*Superman and the Justice League turn evil:* Batman: I have plans and backup plans for my backup plans. *Joker breaks out of Arkham for the 40th time and attacks Gotham:* Batman: I never expected this.
Something neat about the Joker-suit. That was the same suit Bruce and Alfred designed for Bruce to use when they finally made Gotham safe, so now the Joker has twisted that dream into a nightmare as well
I really think it would have been cool if Joker kept the suit for a while, and made it legitimately a Joker corrupted Batsuit, then it would give Batman a real challenge from him, hes missing. not in just combat but tools and gadgets Joker should be able to use to pull off more.
Man the struggle is real with this one. I've always been back and forth on the whole "Batman needs to put his villains down" thing. Here's the thing for me, I guess. Superheroes are guardians, not executoners. They protect by capturing the bad guys and giving them over to the authorities. From there, it's the responsibility of the civilians to ensure that justice is meted out. So if the supervillain escapes again and kills again, that's on the authorities, not on the superheroes. If the superhero steps into the role of executoners, Then they are choosing to become the authority, declaring that they are above the rest of us. That's how you get things like Injustice Superman.
@@willchalloner6643 Right, but if Arkham is the place Batman is being told to send these criminals, then again it falls to the civilian authorities to ensure that they are put there. That's what makes someone like Jim Gordon so important as an incorrptable cop- he's the example by which the other Gotham authorities need to be judged.
@@ambervalkerie9134 lol oh myyy well...if the war ends & we get a well you're fixed old boy, we know Bats can now cure death, oh this is excluding Lazarus pits
That is a problem. Even Red Hood (of all people) seemed surprised that Harley was marching off to murder the Joker. ...that, or he was surprised she called dibs before him. (I'll go with that head canon... makes more sense)
I don't get why anyone would risk being a joker henchmen, the mortality rates are probably the highest of any Gotham villain. I'd rather work for penguin, two face or riddler. The Joker henchmen are probably the kind of idiots the other villains don't want.
I would imagine when it comes to Joker he goes for the bottom of the barrel. Like with Penguin and Two-Face, they surely have some standards for their goons. Joker, he goes for the ones who are literally a means to an end, like when you see a real criminal who is utterly stupid at their crime, that’s what Joker goes for so long as they can drive a car and shoot a gun. Here anyway, in Injustice they seem to have some capabilities.
That's another thing I really liked about the Nolan Joker; He either hired people too stupid/greedy/ignorant to know his deal, or went for people that were as crazy as him but less functional about it.
An actual conversation between the Joker and one of his henchmen in the Injustice origin comics Joker: Ned you’re in charge of the rug Ned: Do you want the rug on fire? Joker: Why would I want the rug on fire? Ned: Everything’s better on fire!
I look at it this way: with the penguin, all of his minions are expected to be formal, but at the end of the day, they are nothing more than a mob family and thus difficult to get into. The riddler always loses, so minions can't expect any payout with him. Two-face has no job security since there can be a job one day and none the next on a coin flip. Now, joker? Joker wins. He might be crazy, but his plans always work. If you survive a joker heist, you're definitely getting paid. No extensive background like penguin, no failure like riddler, no waiting periods like two-face. Just a high-risk, high reward payout.
This idea? I do not like. I’m not even cool with Huntress in the Bat Family the way some writers write her in my honest opinion, given kindly, as just my thoughts in my mind when I read the comment 🤷🏾♂️
Glazed_Waffle dude. I put that there so you would kno I’m not being pretentious or rude. I’m trying to join in conversation with the rest of the Rob Corps. If you feel offended by my comment, that was never my intention. I already felt weary of my wording. But please chill please? 🙏🏾
Because, legally speaking, Joker isn't a criminal. He is never found guilty. He is not guilty by reason of insanity. Which begs the question of what is wrong with the jurors they pick? ...or is it the judge who decides that one? Either way, no lawyer, no matter how high priced is going to be able to convince people to find him not guilty by reason of insanity that many times over. At some point, they would ignore that concept and just decide if Joker is guilty or not. No loopholes. Even if it would be breaking some law or another to do so if they really did think he was crazy.
@@Bluesit32 lol... funny how police are more likely to gun down poor people by "accident" but will safely deliver Joker to an asylum a 100 times. Kinda makes you wonder about why the system seems so lenient on him. He'd been executed if he were in any other country.
@@Bluesit32 Except everyone that knows the Joker knows for a fact he isn't insane. He knows exactly what he's doing. Harley Quinn called him out on it. Jason Todd called him out on it. Commissioner Gordan called him out on it. Batman himself called him out on it. The incompetence of the judge and jury is to blame here. Joker should have been executed a LONG time ago.
There's a pretty cool line in the Dark Knight Returns, where Joker has killed a lot of people, and Batman says to himself "How many people have I killed by letting you live"
And the answer is always “nobody”. The joker killed them. He could have turned over a new leaf. He could have changed at any point but he chose to kill them. The courts of Gotham could have had him executed. This mindset that Batman is responsible for ending the joker is how we get cops killing people on the street in real life
@@tanuki01 But if batman knows the system is corrupt then that also makes him responsible. like if he knows joker is gonna be released and murder again knowing full well the government of Gotham is literally against the people and the people have no way out. then he is responsible
9:45 "why doesn't Spider-Man kill his villains" His villains don't even want to be villains. They can and have redeemed themselves. "Why doesn't Thor?" He does...He's a war God... His villains just don't stay dead because they are also gods. "The Incredible Hulk" He does, too. But his villains, like Thor's, don't stay dead.
The argument coming from Jarley Quinn provides it's own answer. She changed. If Batman killed his villains she wouldn't be where she is now. This is especially important as she was with the joker for many of his crimes.
They should've just made Joker someone who Batman couldn't seem to catch. Joker being a sadistic, somewhat genius, who can match wits with Batman & always be a few steps ahead. HIS ultimate nemesis. Then you can have some real tension, like damn Batman just can't seem to keep up with this guy. Because since we ALL KNOW it's not really difficult on any level for Bats to just off Joker, it's really just annoying at this point because Batman keeps catching him & pretty much waiting for his escape. He's really not proving anything. At this point Bruce is just being stubborn about always doing this HIS way. He's just butt hurt because Joker is forcing his hand & Batman just CAN'T BE CONTROLLED. He ALWAYS does things HIS way. Essentially Joker is just that person who proves you wrong & you just have to suck it up & realize, you got bested. But Batman can't accept that. He won't kill Joker because of PRIDE. It's okay to say that your code isn't flawless.
@@Moshuun Batnan, the best detective on earth can't deduce that his code has flaws? I dont think so. He knows. And maybe that belief is faulted, but he has accepted that he is just a protector, not an executioner.
At first glance, .. Batman: Sherlock Holmes Joker: Professor James Moriarty Now for a retake look on Keith Ledger Joker from Nolan's " Dark Knight " movie. They say the Joker from the comics is they type of guy that any given time will walk up to someone at a bus stop right before the bus comes to a stop. a.) He just gives the person a $50 bill and tells them to have a nice day. b.) He/ the Joker shoves the person right in front of the bus as it comes to a stop just to watch the body gets bounce instead of being ran over. c.) The Joker gives someone a $100 bill & then he pushes them under the bus when they though their day was brightening up. Ironic poetic justice, or gritty revenge of a derange serial killer. The Joker plays with a poker chip, one side red as blood, the other side white as snow. And he flips to see if he murders redrum them or gives them an innocent gift of cash. Here is the catch, ... a.) The random office work he thrown under the bus is how the person got ahead at work, by screwing over their co workers and pushing blame onto others. b.) The cop he shoot dead and then place 30 silver dollars in his mouth. c.) The Joker didn't just murder someone, then " frame " them for a crime they didn't committed. He just finds the evidence that showed his victim was guilty of. d.) The Joker drives a small group of people into suicide depression with ceaseless stalking and taunts. Why, what did these people do to someone else in high school or college ? Every " random " person the Joker kills has a pass history of being a bully or pass betrayal with a skeleton or two or more in their closet. Bullies laugh at people weaker then they are, now the Joker gets the joke. It is not so much that life is a joke and death is the punch line. The joke is that people believe or like to think they are so innocent and free of sin in the eyes of god. But in truth will all deserve death. Look up YT phase : Batman/ Joker : god is santa clause. It is a fun comic. Since Batman deals with the likes of Zantanna and Jason Blood, so the Joker wakes up each day and plays Russian roulette with himself, and some days he gets the bullet into his ear. On those days the Joker just laughs it off and finds someone that is worth his time to kill.
I'm always wondering why you never really comment on the art itself - these panels are gorgeous! Jorge Jimenez is one of the best comic artists DC have seen in a lonnng long time
I’m not a expert or anything so don’t take my word for it but basically Tim Drake stopped being Red Robin and became Drake which is also bird theme because a drake is a male duck but his costume looked weird and no one really liked it so now Damian left being Robin and Tim Drake has come back to being Robin
"I've been trying to do this alone. I was wrong. That's why you're here, I need your help." -Batman in "Dark Victory" "Second Chances" "A Lonely Place of Dying" "No Man's Land" "Bruce Wayne: Murderer?" "WAR Games" "The Return of Bruce Wayne" "Batman Incorporated" "Death of the Family" "Endgame" "City of Bane"
Ok I get the reasons why Batman won't kill, and I get why ppl throw the argument why he should and I also get why ppl are frustrated with comic authorities because it should be their job and all to do it but because Joker sells, the authorities have to be kept incompetent. What I want to ask is, why can't Batman just let someone else kill the Joker if he has such a huge problem? Red Hood would be more than happy to oblige, Harley Quinn in this comic makes a compelling argument that she should kill him. Like Batman needs to know and understand that he can't keep doing the same song and dance with the Joker, otherwise the Joker keeps killing or Batman becomes Injustice Superman. So a nice compromise would be to just let Harley or Red Hood kill him or have a random person with a gun just shoot him and all Batman has to do is not save the Joker from that. My biggest beef with Batman isn't that he keeps to his no kill rule, but that he keeps saving the Joker. As Alfred said in the last book, Batman is living in a fantasy for kids, which is a good fantasy, buts still a fantasy.
*My biggest beef with Batman isn't that he keeps to his no kill rule, but that he keeps saving the Joker.* This is it. It wouldn't be that much of a problem if they didn't make it seem like Batman is just kind of letting him go or letting him do what he wants because of hesitation rather than making it seem like less of his choice but the Joker being the one that gets away like in the more classic comics. Batman saving him just doesn't look like he's really doing anything to stop him. It would just be more believable if Joker just outsmarted him.
In the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar, " It's a trap". Joker is likely trying to get Batman to kill him, so that Joker would win. He would have successfully corrupted the Batman. His only rule is that he won't kill, and that is the one rule that he will have to break. Plain and simple: if Batman kills his villains, he is a murderer, which makes Batman a villain.
@@ambervalkerie9134 the one person Jokers wants NOTHING to do with. This Laughing Knight might be pulled from this universe or the joker will be given this armor to fight the Batman Who Laughs and Perpetua in the other DC universe
Are we not gonna talk about how *PHENOMENAL* Jorge Jimenez’ art work in this series has been? He pumps these out at super speed and doesn’t miss a beat.
Here me throwing my hat in the ring, Batman’s “power” isn’t the meme of “cause he’s batman”, it’s actually adaptation. He has the purest sense of the human spirit, no matter what he keeps progressing. Batman losing the Alfred is exactly what he needed. Batman himself is a creation from pain, he was striving to never have to feel that way again. Ergo Batman is born, but because of that he’s flawed, what if he had the same level of lose again? A robin or two would crush Batman but losing the man who raised you and was on your side and never folded since day 1. He lost his “parents” all over again when he lost Alfred. This story line is showing him like he’s said multiple times and even the joker said it batman just isn’t ready for this. Once he overcomes this nothing will be able to really effect him on a mental level. He will become just like the comics said “the perfect Batman”. On the joking side batman will beat a man into a coma then be like “now talk” lmfaooo
You don't go to city to be bad you're stuck in them .if you got the choice to go to a good city you would take that but maybe financially you are unable to do it P.s. love your vid rob
@ It's interesting you say that. I just got finished watching this show called "The Chi" and one of the characters in the show argued that point. People are constantly giving and trying to do better for their city and give back to the city but her argument revolved around the idea that the city doesn't love you or care for you. The city took everything she has ever loved and it will continue to do so. Therefore she found no reason to stay and urged everyone to do the same.
@ But that isn't a possibility for a lot of people in poverty. Like redlining still has lasting effect as even if you have the income to afford a cheaper place (as that is very much the case as renting in "high risk" area are more costly, and being poor in america is expansive), there are so many obstacles that could be your rejected if you apply to somewhere else. Have a prior eviction (because renting in low income comes with way more contract breaches), denied, have a criminal record (even though you likely live in an area were police are more readily to just charge someone for a low level offence), denied, have a low credit score, denied and the list could go on. Also sorry I don't have sources for all these on hand, kinda writing this on a lunch break.
in DC what are really your choices? Metropolis might be a little better I guess... until you realise you could get a Doomsday through your living room wall at any given moment... either way, taxes in Gotham and Metropolis must be INSANELY HIGH, while property prices would be a steal!.
Like how batman gives so many chance to joker by not killing him and letting him go the same way joker also doesn't want to kill the batman they both just play this game with each other
Of course the person could have lost their gun and gotten shot or no one could have gotten shot. Stand your ground is gambling with lives Like the guy who killed his own son for coming home late or the guy who killed his niece because he thought she was a raccoon
Something I've noticed in a semi-recent trend with some of these stories, this, Injustice 2, kind of White Knight, Harley Quinn has really turned into Batman's like real main #2 in a lot of them. Which is funny in its own way given her origins. I feel like Injustice also put a good contrast on Batman's unreasonable stance on the Joker. Joker pulls this level of crap on Superman, Superman plants an arm through his torso. It's not another summer vacation to Arkham to figure out how to one-up his last set of "merry antics", enough is enough.
She makes so much money for DC that it makes more sense to turn her into a good guy. Because frankly she doesn’t really work as a solo bad guy and being Joker’s assistant isn’t really the version people love anymore
Jaeus A but in all fairness 90% of jokers schemes weren’t as insanely personal as injustice (or death in the family or killing joke, or some of the more recent versions where he seems to really REALLY be trying to get Batman to kill him) It used to be joker just sort of messed with the city and didn’t make everything so personal
@@natman2939 Yeah Harley isn't a bad person just a broken one who has good intentions so she's kind of a complex anti hero ever since in Injustice I like her and Batman being a duo of course it shouldn't be exclusive to her being his side kick but its working out to be interesting with her ironically being Batmans conscience.
@@tanuki01 They're still good detective batman moments and recently detective Comics #1000 had a reallllly good detective comic. Pretty much paid homage to all the DC detectives
What if Ra's al Ghul got the Ten Rings What if Dr. Strange got the Helmet of Fate What if Ultron invaded the DC Universe What if Superman got Thor's Hammer. What if the Joker got the Carnage Syombiote What if Thanos got the Anti-Life Equation What if Shang-Chi was the Iron Fist What if the Batman Who Laughs invaded the Marvel Universe
Rob. I love you brotha. Great content. I did feel that you had a missed opportunity at the end to hype the significance of batman not being. Like the "Let me tell you something... Batman was not prepared!!!! He was not prepared!!!!" I was hoping for it. Lol
"Man, let me tell ya something man...there's one sandwich on that plate. And I'll bet all the money in my pockets to all the money in your pockets... that you'll die before I let you eat the last sandwich. Also, that sandwich is the best thing coming out of DC Rebirth. Let me tell you, if GOD made a sandwich, this is what it would look like."
Dude moved awfully quick from “there are extreme circumstances where a person would be justified in stealing” to “none of us really believe stealing is wrong.”
Batman: "I can't kill the joker" Also Batman: *shoots and kills several criminals from his plane(which already had a mounted machine gun) before even meeting the Joker*
I feel like deep down Batman believes that if even one of his greatest nemesis can be turned much more good can be achieved compared to the suffering they caused. And he is ultimately conscious that most of them suffer from mental illness which is a real monster, if he were to petition them to go to prison or kill them then he would be doing what the system has been doing to mentally ill people for years, is Arkham a suitable answer?hell no, but the multiple interactions with Batman is. The Joker on numerous occasions has done acts that resulted in enormous amounts of good. Recent examples include working with Batman against the BWL. Also I know white Knight is Black label, but I feel it is an accurate depiction of what good Joker could do if he can conquer his insanity. Imagine the good Bane could do if he wanted to be a hero, or If Harvey Dent took control for good. I mean just look at how far Harley has came, for her to not get it while even having that convo is kinda ironic, because if Batman started making exceptions long ago she could have been justifiably killed alongside the Joker.
Rob: Not because stealing is wrong... Yeah Rob. Stealing IS wrong. You've taken the manifestation of time, effort, and skill from someone who was given that thing for a fair exchange from someone's else's time/effort/skill. You know what happens when create an environment where it's ok to do that? People for some strange reason don't want to make and exchange stuff anymore because it's likely to get stolen. This means people on the whole are helping each other a LOT less. And it's horrible for everyone. So yes, stealing IS wrong.
GAURENTEE if you were put in a situation where you had to steal to feed your kids you wouldnt be saying the same thing. self preservation trumps EVERYTHING when it comes to human nature
@@rynopotomas2236 Yes I "GAURENTEE" would be. Would I do it out of desperation? Yes. Would it still be wrong? Absolutely yes. Would I be looking for every way possible to NOT be in that situation for myself and kids? Every moment. And just when I thought I'd tried everything, I'd look harder. If I'm stealing food for kids, I would have sold off every luxury I own, have ZERO money for any sort of entertainment or vice, and likely be starving myself.
Two things: • Harley Quinn saying "uuuu if you be killed I'm gonna shoot on him" so shoot in a mirror, she's a psychopath who had been in love with joker for years, supporting and doing everthing for him, now she is good bla bla bla ? • No. I don't want and think that Joker should be killed. Gosh, this character is iconic and very good, now so many others came because this war working for him, I don't know... he should rest his image from comics? YES. Gotham have others great villains too. But not dead. Nope. (English isn't my first language)
in the comics shes been trying to get over him for a while since like 2011 and they both have been trying to kill each other and joker has died like 3 times already in the past ten years he will always come back
The reason why is simple: Batman loves to be the hero. If all of the most violent ones were destroyed, he'd lose his purpose. He could've solved these problems a longggg time ago without even being Batman. He could've used all of his skills, detective work, business, money to help millions with starvation/sickness/poverty. He chooses not too. It's for his own personal emotional gain.
@@mr.dccomics9018 I definitely agree with that but one could invest heavily into jobs programs and medicine. He could invest in research for serums for super human strength but can't invent one to cure cancer? This was heavily hinted towards Lex Luther when Clark told him "You could've saved the world a long time ago". And I'm pretty sure 9M people per could be easily saved
My money on Red Hood. He needs this. He wad beaten and left for dead-actually he was dead-before he was brought back and became the red Hood. So yeah my money on my boy Red Hood.
Part of me really wants DC to explore an actual coupling of Harley and Bats. Either as a Batman and Robin aspect, or romantic couple, or both. Idk why, but I think it could actually be a compelling story arc for both of them.
I agree, it would be an interesting one-shot. I feel like her and Ivy are okay but aren't that interesting because of how they're always portrayed as the perfect couple they always seem to be. Even for just other runs I'd like to se Harley date other anti-hero characters with different chemistry.
[Rob, unpacking your point] If you get in a car wreck b/c your breaks didn’t work, you wouldn’t blame the engine. The engine could function in a different manner, like lowering RPMs, to help make it easier for the car come to a stop... but it isn’t the engines job to stop the car. In the same way.. Batman functions as a part of the justice system in Gotham. A darker/less regulated arm but an extension of it none the less. Batman (this version at least) operates and aims to save lives - he aims to save everyone. He then hands the villains off to the local government to handle them via the legal system. He also works as Bruce Wayne to try and help bolster the capabilities of the city/govt. (like the engine lowering RPMs to help the car stop) My question for you is - at what point do you stop putting pressure on an individual to fundamentally change, when they aren’t the one dropping the ball..? When the “If you cared about life then you’d kill...” argument is made I can’t help but role my eyes. Not only are ultimatums like this BEYOND short sighted (and in this case illogical) but they are frail arguments that inactive parties hide behind. You talk about how all of society/order exists in response to a widely held social contract, one that tries to regulate human behavior as if it was possible to have some form of commonly accepted absolutism. But then you go on to constantly poke holes in it based on your take on circumstance (ie: stealing food for your kid / killing the joker, but not shoplifters) - which is you functioning on a level of authority that you realistically don’t have. Then you argue that Batman (just some dude who has just as much authority over what’s right and wrong as you or I) should take an additional step outside of the law and do more than just interrupt/mitigate crime (as defined by our social contract/legal system). You say that he should unlawfully kill someone to prevent them from unlawfully killing those who the general law would consider “innocent”. You make it sound like this is the only solution and all of Batman’s “good” works are worthless in the face of his inability to kill his villains - but what happens when he takes that step? What if he thinks you SHOULD kill shoplifters? What happens when he thinks IT IS a terrible crime to steal food for your starving child? Stop demanding that the engine does the job of the breaks, just because the breaks don’t work.
The thing is, people don't realize that as soon as Batman kills someone, since he is so traumatized by the death of his parents, he would immediately start brutalizing common muggers. "Ah, so you say you were just trying to get food for yourself and your family? I'm sure Joe Chill would have said the same". Also, he would eventually start letting people die, because getting whatever supervillain he is fighting would save more lives. If killing one person to save ten lives is allowed, why not let another die. The math checks out. Plus, killing villains has the same escalation problem they brought up at the beguining of the Dark designs saga. It just means criminals getting more extreme to stop the Batman from murdering them. It's just not a good idea to kill your villains. Especially in Gotham where one is born every day.
Your terrible analogy is missing one thing. The city of gotham (or anyone else) is incapable of holding the Joker captive. No matter what what they did he would find a way to escape, that's just the nature of the Joker. So sure, you could blame the legal system for failing at an impossible task. But the fact is that because Batman is operating outside the law it allows him to do things that the law never could. Your whole slippery slope argument is ridiculous. Killing a mass-murdering lunatic wont magically make him want to kill shoplifters.
Yeah but dude, if the breaks keep malfunction even if you keep fixing them, you change your car, not do the same over and over again hoping something changes
@koo 1.) it’s not a slippery slope. With the abundance of empirical evidence denoting changes in behavior when humans are given “absolute authority” or perceived superior authority - that would be the back bone for the casual relationship linking all of those hypothetical situations. 2.) Batman operates outside of the law, BUT inside of an absolute form of morality. You are asking for him to not only operate outside of the law but to also operate outside of his core ideology - try reading DeadPool 3.) If it is obvious that the joker should be dead, then have the death penalty legalized in Gotham. Then no one would have to hold him for long and he would inevitably find himself back in a holding cell ready to die a both legal and moral death (from your perspective).
Why does it feel like this made Batman take two steps back after his one giant leap forward. Had this great, I AM BATMAN moment and discussion in his head about what needs to be done, and then goes to confront the Joker and it's the same old same old Batman. "I won't kill the Joker." He sees an undead Alfred and goes "OMGWTF! HOW COULD YOU!" like he wasn't just out of a chemically induced madness coma where he supposedly had this great revelation about what he is and needs to do. I dunno. Watching this after watching the Jonathan Hickman Avengers/New Avengers stuff just makes me love the Jonathan Hickman stuff even more I think.
Joker: *kills thousand a people every month* Batman: i cant kill him Great society: we are peace keepers, hail from a world of people who belive in hope Hickman Avengers/illuminati: nah fam *blows up their planet and kills bilions instantly* Me: hmmmmm
See, it's a solid argument that Batman should kill his villains. BUT there are a thousand other heroes in DC comics that don't kill Batman's villains. Do Superman, Flash, WW, etc all just shrug their shoulders and say, "Not my problem." as the Joker kills thousands and thousands? If we're upset with Batman for not killing these people, you have to be upset with every major DC hero for not stepping in to do the damn deed. Unless you view this as an isolated world where Batman is the only hero. And in that case, look to the argument that Deathstroke made recently that Rob thought was a good argument. Batman forced all of the villains to step up their game because of how brutal and powerful he was compared to them. They had to become over the top to be able to compete with him. Well... wouldn't Batman killing his villains just be another escalation? Wouldn't him becoming more over the top and brutal just create more and more brutal opponents to face him? I dunno. The no killing rule just exists because it's comics and they usually don't want to get rid of characters that they can use later. Bats just gets a bad rap because he's one of the only characters that was given a lore reason for why he does it.
Only AFTER Joker kills Lois Lane. He didn't kill Joker before when he was murdering helpless civilians. Oh no, Joker had to kill his girl before Supes would step up to the plate. And obviously, there are quite a few other stories where people kill the Joker. Point is, 95% of the time all the heroes of DC/Marvel collectively let each others villains live.
Rob actually believes that Batman killing Joker will save innocent people. What a joke. This is why guys like Rob should never write a Batman story because his answers for everything is to turn Batman into the Punisher or The Grim Knight. Predictable unimaginative and very typical of a Marvel guy. The Joker just said in the story that Gotham true face is of chaos and that its been pretending to be something its not because of Batman. Meaning that anybody is capable of becoming The Joker. You kill one Joker and another will replace him. It wouldn't matter if you kill him or not because people are always capable of destruction and chaos. People die and get killed everyday. There is no such thing as complete order of safety without chaos. You take away chaos and life would be boring. You wouldn't need cops because life would be heaven were nothing bad ever happens. Thats not real life. Batman and The Joker is very symbolic of real life. You can fight chaos everyday but you will never defeat it because it is apart of life.
Facts bro I completely agree here was my stance against what he was saying "Ig you don't get the whole Batman/Joker dynamic or the concept of The Batman who laughs if you really think Batman killing Joker is a good idea. Joker's whole ordeal is proving all it takes is one bad day to turn someone like him he wants Batman to kill him. Batman fears killing him because it'll send him down a slippery slope and at that point he'll basically be a villian. A Batman that kills poses serious ramifications for the DC universe. His contingency plans to stop the Justice League or any meta human on Earth would become full on kill orders instead nothing would hold him back and there is no greater embodiment of this than The Batman who Laughs."
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10:04 when I read this part with Harley and Batman . It always make me think of what Batman tell joker in killing joke where both he and joker were running out of alternative on the ending of their battles
I'm in full agreement that at THIS POINT in Batman's History, he should at the very least kill the Joker. Every single step has failed likely 100 times over. He can't fix the Joker. The System can't fix the Joker. Harley can't fix the Joker. At this point, nothing can. And with all of these stories it never seems like Batman ever PREVENTS anything. Gone are the days of hostage situations and people tied to giant pennies. Once Batman chooses to get involved, people have already died. Sure things could be worse. But what is there to be said for the people who always die before Batman fixes the issue? All Batman is at this point (to me) is an enabler for his villains.
@@mr.dccomics9018 Like any game of chess. You plan the game as far ahead as you can and play one turn at a time; change as the game does. But what batman has done with the Joker is the definition of insanity.
@@abarainosa no it is not because The Joker represents chaos. Yin and Yang, there is no one without the other. Ask yourself this question. When has there ever been a time when somebody didn't die from wars, crimes, sickness, accidents etc. There has never been a time where people didn't do horrible stuff to one another. Meaning, you can never defeat the Joker even if you did kill him. He always returns. There is no such thing as paradise on earth. Bad things happens and you have to prepare for it and fight it like Batman.
Gotham doesn't have the death penalty. They have to do a high federal level offense for it to even be possible. Like Joker Devil's advocate where Joker was framed for poisoning a bunch of people in a post office and that crime Mr. Freeze was accused of during Tom King's run.
Batman’s argument is that he wants to give his villains a chance to change and reform and in some cases it’s worked Harley clayface redhood poison ivy but I also believe that the joker is a rare acception even Batman’s more hardcore villains are afraid of the joker
Rob is such a moral relativist.. Batman can’t kill joker because then he might as well kill all the other villains.. we run into the injustice storyline.. you can’t pick and choose how evil someone has to be do deserve death. That’s why he puts it in the hands of the justice system. As weak as it is.. it is the collective justice of the people.. not of just one man. Batman is right not to kill the joker.. if he does. joker wins.
The reason Batman doesn't kill the joker is because in some sick sense, he needs him just as much as Joker needs Batman. They're both extremely sick people.
Joker: *makes his own Batsuit* Batman: ...... Joker: What!? Who Laughs: ...... Joker: NOT YOU TOO!! WHY THE SILENT TREATMENT!? Batman: You steal my company.....know my identity and YOU STEAL MY TECH ONLY TO DRESS LIKE ME!? Joker: Your point? Who Laughs: Joker.....in my Universe you turned me INTO YOU yet I GAVE MYSELF AN ORIGINAL LOOK TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM BATMAN! Joker: Again..... Your point!? Batman: For the love of Who Laughs: God
9:50 does any other villian have a body count like the Joker??? Aside from like Mangog and other supernatural entities, does villians like Vulture, Rhino, even Dr.Doom have the body count and overall psychopathic like the Joker. I'm totally in the "Kill Joker Camp" but again I'm surprised the law still hasn't done so lol at this point it pretty much is up to Batman 😂 or Harley; Please snipe his brains out!!!!
Well the law has to follow the law lol, if the death penalty isnt a thing in gotham (and even if it is, would it be legal to do on an insane person) it's pretty difficult for them to do anything.
@@Koooo4 Valid point however the cops are not bound by magic to follow unjust laws. And if the law tells you to spare the life of a serial killer, so he can kill more people, in hopes that we can reach him 1 day, then the laws are unjust and need to be changed. Also as history taught "I was just following orders" is not an acceptable excuse. Regardless unless redeeming 1 lost person is worth the 10-100 lives he takes every time you let him live, they should've been killed him
If Rob ran for President on the platform of "I'll make the purge a reality because let's be honest, we all deep down think it's a good idea" then I'd vote for him 👍🏻
You're right we all know it's not right but deep down most of us think it's good because atleast once in lyf we had grudges for someone and we get a chance we would really love to kill that person
I feel like the whole "no killing" rule comes from the old era of batman where most of the criminals in his comics were mostly quirky thieves that didn't really warrant killing. The no kill rule becomes more and more absurd as they introduce characters like professor pig and victor szasz who are both basically just serial killers. Joker probably didn't warrant killing in his first few appearances but his mythos over time just makes it more apparent that the rule is kind of dumb. I don't know if they can ever really eliminate the rule because it might make batman seem less like batman but I do think writers need to find a way to make him not seem insane because I swear he almost seems just as bad as the villains by letting this stuff go on. Maybe he needs like a 3 strikes rule or something lol.
gotta admit though, makes for interesting story ideas, the moral dilemma that is, only problem we've been having the same Joker argument in a time period we are supersaturated with the Joker, and the same thing is happening in the 3 Joker's storyline too, only with Jason and Babs
"HE WASN'T READY! " 🤣🤣 I only read the first issue of Joker war but after watching this one, Man, is the duality humanity still a good talking point. Really like the run so far
In our day and age, we are so fortunate to get to experience the most amazing stories, written so well! And then, like a Masterful Painting that speaks a thousand words, we have the most incredible art work in our comics these days unique in our comics in our time.
I honestly can't stand stories like this (but I do enjoy listening to Rob explain them lol) they have the villain get away with so much evil it makes the hero of the story feel like just a victim. And when the hero finally stops him in the end it never feels like he won to me, its more like, to little to late.
I see where you're coming from but would it not make him more of an anti-hero and not an actual full on villain. He's willing to kill his most extreme villains to keep the city/world safe from them.
It bugs me that they’ve made nearly every building in the city on fire, and yet the Justice League is no where to be found. Not a single heavy hitter can help the city. It doesn’t make sense even from a comic book mentality.
*Superman and the Justice League turn evil:*
Batman: I have plans and backup plans for my backup plans.
*Joker breaks out of Arkham for the 40th time and attacks Gotham:*
Batman: I never expected this.
To be fair, no one can expect joker
@@helpme4720 you are right. Which why he is the best villain
😂
I feel like it’s because it’s exactly like Batman , 2 mostly powerless man chasing after each other what’re supposed to prep against?
What an idiot it’s not the 40th time it’s the 400th time
Something neat about the Joker-suit. That was the same suit Bruce and Alfred designed for Bruce to use when they finally made Gotham safe, so now the Joker has twisted that dream into a nightmare as well
That mouth symbol should be a shirt
I spot it too! Took me a while to realize that though.
Think someone said this suit is for Nightwing since he'll take over as Batman
I really think it would have been cool if Joker kept the suit for a while, and made it legitimately a Joker corrupted Batsuit, then it would give Batman a real challenge from him, hes missing. not in just combat but tools and gadgets Joker should be able to use to pull off more.
Man the struggle is real with this one. I've always been back and forth on the whole "Batman needs to put his villains down" thing.
Here's the thing for me, I guess. Superheroes are guardians, not executoners. They protect by capturing the bad guys and giving them over to the authorities. From there, it's the responsibility of the civilians to ensure that justice is meted out. So if the supervillain escapes again and kills again, that's on the authorities, not on the superheroes.
If the superhero steps into the role of executoners, Then they are choosing to become the authority, declaring that they are above the rest of us. That's how you get things like Injustice Superman.
Awesome analysis!👍
Exactly. No one man should be judge, jury AND executioner.
That’s actually pretty wise
Although granted it’s batman who puts him in arkham not a max security prison
You don't see this argument at all! This is the first time i see this.
@@willchalloner6643 Right, but if Arkham is the place Batman is being told to send these criminals, then again it falls to the civilian authorities to ensure that they are put there.
That's what makes someone like Jim Gordon so important as an incorrptable cop- he's the example by which the other Gotham authorities need to be judged.
So you’ve seen the Batman who laughs, now meet the Joker who Bats
That's a good one.
The Laughing Knight
I love this
Dark Joke?
The joker who scowls
"Jokers not that crazy".
*reanimates Alfred
"Ok... thats a new level".
so maybe this is how Alfred gets revived?
@@ambervalkerie9134 lol oh myyy well...if the war ends & we get a well you're fixed old boy, we know Bats can now cure death, oh this is excluding Lazarus pits
Amber Valkerie right, Bruce is going to keep him around the Wayne mansion swinging his zombie head around his broken neck 🤣
Doesn't Alfred appear in Doomsday Clock which is set in the future? Or am I confusing it with Death Metal?
@@MichaelBoogerd Maybe it'd be like the ending in Shaun of The Dead.
“I’m Batman.” - Joker
I love how everyone is roasting Tims "Drake" phase. "Duck Boy"
Ok if Harley is the only one who’s thinking straight then we’re in deep doo doo😓
Well what are the odds of joker living after this? I’m pretty sure Gotham is gonna take the joker somewhere with a death sentence and have him killed
That is a problem. Even Red Hood (of all people) seemed surprised that Harley was marching off to murder the Joker.
...that, or he was surprised she called dibs before him. (I'll go with that head canon... makes more sense)
I don't get why anyone would risk being a joker henchmen, the mortality rates are probably the highest of any Gotham villain. I'd rather work for penguin, two face or riddler. The Joker henchmen are probably the kind of idiots the other villains don't want.
I would imagine when it comes to Joker he goes for the bottom of the barrel. Like with Penguin and Two-Face, they surely have some standards for their goons.
Joker, he goes for the ones who are literally a means to an end, like when you see a real criminal who is utterly stupid at their crime, that’s what Joker goes for so long as they can drive a car and shoot a gun.
Here anyway, in Injustice they seem to have some capabilities.
@@SuperShanko I definitely agree with you there. If you're bottom picking, it's a lot easier to tie up loose strings.
That's another thing I really liked about the Nolan Joker; He either hired people too stupid/greedy/ignorant to know his deal, or went for people that were as crazy as him but less functional about it.
An actual conversation between the Joker and one of his henchmen in the Injustice origin comics
Joker: Ned you’re in charge of the rug
Ned: Do you want the rug on fire?
Joker: Why would I want the rug on fire?
Ned: Everything’s better on fire!
I look at it this way: with the penguin, all of his minions are expected to be formal, but at the end of the day, they are nothing more than a mob family and thus difficult to get into. The riddler always loses, so minions can't expect any payout with him. Two-face has no job security since there can be a job one day and none the next on a coin flip.
Now, joker? Joker wins. He might be crazy, but his plans always work. If you survive a joker heist, you're definitely getting paid. No extensive background like penguin, no failure like riddler, no waiting periods like two-face. Just a high-risk, high reward payout.
I love how Harley is basically in the Bat Family now lol she’s like their crazy cousin or something
Right? Lol perfect discription
This idea? I do not like. I’m not even cool with Huntress in the Bat Family the way some writers write her in my honest opinion, given kindly, as just my thoughts in my mind when I read the comment 🤷🏾♂️
@@excellenceadigun9093 My honest opinion as what comes to my mind me reading your comment stop having a stick up your ass🤷🏿♂️
@@glazed_waffle5629 can't ppl just have their own opinions and not get insulted for it?
Glazed_Waffle dude. I put that there so you would kno I’m not being pretentious or rude. I’m trying to join in conversation with the rest of the Rob Corps. If you feel offended by my comment, that was never my intention. I already felt weary of my wording. But please chill please? 🙏🏾
I'm still trying to figure out why Gotham can't just have the death penalty for repeat offenders instead of waiting for Batman to become the Punisher.
Because, legally speaking, Joker isn't a criminal. He is never found guilty. He is not guilty by reason of insanity. Which begs the question of what is wrong with the jurors they pick? ...or is it the judge who decides that one? Either way, no lawyer, no matter how high priced is going to be able to convince people to find him not guilty by reason of insanity that many times over. At some point, they would ignore that concept and just decide if Joker is guilty or not. No loopholes. Even if it would be breaking some law or another to do so if they really did think he was crazy.
@@Bluesit32 lol... funny how police are more likely to gun down poor people by "accident" but will safely deliver Joker to an asylum a 100 times.
Kinda makes you wonder about why the system seems so lenient on him. He'd been executed if he were in any other country.
@@Bluesit32 Except everyone that knows the Joker knows for a fact he isn't insane. He knows exactly what he's doing. Harley Quinn called him out on it. Jason Todd called him out on it. Commissioner Gordan called him out on it. Batman himself called him out on it.
The incompetence of the judge and jury is to blame here. Joker should have been executed a LONG time ago.
TheBlues32
You’d think they’d make a new law to excuse this one case where it’s a public service or whatever to execute Joker.
@@Bluesit32 wasn't it answered that Gotham and the judges are is corrupt which is why joker was never put in death row.
There's a pretty cool line in the Dark Knight Returns, where Joker has killed a lot of people, and Batman says to himself "How many people have I killed by letting you live"
And the answer is always “nobody”. The joker killed them. He could have turned over a new leaf. He could have changed at any point but he chose to kill them. The courts of Gotham could have had him executed. This mindset that Batman is responsible for ending the joker is how we get cops killing people on the street in real life
@@tanuki01 But if batman knows the system is corrupt then that also makes him responsible. like if he knows joker is gonna be released and murder again knowing full well the government of Gotham is literally against the people and the people have no way out. then he is responsible
9:45
"why doesn't Spider-Man kill his villains"
His villains don't even want to be villains. They can and have redeemed themselves.
"Why doesn't Thor?"
He does...He's a war God...
His villains just don't stay dead because they are also gods.
"The Incredible Hulk"
He does, too. But his villains, like Thor's, don't stay dead.
Batman likes the game Joker plays, he and Joker are addicted to the game. As long as the game is played, Joker lives.
Thank you?
The argument coming from Jarley Quinn provides it's own answer. She changed. If Batman killed his villains she wouldn't be where she is now. This is especially important as she was with the joker for many of his crimes.
Batman- I can’t kill him Harley his plot armor is stronger than mines
Dick Grayson costume kinda reminds of the Comedian costume.
Funny that it appears in the Joker War story. It's all a joke.
They should've just made Joker someone who Batman couldn't seem to catch. Joker being a sadistic, somewhat genius, who can match wits with Batman & always be a few steps ahead. HIS ultimate nemesis. Then you can have some real tension, like damn Batman just can't seem to keep up with this guy. Because since we ALL KNOW it's not really difficult on any level for Bats to just off Joker, it's really just annoying at this point because Batman keeps catching him & pretty much waiting for his escape. He's really not proving anything. At this point Bruce is just being stubborn about always doing this HIS way. He's just butt hurt because Joker is forcing his hand & Batman just CAN'T BE CONTROLLED. He ALWAYS does things HIS way. Essentially Joker is just that person who proves you wrong & you just have to suck it up & realize, you got bested. But Batman can't accept that. He won't kill Joker because of PRIDE. It's okay to say that your code isn't flawless.
That's nothing to do with pride. He believes every person can be rehabilitated. He is persistent in this conviction, obviously, to a fault.
Chris Cooper yea, he won’t accept that he’s wrong about that.
@@Moshuun Batnan, the best detective on earth can't deduce that his code has flaws? I dont think so. He knows. And maybe that belief is faulted, but he has accepted that he is just a protector, not an executioner.
At first glance, ..
Batman: Sherlock Holmes
Joker: Professor James Moriarty
Now for a retake look on Keith Ledger Joker from Nolan's " Dark Knight " movie.
They say the Joker from the comics is they type of guy that any given time will walk up to someone at a bus stop right before the bus comes to a stop.
a.) He just gives the person a $50 bill and tells them to have a nice day.
b.) He/ the Joker shoves the person right in front of the bus as it comes to a stop just to watch the body gets bounce instead of being ran over.
c.) The Joker gives someone a $100 bill & then he pushes them under the bus when they though their day was brightening up.
Ironic poetic justice, or gritty revenge of a derange serial killer.
The Joker plays with a poker chip, one side red as blood, the other side white as snow. And he flips to see if he murders redrum them or gives them an innocent gift of cash.
Here is the catch, ...
a.) The random office work he thrown under the bus is how the person got ahead at work, by screwing over their co workers and pushing blame onto others.
b.) The cop he shoot dead and then place 30 silver dollars in his mouth.
c.) The Joker didn't just murder someone, then " frame " them for a crime they didn't committed. He just finds the evidence that showed his victim was guilty of.
d.) The Joker drives a small group of people into suicide depression with ceaseless stalking and taunts. Why, what did these people do to someone else in high school or college ?
Every " random " person the Joker kills has a pass history of being a bully or pass betrayal with a skeleton or two or more in their closet. Bullies laugh at people weaker then they are, now the Joker gets the joke.
It is not so much that life is a joke and death is the punch line.
The joke is that people believe or like to think they are so innocent and free of sin in the eyes of god. But in truth will all deserve death.
Look up YT phase : Batman/ Joker : god is santa clause. It is a fun comic.
Since Batman deals with the likes of Zantanna and Jason Blood, so the Joker wakes up each day and plays Russian roulette with himself, and some days he gets the bullet into his ear. On those days the Joker just laughs it off and finds someone that is worth his time to kill.
Chris Cooper you’d be surprised how pride can hold the best of us back.
I'm always wondering why you never really comment on the art itself - these panels are gorgeous! Jorge Jimenez is one of the best comic artists DC have seen in a lonnng long time
Because he is explaining the story. Would be annoying as hell.
This channel is not about that on the other hand the art is the only good thing about this comic.
I agree, he's always commenting on authors but never seems to appreciate the artwork
@@Koooo4 I'd argue - whats the point in the comic medium if you're NOT going to appreciate the art?
Harley needs to kill the Joker.
or the clownhunter
@Francisco Leyva Martin just saying
dead_freak youtube nah Red Hood he deserves the kill honestly just like he did in 3 jokers
I love how every writer is just ROASTING the whole "Drake" thing
I'm out of the loop, what's the Drake thing?
I’m not a expert or anything so don’t take my word for it but basically Tim Drake stopped being Red Robin and became Drake which is also bird theme because a drake is a male duck but his costume looked weird and no one really liked it so now Damian left being Robin and Tim Drake has come back to being Robin
@@QuestionableLogic_ Tim Drake....Drake = male duck... hence "Duckboy"
@@kriss7483 where tf is damien then?
@@SA80TAGE lmfao
"I've been trying to do this alone. I was wrong. That's why you're here, I need your help."
-Batman in
"Dark Victory"
"Second Chances"
"A Lonely Place of Dying"
"No Man's Land"
"Bruce Wayne: Murderer?"
"WAR Games"
"The Return of Bruce Wayne"
"Batman Incorporated"
"Death of the Family"
"Endgame"
"City of Bane"
Heck even Batman and Robin (the movie) had a little bit of that
Ok I get the reasons why Batman won't kill, and I get why ppl throw the argument why he should and I also get why ppl are frustrated with comic authorities because it should be their job and all to do it but because Joker sells, the authorities have to be kept incompetent.
What I want to ask is, why can't Batman just let someone else kill the Joker if he has such a huge problem? Red Hood would be more than happy to oblige, Harley Quinn in this comic makes a compelling argument that she should kill him. Like Batman needs to know and understand that he can't keep doing the same song and dance with the Joker, otherwise the Joker keeps killing or Batman becomes Injustice Superman. So a nice compromise would be to just let Harley or Red Hood kill him or have a random person with a gun just shoot him and all Batman has to do is not save the Joker from that.
My biggest beef with Batman isn't that he keeps to his no kill rule, but that he keeps saving the Joker. As Alfred said in the last book, Batman is living in a fantasy for kids, which is a good fantasy, buts still a fantasy.
It's not just about no killing, its helping people because he believes they can become better than what they are. Like he did.
Red Hood and Harley Quinn could just kill the Joker without seeking Batman's permission too.
*My biggest beef with Batman isn't that he keeps to his no kill rule, but that he keeps saving the Joker.*
This is it. It wouldn't be that much of a problem if they didn't make it seem like Batman is just kind of letting him go or letting him do what he wants because of hesitation rather than making it seem like less of his choice but the Joker being the one that gets away like in the more classic comics. Batman saving him just doesn't look like he's really doing anything to stop him. It would just be more believable if Joker just outsmarted him.
Dude, is it me or do signal look like wolverine. 5:28 like it
Terrible name lol
Yep
Harley Quinn: Fine, if you don't want to kill anyone I expect you to kill me right here
Batman: *visible confusion*
I don't think she meant that. She meant knock her out, maybe break some bones so she doesn't get up and finish the job. Disable her.
Kinda like Jason end the joker to save life pretty sure he will kill the joker at the end
TheBlues32
That’s what i thought, like giving her one strong KO.
She meant knock her out. Rob made a mistake. It’s clearly implied that she wants to to take her out, like make her unconscious
In the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar, " It's a trap".
Joker is likely trying to get Batman to kill him, so that Joker would win. He would have successfully corrupted the Batman. His only rule is that he won't kill, and that is the one rule that he will have to break. Plain and simple: if Batman kills his villains, he is a murderer, which makes Batman a villain.
Love how batman pulls a briefcase out from his cape.
The real Batman who laughs.
The Joker who Bats.
Joker is ready to go toe to toe with Batman.
now I'm just waiting The Batman Who Laughs to crash into the comic. Oh God pls no
Bats in the Belfry.
@@ambervalkerie9134 the one person Jokers wants NOTHING to do with. This Laughing Knight might be pulled from this universe or the joker will be given this armor to fight the Batman Who Laughs and Perpetua in the other DC universe
Are we not gonna talk about how *PHENOMENAL* Jorge Jimenez’ art work in this series has been? He pumps these out at super speed and doesn’t miss a beat.
Here me throwing my hat in the ring, Batman’s “power” isn’t the meme of “cause he’s batman”, it’s actually adaptation. He has the purest sense of the human spirit, no matter what he keeps progressing. Batman losing the Alfred is exactly what he needed. Batman himself is a creation from pain, he was striving to never have to feel that way again. Ergo Batman is born, but because of that he’s flawed, what if he had the same level of lose again? A robin or two would crush Batman but losing the man who raised you and was on your side and never folded since day 1. He lost his “parents” all over again when he lost Alfred. This story line is showing him like he’s said multiple times and even the joker said it batman just isn’t ready for this. Once he overcomes this nothing will be able to really effect him on a mental level. He will become just like the comics said “the perfect Batman”. On the joking side batman will beat a man into a coma then be like “now talk” lmfaooo
You don't go to city to be bad you're stuck in them .if you got the choice to go to a good city you would take that but maybe financially you are unable to do it
P.s. love your vid rob
@ It's interesting you say that. I just got finished watching this show called "The Chi" and one of the characters in the show argued that point. People are constantly giving and trying to do better for their city and give back to the city but her argument revolved around the idea that the city doesn't love you or care for you. The city took everything she has ever loved and it will continue to do so. Therefore she found no reason to stay and urged everyone to do the same.
@ But that isn't a possibility for a lot of people in poverty. Like redlining still has lasting effect as even if you have the income to afford a cheaper place (as that is very much the case as renting in "high risk" area are more costly, and being poor in america is expansive), there are so many obstacles that could be your rejected if you apply to somewhere else. Have a prior eviction (because renting in low income comes with way more contract breaches), denied, have a criminal record (even though you likely live in an area were police are more readily to just charge someone for a low level offence), denied, have a low credit score, denied and the list could go on.
Also sorry I don't have sources for all these on hand, kinda writing this on a lunch break.
@ You're underestimating how expensive it is to uproot and move somewhere else.
in DC what are really your choices? Metropolis might be a little better I guess... until you realise you could get a Doomsday through your living room wall at any given moment... either way, taxes in Gotham and Metropolis must be INSANELY HIGH, while property prices would be a steal!.
@ I think also when u get a child ,thing change. A normadic life is hard with a baby on board.
But I always dream of going to the boring country side
"I'm not him in a batsuit." - The Batman Who Laughs.
11:55 So that's what he meant. Damn!
What if Jason Todd/Red Hood became Spawn?
What if Vandal Savage possessed the Mandarin's ten rings?
What if Ultron invaded the Star Wars universe?
Joker was playing Normal mode ... now his Legendary Mode ... let see who wins
Like how batman gives so many chance to joker by not killing him and letting him go the same way joker also doesn't want to kill the batman they both just play this game with each other
Beyond Omega Level: Empty Hand (DC)
Glad to hear you mention Texas. That exact scenario happened two days ago two blocks from my sister in nice neighborhood. Robber broke in got shot
Ryan Caviness the guy fucked around and found out
Of course the person could have lost their gun and gotten shot or no one could have gotten shot. Stand your ground is gambling with lives
Like the guy who killed his own son for coming home late or the guy who killed his niece because he thought she was a raccoon
Something I've noticed in a semi-recent trend with some of these stories, this, Injustice 2, kind of White Knight, Harley Quinn has really turned into Batman's like real main #2 in a lot of them. Which is funny in its own way given her origins.
I feel like Injustice also put a good contrast on Batman's unreasonable stance on the Joker. Joker pulls this level of crap on Superman, Superman plants an arm through his torso. It's not another summer vacation to Arkham to figure out how to one-up his last set of "merry antics", enough is enough.
She makes so much money for DC that it makes more sense to turn her into a good guy.
Because frankly she doesn’t really work as a solo bad guy and being Joker’s assistant isn’t really the version people love anymore
Jaeus A but in all fairness 90% of jokers schemes weren’t as insanely personal as injustice (or death in the family or killing joke, or some of the more recent versions where he seems to really REALLY be trying to get Batman to kill him)
It used to be joker just sort of messed with the city and didn’t make everything so personal
@@natman2939 Yeah Harley isn't a bad person just a broken one who has good intentions so she's kind of a complex anti hero ever since in Injustice I like her and Batman being a duo of course it shouldn't be exclusive to her being his side kick but its working out to be interesting with her ironically being Batmans conscience.
natman2939 writers really have been escalating the joker more and more as they try to make Batman less and less of a detective
@@tanuki01 They're still good detective batman moments and recently detective Comics #1000 had a reallllly good detective comic. Pretty much paid homage to all the DC detectives
What if Ra's al Ghul got the Ten Rings
What if Dr. Strange got the Helmet of Fate
What if Ultron invaded the DC Universe
What if Superman got Thor's Hammer.
What if the Joker got the Carnage Syombiote
What if Thanos got the Anti-Life Equation
What if Shang-Chi was the Iron Fist
What if the Batman Who Laughs invaded the Marvel Universe
I'd like to see, what if Spideman was in Gotham instead of Batman.
Or what if Harley and Domino worked together.
Rob. I love you brotha. Great content.
I did feel that you had a missed opportunity at the end to hype the significance of batman not being. Like the "Let me tell you something... Batman was not prepared!!!! He was not prepared!!!!"
I was hoping for it. Lol
Every time Rob talks politics or ethics I end up very scared to be alone in a room with him
"Man, let me tell ya something man...there's one sandwich on that plate. And I'll bet all the money in my pockets to all the money in your pockets... that you'll die before I let you eat the last sandwich.
Also, that sandwich is the best thing coming out of DC Rebirth. Let me tell you, if GOD made a sandwich, this is what it would look like."
Cory Morgan 😂😂😂 underrated comment!
@Ex Abdul So is your point?
@@EmrysMerlin8807 😂😂😂😂😂
@@GeminibBorn Some people make it too easy.
Character Explained/Beyond Omega Level: RESURRECTION MAN
Lol. I've seen this request before on other videos 👀💀😭
Bryson Wesley its on everyone now lol
STFU Nobody cares
This is the definition of hope keep going u can do it
@@Angelc958, thank you
As much as the joker deserves to die, killing him would probably make him into a martyr
Jokers Batman suit reminds me of his Batman suit from “the Batman”
Dude moved awfully quick from “there are extreme circumstances where a person would be justified in stealing” to “none of us really believe stealing is wrong.”
Batman is about to snap so damn hard bruh
Batman: "I can't kill the joker"
Also Batman: *shoots and kills several criminals from his plane(which already had a mounted machine gun) before even meeting the Joker*
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Those dreaded words “with that being said guys”
I feel like deep down Batman believes that if even one of his greatest nemesis can be turned much more good can be achieved compared to the suffering they caused. And he is ultimately conscious that most of them suffer from mental illness which is a real monster, if he were to petition them to go to prison or kill them then he would be doing what the system has been doing to mentally ill people for years, is Arkham a suitable answer?hell no, but the multiple interactions with Batman is. The Joker on numerous occasions has done acts that resulted in enormous amounts of good. Recent examples include working with Batman against the BWL. Also I know white Knight is Black label, but I feel it is an accurate depiction of what good Joker could do if he can conquer his insanity. Imagine the good Bane could do if he wanted to be a hero, or If Harvey Dent took control for good. I mean just look at how far Harley has came, for her to not get it while even having that convo is kinda ironic, because if Batman started making exceptions long ago she could have been justifiably killed alongside the Joker.
Rob: Not because stealing is wrong...
Yeah Rob. Stealing IS wrong. You've taken the manifestation of time, effort, and skill from someone who was given that thing for a fair exchange from someone's else's time/effort/skill.
You know what happens when create an environment where it's ok to do that? People for some strange reason don't want to make and exchange stuff anymore because it's likely to get stolen.
This means people on the whole are helping each other a LOT less. And it's horrible for everyone.
So yes, stealing IS wrong.
GAURENTEE if you were put in a situation where you had to steal to feed your kids you wouldnt be saying the same thing. self preservation trumps EVERYTHING when it comes to human nature
@@rynopotomas2236 Yes I "GAURENTEE" would be. Would I do it out of desperation? Yes. Would it still be wrong? Absolutely yes.
Would I be looking for every way possible to NOT be in that situation for myself and kids?
Every moment. And just when I thought I'd tried everything, I'd look harder.
If I'm stealing food for kids, I would have sold off every luxury I own, have ZERO money for any sort of entertainment or vice, and likely be starving myself.
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@@Axesiscntrl I genuinely couldn't wait for this. Sadly, I can't buy comics. This helps a ton with keeping up with good comics!
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There are free sites out there to read comics on
Jason literally gave the same argument to Bruce about the joker for decades now. But yeah Harley is the one that's gonna make him think deep -_-
Two things:
• Harley Quinn saying "uuuu if you be killed I'm gonna shoot on him" so shoot in a mirror, she's a psychopath who had been in love with joker for years, supporting and doing everthing for him, now she is good bla bla bla ?
• No. I don't want and think that Joker should be killed. Gosh, this character is iconic and very good, now so many others came because this war working for him, I don't know... he should rest his image from comics? YES. Gotham have others great villains too. But not dead. Nope.
(English isn't my first language)
in the comics shes been trying to get over him for a while since like 2011 and they both have been trying to kill each other and joker has died like 3 times already in the past ten years he will always come back
The reason why is simple: Batman loves to be the hero. If all of the most violent ones were destroyed, he'd lose his purpose. He could've solved these problems a longggg time ago without even being Batman. He could've used all of his skills, detective work, business, money to help millions with starvation/sickness/poverty. He chooses not too. It's for his own personal emotional gain.
You don't help people buy giving them money.
@@mr.dccomics9018 I definitely agree with that but one could invest heavily into jobs programs and medicine. He could invest in research for serums for super human strength but can't invent one to cure cancer? This was heavily hinted towards Lex Luther when Clark told him "You could've saved the world a long time ago". And I'm pretty sure 9M people per could be easily saved
@@TheSwordfish009 true.
Harley Quinn the voice of reason, I put my money on either redhood or harley killing the joker
My money on Red Hood. He needs this. He wad beaten and left for dead-actually he was dead-before he was brought back and became the red Hood. So yeah my money on my boy Red Hood.
Part of me really wants DC to explore an actual coupling of Harley and Bats. Either as a Batman and Robin aspect, or romantic couple, or both. Idk why, but I think it could actually be a compelling story arc for both of them.
I agree, it would be an interesting one-shot. I feel like her and Ivy are okay but aren't that interesting because of how they're always portrayed as the perfect couple they always seem to be. Even for just other runs I'd like to se Harley date other anti-hero characters with different chemistry.
Reminds me of Jared Leto joker bat suit from that toy
Never have I had a more visceral reaction than seeing that thumbnail.
[Rob, unpacking your point]
If you get in a car wreck b/c your breaks didn’t work, you wouldn’t blame the engine. The engine could function in a different manner, like lowering RPMs, to help make it easier for the car come to a stop... but it isn’t the engines job to stop the car.
In the same way.. Batman functions as a part of the justice system in Gotham. A darker/less regulated arm but an extension of it none the less.
Batman (this version at least) operates and aims to save lives - he aims to save everyone. He then hands the villains off to the local government to handle them via the legal system.
He also works as Bruce Wayne to try and help bolster the capabilities of the city/govt. (like the engine lowering RPMs to help the car stop)
My question for you is - at what point do you stop putting pressure on an individual to fundamentally change, when they aren’t the one dropping the ball..?
When the “If you cared about life then you’d kill...” argument is made I can’t help but role my eyes. Not only are ultimatums like this BEYOND short sighted (and in this case illogical) but they are frail arguments that inactive parties hide behind.
You talk about how all of society/order exists in response to a widely held social contract, one that tries to regulate human behavior as if it was possible to have some form of commonly accepted absolutism. But then you go on to constantly poke holes in it based on your take on circumstance (ie: stealing food for your kid / killing the joker, but not shoplifters) - which is you functioning on a level of authority that you realistically don’t have.
Then you argue that Batman (just some dude who has just as much authority over what’s right and wrong as you or I) should take an additional step outside of the law and do more than just interrupt/mitigate crime (as defined by our social contract/legal system). You say that he should unlawfully kill someone to prevent them from unlawfully killing those who the general law would consider “innocent”.
You make it sound like this is the only solution and all of Batman’s “good” works are worthless in the face of his inability to kill his villains - but what happens when he takes that step? What if he thinks you SHOULD kill shoplifters? What happens when he thinks IT IS a terrible crime to steal food for your starving child?
Stop demanding that the engine does the job of the breaks, just because the breaks don’t work.
The thing is, people don't realize that as soon as Batman kills someone, since he is so traumatized by the death of his parents, he would immediately start brutalizing common muggers. "Ah, so you say you were just trying to get food for yourself and your family? I'm sure Joe Chill would have said the same".
Also, he would eventually start letting people die, because getting whatever supervillain he is fighting would save more lives. If killing one person to save ten lives is allowed, why not let another die. The math checks out.
Plus, killing villains has the same escalation problem they brought up at the beguining of the Dark designs saga. It just means criminals getting more extreme to stop the Batman from murdering them.
It's just not a good idea to kill your villains. Especially in Gotham where one is born every day.
Your terrible analogy is missing one thing. The city of gotham (or anyone else) is incapable of holding the Joker captive. No matter what what they did he would find a way to escape, that's just the nature of the Joker.
So sure, you could blame the legal system for failing at an impossible task. But the fact is that because Batman is operating outside the law it allows him to do things that the law never could.
Your whole slippery slope argument is ridiculous. Killing a mass-murdering lunatic wont magically make him want to kill shoplifters.
Yeah but dude, if the breaks keep malfunction even if you keep fixing them, you change your car, not do the same over and over again hoping something changes
@koo 1.) it’s not a slippery slope. With the abundance of empirical evidence denoting changes in behavior when humans are given “absolute authority” or perceived superior authority - that would be the back bone for the casual relationship linking all of those hypothetical situations.
2.) Batman operates outside of the law, BUT inside of an absolute form of morality. You are asking for him to not only operate outside of the law but to also operate outside of his core ideology - try reading DeadPool
3.) If it is obvious that the joker should be dead, then have the death penalty legalized in Gotham. Then no one would have to hold him for long and he would inevitably find himself back in a holding cell ready to die a both legal and moral death (from your perspective).
Batman: if you kill a killer, the number of killer on earth remains the same.
Me: so... Kill a bunch of killers then?
That’s where Jason started. Also, the state should probably have a monopoly on judicial murder
@@tanuki01 so I'm Jason todd lol
My dad used to have a shirt that said "Some people are alive simply because it's illegal to kill them."
That’s a dumb shirt.
@@geigercourtier And you're one of those people.
Why does it feel like this made Batman take two steps back after his one giant leap forward. Had this great, I AM BATMAN moment and discussion in his head about what needs to be done, and then goes to confront the Joker and it's the same old same old Batman. "I won't kill the Joker." He sees an undead Alfred and goes "OMGWTF! HOW COULD YOU!" like he wasn't just out of a chemically induced madness coma where he supposedly had this great revelation about what he is and needs to do.
I dunno.
Watching this after watching the Jonathan Hickman Avengers/New Avengers stuff just makes me love the Jonathan Hickman stuff even more I think.
Joker: *kills thousand a people every month*
Batman: i cant kill him
Great society: we are peace keepers, hail from a world of people who belive in hope
Hickman Avengers/illuminati: nah fam *blows up their planet and kills bilions instantly*
Me: hmmmmm
Mal Mort that is in their authority. Batman does not have that authority
When I saw the thumbnail I new that this was going to get good.
People come to comics explained for the story. They stay for the ethical questions, philosophical debates, and moral quandaries.
Does anyone else like to think rob does the intro perfectly for each and every video rather than using the same audio clip?
Didn't Jared Leto's joker have a scrapped batsuit?
either way, love the video rob!
Joker in a Batman suit is something I never knew I wanted
See, it's a solid argument that Batman should kill his villains. BUT there are a thousand other heroes in DC comics that don't kill Batman's villains. Do Superman, Flash, WW, etc all just shrug their shoulders and say, "Not my problem." as the Joker kills thousands and thousands? If we're upset with Batman for not killing these people, you have to be upset with every major DC hero for not stepping in to do the damn deed. Unless you view this as an isolated world where Batman is the only hero. And in that case, look to the argument that Deathstroke made recently that Rob thought was a good argument. Batman forced all of the villains to step up their game because of how brutal and powerful he was compared to them. They had to become over the top to be able to compete with him. Well... wouldn't Batman killing his villains just be another escalation? Wouldn't him becoming more over the top and brutal just create more and more brutal opponents to face him? I dunno. The no killing rule just exists because it's comics and they usually don't want to get rid of characters that they can use later. Bats just gets a bad rap because he's one of the only characters that was given a lore reason for why he does it.
And yet Superman kills the Joker in Injustice and he ends up as the villain just for storys sake smh
Only AFTER Joker kills Lois Lane. He didn't kill Joker before when he was murdering helpless civilians. Oh no, Joker had to kill his girl before Supes would step up to the plate. And obviously, there are quite a few other stories where people kill the Joker. Point is, 95% of the time all the heroes of DC/Marvel collectively let each others villains live.
I love this. Harley is FINALLY NEVER GOING BACK!!
Will they ever make Tim Drake better he's never lost his damn Robin costume calling him Red Robin doesn't make him different
Lol, ikr?
His Red Robin suit before looked cool with the wings and the cardinal mask.
Since DC clearly doesn't know what to do with him, why can't DC make a community poll on the best name and costume for Tim Drake
@@ambervalkerie9134 Yeah I think the Red Robin suit with the cardinal mask or with the red wings were the best.
AYAN man I just want Damian Wayne back
BATJOKER LOOKS COOL AS HELL!
Rob actually believes that Batman killing Joker will save innocent people. What a joke. This is why guys like Rob should never write a Batman story because his answers for everything is to turn Batman into the Punisher or The Grim Knight. Predictable unimaginative and very typical of a Marvel guy.
The Joker just said in the story that Gotham true face is of chaos and that its been pretending to be something its not because of Batman.
Meaning that anybody is capable of becoming The Joker. You kill one Joker and another will replace him. It wouldn't matter if you kill him or not because people are always capable of destruction and chaos. People die and get killed everyday.
There is no such thing as complete order of safety without chaos. You take away chaos and life would be boring. You wouldn't need cops because life would be heaven were nothing bad ever happens. Thats not real life.
Batman and The Joker is very symbolic of real life. You can fight chaos everyday but you will never defeat it because it is apart of life.
Facts bro I completely agree here was my stance against what he was saying "Ig you don't get the whole Batman/Joker dynamic or the concept of The Batman who laughs if you really think Batman killing Joker is a good idea. Joker's whole ordeal is proving all it takes is one bad day to turn someone like him he wants Batman to kill him. Batman fears killing him because it'll send him down a slippery slope and at that point he'll basically be a villian. A Batman that kills poses serious ramifications for the DC universe. His contingency plans to stop the Justice League or any meta human on Earth would become full on kill orders instead nothing would hold him back and there is no greater embodiment of this than The Batman who Laughs."
I wasn't ready for that big of a cliff hanger!
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Wwwwooowww, that's insane towards the end with the Joker wearing the Batsuit and a reanimated Alfred zombie.
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10:04 when I read this part with Harley and Batman . It always make me think of what Batman tell joker in killing joke where both he and joker were running out of alternative on the ending of their battles
I'm in full agreement that at THIS POINT in Batman's History, he should at the very least kill the Joker.
Every single step has failed likely 100 times over. He can't fix the Joker. The System can't fix the Joker. Harley can't fix the Joker. At this point, nothing can.
And with all of these stories it never seems like Batman ever PREVENTS anything. Gone are the days of hostage situations and people tied to giant pennies. Once Batman chooses to get involved, people have already died. Sure things could be worse. But what is there to be said for the people who always die before Batman fixes the issue? All Batman is at this point (to me) is an enabler for his villains.
And what happens next. Batman kills Joker then what... at some pont you understand the battle is much bigger than the person.
@@mr.dccomics9018 Like any game of chess. You plan the game as far ahead as you can and play one turn at a time; change as the game does. But what batman has done with the Joker is the definition of insanity.
@@abarainosa no it is not because The Joker represents chaos. Yin and Yang, there is no one without the other. Ask yourself this question.
When has there ever been a time when somebody didn't die from wars, crimes, sickness, accidents etc. There has never been a time where people didn't do horrible stuff to one another. Meaning, you can never defeat the Joker even if you did kill him. He always returns.
There is no such thing as paradise on earth. Bad things happens and you have to prepare for it and fight it like Batman.
Rob!!! Please upload the next part. Like now my dude. Loving this series bro. That Jokerized bat suit is straight fire my dude.
The real question is why doesn't the State execute the Joker?
Gotham doesn't have the death penalty. They have to do a high federal level offense for it to even be possible. Like Joker Devil's advocate where Joker was framed for poisoning a bunch of people in a post office and that crime Mr. Freeze was accused of during Tom King's run.
Batman’s argument is that he wants to give his villains a chance to change and reform and in some cases it’s worked Harley clayface redhood poison ivy but I also believe that the joker is a rare acception even Batman’s more hardcore villains are afraid of the joker
Rob is such a moral relativist.. Batman can’t kill joker because then he might as well kill all the other villains.. we run into the injustice storyline.. you can’t pick and choose how evil someone has to be do deserve death. That’s why he puts it in the hands of the justice system. As weak as it is.. it is the collective justice of the people.. not of just one man. Batman is right not to kill the joker.. if he does. joker wins.
Exactly! It showcases that it's not a Justice System.
The reason Batman doesn't kill the joker is because in some sick sense, he needs him just as much as Joker needs Batman. They're both extremely sick people.
Joker: *makes his own Batsuit*
Batman: ......
Joker: What!?
Who Laughs: ......
Joker: NOT YOU TOO!! WHY THE SILENT TREATMENT!?
Batman: You steal my company.....know my identity and YOU STEAL MY TECH ONLY TO DRESS LIKE ME!?
Joker: Your point?
Who Laughs: Joker.....in my Universe you turned me INTO YOU yet I GAVE MYSELF AN ORIGINAL LOOK TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM BATMAN!
Joker: Again..... Your point!?
Batman: For the love of
Who Laughs: God
Greatest villian of all time there should be no debate. Hands down this man is in his own league.
9:50 does any other villian have a body count like the Joker??? Aside from like Mangog and other supernatural entities, does villians like Vulture, Rhino, even Dr.Doom have the body count and overall psychopathic like the Joker. I'm totally in the "Kill Joker Camp" but again I'm surprised the law still hasn't done so lol at this point it pretty much is up to Batman 😂 or Harley; Please snipe his brains out!!!!
Well the law has to follow the law lol, if the death penalty isnt a thing in gotham (and even if it is, would it be legal to do on an insane person) it's pretty difficult for them to do anything.
@@Koooo4 Valid point however the cops are not bound by magic to follow unjust laws. And if the law tells you to spare the life of a serial killer, so he can kill more people, in hopes that we can reach him 1 day, then the laws are unjust and need to be changed. Also as history taught "I was just following orders" is not an acceptable excuse.
Regardless unless redeeming 1 lost person is worth the 10-100 lives he takes every time you let him live, they should've been killed him
If Rob ran for President on the platform of "I'll make the purge a reality because let's be honest, we all deep down think it's a good idea" then I'd vote for him 👍🏻
You're right we all know it's not right but deep down most of us think it's good because atleast once in lyf we had grudges for someone and we get a chance we would really love to kill that person
I feel like the whole "no killing" rule comes from the old era of batman where most of the criminals in his comics were mostly quirky thieves that didn't really warrant killing. The no kill rule becomes more and more absurd as they introduce characters like professor pig and victor szasz who are both basically just serial killers. Joker probably didn't warrant killing in his first few appearances but his mythos over time just makes it more apparent that the rule is kind of dumb. I don't know if they can ever really eliminate the rule because it might make batman seem less like batman but I do think writers need to find a way to make him not seem insane because I swear he almost seems just as bad as the villains by letting this stuff go on. Maybe he needs like a 3 strikes rule or something lol.
gotta admit though, makes for interesting story ideas, the moral dilemma that is, only problem we've been having the same Joker argument in a time period we are supersaturated with the Joker, and the same thing is happening in the 3 Joker's storyline too, only with Jason and Babs
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I only read the first issue of Joker war but after watching this one, Man, is the duality humanity still a good talking point. Really like the run so far
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Is this story available in a collected version yet
No it's the current being released monthly Batman story.
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I'm waiting for the collection too, just love the art
I honestly can't stand stories like this
(but I do enjoy listening to Rob explain them lol)
they have the villain get away with so much evil it makes the hero of the story feel like just a victim. And when the hero finally stops him in the end it never feels like he won to me, its more like, to little to late.
If batman kills his villians he's just another serial killer in gotham city.
I see where you're coming from but would it not make him more of an anti-hero and not an actual full on villain. He's willing to kill his most extreme villains to keep the city/world safe from them.
I have to admit, the Joker's Batsuit looks amazing. I would wear that to a ComicCon in a heartbeat
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It bugs me that they’ve made nearly every building in the city on fire, and yet the Justice League is no where to be found. Not a single heavy hitter can help the city. It doesn’t make sense even from a comic book mentality.
Sunset Rider art mimics life especially today..
If one city being on fire was enough for the Justice League to roll out, they'd have to be in every single DC comic.
Your morality has some issues mate.
He quotes Hobbes, and he's pretty spot on. The whole "social contract" thing is from Hobbes' work, and it's inherently transactional.
Morality is subjective.
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As things get worse for The Bat, the better this story gets!!!!