"I'VE GHOSTWRITTEN FOR N**** TOP 5!!! CROOK & JOELL SPEAK ON GHOSTWRITING & ARTIST W/ LYRICAL GIFT
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I don’t think people realize how dope crooked and joell are lyrically
Facts
Real.
Nah niggaz know. If you AT LEAST 28, you better know!
Facts...ppl just don't like hip-hop anymore
@@Midwest_Jimmy Casual fans dont
23 year old Biggie wrote Ready to Die..Just as important a 19 year old Rakim penned Paid In Full…2 classics by these young brothers that still stand the test of time!!
Don’t forget Nas illmatic 19-21
Dudes were different back then. LL was 17 when Radio came out. Mobb Deep was in their early 20s with Infamous
Pac songs bro!!
@@damianalbertozapata2476 Pac lyrics were/are mediocre.
@@fruitpac Facts
I appreciate these lyricists Finally pulling back the curtain. Everyone Eats… rappers AND writers. 🙏🏾💪🏾💥
Depends who you have in your top 5 but i don't buy this for a second
This isn’t new Crooked has written for top industry acts for years if not decades
This is not far fetched. Reference tracks get shopped around everyday in the music industry. It’s a business.
@@peteyalyanak Give some names.
1)____
2)____
3)____
Not forever just 3
A true writer can channel anything to convey the message!!!!
Yes. Lyrical storytelling is key, reading books, magazines and knowing words gives you an edge vs. grabbing any two words that rhyme.
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Gotta Thank @MathHoffa and The Crew For This Last Month Of Great Interviews
Crook’s Pen has always been elite level Since death row days respect, Joel nice also ✊🏾💯 salute Hoffa Gang
Hoffa's line of questioning is top tier...He knows the right questions to ask 💯🔥
I was just thinking about that. His line of questioning shows no fear, no agenda like other interviewers. I love this pod.
Facts
Absolutely. I wish he would have gone with a process of elimination line of questioning when it came to the ghostwriting as in maybe who do you think does write all their own stuff or do you think so and so writes all their lyrics.
@@josephbattaglia6120 Truth is, there’s very few at the top who write ALL their lyrics. Maybe one or two hands of people
Private I Math on the case😂
i always been a fan of Joel Ortiz , dude just naturally talented and underrated idc what anyone says.
Shout out to Hoffa for inviting two of the nastiest emcees of the new millennium to his show! You killin ish, Math!!! 🔥
New millennium? They been around for 20 yrs. Lol
@@CSpad Son. We are 20 years into the new millennium right now. They are definitely part of the new millennium. I wasn’t calling them New Emcees. Peace
Big up for Crook for mentioning MC Abdul!!!
Thank you Math for shouting him out!
Ghost writing always been a part of hip hop and always will be
Very true. Cube wrote boyz n the hood
Let's go 🔥🙏🏽 Math killing the game with these introspective conversations.
Man I straight up love the content, conversations and the direction of this show..
Diary of a ghost writer..a best seller waiting to be published 🖋📚
I know my heart, but the Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above of all things and desperately wicked" and a deceitful heart cannot diagnose a deceitful heart...
I enjoy every clip out out on this cast!! Its all informative and fire!!!
23 was old back then compared to now... by 19, I had a prison bid, a son, and mad life experience. These kids now got it good outside of places like Chicago where they still trapped in that mentality we grew up in. I'm 35 now. Growing up in the 90s was different. And worse for the generation before me.
You sound like a goofy
I did notice joel singing on that last album and I enjoyed it. Crooked and Joel made my playlist so fast with that album. I was listening to that just last night. I got atleast 7 favorites from that and i enjoy the skits, but i also have favorite skits from that album that also made my playlist which i always listen to. 💥
Much love to MC Abdul! That was really dope for shorty to get that shout out. He’s nice, too!
WOW.. I just became even a bigger fan of Joell and Crook! We'll all be surprised if we found out what they've ghostwritten for others, and not just Hip-Hop 🔥🔥
Mostly for Dr.Dre, Drake, Kanye and Diddy
I wouldn't be surprised if Jay Z was one of them.. he's used Lupe Fiasco to GW songs on the Black Album.
@@thehandleisuseless nah he’s not talking about them lol you don’t want him to really say who he talkin about
@@TonyBambino that's a lie 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@thehandleisuseless Niggas that are known to have writers
Pac was that dude. When I listen to his song they hit me hard. Brenda Got a baby made me feel sick to my stomach. Dear Mama always brings me to tears, Mr against the world makes me want to go against anybody. I love the fact that he is still relevant today 20 + years after his passing because he didn't write for his generation but for posterity
Just know PAC was not that dude lyrically before he died. He was a 2nd string MC. Don't rewrite history.
@@Shamgod777 stop
@@Shamgod777 That's your opinion. Cook's opinion is different and I bet he is more a lyricist than you are. For me it is how his music hit me. You don't like it, it's alright, I do and so do millions of people
Smile - Face and Pac is on that typa timing as well. Ironically, the song is called Smile, but I get sad whenever I listen to it.
@@Shamgod777 put the coke down bruh
Good episode. Deep. Respect Hoffa. You on a roll.
Like a raw paper doobie!!!!
Crooked is freaking monster … go to his death row days to now 20 years of just mind blowing verses and deep hard shit
This is why I call this show the best show that's on RUclips right now because you can learn a lot from this
Love the show, but the release format Hoffa got is annoying as fuck to me 😂. But Im guessing it makes sense business wise idk.
Sometimes it's not what is said but the person that says it that makes it powerful
That AI analogy was top tier!! Respect
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Always amazing content homie, we rocking wit u down south Peace! ✊🏾💯
This THE best show on yt no cap, much love from naptown
Life after death was written by a 23 year old!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥that’s Ridiculous
Pac wrote from the soul, you didn't have to be a hard-core person to understand Pac. My parents passed when I was young and when hear Pain I think about my parents. That song spoke to me during my middle and high school years. Dear Mama was another song that takes me to a place man. Pac was our generation Marvin Gaye.
Goat
Damn how cool it is for MC Abdul to get a shout out by these guys on this show. That's love right there.
Hands down this was my personal favorite......explained a lot 👌
I was born in 94. Slaughterhouse is my favorite rap group of all time. House Rules was just 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Me too bro 94 babies
3:51 might be the biggest thing in hip hop that some OGs wont get but ,Hoffa hit the nail on the nose .
These 2 are so important in hip hop and the music game for cats like me man. Please keep it coming man Harbor City up my ninjas shits nockin
Good shit Hoffa interviewing my guys
Speaking of being young and conveying feelings we all can relate to ..."Can we talk...for a minute?" Props to talented Tevin Campbell forever. It's not always about the writing, but the conveying of the emotions.
“MY ART FORM IS THE MOST COMPLEX” 🔥🔥🔥🔥 #PHANTOM 🎭
Yoooooo you got crooked and Joel on here.... Big Salute Math. Big F.....ng Salute my G!!!
I’m learning from this interview how intelligent Joell really is
1250 SAT score
And you can't get NOTHING past him either, he peeps EVERYTHING!!
Could hear it in his rhymes...his albums are tuff!!!!Been a fan.
Joell is very intelligent
@@astralmindny9055 - 1390, actually
Homie Skeme From Inglewood Dope Artist. Wrote “Fancy” - Iggy. Huge record Bigger than his catalog. But at the end of the Day he Wrote it. It’s a lot of things that come with Being a huge artist.
I'm waiting for the conversation about royce on the show.
Great Episode
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 loved this
Math never gets the info or names that he want to hear 😂😂 much respect to all of those guest who never drop names (even though Math begs for it) 🤣
Fuck getting sued over a NDA over ghost writing tho 😂
Let's hurry up and get to the Elephant in the Room. Joe&5/9
YEA!!!! AINT NOTHIN WRONG WIT SINGIN FACTS!!!! MATH DO YO THANG BRUH!!!!💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥💜💜💜💜
Math Hoffa ask the best questions.
Big, Jay, Nas, EM, and Jadakiss. Yeah I’m sure he’s not talking about my top five 😂😂😂
Hold up now.....if one of those mcs say was looking to come up and the other mc allowed one to write a verse for his new album while breaking off a check would that be cool.
Wale has wrote for Nas!
@@user-tk7rl6hw6c what?
@@user-tk7rl6hw6c please stop lying lol
@@user-tk7rl6hw6c that’s 🧢.
" Whoever supposedly makin me hits, but ain't got no hits, sound like they need me." - Drake
Daylyt writes for Drake and we all know battle rappers cant make hits...for themselves
@@anatorres-ym8ke what did he write ? Drake wrote for others too.
It's all about marketing. Battle rappers are known for Battle rapping. So even if they make a mainstream hit, it may not be perceived as a hit apposed to a already mainstream artist making the same record. Drake
@@1CHOZN7 Yeah but as an artist why would you give your best songs away? That's the part I don't understand.
@@southsidesasso Because if they're already known and hot it's guaranteed to pop. While you're just hoping it pop 😆! That's a big difference. It's not a hit if you sing it, but it's definitely a hit if Drake sung it. See the difference
Everybody usually that they write for ends up having a lot of fans and everything loving the music
Do you my brother congratulations for everything that you've been doing you deserve everything that you have
I don't know if there's further to this convo, but it would be interesting to hear Crook's and Joell's feelings/thoughts on their writings after releasing it to whomever.
How do they feel about some of their lyrics blowing up, perhaps even more so than things they haven't given away?
What is the experience like coming into contact with artists and, perhaps, their claims of greatness or otherwise notoriety when these guys know they've taken from their pen to get said acclaim (if there is such a scenario)?
Is there a crisis of identity associated with the notion that another's voice or face is the only thing making something a hit when it was their lyrics that hit?
I'm curious, because, for one, I could not take another's writing as part of my own career, even if as a singer, but also, where's the line to be drawn for creatives and crafting, especially if we value experiences?
Are we more superficial than we say (I think that's a given, really, but with music as well?)?
Either way, I'd love to hear their perspectives.
Math fishing for answers be hilarious... hahahahah "I see what you did there...!"
Math - you set the bar high my brother
HERE WE GOOOOOOO - WIT THE CODE TALK!!!!!
Rest in peace Tupac Biggie Small condolence to the family your soul live on greatest of all time
Fuck both of em.
Ghost face .man that song fucks me up every time I hear it. Got dam
MATH WADDUP!!!!💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥💜💜💜💜
Math nailed it
I go back and forth with the ghostwriting shit. If I heard today Hov didn't write any of the shit I grew up on then I think I would feel a certain type of way. But at the end of the day it wouldn't fuck with my appreciation of the music. I still remember being in my late teens when someone showed me Rhymefests verse on Jesus Walks and it was the saame verse word for word and that exposed Ye using ghostwriters but I didn't care at all. I think the art is the most important thing. I do think it takes certain niggas out of conversations in terms of who is the best Emcee, etc. I fuck with Drake and he can rap, but niggas penning that much of your records makes you a great artist, but I can't say you're one of the best emcees ever. Best artists/rappers? Sure.
Exactly bcuz rymefest could not convey that record like ye nutty ass lol
I see what you're saying and the art is the most important thing but at the same time, it's not their art but they're not creating it. Imagine how many people have the art form but they just can't present the way a Drake or someone else can.
Every rapper gets help sometimes, even Jay Z.
I'm pretty sure jay wrote all of his early records/albums, which in my eyes solidified him as one of the greats, but to your point, Jay been doing this for like thirty yrs, with all his business ventures in sure he got lazy with writing along the way, but to me like I said he already solidified his pen, so to me he's still in the conversation of "best MC's" he's not my favorite but I say that to say, if you are new with a ghostwriter you are Definitely not in the best mc convo.
U know Jay wrote still Dre for dre and snoop?
Is Joell saying that “Brendas got a baby” was ghostwritten for 2Pac ?!?!
Can't wait for you to drop this gem in entirety... HOFFA GANG 💯
It’s HOFFA!!!
Just go ahead and say Y’all wrote for Drake!!! 🤣🤣
Joell Ortiz wrote obsessed for Mariah Carey!!!🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭
No matter the age it’s almost always relatable
Nice!!!
What I wouldn't give to be able to sit in on that part of the convo about ghost writing, for heavy rotation artists, big high rotation records, and writing for other genres and turn the cameras off. Those NDA's....I hope they don't last forever...
You know it's all fake and politics in the rap game even without NDA'S they will never tell us unless they have major beef or something, that is why I don't understand why some rappers love to mention it if you are not giving us the names and full story
@@lilmos100 Joell's been up front about it in the past. He's written for Dre, sent detox reference tracks. Bought a condo off those checks. It's not the artist they're scared of per say, could just as easily be the label footing the bill. Not trying to piss off certain people in the building, who knows...
@@Safandula I understand but why name Dre because he is known as producer just like Kanye it doesn't matter because the perception will not change but if you say I wrote for rappers in your top 5 you know what you are doing we saw the chaos it created with meek, drake and quinten miller. And I know the industry it's all politics, but I agree with the points you made.
Wish Esso and Hynaken were in the building to stand on that “money talk” they was kickin when Royce was there
Yeah exactly, where they at? Esso a str8 up coward for this
Facts
Wisdom is in the building wooooo!
I'm proud of dis nih Hoffa for actually trying to be professional
Thank you bro, at least somebody is saying it yall swear these big artist really be writing all thi shit especially on these commercial hits and projects they push out, it takes a team to do this stuff😂
Ghost writing is a grey area. You can make claims. No one can dispute
Exactly they need to drop names or keep it to themselves
Glad to see Crooked I & Joell Ortiz on My Expert Opinion. Both put out solid albums and have always been lyrical. Nothing wrong with getting that ghostwriting money. A true lyricist doesn't have a ghostwriter though.
Joell's lyricism is 🔥
Ghost writing could mean a lot of different things. From writing a couple bars to writing an entire song. Who knows what part of these songs these guys wrote for these different artists.
Well it can only be interscope or shady but Royce did it too. What I don't understand is why they can't write their own songs???
Lol exactly nobody ever clarifies that part part
@@PardonMyPresence LMAO!
@@PardonMyPresence because not everyone is a great artist, have the right voice, etc. there is alot that goes into having a great song than just the words.
yea they should either be more specific about what they wrote, or keep it to themselves
Heavy Gratitude.
People forget how long these dudes been around. And, they still underrated!!
KXng gives props to PAC and math instantly throws in the Big too😂 KXng is giving props to PAC towards the end once again and he casually disregards him 😂👎🏾💩
what's wrong with that? That is who he gravitates to more.
They always throws big name in there everything pac is mention.
These niggas be like "Jay, u should change this ONE word, its offensive"
Jay-Z: "Aight"
These niggas: "We wrote all Jay's bars, and ya whole top 5!"
No that’s not what they be doin you’re a fan you literally proving they point negga
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Crooked My Dude!!!!
Hoffa needs to interview Double O ask Treach and Redman about Big Bra!
DOWNTOWN NEWARK!!
It’s a difference when you ghost write a hit and not just a song . Anybody can say or claim they wrote something but did the song make a impact or become an actual hit
Doesn’t matter you still get paid either way
Nigga it don’t matter if you wrote for somebody that rapper is lame don’t matter 😂😂😂😂😂 foh
@@lochofmceo It's not about the money when we talking lyrics
@@tjali563 exactly he missed my point
@@dloftan5539 To me you was saying if they didn’t make a hit record that it didn’t matter if they wrote it
J is talking about Pop and etc... Once your pen is fire, you can dumb it down, and are connected you get those opportunities.
I love this show.
I wonder if they written for my top 5
1. Jada
2. Busta
3. Dmx
4. 2pac
5. I can never settle.... so I leave open (biggie, styles p, sheek, method man, redman, mase, ll cool j, first album Camron, and such)
I think my picks are all writing their own and others
Stop
Ya top 5 super rappers
Nah, they mean Drake. Both have ghostwritten for him
Not MY top 5! But I bet that list looks similar to 1. Drake
2. Lil Weasel
3. Meek
4. The Fat Ricky Ross
5. 50 (yep, Fif stopped writing after that second album.)
He went from top 5 to top 12
Math "tank" Hoffa singing 😂😂😂😂
2 of the best. And Crook is a goat
Fans dont understand that the best lyricists in the world cant write a hit for shit
True
they can write hits....for other ppl
@@anatorres-ym8ke no.. they cant. You know how hard it is to write hooks? All the top rappers get hooks from other rappers. Why you think that doesn't count as ghostwriting? Lol because they all get that for hooks
@@DesignzRUs you're correct, even jay z got a hook from jarule
@Blackst4lin im speaking facts
My top 5 is Nas, Method Man, Tech N9ne, Ras Kass & MF Doom.. I know damn well they didn't write for those guys lol, but hey maybe they're correct when it comes to other people's top 5's..
Jay electronica wrote for nas
@@Mikejones-zg6xg Prove it
@@heelspawn8023 look up ( dream Hampton ) they said they saw it with their own eyes.. it's not on RUclips you have to Google it
@@heelspawn8023 he wrote queens get the money ' dats just one song he wrote for nas
@@Mikejones-zg6xg I wanna hear either Jay Electronica or Nas on video admitting this, otherwise it didn't happen.. Maybe she meant Lil Nas X, cause Nasty Nas is already a talented writer/poet.. He don't need someone else to write for him.. Don't believe everything these journalists say..
Respect to the TANK reference! Milwaukee stand up!
Yeah when I really started writing about life and was going through more stuff I was like 18, 19
At this point I’m getting tired of rappers saying they ghost written for top rappers when they don’t say any names.
NDA
Crook no you havent wrote for no top 5 and if you did you wrote the chorus, Chill!!!
I'm that type of writer Mecca spoked about. Been writing poetry since the 10th grade
MC Abdul better love that free promo
This talk needed E$SO great interview still
Esso duckin
Yo Math what is that you're mixing with the Simply Lemonade?
Ortiz brought up Al Green and his singing experiences. Al Green remade and sung Old Tunes that was already out already in the in the 50s and the 60s. I don't think he went through nothing personally (love life) for him to sing those love songs like that. 85% of his catalog is old classic songs that somebody else sung before him. He just added his own spice to it. And then he did church songs that people did already. If anything he should have made a song about that woman pouring hot grits on him. That song would have probably been a super classic.