I know this is an old video and I hope you're still training and enjoying it. For those in the comments I have a few things to say. I'm honestly saddened and disappointed. Let's just consider the possibility that the ones being critical are actually ATA black belts. Ok...fine. I am so honored and proud of my school, my instructor, my classmates. We are all caring and supportive of each other and we build each other up. When I'm having a bad day I know I can go to class and not feel judged. I get constructive criticism. Don't get me wrong. If my form needs work I'm told. I'm assisted and I told to work on certain areas. But honestly a lot of you sound like bitter women judging each other like "Your shoes look like they're from Walmart" or "Didn't you wear that dress already?" None of you know what is going on in this person's life. Some people barely have time to train for therapy like me. Some don't have the time off work or from responsibilities to work on getting the next stripe on the gi. Some people can't physically get deep stances due to knee problems. In my school we are absolutely not allowed to bully or ridicule each other or put others down to make ourselves feel better. We're not even allowed to put ourselves down or say anything like "I suck at this". I have issues with self esteem still and my instructor and classmates will call me out if and when they hear me put myself down and they absolutely should. If we get caught doing that to others in class we do burpees no matter what rank we are. We're encouraged to act honorably on and off the mat. I realize my comment could be turned on me and say that I'm bring critical and a hypocrite. I don't see it that way. This is a reminder to be mindful. One of our life skills is respect. I don't see much respect in the comments here. This is not how I've been taught that black belts should act. Does your school not do the pledges? Or you say the pledges out of habit but don't live it? Courtesy and respect for others doesn't end when you step off the mat. It's not just courtesy to classmates and instructors. How you act on the mat is how you should act out in public. I'm a quiet person normally but sometimes I find moments that I just need to speak up and we as black belts need to be held accountable. We need to hold each other accountable.
Taekwondo had a big impact on me as a child because doing something that was difficult in taekwondo was the first character forming I did as a person, but there's a lot of cult aspects to it like the constant bowing, and calling the instructor "sir". None of that is in JiuJitsu, the respect is all legitimate and natural friendly respect. JiuJitsu instructors aren't only good teachers but they're everyone's friend, so they're very informal, but no one ever disrespects them and it takes advantage of that friendliness and challenges them to a fight.
I am a member of ATA & NEVER felt disrespected met/meeting great families great instructors. They take time to build relationships with everyone individually. No where near a cult it’s about respecting sir positions as they also respect you. But much love and peace to you my friend
first question in my head was...how is he a third degree and still has a red strip on his Gi? Anyways im old school ATA so ive seen many legends perform this thing with ease because they practiced it
I remember doing that kata in wushu the only difference was my teacher would beat the shit out of me for poor stance and slow speed, and i was a mere red belt, you sir are a great reminder of why i got those beatings.
I am trying to work on this form and i can already tell tht there is no way i can bend like tht. I a would hav better chance at disarming a hydrogen bomb. My instructors would be embarrassed if i tried this at graduation. But my ATA career is over anyway in a few months
I am a member of the ATA and even tho I am not practicing long I already know that this is just the traditional form they show you so no you are not going to use this on the streets but that's also not why they learn it. Also if you are in the ATA community doesn't matter were then you should also know that they train Krav Maga wich is specifically for on the street so al the negative comments I see I guess are coming form people who have never been in ATA 🙄
I studied tae kwon do for a year straight 7 days a week 3 hours a day, i payed a triple membership, so i know a thing or 2 about ATA, and you would be dead wrong if you think that this was meant to be ceremonial, every move if done properly and with true effort is meant to leave an opponent unconscious, its not his fault his school is now a Mcdojo, its his sorry ass teachers fault for not correcting him and making him think he is an actual black belt.
to Dave S. there is stance work and real life application that GOOD instructors teach and GOOD students do. you need a good instructor to have the best students, in this case while he may be a black belt-3rd degree even, his kicks, stances, and so forth are sloppy. there is also no hand foot timing that is wanted for such a form, so to say this is the finished product here as it should be in all its glory would be false. this is simply one school's student doing their form at their current state of growth as a student. Hopefully he is better at it now since he has had time to improve. Also no martial arts should be counted as better than the other, what matters is how you practice it and if you have skill. that is what makes a good martial artist, not the martial art.
I would have to agree with many of the negative and positive comments that were made. Nothing will work on the streets unless you're fast or can read body language and counter easily. Also, many forms/katas out there are an exhibition of techniques only. I wonder what masters of centuries ago would have to say about martial arts today. Hmmmm............
Some of the things people say in RUclips comments are some of the worst and annoying things. Why is it your goal to tear someone apart? These forms are used to teach techniques. Inductors tell you that you won't use a form on the street and they tell you what it is actually like. Quit being negative and so cynical.
Personally, in my experience, this "discipline" is a sport and is pretty to watch...but never attempt to use it in a true self defense situation, you will end up in the hospital or worse with the poor instruction and the false faith the instructors install in the students that this weak form will work on the streets. Buyer be aware!!! Also, in this path of study there is no stance work, no methods to break the opponents stance to dump or manipulate them, no true application to the forms in a combat effective method and just looks like it is a pretty dance and slapping at the air, and I had eaten many TKD black belts when we played. I am a proponent of martial arts, but not one that is profit driven, commercialized, or watered down as this form. I would suggest to study Hapkido if you want to stay in the Korean stream.
Don't be jealous just because you can't kick like that and you're too lacking in balancing ability, leg strength, flexibility and athleticism to do any of those moves. Taekwondo is famous partly because of its many powerful kicks which I'm sure you could never learn to do. You say you've "eaten many TKD black belts when we played". I trained in taekwondo for four years before trying out karate and right from the start I would always out kick my opponents while sparring in karate and also while sparring with one person who I trained with who practiced wing-chun. I also learned things from these other martial arts which helped me in taekwondo. This proved to me that no martial art is useless. You only show how stuck in a box your views are regarding martial arts in general.
Well my subordinate....you like to "spar" and bloat your ego with padding and false study of a joke sport. I would love to see you do your "strong" kicks in a bar fight or a realistic situation. I can bet that you have never been in a real situation that you had to use your training, but I am sure that you will come up with a lame excuse or story. I am just stating this is a worthless form and manipulates countless of people who want to get in budo...but get robbed by learning a sport and paying thousands of dollars for a waste of time!
Dave S Personally, I think ATA uses forms as ways to demonstrate skills and discipline as opposed to practical application. We do however, implement some self defense aspects into teachings and sparring to use in properly realistic situations.
Yes, this sport here has one thing to offer, showing how much of a joke it is and proving that it's flashy, pretty, and will not work in a real situation!
I have a 357, 38, 44 and a 45 and 9mm (ccw), but you can't always have that with you....federal parks like the ARCH, swimming pools - last I checked most firearms aren't water safe, lol, schools (well, those with safeguards), most gov offices, etc. So good idea to know some kind of self defense.
the kicks and strikes were good, the timing was good, everything was good, except some of the stances were sloppy. Sir, you have a 3rd degree black belt, why is that?
It also is a regional variance. When I competed in the mid-south, I tended to fare better than in the mid-west or out east, where stances, strikes, and kicks have a little different flavor. But that was 20 years ago, maybe ATA has more consistency now
So impressive-thank you sir
I know this is an old video and I hope you're still training and enjoying it. For those in the comments I have a few things to say. I'm honestly saddened and disappointed. Let's just consider the possibility that the ones being critical are actually ATA black belts. Ok...fine. I am so honored and proud of my school, my instructor, my classmates. We are all caring and supportive of each other and we build each other up. When I'm having a bad day I know I can go to class and not feel judged. I get constructive criticism. Don't get me wrong. If my form needs work I'm told. I'm assisted and I told to work on certain areas. But honestly a lot of you sound like bitter women judging each other like "Your shoes look like they're from Walmart" or "Didn't you wear that dress already?"
None of you know what is going on in this person's life. Some people barely have time to train for therapy like me. Some don't have the time off work or from responsibilities to work on getting the next stripe on the gi. Some people can't physically get deep stances due to knee problems.
In my school we are absolutely not allowed to bully or ridicule each other or put others down to make ourselves feel better. We're not even allowed to put ourselves down or say anything like "I suck at this". I have issues with self esteem still and my instructor and classmates will call me out if and when they hear me put myself down and they absolutely should. If we get caught doing that to others in class we do burpees no matter what rank we are. We're encouraged to act honorably on and off the mat.
I realize my comment could be turned on me and say that I'm bring critical and a hypocrite. I don't see it that way. This is a reminder to be mindful. One of our life skills is respect. I don't see much respect in the comments here. This is not how I've been taught that black belts should act. Does your school not do the pledges? Or you say the pledges out of habit but don't live it?
Courtesy and respect for others doesn't end when you step off the mat. It's not just courtesy to classmates and instructors. How you act on the mat is how you should act out in public. I'm a quiet person normally but sometimes I find moments that I just need to speak up and we as black belts need to be held accountable. We need to hold each other accountable.
I love the comments from these Keyboard Masters on here, many of whom got their martial arts training playing Martal Kombat
then even the least serious martial artist would know that for a third degree....this was sloppy as hell.
I have to learn this form for my 4th digree black belt test
Good luck. I just started learning this form and it's hard. A lot of flexibility required.
Poetry in motion with a black belt attitude....nice!!
Taekwondo had a big impact on me as a child because doing something that was difficult in taekwondo was the first character forming I did as a person, but there's a lot of cult aspects to it like the constant bowing, and calling the instructor "sir". None of that is in JiuJitsu, the respect is all legitimate and natural friendly respect. JiuJitsu instructors aren't only good teachers but they're everyone's friend, so they're very informal, but no one ever disrespects them and it takes advantage of that friendliness and challenges them to a fight.
I am a member of ATA & NEVER felt disrespected met/meeting great families great instructors. They take time to build relationships with everyone individually. No where near a cult it’s about respecting sir positions as they also respect you. But much love and peace to you my friend
first question in my head was...how is he a third degree and still has a red strip on his Gi? Anyways im old school ATA so ive seen many legends perform this thing with ease because they practiced it
I remember doing that kata in wushu the only difference was my teacher would beat the shit out of me for poor stance and slow speed, and i was a mere red belt, you sir are a great reminder of why i got those beatings.
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I am trying to work on this form and i can already tell tht there is no way i can bend like tht. I a would hav better chance at disarming a hydrogen bomb. My instructors would be embarrassed if i tried this at graduation. But my ATA career is over anyway in a few months
Thank you for your comments! We will work on that Sir!!!
I am a member of the ATA and even tho I am not practicing long I already know that this is just the traditional form they show you so no you are not going to use this on the streets but that's also not why they learn it. Also if you are in the ATA community doesn't matter were then you should also know that they train Krav Maga wich is specifically for on the street so al the negative comments I see I guess are coming form people who have never been in ATA 🙄
I studied tae kwon do for a year straight 7 days a week 3 hours a day, i payed a triple membership, so i know a thing or 2 about ATA, and you would be dead wrong if you think that this was meant to be ceremonial, every move if done properly and with true effort is meant to leave an opponent unconscious, its not his fault his school is now a Mcdojo, its his sorry ass teachers fault for not correcting him and making him think he is an actual black belt.
to Dave S. there is stance work and real life application that GOOD instructors teach and GOOD students do. you need a good instructor to have the best students, in this case while he may be a black belt-3rd degree even, his kicks, stances, and so forth are sloppy. there is also no hand foot timing that is wanted for such a form, so to say this is the finished product here as it should be in all its glory would be false. this is simply one school's student doing their form at their current state of growth as a student. Hopefully he is better at it now since he has had time to improve. Also no martial arts should be counted as better than the other, what matters is how you practice it and if you have skill. that is what makes a good martial artist, not the martial art.
I would have to agree with many of the negative and positive comments that were made. Nothing will work on the streets unless you're fast or can read body language and counter easily. Also, many forms/katas out there are an exhibition of techniques only. I wonder what masters of centuries ago would have to say about martial arts today. Hmmmm............
Very nicely done Sir.
its like they made up all these bullshit forms. lol
Every martial arts form that has ever been practiced was "made up" by someone.
real dumb reply
Some of the things people say in RUclips comments are some of the worst and annoying things. Why is it your goal to tear someone apart? These forms are used to teach techniques. Inductors tell you that you won't use a form on the street and they tell you what it is actually like. Quit being negative and so cynical.
*Instructors
Personally, in my experience, this "discipline" is a sport and is pretty to watch...but never attempt to use it in a true self defense situation, you will end up in the hospital or worse with the poor instruction and the false faith the instructors install in the students that this weak form will work on the streets. Buyer be aware!!! Also, in this path of study there is no stance work, no methods to break the opponents stance to dump or manipulate them, no true application to the forms in a combat effective method and just looks like it is a pretty dance and slapping at the air, and I had eaten many TKD black belts when we played. I am a proponent of martial arts, but not one that is profit driven, commercialized, or watered down as this form. I would suggest to study Hapkido if you want to stay in the Korean stream.
Don't be jealous just because you can't kick like that and you're too lacking in balancing ability, leg strength, flexibility and athleticism to do any of those moves. Taekwondo is famous partly because of its many powerful kicks which I'm sure you could never learn to do. You say you've "eaten many TKD black belts when we played". I trained in taekwondo for four years before trying out karate and right from the start I would always out kick my opponents while sparring in karate and also while sparring with one person who I trained with who practiced wing-chun. I also learned things from these other martial arts which helped me in taekwondo. This proved to me that no martial art is useless. You only show how stuck in a box your views are regarding martial arts in general.
Well my subordinate....you like to "spar" and bloat your ego with padding and false study of a joke sport. I would love to see you do your "strong" kicks in a bar fight or a realistic situation. I can bet that you have never been in a real situation that you had to use your training, but I am sure that you will come up with a lame excuse or story. I am just stating this is a worthless form and manipulates countless of people who want to get in budo...but get robbed by learning a sport and paying thousands of dollars for a waste of time!
Dave SAll martial arts have something to offer...
Dave S Personally, I think ATA uses forms as ways to demonstrate skills and discipline as opposed to practical application. We do however, implement some self defense aspects into teachings and sparring to use in properly realistic situations.
Yes, this sport here has one thing to offer, showing how much of a joke it is and proving that it's flashy, pretty, and will not work in a real situation!
My 45 works good
I have a 357, 38, 44 and a 45 and 9mm (ccw), but you can't always have that with you....federal parks like the ARCH, swimming pools - last I checked most firearms aren't water safe, lol, schools (well, those with safeguards), most gov offices, etc. So good idea to know some kind of self defense.
sloppy foot work
the kicks and strikes were good, the timing was good, everything was good, except some of the stances were sloppy. Sir, you have a 3rd degree black belt, why is that?
some ATA practitioners have deep stances, and some have casual stances. Everyone has their own style I believe.
It also is a regional variance. When I competed in the mid-south, I tended to fare better than in the mid-west or out east, where stances, strikes, and kicks have a little different flavor. But that was 20 years ago, maybe ATA has more consistency now
Not bad.