The show doesn't even respect its own canon. Season 1 the orcs can't stay in the sunlight, season 2 they can siege Eregion for days and fight in full daylight with no issue. Sauron's powers change from an episode to an other, in one episode he can mind control 4 elves and use the force like a Sith Lord, the next episode he can only fight with a sword and can't even catch a falling Galadriel, wtf ? Season 1 the elves are at the height of their power with a global military presence throughout Middle Earth, season 2 it's just 2 cities and the orcs can cross half the continent without being spotted...
@@dramaticwords didn't the showrunners themselves even basically say something along the lines of "we don't care about canon?" I feel like that was a thing..
@@cetchathach4206 It's certainly common these days for Hollywood writers to care little for continuity, even their show's internal continuity. They'll happily contradict themselves for the sake of a cool visual.
It's like someone quietly offered them some free real estate, which they could have built a castle on and made insane profits. But instead they turned it into a garage heap.
Little Platoon had a great video reading some quotes from Tolkien's remarks ona screenplay that was never made. He was quite adamant about not making up new stuff, but realized a lot had to be cut. And he recommended changes that would closer to his story that would not take more time.
I have a theory that when Amazon states "# of views and engages" they are including any comment or meme made in reference to The Rings of Power series, even if they are negative.
If you knew absolutely nothing of Peter Jackson or Tolkien this show would still be severely incompetent, boring, poorly, written, and mismanaged. It was a terrible terrible show.
I got the feeling when MTG made Aragorn a Ranger of color, that the Tolkien estate was interested in money more than anything. I'd love to see them go after Amazon legally, for the desecration they've committed. But that would require one of the heirs to give a crap.
They remind me of Dan and Dave of GoT from season 5 and beyond. They thought they were better story tellers that GRRM and put their own stamp on it. Made them the biggest failures in TV.
In some cases I would not even say the ideas are "workshopped." Tolkien created fantasy by NOT answering every question. He left things open, unknown. He let the reader's imagination do some of the work. He sometimes answered questions with "I don't know, I suppose they would." That was the skill of his writing. Tolkien could, in just a sentence or two, create a mental image of an entire backstory fleshed out in general detail. MOST IMPORTANTLY!, fans of his work overwhelmingly agree on the images that appeared in all our minds collectively when we read his writing. We all, or nearly all, got the same ideas. It was deliberate.
“Jesse, I need a street name to be a meth overlord, I can’t go around using my real name. Do you have any ideas?” “Yo, Mr. White, not now, I’m trying to call in an order to this Asian fusion hamburger joint… Hi, Zen Burgers?” “Hi Zen Burgers… Hi-Zen-Burger… Heisenberg!!!”
The core team involved are too arrogant to fix it and even if they weren't arrogant, they are too talentless to make amends and given how deep a hole this whole show is in due to the bizarre time and sequencing (and distance, and common sense etc etc) decisions they made from the beginning. The only hope we have is someone who is close to Bezos and gives a shit about LoTR and Tolkien's work tells him what an utter travesty this shitshow is and he sacks everyone involved AND if he still wants a series based on the material they bought, they go and hire capable people who care to develop it. This particular turkey is too far gone to be fixed. You could bring in Jackson, Nolan, Villeneuve....anyone, I think it's beyond redemption now.
Rings of Poop is an abomination. It is not and never will be part of Tolkien's stories. Furthermore, it caused me to despise Amazon and start shopping at other retailers.
Take the two versions of the blue wizards. The first one with a third age arrival along with the other Istari and the later version with a second age arrival. They are both canon to me. Similarly all four gospels are obviously canon even though they contradict each others at points. We also have two creation stories in Genesis. All canon. The purpose was probably to muddy the waters. Well, if there are two versions of the blue wizards, why cannot Amazon make up anything they want? sort of thing. Answer is, of course that is not what any of that means. However, they could as far as I am concerned choose between the two versions of canon here, and for the show adding second age blue wizards would have been a logical choice if they had some sense and some respect for the lore. But, alas - They have neither sense nor respect.
As far as the Blue Wizards go, the first mention of them, with them coming to Middle Earth in the Third Age, is clearly from a time when Tolkien was still in the process of fleshing their story out. The passages from Unfinished Tales, or his letters (eg 211) all have phrases like "I think they", or "I fear they", or even more explicitly " _I really do not know anything clearly about the other two_ " The later mentions of them coming in the Second Age, from 'Last Writings' in 'The Peoples of Middle-earth', (written much later) has Tolkien talking much more authoritatively about them. I'm not going to even try to fit what Tolkien wrote to what Amazon's crappy anti-fan fiction has done to them, except to point out _if_ the Dark Wizard turns out to be Saruman, it makes Gandalf's actions within Lord of the Rings where he totally trusts Saruman as the head of his order, totally idiotic.
@@terrystewart1973 They could even combine both versions and have one good blue and one evil blue to get their saruman/gandalf dynamic. Would be ok to me I suppose.
They gave me a free month trial so I binge watched it. It was worth everything I paid for it. That is 16 hours of my life that I will not get back. I am going to reread the books to cleanse my brain and if they make another season I will visit the grave of Tolkien and turn him back over.
It doesn't matter, Amazon can't fight the most powerful force in entertainment!! Apathy. None of my friends gaf about Rings of Power, not even the one who introduced me to it. I only watched one whole episode of season 2, a few bits, and part of the last episode while doomscrolling. I'm not even interested enough to trash it anymore. Nor is anyone else i know, so here's my last post about RoP. muah
I guess all this "professors" and defenders of ROP want to create controversy just to keep this parody of a show relevant . Which it is not and never will be.
Pseudo-artists do and say provocative things to gain publicity. It's not exactly new, from the painter who painted a pipe and added the words "this is not a pipe" (obviously, it was a painting) to punk rock or Game Of Thrones showrunners talking junk on purpose. Those who publicly comment on it just feed that fire.
I'm sorry but Rene Magritte was a super-talented realistic painter and quite witty, and he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as either Dumb 'n Dumber or the dumpster fire that is GoT.
If this is gaslighting, it is failing... This show is bad. And we know it And we also know that this does horrible things to the Lore. THIS is not based upon TOLKIEN. This is more antifan fiction using locations and characters...badly.
This is yet another in a series of daily ridiculous and hypocritical videos by Negative Nancy. The show is not 'gaslighting' anyone; rather, the haters like this are gaslighting viewers by deliberately distorting everything they read about the show. She says that she "is tired of" the writers "cherry picking" things from various parts of JRR Tolkien's work, and with no evidence, claims that they do this to "drum up attention". If anyone wishes to judge to what degree the show follows the lore, then read the three paragraphs concerning the Second Age in Appendix B of The Return of the King, and the Chapter "Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age" in The Silmarillion. Her hypocrisy regarding cherry picking can be seen in the relentless description of the show as "failing" based on deceptive cherry picking of inappropriate metrics such as Samba TV (check out the strong viewership numbers from Nielsen and the fact that almost two weeks after the finale it is still Amazon's #1). Nancy, if you don't like it, then just don't watch it, yeah? But then, you'd miss out on those clicks, the real (gaslighting) reason for these cringeworthy videos.
Can we talk about your gaslighting? After the season 1-2 drop of 60+%, Nielsen said the ratings dropped across season 2 by another 20+%. Now let's talk about the canonicity of the origin of Gandalf's name, or the Harfoots being a Hobbit SPLIT not a "proto-Hobbit". Now forget the canon and let's talk surviving high falls or riding six days hard with wounds needing treatment. Or a smith who needs to be taught about alloys or storing an anvil in the ceiling. Go back to your Amazon lord, miserable monster.
Amazon buys certain parts of the lore,have "the lord of the rings" in the title and you don't think they are not gaslighting fans???I'f the show was any good the ratings would show otherwise.the show gets bashed because of the terrible writing,terrible acting,terrible set designs,inconsistent with the story telling and butchering of the lore.i mean who is this show made for lol?
Really? Giving Gandalf's speech to Frodo in the 3rd age to Tom Bomadillo in RoP isn't cherry picking from LotR? What about the barrow wights? Which are not created until the 3rd age. Or Gandalf being in the show at all. Or the hobbits. Durin's bane?? None of that is cherry picking for it's recognition? Tolkien was pretty concerned with distance and travel time, RoP is not. Elrond saying 'oh it's 150 leagues to Eregion (517miles) doesn't fix anything. Just makes it worse, because now Elrond travels like 1500 miles between episodes 4-7 (I think it was 4-7 anyways). Yes I know you are either a troll or Amazon shill so this discussion is pointless, but I'm bored.
Let's talk about the dishonesty of cherrypicking network statistics. On top of the 63% drop in viewers from season 1 to season 2, let's talk about NIELSEN'S detected 20+% drop in ratings from beginning to end of season 2. Let's talk about teaching a smith to alloy, storing an anvil in the ceiling, cutting a thumb instead of chains, surviving falls from heights, fast travel. Go back to your hole, Amazon creature.
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The show doesn't even respect its own canon. Season 1 the orcs can't stay in the sunlight, season 2 they can siege Eregion for days and fight in full daylight with no issue. Sauron's powers change from an episode to an other, in one episode he can mind control 4 elves and use the force like a Sith Lord, the next episode he can only fight with a sword and can't even catch a falling Galadriel, wtf ? Season 1 the elves are at the height of their power with a global military presence throughout Middle Earth, season 2 it's just 2 cities and the orcs can cross half the continent without being spotted...
Ah, maybe what they meant to say is that "Rings of Power has no canon."
@@dramaticwords didn't the showrunners themselves even basically say something along the lines of "we don't care about canon?" I feel like that was a thing..
@@cetchathach4206 It's certainly common these days for Hollywood writers to care little for continuity, even their show's internal continuity. They'll happily contradict themselves for the sake of a cool visual.
@@dramaticwords they care more about showing off their flashy effects and big budget than they do about decent story and character writing. It's sad
Soulless, corporate trash. That's ROP.
It's like someone quietly offered them some free real estate, which they could have built a castle on and made insane profits. But instead they turned it into a garage heap.
And from what I've heard, Jim Booney is none too pleased with the situation either.
They prioritize shaping audience response over crafting a truly exceptional show.
Pay the Amazon employees at the packaging department or delivery drivers instead!!
The fact that they released the first season on Tolkien’s death day proves it. They disdain his legacy.
'Rings of Cringe' is 'Scary Movie' but as a TV serial and located in Middle-earth.
Except “Scary Movie” was an intentional parody and successful comedy. This thing is a total failure.
I can only think that the so-called "Tolkien scholar" was paid a hefty fee for his comments.
30 silver pieces
Professor, not scholar 😂
@Power_Prawnstar I would like to see his qualifications because he doesn't seem to be knowledgeable about Tolkien lore or his views 🤔
Probably not even all that hefty
He's some sort of consultant for Amazon so he's definitely getting paid.
If I ever buy a major franchise, I'm adding Elaine to the Supreme Council of Cannon to review everything.
Agreed!
Rings of Power is not Lord of the Rings! If you take "The Lord of the Rings" title from this show It would not be recognized as Tolkien in any way.
Little Platoon had a great video reading some quotes from Tolkien's remarks ona screenplay that was never made.
He was quite adamant about not making up new stuff, but realized a lot had to be cut. And he recommended changes that would closer to his story that would not take more time.
I have a theory that when Amazon states "# of views and engages" they are including any comment or meme made in reference to The Rings of Power series, even if they are negative.
If you knew absolutely nothing of Peter Jackson or Tolkien this show would still be severely incompetent, boring, poorly, written, and mismanaged. It was a terrible terrible show.
I got the feeling when MTG made Aragorn a Ranger of color, that the Tolkien estate was interested in money more than anything. I'd love to see them go after Amazon legally, for the desecration they've committed. But that would require one of the heirs to give a crap.
They remind me of Dan and Dave of GoT from season 5 and beyond. They thought they were better story tellers that GRRM and put their own stamp on it. Made them the biggest failures in TV.
In some cases I would not even say the ideas are "workshopped." Tolkien created fantasy by NOT answering every question. He left things open, unknown. He let the reader's imagination do some of the work. He sometimes answered questions with "I don't know, I suppose they would." That was the skill of his writing. Tolkien could, in just a sentence or two, create a mental image of an entire backstory fleshed out in general detail. MOST IMPORTANTLY!, fans of his work overwhelmingly agree on the images that appeared in all our minds collectively when we read his writing. We all, or nearly all, got the same ideas. It was deliberate.
“Jesse, I need a street name to be a meth overlord, I can’t go around using my real name. Do you have any ideas?”
“Yo, Mr. White, not now, I’m trying to call in an order to this Asian fusion hamburger joint… Hi, Zen Burgers?”
“Hi Zen Burgers… Hi-Zen-Burger… Heisenberg!!!”
😂
Canon means a big gun
Patrick McKay, probably.
Except ROP is not even following the timeline they had rights to adapt….
they are producing Soap operas
Hay, now that not fair to soap opera's even they aren't this level of trash
Sadly Soap Operas are more entertaining and make more sense.
RoP wishes it was as fun and beloved as ''Maria del Barrio''.
The core team involved are too arrogant to fix it and even if they weren't arrogant, they are too talentless to make amends and given how deep a hole this whole show is in due to the bizarre time and sequencing (and distance, and common sense etc etc) decisions they made from the beginning.
The only hope we have is someone who is close to Bezos and gives a shit about LoTR and Tolkien's work tells him what an utter travesty this shitshow is and he sacks everyone involved AND if he still wants a series based on the material they bought, they go and hire capable people who care to develop it.
This particular turkey is too far gone to be fixed. You could bring in Jackson, Nolan, Villeneuve....anyone, I think it's beyond redemption now.
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Oh my. I couldn't have predicted this.
Olson, the Wormtongue of Amazon.
Sophia Nomvette said it without knowing: 'this is a "redress of balance"'.
Postmodernism is the death of creativity.
Protect the Silmarillion at all costs.
Subscribed. You have such intelligent and well presented takes. Not just rage bait, like a lot of others.
Nobody is watching this garbage. They can create all the controversy they want.
Villineuve pretty much did do that…
Rings of Poop is an abomination. It is not and never will be part of Tolkien's stories. Furthermore, it caused me to despise Amazon and start shopping at other retailers.
Take the two versions of the blue wizards. The first one with a third age arrival along with the other Istari and the later version with a second age arrival. They are both canon to me. Similarly all four gospels are obviously canon even though they contradict each others at points. We also have two creation stories in Genesis. All canon.
The purpose was probably to muddy the waters. Well, if there are two versions of the blue wizards, why cannot Amazon make up anything they want? sort of thing. Answer is, of course that is not what any of that means. However, they could as far as I am concerned choose between the two versions of canon here, and for the show adding second age blue wizards would have been a logical choice if they had some sense and some respect for the lore.
But, alas - They have neither sense nor respect.
As far as the Blue Wizards go, the first mention of them, with them coming to Middle Earth in the Third Age, is clearly from a time when Tolkien was still in the process of fleshing their story out. The passages from Unfinished Tales, or his letters (eg 211) all have phrases like "I think they", or "I fear they", or even more explicitly " _I really do not know anything clearly about the other two_ "
The later mentions of them coming in the Second Age, from 'Last Writings' in 'The Peoples of Middle-earth', (written much later) has Tolkien talking much more authoritatively about them.
I'm not going to even try to fit what Tolkien wrote to what Amazon's crappy anti-fan fiction has done to them, except to point out _if_ the Dark Wizard turns out to be Saruman, it makes Gandalf's actions within Lord of the Rings where he totally trusts Saruman as the head of his order, totally idiotic.
@@terrystewart1973 Agreed of course. Good post.
@@terrystewart1973 They could even combine both versions and have one good blue and one evil blue to get their saruman/gandalf dynamic. Would be ok to me I suppose.
got a Paste email earlier. Top 5 TV Shows Right Now. 5 Penguin 3 Agatha All Along. i rest my case.
Canon or not, it’s still really boring.
What's the point of generating controversy when it doesn't lead to viewers for their production?
They gave me a free month trial so I binge watched it. It was worth everything I paid for it. That is 16 hours of my life that I will not get back. I am going to reread the books to cleanse my brain and if they make another season I will visit the grave of Tolkien and turn him back over.
Who’s playing with rockets?
RIP, ROP🙏🏻
It doesn't matter, Amazon can't fight the most powerful force in entertainment!! Apathy. None of my friends gaf about Rings of Power, not even the one who introduced me to it. I only watched one whole episode of season 2, a few bits, and part of the last episode while doomscrolling. I'm not even interested enough to trash it anymore. Nor is anyone else i know, so here's my last post about RoP. muah
Thanks Elaine
wheel of time isanotherterrible prime adaptation
ROP is almost making me long for S7 and S8 of GoT. 😆 Not really, but it sure looks like they are trying to be worse than that.
I guess all this "professors" and defenders of ROP want to create controversy just to keep this parody of a show relevant . Which it is not and never will be.
Pseudo-artists do and say provocative things to gain publicity. It's not exactly new, from the painter who painted a pipe and added the words "this is not a pipe" (obviously, it was a painting) to punk rock or Game Of Thrones showrunners talking junk on purpose.
Those who publicly comment on it just feed that fire.
I'm sorry but Rene Magritte was a super-talented realistic painter and quite witty, and he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as either Dumb 'n Dumber or the dumpster fire that is GoT.
If this is gaslighting, it is failing...
This show is bad. And we know it
And we also know that this does horrible things to the Lore.
THIS is not based upon TOLKIEN. This is more antifan fiction using locations and characters...badly.
It doesn't matter if the show lives up to Canon its just a bad show
This is yet another in a series of daily ridiculous and hypocritical videos by Negative Nancy. The show is not 'gaslighting' anyone; rather, the haters like this are gaslighting viewers by deliberately distorting everything they read about the show. She says that she "is tired of" the writers "cherry picking" things from various parts of JRR Tolkien's work, and with no evidence, claims that they do this to "drum up attention". If anyone wishes to judge to what degree the show follows the lore, then read the three paragraphs concerning the Second Age in Appendix B of The Return of the King, and the Chapter "Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age" in The Silmarillion. Her hypocrisy regarding cherry picking can be seen in the relentless description of the show as "failing" based on deceptive cherry picking of inappropriate metrics such as Samba TV (check out the strong viewership numbers from Nielsen and the fact that almost two weeks after the finale it is still Amazon's #1). Nancy, if you don't like it, then just don't watch it, yeah? But then, you'd miss out on those clicks, the real (gaslighting) reason for these cringeworthy videos.
Can we talk about your gaslighting? After the season 1-2 drop of 60+%, Nielsen said the ratings dropped across season 2 by another 20+%. Now let's talk about the canonicity of the origin of Gandalf's name, or the Harfoots being a Hobbit SPLIT not a "proto-Hobbit". Now forget the canon and let's talk surviving high falls or riding six days hard with wounds needing treatment. Or a smith who needs to be taught about alloys or storing an anvil in the ceiling. Go back to your Amazon lord, miserable monster.
Amazon buys certain parts of the lore,have "the lord of the rings" in the title and you don't think they are not gaslighting fans???I'f the show was any good the ratings would show otherwise.the show gets bashed because of the terrible writing,terrible acting,terrible set designs,inconsistent with the story telling and butchering of the lore.i mean who is this show made for lol?
Really? Giving Gandalf's speech to Frodo in the 3rd age to Tom Bomadillo in RoP isn't cherry picking from LotR? What about the barrow wights? Which are not created until the 3rd age. Or Gandalf being in the show at all. Or the hobbits. Durin's bane?? None of that is cherry picking for it's recognition?
Tolkien was pretty concerned with distance and travel time, RoP is not. Elrond saying 'oh it's 150 leagues to Eregion (517miles) doesn't fix anything. Just makes it worse, because now Elrond travels like 1500 miles between episodes 4-7 (I think it was 4-7 anyways).
Yes I know you are either a troll or Amazon shill so this discussion is pointless, but I'm bored.
Hello there, Mr. Bezos. It's cool to hear from the Grand Elf himself!
Let's talk about the dishonesty of cherrypicking network statistics. On top of the 63% drop in viewers from season 1 to season 2, let's talk about NIELSEN'S detected 20+% drop in ratings from beginning to end of season 2.
Let's talk about teaching a smith to alloy, storing an anvil in the ceiling, cutting a thumb instead of chains, surviving falls from heights, fast travel.
Go back to your hole, Amazon creature.