This is the most comprehensive and coherent video I have seen on the MidnightSuns RNG card system. Can't thank you enough. Yes to like. Yes to Subscribe. Yes to Share. Really dig your content, bro.
It definitely is, but I would advise players that haven't completed the story to not use Legendary Blueprints, and instead disassemble only Epic and lower, save your Legendaries and if you don't have other blueprints, simply craft them - Essences are easy to get, much easier than Legendary Blueprints during story, in end game you get access to more Legendary Blueprints but still you will not always have a mission wich rewards one.
Haha I think for alot of Devs they want to system to be so complicates it seems random. But I agree after NEW GAME + they should let you sandbox the whole game, you've clearly already beaten it and done to initial "intended experience"
i dont know how the heck you figured this out but it is absolutely brilliant. my dyslexic brain had a hard time comprehending this at first but once i played with it for about 30 minutes it just clicked. so anyone thats struggling with this just keep at it and try again and it will make sense. if i could figure it out anyone can. awesome content man. all ready followed your spiderman build and now working on blade. your tips are absolute game changers. i know this is older content but i just got the game and its one of the best iv played in a long long time
Im pretty new to the game. Got it cheap. Love it. Bought the season pass to play the DLC's. Your series of videos on this game are fantastic. Within about 3 days, you had me just wiping out everything on the map with ease. On this video, I def had to rewatch it to totally understand what you were doing. I admit. But this was great. Many thanks.
As a person a start tracking and recording on Excel, I knew it was going to be serious and I was not disappointed. Great job. I just came back to the game to get some trophies but this adds a whole new element!
Ive been using this method for a while. But I didn’t know until recently that certain mods such as “quick” and “free” were in the same field. I thought it might have been coincidence. But you just confirmed it. This helps tremendously. Good video.
This was very helpful. Maybe a little hard to understand with the wording and video structure. But the chart and sheets were amazing! They were the perfect touch and made very well. Thank you for the work you put in for this video!
This video is a work of absolute genius! Ty for making a video about this method and explaining every detail and putting all the work in to do so..it's very much appreciated..somebody tried explaining this method through comments to me and it was a little confusing but actually seeing this video and ur very knowledgeable and informative explanation of every step and aspect makes it easier to understand and execute
Awesome content! Loving this game and your whole series on it! Its one of those videos you have to watch and then try it out to make it fully click, but the time and effort that went into reverse engineering this is amazing. Quick question though and not sure if I missed it, but is there somewhere you explain which mods to select that will force another mod to pop up next time its rolled?
Yeah I explained it somewhere. If your playing on pc just download the no bad mods mod. Modifies the game to give you no more trash mods. Makes the process a bit quicker these days.
Great video, took a long time to learn and understand this concept. The hard part is when you don't get Quick or Free for 20+ rolls. All the rolling, rerolling, save scumming and switching characters and cards trying to hit it. Feels like such a waste of time with nothing to show for it. Then run out do a mission to reset the card pool and try again. Suddenly you've found yourself doing 1 mission an hour or two and it just really started burning me out on this game.
Thanks for this. I' not going to lie, I did not optimize my rolls between heroes as much as you did so I might need to go back and optimize a bit but I am starting to get the hang of it. For the most part I was just clearing out my coils and then rolling and then picking the best result from each roll based on chance and counting the number of rolls. Once I got the result I wanted I would go back and craft a number of card close to that count and then go roll the last few out. Worked like a charm. I have to get more scientific with it they way you did here but I was still getting what I want without if being super grindy (somewhat). Still got to work on perfecting my technique but I am so not a math guy.
Appreciate the video so we will have a legendary seed and a rare seed appear in any number like yours is 9. Then instead of spending a lot rerolling just break down the legendary blueprint into common and keep counting until we get to the number that appears for the legendary seed. Like, stop rerolling at 7 then open the predetermined seed which Is 8 then the number 9 will be legendary. That's the whole concept right thank you
I saw another RUclipsr say they patched this, but I cannot find anywhere where it says this doesn't work anymore other than that video. How would they even "patch" this? Any truth to that? Would I be wasting my time starting this at this point?
does crafting abilities to advance seeds only work on PC? I'm playing on PS5, and I'm doing what seems to be the same as what you show in your video and it's not advancing the seed trying to get 2 Heroism on Spider Sense. I checked it out and +2 Heroism is on the 6th roll I tried crafting 4 abilities, upgrade one then give ability, +2 Heroism is 6 rolls away still I tried crafting 5 abilities, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away I tried crafting 5 abilities, upgrade one and give it an ability, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away I tried crafting 4 abilities, upgrade both, gave both abilities, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away
I tried everything in the video, as well, and has no effect on my PS5 game. I assumed I was just not following it correctly, but maybe the console has a different method of number generation than a PC.
@@xthatwhiteguyx I actually figured it out. You can't bring it to one roll away. You can do this method to where you're 2 rolls away from what you want
Because I’m not smart I want to make sure I got this right. Assuming I have the Materials to look ahead. I need to look and see how many time I need to roll mods on a card to get my desired mod. Then I need to reload the save and craft ,for example 2 cards (if it took 4 rolls to get my desired mod). Then roll once to get the predetermined mod and on the second roll I should have the desired mod. Does this sound correct? Or am I dumb? Lol
Great video and explanation of this system! But I wonder, how long have you done that? I really, REALLY rarely get a Quick or Free or 50% damage or one of the other most preferable Mods, even if I'm going in 12-15 seeds Mission after Mission I only got two or three of them. It's insane! Or do they get more common at a specific point in the game? (just started chapter 3).
just a wonder if you know if this has changed at all over the last year? and if you need to have certain upgrades in the forge before some mods will appear?
Thanks for the hard work, I think I got the hang of it even though english is not my mother language ! My only question is : how do you get back to seed 1 when you, let's say, got a seed 9 skill for a card ?
Nothing seems to advance the seed anymore except for rerolling the mods the normal way. Also the seed is fixed to the name of the card, not the individual card. Doing a mission and opening the coil seems to scramble the seed though.
@@Channel5Gaming you need to make another video about re-rolling the mods because the developers seem to have fixed these with the Deadpool, Morbius and Venom DLC.
Hi just a quick question. So we craft cards instead or rolling to go through the seeds. What if instead of crafting, we obtain cards through intel or gamma coil? Say 2 cards gained from intel is equivalent to crafting 2 cards? If thats the case, what about gamma coil rolls? would revealing 5 cards be equivalent to crafting 5 cards, or just choosing 2 cards from gamma coil is what counts? just wondering lmao Also, how do you know which mods are grouped together? like Move +1 and Free. Counter and Strenghtened etc
I answer your question at about 19:20 in the video. For whatever reason opening up coils doesn't advanced the seed. I do believe however they advance or scramble the seed when you AQUIRE them. So the moment the game generates the coils, it seems to advance the seed. Which would be in the morning after a rest or a mission. In terms of acquiring cards from Intel, I have not tested that as I don't generally send out heroes on OPs anymore. In terms of the grouping of mods. I do not have a clear list. But the knowledge was acquired by the seed sampling as shown in the video. Basically if the 7th roll gives you +1 move on one card, but Free on another. We now know that these 2 rolls are groups together for that particular type of seed or rarity. I suppose If I simply seed sampled across 10+ cards, I could indefinitely discover what all possible rolls for a particular seed rarity are. But I generally stick to the method of testing 10-20 seeds ahead on 2-3 cards, and simply end up seeing what I want. Then use card crafting to skip rolls. So I don't really NEED to know what the groupings are, if i'm rolling successfully to begin with. -Hope that helps!
I was fine watching the video, but when you got to page 2 of the file, around 8:30, i got completely lost... anyway, i hoped it would be much easier. I dont need perfect rolls, I'll just spend ressources on many cards, load my save and spend only on the cards that got good rolls. The Rng isn't that random, its sequential.
if it took you 10 tries to get the mod ability you want on that card, reload your save file, craft 8 random ability cards from the forge, go back to the card you want modded, mod it twice and it should pop up then.
OKay, finally after hours of REWATCHING this ENTIRE video printing out and REREADING both the google doc and wiki mod page I was able to get this to work. Successfully got quick on both reaper cards and +1bleed on strike for Blade. As of 02/19/23 this does work and a HUGE thank you to Channel5 who scienced the heck out of this! Duh me. lol
@@HomercidelRage07 Can you tell me what was the issue, because I have the same problem, I tried both with modded and unmodded cards, I make sure I have no coils, I check the seed until I see the mod I want, I reload, craft cards, come to mod station, uncover first locked mod, and seed isn't advanced at all. Any ideas ? (I am on PC oh and I do have deadpool DLC maybe it's that?)
I guess this is better to do in the late game when you already have the cards and decks you want, right? I can't see the point on doing this early, especially when you don't have that many resources.
I've only started to play the game recently. I tried following the video but I just could not roll quick and free on my skill cards. I tried it with deadly grounds and other hero's skill cards, but so far I've not been successful. Am I doing something wrong or has the game mechanics changed?
blame the random number generator on that. many times, the quick or the free just wont pop up. it seems to change with each card after each day after you go on a mission. keep trying on other ability cards and see if that works too. yes, i know thats a lot of tedius work
I dont think this is working on ps5, its always the same pattern on each card but the second you unlock a mod, it changes the whole seed for every other card
@@MitchSmokes you just described why it works. Least from what I remember, it’s been a long time. But if the seeds remain the same you can find and predict what you need and get it.
@@Channel5Gaming right so my problem is that in the video you cycled through 4 seeds to get the wolverine ability, and then switched to scarlet witch and still got the legendary seed at 9. If i mod one card and then switch to another, the legendary seed no longer appears in the same spot. I had a legendary seed at 3 cycles, but when I added two mods and switched cards the legendary would not appear at all.
I'm still able to reload save and get the legendary in the same spot as every other card, but I wasn't able to switch back and forth like you did in the video, I also was unable to recreate the skipping cycles method using card crafting. I went back and tried again using the exact same card I was rolling to see if it would make a difference but it did not
This is mostly making sense except the uncovering part. If you have a seed you want on say seed 4. Why craft 2 then uncover one? The things youre crafting are only going to be discarded anyways. Why cant you just craft 3 things instead and then discard all 3? It looked like in the video your chaos reigns was already modded, so you weren't uncovering, you were rerolling, right? Which can be substituted for a craft?
You have to mod the card once BEFORE the seed you want because the mods within the card are set in stone. The card doesn't pull from the seed until after its been rolled. So if the seed you want is 4, only craft 2 cards to advance the seed to 2. Then mod to uncover the current selection and advance to 3. Then mod again to acquire the 4th seed selection.
@@Kenz305 ahhhh right so whilst it skips the seed it doesn't regen from where they were at until one is done. Totally makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up mate :)
@@Kenz305 I see your edit - it looks to me that the card in the video was already modded though. I get the must mod it once as that's in the video. I guess my question is more about cards that already have a mod on?
It does. I did it last week. One mistake people make is forgetting to clear out their coils. As mentioned in the video. Stacked coils prevent this from working for some reason.
It might it’s a bit finicky, some people claimed it didn’t work when it still worked. However. I’d recommend goi g to nexus mods and just downloading the mod for modding cards. Basically they made it so only the good stuff rolls reducing the time sink and frustration of fishing for what you want.
heres a strategy i used using this video as a base that im still using as of april 2024: 1. works best if its a card that was already modded aka from a gamma coil or from a hero op. it doesnt seem to work as well if you crafted the card yourself. 2. starting from an already modded card, say for examble you want to get a quick on captain america brooklyn handshake and it took you 10 tries to get it. reload your latest file so you can get all of your credits back. 3. if it took you 10 tries to get that quick, subtract 2 from that number which gets you 8, meaning you craft 8 random abilities from the forge. 4. go back and apply mods to that brooklyn handshake and within 2 tries, you should get that quick on brooklyn handshake. burn those 8 randomly crafted cards to get those essence back because you dont need it anymore.
@@keyblader2k6 Thanks Key. Indeed I was thinking it was my mistake when it did not work. I was thinking I was messing up on the part of the draw that count as a seed but the mod is random. But doing as you described it works. Craft first and stop 2 less then go apply mod 2 times.
@@Channel5Gaming Thanks for the video it is very informative. Although it might have changed as keyblader2k6 pointed out. The basis for the method is well explained on your video and it seems now we need to follow the order of crafting minus 2. Would it be possible for you to make builds for the heroes you are missing? Especially Hunter. I looked on other channels and they do not have the in depth knowledge of the game that you have.
i mean i get why some people could feel compelled to play thus way but for me youre literally neutering your own endgame. the whole point of the end game of this game is to min max your characters and push them to their most powerful forms. so say you take this shortcut and get everyone min maxed. what are you doing with them? juat sayin 🤷🏼♂️ ill just roll the dice normally and enjoy the journey
id say this strategy is more for people who want to play on ultimate 3 because on the highest difficulty, its not enough to just have the perfect team composition and decks. the right modded ability can turn the tide in your favor when you need it, basically like the heart of the cards from yu gi oh.
Sad I’m struggling to find a pattern on the seeds. I saw on a different video that it may only be seeded on the first 10 rolls of a fresh new card. (Before it costs 100 credits)
Well, you do need to have an IQ of at least 120 to understand this stuff. But don't beat yourself up about it, you can still enjoy the game without these mods.
This is great, but why does modding cards or modding anything has to be so complicated in a SINGLE player game? Devs do this all the time. Just let the player pick the mod directly. Like they actively don't want you to have fun or something. I hate this type of RNG leveling in solo games.
I guess some people prefer RNG instead of getting exactly what they want… it’s like this: - Some people like opening up the present more than what’s inside - People like me want to go to the store to buy exactly what we want (or we give a very specific shopping list to the gift buyer)
It’s to stop/reduce copy paste build. A lot of gaming moments is having subpar ability and win, also, it helps to find new meta as casual might accidentally find an op strat instead of parroting most popular builds just because it’s the most famous on the internet
So annoying omg . I hate this kind of rng becausevif you dont know what you are doing . You Just simply get bad builds. Like the game hate the rng. If you ask ne remove the mods alltogueter . Building cards is more than enough rng sheesh
Not sure if it was changed or something because I am allways getting random seeds rolling. I need to roll the same card over and over again to get the same result because once I roll a different card, no matter if already modded or uncovering the mod, all the other card seeds get scrambled even without Coils to open. It´s not working for me, it´s allways random.
Thank you for this, it certainly helped me get good mods in NG+ when I had a bunch of essence saved up. Idk if you read comments but I ran across an issue that maybe you could clear up. So I sampled a pool yesterday and found the legendary pool on seed 9. Like you I sampled other cards and found a good epic pool on seed 8 for a specific card. So I tried to apply your method and thought that since there are no gaps between the desired mod pools and I still need to uncover the predetermined mods on the 2 cards in question first, I went ahead and crafted FIVE cards, then uncovered both predetermined mod choices on each of the cards back to back as the 6th and 7th seeds, and went back to my first card which I wanted the epic mod and expected it to be the 8th choice I got during sampling, but it wasn't. I went to the 2nd card which was supposed to be the legendary 9th choice, and that wasn't it either. Any thoughts on what I might have done wrong or is it perhaps not possible to get 2 desired mods when they are only 1 seed slot behind each other with no gaps and no way to craft cards in between? I ended up deciding to just go with modding the card with the legendary mod pool upon reloading and left the epic pool for another time.
I can confirm this strat still works. One thing that tripped me up that I don't think was explained is that cards that come modded function similar to a card that is freshly modded. When you get a card that comes with a mod, it's first re-roll is predetermined.
im struggleing with cards that allready have a mod on them. does this mean i just have to consider the mod it came with as the first roll subtracting 1 from what i need to craft/roll?
@@gioquarto1219 If the mod you wanted was at eight, craft six cards, and mod the card twice to get to eight. This is for both cards that came with mods and those that didn't.
Great video. I already had figured out the crafting -2 on seed to get what you want, but I was under the impression that each card type (attack, skill, heroic and legendary) had their own seed pool. This is extremely helpful, informative and concisely explained and demonstrated. I greatly appreciate the knowledge and want you to know your video will help me immensely going forward. 👍👍👍
this helps a lot but it's still kind of confusing I got a new ghost rider straight to hell card wanted to try to get free on it 12 rolls in I got free so I tried what you said on another card I already had scarlet witch hex mark and 12 rolls in I got free on that one to so I made a total of 15 common cards just so I can have free on hex mark and straight to hell I don't how but you're method is kind of able to pass mods to other cards you want those mods on?
Based on your description. You said Free showed up 12 rolls in. That means your 12th seed is the "legendary seed". You then crafted 15 cards. Each card crafted advanced the seed by 1, a crafted card counts as a roll. So your 12th crafted card stole the "free" seed, and you continued to pass it 3 more seeds to 15. What you should have done was crafted 10 cards, the 11th seed was to uncover the pre-determined seed attached the the card, then the 12th would be the Free you were looking for. So you would have by passed 10 rolls worth of credits by crafting 10 cards. But you crafted too many. As mentioned in the video, make sure you don't have gamma coils piled up, it will bug out the ability to skip seeds by crafted cards.
Thank you for this information and all your other videos on midnight suns. One question I have though, can you utilize this method across several different cards on the same character? For instance, if the desired roll is #5 across three separate cards on one character will this method work for all the cards simultaneously ?
NGL I just bought the game and been loving it but watching this video makes me wish I never bought it😂 why is this so complicated bro. No reason I need to go do a spreadsheet and literally book log stuff. Great game terrible system. Need a part 2 with a more coherent director
So can you clear this up for me, if you still remember, so lets assume im leveling Punch for Steve. If i see quick show up on the 4th roll, does that mean that any card i roll will have a "legendary" roll or just attack cards or just cards of the same rarity, given the same advances? What I think im seeing, is whenever a legendary roll shows up between 3-9 rolls, any card is guaranteed to have that same legendary roll later. Yet when I did some rolling for strange earlier today, tried to get Free for multiple cards, yet only ever found it would apply free for a card, then the mod for another would not be free. Is it Only guaranteed to be legendary? This is despite the fact that whenever I load the save back, it was able to apply free to each card individually with the same number of checks in the seed.
Does applying a mod move up the seed on a card that has no mods? I think you said this in the video but I don't think it's been working that way for me.
@@Channel5Gaming Edit: It's finicky, sometimes rolls depend on the choice you pick on uncover roll but it's the hands down best method anyone figured out, mad respect to you man. WIsh you mentioned that you need to "uncover" the seed on already modded cards, realizing that earlier would save me lots of grief (or maybe you did and I missed it). Anyhow you got a like and sub from me, quit slacking and give us more build videos xD
Do you have to use a card that hasn’t been modded yet or can you use a pre modded card ? Great video this whole system hasn’t been explained well at all by any other content creator. Also could you make a video on best ways to farm all the different mats ?
You can use a card that has been modded already yes! IF the card hasn't been modded you just have to remember that you need ONE roll to uncover the hidden choice attached to the card. So if your 7th seed is the mod you want, you craft 5, so 6 can uncover and 7 can roll what you want! In terms of farming materials. I don't think a video is necessary. Generally my rule of thumb is to just farm Legendary blueprints, and credits missions. The amount of gamma coils that will pile up in your inventory. Just dismantling those cards will give you more than enough essences. If you happen to be really low on essenses, just run the missions that give 200 of each for a while. That should do the trick!
Can someone explain the concept? I understood that if the mod i want is like at 10 reroll, i have to create 8 cards for that champ and then mod 2 times, but i tried and didn't worked
@@ame9725 it’s a fairly complicated process. Takes some experimenting and getting used to. If you are playing on pc I recommend getting the no more bad cards mod. It will just make the modding process less ambiguous
This is the most comprehensive and coherent video I have seen on the MidnightSuns RNG card system. Can't thank you enough. Yes to like. Yes to Subscribe. Yes to Share. Really dig your content, bro.
It definitely is, but I would advise players that haven't completed the story to not use Legendary Blueprints, and instead disassemble only Epic and lower, save your Legendaries and if you don't have other blueprints, simply craft them - Essences are easy to get, much easier than Legendary Blueprints during story, in end game you get access to more Legendary Blueprints but still you will not always have a mission wich rewards one.
Haha I think for alot of Devs they want to system to be so complicates it seems random. But I agree after NEW GAME + they should let you sandbox the whole game, you've clearly already beaten it and done to initial "intended experience"
jesus you really reverse engineered the s**t out of this. very impressed
i dont know how the heck you figured this out but it is absolutely brilliant. my dyslexic brain had a hard time comprehending this at first but once i played with it for about 30 minutes it just clicked. so anyone thats struggling with this just keep at it and try again and it will make sense. if i could figure it out anyone can. awesome content man. all ready followed your spiderman build and now working on blade. your tips are absolute game changers. i know this is older content but i just got the game and its one of the best iv played in a long long time
Im pretty new to the game. Got it cheap. Love it. Bought the season pass to play the DLC's. Your series of videos on this game are fantastic. Within about 3 days, you had me just wiping out everything on the map with ease. On this video, I def had to rewatch it to totally understand what you were doing. I admit. But this was great. Many thanks.
As a person a start tracking and recording on Excel, I knew it was going to be serious and I was not disappointed. Great job. I just came back to the game to get some trophies but this adds a whole new element!
Ive been using this method for a while. But I didn’t know until recently that certain mods such as “quick” and “free” were in the same field. I thought it might have been coincidence. But you just confirmed it. This helps tremendously. Good video.
This was very helpful. Maybe a little hard to understand with the wording and video structure. But the chart and sheets were amazing! They were the perfect touch and made very well. Thank you for the work you put in for this video!
Why is Hunter not in the spreadsheet? He is the one I most wanted to look at. Besides that, awesome job
This video is a work of absolute genius! Ty for making a video about this method and explaining every detail and putting all the work in to do so..it's very much appreciated..somebody tried explaining this method through comments to me and it was a little confusing but actually seeing this video and ur very knowledgeable and informative explanation of every step and aspect makes it easier to understand and execute
Awesome content! Loving this game and your whole series on it! Its one of those videos you have to watch and then try it out to make it fully click, but the time and effort that went into reverse engineering this is amazing. Quick question though and not sure if I missed it, but is there somewhere you explain which mods to select that will force another mod to pop up next time its rolled?
Yeah I explained it somewhere. If your playing on pc just download the no bad mods mod. Modifies the game to give you no more trash mods. Makes the process a bit quicker these days.
Oh thats awesome! I like the deep dive nerding out on theorycrafting with excel spreadsheets though, gotta put your hard work to use!
Great video, took a long time to learn and understand this concept.
The hard part is when you don't get Quick or Free for 20+ rolls. All the rolling, rerolling, save scumming and switching characters and cards trying to hit it. Feels like such a waste of time with nothing to show for it. Then run out do a mission to reset the card pool and try again. Suddenly you've found yourself doing 1 mission an hour or two and it just really started burning me out on this game.
Thanks dude! How the seeds worked was on the tip of my tongue, but I couldn't quite understand how it worked precisely. Thank you!
Thanks for this. I' not going to lie, I did not optimize my rolls between heroes as much as you did so I might need to go back and optimize a bit but I am starting to get the hang of it. For the most part I was just clearing out my coils and then rolling and then picking the best result from each roll based on chance and counting the number of rolls. Once I got the result I wanted I would go back and craft a number of card close to that count and then go roll the last few out. Worked like a charm. I have to get more scientific with it they way you did here but I was still getting what I want without if being super grindy (somewhat). Still got to work on perfecting my technique but I am so not a math guy.
Appreciate the video so we will have a legendary seed and a rare seed appear in any number like yours is 9. Then instead of spending a lot rerolling just break down the legendary blueprint into common and keep counting until we get to the number that appears for the legendary seed. Like, stop rerolling at 7 then open the predetermined seed which Is 8 then the number 9 will be legendary. That's the whole concept right thank you
This went way over my head but even knowing that certain mods conflict with certain effects will help alot
Amazing work!!! I really hope you can help us out with the best choices for the other heroes that aren’t in excel, maybe after storm release 🙏🏻🎉🤗
Dude the discovery of RNG was insane! Thanks
What a fantastic video, thanks for all the time and care into making it (and the spreadsheet resources too)!
Thanks for the spreadsheet. I've been using all your builds. Any plans on adding Morbius and Storm?
Just found this vid. Really helped me wrap my head around the concept. Thank you.
wow, your video is amazing at explaining how this system works. Great job and your examples really helped
How the hell did you manage to find out this? 😂😅 Great job man, thank you
This reminds me of monster hunter world deco farming lol. Going on missions move the seed by 1 1 2 repeatedly.
Great explanation and visual guide
I saw another RUclipsr say they patched this, but I cannot find anywhere where it says this doesn't work anymore other than that video. How would they even "patch" this? Any truth to that? Would I be wasting my time starting this at this point?
can confirm as of 2/22/2024 this works and has not been patched out
Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for.
Incredible, Johnny!
Thanks for the tip and I appreciate the effort. Well said and done!
Thank god I watched the whole video before unlocking the mod feature, I hate wasting ressources
does crafting abilities to advance seeds only work on PC? I'm playing on PS5, and I'm doing what seems to be the same as what you show in your video and it's not advancing the seed
trying to get 2 Heroism on Spider Sense. I checked it out and +2 Heroism is on the 6th roll
I tried crafting 4 abilities, upgrade one then give ability, +2 Heroism is 6 rolls away still
I tried crafting 5 abilities, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away
I tried crafting 5 abilities, upgrade one and give it an ability, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away
I tried crafting 4 abilities, upgrade both, gave both abilities, +2 Heroism is still 6 rolls away
I tried everything in the video, as well, and has no effect on my PS5 game. I assumed I was just not following it correctly, but maybe the console has a different method of number generation than a PC.
@@xthatwhiteguyx I actually figured it out. You can't bring it to one roll away. You can do this method to where you're 2 rolls away from what you want
@@mitchlacasse361 Orly? I have tried crafting multiple cards, and it's had no effect on my 'seeds.'
So back to me not knowing what I'm doing.
Because I’m not smart I want to make sure I got this right. Assuming I have the Materials to look ahead. I need to look and see how many time I need to roll mods on a card to get my desired mod. Then I need to reload the save and craft ,for example 2 cards (if it took 4 rolls to get my desired mod). Then roll once to get the predetermined mod and on the second roll I should have the desired mod. Does this sound correct? Or am I dumb? Lol
Great video and explanation of this system! But I wonder, how long have you done that? I really, REALLY rarely get a Quick or Free or 50% damage or one of the other most preferable Mods, even if I'm going in 12-15 seeds Mission after Mission I only got two or three of them. It's insane!
Or do they get more common at a specific point in the game? (just started chapter 3).
THIS FREAKING WORKS. AMAZING. I was so happy to see quick and free consistently! Is there a way to not to move up the seed?
This👏is👏bloody👏brilliant!!!
Also show us that build vid. Aces
I use mods. Makes it easier to get what I want but I also put mods to make the game harder as well
just a wonder if you know if this has changed at all over the last year? and if you need to have certain upgrades in the forge before some mods will appear?
This helps a lot bro. Thanks!
This seems like a lot of work. Is it really more time/effort efficient than running missions?
It’s definitely more fun
What armor are you wearing on Hunter? Is that one via PC modding only?
If this is the easy way I'm terrified to see the other way
Thanks for the hard work, I think I got the hang of it even though english is not my mother language !
My only question is : how do you get back to seed 1 when you, let's say, got a seed 9 skill for a card ?
Wanna make sure I understand this before I make a midnight? Son's video, basically every 9th reroll on a card is a guaranteed extremely rare ability?
Nothing seems to advance the seed anymore except for rerolling the mods the normal way. Also the seed is fixed to the name of the card, not the individual card. Doing a mission and opening the coil seems to scramble the seed though.
Do you have coils stacked up? That causes issues
@@Channel5Gaming No coils at all
@@Channel5Gaming you need to make another video about re-rolling the mods because the developers seem to have fixed these with the Deadpool, Morbius and Venom DLC.
Hi just a quick question. So we craft cards instead or rolling to go through the seeds. What if instead of crafting, we obtain cards through intel or gamma coil? Say 2 cards gained from intel is equivalent to crafting 2 cards?
If thats the case, what about gamma coil rolls? would revealing 5 cards be equivalent to crafting 5 cards, or just choosing 2 cards from gamma coil is what counts?
just wondering lmao
Also, how do you know which mods are grouped together?
like Move +1 and Free. Counter and Strenghtened etc
I answer your question at about 19:20 in the video. For whatever reason opening up coils doesn't advanced the seed. I do believe however they advance or scramble the seed when you AQUIRE them. So the moment the game generates the coils, it seems to advance the seed. Which would be in the morning after a rest or a mission. In terms of acquiring cards from Intel, I have not tested that as I don't generally send out heroes on OPs anymore.
In terms of the grouping of mods. I do not have a clear list. But the knowledge was acquired by the seed sampling as shown in the video. Basically if the 7th roll gives you +1 move on one card, but Free on another. We now know that these 2 rolls are groups together for that particular type of seed or rarity. I suppose If I simply seed sampled across 10+ cards, I could indefinitely discover what all possible rolls for a particular seed rarity are. But I generally stick to the method of testing 10-20 seeds ahead on 2-3 cards, and simply end up seeing what I want. Then use card crafting to skip rolls. So I don't really NEED to know what the groupings are, if i'm rolling successfully to begin with.
-Hope that helps!
At 12:50 you claim its the ninth seed but it's actually the seventh
I was fine watching the video, but when you got to page 2 of the file, around 8:30, i got completely lost... anyway, i hoped it would be much easier. I dont need perfect rolls, I'll just spend ressources on many cards, load my save and spend only on the cards that got good rolls. The Rng isn't that random, its sequential.
if it took you 10 tries to get the mod ability you want on that card, reload your save file, craft 8 random ability cards from the forge, go back to the card you want modded, mod it twice and it should pop up then.
is the bonus on the card random within the seed, or are those pre-determined as well?
Has this been patched out? Cant get it to work at all. 2000 plus coins, and multiple tries. No free or quick mods to be seen.
OKay, finally after hours of REWATCHING this ENTIRE video printing out and REREADING both the google doc and wiki mod page I was able to get this to work. Successfully got quick on both reaper cards and +1bleed on strike for Blade. As of 02/19/23 this does work and a HUGE thank you to Channel5 who scienced the heck out of this! Duh me. lol
@@HomercidelRage07 Can you tell me what was the issue, because I have the same problem, I tried both with modded and unmodded cards, I make sure I have no coils, I check the seed until I see the mod I want, I reload, craft cards, come to mod station, uncover first locked mod, and seed isn't advanced at all. Any ideas ? (I am on PC oh and I do have deadpool DLC maybe it's that?)
Nicely job!
sweet spreads!
I guess this is better to do in the late game when you already have the cards and decks you want, right? I can't see the point on doing this early, especially when you don't have that many resources.
What mods share a pool with Quick in the same way Free shares with +1 move? looking to limit the rng a bit more.
will there be an update for best mods for morbius and storm? (and a best build video? ^_^ )
I love this your the best
you are a saint!
I've only started to play the game recently. I tried following the video but I just could not roll quick and free on my skill cards. I tried it with deadly grounds and other hero's skill cards, but so far I've not been successful. Am I doing something wrong or has the game mechanics changed?
blame the random number generator on that. many times, the quick or the free just wont pop up. it seems to change with each card after each day after you go on a mission. keep trying on other ability cards and see if that works too. yes, i know thats a lot of tedius work
I dont think this is working on ps5, its always the same pattern on each card but the second you unlock a mod, it changes the whole seed for every other card
it also appears that crafting abilities is not advancing the seeds
@@MitchSmokes you just described why it works.
Least from what I remember, it’s been a long time. But if the seeds remain the same you can find and predict what you need and get it.
@@Channel5Gaming right so my problem is that in the video you cycled through 4 seeds to get the wolverine ability, and then switched to scarlet witch and still got the legendary seed at 9. If i mod one card and then switch to another, the legendary seed no longer appears in the same spot. I had a legendary seed at 3 cycles, but when I added two mods and switched cards the legendary would not appear at all.
I'm still able to reload save and get the legendary in the same spot as every other card, but I wasn't able to switch back and forth like you did in the video, I also was unable to recreate the skipping cycles method using card crafting. I went back and tried again using the exact same card I was rolling to see if it would make a difference but it did not
23:07 Bravo💐🌺
This is mostly making sense except the uncovering part.
If you have a seed you want on say seed 4. Why craft 2 then uncover one? The things youre crafting are only going to be discarded anyways. Why cant you just craft 3 things instead and then discard all 3?
It looked like in the video your chaos reigns was already modded, so you weren't uncovering, you were rerolling, right? Which can be substituted for a craft?
You have to mod the card once BEFORE the seed you want because the mods within the card are set in stone. The card doesn't pull from the seed until after its been rolled.
So if the seed you want is 4, only craft 2 cards to advance the seed to 2. Then mod to uncover the current selection and advance to 3. Then mod again to acquire the 4th seed selection.
@@Kenz305 ahhhh right so whilst it skips the seed it doesn't regen from where they were at until one is done. Totally makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up mate :)
@@Kenz305 I see your edit - it looks to me that the card in the video was already modded though. I get the must mod it once as that's in the video. I guess my question is more about cards that already have a mod on?
@@danewatts7659 Its the same either way. Had to change my phrasing there.
Very impressive
This game is actually kind of hard. At least too me. I never played strategy games like this before ever.
I know this guy burned out on the game pretty quickly, but it would be nice to have a spreed sheet for Storm or morbius
Call to arms mod with +2 heroism gives you 4 immediately
Is this still working? Doesn't seem to
It does. I did it last week.
One mistake people make is forgetting to clear out their coils. As mentioned in the video. Stacked coils prevent this from working for some reason.
I have just tried that strategy and it no longer works
It might it’s a bit finicky, some people claimed it didn’t work when it still worked.
However. I’d recommend goi g to nexus mods and just downloading the mod for modding cards. Basically they made it so only the good stuff rolls reducing the time sink and frustration of fishing for what you want.
heres a strategy i used using this video as a base that im still using as of april 2024:
1. works best if its a card that was already modded aka from a gamma coil or from a hero op. it doesnt seem to work as well if you crafted the card yourself.
2. starting from an already modded card, say for examble you want to get a quick on captain america brooklyn handshake and it took you 10 tries to get it. reload your latest file so you can get all of your credits back.
3. if it took you 10 tries to get that quick, subtract 2 from that number which gets you 8, meaning you craft 8 random abilities from the forge.
4. go back and apply mods to that brooklyn handshake and within 2 tries, you should get that quick on brooklyn handshake. burn those 8 randomly crafted cards to get those essence back because you dont need it anymore.
@@keyblader2k6 Thanks Key. Indeed I was thinking it was my mistake when it did not work. I was thinking I was messing up on the part of the draw that count as a seed but the mod is random. But doing as you described it works. Craft first and stop 2 less then go apply mod 2 times.
@@Channel5Gaming Thanks for the video it is very informative. Although it might have changed as keyblader2k6 pointed out. The basis for the method is well explained on your video and it seems now we need to follow the order of crafting minus 2. Would it be possible for you to make builds for the heroes you are missing? Especially Hunter. I looked on other channels and they do not have the in depth knowledge of the game that you have.
@@nonsided2183 youre welcome, man. hope you get the mods you want/need
i mean i get why some people could feel compelled to play thus way but for me youre literally neutering your own endgame. the whole point of the end game of this game is to min max your characters and push them to their most powerful forms. so say you take this shortcut and get everyone min maxed. what are you doing with them? juat sayin 🤷🏼♂️ ill just roll the dice normally and enjoy the journey
id say this strategy is more for people who want to play on ultimate 3 because on the highest difficulty, its not enough to just have the perfect team composition and decks. the right modded ability can turn the tide in your favor when you need it, basically like the heart of the cards from yu gi oh.
Video was way too long and way to analyze for something that can be explain in 5 mins
I think this got patched recently
Sad I’m struggling to find a pattern on the seeds. I saw on a different video that it may only be seeded on the first 10 rolls of a fresh new card. (Before it costs 100 credits)
This hard to understand when you skipping
Damn it… I watched the whole video and I still can’t understand a word of it!😭
It’s all numbers and nerd speak (no offense xD)
Well, you do need to have an IQ of at least 120 to understand this stuff. But don't beat yourself up about it, you can still enjoy the game without these mods.
@@leobuscaglia5576 hahah no worries. I’ve managed to grasp a bit of it and managed to roll the same mods that he made for his other builds!
Lmao how the fuck do you have that much essence. Or anything. I'm at the end of the game and I got like 100 of each. Best cards hitting for like 400
It's a chore, vs a game at this point
Idk how to explain it but you sound like your nose is stuffy
Has this been patched? I got +1 move on my 4th roll and I never got free or +1 move again on a similar card after I save and reload the first time
I use this for my invisible build, so yes I normally run calm spirit with is
Why isn’t this working ??
This is great, but why does modding cards or modding anything has to be so complicated in a SINGLE player game? Devs do this all the time. Just let the player pick the mod directly. Like they actively don't want you to have fun or something. I hate this type of RNG leveling in solo games.
People like us are a minority, it seems. Most people like the RNG.
They just want the most $$$ possible.
I guess some people prefer RNG instead of getting exactly what they want… it’s like this:
- Some people like opening up the present more than what’s inside
- People like me want to go to the store to buy exactly what we want (or we give a very specific shopping list to the gift buyer)
It’s to stop/reduce copy paste build. A lot of gaming moments is having subpar ability and win, also, it helps to find new meta as casual might accidentally find an op strat instead of parroting most popular builds just because it’s the most famous on the internet
So annoying omg . I hate this kind of rng becausevif you dont know what you are doing . You Just simply get bad builds. Like the game hate the rng. If you ask ne remove the mods alltogueter . Building cards is more than enough rng sheesh
This is not working for me. Do you need to have any of the expansions?
Have you noticed since the Venom DLC, this doesn't appear to work the same way anymore?
Is this true?
@@jaidenschallhorn8009No it still works 100%. I was just a noob at the time and figuring it out.
i think it's patched
Not sure if it was changed or something because I am allways getting random seeds rolling.
I need to roll the same card over and over again to get the same result because once I roll a different card, no matter if already modded or uncovering the mod, all the other card seeds get scrambled even without Coils to open.
It´s not working for me, it´s allways random.
Amazing reverse engineering work ! Thanks a lot
Thank you for this, it certainly helped me get good mods in NG+ when I had a bunch of essence saved up.
Idk if you read comments but I ran across an issue that maybe you could clear up.
So I sampled a pool yesterday and found the legendary pool on seed 9. Like you I sampled other cards and found a good epic pool on seed 8 for a specific card. So I tried to apply your method and thought that since there are no gaps between the desired mod pools and I still need to uncover the predetermined mods on the 2 cards in question first, I went ahead and crafted FIVE cards, then uncovered both predetermined mod choices on each of the cards back to back as the 6th and 7th seeds, and went back to my first card which I wanted the epic mod and expected it to be the 8th choice I got during sampling, but it wasn't. I went to the 2nd card which was supposed to be the legendary 9th choice, and that wasn't it either.
Any thoughts on what I might have done wrong or is it perhaps not possible to get 2 desired mods when they are only 1 seed slot behind each other with no gaps and no way to craft cards in between? I ended up deciding to just go with modding the card with the legendary mod pool upon reloading and left the epic pool for another time.
Does this still work because I'm trying it and not getting the same results.
I’m getting that same issue it seems to not advance the seed predictably when I craft cards
I can confirm this strat still works. One thing that tripped me up that I don't think was explained is that cards that come modded function similar to a card that is freshly modded. When you get a card that comes with a mod, it's first re-roll is predetermined.
im struggleing with cards that allready have a mod on them. does this mean i just have to consider the mod it came with as the first roll subtracting 1 from what i need to craft/roll?
@@gioquarto1219you can salvage that card as the salvage will remove mods first, so you will get vanilla card to do this .
@@gioquarto1219 If the mod you wanted was at eight, craft six cards, and mod the card twice to get to eight. This is for both cards that came with mods and those that didn't.
Great video. I already had figured out the crafting -2 on seed to get what you want, but I was under the impression that each card type (attack, skill, heroic and legendary) had their own seed pool. This is extremely helpful, informative and concisely explained and demonstrated. I greatly appreciate the knowledge and want you to know your video will help me immensely going forward. 👍👍👍
this helps a lot but it's still kind of confusing I got a new ghost rider straight to hell card wanted to try to get free on it 12 rolls in I got free so I tried what you said on another card I already had scarlet witch hex mark and 12 rolls in I got free on that one to so I made a total of 15 common cards just so I can have free on hex mark and straight to hell I don't how but you're method is kind of able to pass mods to other cards you want those mods on?
Based on your description. You said Free showed up 12 rolls in. That means your 12th seed is the "legendary seed". You then crafted 15 cards. Each card crafted advanced the seed by 1, a crafted card counts as a roll. So your 12th crafted card stole the "free" seed, and you continued to pass it 3 more seeds to 15.
What you should have done was crafted 10 cards, the 11th seed was to uncover the pre-determined seed attached the the card, then the 12th would be the Free you were looking for. So you would have by passed 10 rolls worth of credits by crafting 10 cards. But you crafted too many.
As mentioned in the video, make sure you don't have gamma coils piled up, it will bug out the ability to skip seeds by crafted cards.
Helpful 💯
Thank you for this information and all your other videos on midnight suns.
One question I have though, can you utilize this method across several different cards on the same character? For instance, if the desired roll is #5 across three separate cards on one character will this method work for all the cards simultaneously ?
NGL I just bought the game and been loving it but watching this video makes me wish I never bought it😂 why is this so complicated bro. No reason I need to go do a spreadsheet and literally book log stuff. Great game terrible system. Need a part 2 with a more coherent director
So can you clear this up for me, if you still remember, so lets assume im leveling Punch for Steve.
If i see quick show up on the 4th roll, does that mean that any card i roll will have a "legendary" roll or just attack cards or just cards of the same rarity, given the same advances?
What I think im seeing, is whenever a legendary roll shows up between 3-9 rolls, any card is guaranteed to have that same legendary roll later.
Yet when I did some rolling for strange earlier today, tried to get Free for multiple cards, yet only ever found it would apply free for a card, then the mod for another would not be free. Is it Only guaranteed to be legendary?
This is despite the fact that whenever I load the save back, it was able to apply free to each card individually with the same number of checks in the seed.
Too much. Think I'll continue playing the game without spreadsheets or a new statistics phd.
I think "red flag" is bad terminology to use. Its very confusing because a red flag is something negative
Does applying a mod move up the seed on a card that has no mods? I think you said this in the video but I don't think it's been working that way for me.
Amazing information! This will make it so much easier for me to get my Free/Quick mods. Thank you. :)
you're very welcome!
@@Channel5Gaming Edit: It's finicky, sometimes rolls depend on the choice you pick on uncover roll but it's the hands down best method anyone figured out, mad respect to you man. WIsh you mentioned that you need to "uncover" the seed on already modded cards, realizing that earlier would save me lots of grief (or maybe you did and I missed it). Anyhow you got a like and sub from me, quit slacking and give us more build videos xD
Do you have to use a card that hasn’t been modded yet or can you use a pre modded card ? Great video this whole system hasn’t been explained well at all by any other content creator. Also could you make a video on best ways to farm all the different mats ?
You can use a card that has been modded already yes! IF the card hasn't been modded you just have to remember that you need ONE roll to uncover the hidden choice attached to the card. So if your 7th seed is the mod you want, you craft 5, so 6 can uncover and 7 can roll what you want!
In terms of farming materials. I don't think a video is necessary. Generally my rule of thumb is to just farm Legendary blueprints, and credits missions. The amount of gamma coils that will pile up in your inventory. Just dismantling those cards will give you more than enough essences. If you happen to be really low on essenses, just run the missions that give 200 of each for a while. That should do the trick!
@@Channel5Gaming thank you so much I love your content can’t wait to see your ghost rider he is my favorite character by far
wow, just this is just incredible, well done!
wheres the build for the hunter?
No Storm in the speadsheet?
Can someone explain the concept? I understood that if the mod i want is like at 10 reroll, i have to create 8 cards for that champ and then mod 2 times, but i tried and didn't worked
@@ame9725 it’s a fairly complicated process. Takes some experimenting and getting used to.
If you are playing on pc I recommend getting the no more bad cards mod. It will just make the modding process less ambiguous
Anyone have a filled out sheet 2? It’s hard for me to understand what he’s talking about seeds
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