Rob Van Dam Explains His Rolling Thunder To Jim Cornette!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Back when RVD made his AEW in-ring debut against Jack Perry, Jim Cornette was curious regarding the logistics of RVD's signature move The Rolling Thunder. RVD touches upon that, but also goes into full detail about wrestling moves that aggravate him.
Petey Williams is the only one who should have done the Canadian Destroyer
AMEN! I feel so bad for him because he was the originator of the move (as far as I know), when he did it it was special, and he respected it because nobody kicked out of it. All the people he worked with were good enough to not tell everyone how it was done, but once word got out, now the glory days of Petey Williams' original finisher are gone. It still looked believable enough too because he not only worked on the move long enough before debuting it, but also because you only saw the one at the end of the match, and not 5 from every member of the match, taking turns running into an opponent, only for each of them to kick out at 2.
@@0newingedcrowThese days, a lot of the times, when a Canadian Destroyed is performed I don't even recognise it as one until it's called by one of the commentators.
That's how poorly executed it is (to those who actually saw Petey Williams perform it).
I mean maybe not the only one, but it should have been done by people who understand psychology
@@james2651 AMEN DUDE!
@@Varkhal218 I see where you're coming from, but that list could probably be counted on one hand... Plus, they rarely call it the Canadian Destroyer now, because it doesn't matter where you're from, everyone is doing it and now it's just the destroyer...
Rvd definitely one of the greatest ever
The CD makes more sense if you hit it like a sunset flip because that seems at least a bit more realistic , while jumping down from the second rope to deliver it makes it seem like the ring is a trampoline giving you the bounce to do it .
And I never saw anything wrong with the rolling thunder ! That seems like straight up the most ferocious building of momentum you can get into a flipping forward senton deal . I mean as wrestling fans we got o suspend our disbelief a little or the basic irish whip would seem unreal in a way .
There's so many times in modern wrestling where I'm watching and I think "Hang on, who was doing the move to who there? Which one of you was supposed to get hurt more by that?"
Can you give examples?
Rob hit the nail on the head here. I love cool highflying wrestlers like RVD, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, etc. But all those guys gave you the feeling that they were still FIGHTING to win the match.
A lot of today’s wrestling, you can clearly tell the guys are working together to try to put on the coolest spot. It’s like watching a dance routine, they’re cooperating with each other so much.
Exactly this is why Gunther is such a joy to watch. His matches look like a struggle and everything he does makes sense.
RVD and Jim Cornette two of the greats of the business
His roll was just something because of his character, RVD does stuff just because it looks cools not because it makes sense. Then he would go around and talk shit to the crowd and say "see what I did". Also the Canadian destroyer only makes sense if it's a counter to a counter.
Wrestling is just weird. 95% of the stuff they do is not used in real fighting but than they worry about the Rolling Thunder making sense. Same with catching the chair for the Van Daminator.
a lot fighting in movies is weird too, but you want it to make sense within the context of the world it's in.
I've always hated "you don't see that in real fights" as a knock against a move. I've never seen chops, suplexes or figure four leg locks in a fight either but nobody complains about any of those
@@takerdust fair enough, but every generation moves the bar on what’s real. The rolling thunder is low on the bar when it comes to looking fake. It more looks like a show off move more than anything else
@@noahfernandez8853I've seen many suplexes in street fights
I love using the Irish whip in a fight!
RVD is partially responsible for the current state of the business. But he would sell for an opponent longer than half a breath.
RVD speaks up. Old school mindset, i love it. That's my guy 👍
I feel the same way about the buckshot lariat, that flip over the top rope does nothing for the momentum of the move it just looks ridiculous to me
Yes, if it could be done like flip and lariat without landing the legs on the ground, like a normal springboard clothesline or aj styles does with his phenomenonal forearm where they hit before they land, then it would make sense as we could assume that the flip and the gravity gave the momentum. But when you stand on your legs after the flip, just before giving the lariat, the momentum is all gone so it would have as much impact as the nomral lariat.
@rjuniverse7289 Buckshot Lariat is such a lame finisher, dude should just put his own spin on the Clothesline from Hell
The only time I can see the Buckshot working is rarely and when its unexpected. Hangman gets killed ringside in some type of multiman match, the heel is brutalizing someone in the ring and is in the middle of celebrating before going for a Jericho troll type pin cause dude has been obliterated
Keep Hangman off camera and then all you see is a flash of motion, camera moves to see him mid flip in and then the Lariat to win the match
It should be an RKO/SCM Out of Nowhere type move where he does it from different scenarios but the move itself is just a Lariat..the Buckshot label is him hitting in unorthodox ways out of desperation, urgency, or Fighting Spirit and getting the win or causing an upset..the unconventional and unexpected position from where he hits it is what makes it a rare Super Finisher version of it
In regular matches hed just kick ass, maybe hit the ropes for momentum and theatrics, but end it with a typical brutal Lariat
It works conceptually if you imagine the sender planting their feet while maintaining their upper body momentum. The flip, then, is bringing the upper body up to a speed that wouldn't be achievable just from running.
Unfortunately, that just isn't how it works in practice, and the act of landing and planting brings the upper body to a near stand-still.
I love aew but I hate the constant Canadian destroyers all throughout every show.
I was able to avoid it for the most part but once AEW came along i got into the habit of just looking away when it comes up because i know it’s not going to finish the match. They do it in WWE sometimes so i really have no where to escape from it.
Don't like the Canadian Destroyer at all, but it looks better when it's done starting from the middle rope because the wrestler giving it is providing more of their momentum into the move, than doing it simply from a standing position, squat down, and flip over, which always looks silly.
The Spanish Fly however, is absolutely ridiculous, abhorrent and completely indefensible.
Spanishfly worked as a top rope move and as a finisher at that. But now its has become a regular thing and i don't like it.
If someone invented the Canadian Destroyer in ECW or some of these other moves, I guarantee they would've been doing it lol
Is that a jewish italian? 😅 cool i barely know geography and culture at all to me a Jewish Italian is like a Muslim Mexican...
It’s hard to do a Canadian destroyer from standing perfectly still. You can’t just bend your knees and jump, you have to do a mini-hop first to build up some momentum, a lot of the time. That’s the way Petey Williams usually did it. The ‘jumping from second rope’ thing is kinda stupid, but it’s supposed to be in that same vein, an initial jump to increase the bounce for the second one, the actual destroyer part, and I suppose jumping from the rope is meant to give you even more bounce, somehow 🤷♂️
Vintage Rob Van Dam. I love seeing that move!
Canadian destroyer one of the worst moves ever. Same with the spanish fly. Jerry lawyer piledriver more devestating and safer than most of this garbage
Corny has nothing but respect for RVD he has said in the past only RVD could do what RVD did. Anybody who tries to do Robs stuff just can’t pull it off like Rob. Jim respects Rob. However Jim critiques everyone even people he normally likes.
So the destroyer rob was talking about is the Panama sunrise version which yeah I hate. I am fine with the classic version Petey Williams did but if you are jumping ass first to the back of someone's neck they should drop to the floor rather than do a backflip. On the rolling thunder my three ideas was always 1 it is rvd, he wants to do cool looking things and just show off. 2 it is to assure you don't over shoot it. And 3 it was to hide how far he was. Because you may be able to judge by the steps but with a roll it is harder to judge. Personally the rolling thunder is a better live experience because seeing it live it looks great with the build up and how much moving parts is happening. I guess it is similar to the great muta's flashing elbow with it just looking more spectacular than just a normal elbow drop
The move I think is the fakest is whenever guys in WWE want you to take over,they just shoot you in and duck,Why would you throw the guy in the ropes,To hit a move,Then just duck
Today’s wrestling looks so choreographed and phony
Dumbest move in wrestling history. No space to do it. Doesn’t look painful. Not exciting. Lame
Love this guy, what a real dude
Adam cole does the Panama sunrise aka the jump of the rope Canadian destroy
I miss the lounge in South Lake Tahoe
Orange RVD Bad.
"it's Taz"
Weird to hear Rob kind of admit he 'ruined' wrestling (inadvertently). Not so much the cooperation needed to do complex moves but more just the idea of doing cool moves and getting all your shit in. Rob's run in ECW really inspired that mindset in many of today's indyrrific wrestlers who never learn to do anything else unless they end up in WWE and are forced to adapt.
Tbf petey Williams invented of the Canadian destroyer nevr did the 2nd rope thing at least I never recall seeing him do that I belive its an adam Cole thing
I always thought the Van Daminator was dumb.
It would just be a senton with out the roll
People can blame Dibiase Jr for the whole following-a-guy-into-the-same-ropes-to-then-go upside his head once the opponent realizes what’s happening and stops short.
Marufuji invented it.
Rob is confusing the PANAMA SUNRISE with the Canadian destroyer
Still both shitty finishers
Wrestling since the beginning has always had these weird little idosyncracies in how physics seems to work in a match vs real life such as the Irish Whip, and the Canadian Destroyer is nothing new. I agree that the middle rope bounce seems weird, but on a second look, I think that, much like how one wrestler pushes his opponent against the ropes before sending them running off with a whip, the jump off the second rope "Loads" the move.
It quickly compresess the opponent's spine down into a crouch so the opponent becomes like a coiled spring. When they spring back up, the attacker takes that energy and uses it to throw them into the destroyer.
Does that follow real world physics? No, but again, neither does the Irish whip and the two operate on similar principles.
I bet when Liv Morgan passes gas it smells like cotton candy and skittles..
Taste the Rainbow!
Bro u a weirdo
do you just post this comment all over the place hoping for a reaction?
@@micleedow2809 I've refined it.. I'm sry to bother you both so greatly
All the same theme worded slightly differently to see what works better for comedic purposes..
I assure u I am not ai....
Without trying to sound harsh on you, I think it's best to move on and try some new material mate, it's not a funny comment so much as a weird fantasy
Cornettr sucks so much
Talking about a Canadian destroyer, Dom over here looking like a mentally challenged Drake.
Rvd is a hypocrit
*hypocrite
Better check your spelling before talking shit 😂
@@user-pl3is3cj4r i dont have to because by purposely misspelling words i can trigger burner accounts like yours to be created and comment over me talking shit😂😂😂 nice try tho joe blow