But I tell ya they're the most reliable cars on the road today. Ford accidentally made a beast. I love mine but am selling cuz I have a truck now and the car needs to be in the hands of a mechanic who can keep it on the road for years to come 😃
I love your detailed informative videos. Never knew the trick with the A/C to make the fan kick on .. Although I'm positive that's' what my issue is.. If I idle too long more than even a couple minutes and I start overheating but if I'm driving the temperature will stay good. Thanks for the trouble shooting tips !
@@PNW_Car_Mods Your video was the first to come up when I searched for it, and I'm like I'd love to watch one of Mr Black's videos on this , watched the whole thing 👍👍
Same here I have a 2011 marquis and I had my ac on its started blowing warm air then I noticed my temperature was rising ..glad I did research because I was thinking it was my compressor.
Thanks for sharing, the only thing I did different was pump out the coolant and remove the reservoir. That’s made it a lot easier getting the fan out and back in .
Man U ain’t alone..I put a fan in about 3 months ago but it’s like as soon as u fix something..something else breaks 🤦🏾♂️..still all in all I love my Vic but she a pain in the ass..2011 cvpi
I hear ya kicks. This thing was pretty much trouble free the last two or three years but this year we've had to fix a number of things. Hopefully this is it for a while. Knocks on wood.
In general I like working on Fords the most. Just depends on what it is of course. I've heard a bunch of the newer AWD stuff can suck to work on but I don't have any of those and likely never will.
Thanks for the video. This is very helpful. I am on my 3rd failed control module in just over a year so replacing the the module and fan together is my next venture. NICE CAR & SPEC. I miss my green machine in my bio pic. I have a P70 base model but these cars are mostly the same bearing minor differences.
PNW Car Mods & Maintenance : I have a 2011 Crown Victoria LX. . It's got a little over 140,000 miles. I'm having an over heating problem. It doesn't happen all the time, though. But it does seem to happen with the A/C on. The fan doesn't seem to work all the time. If the engine cools off, and I turn off the A/C, I can drive home OK. I may have thirty miles to go, or more, and the needle on the temp. gauge won't climb above the halfway mark. Should I get a new fan, or is the fan the problem? Sometimes the fan works. Sometimes it don't. Anyway, the car has over heated three times in the past five months.
Unplug the cylinder head temp sensor by the thermostat housing. IIRC this will force the fan to run on high full time all the time the engine is running. If your fan doesn't run then it is definitely bad. If it does run on high full time and you still have overheating problems then you have an mechanical issue with the engine. These kinds of issues can take some time to diagnose for sure.
You guys need to get under and remove AT cooling lines. On Fords they are connected to the fan shroud with clips. I learned the hard way. I broke the top of the fan shroud and still couldn't take the fan out.
Yup you are right. It's a toss up whether you want to pop them out from down below or from the top. I thought from the top was fine. It comes up at the 7:00 mark. and on reassembly at the 13:00 mark. Reassembly I was brain farting and said AC lines when I meant transmission cooler lines. We thankfully didn't break a single thing on this job. Also are transmission cooler is not in use on this car so those lines aren't doing anything. (manual 5spd installed).
I got a 2006 grand marquis.... needing to do the same... I was leaving the car idling while doing deliveries with no fan running... can't wait to get it fixed
I did the 5 speed swap and now the fan stays on high. I think its because the ECM doesn’t see trans temp anymore, so it defaults to hot and trys to cool the trans. I put a trans temp resistor in line on the trans wiring harness on the passenger side. But it still runs on high. Even with a tune that took out the trans inputs.
Do they not sell a fan controller module by itself if the cooling fan and seems to be spinning freely? I’m looking for anyway out of this w/out replacing the whole fan assembly? Anything I could do that u learned from this one would be greatly appreciated PS. Thanks for the video 🙏 once upon a time my 08 interceptor was bulletproof, now the walls are crumbling, it’s something $200 or more every month now, I thought I paid it off 7 years ago 🤦♂️🤷♂️😡
If you can't get the fan run on max by either turning on the AC after the car is warmed up or by unplugging the cylinder head overtemp sensor then you have to suspect the fan. I have seen replacement off shore fan controllers on places like ebay for like 20 bucks. I wouldn't trust them to save my life though. There has to be a reason that Ford and other autoparts stores don't sell just a controller and I don't think it's to rip you off. Also make sure the connector that feeds the fan motor isn't melted inside.
@@PNW_Car_Mods thanks for the advice, ima gonna give all that a try tomorrow after work. I do know I’ve turned the ac on at temp and fans is not working. Actually talked to someone at O’reillys today And said they CAN get the module by it’s self, but it’s pricey, i will do all of the above u said first tho, My gut is telling me the over temp sensor or fan control module “bc of the ohms readings being so off” ANYWAY Thanks again for the good videos and for responding. Have a good one
@@jeremiahcollier3077 There are replacement fan connectors that can be spliced on either at your local auto parts store or even Amazon. Google to find the part number.
Was that like an after market fan for the engine and also do you know if they have a bigger after market fan for the crown vics and grand marquis....those cars overheat kind of easily.....I'm willing to pay extra if I can find one for mines
KC this is a stock replacement. Definitely not an upgrade. That being said, if your fan speed controller is working properly there really is no excuse for one of these cars to be overheating. Even in 100* weather. There could be some other underlying issues.
I’m having the exact same problem! I was told to check the sensor “ohms” should be 2.39 or 2.49 mine was reading 3.94 ohms, can the eng temp sensor be replaced?
Negative. We used them right out of the package. The reason I actually bought these was 4 out of the 8 originals got damaged by no choice when we changed the plugs. It is fairly normal for them to seem long when they are new. With these I probably had to force them down about maybe a 1/4" with the bolts if that makes sense. Not super forceful but just enough to compress the boots and springs onto the plug. Basically I would push the coil down all the way with one hand then then run the bolt all the way in with my other hand. I'm fairly certain that even if you have brand new factory ford boots and springs they will act the same way. Not positive but I believe so.
2005 police crown vic ---- BRO I NEED HELP! been having overheating issues & replaced everything in the system. NOT overheating anymore but the radiator fan goes to high after only 5 mins of running. stays on high fan until shut off. replaced the radiator, water pump, CT sensor, HT sensor, thermostat (160), fresh coolant after 3 flushes. used a laser temp tool & highest reading on cyl or anywhere, is only 160 degrees. fan will be on HIGH with that LOW temp. CANT FIGURE IT OUT & NEED TO SELL!.
I can't say this with absolute certainty but it sounds like the fan controller itself is bad. It's the black box that is attached to the fan shroud. You can buy them separately on ebay and amazon but I have no idea of the quality.
We did a couple different tests that 100% should have had the fan on and it wasn't coming on. So that's when we very carefully started hitting the fan motor with a hammer under the same conditions and it came roaring to life. So in our case it was absolutely the fan motor itself that had gone bad.
If it works with the AC on the fan motor is working. These things take a long time to warm up but if the fan is not working it will go straight to running hot after the long warm up. Our problem was it didn't work at all. Dead motor. I don't know for certain but I suppose there could be a problem with the speed controller unit keeping it from working at lower fan speeds. To check the lower fans speeds drive the car around for around 20 minutes and then come back and park. Then hold the rpms at like 1500 for a couple minutes with the hood closed then go carefully check it for operation. At lower fan speeds it will be on but you can't hear it.
First & watching. I'm not complaining, but whatever happened to the VW New Bettle diagnosis series? And the "free" car trailer rebuild? Were those videos just Mr. Random satire? Ohhhh, shots fired. LMAO -Chuck
The volkswagen is sitting at work rotting away. It needs the engine ripped out of it and then the rest is getting chopped up and thrown in the dumpster. Yes, I will likely put the whole car in a dumpster in pieces. The only way this won't happen is if a place like pick n pull will take an engineless car. The car trailer will be back sooner than later. I don't have a place to work on it inside so it's hard to do rust removal priming and painting in the rain and snow. Also have a handful of welding projects that need to be done on it.
I don't think so in our case. In our case we could put the car in a situation where the fan would have been on but it wasn't coming on. Hit the fan motor with a hammer and it would come to life. This is a dangerous troubleshooting technique but it works.
1:30 It looks like you may need to flush the power steering fluid. I need to flush mine again. Would you be interested in doing a collab with me on that? 1:31 It looks like you need a new rubber boot on the hot wire coming off the top of the alternator. The only reason I noticed is because I just replaced mine. The part number is; 8G1Z-14277-B 8:08 You’re hurting my back! When I used to work on cars I would still put them on the rack and lift them a few inches into the air to keep me from bending over so much. Nowadays, in my garage I put in on jack stands to do simple stuff like this. lol 10:58 “Blind Man’s Reach Around” Isaac: Whatever pops. lol 15:35 I want to speak to your manager, I want a refund. I watched the whole dang video hoping to see you unplug the CHT Sensor to see if it would trigger the fan to come on. Booooooooo! -Chuck
It's funny how the crown vics look EXACTLY the same for like 10 years. Ford was just like- yep that it's, that's the car.
Good point Noah. I never really thought about that much.
But I tell ya they're the most reliable cars on the road today. Ford accidentally made a beast. I love mine but am selling cuz I have a truck now and the car needs to be in the hands of a mechanic who can keep it on the road for years to come 😃
I love your detailed informative videos. Never knew the trick with the A/C to make the fan kick on .. Although I'm positive that's' what my issue is.. If I idle too long more than even a couple minutes and I start overheating but if I'm driving the temperature will stay good. Thanks for the trouble shooting tips !
Thank you very much mayo. I have to say these how to fix a crown vic videos seem to do pretty well for us lol.
@@PNW_Car_Mods Your video was the first to come up when I searched for it, and I'm like I'd love to watch one of Mr Black's videos on this , watched the whole thing 👍👍
Same here I have a 2011 marquis and I had my ac on its started blowing warm air then I noticed my temperature was rising ..glad I did research because I was thinking it was my compressor.
Thanks for sharing, the only thing I did different was pump out the coolant and remove the reservoir. That’s made it a lot easier getting the fan out and back in .
Nice work! Definitely not a bad plan if you coolant is really old.
I did the same… while I was replacing this I decided to do a flush while I had the reservoir off and replace the thermostat.
Man U ain’t alone..I put a fan in about 3 months ago but it’s like as soon as u fix something..something else breaks 🤦🏾♂️..still all in all I love my Vic but she a pain in the ass..2011 cvpi
I hear ya kicks. This thing was pretty much trouble free the last two or three years but this year we've had to fix a number of things. Hopefully this is it for a while. Knocks on wood.
Something breaks on them every other month I swear! I've had mine since 2018 constant problem's 🙄
It’s good how Ford marks the fuses. Makes it easy to troubleshoot lol
In general I like working on Fords the most. Just depends on what it is of course. I've heard a bunch of the newer AWD stuff can suck to work on but I don't have any of those and likely never will.
Thanks for the video. This is very helpful. I am on my 3rd failed control module in just over a year so replacing the the module and fan together is my next venture. NICE CAR & SPEC. I miss my green machine in my bio pic. I have a P70 base model but these cars are mostly the same bearing minor differences.
So far this fan is still working great. Just had the AC on the other day no problems
DORMAN MAKES A GREAT A.C. FAN ASSEMBLE! WITH THEIR OWN MODULE ON IT! WE NEVER HAD A HICCUP
I’ll be doing this Tmro wen the new fan gets here for my sons car.
Good luck!
PNW Car Mods & Maintenance : I have a 2011 Crown Victoria LX. . It's got a little over 140,000 miles. I'm having an over heating problem. It doesn't happen all the time, though. But it does seem to happen with the A/C on. The fan doesn't seem to work all the time. If the engine cools off, and I turn off the A/C, I can drive home OK. I may have thirty miles to go, or more, and the needle on the temp. gauge won't climb above the halfway mark. Should I get a new fan, or is the fan the problem? Sometimes the fan works. Sometimes it don't. Anyway, the car has over heated three times in the past five months.
Unplug the cylinder head temp sensor by the thermostat housing. IIRC this will force the fan to run on high full time all the time the engine is running. If your fan doesn't run then it is definitely bad. If it does run on high full time and you still have overheating problems then you have an mechanical issue with the engine. These kinds of issues can take some time to diagnose for sure.
Thank you so much. I'll try it this afternoon.@@PNW_Car_Mods
You guys need to get under and remove AT cooling lines.
On Fords they are connected to the fan shroud with clips.
I learned the hard way. I broke the top of the fan shroud and still couldn't take the fan out.
Yup you are right. It's a toss up whether you want to pop them out from down below or from the top. I thought from the top was fine. It comes up at the 7:00 mark. and on reassembly at the 13:00 mark. Reassembly I was brain farting and said AC lines when I meant transmission cooler lines. We thankfully didn't break a single thing on this job. Also are transmission cooler is not in use on this car so those lines aren't doing anything. (manual 5spd installed).
I got a 2006 grand marquis.... needing to do the same... I was leaving the car idling while doing deliveries with no fan running... can't wait to get it fixed
Definitely get that fixed as soon as you can. Hard as hell on the head gaskets on mod motors running them hot.
I did the 5 speed swap and now the fan stays on high. I think its because the ECM doesn’t see trans temp anymore, so it defaults to hot and trys to cool the trans. I put a trans temp resistor in line on the trans wiring harness on the passenger side. But it still runs on high. Even with a tune that took out the trans inputs.
is that with a Mo's tune? That dude knows his stuff when it comes to troubleshooting these swaps in panthers.
@@PNW_Car_Mods yes one of his tunes. I will try the resistor this weekend. If that doesn't fix it I will reach out to Marty.
Good stuff, Perfect.
Thanks for checking it out!
THEY WERE TAXIS TOO. SO IT WAS EASY TO REPLACE PARTS. ALL THE SAME
Around here no Taxi crown vics started there life as a new taxi. They are ALL retired beat to shit Police Interceptors lol.
and at that I can't tell you the last time I saw a crown vic taxi on the road here. The taxi system is all be dead here.
Is that Doorman fan still working? I notice that the video is about two years old, so just wondering how the after market fan has held up.
Yup. Still gets driven almost daily and gets hammered on in the summer with the AC on all the time. Knocks on wood so far we're good!
@@PNW_Car_Mods Thanks for the update.
@@gustavbabic5004 My pleasure thanks for checking us out.
Same for Ford Lincoln Town cars Limos.
Yes and Mercury
So what your saying is the fan will run constantly if the sensor is unplugged (given the fan is good)
Co wrect.
Do they not sell a fan controller module by itself if the cooling fan and seems to be spinning freely? I’m looking for anyway out of this w/out replacing the whole fan assembly? Anything I could do that u learned from this one would be greatly appreciated
PS. Thanks for the video 🙏 once upon a time my 08 interceptor was bulletproof, now the walls are crumbling, it’s something $200 or more every month now, I thought I paid it off 7 years ago 🤦♂️🤷♂️😡
If you can't get the fan run on max by either turning on the AC after the car is warmed up or by unplugging the cylinder head overtemp sensor then you have to suspect the fan. I have seen replacement off shore fan controllers on places like ebay for like 20 bucks. I wouldn't trust them to save my life though. There has to be a reason that Ford and other autoparts stores don't sell just a controller and I don't think it's to rip you off. Also make sure the connector that feeds the fan motor isn't melted inside.
@@PNW_Car_Mods thanks for the advice, ima gonna give all that a try tomorrow after work. I do know I’ve turned the ac on at temp and fans is not working. Actually talked to someone at O’reillys today And said they CAN get the module by it’s self, but it’s pricey, i will do all of the above u said first tho, My gut is telling me the over temp sensor or fan control module “bc of the ohms readings being so off” ANYWAY Thanks again for the good videos and for responding. Have a good one
@@PNW_Car_Mods Hey, my connector that feeds the fan inside is melted, should I replace the whole fan, or can I find a connector?
@@jeremiahcollier3077 There are replacement fan connectors that can be spliced on either at your local auto parts store or even Amazon. Google to find the part number.
When the fans kick on to cool radiator, are they loud?
It depends on what the computer thinks the fan needs to be run at. ON a 90 degree day with the AC on yeah it can be pretty loud.
Was that like an after market fan for the engine and also do you know if they have a bigger after market fan for the crown vics and grand marquis....those cars overheat kind of easily.....I'm willing to pay extra if I can find one for mines
KC this is a stock replacement. Definitely not an upgrade. That being said, if your fan speed controller is working properly there really is no excuse for one of these cars to be overheating. Even in 100* weather. There could be some other underlying issues.
@@PNW_Car_Mods wow smh.....well thank you that is helpful to know
DORMAN IS THE BEST REPLACE ON THESE. MEETS OEM! AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN A.C. MODULE ON
I’m having the exact same problem! I was told to check the sensor “ohms” should be 2.39 or 2.49 mine was reading 3.94 ohms, can the eng temp sensor be replaced?
Yes, but you will probably have to remove the alternator to get to it.
Did you try the fan with the sensor unplugged
Yes. Wouldn't run. That's when we hit the fan motor with a hammer and it spooled up.
Hey I have the same coil packs..I had to reuse the boots on the old packs because the new ones seemed a bit too long..did u have to do the same ?
Negative. We used them right out of the package. The reason I actually bought these was 4 out of the 8 originals got damaged by no choice when we changed the plugs. It is fairly normal for them to seem long when they are new. With these I probably had to force them down about maybe a 1/4" with the bolts if that makes sense. Not super forceful but just enough to compress the boots and springs onto the plug. Basically I would push the coil down all the way with one hand then then run the bolt all the way in with my other hand. I'm fairly certain that even if you have brand new factory ford boots and springs they will act the same way. Not positive but I believe so.
2005 police crown vic ---- BRO I NEED HELP! been having overheating issues & replaced everything in the system. NOT overheating anymore but the radiator fan goes to high after only 5 mins of running. stays on high fan until shut off. replaced the radiator, water pump, CT sensor, HT sensor, thermostat (160), fresh coolant after 3 flushes. used a laser temp tool & highest reading on cyl or anywhere, is only 160 degrees. fan will be on HIGH with that LOW temp. CANT FIGURE IT OUT & NEED TO SELL!.
I can't say this with absolute certainty but it sounds like the fan controller itself is bad. It's the black box that is attached to the fan shroud. You can buy them separately on ebay and amazon but I have no idea of the quality.
My 07p71 fan will come on but it won't stay on. Especially on hot days
Try the trick of unplugging the cylinder head temps sensor and see if it goes on full blast and stays on anytime the car is running.
How did you know it was the fan and not the coolant sensor?
We did a couple different tests that 100% should have had the fan on and it wasn't coming on. So that's when we very carefully started hitting the fan motor with a hammer under the same conditions and it came roaring to life. So in our case it was absolutely the fan motor itself that had gone bad.
Can it work with ac on but not work with it off maybe I didn't let it idle long enough to see if it kicks on
If it works with the AC on the fan motor is working. These things take a long time to warm up but if the fan is not working it will go straight to running hot after the long warm up. Our problem was it didn't work at all. Dead motor. I don't know for certain but I suppose there could be a problem with the speed controller unit keeping it from working at lower fan speeds. To check the lower fans speeds drive the car around for around 20 minutes and then come back and park. Then hold the rpms at like 1500 for a couple minutes with the hood closed then go carefully check it for operation. At lower fan speeds it will be on but you can't hear it.
First & watching.
I'm not complaining, but whatever happened to the VW New Bettle diagnosis series?
And the "free" car trailer rebuild?
Were those videos just Mr. Random satire?
Ohhhh, shots fired. LMAO
-Chuck
The volkswagen is sitting at work rotting away. It needs the engine ripped out of it and then the rest is getting chopped up and thrown in the dumpster. Yes, I will likely put the whole car in a dumpster in pieces. The only way this won't happen is if a place like pick n pull will take an engineless car. The car trailer will be back sooner than later. I don't have a place to work on it inside so it's hard to do rust removal priming and painting in the rain and snow. Also have a handful of welding projects that need to be done on it.
"Spared you from the swearing episode..." LMBO yup...I've had many of those!
lol when we do a task that doesn't involve swearing I worry we may have missed something!
@@PNW_Car_Mods 😂
It could have been just the fan regulator. I had the same over heating problem and that was the culprit.
I don't think so in our case. In our case we could put the car in a situation where the fan would have been on but it wasn't coming on. Hit the fan motor with a hammer and it would come to life. This is a dangerous troubleshooting technique but it works.
Is there a hipo fan thats recommended?
I can't say that I've seen anything like that in a CV. Most late model fans are pretty impressive these days.
@@PNW_Car_Mods happen to know the size of the fan? Perhaps i can adapt a high cfm fan into the shroud.
@@absolute357 OEM fan shroud is approx 18 inches diameter.
Mine Bogs out when I turn the ac on . What does that mean ?
Clean your throttle body, and while your at it clean the MAF..... you're welcome
What exactly bogs? The fan or the engine?
@@PNW_Car_Mods the engine
@@GULLAHTV33 did you ever figure out what it was? My car is doing the same thing
@@joeyrios6828 yup it was the fan . I just replaced it and now everything is back to normal
1:30 It looks like you may need to flush the power steering fluid.
I need to flush mine again. Would you be interested in doing a collab with me on that?
1:31 It looks like you need a new rubber boot on the hot wire coming off the top of the alternator. The only reason I noticed is because I just replaced mine.
The part number is; 8G1Z-14277-B
8:08 You’re hurting my back!
When I used to work on cars I would still put them on the rack and lift them a few inches into the air to keep me from bending over so much. Nowadays, in my garage I put in on jack stands to do simple stuff like this. lol
10:58 “Blind Man’s Reach Around”
Isaac: Whatever pops. lol
15:35 I want to speak to your manager, I want a refund.
I watched the whole dang video hoping to see you unplug the CHT Sensor to see if it would trigger the fan to come on. Booooooooo!
-Chuck
Yes, yes and yes. God damn rats got in there during that last snow storm we had and gnawed right through that boot.
@@PNW_Car_Mods
What a coincidence, me too.
But it happened before I got the car when it was in Brookings, OR.
Double cowinkydink. lol