50 you claim its the ninth seed but it's actually the seventh
Why isn’t this working ??
We are gonna get a character pack two with black panther she hulk and the two others i dont know :D
Call to arms mod with +2 heroism gives you 4 immediately
This game is actually kind of hard. At least too me. I never played strategy games like this before ever.