Swords of the 80 years war, part: 1, 16th century
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- A short look at different types of swords from the Dutch 80 years war. Part 1 covers the period 1568 til 1599.
Chapters:
00:00 - intro
02:12 - time period
02:36 - Longsword
04:07 - Arming sword
05:11 - Katzbalger
06:51 - Messer
08:17 - Kriegsmesser
09:24 - Slagzwaard
12:35 - Rapier
14:14 - Germanic rapier
16:04 - Houdegen
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Sources:
Swordplay An anonymous illustrated Dutch treatise for fencing with rapier, sword and polearms from 1595, Ellis Amdur Reinier van Noort, ISBN 9781937439262
De tachtigjarige oorlog van opstand naar geregelde oorlog 1568-1648, Olaf van Nimwegen Ronald Prud'Homme van Reine Co-auteur: Louis Sicking Adri van Vliet, ISBN 9789461054753
European Weapons & ArmourFrom the Renaissance to the Industrial Revolution, Ewart Oakeshott, ISBN 9781843837206
Te wapen! Europa's vergeten krijgkunsten (14de tot 17de eeuw), Bert Gevaert, ISBN 9789059087231
The Art of Combat: A German Martial Arts Treatise of 1570, Joachim Meyer, translated by Jeffery L. Forgeng, ISBN 1848327781
Codex Amberger, by Dierk Hagedorn and Christophe Amburger, ISBN 978-3-932077-49-4
The Arsenal of the World: The Dutch Arms Tradein the Seventeenth Century, J.P. Puype, M. van der Hoeven, ISBN 9789067074131
Van Maurits naar Munster. Tactiek en triomf van het Staatse leger, A.A. Wiekart, J.P. Puype, ISBN 9789061160090
Militaire hervormingen in het Staatse leger en de opbouw van het wapenbedrijf, 1585-1621 M. A. G. DE JONG
De bewapening van het Staatse Leger 1590-1621 M.A.G. de Jong
Blanke wapens Nederlandse slag- en steekwapens sinds 1600, J.P. Puype, ISBN 9789060876626
Krijgsvolk : militaire professionalisering en het ontstaan van het Staatse Leger, 1568-1590 Author(s) E. Swart Faculty FGw: Instituut voor Cultuur en Geschiedenis (ICG, tot 2014) Year 2006 FULL BIBLIOGRAPHIC DETAILS: hdl.handle.net/11245/1.258137
Van zwaard tot wandelsabel, De ontwikkeling van het gevestwapen in Nederland, 1100-2016, Jeroen Punt.
SCHEEPSWAPENS UIT DE TIJD VAN MICHIEL DE RUYTER, Jan Pieter Puype
Een disciplineringsrevolutie in het Staatse leger Een historische en archeologische studie naar de herkenbaarheid van organisatorische hervormingen van Staatse belegeringskampen op de Steenakker in Breda (1637) en aan de Goorseweg in Ottersum (1641) L. Veenendaal, Versie Definitieve versie, juni 2021 Universiteit Leiden, Faculty of Archaeology Econsultancy Einsteinweg 2 Heinz Moormannstraat 1b 2333 CC Leiden 5831 AS Boxmeer. Rijksmuseum objectnummer: RP-P-OB-81.612. Rijksmuseum objectnummer: RP-P-OB-81.497.
The use of the German battle sword in the late 16th and early 17th century by Björn Rüther
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music:
Botho Lucas Chor - Wir Zogen In Das Feld
A very specific point of view on the period. Good.
This is why I try to avoid doing a full sword video. Houdegen includes swords in English we'd call Hangers. But some Hangers are what would be called Messers.....I just sigh and blame the Victorians.
True, and that is also why i noticed some of the common names on every swords title page.
But yeah it gets complicated really quickly.
The victorians mucked up a lot with imagined facts to suit a narrative. But some of the terms they came up with can be useful.
Another fascinating video, thanks for the education.
Thank you, amazing as always! The period German name for Slagzwaard is much closer: Schlachtschwert. The period English name comes from these: Slath sword, more rarely Slaugh Sword or Slaughter Sword (the 16th century English reading Schlachtschwert as slaughter sword, not battle sword). See for example Sir John Smyth: "Their milicia consisting of Harquebuziers, Piquers, and some Halbarders, with a few slath swords for the gard of their Ensignes". For a German usage "Trewer Rath und Bedencken eines Alten wol versuchten und Erfahrenen Kriegsmans" by Georg von Frundsberg: "... Führern, Furirern, Waybeln und Schlachtschwerter".
Thank you,.
I do have to mention that alot of my research is second hand (from books) since im verry rarely able to get my hands on first hand period accounts.
Or if i do, be able to read them effectively with my bad eyesight and dyslexia.
In German research the term slagswert is often used and i did find Dutch sources that also call it that and in Dutch it would translate to battle sword.
But as you mentioned adding a T is posible.
Slag(battle) slacht(slaughter).
I’m having a rapier hilt inspired by the one shown at 14:12 made soon. Can’t wait to fence with it.
In one word, nice.
Should there have been more on the list? Well there's a couple. But I suspect you'll cover one or two of those in the next video, since I suspect that'll concern swords in naval use.
You've also made a few destinctions that I think may not have been entirely necessary, but no matter- they're not mistakes.
We'll definitely get back to that in Stevensweert!
Deal ;p
Interesting side note, although considered a German type of sword, sit fransis drakes sword was a German style rapier made in torlado
and many typical Indian sword blades come from Germany
Great video!
Finally, a topic i've been wondering about for the longest time.
Is there any chance you're going to do a video similar to this, but about the armour and helmets used in the period? Or even if you have the expertise, weapons from before the 80 years war in the low countries? (middle ages and stuff)
I might in the future but same as this it will take a lot of research.
So it wont be for a long while.
As for early periods, i sadly have to disappoint you since my group and i mainly focus on the 80 years war period and a bit later.
You might want to have a look at Oscar from the Virtual fechtschule channel, his focus lies more on the late middle ages and he has an early landsknecht reenactment impression.
@@AllemansendRe-enactment I already expected that answer, no matter. Looking forward to the next video!
Interessant video,tje! mannen. Jij/jullie weten waar je over praat. Daar hou ik wel van. Bedankt!
Question: You say Montante are used in a different context as zweihänder. After that, you say, the zweihänder was used by bodyguards. But isn't that pretty similar to the use of the Montante? (I know, I am ignoring the fact that the Montante comes from another parts of europe and that the dimensions are a bit different.)
True they do overlap in that regard, though montantes and spadones do tend to be a bit lighter then the german swords.
which makes them more useful as a bodyguards weapon apart from looking intimidating.
Halberds were also used for the same purpose and seem to have been favoured.
The german greatswords tend to be best used in a tight formation with small movements instead of the larger movements typical for montante and spadone.
Björn Rüther, has done a study on the use of the zweihander it in my sources and otherwise you can also find it via his youtube channel.
How do you know that a nagelmes was really a bauernwehr and not a dagger with a nail-like blade. I ask because im looking for some information for a while.
good question,
I have never heard of a dagger being referred to as nagelmes because of a square or triangular blade. The term mes almost always refers to a single edged blade, sometimes with a short back edge.
Without the nagel the bauernwehr would in most cases just be referred to as a knife.
Daggers seem to have been categorized more often by there hilt shape then there blade shape.
(just for sumantics, a dagger can be single edged, double edged or have no edge at all)
forinstance the bollock dagger(klotendolk) or rondel dagger(rondeldolk) refering to there characteristic hilt shape, instead of there blade shape and not there bladeshape.
If you find something in your research that says something different pleas let us know.
I found an publication from the feud of soest, where the author refers the nagelmes as an short nail-like bladed dagger, but he doesnt give a source reference.
In personally think the nagelmes was a bauernwehr, but i don't have any source reference, too.
So since months i try to find one.
The reasons you named sounds really plausibel
don't turn on subtitles, it doesn't help the audio as its not sure of anything he's sayin
If i ever have the time i might try to make correct subtitles available for this video, sadly it too much work to do it for all videos.
Since i would have to do it manually, with a visual impairment and dyslexia.
But i am very sorry if some parts are unclear due to my accent/broken English and the audio quality.
I hope i will be able to do better in the future.
@@AllemansendRe-enactment Well I found your channel and have been watching your content on the 16th centry and enjoying it. I'm playing a Pike & Shot version of a table top game called "One Page Rules" and learning as much as I can on the warfare of the era. Would be great to have some subtitles even if its just on the items your naming and not the whole thing. I had fun trying to pronounce all the various names of each sword. 😋
Also I love the music thanks for throwing that in the details!
Tom from Spiesdreagers 1625, who is featured in some of the videos, has been working on a 17th century pike and shot set up with siege battery and a trench, we'l might make a video about it some day.
Demon Eyes
Contacts, i have acromatopsia and dayblindnes the tinted contact lenzes help a little.
My actual eyes are lighter
I like the information you give but I would like it more if you stopped smacking your lips.
Noted, cant make any real promises but i have since updated my audio setup so that might help.
@@AllemansendRe-enactment Can't hate on a guy trying to improve.
The effort and the information are all appreciated.