"I don't want to be remembered as the wife of Sempronius Gracchus or as the daughter of Scipio Africanus. I want to be remembered as the mother of Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus..." *Cornelia*
@@JustinCage56 Yeah. In fact, I cry every time I read in the Steven Saylor's novel "Roma" how Cornelia, after losing her two children, never talked about them with sadness, but with an enormous pride of being their mother, as they became the legends she wanted them to be
She got her wish. For, she was remembered after her death as "Cornelia Gracchi mater (Cornelia, the mother of the Gracchi)," and referred to as such even in life by many Roman women.
@@krisp1871 Her sons were butchered by the senate and she basically had no choice but to stand back and watch. No mother should ever have to bury her children.
@@jimmcneal5292 Actually most women don't you only see trad wives and girls with daddy issues that like being dominated by a man, you don't talk to many women much do you, go touch some grass loser
The second type of marriage only worked if the wife came from a wealthy background! The first type was for the poor wives or those whose family didn’t approve of her marriage x
@@morticiagomez6166 the worst stigmatized job you could have for many centuries though it made money was the people that prepped the bodies for burial and the grave diggers. They get paid all the time but you had very little in marriage prospects and usually lived separate from the rest of the community. Funny enough a few family members did theorized the Addams family were treated the way they are by typical society as they may have made their fortune in part due to this custom of family trade. Though in time particularly with Sparta only women that died in childbirth and men that died in battle were the ones that had marked graves etc.
@@morticiagomez6166 those that dyed textiles vs the merchants that sold them. Merchants for quite some time had more economic gain and status compared to the workforce underneath them. Then there was also those who were stone mansions and the labor force under them that had to do projects like aqueducts etc. Rome had some lavished baths but that came with a portion of their workforce facing a mortality toll. Being a sort of public physician or folk doctor did bring some monetary gain but similar treatments of harassment or fear did occur from time to time. The rest of the Romans during their empire were craftsmen with the exception of certain cities where by the ports you were most likely in fishing and Mining ores or extracting and cultivating wood as needed. A large empire needed a large labor force and not much documentation on what the average poor citizen endured on paper. What was inferred was found in surviving fossil records etc.
The most curious thing about Roman weddings is that the ceremonies consisted of imitations of the mythical Rapture of the Sabine Women. For example, there was a custom in which the bride and husband pretended that he snatched her from her parents' arms and then he carried her in his own arms through the front door of their new home. In fact, during the ceremonial procession, the wedding's guests used to sing this song about the kidnapping of the most beautiful Sabine by Thalassius's men: "Where are you taking me?!" "To Thalassius the Respectful!" "Why are you taking me?!" "Because he thinks you are very beautiful!" "What will be my destiny?!" "To Marry him. To be his mate!" "What god will save me?!" "All the gods have blessed this bond!"
It's interesting. In Poland there is also custom of carrying a wife through front door after wedding. I don't know about it's origin but it may be borrowed by lower social classes from nobility which was well known for their interest in ancient Rome.
*Cum Manu* - _Con Mano_ in Spanish "With Hand" *Sine Manu* - _Sin Mano_ in Spanish "Without hand" There is the expression in Spanish "Tomar su mano en matrimonio" meaning in English "Take her hand in marriage" which in both languages is linked to Roman customs.
Also "pedir a mão" / "pedir la mano" (to ask the hand) of the bride to her father was a custom until recently. My father took offense when I simply introduced him to a boyfriend of mine for the first time, instead of the bf asking my hand.
@@annedavis6090 It was always something very global that the father or guardian of any female was to be inform about a potential marriage (if the pretender in question had the intention to have a good relationship with his future wife's family, you can see that from Christians in the conversion of the Roman Empire or even in some African cultures).
@@moonbellebelle4523 in all the Islamic world there's not such a thing like taking a husband's name and I'm sure of it and as a rule a woman doesn't have to spend her money on her husband if she doesn't want to
@@moonbellebelle4523 If you're talking about the last name thing, you're sort of correct. In Islam, a woman isn't supposed to change her last name after marriage, but in many Muslim countries, outside influences (remnants of pre-Islam culture, coexistence with another religion, being colonised, etc.) has brought about a culture where most women do change their last names in those places
There was also concubinage, which was a positive legal status in ancient Rome. It allowed to people to be tied together in a committed relationship for either a specified duration or in the case where the law would forbid marriage due to differences in social statues.
It was done because roman soldiers were only allowed to marry after finishing their 20 years in the military. If they started as teenagers, they would be around 35. So they lived in concubinage, within the restriction of the law, but had a chance to have a family. The majority of roman soldiers did not belong to the elite class.
Eh. I dunno how wonderful being a concubine was. I think that REALLY depended on the situation. Concubine of your devoted childhood sweetheart, just waiting for a better situation to get married and be the sole wife and trying to make the best of the time until that was possible? Not so bad. Concubine 2 of 4 of a man who mostly just thought you were hot and your family was pppor enough to agree, and you're going to have to fight hard to get any surety for not only you but whatever children you have? Bad situation. "Sleep with your kids so you hear concubine 3 coming to knife them" bad. In most societies with this kind of provision, eventually you see people start to use them as an excuse to collect beautiful women as a shown of wealth, status, and virility. Usually by men, but also by women because inherent in the concept is usually the desire for more power and influence. And once that becomes the norm you get intensely miserable and dangerous situations because obviously not every child can inherit. The moment you have two competing lines of descent, either there s an open struggle over who inherits or the 'official' child is taught to be wary of the 'unofficial' child, because they (or their mother) could be scheming to kill them and take their inheritance. There was no social security and no welfare, either. What your family had and what you personally could earn were it. And in most cultures the head of the household controlled all of that, so if you were not favored, you could be sure you would get nothing. That was a very strong incentive for all kinds of cruelty right up to murder. I think the idea of a concubine was so prevalent because of pragmatism and practicality - it solved problems, like the one mentioned about the soldiers not being allowed to marry until the corresponding aged women would be almost past child bearing age. Or couples who needed children (your social security) but were unable to have them, for whichever reason. But on the whoek I'd say that if history has taught me anything it's that a concubine system is a recipe for disaster. And dead kids, don't forget the dead kids.
@@rachelclark6393 Concubinage was a genuine legal status in ancient rome, used by people, who were not allowed to marry. A patrician senator would not have been allowed to marry a former, now emancipated slave. They could live together in concubinage, legal contracts making sure that the woman's livelihood was secured and any children from this union were taken care of. This was not a form of prostitution, but a long-term relationship. More like a morganatic marriage.
@@arbendit4348 it’s slavery to not be able to own lands or have inheritance or have relations with your family. Even if you’re traditional and your husband is the authority of the house, these are still very basic things that a wife cannot be deprived of.
I also heard a story from my Egyptlogy professor about how horrified the Romans and Greeks are learning about the norm of Ancient Egyptian women starting businesses, owning land and asking for divorce. Since a lot of men died before their wives, it's just make sense to give women power to control their properties and manage their family affairs.
The reason you kiss at the end of your vows, goes back to the fact that all contracts in Rome were sealed with a kiss. Marriage is literally a contract.
@@GrowingEvolutionary Everyone’s parents should be a part of their life (unless they’re abusive), but everyone eventually has to cut off their parent’s influence when they reach adulthood. That’s not something you can force on a woman just because you’re scared it might happen though. Family is everything to some people.
I took Latin for several years and am decently knowledgeable about Roman history, but you succeed in teaching me something I knew nothing about. Thank you! This was fascinating.
I gave a presentation on this to save my grade (and my 'latinum' - proof of Latin knowledge which used to be required for certain studies programs). It was fun. Basically the increasing rights of the women lead to a smaller and smaller Roman elite to recruit leadership from which made Rome less adapted to deal with the mounting challenges.
@@namedrop721 simple: increasing rights, including the right for women to divorce, lead to less children, which gave a smaller upper class to recruit leaders from, which reduced the quality of the leaders.
Shot guns Manu was very popular was once very popular. Not today. It would be an interesting discussion about the changes to society since it's decline in popularity. The impact on society during its popularity. I love discussion, anyone want to discuss this? Just a non emotional, calm discussion
This was happening in Kerala too. Was because of constant war and properties going to unrelated people because sometimes all males of the house died in those wars. Messed up the society a little bit.
Lord forbid a woman inherit anything. 🙄 much better for your 1000 acres of property, your house, livestock and business all be inherited not by your loving & devoted daughter but by your shifty third cousin once removed who loves gambling, drinking & whoring and whose mother died under mysterious circumstances. Yanno, bc he's a *MAN,* clearly he will make much better decisions with the estate.
Only when the Plebeians threatened to entirely leave Rome this eliminating the entire farming, merchant, warrior part of the population did they begin to gain the basic human rights we take for granted today.
And when Rome failed to reform after the Second Punic War Rome began its slow decline from republic to empire. Might begun to make right and the law started to take a back-seat to force.
The uneducated rabble is easily manipulated and riled up, 'rabble rousers' were a known threat. Once the plebs gained voting rights, it was just a matter of time before gridlock from conflicting interests, a failure to adapt then subsequently a loss of confidence, then the inevitable tyrant coming in to be the 'savior'. The story has repeated itself various times but we never learn.
Take for granted today? Let me introduce you to The Patriarchy (tm)! Heck, women don't even exist anymore these days, men have taken their entire gender away from them...
Oh they are very much discussed. Just not in this video, and the similar Asian man and boy ummmm not marriage but unitys maybe. I love history I was wondering when someone was going to say something
@WethePeople the idea of placing a french nobles as "a heads" of nations is astounding in french society in that times and they take it too literally, truly the leader of french revolutionary is "ahead" of his times.
@@stealthbrawler it however does help other nations and empires to rise from it's ashes,can't make an omolette if you're afraid to break the eggs,can't make a new empires if you're afraid to break a few heads.
Me, too. Fascinating stuff. An hour & a half, twice weekly, Tuesday & Thursday. Professor Pritchett could just reel off his stuff without notes. Centuries of Roman civilization & culture, all stored in his sharp brain. RIP, sir, & thanks for the gift of knowledge! 🏛
I am at my first week of first year of law and yet i did not finish one day without crying because of difficulty.. but it will get better , i know that! Keep it up ! We can do it !
No one ever talks about all women in history who protested by not marrying, so they would keep as much of their rights as possible. The price they paid usually was a bad reputation for no real reasons.
What men thought depended on the men and the woman, nuns were respected as were women who took vows of castitiy, even within marriage so long as they mooted it with their husband. Women who remained spinsters but slept around were hated by both men and women, the average spinster was merely pitied for being lonely and unhappy, so people felt sorry for them rather than had anything particularly against them unless their personality made it clear why they couldn't find anyone (a stereotype which was not uncommon in fairy tale villens backgrounds). Generally becoming a wife, mother and pillar of the community was the standard aspirational goal of young girls rather than working as a slave for a Corp and dying alone and forgotten in the name of some profits on a spreadsheet somewhere. As people in the past primarily viewed things through a relational rather than a materialistic framework their very different priorities and value judgments make sense, and evovolstionarly still make sense as the post morderns are going to go extinct judging their birth rates and the hairs of the future will be the children of religious fundamentalists (the amish are on track to takeover America by current metrics) and people who have kids with multiple different men in order to get payouts from the government (though they would probably stave if the microwaves ever gave out).
I'm guessing this was actually so that if a notable person didn't have male heirs it allowed them to pass on their heritage through their daughter and subsequently any male heirs or females heirs she might have
Well, as a woman you were just a better bargening chip for your fathers and the husbands were never sure of their wives loyalty. Today it's between two idividuals. Then it was a contract between families about social position and money. The love marriage thing is a very new concept.
@@alexpond648 no Most people married for love Only the elites did for otherwise It's like you forget most people were poor and not to mention we still have people marrying from their families for these same reasons Nothing has changed by and large except the destruction of the average family
This reminds me so much of Spanish customs where the wife not only gets to keep her name and stays as part of her family, but also can have her children use her name instead of the father's if the man is deemed unfit to maintain the family.
Oh what a surprise that a woman dont want to be a slave from a "husband" who looks down on her. Its lonely in your bed isnt it? Well considering your comment its no freaking wonder😂
I like my marriage better. Had a big homie that I had a crush on and then fell in love with, refused to tell him because I didn't want to make things awkward. Him telling me he was in love with me then going to get permission from both of my parents for us to get married. Getting married and have 2 sons and a dog. 10 years this past September 27.
Just out of curiosity ,but do you think you'll do a vid on polychromatic usage in Rome/eastern rome? The artisitc renditions are really something ,esp the buildings. The statues, while still pretty (when done right), are a rarity to see colored with artistic flair. Another interesting thing i discovered was that the Romans loved to use contrast during the late republic-early imperium. The best part was, mono chrome and poly chrome could be used together. Like polychrome interior of building , while statue was mono. Intresting stuff tbh.
@@RoddyPipersCorneas funnily enough, we live in 21st Century where you be as angry as you want about the injustices your female ancestors and current sisters face....
Super interesting video, but god it's annoying how anything discussing antiquity attracts some edgelord schmucks. Sine manu weren't popularized because of ~evil feminism~. it was a byproduct of male death and wanting to preserve families and protect women in the event of widowhood, especially if no adult sons were present and in a position to care for her.
MGOTW actually began around the time of Augustus and he had to enact laws to force men to marry because men began a marriage strike over the developing lack of virtue on the part of Roman women. It got so bad that by time of Cassius Dio many Roman women were refusing to have children and they were frequently aborting, divorce was rampant, and thus many Roman noblemen were only willing to marry Germanic or other foreign women.
@Nero what is on the video is friends with benefits because she doesn't share a living space with him, which is the first step of going through the good and bad in life together. She just sits at her parents, he visits and occasionally bring gifts every few days and that's pretty much the relationship. They don't even text the events of their day because texting wasn't available back then. If you think this is a healthy marriage, then your either 13 or a complete cucumber.
@@khaledMohamed-tp4wx When we are talking about romans you scream for sexism and slavery, but when something is about islam you say that is a religion of love and peace. You are the most hypocrite people in the world you know, incapable of an individual critical thinking
Fun side is that the men stopped marrying so they passed inheritance laws to try and force them to marry by taking their inheritances away if they refused to marry.
Now I get all kinds of expressions in my language, like asking for a girl´s hand, or giving a man your hand, marrying the glove. It literally means giving your rights away.
I *love* history and learning about different cultures and practices! It’s so fascinating to see where we came from and how we’ve developed as a species. But there’s one thing that’s pretty consistent throughout time, in most places, that burdens my heart: the subjugation and oppression of women. 😭 Whyyyyy????? Women are fucking amazing! We’re just as worthy, and intelligent, and necessary as men. Always have been. We have babies for crying out loud! Probably the most necessary function for human survival! Bio-males cannot do that. I’m at an age and place in life where I can’t pretend like it doesn’t bother me. And even with thorough historical & anthropological explanations, I just can’t understand why that’s persisted for so long. Or even started in the first place. I hate it. I just plain ‘ol hate it. It’s messed up. (And please, to anyone who reads this, don’t waste your time trying to explain anything to me. I get it. I’ve spent enough time studying history to know enough of the “why’s”, and you’re not going to enlighten me with anything new. This is just how I feel, and it’s undeniable that throughout time, and to this day, women have been treated horribly. And NO, it is not because women are inherently lesser than men; and NO I don’t give a shit what anyone’s religion or holy book says. You can’t ever convince me that women are lesser than men. It’s an unfair, insidious, and cruel practice that has gone on for far too long. That’s it. Periodt.)
How was protecting and providing for women cruel subjugation? Men and women worked together to create families. Life was lethal and hard, and most men died through violence and didn't even have children. Women flocked to the top guys just as they do nowadays. It was their choice just as it is now. If you step away from the drama triangle of the traumatized mind, you can see the world was built with feminine and masculine love and cooperation that prevailed through hardship, not through oppressor-victim-savior dynamics.
This rant of yours explains why. Women are too emotional, they dont think things through and they are irrational. It's why for the longest time, women were lesser- you are the living proof
In ancient India husbands were known by their wives names and the fact the women never to change their names or even surnames. This changing names is whole modern concept.
Really??? I have been so obsessed with this name-changing concept since my teenage! Could you please tell me where I can find the information on indian men taking on wives names?
Woman had pretty much equal status to Men amongst the Celtic tribes, it was the Romans that introduced the idea of woman as less than Men, especially with the introduction of the Roman Catholic church.
@@ArividerchiMagmuasue what’s from „the beginning of time“ that women are seen as less than men? Definitely not. Please open a history book. But men and women where pretty much equal in their „rights“ from „the beginning of time“. It’s only when certain civilisations brought in the concept of „property“ and jining families through a concept like marriage that certain roles became more and more engraved. But trust me, it didn’t start out like that and it never should have been like that. Of course genders are different and there are a lot of biological differences like in strength and the ability to being life into this world (actually being the only leading two differences) But none of wich should ever be a factor that justifies the incredible unjust and humiliating things that people had to go trough, like rights being denied etc based on their biological sex or their race.
This is something that doesn't get mentioned all that often. Most people only think of the 1st type when they hear about marriage in ancient Rome. Thanks Romaboo!
A husband and wife held joint property in Rome. Men did not manage finances at all, and it was even considered un-manly to do so. Women were the accountants of the household.
Over the long time of it's existence, the Roman empire had more than two versions of marriage (e.g. per usum, literally 'by use'). Gosh, who would have thought that I'd ever use my knowledge from my presentation in my 11th grade Latin class ever again.
99% cum manu and 1% sine manu. I want sine manu for myself. Not willing to surrender myself to another family where 90% of the time women are tortured and/or demonized.
In addition to this, I find it interesting how women received a "dowry" during marriage. This is different than some other forms of the dowry, as the woman herself would receive the money and jewels. This dowry would be used to build the household, and acted as protection for the woman in case of divorce or becoming a widow. I find these things fascinating as they are often ignored by modern people, or used as proof of sexism, when in reality these were the defenses that early women had. As social structures have changed, these concepts have been lost, creating a vacuum that has since led to modern social ills.
In some cultures in modern times, women who receive dowries from their families, find themselves married to opportunists who just take the money. It seems like laws can sure be abused.
i can imagine being a poor woman and with marriage rules like these id find me a rich a husband fast af 🤣🤣🤣 yea disconnecting from my dads family is too much and not being able to inherit his money would suck but I get the not owning anything/everything is under my husband. Plus it’s the Roman times, most women complain about working today lol I don’t think they would’ve minded a free house and food as someone poor and all you have to do is take care of the house
Rome reached it's height early in the 2nd century AD, 300 years later. It also lasted for another 350 years after that. You really are desperate to shoe horn in your grievances into unrelated historical contexts aren't you?
@@krisp1871 nice cop out. These people are plenty serious, there's lots of them, and when called out they retreat to the "was just joking bro" defence.
"I don't want to be remembered as the wife of Sempronius Gracchus or as the daughter of Scipio Africanus. I want to be remembered as the mother of Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus..."
*Cornelia*
Well, that's just depressing as all hell.
@@JustinCage56 Yeah. In fact, I cry every time I read in the Steven Saylor's novel "Roma" how Cornelia, after losing her two children, never talked about them with sadness, but with an enormous pride of being their mother, as they became the legends she wanted them to be
She got her wish. For, she was remembered after her death as "Cornelia Gracchi mater (Cornelia, the mother of the Gracchi)," and referred to as such even in life by many Roman women.
@@JustinCage56 what, hows it depressing
@@krisp1871 Her sons were butchered by the senate and she basically had no choice but to stand back and watch. No mother should ever have to bury her children.
It's almost like women don't like being slaves
Actually almost all women LIKE TO, just not with every man(they only like chads)
@@jimmcneal5292 Actually most women don't you only see trad wives and girls with daddy issues that like being dominated by a man, you don't talk to many women much do you, go touch some grass loser
@@jimmcneal5292 shut up
Silence plebeian!
@@jimmcneal5292 you're an idiot
The second type of marriage only worked if the wife came from a wealthy background!
The first type was for the poor wives or those whose family didn’t approve of her marriage x
Well yeah. Slavery and sexism usually work much better in the long term, if you're doing then to poor people.
@@GelidGanef What did poor people do in the Roman times when there was no McDonald’s type jobs? Any ideas?
@@morticiagomez6166 the worst stigmatized job you could have for many centuries though it made money was the people that prepped the bodies for burial and the grave diggers. They get paid all the time but you had very little in marriage prospects and usually lived separate from the rest of the community.
Funny enough a few family members did theorized the Addams family were treated the way they are by typical society as they may have made their fortune in part due to this custom of family trade.
Though in time particularly with Sparta only women that died in childbirth and men that died in battle were the ones that had marked graves etc.
@@sakuraryuji01 So, what OTHER jobs existed BESIDES grave diggers for poor people in the ancient days?
@@morticiagomez6166 those that dyed textiles vs the merchants that sold them. Merchants for quite some time had more economic gain and status compared to the workforce underneath them. Then there was also those who were stone mansions and the labor force under them that had to do projects like aqueducts etc. Rome had some lavished baths but that came with a portion of their workforce facing a mortality toll.
Being a sort of public physician or folk doctor did bring some monetary gain but similar treatments of harassment or fear did occur from time to time.
The rest of the Romans during their empire were craftsmen with the exception of certain cities where by the ports you were most likely in fishing and Mining ores or extracting and cultivating wood as needed. A large empire needed a large labor force and not much documentation on what the average poor citizen endured on paper. What was inferred was found in surviving fossil records etc.
The most curious thing about Roman weddings is that the ceremonies consisted of imitations of the mythical Rapture of the Sabine Women. For example, there was a custom in which the bride and husband pretended that he snatched her from her parents' arms and then he carried her in his own arms through the front door of their new home. In fact, during the ceremonial procession, the wedding's guests used to sing this song about the kidnapping of the most beautiful Sabine by Thalassius's men:
"Where are you taking me?!"
"To Thalassius the Respectful!"
"Why are you taking me?!"
"Because he thinks you are very beautiful!"
"What will be my destiny?!"
"To Marry him. To be his mate!"
"What god will save me?!"
"All the gods have blessed this bond!"
It's interesting. In Poland there is also custom of carrying a wife through front door after wedding. I don't know about it's origin but it may be borrowed by lower social classes from nobility which was well known for their interest in ancient Rome.
@@krazownik3139 In Croatia the groom also traditionally caries the bride across the doorstep. Probably similar process of inheritance as in Poland.
Based.
In sicily it still exists although only very traditional people do it. It's called "fuitina" and works more or less exactly the same
@@giorgiociaravolol1998
That's probably more of a mafia tradition 💀💀
*Cum Manu* - _Con Mano_ in Spanish "With Hand"
*Sine Manu* - _Sin Mano_ in Spanish "Without hand"
There is the expression in Spanish "Tomar su mano en matrimonio" meaning in English "Take her hand in marriage" which in both languages is linked to Roman customs.
Also "pedir a mão" / "pedir la mano" (to ask the hand) of the bride to her father was a custom until recently. My father took offense when I simply introduced him to a boyfriend of mine for the first time, instead of the bf asking my hand.
Now it makes sense!
in some pagan traditions a "handfasting" can be performed to join a couple for a season or a full solar year.
@@annedavis6090 It was always something very global that the father or guardian of any female was to be inform about a potential marriage (if the pretender in question had the intention to have a good relationship with his future wife's family, you can see that from Christians in the conversion of the Roman Empire or even in some African cultures).
@@VeraDonna My sister tried that with our father, it didn't go well.
Now I understand why my Sicilian grandmother told me that, in Italy a woman didn’t have to take her husband’s name.😮
Muslim women have never had to take their husband's name. My money is my money. My husband's money is our money.
@@Sara-vn2kz in middle East Asian Muslim you bet, that's the process but, not the rest of Muslim world.
@@moonbellebelle4523 in all the Islamic world there's not such a thing like taking a husband's name and I'm sure of it and as a rule a woman doesn't have to spend her money on her husband if she doesn't want to
@@moonbellebelle4523 If you're talking about the last name thing, you're sort of correct. In Islam, a woman isn't supposed to change her last name after marriage, but in many Muslim countries, outside influences (remnants of pre-Islam culture, coexistence with another religion, being colonised, etc.) has brought about a culture where most women do change their last names in those places
@@Sara-vn2kz Everything else belongs to your husband. Even your right to spend that money. You are your own only in name.
There was also concubinage, which was a positive legal status in ancient Rome. It allowed to people to be tied together in a committed relationship for either a specified duration or in the case where the law would forbid marriage due to differences in social statues.
It was done because roman soldiers were only allowed to marry after finishing their 20 years in the military. If they started as teenagers, they would be around 35. So they lived in concubinage, within the restriction of the law, but had a chance to have a family. The majority of roman soldiers did not belong to the elite class.
Also, a concubine had no spousal rights.
Eh. I dunno how wonderful being a concubine was. I think that REALLY depended on the situation. Concubine of your devoted childhood sweetheart, just waiting for a better situation to get married and be the sole wife and trying to make the best of the time until that was possible? Not so bad.
Concubine 2 of 4 of a man who mostly just thought you were hot and your family was pppor enough to agree, and you're going to have to fight hard to get any surety for not only you but whatever children you have? Bad situation. "Sleep with your kids so you hear concubine 3 coming to knife them" bad.
In most societies with this kind of provision, eventually you see people start to use them as an excuse to collect beautiful women as a shown of wealth, status, and virility. Usually by men, but also by women because inherent in the concept is usually the desire for more power and influence.
And once that becomes the norm you get intensely miserable and dangerous situations because obviously not every child can inherit. The moment you have two competing lines of descent, either there s an open struggle over who inherits or the 'official' child is taught to be wary of the 'unofficial' child, because they (or their mother) could be scheming to kill them and take their inheritance.
There was no social security and no welfare, either. What your family had and what you personally could earn were it. And in most cultures the head of the household controlled all of that, so if you were not favored, you could be sure you would get nothing. That was a very strong incentive for all kinds of cruelty right up to murder.
I think the idea of a concubine was so prevalent because of pragmatism and practicality - it solved problems, like the one mentioned about the soldiers not being allowed to marry until the corresponding aged women would be almost past child bearing age. Or couples who needed children (your social security) but were unable to have them, for whichever reason. But on the whoek I'd say that if history has taught me anything it's that a concubine system is a recipe for disaster. And dead kids, don't forget the dead kids.
@@rachelclark6393 Concubinage was a genuine legal status in ancient rome, used by people, who were not allowed to marry. A patrician senator would not have been allowed to marry a former, now emancipated slave. They could live together in concubinage, legal contracts making sure that the woman's livelihood was secured and any children from this union were taken care of. This was not a form of prostitution, but a long-term relationship. More like a morganatic marriage.
@@andreabartels3176 you just agreed with the first half they wrote, and ignored the cons
When you want to dive into the comments for historical debate, but don't want to see the sh*t st*rm of alpha debate 💀
So basically:
Literally slavery or actually marriage.
As God intended...
@@MrColuber which god
@@TressaDeFox The One and Only.
Elvis.
Since when is slavery to accept the husbands family and live off of his lands and home?
@@arbendit4348 it’s slavery to not be able to own lands or have inheritance or have relations with your family. Even if you’re traditional and your husband is the authority of the house, these are still very basic things that a wife cannot be deprived of.
I also heard a story from my Egyptlogy professor about how horrified the Romans and Greeks are learning about the norm of Ancient Egyptian women starting businesses, owning land and asking for divorce. Since a lot of men died before their wives, it's just make sense to give women power to control their properties and manage their family affairs.
The Spartan wives owned like 70% of all land.
Your "professor" is indoctrinating you with falsehoods
that's why they were so unsuccessful as a civilization
@@thefool1086 idk bout that, Rome lasted for around 2000 years
@@thefool1086 a civilization that lasted 3000 years was unsuccessful?
@@innrex9028 it did not tho...
The reason you kiss at the end of your vows, goes back to the fact that all contracts in Rome were sealed with a kiss. Marriage is literally a contract.
was?
@@chucky8787 is
Marriage is still a contract today
@@xplays7992 you're right. I've edited it.
So basically if you wanted to buy some logs back in the day you must kiss the lumberjack
As a man, I'd much rather be in the sine manu marriage. I want a woman who's with me by choice, not a slave who's dependent on me.
Silence plebeian
SILENCE PLEB!!!!
GO FAAAAAAAAARMM
Well many insecure men rather have a slave
Wise man
@@GrowingEvolutionary Everyone’s parents should be a part of their life (unless they’re abusive), but everyone eventually has to cut off their parent’s influence when they reach adulthood. That’s not something you can force on a woman just because you’re scared it might happen though. Family is everything to some people.
I took Latin for several years and am decently knowledgeable about Roman history, but you succeed in teaching me something I knew nothing about. Thank you! This was fascinating.
I gave a presentation on this to save my grade (and my 'latinum' - proof of Latin knowledge which used to be required for certain studies programs).
It was fun. Basically the increasing rights of the women lead to a smaller and smaller Roman elite to recruit leadership from which made Rome less adapted to deal with the mounting challenges.
@@Warentester can you explain this process please?
@@namedrop721 simple: increasing rights, including the right for women to divorce, lead to less children, which gave a smaller upper class to recruit leaders from, which reduced the quality of the leaders.
@@Warentester The Romans were a hedonistic lot.
@@prismaticlightpods6698 No, the Romans in large parts embraced stoic philosophy which teaches you to control your impulses and restrain your desires
Looks like the marriage at the start of the video was shot-gunus manu 😮
Shot guns Manu was very popular was once very popular. Not today.
It would be an interesting discussion about the changes to society since it's decline in popularity. The impact on society during its popularity.
I love discussion, anyone want to discuss this? Just a non emotional, calm discussion
I bet you the Shot Gunus Manu is popular in both Rome and Athens Georgia but probably an alien concept in Mars Pennsylvania.
@@deborahwesselman845 Feminism killed shotgun marriages to some extent I think
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This was happening in Kerala too. Was because of constant war and properties going to unrelated people because sometimes all males of the house died in those wars. Messed up the society a little bit.
It's almost like a male predominant society isn't sustainable
The Sambhandham system was very different from this.
Lord forbid a woman inherit anything. 🙄 much better for your 1000 acres of property, your house, livestock and business all be inherited not by your loving & devoted daughter but by your shifty third cousin once removed who loves gambling, drinking & whoring and whose mother died under mysterious circumstances. Yanno, bc he's a *MAN,* clearly he will make much better decisions with the estate.
@@victoriadiesattheend.8478 If you said that unironically, you would've been correct.
@@KnightsTemplar47 And by correct, you mean financially and morally bankrupt.
Only when the Plebeians threatened to entirely leave Rome this eliminating the entire farming, merchant, warrior part of the population did they begin to gain the basic human rights we take for granted today.
And when Rome failed to reform after the Second Punic War Rome began its slow decline from republic to empire.
Might begun to make right and the law started to take a back-seat to force.
The uneducated rabble is easily manipulated and riled up, 'rabble rousers' were a known threat.
Once the plebs gained voting rights, it was just a matter of time before gridlock from conflicting interests, a failure to adapt then subsequently a loss of confidence, then the inevitable tyrant coming in to be the 'savior'.
The story has repeated itself various times but we never learn.
Take for granted today? Let me introduce you to The Patriarchy (tm)! Heck, women don't even exist anymore these days, men have taken their entire gender away from them...
That’s not when it started
Lmao no. If anything Roman laws binding free working class to the land they were born In was the start of serfdom.
And then there was the not often discussed "mano a mano" relationships.
Those couldn’t get married tho
@@Gandalfthewhat I think they meant gay
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Oh they are very much discussed. Just not in this video, and the similar Asian man and boy ummmm not marriage but unitys maybe. I love history I was wondering when someone was going to say something
@@Gandalfthewhat in ancient times men were with men all. The. Time. All the was to Asia.
this proves that we can evolve instead of being obsessed with tradition.
You people are too preoccupied whether you could, you didn't stop and think if you should.
*improve or adapt.
Not evolve.
@WethePeople the idea of placing a french nobles as "a heads" of nations is astounding in french society in that times and they take it too literally, truly the leader of french revolutionary is "ahead" of his times.
Yeah and tbe Roman empire collapsed in the end.
Not the reason, but I double shit like this helped at all in the grand scheme lf things
@@stealthbrawler it however does help other nations and empires to rise from it's ashes,can't make an omolette if you're afraid to break the eggs,can't make a new empires if you're afraid to break a few heads.
Little known fact: In Cum Manu marriage, the Romans played traditional Arabic music, as you can hear in this rare live recording from the 4th century.
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The seat of Roman empire was in Constantinople
They loved the futuristic foreign beat 🤣😂
It was also popular on ancient itunes.
I’m so glad I live right now
As the short said you could choose
This gives me flashbacks to roman law in uni.
Me, too. Fascinating stuff. An hour & a half, twice weekly, Tuesday & Thursday. Professor Pritchett could just reel off his stuff without notes. Centuries of Roman civilization & culture, all stored in his sharp brain. RIP, sir, & thanks for the gift of knowledge! 🏛
I am doing this right now for law and i still loosing my shit lol
@@cristinagasparini3422 i'm repeating a year on law and on my uni roman law is a nightmare.
I am at my first week of first year of law and yet i did not finish one day without crying because of difficulty.. but it will get better , i know that! Keep it up ! We can do it !
Thanks. Remeber it's not as bad as it seems. I wish you luck.
Shorts shown are from the series "Rome" which is extraordinarily accurate - some dramatic artistic licence...but a series well worth watching
No one ever talks about all women in history who protested by not marrying, so they would keep as much of their rights as possible. The price they paid usually was a bad reputation for no real reasons.
No one talks about them because they died alone, left no heirs, and left no legacy.
@@grayghost7216 and because history was written with men and as far I understand they didn't like their bhavior
@@grayghost7216 the protests wouldve been legacy enough.
Sounds awfully familiar these days.
What men thought depended on the men and the woman, nuns were respected as were women who took vows of castitiy, even within marriage so long as they mooted it with their husband. Women who remained spinsters but slept around were hated by both men and women, the average spinster was merely pitied for being lonely and unhappy, so people felt sorry for them rather than had anything particularly against them unless their personality made it clear why they couldn't find anyone (a stereotype which was not uncommon in fairy tale villens backgrounds).
Generally becoming a wife, mother and pillar of the community was the standard aspirational goal of young girls rather than working as a slave for a Corp and dying alone and forgotten in the name of some profits on a spreadsheet somewhere. As people in the past primarily viewed things through a relational rather than a materialistic framework their very different priorities and value judgments make sense, and evovolstionarly still make sense as the post morderns are going to go extinct judging their birth rates and the hairs of the future will be the children of religious fundamentalists (the amish are on track to takeover America by current metrics) and people who have kids with multiple different men in order to get payouts from the government (though they would probably stave if the microwaves ever gave out).
thanks for pronouncing the latin classically :)
That Lex Cincia or as he read it (lex chinchia) isn’t classic latin
@@whitezombie10 in latin C is pronunced Ch (or K)
I'm guessing this was actually so that if a notable person didn't have male heirs it allowed them to pass on their heritage through their daughter and subsequently any male heirs or females heirs she might have
You're guess is wrong
As a person called Manu, I aprove.
So your name is "hand" in Latin?
@@servantofaeie1569
Manu is short for Manuel.
Hand in Spanish is mano.
As a first semester law student, it's funny how I just had a test about this stuff last week, lol
This sounds remarkably similar to “bienes juntados” and “bienes separados” I’m México. I guess that’s where it comes from.
Well, as a woman you were just a better bargening chip for your fathers and the husbands were never sure of their wives loyalty. Today it's between two idividuals. Then it was a contract between families about social position and money. The love marriage thing is a very new concept.
People in the past loved each other, marriage was way more complicated but it's wasn't always just business.
@@robertmartin6800 yes, but love and marriage were separate things most of the time.
And yet they still ain't loyal today .
@@licensed_beheader ah yes, because men from back then till today were definitely loyal to their wives....
@@alexpond648 no
Most people married for love
Only the elites did for otherwise
It's like you forget most people were poor and not to mention we still have people marrying from their families for these same reasons
Nothing has changed by and large except the destruction of the average family
Inb4 incels claim this is why the roman empire fell?
Yeah lmao xd, I cringed looking at the comments on them saying that the empire fell because the Romans gave women basic human rights.
Soyface
Muh inzuls, how original. 😂😂😂
All that spare time from not having sex and they still can’t bother to read an actual history book.
This reminds me so much of Spanish customs where the wife not only gets to keep her name and stays as part of her family, but also can have her children use her name instead of the father's if the man is deemed unfit to maintain the family.
It is natural because Spain is the third Rome.
I’ll take door number two
@@RoddyPipersCorneas men ☕
@@RoddyPipersCorneas does the idea of having an equal partner scare you that badly?
Oh what a surprise that a woman dont want to be a slave from a "husband" who looks down on her.
Its lonely in your bed isnt it? Well considering your comment its no freaking wonder😂
@@ejedwards1678 I'm sure. Male ego threatened 🤣🤣🤣
@@ejedwards1678 Of course it does. No woman will come willingly within 5 miles of him, that’s why he’s mad that women can’t be forced to anymore.
I like my marriage better. Had a big homie that I had a crush on and then fell in love with, refused to tell him because I didn't want to make things awkward. Him telling me he was in love with me then going to get permission from both of my parents for us to get married. Getting married and have 2 sons and a dog. 10 years this past September 27.
They also had their first marriage at age twelve, but then so did the boys. Romans just considered you a full adult at age twelve.
And the Roman Empire crumbled within a couple of centuries after that. History doesn't repeat but it often rhymes.
Just out of curiosity ,but do you think you'll do a vid on polychromatic usage in Rome/eastern rome? The artisitc renditions are really something ,esp the buildings. The statues, while still pretty (when done right), are a rarity to see colored with artistic flair. Another interesting thing i discovered was that the Romans loved to use contrast during the late republic-early imperium. The best part was, mono chrome and poly chrome could be used together. Like polychrome interior of building , while statue was mono. Intresting stuff tbh.
Closest things in my plans to this is the video on sculpture styles. I may do architecture someday, depends on whether I can find good visuals.
Yeah, I can see why the first type went out of fashion...
"I take your hand in marriage"
Mano= hand
NO! Take the whole person. The hand only works for a while.
_Cum Manu_ with hand...
_Sine Manu_ without hand...
The bride is suppose to break all ties with her family, yet somehow her new husband still benefits financially from said family! That's bullsh!t!
@@RoddyPipersCorneas funnily enough, we live in 21st Century where you be as angry as you want about the injustices your female ancestors and current sisters face....
@@RoddyPipersCorneas because pointing out that this historical inequality makes you angry?
@@RoddyPipersCorneas Do you have something against women having credit cards, bank accounts, equal pay, or not being beat by husbands?
@@whyask2355 He didn't say that but ok.
@@whyask2355 Yeah. Women aren’t any happier with all of those modern “freedoms”
Sine manu every day please 😂 wth, the first option is just ridiculous
So Cleopatra got to hang on to Egypt.
Super interesting video, but god it's annoying how anything discussing antiquity attracts some edgelord schmucks. Sine manu weren't popularized because of ~evil feminism~. it was a byproduct of male death and wanting to preserve families and protect women in the event of widowhood, especially if no adult sons were present and in a position to care for her.
MGOTW actually began around the time of Augustus and he had to enact laws to force men to marry because men began a marriage strike over the developing lack of virtue on the part of Roman women. It got so bad that by time of Cassius Dio many Roman women were refusing to have children and they were frequently aborting, divorce was rampant, and thus many Roman noblemen were only willing to marry Germanic or other foreign women.
The show Rome was awesome!
The show Rome was a lie. The Romans were not Anglo-Saxons with modern English accents.
They look soo happy.
so she's either his possession or his friend with benefits
@Nero yes.
@Nero yeah duh. If she still calls her family, or shows up in their will, she isn't really "in it" is she?
/s 🤣
@@GelidGanef please tell me this was sarcasm
@Nero what is on the video is friends with benefits because she doesn't share a living space with him, which is the first step of going through the good and bad in life together.
She just sits at her parents, he visits and occasionally bring gifts every few days and that's pretty much the relationship. They don't even text the events of their day because texting wasn't available back then. If you think this is a healthy marriage, then your either 13 or a complete cucumber.
@@khaledMohamed-tp4wx When we are talking about romans you scream for sexism and slavery, but when something is about islam you say that is a religion of love and peace. You are the most hypocrite people in the world you know, incapable of an individual critical thinking
Fun side is that the men stopped marrying so they passed inheritance laws to try and force them to marry by taking their inheritances away if they refused to marry.
Now I get all kinds of expressions in my language, like asking for a girl´s hand, or giving a man your hand, marrying the glove. It literally means giving your rights away.
No
I *love* history and learning about different cultures and practices! It’s so fascinating to see where we came from and how we’ve developed as a species.
But there’s one thing that’s pretty consistent throughout time, in most places, that burdens my heart: the subjugation and oppression of women. 😭 Whyyyyy?????
Women are fucking amazing! We’re just as worthy, and intelligent, and necessary as men. Always have been. We have babies for crying out loud! Probably the most necessary function for human survival! Bio-males cannot do that.
I’m at an age and place in life where I can’t pretend like it doesn’t bother me. And even with thorough historical & anthropological explanations, I just can’t understand why that’s persisted for so long. Or even started in the first place. I hate it. I just plain ‘ol hate it. It’s messed up.
(And please, to anyone who reads this, don’t waste your time trying to explain anything to me. I get it. I’ve spent enough time studying history to know enough of the “why’s”, and you’re not going to enlighten me with anything new. This is just how I feel, and it’s undeniable that throughout time, and to this day, women have been treated horribly. And NO, it is not because women are inherently lesser than men; and NO I don’t give a shit what anyone’s religion or holy book says. You can’t ever convince me that women are lesser than men. It’s an unfair, insidious, and cruel practice that has gone on for far too long. That’s it. Periodt.)
Exactly!
How was protecting and providing for women cruel subjugation? Men and women worked together to create families. Life was lethal and hard, and most men died through violence and didn't even have children. Women flocked to the top guys just as they do nowadays. It was their choice just as it is now.
If you step away from the drama triangle of the traumatized mind, you can see the world was built with feminine and masculine love and cooperation that prevailed through hardship, not through oppressor-victim-savior dynamics.
Shut up
At those times it worked, society functioned well. It must mean something
This rant of yours explains why. Women are too emotional, they dont think things through and they are irrational. It's why for the longest time, women were lesser- you are the living proof
Hence the still active tradition of asking a father for his daughters hand in marriage.
I had no idea. Thank you foe the enlightenment!
In ancient India husbands were known by their wives names and the fact the women never to change their names or even surnames. This changing names is whole modern concept.
Really??? I have been so obsessed with this name-changing concept since my teenage! Could you please tell me where I can find the information on indian men taking on wives names?
@@JyoSco007 Search about satvahana dynasty their kings taken names of their mothers before their name
Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Good thing they didn't even know Jesus yet.
@@erincarr9411 They didn't have to know Jesus yet to turn themselves into Hell.
HBO's Rome was one of greatest series!
Ooh so thats why it was so important you asked for the woman's hand in marriage back then
Wow this is really interesting!
One Giant step for mankind.
This was very informative.
Super cool! Learned something new today!
These short vids are top notch 👌
I did stupidly giggle when I heard "Lex Kinkya' tho 🌝😅
People also have to temember that marriage was not about love. It was about money, land, and power.
I was just thinking the other day that there should be different types of marriages.
Interesting how Roman women were more independent literally thousands of years ago than some women these days!
Care to elaborate ?
@@i10i60 people like that arent going to elaborate.
Woman had pretty much equal status to Men amongst the Celtic tribes, it was the Romans that introduced the idea of woman as less than Men, especially with the introduction of the Roman Catholic church.
Not at all, this is from the beginning of time. Roman's didn't "introduce" shit
Ehm, no
@@ArividerchiMagmuasue what’s from „the beginning of time“ that women are seen as less than men?
Definitely not.
Please open a history book.
But men and women where pretty much equal in their „rights“ from „the beginning of time“.
It’s only when certain civilisations brought in the concept of „property“ and jining families through a concept like marriage that certain roles became more and more engraved.
But trust me, it didn’t start out like that and it never should have been like that.
Of course genders are different and there are a lot of biological differences like in strength and the ability to being life into this world (actually being the only leading two differences)
But none of wich should ever be a factor that justifies the incredible unjust and humiliating things that people had to go trough, like rights being denied etc based on their biological sex or their race.
@@lenibeni7421 Equal my arse
Are you certain of that?
Why did the Brigantes overthrow Cartimandua then??
Was it different between nobles and commoners?
I like the second type of marriage. Total independence on owñself
This is something that doesn't get mentioned all that often. Most people only think of the 1st type when they hear about marriage in ancient Rome.
Thanks Romaboo!
A husband and wife held joint property in Rome. Men did not manage finances at all, and it was even considered un-manly to do so. Women were the accountants of the household.
She didn't own it though. She managed it. All it was still blong to the men along with the woman.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 - If that's what you believe, then you don't know what a marriage is.
This is so interesting - & who is the owner of the beautiful voice?
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Which show's clips are running in the background I can see Tobias Menzies and Mrs. Featherington from Bridgerton.
This guy's voice sounds exactly like one of the voices in Lapse 2: Before Zero
Over the long time of it's existence, the Roman empire had more than two versions of marriage (e.g. per usum, literally 'by use').
Gosh, who would have thought that I'd ever use my knowledge from my presentation in my 11th grade Latin class ever again.
This is the Roman republic, not empire.
Women, sh!t on since the dawn of time.
It didn't just get like this in the last few decades.
I’d much rather be a woman still at that time , all that damn fighting and wars they had to do back then nooooooooo thanks 😅
@@joimonae4090 I'll take war any day to be a literal fucking slave.
@@joimonae4090Yeah, but no one is going to help you if the Huns sack your city
Me the based paradox player attacking my son-in-law so he accepts the matrilineal marriage proposal.
Andrew Tate and his fan boys would love to bring back the first kind lol.
Thank God for Sine Manu marriage!
So the woman in a divorce was her father's problem.🤔😁🥳👍
No she would inherit her father's possession, pay attention
@@gaia7240 that's what he's saying, pay attention
@@ArividerchiMagmuasue read again both comments
@@gaia7240 done, read again the 3 comments
@@ArividerchiMagmuasue what don't you understand then?
And shortly after the centeries old Empire fell.
More or less the difference in American marriage in 19th vs 20th century (after we did away with coverture and allowed divorce).
I’ll have the number 2 please!
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women in the ancient world were super oppressed except in Egypt
good
@@geoDB. why good? you hate your mother and sisters?
@@geoDB. no bitches?
Bull
Not everywhere.
First one seems bad till you remember that debts would transferfrom parents to children.
I think I heard somewhere that the Christian wife back then had more freedoms then the average Roman wife.
Me as an Indian watching,"Oh so we are still following the 1st way of Roman marriage"
The poor indian women...
99% cum manu and 1% sine manu. I want sine manu for myself. Not willing to surrender myself to another family where 90% of the time women are tortured and/or demonized.
Cum Mano - With Hand
"Hmnm... Understandable"
Sine Mano- Without Hand
"I mean... what other thing are you even going to use?"
😂
So this was why Livia wasn’t adopted into the Julian Family until *after* Augustus died?! Interesting. Always wondered why that was.
Look how far we've come. This is why its so important to maintain our way of life in the West.
Yeah let’s make sure we keep being a collapsing society
@@whitezombie10 That isn't what I said at all, you just made it up. Pointless comment.
Wait wait wait who came in their hand?
Not funny
@@gaia7240 plenty funny
@@ArividerchiMagmuasue for an 11 years old
@@gaia7240 "years"? You're talking a lot about age for someone who can't write
Your mama
In addition to this, I find it interesting how women received a "dowry" during marriage. This is different than some other forms of the dowry, as the woman herself would receive the money and jewels. This dowry would be used to build the household, and acted as protection for the woman in case of divorce or becoming a widow.
I find these things fascinating as they are often ignored by modern people, or used as proof of sexism, when in reality these were the defenses that early women had. As social structures have changed, these concepts have been lost, creating a vacuum that has since led to modern social ills.
In some cultures in modern times, women who receive dowries from their families, find themselves married to opportunists who just take the money.
It seems like laws can sure be abused.
Ah yes a flickering candle light at the dead end of a long dar tunnel. How lovely.
What’s the movie/series in the background?
What's the movie playing in the background?
i can imagine being a poor woman and with marriage rules like these id find me a rich a husband fast af 🤣🤣🤣
yea disconnecting from my dads family is too much and not being able to inherit his money would suck but I get the not owning anything/everything is under my husband.
Plus it’s the Roman times, most women complain about working today lol I don’t think they would’ve minded a free house and food as someone poor and all you have to do is take care of the house
You wouldn't. The rich man would take you as his mistress, while marrying the daughter of another rich man. Class structure is a thing even today.
So basically 204 BC was the downfall of the roman family.
Yea no wander that after that rome graduly had increasing instability and civil war. It brot down the republic
Rome reached it's height early in the 2nd century AD, 300 years later. It also lasted for another 350 years after that. You really are desperate to shoe horn in your grievances into unrelated historical contexts aren't you?
@@RB01138 bruh they are so clearly meme'ing
@@krisp1871 nice cop out. These people are plenty serious, there's lots of them, and when called out they retreat to the "was just joking bro" defence.
@@krisp1871 nah the other guy is right. It is all a facade.
Now I know. And knowing is half the battle
Doo dee doo.
Very Instructive
What is the name of the tv show or movie?
Thank you for teaching us about the injust marital laws of Ancient Rome. No wonder they’re obsolete.
What are the questionable aspects of sine manu marriage?
Like the second type of marriage
@@RoddyPipersCorneasL you
Me wondering what show or movie the background video is from🧍🏽♂️
Its "Rome" by HBO
@@RomabooRamblings thank youuuu. Also the info about the weddings and marriage was very interesting as well
What was the name of this tv shows?