That part about Neil Armstrong and certification: They were pioneers, working for a government agency that went crazy with safety, yet still prepared speeches in case they didn't make it back. Oceangate were morons in an industry that was already relatively well tread, and going all out to ignore any safety possible. They're not even comparable
All the original astronauts were military test pilots. They had input on the development of the capsules and were knowledgeable about orbital mechanics and the maintenance of the capsule's equipment. They weren't passengers.
Absolutely. OceanGate officially where 'oh these tourists are mission specialists' and 'all these missions are risky' but would nod and wink to the customers to say 'we had to officially say that but don't believe it' Also, the early days of NASA involved alot of totally new areas of aerospace exploration that included an unavoidable level of risk and uncertainty and the pilots went in with their eyes open to the risks. Stockton Rush and OceanGate where knowingly and willingly ignoring the industry knowledge around how to explore the deep whilst not doing the rigorous safety testing needed when you are trying something brand new to a field with existing knowledge around the safety risks involved. In short, Stockton Rush was a yahoo who bullheadedly ignored the many warnings people and organisations issued to him and the only silver lining is he was one of the ones the disaster happened too.
I heard Rush got hold of a recycling bin on NASA property and used some of the aluminum cans in building Titan. So technically NASA was involved in the construction.
@@michaelkehaOh please, the federal indictment ratio of Republicans to Democrats is literally 40:1. I don’t like politicians being bought but you don’t live in reality if you think Republicans aren’t worse.
@@michaelkeha Where is Moscow Marge, Marjorie Traitor Greene, getting her funds from? She's not a Dem. Neither is Trump, and we know he gets money from Putler.
I'm not excusing him but you have to remember that all the passengers did sign a waiver that said it was potentially dangerous and experimental and possibly life threatening etc. So Rush didn't force them to sign it and they knew the risks. I actually think PH Nargeolet went on Titan cause his wife passed not long before and he knew there was a good chance it would implode, so he would die next to his beloved Titanic.
I'm not excusing him at all, but every passenger signed a waiver saying that it was an experimental design and potentially life threatening etc. Rush didn't force anyone to sign it and get on board. I actually think PH Nargeolet did it because his wife had recently passed and he knew it had a chance of imploding, it would be instantaneous, and he could go next to his beloved Titanic.
Peak irony of Stockton despising safety regulation, and wanting it reduced, but all his career achieved was a massive blowout and stricter regulation in his beloved field lol.
The worst of it is Rush would have spent whatever to buy a congressman when all that money would have been better spent making a safe and certified sub.
@@HAmatelot sadly, it's not a common practice. We make the assumption that the vehicles we board are safe and certified. We don't check airplane certificates, train inspections, ferry boats when we want to go places on the water. We just don't think to check, partially because it's not easily accessible, we may not know all of the certifications it needs, etc. It's something the owner is supposed to do out of due diligence and Rush purposefully omitted those inspections because he knew they would fail.
The paying customers were fooliish enough to pay and go, even though they had to sign documents that explained how dangerous the expedition would be. I feel sorry for the families, and for the young man who apparently didn't really want to go, but the 4 adults in the sub were responsible for being there themselves.
@@TheWanderingFireI wish people would stop saying he didn’t want to go. His mother gave up her seat because he asked her too. The aunt that said that story wasn’t even talking with her brother because there was a family riff. I think the mother would know what her son wanted over a relative who had not spoken with him in a least a year. So a bit of research and you will find this is true.
The only good thing I could say about Rush, is that he seemed to genuinely think it was safe, as he was more then willing to go into it. Instead of risking only others for his short cuts.
Rush knew that if anything were to go wrong at that depth, his death would be instantaneous. He also knew that in that scenario he wouldn't be alive to face litigation (which is absolutely what would be happening if he were still here). For a man brave enough to climb into a carbon fiber submarine and take it to the depths of the ocean, Stockton Rush was a bit of a coward too.
Actually that was another tragedy. I think most people who had any knowledge of Rush's action would know he was an utter cowboy. Yet perhaps some thought well if he is willing to go down with his sub, then it can't be that bad. What they didn't realise is Rush was not just a rogue but was also mad.
We need to tighten whistleblower protection laws. It's long overdue. As technology continues to advance, we need people who will feel comfortable coming forward when laws are being broken OR when lives are on the line. Yes, OSHA shares some of the responsibility. The moment Lockridge sounded the alarm and made them aware of what was going on, that little sub should have been dry docked until an investigation was completed. Instead, Stockton was able to fire Lockridge and only via a lawsuit, was he able to receive compensation for his work. Had Rush not charged for his non-Disney rides, this would all have a very different feel and outcome, but he did. Furthermore, while the waivers these individuals signed made it clear that the sub wasn't classified and that death was a possibility, let's keep in mind that one of his victims was only 19 years old - not old enough, IMO, to sign a waiver of this nature. Yes, I know there are caveats to the above (voting, military, driving, drinking) that have a lower age threshold, but in THIS case I believe that if Rush were alive, and hadn't gone on the last fatal dive, he'd be facing prison time for a myriad of things. Not the least of which is misrepresenting NASA's and Boeing's involvement in the development of his little death trap.
The Titan was dropped from a Height causing the the Front Dome to Shear off, it was struck by Lightning then a Loud Bang was heard coming from the Hull and he just carried on regardless! The question has to be asked, what would have had to have happened for Rush to say 'Ok guys I think we need a new Hull'?
I am seriously shocked at OSHA’s participation in this tragedy. My 44 years of experience with OSHA in the steel industry is direct opposite. OSHA never cut us a break and even found obscure items to cite us for that we never knew about. I would never say they enabled us to take shortcuts that put anyone at risk.
I thought that about the weights they dropped, in the UK we can’t have plastic starters or q tips because of the damage to the water. But filthy rich people can just dump crap?
Stockton couldn't have done any of this without a willing team of participants that were there right tot the end They are just as culpable . . . and that no one could stop this happening is shameful
@@solarnaut yeah its almost certainly AI narrated. ive watched all of the videos on this channel so far and they all have really strange grammatical errors like this. these ai voices are eerily good and its very frustrating that someone can just write a script and have the whole thing voiced by what seems like a british man with a pleasant personality but in reality is probably some dude who copy pasted a news article about this and slapped it into an ai voice over app
Keeps "mission specialists" from taking too long a look! Ha ha The whole thing plunged like a dart after the power died. People were thrown forward, piling on top of each other. The shit-pot was right at that location, too! Nice.
The extreme rich want to live by their own set of rules. Regarding his cyber-truck, Elon Musk said “We didn't want mirrors. So in the beginning we weren't even designing mirrors, but we couldn't get the regulations changed." For these greedy narcissists, regulations are just obstacles to buy their way through selfishly disregarding the lives lost before those regulations were implemented and the thousands of lives that have been saved since then.
Do you think it’s the same thing? It’s not that Musk didn’t want mirrors at all, he wanted to replace them with a system of cameras and monitors. Now, find the differences with Rush.
@trolley4388 I think it is the same thing because Musk wanted to replace a reliable safety feature with one that is much less safe. His desire to make something his way despite the fact that it would put people at risk is just ego and greed. There is a reason why a number of countries do not allow the cycbertruck to be sold. This is the same attitude of Rush who, instead of following decades of proven specifications, decided he would just buy a politician to override the combined experience of experts.
Musk's arrogance and disregard to safety can be shown by the fact that he said he intentionally made the mirrors easy to come off - again saying 'fuck you' to the system established to ensure the safety of people on the roads.
The camera system has a wider field of view than mirrors, how would it be less safe? Also, in many countries, the Cybertruck isn’t allowed because it’s made of steel and has too sharp edges. Nothing to do with the mirrors. And if you’re thinking that the cameras can break, well, so can the mirrors.
I don't understand the mindset of being on a dive and getting data about the hull integrity. Seems like hull integrity is what you test before you put the submersible in the water.
Changes to regulation seem entirely unnecessary. He literally went to international waters to avoid regulation. He didn't seek approval or certification. This is a case of someone intentionally avoiding regulations and going well out of their way to do so in a dangerous environment.
The very fact that he COULD circumvent regulations is reason for the change. “The rules are written in blood” as they say. The point is to make it so companies are not enticed to go out and do whatever it takes for profit. It’s not there to give people ideas on how to stay safe, it’s to punish those who do not care enough about safety
@@mallk238 I guess my point is that international waters are unregulated and he paid the price for circumventing safety. Any changes beyond that would require regulations above the federal level. If he survived or someone else tries the same shit and survives, then that'd be different. Who knows if any waiver would stand up to scrutiny in court.
@@jeffreypatterson3160 I dunno why the deciding factor here would be if they survived or not. Historically speaking, rules and regulations don't get made until some terrible death occurs. Otherwise people in charge of that stuff go "Well you survived right? So it should be fine". I don't know what makes you believe action should only be taken if people survived the super dangerous thing...that's kinda counterintuitive
@@mallk238 @mallk238 because jailing or fining Stockton doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Further, what's an appropriate response. Let's say Stockton didn't go down with the sub, what should happen to him? He didn't *technically* break any laws by sailing out to international waters to do something stupid. As far as civil responses go, he had waivers, but I don't know how well they would hold up in court. In your opinion, what is an appropriate response? I'm assuming a regulation of some kind, but by whom and what do you think it should look like?
Renatte (sp?) Sounded almost as delusional as Stockton in her testimony & came across as a fan girl. She is correct saying the trip wasn't advertised as risk free but conveniently omits that a lot of what was said was fraudulent & literal lies. If you're being lied to you cannot give informed consent.
I don’t understand why NASA and Boeing didn’t take legal action at the time when Oceangate was clearly misrepresenting their involvement. If they had taken action immediately, this disaster may have been avoided.
the sad part is i cant find any other channels actually going into good detail about this case other than this one. very frustrating bc on one hand idont want to support this ai bullshit and on the other hand im very interested in this case
@@lynlynb7139 no the point is government is useless and rich people have the best way to run the peasant class. But I get it, you haven't figured out shooting kids in classrooms is bad yet.
Of course they can. They've had extremely sensitive hydrophones in the oceans around this country since the Cold War. No way a Soviet sub was getting anywhere near us without us knowing well in advance. I imagine they can hear a shrimp fart 5000 miles away.
The fact these people are trying to act dumb enough to not know that the worst case scenario would be an implosion, (as it would be in a sealed capsule under pressure) to say he felt a shudder as the communication was lost but shrugged it off is the dumbest thing I’ve heard, and then to of heard a sound similar to that of an implosion and not tell anyone is wild
13:11 The difference here is the space race and rocket science required risk and trained the astronauts to perform and expect the theoretical challenges of doing something no human has done before. It was all mathematical and according the the equations. It would work. OceanGate was trying to make money. They're not beating someone to the punch, there's no ocean depth race, and especially no ocean depth race with the intent to build submersibles that can be mass produced and carry passengers. The whole "mission specialist" thing was just legal documentation to weasel out of being sued for what their intent actually was. "Passengers." "Tourists." The aforementioned way to make money. I mean for god's sake, 250k a seat to be a specialist counting fish? Yeah right.
Don't spend money on the safety, just buy a congressman? That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Buy materials from Boeing, that Boeing had deemed unfit for their use. Rush was just a narcissist with really bad judgement.
@@nydeity9100 I guess. But the risk/reward ratio is not there if you just want money. This guy was an obsessed dick, and for what? Look at some rotting metal that's been explored enough.
Why does everyone call it a tragic loss any normal person would have seen that contraption and walked away. They should have known something was a miss when they read the disclaimer sighted before the failed dive. Not everyone wins the game of life unfortunately but dramatizing their deaths isn’t good either
At least Rush was on it when it failed given how reckless he was and terrible at Engineering. Fortunately, the people who perished knew what the risks were. If it were completely innocent civilians it would be a much more tragic and screwed up story. This clown had so many opportunities to be an adult and consult real experts
I thing theres a service provided to each politician to auction themselves to potential Masters. It's reportedly afree benefit avaliable to any in a voted or appointed government job. Kind of like health insurance for kickbacks and graft. No more need to slink around public places wearing huge 1960s sunglasses for consultations between The Master and their slave. Thank goodness im not bitter at how far the US has moved toward the Dark Side :(
Lesson for CEO's ignoring your engineers is suicide, sometimes litterally. Dunning Krueger effect embodied in one person. Arrogant, ignorant, and unable to wrong sure signs for failure.
People will say “but they paid to go on it” so if I got on a bus and the driver was a crazy person & crashed the bus and I died would anyone say “but she paid to go on it?” He’s a serial ki**er as you said, driven by his ego greed & narcissistic personality. Thank goodness it couldn’t hold more ‘mission specialists’ 🙄 just another ruse to get around rules & laws
What a lot of MAAN over a minor fatal incident. It's not a tragedy; there were but five people killed. People who were warned of (or should've reasonably known) the risks. It seems obvious that if it hadn't involved a few (idiotic) rich people, it would barely had made page 15 in "The Times". What a waste of money and time.
You don't understand how water transmits vibration vs how air transmits vibration, and you also don't understand exactly how much force is generated by an implosion at that depth. I recommend watching thunderf00ts recent video about it to learn more
400 atmospheres is a hell of a force. the pressure release at this depth is essentially like a bomb going off... and that would definitely cause pressure waves that could make the ship shudder. Physics tells us that it is very, very plausible that the vibrations would be felt up and down the water column. think about it. it's a 15 foot long by 8 foot in diameter tube of pressurized air (~3016 cuft), at roughly 398 bar (~5800PSI). that is an insane amount of explosive force. that's roughly 3 tons per square inch of force. you can't tell me that you'd not feel that from 2 miles away in the air? you definitely would feel something through the air from 2 miles away if an explosion like that happened.
@@AKStovall Even if the implosion wasn't that forceful, sound transmits drastically faster and further in water than in air. That's why you can hear every little noise you make when you're swimming, and why submarine sonar is so effective.
The ego of the 'compilation video creator' always makes him think he gets the viewers because of his narration or other adding. In reality he gets the viewers DESPITE of it. Just upload the freaking video compilation. Don't add text, replay or worse: Add narration.Jee.
That part about Neil Armstrong and certification:
They were pioneers, working for a government agency that went crazy with safety, yet still prepared speeches in case they didn't make it back.
Oceangate were morons in an industry that was already relatively well tread, and going all out to ignore any safety possible.
They're not even comparable
All the original astronauts were military test pilots. They had input on the development of the capsules and were knowledgeable about orbital mechanics and the maintenance of the capsule's equipment. They weren't passengers.
@@zarasbazaar yep, so it was also pretty much impossible to lie to them about the safety of things. They were fully involved
Absolutely. OceanGate officially where 'oh these tourists are mission specialists' and 'all these missions are risky' but would nod and wink to the customers to say 'we had to officially say that but don't believe it'
Also, the early days of NASA involved alot of totally new areas of aerospace exploration that included an unavoidable level of risk and uncertainty and the pilots went in with their eyes open to the risks.
Stockton Rush and OceanGate where knowingly and willingly ignoring the industry knowledge around how to explore the deep whilst not doing the rigorous safety testing needed when you are trying something brand new to a field with existing knowledge around the safety risks involved.
In short, Stockton Rush was a yahoo who bullheadedly ignored the many warnings people and organisations issued to him and the only silver lining is he was one of the ones the disaster happened too.
NASA employee: used a urinal next to Rush
Rush: So yea, we worked closely with NASA
Fk’n comment is gold. 😂😂😂
@@RedVoteRedemption
I was thinking that if anyone used the bucket on Titan,
that would have splattered over everyone.
I heard Rush got hold of a recycling bin on NASA property and used some of the aluminum cans in building Titan. So technically NASA was involved in the construction.
I don’t know if you can buy a congressman, but you can certainly rent most of them.
Given what most democrat congressman have done no I can certainly say you can buy em you just have to be a megacorp that he can golden parachute into
@@michaelkehaOh please, the federal indictment ratio of Republicans to Democrats is literally 40:1. I don’t like politicians being bought but you don’t live in reality if you think Republicans aren’t worse.
For sale; lease; or rent . . . Favorable terms on rubles exchanged
Republicans have certainly been bought by Putin. A bunch of them went to Russia on July 4th to get their new orders on how to finish America off.
@@michaelkeha Where is Moscow Marge, Marjorie Traitor Greene, getting her funds from? She's not a Dem. Neither is Trump, and we know he gets money from Putler.
I don’t think Boeing is that “prestigious “ these days.
Don’t blame Boeing blame them assholes that took over management of the company!
If Rush was alive imagine the backlash he would be getting.
He'd still try and bs his way out of it.
Rich people don’t have consequences.
They do if they kill people even richer than them @@garythecyclingnerd6219
A lot of backlash
@@ElectricSmurf
Absolutely 💯.
I can hear his smarmy voice rolling out the BS.
Good Riddance to Stockton, it sucks he brought 4 others with him. He's essentially a murderer.
In the USA, more than 3 victims is considered mass murder. Rush is responsible for 4 deaths.
@@Vaughnage25
The family name he was so proud of will have a smear on it.... his.
I'm not excusing him but you have to remember that all the passengers did sign a waiver that said it was potentially dangerous and experimental and possibly life threatening etc. So Rush didn't force them to sign it and they knew the risks. I actually think PH Nargeolet went on Titan cause his wife passed not long before and he knew there was a good chance it would implode, so he would die next to his beloved Titanic.
I'm not excusing him at all, but every passenger signed a waiver saying that it was an experimental design and potentially life threatening etc. Rush didn't force anyone to sign it and get on board. I actually think PH Nargeolet did it because his wife had recently passed and he knew it had a chance of imploding, it would be instantaneous, and he could go next to his beloved Titanic.
@JGD185 one word: NEGLIGENCE
Peak irony of Stockton despising safety regulation, and wanting it reduced, but all his career achieved was a massive blowout and stricter regulation in his beloved field lol.
And the family name in tatters.
@@melodymacken9788 Personally I always hated that shit. People judging everyone in a family based on what someone has done. Its stupid.
"Just buy a Congressman" = "Lobbying"
The worst of it is Rush would have spent whatever to buy a congressman when all that money would have been better spent making a safe and certified sub.
Having a paid passanger vehicle is WAY different than professionals taking the educated risk to explore space. These things are not the same.
true, and the "passengers" should have ensured that the vessel was certified by a competent authority as safe for the intended voyage.
@@HAmatelot sadly, it's not a common practice. We make the assumption that the vehicles we board are safe and certified. We don't check airplane certificates, train inspections, ferry boats when we want to go places on the water. We just don't think to check, partially because it's not easily accessible, we may not know all of the certifications it needs, etc. It's something the owner is supposed to do out of due diligence and Rush purposefully omitted those inspections because he knew they would fail.
@@Phoenix-jw1mn True but we are using known companies, many covered by government regulations which we believe are trustworthy.
I think it’s absolutely clear that rush committed criminal fraud and criminal negligence on the death of 4 people
his gross negligence and disregard for regulations and safety could also be classified as 4 counts of 2nd degree murder.
@@AKStovall even better. And any employees at the management level aware of all this (his wife) should be prosecuted as an accessory
I was really hoping his wife would be called to be questioned.
I thought the same.
I read that she lawyered up and she's been told to zip it.
What a creep. He is welcome to risk his own life to "explore," but had no right to take paying customers recreationally.
The paying customers were fooliish enough to pay and go, even though they had to sign documents that explained how dangerous the expedition would be. I feel sorry for the families, and for the young man who apparently didn't really want to go, but the 4 adults in the sub were responsible for being there themselves.
@@TheWanderingFireI wish people would stop saying he didn’t want to go. His mother gave up her seat because he asked her too. The aunt that said that story wasn’t even talking with her brother because there was a family riff. I think the mother would know what her son wanted over a relative who had not spoken with him in a least a year. So a bit of research and you will find this is true.
Lobbying should be completely illegal and explicitly outlawed and watched by the FBI.
This is just the best proof that you will ever need.
The only good thing I could say about Rush, is that he seemed to genuinely think it was safe, as he was more then willing to go into it. Instead of risking only others for his short cuts.
Rush knew that if anything were to go wrong at that depth, his death would be instantaneous. He also knew that in that scenario he wouldn't be alive to face litigation (which is absolutely what would be happening if he were still here).
For a man brave enough to climb into a carbon fiber submarine and take it to the depths of the ocean, Stockton Rush was a bit of a coward too.
Actually that was another tragedy. I think most people who had any knowledge of Rush's action would know he was an utter cowboy. Yet perhaps some thought well if he is willing to go down with his sub, then it can't be that bad. What they didn't realise is Rush was not just a rogue but was also mad.
We need to tighten whistleblower protection laws. It's long overdue. As technology continues to advance, we need people who will feel comfortable coming forward when laws are being broken OR when lives are on the line. Yes, OSHA shares some of the responsibility. The moment Lockridge sounded the alarm and made them aware of what was going on, that little sub should have been dry docked until an investigation was completed.
Instead, Stockton was able to fire Lockridge and only via a lawsuit, was he able to receive compensation for his work.
Had Rush not charged for his non-Disney rides, this would all have a very different feel and outcome, but he did. Furthermore, while the waivers these individuals signed made it clear that the sub wasn't classified and that death was a possibility, let's keep in mind that one of his victims was only 19 years old - not old enough, IMO, to sign a waiver of this nature.
Yes, I know there are caveats to the above (voting, military, driving, drinking) that have a lower age threshold, but in THIS case I believe that if Rush were alive, and hadn't gone on the last fatal dive, he'd be facing prison time for a myriad of things. Not the least of which is misrepresenting NASA's and Boeing's involvement in the development of his little death trap.
OSHA needs to be investigated and sued for their negligence alongside Oceangate.
The Titan was dropped from a Height causing the the Front Dome to Shear off, it was struck by Lightning then a Loud Bang was heard coming from the Hull and he just carried on regardless!
The question has to be asked, what would have had to have happened for Rush to say 'Ok guys I think we need a new Hull'?
I wonder this too. I think he would wait until it would be completely unable to dive. His ego convinced he was invincible.
imagine thinking going 3km down to visit a destroyed old ship is anything akin to flying to the moon. these people really were /are deluded
I am seriously shocked at OSHA’s participation in this tragedy. My 44 years of experience with OSHA in the steel industry is direct opposite. OSHA never cut us a break and even found obscure items to cite us for that we never knew about. I would never say they enabled us to take shortcuts that put anyone at risk.
Rush should be charged with littering the ocean.
I thought that about the weights they dropped, in the UK we can’t have plastic starters or q tips because of the damage to the water. But filthy rich people can just dump crap?
How he is gone, his wife should be charged she was involved aswell
He feed the fish too
@@RedVoteRedemption lol with his own flesh
that one fish swimming around the wreck site seemed pretty happy and well fed lol yes I'm going to hell
Stockton couldn't have done any of this without a willing team of participants that were there right tot the end
They are just as culpable . . . and that no one could stop this happening is shameful
Thanks dude, this has been the most factual and uninflated titan vid i have seen. Great job
Is it A.I. narrated? @ 2:17 he refers to "twenty thousand twenty" when meaning "two thousand twenty" (?O_O?)
@@solarnaut yeah its almost certainly AI narrated. ive watched all of the videos on this channel so far and they all have really strange grammatical errors like this. these ai voices are eerily good and its very frustrating that someone can just write a script and have the whole thing voiced by what seems like a british man with a pleasant personality but in reality is probably some dude who copy pasted a news article about this and slapped it into an ai voice over app
@solarnaut even with AI voice over it is still better than watching most of the oceangate stuff
Now we need to research what congressman had an unusual interest in this. The plot thickens.
Is it just me, or is Rush looking more and more like Father Ted every day?
Lol so true! If only Rush would have stuck with gambling money like Ted, instead of gambling with other people's lives.
He should have hired a competent group of submersible designers, FIRST! And gone by their advice, SECOND.
Impossible because he knew everything about submersibles... he rode on his ego and arrogance.
Ocean gate quest only managed to build a Burner submersible and Rush was too stupid to admit it
when you are so cheap that you keep using the grocerstore bags even those the holes are dropping your oranges.
crazy dude could feel the ship shudder from the surface when it happened....equivalent to a hiroshima 2.5 miles down....
Honestly the Captains claim of feeling a shudder doesn't pass the Smell test.
In other words he is full of crap .
The loo was directly underneath the viewport. Great design capabilities at work there. As for everything else? 🤯
Keeps "mission specialists" from taking too long a look! Ha ha
The whole thing plunged like a dart after the power died. People were thrown forward, piling on top of each other. The shit-pot was right at that location, too!
Nice.
Sounds like a pretty crappy view.
Definitely grounds for lawsuit….
What a fraud and a criminal.
I do understand how other people describe him as “intelligent”
So, the enquiry talked to everyone who WASN'T actually involved in the planning and operation of the fatal dive, and not one person who was. Odd.
prob scattered like nazi's in April 1945.
The people involved in the dive will get sued. So they are not talking.
From Titan to Tampex.
Stockton Crush was here!
12:56 - Renata Rojas was a family friend of Stockton Rush's, so her testimony is dubious at best.
The extreme rich want to live by their own set of rules. Regarding his cyber-truck, Elon Musk said “We didn't want mirrors. So in the beginning we weren't even designing mirrors, but we couldn't get the regulations changed." For these greedy narcissists, regulations are just obstacles to buy their way through selfishly disregarding the lives lost before those regulations were implemented and the thousands of lives that have been saved since then.
Do you think it’s the same thing? It’s not that Musk didn’t want mirrors at all, he wanted to replace them with a system of cameras and monitors. Now, find the differences with Rush.
@trolley4388 I think it is the same thing because Musk wanted to replace a reliable safety feature with one that is much less safe. His desire to make something his way despite the fact that it would put people at risk is just ego and greed. There is a reason why a number of countries do not allow the cycbertruck to be sold. This is the same attitude of Rush who, instead of following decades of proven specifications, decided he would just buy a politician to override the combined experience of experts.
Musk's arrogance and disregard to safety can be shown by the fact that he said he intentionally made the mirrors easy to come off - again saying 'fuck you' to the system established to ensure the safety of people on the roads.
The camera system has a wider field of view than mirrors, how would it be less safe? Also, in many countries, the Cybertruck isn’t allowed because it’s made of steel and has too sharp edges. Nothing to do with the mirrors. And if you’re thinking that the cameras can break, well, so can the mirrors.
@@trolley4388cameras run on Electricity. Mirrors are analog.
This vid crushed it !
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I don't understand the mindset of being on a dive and getting data about the hull integrity. Seems like hull integrity is what you test before you put the submersible in the water.
Not according to Rushes ego and know-it-all bs.
This is implosive testimony.
Stockton "Loophole" Rush
That poor young lad.
Changes to regulation seem entirely unnecessary. He literally went to international waters to avoid regulation. He didn't seek approval or certification. This is a case of someone intentionally avoiding regulations and going well out of their way to do so in a dangerous environment.
The very fact that he COULD circumvent regulations is reason for the change. “The rules are written in blood” as they say. The point is to make it so companies are not enticed to go out and do whatever it takes for profit. It’s not there to give people ideas on how to stay safe, it’s to punish those who do not care enough about safety
@@mallk238 I guess my point is that international waters are unregulated and he paid the price for circumventing safety. Any changes beyond that would require regulations above the federal level. If he survived or someone else tries the same shit and survives, then that'd be different. Who knows if any waiver would stand up to scrutiny in court.
Rojas is delusional.
@@jeffreypatterson3160 I dunno why the deciding factor here would be if they survived or not. Historically speaking, rules and regulations don't get made until some terrible death occurs. Otherwise people in charge of that stuff go "Well you survived right? So it should be fine". I don't know what makes you believe action should only be taken if people survived the super dangerous thing...that's kinda counterintuitive
@@mallk238 @mallk238 because jailing or fining Stockton doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Further, what's an appropriate response. Let's say Stockton didn't go down with the sub, what should happen to him? He didn't *technically* break any laws by sailing out to international waters to do something stupid. As far as civil responses go, he had waivers, but I don't know how well they would hold up in court. In your opinion, what is an appropriate response? I'm assuming a regulation of some kind, but by whom and what do you think it should look like?
these AI voices are scarily good these days. its almost completely unnoticeable that its an AI voice.
"Operatiuuuuuuuns"
2020 read as 'twenty thousand twenty'. How does it even mess that up?
I was assuming it was a guy...
What they were doing was clearly dangerous, foolish even. I'm surprised it got as far as it did..
What exploration are you guys always rambling about? What did those guys explore? It was a touristic company, period.
the "exploration" was just a ruse to make it sound cooler than it was... 5 ultra-rich idiots going down in a carbon shelled bomb.
Oh wow! Of course though I mean look how this whole thing went up until the imploding and afterwards.
Renatte (sp?) Sounded almost as delusional as Stockton in her testimony & came across as a fan girl.
She is correct saying the trip wasn't advertised as risk free but conveniently omits that a lot of what was said was fraudulent & literal lies.
If you're being lied to you cannot give informed consent.
The BOD , CEO, COO , CFO and any other officer should be held criminally accountable for murder and fraud, and possibly embezzlement
I don’t understand why NASA and Boeing didn’t take legal action at the time when Oceangate was clearly misrepresenting their involvement. If they had taken action immediately, this disaster may have been avoided.
Props to Bob Ballard and James Cameron who told it like it was.
When it comes down to it, you cant RUSH these things...
Oh yes, OSHA shares responsibility for the disaster and needs to face the music.
4:44 AntipaDEZ-NUTZ! (Sorry I couldn't resist)
almost didnt notice its an AI voice. O well, channel ignored.
the sad part is i cant find any other channels actually going into good detail about this case other than this one. very frustrating bc on one hand idont want to support this ai bullshit and on the other hand im very interested in this case
It shows you how easy it is if he took buying a Congressman for granted!
OSHA dropped the ball but what do you expect from a government agency
Yeah it's way better to let businesses do what they want.
How many mass shootings does your nation have every dat
@@julesmasseffectmusic that's missing the point mate...
@@lynlynb7139 no the point is government is useless and rich people have the best way to run the peasant class. But I get it, you haven't figured out shooting kids in classrooms is bad yet.
OSHIT
Boeing will be the last company I’ll asked to join the project.
Did OceanGate ever try and get consulting done by an actual sub designer like Electric Boat? (Who probably would have laughed at him anyway).
No surprise to me that everyone is throwing Stockton under the bus, not like he can defend himself now.
Felt the Polar Prince shutter. B.S. that far below the surface there wouldn't have been anything to feel.
I do think OSHA have a lot of questions to answer.
@Disaster Strike 1:06 The US Navy detected the Implosion noise two and a half hours after the Titan went missing!
It still shocks me that the navy can hear a small submersible implode in the vast Atlantic ocean
Of course they can. They've had extremely sensitive hydrophones in the oceans around this country since the Cold War. No way a Soviet sub was getting anywhere near us without us knowing well in advance. I imagine they can hear a shrimp fart 5000 miles away.
Also sound travels much much farther in water vs air.
The fact these people are trying to act dumb enough to not know that the worst case scenario would be an implosion, (as it would be in a sealed capsule under pressure) to say he felt a shudder as the communication was lost but shrugged it off is the dumbest thing I’ve heard, and then to of heard a sound similar to that of an implosion and not tell anyone is wild
Invest into safety? Nah, buy a congressman and the problems will go away.
For the record: the laws of physics did not go away...
I wonder if Rush was named Creep it would have helped slow him down and focus on other issues
Darwin always wins.
What's with the AI generated videos lately? The quality is horrible.
Isn't it weird what one channel just calls a comment another channel will make an entire post and spend a whole hour talking about it
13:11
The difference here is the space race and rocket science required risk and trained the astronauts to perform and expect the theoretical challenges of doing something no human has done before. It was all mathematical and according the the equations. It would work. OceanGate was trying to make money. They're not beating someone to the punch, there's no ocean depth race, and especially no ocean depth race with the intent to build submersibles that can be mass produced and carry passengers. The whole "mission specialist" thing was just legal documentation to weasel out of being sued for what their intent actually was. "Passengers." "Tourists." The aforementioned way to make money. I mean for god's sake, 250k a seat to be a specialist counting fish? Yeah right.
Don't spend money on the safety, just buy a congressman? That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Buy materials from Boeing, that Boeing had deemed unfit for their use. Rush was just a narcissist with really bad judgement.
What gets me is the lengths this guy would go to for something so dumb.
darwin awards are highly competitive
Money was the motive.
@@nydeity9100 I guess. But the risk/reward ratio is not there if you just want money. This guy was an obsessed dick, and for what? Look at some rotting metal that's been explored enough.
Dollars to doughnuts it would have been the congressman from the 9th district.
Why does everyone call it a tragic loss any normal person would have seen that contraption and walked away. They should have known something was a miss when they read the disclaimer sighted before the failed dive. Not everyone wins the game of life unfortunately but dramatizing their deaths isn’t good either
At least Rush was on it when it failed given how reckless he was and terrible at Engineering. Fortunately, the people who perished knew what the risks were. If it were completely innocent civilians it would be a much more tragic and screwed up story. This clown had so many opportunities to be an adult and consult real experts
I made Titan Submersible a map on Garrys MOD
I thing theres a service provided to each politician to auction themselves to potential Masters. It's reportedly afree benefit avaliable to any in a voted or appointed government job. Kind of like health insurance for kickbacks and graft. No more need to slink around public places wearing huge 1960s sunglasses for consultations between The Master and their slave. Thank goodness im not bitter at how far the US has moved toward the Dark Side :(
Lesson for CEO's ignoring your engineers is suicide, sometimes litterally.
Dunning Krueger effect embodied in one person. Arrogant, ignorant, and unable to wrong sure signs for failure.
2:17 20,020?
It's an AI generated video, that's why.
"I will make it legal."
rush is a evil serial murderer, his family needs to pay for his crime
I agree 👏🏼
His wife should be charged she was involved
People will say “but they paid to go on it” so if I got on a bus and the driver was a crazy person & crashed the bus and I died would anyone say “but she paid to go on it?”
He’s a serial ki**er as you said, driven by his ego greed & narcissistic personality. Thank goodness it couldn’t hold more ‘mission specialists’ 🙄 just another ruse to get around rules & laws
What a lot of MAAN over a minor fatal incident. It's not a tragedy; there were but five people killed. People who were warned of (or should've reasonably known) the risks. It seems obvious that if it hadn't involved a few (idiotic) rich people, it would barely had made page 15 in "The Times".
What a waste of money and time.
too bad you couldn't buy some new laws of physics Rush....
This is just a rehash of already rehashed 'information'. Borrowed shall we say.
"Buy a congressman."
Typical capitalist, everything begins and ends with money. That mindset is what lead to Rush's demise and I am all for it!
There is no way the Polar prince capain felt shutter from an implosion 2 miles down in the ocean .
Its like like feeling a fart from Antarctica .
You don't understand how water transmits vibration vs how air transmits vibration, and you also don't understand exactly how much force is generated by an implosion at that depth. I recommend watching thunderf00ts recent video about it to learn more
400 atmospheres is a hell of a force. the pressure release at this depth is essentially like a bomb going off... and that would definitely cause pressure waves that could make the ship shudder.
Physics tells us that it is very, very plausible that the vibrations would be felt up and down the water column. think about it. it's a 15 foot long by 8 foot in diameter tube of pressurized air (~3016 cuft), at roughly 398 bar (~5800PSI). that is an insane amount of explosive force. that's roughly 3 tons per square inch of force. you can't tell me that you'd not feel that from 2 miles away in the air? you definitely would feel something through the air from 2 miles away if an explosion like that happened.
@@AKStovall Even if the implosion wasn't that forceful, sound transmits drastically faster and further in water than in air. That's why you can hear every little noise you make when you're swimming, and why submarine sonar is so effective.
What are the super rich going to throw their money at now?
The Giveaway or selling Your 3D Printed Submersible is in really bad taste. No class at all!
The ego of the 'compilation video creator' always makes him think he gets the viewers because of his narration or other adding. In reality he gets the viewers DESPITE of it. Just upload the freaking video compilation. Don't add text, replay or worse: Add narration.Jee.
Must have learned from the Russians 🤣
they need to build a statue of stockton rush what a incredible man
It's not a tragedy, it's a hilarious story about rich arseholes 😂😂😂