How a voluntary safety agreement, cruise ship itineraries and poor decisions, led to a tragedy!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- On August 5, 2021, a scenic flight from Ketchikan, Alaska, destined for the breathtaking Misty Fjords, tragically ended in disaster due to a combination of a non-mandatory safety agreement and the pilot's strict adherence to a cruise ship's schedule. This detailed account explores how these factors, along with critical decision-making errors, led to a catastrophic event, highlighting the paramount importance of revising safety protocols in the aviation industry to prevent future losses.
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Music: "Rising Storm" by Cold Cinema
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Thanks for helping raise awareness to aviation safety, being around planes since i was 5, having now about 660 hours and counting, and loosing my mom and sister in this incident, i appreciate channels like these who keep awarennes up and hopefully prevent others from enduring the same thing.
Mom was a flight attendant for Delta for 34 years at the time of the accident, and my sister was in college at Costal Carolina...
My moms whole side of the family was or is in aviation. Her dad, my grandfather is a veteran pilot with nearly 33k hours and put down aviation at the age of 87. Hes my rolemodel, and helped me and the rest of the family start in aviation.
Complacency is a real thing in aviation
Its not much, but heres a small donation to your cause. God Bless
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Wow, this is unexpected... thank you so much! Your support and contribution mean a lot, and I'm honored to be part of raising awareness about aviation safety. Your family's connection to aviation is truly remarkable, and I admire the legacy your grandfather has left. Enjoy your flying and stay safe!
So sorry for your loss
I’m so sorry for your loss.
My prayers & condolences to you & your family. Your mother & sister sound like they were strong beautiful women. Know that each day they are looking down on you from heaven, and are proud of the great man that you are. 🙏🙏🙏
Think about that name; "Misty Fjords". Umm 🤔 Misty is your first clue. And yes, I've been there. I'm a retired helicopter pilot. There's no shame in canceling any flight.
I’m an active airline pilot and could not agree more. We enjoy going on cruises but never once have taken an aviation-based excursion because there’s no realistic way to look into the operator. The need to book in demand excursions well in advance means you have no way of analyzing the weather for the flight either.
RIP to the victims.
@@HEDGE1011 Same w/cruise ships that pull up alongside active volcanoes because the tour operators think it's all good to go take a looksie so long as you lay low if you can't breathe through the acid-air and hope she don't blow...and thar she blows and takes out 30 lives!
Unfortunately that was my mom and sister on this flight. I aint gonna watch it now. But will come back to it-
I'm deeply sorry for your profound loss. I always keep those affected by these accidents in mind when creating these videos, and I strive to present the content with the utmost respect and sensitivity. My heartfelt condolences to you and your family.
@flightpathaviation1 thanks I appreciate it. And you do a good job.
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My condolences, so unfortunate
Very sad for your loss.
Moss from The IT Crowd makes a fine narrator.
These accidents will continue for ever.
ForeFlight has synthetic vision. Bizarre why the pilot did not, at the very least, have this in front of him. A relatively inexpensive iPad puts sophisticated technology right in the cockpit. As for the “let this accident inspire change that will avert such accidents in the future”, I disagree. At some point we need to stop trying to regulate every single human action. Accidents happen. One such accident does not scream for regulation. We neither need nor want a nanny state. Those who want a nanny-state should simply self regulate the activities they participate in. To be clear, the passengers had the right to expect that professionals were in charge. But, inherent in humans being in charge is the “human factor”. Regulation should be imposed with a light touch that addresses large/recurring safety issues: not with a heavy hand designed to address every single human failing or statistically isolated incidents.
Outstanding commentary.
Agree. Liberty is endangered already.
Flew that exact route last year in a beautiful Beaver from another company. If the weather had been marginal no way would I have boarded, even if it meant losing my money.
If you’re a company making money with your customers lives and can’t show you did all you could to not kill them, you get regulated. I agree this pilot violated already prudent and existing regulations and adding one more he would have likely violated probably wouldn’t have mattered. Had the cruise line or tour operator simply required 5 miles viz/ 5k’ ceiling for entire established route’ this could relieve the pressure on pilots to make questionable go/no go decisions. Would this impact the tour operators bottom line? Likely. But if it saved some lives seems worth it. I flew for 30 years and can attest to the pressure pilots can feel by their owner/bosses chasing dollars over safety. The helo air ambulance industry was blighted with quite a few unscrupulous owners pressuring crews to die so they can make money.
So many of these fatal flights are simply pleasure flights. There should be zero pressure to make them happen.
All that being said, for SE Alaska, that weather is just good enough to invite one to paint yourself into a corner. Though he flew over some lakes he could’ve landed on til the weather improved, I’m sure the cruise schedule added pressure to get back.
Commercial aircraft activity has always been regulated - sometimes with better effect than others. Regulations express a social contract we have with one another for our mutual safety and benefit - not a nanny state.
As has been noted, this was not an 'accident', it was a misjudgement by a pilot who had previously lost an aircraft in a situation that displayed similar misjudgement. The change required is not MORE regulation, it is effective application of EXISTING regulations. As was noted in the narrative, the pilot had several options - shift to instrument flight rules, take a longer route that allowed better visibility (such as following Behm Canal below the cloud ceiling), and so on. Instead, he made a terrible and tragic choice that echoed his previous poor choice, and this time it cost not only an aircraft, but six lives. He should have been grounded for retraining after the first incident, since it was (like this one) entirely avoidable.
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IMC = turn around
Better yet: don’t fly into it.
assuming it isnt all around...
I keep wandering how such an experienced pilot can be tricked into the weather, like a rookie? Obviously, he was instrument rated, why just not climb at a safe altitude and proceed to the bay area?
It sounds like he was told to go regardless of telling the owner the weather was not good
I lived in Ketchikan from 2006-08. Since that time the floatplane operators there have killed close to 30 people! That is chilling! I would only get on one if the weather was clear. I don’t think the cruise ship passengers really understand the risks they are taking.
How many people have died 0n Alaska roads in just the last year?? Yet you probably don’t think twice and take the chance every time you drive down to the local Bob Evan’s for your morning coffee. I don’t think car passengers really understand the risks they are taking. 🤷♂️ that’s the chilling part.
@@rapman5791 Thing is air travel is statistically safer than traveling on the roads. And I would dare say that every aircraft accident in Ketchikan was 100% preventable. Thanks for playing!
@@rapman5791dude, you’re a sick pup!
I notice the cruise line was quick to point out that the operators of the aircraft were a separate contractor. Wouldn't the cruise company vet these operators to ensure basic alignment with standards such as ISO so at least the customers can rest assured that the operators are not cowboys?
A pilot doesn’t “recommend” cancelling a flight for obvious foul weather. He just cancels. Or dies/kills. And doesn’t scud run. Gotta make good decisions. And pay attention to weather reports and personal minimums. Hope kills. So does macho. Pure American corporate greed.
It should be mandatory for the planes in Alaska to be equipped with a computer screen allowing to see the terrain when the plane is in the clouds.
He didn't need more training to know that the conditions were not safe for flight.
Welcome to Alaska tourist. Some of you might have a very bad experience that might be fatal as it happens every year. It is common for multiple members of one family to be involved in these accidents. Once a whole family was involved.
Great overview of an all too familiar 'continuation of a VFR flight into IMC conditions'. I'm a pilot myself, and I can tell you, it's tricky sometimes, to know when to pull the plug on a flight and do a 180 back to safety. This was my personal experience a few years ago - ruclips.net/video/KQrFmMZedao/видео.html Wonderful graphics BTW in your video, MSFS I presume, but the water rendering is particularly good.
Thank you for the compliments! I just watched your video, and I must say, it was quite scary to watch. Kudos to you for making the brave decision to turn back in time.
“Tricky”? When in doubt, go back. Your life is at stake.
How a pilot involved in an negligent accident few weeks before was allowed to carry passengers ....regardless thousand of hrs on the record !!!!!!
It sounds like he was told to go regardless of telling the owner the weather was not good
Crazy. He could have flown south and west along the lake system. On the deck the whole way. ...20nm farther.
Owners of cruise ship lines only cares about money and the passengers?????? whatever!!!!!
Condolences to the bereft.
Salvage by making 180 turn and decent onto a low level lake tour. Be safe.😊
Tragic 😥
Man, paid with their lives, expensive cruise.
Well Done Bravo at the most respect to whomever or well. The farewell is sounding. Onward 🌈 carry on
Good work. Respect 👍🙂
Why didn't he go IFR?
Wondering *
Well it definitely wasn’t thunderstorming that day as the CGI suggested.
People are always willing to risk their lives for photos
The Beaver is an awesome airplane, too bad they quit making them
Why doesn't this channel have a trillion subs? What are people doing, watching the trillionth replay of MAYDAY?🙄
Thank you, Flighpath Aviation. You really do produce excellent content. And your visuals are amazing! AMAZING I SAY!🏆🛩🥇
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That plane looks like it has shopping cart wheels🤣
Very sad.
Been flying for 22 yrs. Only fly day vfr as my wife prefers that. And if that is what it takes to have her fly with me and enjoy the shared experience I’m ok with limiting my flights to vfr weather
Does this mean the Holland cruise ship is not liable for the death of the passengers on a contractors aircraft ?
They will likely be named in the lawsuits.
Graphics are becoming incredible.
makes you want to rush out and buy fs 2024
One day you wont tell the difference.
Let me guess, all of the blame falls on a 'greedy corporation '
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99% of the time, that would be true. Greedy corporations and people are the cancer of our country.
The cruise ship companies push these excursions as they get a cut.
@@Chris_at_Home The cruise lines don't specify, nor should they, the weather conditions for a go/no go decision. Cruise lines are not in the aviation business. That should be up to the pilots and companies who are providing the flights.
@@Smokeyham I didn’t say they tell the pilot to fly, they just sell the excursion. I’m sure the flight seeing outfit sees the money they are going to loose that day and base some of their decisions on that. I’ve used many charter services for work in Alaska and I never push the pilot. My attitude is there is always tomorrow so they would get their money either way.
blame was on the pilot. It was his descions that causes the accident. No one elses. bad guess
Commercial pressure rules everytime M🙁
15000 hours to Challenge heavy bad weather.
Complacency.
First. Going to watch it now.
How was it?
@@andayaman Good
This is beyond comprehension!
Seeing that weather taxiing OUT🌧️ I would speak up and do whatever I could even if it meant opening a door, or physically prevent the pilot by any means necessary from continuing. I am sure some probably considered it but wether to pilot showing confidence or their own thoughts of the pilot knows what he’s doing…look how experienced he is…
this sadly and through complete negligence on behalf of the pilot, these passengers were killed, destroying not only their lives, but oh so many down the line😢
Passengers tend to trust their pilot. Wet weather in Alaska is not unusual so it is natural to assume your pilot is competent and will make wise decisions.
" Financial wellbeing "..........greed