I confronted Kramnik.
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In what universe do you flex your subscriber count to the person you are interviewing less than 1 minute in the interview? It's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering... I'm just dumbfounded...
Shin of pame buddy
4 minutes ago for the pin of shame is insane
no comment … wait
pinn off shamee
Pin of shame 😞
Levy: I'm not going to pretend to understand statistics
Kramnik: don't worry I will
Exactly what I was thinking 😅
One of them at least has a bachelor's degree in statistics by the way. Guess which one it is 😂
@@fdm698levi?
@@rock3657 lol swipe you text. I'll edit that
@@rock3657 It was a rhetorical question, but yes 😅 Also his name is Levy
The attention whores meet at last
Levy crossed 5M subscriber's
Kramnik: Intersting 🤔🤔
😂
Let's do the procedure
@@liketobecalled Ah shit you beat me to this comment! lol
"95% Accuracy" 🕵♂️🕵♂️🕵♂️
It's statistically impossible!!
Levy: How are you the tallest chess player?
Kramnik: I reported everyone who was taller than me.
Hilarious 😂😂😂
Agahahhahaha
0 iq joke
@@user-pc9uh2je2s Agahahhahaha
IQ is not a scale that ends at 0. it's a standard bellcurve where 100 is the average and 15 IQ points is is 1 standard deviation
@@extrams0 are you serious?
Write an essay about this topic
Lol
@@user-pc9uh2je2s why? It's common knowledge. At least for people who 5+ braincells. .... wait, is that why you didn't know?
'You're very tall...how did that happen?'
Grandmaster questions
too tall for a GM so let's do the procedure
This is textbook interview technique. Start the interview with a complementary softball to get the interviewee to relax. It makes their answers more open and honest. The meat is in the middle section.
@@Idiomatick it didn't work
So nice of kramnik to invite levy to an interview
🤣
Dress to impress your wife. Wide pint. Punters.
blud doesn't stop speaking ever
@@OzrenkoSudar well he is the one being interviewed so I don't see a problem.
@@OzrenkoSudar He's a chess world champion, he's allowed.
I finally got it: Kramnik is the kidnapper
😂
LMAO
Calling the microwave police 🤡
Interesting
Was he in princess bride?
"You must be one of ze shortest IM's, tell me Levy, how did zat happen?" 💁🏻♂️
9:56 Levy : "I'm not gonna pretend to understand stastics"
Also levy : **stats major**
Tbf, in statistics PhD is about the minimum at which someone is genuinely qualified. It's not a difficult field to understand the various methods, but their correct application is very hairy. As an example, let's say you wanted to find a statistical anomaly in a series of chess results. You would want a distribution to compare with. What is that distribution? How do you derive a distribution that is appropriate not just for an average player, but for a top 10 player? This is way beyond undergrad stats, it's a whole line of original research.
@@paulie-g Great point! I'm a bioinformatician and have helped to develop analysis methods in collaboration with statisticians, but I'm definitely not a statistician, even though I could tangle with a stats honours or masters student. That said, Kramniks arguments about the likelihood of victory runs is not based in any "fair" distribution. You only have to look at how world-class players of any sport can become "bunnies" for "weaker" opponents. There may be something in the technique but most likely it's often psychological.
@@cameronjack1095 Yeah, I haven't looked too much at Kramnik's output, but I'm skeptical that he's got the chops to develop a workable model, especially for top 10 players who are by definition outliers - I see that as somewhat similar to extreme values analysis, which is very much an open sub-field with very unsatisfactory results so far.
With that said, I do think we need solid work on statistical and ML approaches to chess integrity and that work needs to be public. I take his admonition that openness and willingness to engage with this subject is key to maintaining confidence in the integrity of chess.
Personally, I think black-box ML approaches are probably the answer. Any clearly established criteria, whatever they are, would just result in competent cheaters adapting. I suspect the solution at the very top and everything else are also going to be different. In any case, it needs to be worked on and a demonstrable effort made. You can write off Kramnik as a cook, but every other sport where cheating is possible has seen massive cheating historically, at least until the cost was raised high enough, so it's silly to suppose that online chess, where it is easy and cheap to cheat, would be different.
@@paulie-g I was looking for this type of comment. It seems ridiculous to me that Kramnik insists on understanding the whole thing and keeps saying it's facts. You can come up with a lot of facts but you have to be able to understand what they mean based on the context.
I mean, I'm a CS major but I wouldn't pretend to know much about cryptography or information theory. Chess statistics are a very specific subset of general statistics, and you need to go pretty in-depth into a subject like this to be able to speak to speak on it with any authority.
Levy: this seems like we are in an argument loop, do you agree?
Kramnik: no
Kramnik clutched and saved the loop
@@shashankh7768 Forced perpetual argument.
Technically it wasn't 3-fold repetition
- An argument isn't just saying "No, it isn't"
- Yes, it is.
- No, it isn't!
@@kyriacosstavrinides893 You came here for an argument
25:45 "...now we see hes one of the youngest twelve year olds in the country." well said levy, well said.
His confidence with that delivery though!
Hikaru said the same thing previously as well lol
yeah reminds me of when i was a kid
me: "i'm 6 years old"
other kid: "well i'm 6 and a half!"
I know a 12 year old thats 11
I think he was trying to say one of the youngest GMs now but missed the punchline
*If only Kramnik was this calm and composed online too...*
If only everyone was. Seriously, people are much more prone to ranting and raving online than in "real life" (in lack of a better word).
Kramnik is much more chill in person than I thought he would be. Nice interview!
levy with a statistics degree "im not going to pretend to understand statistics"
this is what every scientist says about his field :D
I didn’t even know this.. I feel second-hand embarrassment for Kramnik now
@@floki3594 It's the dunning-kruger effect, the more you know about a subject, the less you thnk you know. People who are shy of their knowledge are usually well-informed, while people very confident usually know very little
@@koudbiertje very true reason being, those that know more, know what they don't know, but those that don't know anything, think they know everything based on little knowledge
@@koudbiertje So true. Thats how I feel about history. I love history but everytime I read something I realize that I know nothing. 😂
This has to be the tucker carlson interviews putin version in chess universe
Ha I was thinking that
Exactly😅
Both Vladimir’s
It's more like Jake Paul and Mike Tyson
He’s not a journalist and Kramnik has very little power even in the chess world. There’s a lot of entertainment to be had from just letting cranks yap.
Levy approached this interview perfectly. Talking with respect, while giving his honest opinion even if it might make the guest uncomfortable.
Kramnik loves to say things are “mathematically improbable”.
No, they’re not. You left out key variables in your statistics that change what is probable. Everyone seems to see that but kramnik.
That is why you can find statistics for virtually any viewpoint you want to have. It’s because many statistics leave out key considerations and are just useless graphs.
not even graphs..useless scribbles
Governments do it every quarter for inflation figures, GDP and etc….
Yeah. I I'd love to see the conversation between Kramnik and whatever mathematicians he's talking to about it. It's way too easy to get misleading statistics even if the math part is 100% right. And even if you don't mean to do that.
And if he talked to actual statisticians, then obviously this is something they should understand. I wonder if they tried explaining any of it to him.
Don't trust any statistics you didn't fake yourself.
I truly do appreciate how civilized you both were about the discussion despite the opposing viewpoints
Agreed - it is so good to see two people sit together and express opposing viewpoints like calm, rational, mature adults.
I think part of it is that their viewpoints aren't "opposing". I think they both agree on a lot, with differences only in severity and methodology to approach the problems. Levy realized that, which I think is the reason he's undergoing this whole thing, even though parts of the chess community are against it.
@@jeremiahbell6129yep, nobody disagrees that kramnik has a big point about cheating becoming too prevalent in chess, including at the higher levels and it needs to be seriously looked into it, but the way kramnik is doing it is where they are disagreeing
I applaud Levy for his composure but Kramnik’s ramblings and interruptions surely don’t count as civilized
In Formula 1 teams constantly accuse each other of cheating and the FIA actually performs brutal checks most of the time because they know how bad it looks on them when a big cheating accusation is ignored, let alone goes unchecked.
Everyone cheats in F1, that's part of the game. The rule is, if caught stick your hand up and move on. Trick is don't get caught.
they went to Jospam's house and watching him play titled tuesday live because of accusations. They did a full audit on every game Hans Niemann ever played because of accusations. What made you think this does not happen?
@@dessertstorm7476thats a drop in the ocean.
@@rorykeegan1895
I didn’t even know people cheated in F1… how do you even cheat there?
@@abcdefghilihgfedcba There are rules and regulations about how the car must be constructed, and which technology is allowed.
Been out of town, but just wanted to comment on how well you handled that interview and how interesting it is to hear Kramnik’s perspective.
Overall a great balance between letting him speak, and challenging what he was saying. Mad respect.
I dont think his line of thought is wrong. Checking is actually good for the sport
Gotham: “What is your hypothesis in like 2 sentences”
Kramnik: “Ok. I’ll talk for 5 min straight”
much faster than other infamously known Vladimir from Russia
It's not easy or fair to ask someone to explain a hypothesis in 2 sentences. There's bound to be some misunderstandings. Why put that limitation when you have an extended interview session?
@@ChasseAuxHibouxthat's just how we in Russia discuss things.
You see, it goes back to the times when brothers Cyril and Methodius first created a slavic alphabet...
@@madscientist3134 I think very real scientist is able to say his thesis in a couple of sentences. Perhaps without explaining it, naming a bunch of special terms and so on, but it will still be a couple of sentences
@@vovanbalashov dude he was world chess champion. a tier above "scientist"
Levy does such a great job. His attitude makes the conversation very pleasant and he asks questions that let Kramnik express himself.
Levy Approved 💪💪💪
I mean, obviously Levy looks up to Kramnik, much like most chess players in the world. His stance on "accusing" people was shitty though, but the guy is still really cool on a personal level.
We just can't let the Tilt get the better of us.
What I didn't like is that he's walking into this match already with a defeated mentality, saying he's gonna lose to Jospem. If he's got statistics on his side he should say he's winning, because otherwise is argument just translates to: "Fide ratings aren't definite evidence, and my statistical hypothesis was incorrect."
Facts
Hate away at Kramnik or anyone who dare considers what he’s said with some respect and fairness. Online cheating happens and if it continues to grow in competitive chess it will ruin this game/sport for future generations. A lot of people don’t realize: Some people think chess for them is just something they do, but people who grew up with it, went to schools for it, read books and books on it, generations of people who lived lives like this - to see it become potentially ruined by technology would suck, yes. Thanks you to Kramnik and anyone for trying to do something about this, even if it comes with the heat.
Legitimating someone who is on a trajectory to get even more demented might not age well. But levy got clicks.
We got Gotham interviewing Kramnik before GTA VI
a big point that most people miss about streaks, which Kramnik mentioned here, is that the player who had this crazy streak could have played fairly, this means that the players he went against cheated and had their ratings ruined
“You must be one of the tallest GM’s, how did that happen?”
For someone who doesn't have to reach he sure does it a lot
He grows an inch every time he falsely accuses someone of cheating
My favorite quote was " he's one of the youngest 12 year olds in the country"
Right? "I donno, I mean I vas born, and den I didn't fuckink starve, and here I am. Khow you get so much curly hairs??"
@@cgyphan3ufhe would be a Titan then with all the accusations he throws around
Levy crosses 5M subscribers being less skilled than Krammnik. Krammnik: Alright let's do the proceedure
I'm surprised he didn't accuse Levy of cheating at youtube
🤣🤣
Krammnik has much less subscribers than Levy but he is much more skilled.
@@MrTravolta7 That's what I said...
He couldn't be any clearer that he still thinks Hikaru's play is suspicious.
In the 2022 Speed Chess Championship, Magnus beat Caruana 22 to 4. Statistics alone do not clearly explain this outcome, as there is also a psychological factor involved. Stop acting like you know anything.
Yeah: Caruana is also known to be bad at blitz compared to other gms at his level (2750 and above). He makes a lot more blunders in low time control. Elo doesn't tell the whole story.
Then we should include psychologist in the format of verifying one's credibility.
@@Anony492do you seriously think Caruana is weaker than Carlsen by 296 Elo points? That's the difference between Carlsen and a strong IM/weak GM.
If you assume, like Kramnik has done, that every match is independent and strength is exactly the same as Elo, two players of 100 points Elo difference should get that score less than 2% of the time.
@@falquicao8331 when did I say he was weaker by 296 elo points?
@@falquicao8331 bro is tripping so hard
It's such a shame because Kramnik honestly does have good points, but they're all undermined by his inability or unwillingness to learn even the most basics of statistics/probability that would immediately assuage like 99% of his concerns. He wants independent mathematicians to weigh in but refuses to listen to the dozens, if not hundreds, that have done exactly that.
You speak as if you know statistics and know what exact mistakes Kramnik made, and know that Kramnik doesn’t have basic knowledge in statistics. You are probably going to appeal to other “mathematicians” who disagreed with Kramnik. But you have to understand chess to model it in a right way. I have seen Ivy league statistics mathematician mixing data from otb and online ( not knowing they have different ratings). So in that sense given Kramnik is former world champion + if he really has team of mathematicians under his guidance, their statistical results one of the most reliable ones.
@@ibcavid no? Chesscom has more experience with all of this + more people who understand Chess + more mathematicians and they still refuted him. If we're doing full appeal to authority here, Chesscom is the ultimate authority.
Kramnik is the guy who took a Statistics 101 class and thinks he understands everything. And then people explain to him slightly more advanced stuff and he just cannot see anything different. He thinks he’s willing to be proven wrong but until he stops overestimating his knowledge of stats then he’ll be remembered as the stubborn cranky guy who used to be good at chess
also a team of statisticians is useless if he sees "0.1% probability" and says "IMPOSSIBLE"
@@ibcavid I know nothing about statistics but I know that you can't take things in isolation when trying to do probability fairly, what Kramnik did to hikaru is essentially flipped a coin 5000 times and looked at the one time 45 out of 46 of them landed on heads and said "yeah statistically impossible".
Kramnik frantically asking Samuel L. Jackson to assemble the Avengers and fight chess crime
No. He's suggesting that he'd be Nick Fury if they want to. He offered to pay independent analysts.
This went better then I thought it will
Anyone noticed how on point Levy's impression of Vladimir is after hearing Kramnik himself speak?
That's... how impressions work. If you watch Trevor Noah, you'll know he isn't trying to be offensive when doing impressions; he just knows people from so and so country.
@@mikejameson7678 yes, Mike, we know how impressions work but some people aren't very good at them, hence the remark on Levy's being pretty good. Cheers.
That's the first thing I realized 😂
Code switching is a thing
Well, levy is Russian so that helps
This interview is.. interesting…
no it's not. shameless possibly. nowhere close to interesting.
@@davidsleith7222r/whooosh
lets do the procedure.
32:00 the New York instincts kicked in 😂😂
11:55 ahhh, this did make Kramnik look a bit better in my eyes. He wasn't necessarily saying Hikaru was cheating, but his opponents were (fake ratings)
Whats the problem with a possibility of Hikaru cheating? You think it is impossible?
@@user-rh1gk3mg2fhe’s not cheating lmao
@@user-rh1gk3mg2fhis OTB results lately are actually better than his online performances 😂
@@Gush27 Why? How do you know?)
@@user-rh1gk3mg2f Hikaru has made it to the candidates several times and nearly won this time, I don't think the man even needs to cheat lmao
It's so funny how levy, who actually has an education and degree in statistics, is immediately disclaiming that he doesn't understand the statistics of the subject on a deep enough level. At the same time kramnik just sits there confidently throwing nonsense about, without ever even coming close to qualifying his claims from a mathematical standpoint.
Its usually the people with the least knowledge who are the surest of themselves.
It's the perfect description of you. A clown who acts as a master of life who is an all-around expert but who in reality knows nothing, who would like to teach chess to Kramnik. You dropped this🤡
School of Lex Friedman is a powerful journalism
This is really common. I suggest you to check out the Dunning-Kruger effect if you are curious to get to know more about this tendency
It's part of his strategy
@@manuelsparavilla2887The Dunning Kruger effect actually doesn’t have anything to do with this
What he's saying is : If you overperform you should be checked and it should be a norm.
Yes it does, that's why practically every sports has those regular checks and norms.
For the younger players he is also right, if you don't punish a cheater because of his age, you just push him to continue with that mentality (If he is actually cheating, that's why good checks are absolutely necessary)
Is he right to doubt every body including your favorite player? Yes. Just because if there is no strict checks, you can't know for sure.
Good checks are necessary for the public and for every top player, not being wrongly accused of cheating after a winning streak and proving you weren't must be a good feeling after all.
Really great interview actually, I could have watched this for hours.
GJ Levy, u are getting better at interviews, this one was great, impressive job. Thx to u and big Vlad.
I feel like in a way, kramnik is like Freud. Hes asking the right questions and has good points here and there but other places (outside this interview), he's off the rails 😂😂
It's all the rails he's doin in between ;)
@@keitaro373 wait so who's getting railed?
Where is he off the rails?
Great analogy. Nobody has issue with VK’s cause, it’s how he is prosecuting it that is dubious, if not petulant!
@@carlkligerman1981 A lot of people claim Kramnik is simply paranoid and cheating is not such a big problem. So I would disagree there.
What do you think Kramnik does that is dubious?
kramnik actually comes across as pretty pleasant in this interview, contrary to how he behaves online
If you actually watched his streams, he’s always pleasant. If you watch chess drama whores, they just snip dramatic bits out of context and make him look like an ass :)
you think world champions cant also be keyboard warriors?
He is actually a pretty pleasant guy. Watch his youtube channel
@@AstrologiaHumanista87 hes the embodiment of pretentiousness
Probably his language barrier online that makes it a lot worse
I agree 100% with Kramnik.... He is absolutely 1 step ahead in his thoughts. Legitimate gameplay is the most important aspect of online gaming when money is involved. Just checking numbers is step 1.
You agree 100% with everything he says? That doesn't really track
I thought he interviewed vladmir putin
Edit: The original title was I interviewed Vladimir Kramnik. But on my screen it only said vladmir so I thought he interviewed putin
I know it's a joke but bro that makes no sense😭😭💀
someday bro
@gothamchess please pin this lmao
Lol
Kramnik is kinda like the Putin of the chess world ngl
we need some statistics on whats the chance a random chess teacher from NYC can interview a world chess champion
"Is vwery low prhobabeelity, less than zero, vwery very low, practically impossible. Levy should be streep-searched. Is okay, ees perfectly normal, is no problem. Eef I hhad five millions subscribers, I vwould submit, too, now strip, boy."
Interesting 🤐
Let's look at this from a different perspective. There's a good chance that someone interviewing a chess champion will have a background in chess, perhaps even a job in chess education.
That's not to say you're missing something with your joke. It's just interesting how statistics works.
0.04% but if you are a youtuber with 5mil subscriber who will be doing the live commentary on his match 98.6% (I know it's a rhetorical question , this is a randomly generated%)
Perfect showcase of how Kramnik is not coming from a bad place, but his belief that he has an actual understanding of statistics means he has just become increasingly deluded.
But it's funny that people keep attacking his 'statistic' but ignore the main point=cheating online
Even Magnus himself said he believe online cheating is the biggest issue for chess
@@dereknichols4376 Yes, but that has never been a point of contention really. The problem is it is incredibly unethical to publish names of titled players with insinuations of cheating and even if he doesn’t see or mean it as such, to then hide behind the “I’m not accusing anyone” stance is a very cowardly way out in that circumstance.
It's not really about the statistics. Kramnik could be right or wrong in his interpretations. The point is that every game offers opportunity for cheating, and the point is, some people do cheat or have cheated. So, if cheating is occurring then a second look at any game of chess or any chess player is warranted. So then the only question is, under which circumstances should we be alarmed and suspicious? So that we don't go checking every single game or player - only the ones where cheating may have occurred. It's good for Chess.
@@dereknichols4376 You're missing the point worse than Vlad. We all know there is cheating but not how much. Vlad's approach and reasoning is completely unsound. Chess is not science, facts, and probabilities. It's a competitive intellectual and emotional sport. Sure, we can all do any amount of analysis during and especially after the games, but during, they are individual games. People can have extreme moments of brilliance and outperform their best results. It happens every day.
Kramnik looks a lot more chill than before
I like it
Saying something is a fact 100 times won’t make it any closer to actually being a fact
It's the Russian way, bro. That's how propaganda works. If the government does it for 60+ years, you learn to do it yourself.
He brought up a good point, it might not be hikaru cheating but his streaks may be the result in a large number of high ELO players cheating and not deserving to be at that ELO so hikaru crushes them.
But you saying opposite makes it a non-fact? What makes a fact a fact?
@@MrFocusSA math is facts, numbers are facts
you dont think chess has a cheating problem? gee whiz!
This is all part of the Procedure
It is crazy this chess world where people are polite in front of Kramnik and as soon as he turns his back ALL commentators talk trash about him
Kramnik saved us from Levy's stare but at what cost
Doubling down on Hikaru is WILD
Bro’s doubling down on hikaru cheating to beat a streak of 2500’s online, meanwhilst hikaru is at Norway chess literally 1.5 points behind Magnus in a field of 2700 superGM’s, he’s placing close to 1st in the strongest chess event of the year 💀
He is saying that it's either Hikaru OR his oppenent. Just giving the correct qualification.
Ikr, I just have a bachelors in math but when I read his explanation of Hikaru cheating “statistics” I immediately noticed multiple mistakes and reasons which could question his certainty of cheating
@@therealmstoltz7032yeah he is talking about the probability of winning 50 games in a row with taking n=50 but in reality hikaru plays thousands of games so the stats don't have any value.also he is not taking into consideration the mental aspect of facing hikaru
@@therealmstoltz7032levy has a degree in statistics I don’t know why he’s pretending not to understand it haha
Levy: I can’t pretend to understand the statistics.
Also Levy: I have a college degree in statistics.
Does he actually lmao?
He doesn't
Is he even a data scientist
He doesn't want to confront him he is playing safe
@@Patrizscheyes, he does
I wanted to hear more about the important procedure.
Kramnik digging further down the rabbit hole.
it is easy, just cheat, Krammnik. If they don't catch you, you are right
not a bad strategy actually
he tried that already by playing on someone else's account AKA breaking the rules, AKA cheating. they caught him
it's actually not a valid test
I'd say obviously, but Kramnik also struggles with the concept of models not being correct both in terms of precision (% of positives being correct) and recall (% of positives being detected) - not even entering in negatives territory
@@Naa-ee7nq could you elaborate please?
Not a good counter. See, Kramnik genuinely comes from the perspective of the love of the game. His goal is to keep the integrity of chess, so that skill still matters most.
You might not agree with his methods (and with some you definitelly shouldn't), but you can't say he's malicious.
After this interview, Kramnik reported Gotham for cheating.
Cheating accusations is just kramnik's love language 🥰
Best comment ever 😂
Or for clickbait?
I don't think that Kramnik disliked the way the interview was conducted. Levy kept the positive atmosphere and full respect all throughout.
On every occasion that Kramnik says it's a known fact or or fact, it is not.
levy title: i confronted kramnik
levy first question: how you so tall
Waiting for a Hikaru reaction video
Hikaru: " Hahahahahahahahaha
You know it's coming lol
"I literally don't care."
@@brettdiehl1965 He seems to care when he is winning and not care when he losses..
@@joel6513 i think its otherwise cause he spams the phrase when he wins more than when he loses
“I won’t do any more *interviews* online, only over the board *interviews* “
Levy never fails to back his boy Danny’s play. Smart. Dude is not even close to falling off
Kramnik contradicts himself:
- Chess Technology is moving forward at a very fast rate. This means kids have easier access to cheating methods. There's almost no way kids of this era are stronger than kids of my era. The numbers are illogical.
- He neglects to consider that kids today are so incredibly strong at Chess BECAUSE of better Technology. They're able to learn with the best Chess Engines, in the palm of their hands...
Something a GM of the past would have had to manually do, with teams of other GMs. Chess Engines have elevated Chess understanding to such an insane degree, and kids, being especially Tech Savvy these days, are able to learn with Chess Engines from very young.
better technologies = degradation. There are not so much kids who are not affected by something like TikTok
@@okolenmi7511 true but the kids at elite level are more obsessed with chess than anything else anyways so it's not really relevant
@@okolenmi7511 You are underestimating a super-talented kid who is obsessed with chess 24/7. And with technology they become beasts.
Better technology, yet people are getting dumber. They took cursive out of schools, they banned certain books. Seems like things are going backwards. Therefore, I can relate to what he’s saying.
@@Ishbikes Neither of those have occurred in my country, thankfully.
It's like a completely different person, irl Kramnik vs online Kramnik
He like me fr
How? He’s talking the same bullshit
Its not what he speaks about, its about how he speaks.
I mean who isn't?
@@gilgamesh8334 What is the bullshit? I don't understand what is bullshit about what I have heard him say in this video but maybe I'm missing something
This was a great interview! Levy maintaining a good atmosphere while still asking some of the tough questions people have been debating - and letting Kramnik explain his points of view without interruptions.
When Levy said one of the youngest 12 year olds I cracked up
"OH so it's MY honors??"
Kramnik legend
Internet parade aside, he seems completely reasonable. He's using the sway he has to fight cheating which is a massive problem and normalize anti cheating checks - maybe not perfectly but its a good thing. Athletes get tested for steroids, chess players can get checked for cheating - it seems like a necessity if chess ever wants to be taken seriously.
... but for the silly youtube crowd, he is guilty of "sounding like Putin".
He needs to accept when he is wrong when he knows that he is not an expert. He also should not be publicly accusing 12 year olds without evidence. But yes, these are measures that need to be taken in some form.
He is so smart that he doesn't even realize he is being an idiot. At the end of the interview he either accused his opponent in _this_ OTB game of cheating OL or he just proved his argument is dead wrong, OL and OTB are two different games with there own statistics and mathematical probabilities.
@@raptorcrasherinc.9823 His criticisms might not always be warranted but he's pointing out a legitimate problem. Cheating will only get worse with AI and smarter tools to avoid detection and there will need to be measures taken to combat it and to guarantee integrity in the sport.
@@tristanthamm505 So criticize it smartly. I agree that more and more people are going to get away with cheating, but you cannot punish people who did not do anything. People like Kramnik are trying to get people banned without any proof that they actually did anything. False accusations are just as harmful to the integrity of the game as letting cheaters get away with it.
Kramnik: I didn’t prepare
Also Kramnik: spent 20 hours a day looking at chess for the last 6 weeks
Preparation for a match in chess terms means studying most of, if not all, the classical games the opponent has played, and his openings and possible variations the opponent is likely to play. It does not mean in the traditional sense, as doing your best to be in good condition.
Reminds you of Hikaru
@@azzaamekk5264 💯
That’s how you become world champion. That’s light prep work compared to what he’s done before.
Levy's impersonation of Kramnik is spot on.
Props to Levy for making a difficult interview watchable.
Based on Levy's imitation i can 100% confirm that he is indeed Vladimir Kramnik
Watch Kramnik's video "DISGRACE" on his channel, it's absolutely nuts, as in, quite convincing, seeing someone make countless beginner mistakes and then play a flawless game with inhuman, unnecessarily complicated, super-accurate moves against against GM Nepo, then back to playing like a (relative to a GM 😅) beginner.
Yes I ve experience against these kind , they are very numerous online. I actually played some one rated 1033 but has 100% acc with a movement speed less than 5secs
@@elasticharmonyreport that person fs, but top players only need to cheat a couple of times throughout a game
every streamer has played cheats. There's dozens of videos. Most get banned fairly quickly
@@dessertstorm7476 yeah sorry, the point was it was an FM in TT, obv cheats exist in general and we've all experienced it, but Kramnik's argument is titled players are blatantly cheating in prize money tournaments and getting away with it despite it being blatant, and the DISGRACE video is a fairly convincing case for that.
@@mitchgoldstein6720 theoretically top players only need to cheat 1-2 times to beat someone their own level bc they can keep up with them until an opportunity presents itself, but so long as there isn't a huge tactical shot hanging, I'd argue you will need to play *consistently* excellently to keep up w/ a GM hundreds of points higher rated than you, and it's this consistently playing above your level which is odd and this is actually beautifully demonstrated in the Disgrace video, although the Disgrace video also features inhuman moves such as not taking queens off to simplify when it's opponent's only source of counterplay, or inhuman and unnecessarily complex but slightly more accurate moves in a game that's already winning, "found" in seconds.
Loved it, thank you for organising this tournament too.
Great interview. I really appreciate being able to hear him.Speak rather than just hear What has been written and what other people think about what he has said.
Very interesting content.
but seriously it's nice to have actual discussions even though there is obvious disagreement
Where is the Norway chess video ?
Same f*cking question
Damn bro, be patient.
He’s probably busy.
Exactly tf is this 😂 get to work Levy
he explained, two videos ago, if you are a true fan then you should know😅
Doesn’t levy have a degree in statistics?
"Relaxed" Kramnik is great. Wished he'd be like this most of the time.
No recap of Norway chess?!
He’s probably busy.
People have trolled him so much, he is not recapping by tagging Magnus or Hikaru.
Mad Respect for Kramlik he does seem like a good guy and a gentleman whether his allegations will ever be substantiated no telling Best of luck to him in his future matches
Kramnik after the interview: ok , let’s do the procedure.
Good job ,I always wanted to hear his POV about all that's going on in person..
Why is it okay for people to mention the fact that Hans Nieman admitted to cheating online against him in the Magnus incident but when Kramnik mentions that a young kid is playing at the top 15 level online it is seen as cruel? All top players should be investigated on a regular basis online. Kramnik's point about Hikaru's opponents having potentially illegitimate rating is also valid.
Niemann is no longer a kid, and has cheated multiple times.
Lets say a 10 year old cheats in chess. It would be the best to not make it public since doing so could damage the kid's life and career severely. However, those same actions could be talked about when the kid grows up, if there is enough reason to do so, (for example if they are found guilty of cheating again, like in the case of Hans Niemann.)
also....obviously...one is a confirmed, admitted cheat and one is being accused with paper thin justification.
NGL, I don’t think Kramnik is a nutball anymore. His reasoning was very sound and the Hikaru thing made perfect sense.
Bro... I was waiting for the recap
[insert 'the office' thank you gif here]
What a mirthless confrontation indeed 😂
Kramnik rolling his right foot throughout...pretty tense :-)
Levy is really getting good as an interviewer. He asks just enough questions to push the interview forward but other than that is a good listener.
And he doesn't pussyfoot around sensitive subjects.
0:56 he ate all the cheater kids
😂
He seems like a chill guy tho
Kramnik comes off pretty reasonable here. I'm glad we got to hear him explain himself properly. He's trying to introduce a new system to deal with a big problem and there are always going to be kinks to work out. He's just trying to get the ball rolling.
Excellent video Levi, great journalism
Not really. Calling himself a logical person and that the math factually proves he is right when, time and time again, he has shown to make incredulously bad logical fallacies and have complete misunderstandings of statistics is peak pseudointellectualism.
He's right on a broad spectrum. Cheating likely exists and theres little wrong with more vetting. And, frankly, exhibitions like this would be great for chess. But when it comes to the details, he is just really good at making people think he sounds smart.
I guess "trying to get the ball rolling on a new system" is ONE way of describing a salty old man slinging cheating accusations at innocent people as quickly as he can. He is reasonable in one respect........that more needs to be done about cheating. There is nothing reasonable about the rest of his truly abhorrent behavior. What a horrendous way to end an otherwise astounding career.
His core argument that cheating is a fundamental threat to the game has never been bad, it's the way he goes about it that is extremely problematic. He cherrypicks outliers and accuses players (sorry, "insinuates") based on his low high school level understanding of statistics, and then he calls more qualified people stupid when they push back on his conclusions.
Take Jospem; he finished 2nd in titled tuesday and scored 4.5/10 against Danya in a blitz match with a whole fucking film crew in his house. And does Kramnik even show the tiniest sign of doubt about his accusations? No, he doubles down and starts spraying nonsense about how Jospem got lucky this time and was playing worse than normal even though his performance was right in line with his previous ones.
That is not someone who's trying to save chess, that is someone trying to protect his fragile ego. The fact that he's not willing to walk back or apologize for his statements about Hikaru is a prime example of this. Hikaru has an unfathomable amount of video evidence not only showing his level and abilities, but giving unbelievably detailed insights into how he thinks and calculates. I am hard pressed to think of a single other player with more evidence that they are not cheating, but Kramnik sees a big number, does super basic compounding probability calculation and starts screaming cheater without any further thought.
Kramnik simply doesn't grasp the limitations of ratings and statistics and he is completely ruining his reputation by accusing anyone who has the nerve to play well against him.
@@noone-ld7pt Excellently said!!!
Kramnik will show berlin level prep.
Well. This will be the most uncomfortable thing I've ever watched. Should be pretty interesting.
I can only imagine he did no prep because he thinks José won’t play like he does online. This could end seriously badly if José didn’t actually cheat.
@@citywitt3202 he accused everyone of cheating, what do u think is gonna happen. at this rate he's gonna make an event against a 12 yo "cheater" and when he lost he's gonna lose his mind lmao, what a clown. why do people still have respect towards this clown
"Small kid, small penalty; big kid, big penalty."
Kramnik: These questions were to good…
Reported
Kramnik actually seems pretty cool here.
Does he? He sounds like every other Russian who doesn't know what the word "fact" means. That is a fact.
I see a crybaby child
@@rorschach775 exactly.. "it's a fact, it's not me - it's math" said a guy who's never gone to college
he does look nice which is kinda deceiving.. it's in dissonance with what he is always saying about people w/o solid "facts".. and when caught red handed he gives you his line: "never accused, just my opinion/suggestion".. the good old Russian style
@@user-kc6wu2gc2m This quote reminded me of the infamous cases where math and statistics have been used improperly in court to send innocent people to jail
Kramnik is actually making a reasonable point here
timestamp? i think i missed it
About the need for better systems, more normalization of anti-cheating measures, a unified front among governing bodies, absolutely.
Now if only he understood statistics and didn't babble meaningless nonsense to try to accuse people without accusing them...
@@lush1us When you and the internet mob get past 1200 elo you might start understanding his points.
@@ankeborg9122 XD. i defer to him for chess strats... but that's where my deference ends
Kramik: okay but...
Danya has been summoned
Levy looking really shifty in his chair next to Kramnik.
Bro I was waiting for the Norway chess round 9 recap