SAVING THE WORLD - Persona 3 Reload (Part 82 FINAL)
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- Whelp, get your popcorn ready, everyone! I hope you have over two hours of time to spare, because it's time to finish this! We climb to the peak of Tartarus to come face to face with Nyx... Will we succeed? What future will the world have? Let's find out! I hope you all enjoyed this wild journey.
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In P5, Joker went back home to his parents.
In P4, Yu went back home to his parents.
In P3, Makoto went to his parents.
why would you do this
@@CirqueDuFreak2000idk but i like the pain 😭😭
Coincidentally, his parents' deaths and his own death both ended with Makoto being involved with sealing Nyx
Man...
That was the funniest comment ever thank you for this ajdisix
> cry throughout the entire ending
> finally recollect yourself near the end of the credits
> see the new title screen
> start crying again
Man.... That new title screen... I love that there's no more darkness. Just the possibilities of a bright new day.
Oh and remember when Aigis says that she can read vitals?... Yep, she knows...
I KNOW I was tearing up as I normally do evertime I beat p3 but then the new title screen really got to me its a perfect representation of a new day after everything SEES did it and saved the day despite the sacrifice
I hope when the dlc comes they point out this as aigis in answer supposedly could no longer do it
You mean "Brand New Days" ;)
Glad to know I was not the only one who cried some more after seeing the new title screen :)
literally my exact reaction
The MCs fate makes so many moments in this game so tragic in retrospect.
You never notice how often people make future plans with him until you're replaying it after beating it the first time. And every time you just frown a little.
If there's any solace in this, it's that he'll get to reunite with Akinari, who definitely grew to see the MC as a very dear friend.
I reckon there's a lot of really heartwarming and/or sad fanart of Akinari and/or Shinji welcoming him to the afterlife with open arms
@@SamTheMarioMan(spoilers for answer)
Isnt it implied that makoto doesnt even get to go to the afterlife with shinji akinari since hes doing his duty as the seal. He isnt just regularly dead. Because he is trapped eternally to be the seal
@@user-li6sh3ml5h Spoilers for The Answer and a bit of Persona 4 Arena. Just placing enough text here so anyone (including the Partners) can avoid it if they want.
Well, I was trying to avoid talking about this, but yeah, you're half-right. IIRC, the Great Seal is not for actually locking Nyx away (which is why death still happens after P3). It's for stopping Erebus from reaching Nyx from inside the Sea of Souls/Collective Unconscious (the "outer space" we see at the end of this game _and_ where they fight Erebus in The Answer), those two reuniting is what would cause the Fall to happen. Nyx herself simply _went away_ when the protagonist did the seal, as she could no longer hear Erebus' call. She's probably just chilling with the protagonist inside the Sea of Souls.
I said you're half-right because as Akinari came back for that last speech before the protagonist got the Universe, there's sort of an implication that the Sea of Souls doubles as a form of the afterlife in the Persona series. Since the Seal is there, it means he _is_ in the afterlife, but he's stuck as the Seal.
It's revealed in P4A Elizabeth wants to find a way to free him from the Seal without risking the rest of humanity, just so he can move on "properly". And the way this was worded led to copium from the fandom that he would come back (despite the fact that his body is long dead even by that point)
In the true ending, Makoto does remember, unlike in the bad ending; it's hinted because her name is listed as Aigis instead of simply "Girl"
Oh yeah god true!!
When you realize that MC is dying the ending hits sooooo HARD 😭😭😭😭😭
That's the cool thing about Makoto's death he wasn't lent extra time he stayed alive through sheer force of will to keep his promise to meet with SEES at graduation.
Makoto is really the GOAT. Bro had the power of the Universe unlike any other persona protagonist
Pixel died after he fulfilled his promise to meet up with them. Held on for 2 months after expending his lifespan. Absolute chad.
While I hate the word, it was impressive that he held out
He held on for one month - February.
38:55 "I think Chihiro is the only non teammate is chihiro"
Keisuke still in doctor/artist struggle
There's something really funny about how the 2 (non-teammate) SLs they didn't finish were the one who looks like Ali and the one who looks like Evan
Also, poor Keisuke; the Pixel Partners even got farther with SLs they actively disliked - like the nurse from 4 and Shinya from 5 - than they did with this guy!
The speech Akinari's mother gives never fails at making me bawl my eyes out. Such a simple, but beautiful message. That, along with Aigis' scene at the end. I was spoiled for what happens with the MC at the end of the game, so when i went through the ending of Persona 3 FES, i kept thinking "i'm not gonna cry. i'm not gonna cry. i know what will happen and i won't cry.", but the longer the scene went, the more Aigis spoke, the tears just came out. It happened here in Reload too.
God.....Persona 3 is such a good game.
I'll miss this series so much. It was a lot of fun from beginning to end. Thank you for playing it.
Thank you so much for providing us all with this excellent series. I am so happy that you were able to experience this game with all the modern quality of life features that were added into Reload, because I have a feeling you would not have enjoyed the somewhat archaic gameplay of FES. Thank you for playing my favorite persona game!
This is incredible. 🐱
75 DOLLARS?! Geez! what a nice person :D
hope they use this to play persona 4 ultimax 🙏🙏🙏
"Quality of life" AKA: completely stripping the game of interesting game mechanics and adding skin-deep trash from P5 and also completely ruining the art style with safer visuals.
I can guarantee you the final boss would have been a much more memorable experience had they fought the real one, both in dialogue and gameplay. Reload completely botches them both and lets you get way overleveled practically by accident. But sure, whatever gets it over with faster so you can consume more and more games, right? Ridiculous.
@@absoutezeo2126I dont disagree with some of what you said, but that last part is completely unnecessary. There's no need to belittle someone just because they found enjoyment in something you didn't.
@@GegBhd Thank you. I don't even know what they mean by _"the real dialogue"_ anyway. I have beaten the original and everything overall plays out the same. There are changes in it that make it not hit as hard as the original in a few points for me, but it's nothing that _completely changed_ the scene, just standard retranslated stuff
One of the saddest things in this ending: We learn from the security camera footage of Aigis in Pixel's room that she can detect life signs (temperature, etc.). She knew _exactly_ what was going to happen.
The ending of Persona 3 is so amazing to me. The fact Makoto sacrifices his life to stop Nyx and save everybody gets me. I'm always happy when the God antagonist actually makes the protagonist struggle and Nyz really embodies the themes perfectly. This game and Persona 5 have such a special place in my heart and I could honestly never pick a favorite of the two but the ending is my favorite of the Persona games. Always cry when we get to the end of this.
See you guys in the DLC
I recommend hearing the translated lyrics for the credits song, “Memories of You”, it’s a great emotional song- the creator still considers it his magnum opus in a Q&A a couple years ago.
Its still by far my favorite Persona end theme.
And yes, the ending is pretty obvious that we die.
And just like what Akinari's Mom said, we did one last thing to show that we loved our friends by our sacrifice.
Before I start to watch this episode I just want to say
THE ARCANA IS THE MEANS BY WHICH ALL IS REVEALED
Vivia- I wanna die someday
In the intro of original Persona 3, the saying of Momento Mori flashes over the MC. Even before the start, the game was telling that you as the protagonist would meet your end by the end of this journey. Between this and what Pharos says at the start, the game is trying to tell you to value your time in this life wisely.
It's in the original p3 intro, the p3fes one is just a highlight reel of the entire game sadly lmfao (the song is unreal tho)
@@zasshu.7240 🤦♂
Thank you, my mind slipped and misremembered. And yes, Burn My Dread goes hard AF
@@zasshu.7240 The original intro is in P3FES as well, it plays if you wait on the menu after watching or skipping the FES intro
Fun fact, Memento Mori is only half of the phrase. The full one is Memento Mori, Memento Viviare, may have misspelled the last word. But it translates to "Remember you will die. Remember you must live"
To answer your questions: Yes, the Protagonist did die at the very end due to the "Great Seal" taking up all of his HP. He was actually supposed to die on Jan 31st but he lived up to March 5th only so that he could fulfill his promise to his friends.
As for why Aigis was not reacting the way she was supposed to was because she genuinely thought that Makoto (the protag) was simply exhausted. She then starts tearing up at the end and questions her tears because she being a machine was somewhat able to detect that Makoto was slowly dying but didn't think about it a lot as this was supposed to be their "Happy Reunion"
Loved your Playthrough so far and hope to see u guys play the dlc later down the line 🔥
Thats the plan
MC defied death for months through sheer willpower just to fulfill his promise to the others on graduation day.
The Arcana is the means by which all is revealed...
Pixel: “Nuh uh!”
With the remix of "The Poem of Everyone's Souls" that has played during all your time with the Velvet Room this really feels like the final battle, not only of Persona 3, but of your entire Persona journey...
And fittingly, the fact that Persona 3 could've been Atlus' final game since they were at the verge of bankruptcy before release. And it's very ironic how a game that could've been Atlus' last and tackles the journey towards death would end up saving the studio.
Those were exactly my thoughts, since I played the games in the reverse order, lol
The music playing during fight with Nyx is phenomenal, the way it just keeps on going and then switches to Burn My Dread (which is probably my favourite version, it's really personal to Makoto) is perfect
So what you're saying is since they went in reverse, it gives a different kind of catharsis eh?
Honestly, having finally played Persona 3, I realised why Makoto is such a beloved protagonist. The further into the story you go the more you realise just how much he cares for his friends and how they changed him. The Reload version of Burn My Dread is really personal to Makoto, it perfectly characterises him. "I'm ready to seize the day, 'cause I know in your hearts there's a spot for me, believing in me gave me possibilities, it's more like a gift that I don't deserve, so I gotta give it back to you by all means". The whole song is incredible
I am honestly still heartbroken, even after sacrificing himself for them he still holds on until the graduation just to keep his promise. Truly the most remarkable guest, worthy of The Universe...
And now, having finished Persona 3 and having seen some things from P4 Arena... I actually realise that Persona 3-5 entries are more connected than I thought they are. I actually believe now that Persona 6 can pretty much be some kind of grand finale for the overall story (I think I also heard some discussions over how the outcome of P5 ending goes back to P3, but I am not sure). Actually, looking back now, P5 really broke a lot of constants, especially the ones that were related to the Velvet Room, which makes me even more hyped for P6
I don't want to say too much as some context involves story details that are covered in the DLC that's releasing later this year, but the games are pretty connected overall and Persona 3 is what ties the old to the new. You have drops like the Nanjo Group being involved with the Kirijos which would make sense considering Kei Nanjo would have known about Personas as he has one himself. You also have the fact that Nyx is the progenitor of all Shadows and more or less death itself, so even after the ending of Persona 3 Nyx still has left a mark on and has influence over the world behind the Great Seal. Not to mention that Nyx exists outside the bounds of the collective unconscious and does not rely on humanity's cognition to exist, unlike every other final boss in Persona. That seal is the only thing stopping the fall from happening unless, like Ryoji mentioned, more people were to be like the individuals in SEES. This is a major reason why people say Persona 5's collective unconscious cognition change ties back to Persona 3.
We also know from Arena and 4 Golden that Elizabeth left the Velvet Room on her own journey, becoming a Wild Card user herself (and using Thanatos as her main in Arena no less). In games like PQ 1 and 2 and even Persona 3 Dancing, Elizabeth has lines that hint at the fact that because the Velvet Room exists outside of time and space, the Elizabeth who interacts with Makoto and the others in those games knows his fate the whole time. I feel like all of this has to come into play at some point. The common theory is that like a Wild Card user would, Elizabeth is going around trying to find more Persona users in order to do something involving humanity and the collective unconscious.
P.S. Makoto is my favorite Persona protag and I'm really glad to see him getting more of the love he deserves. :) I find him to be one of the more relatable protags and I love how much he embodies the themes of the story itself. The movies, manga, and spinoff titles really helped give him some more depth than the original games had, but it was all there from the beginning and Reload simply emphasizes it more than ever, which I really appreciate. I think every character is represented and expanded on wonderfully in this game, and I gained a new appreciation for all of them despite having been a P3 fan for over a decade now.
@@VelvetAura Just to add a little more, Nyx herself is also a callback to Persona 1's Snow Queen Quest, although there she was just named "Night Queen" (which, well, came back as a reference here). The 3 main dungeons of that route were all towers named after Nyx's children, and they all return as Personas in this game (Hypnos, Nemesis and Thanatos). P3FES and P3P even lets you use a remix of the main theme for that route as BGM for Tartarus.
Another thing I liked in P1 is that it recontextualizes just how much weaker people can be against the supernatural enemies without a Persona, with the gimmick for one of its dungeons being that you temporarily lost your Persona if you died, and until you reclaimed it you'd get hit for massive damage, enough to one-shot _even if you had 999 HP._ This made a few moments later in the series hit harder, like the part everyone else is dragged into the Dark Hour here
@@NessBrawl64 I always found that interesting, especially since the Snow Queen route isn't canon is it?
Also yes that was cool! I really like how the characters' stats even in the more modern titles are more reflective of their Personas than themselves, and it emphasizes that having a Persona is the only way to effectively kill the Demons/Shadows, but I would like to see another sequence like that again in a future game
@@VelvetAura I'd argue it is canon, but P1 is in a weird spot canonically because P2 implies the events of both routes happened in some way. It seems the party members you didn't have any chance to recruit during SQQ did part of SEBEC off-screen and call for your help in SQQ's ending (or something like that), and SQQ ends right as your party is going to help them. And midway through SEBEC, the school just disappears out of nowhere, which implies the events of SQQ are happening inside it.
In other words, both routes seem to be canon, but we never get to see how both of them played out together in-game. I wouldn't be surprised if a P1 remake just tried to merge them; thanks to what I just said, SQQ could easily be rewritten as the first few arcs of the game and then lead into SEBEC. I remember the manga did just that, but it can't be used as an 1:1 adaptation for the game
Igor: "You were a truly a MOST remarkable guest." While to other MCs (P4 & P5), Igor said "You were truly a remarkable guest." Keep in mind that Persona 3 could've been Atlus' final game since they were at the verge of bankruptcy before release. And it's very ironic how a game that could've been Atlus' last and tackles the journey towards death would end up saving the studio.
And listening to Igor say this, his voice has got a somber tone. And despite his unchanging expression, he kind of sounds sad.
As the ONLY MC who gets the Universe tarot card, there’s something so fitting that The Battle for Everyone's Souls has the Velvet Room theme mixed into it.
He truly was the greatest guest ever.
God. Imagine how sad it would be for Igor if the world really did end here. The Velvet Room would have no more purpose...
@@joelsasmadconsidering they can work in alternative realties ie kotone I think he would still have job just more busy work
The lines are the same for every protag in Japanese. Also World & Universe both mean the end of the Fool's Journey and the start of a new, better life. They're the same card from 2 different decks. As of The Movie and Reload, Universe also shares the World's card design. So the Universe tarrot card is not that special.
Now you know why so many people love P3 MC:
His Sacrifice is the reason Yu and Ren were able to do their journey's. If The MC didn't do this, They would be dead alongside everyone else. And its their Journey's that help reaffirm that P3 MC's sacrifice isn't in vain, that Humanity can fight back against beings that threaten Humanity's cognition and that by doing so more and more, Makoto can rest in peace knowing that he did the right thing.
With Yu and Ren doing their things in their respective games, it only further proved to Makoto that what he did was the best thing he could’ve done. He can rest assured knowing his fellow future wild card users continue his legacy to give humanity the chance to keep going and to keep growing.
And also the real life implications of the fact that Persona 3 could've been Atlus' final game as they were at the verge of bankruptcy before its release as at the time their games were niche even by JRPGs standards outside of Japan. And it's very ironic how a game that could've been Atlus' last and tackles the journey towards death would end up saving the studio.
@@theonlineninja7596 Yeah, pretty crazy story about how Persona 3, the game that LITERALLY confronts Death itself square in the face would be the game to essentially bring back the series to life. It was Atlus’ literal last chance to make a comeback or crumble to ashes in bankruptcy. Without P3, we would’ve never had Persona 4 Golden or Persona 5 Royal ever release the way they did. So not only in game Makoto Yuki was respected and loved, but the company itself owes their success to him, figuratively and literally!
1:29:30 I think you guys are forgetting the more important thing about Ken forgetting Dark Hour things related to Shinji. He forgot how his mom died. From his perspective the last two years were completely different because he wasn't out for vengeance
The biggest takeaway from this series is that Evan's true love interest was Siegfried.
Siegfried truly is THE best girl.
The second biggest takeaway from this is
The Arcana is the means by which all is revealed
Edit: fixing typo
But then in the finale, he cheated on Siegfried with Satan! D:
Lol now that I think about it, I think this was the first battle since Evan first got Siegfried that he didn't use him at all. Which means the total Siegfried Crit Count for this playthrough is 105!
@@SamTheMarioMan Harem still lives on, even with his Personas.
Man... Akinari's mother, even though she doesn't have many lines throughout the game, her voice actress did a VERY great job, and her lines hit SO hard... And it COULD be a coincidence, but here she confirms that Akinari is 19 years old, the Sun Arcana is the 19th Arcana, and in his rank 9, Akinari mentions that "the sun is setting"...
This end theme is the best of the series.
I know he wasn't the most liked Confidant, but I am happy for the Gourmet King. I really like that as soon he graduated, he immedently went for his life goal as being a food critic and he's already extremely successful about to tour the world. It was poetic because he used to go on about how his brother was successful at everything but here he is, already successful in his own right. He said he was going to become his own successful person different from his brother and he's accomplished that already.
I like the small detail of Nyx's black father's, you would encounter them through the whole game when exploring Tartar Sauce!
"Nyx's black father's"
hol up
42:00 - Yup, this is Ryoji's revenge for that one time you wasted it.
Seriously though, seeing that bit come up from time to time was indeed really funny because I knew this was coming eventually
I recomend not trying to look too much into story stuff, "The answer" Is the continuation and covers pretty much all doubts about this game
Anyways, happy to share another great game whit two of the best RUclipsrs i have seen, keep being awesome
There is a lot to unpack here! The fight against Nyx was incredible! Loved the new additions and when the music hits it hits hard. I like the simbols in the fight, us being the Messiah and freeing the world and saving it. The fact that we got the universe arcana, what was the biggest accomplished between all Persona protagonists! The last send of and talking with all confidants and the best one was absolutely Akinari or should I say Akinari's mother, that conversation hit so hard! 😢😭❤ Or the funny moment when the teacher finds out who Tatsuya really is... 😂🤣
But yeah overall an amazing journey! I am sad to see this game series gone but everything must have a end. Thanks for the journey and can't wait for more of your let's plays walkthrough with other series I love and adore.
Makoto is still the only user to get delt the Universe and I hope it stays that way. P3 is the only game to make me cry multiple times throughout the story (also, don't search up tge lyrics to Memories of you, the final song, unless you want to be depresso again). I loved these characters and the voice acting was phenominal. Aigis' social link (+ the teams and Akinari) were the best social links in tge whole series.
And to Pixel Partners, you'll find The Answer soon enough... Just give it some Time.
Oh yeah, something I haven't seen anyone comment about here is that towards the end of Aigis' S. Link, she promised she'd be there with you on your last moments. *She meant it.*
Akinari's mom breaks me everytime 😢
Also the story does continue in the dlc coming in september. What you played was THE JOURNEY
and now u wait for THE ANSWER.
2:08:30 man, Evan just spitting facts that many people have on their minds.
That's why some people blame social links for that because in this game even Persona Evolutions are story-related and don't happen at the end of the social link.
Edit: 2:09:50 yeppers
I would prefer Social Links with party members still be a thing, but not have their Persona evolutions tied to them. They did it great with this game’s female (male if you’re playing the Female MC in P3P) party members, so I hope Persona 6 (whenever that comes out) also goes that route.
@@JJ_R I'm not saying to remove them, but P3 also has a big advantage of blocking party members behind max stats and time locks. And that social link stuff development goes alongside their story development.
People complain about requirements but it makes them even better that you don't get best buddies buddies the instant they join the team. Instead, you get to first meet the town's folks. It's because the Persona developers have to have in mind that someone will max the social link in 10 days. And that it has to fit the story.
Yosuke probably had his romance cut exactly because of this reason, because what if someone started to romance him right before the Kanji stuff? Now imagine if Yosuke was unlocked after we went through half of the game.
That's why I hope that they will continue the linked episodes in the future games even if there's a downside to them being time-restricted. Because I think they're miles better than Social Links and they could allow things like Yosuke romance for example.
Did we go an entire persona playthrough and at the end mistake Yusuke for Yosuke? Or did that happen earlier once before?
@@_Lis25Yeah, I honestly prefer linked episodes to social links as well. They fundamentally pair much better with the main narrative. I'm in full support of scrapping party member social links for then.
@@_Lis25 The biggest problem is trying to cram in the time needed to complete all 21+ Social Links *and* having Linked Episodes for all of your party members. Sure, some progress with the story (like Fool & Judgement), but unless more than 3 of the others also progress with only time, having Linked Episodes with all 6+ party members is gonna be tough.
Or they can do what this game did and only have the Linked Episodes be tied to the non-romance party members (depending on if they make the main character a girl again).
A cool detail during the battle against Nyx itself (the egg with hands) is that when the protagonist has gathered enough power to cast the Great Seal, the menu merely shows his silhouette, without needing an Evoker, or to summon a Persona. In the later Persona games, the protagonist summons an ultimate Persona (Izanagi-no-okami, Satanael) through the power of friendship, but here, our boi is using a skill by himself. He has literally transcended normal world limits and done the impossible.
Pixel Partners: I think Chihiro is the only non-party member we missed out on.
Keisuke, the Fortune arcana: Am I a joke to you?
yes. yes you are.
If you remember what Mr. Edogawa told you about The Arcana in his class, it explains about the Traits of each of them. Meanwhile, the speech of Nyx Avatar told you on each phases, it explains you the resolution of each Arcana.
So yeah, Makoto sacrificed his own soul to seal Nyx, that's why it took the exact amount of hp to cast the great seal, and yeah Makoto does die after the rooftop, he essentially was a dead-man walking the entire time after Nyx staying alive through pure willpower to keep his promise, no Aigis didn't know he was dying, the gang really doesn't take it well for a while, especially some of them.
p.s makoto gets the universe arcana instead of world like yu and joker, and finds the literal answer to life, he is THAT guy, and clearly Igors favorite.
No he was sleeping on the day. He died in his dorm the next day
Welp, you know what time it is everyone. *The Arcana is the means by which is revealed.*
Personally, as much as I love the other final boss themes, personally "The Battle for Everyone's Souls" is probably the best final battle theme from a Persona game, literally remix's the Velvet Room into the boss. The other final boss themes sounds a tad more epic, but this theme has much more meaning behind it.
Although I really wish the new Nyx fight was made just a little harder, they REALLY needed to make Reload harder overall to compensate having full party control. The same thing happened with P3P where giving the player full control of the party makes the game much easier than FES. But overall a phenomenal final act, the updated tech and graphics give the story a much more powerful feeling. And no, while he's going through the Arcanas, he's only going through the SHADOW Arcanas.
I know some people aren't really a fan of Nyx Avatar's new voice played by Aleks Le because it "sounds more empathetic to the characters and doesn't sound scary like the original" That is LITERALLY the point of his Arcana lines. 0-12 are him remembering his time as Pharos and Ryoji and trying to determine if humanity is worth living. 13, Death is Nyx determineing it's not. Lorewise, Ryoji was Nyx's avatar trying decide if it should bring about the fall. It ultimately decided it should and therfore on 12/31 makes you decide your path. Nyx Avatar, as Pharos, was living inside Makoto. This changed it fundamentally when we formed a link with it. But it still ultimately decided that humanity should meet its end. Hence the 13th 'Death' line.
Personally, I would have made Nyx get a turn and remove it's debuffs each time it does an Arcana Shift. Also make it resistant to everything with each form shifting immunity.
@@joelsasmad Yeah, there should be some kind of punishment for shifting Nyx Avatar's Arcanas too quickly.
@@joelsasmadBut Nyx does revert it's stat debuffs every Arcana shift, You can see that even here after Evan used Mitsuru's Theurgy Nyx stats got debuffed and immediately reverted to normal because the Theurgy triggered the phase change
sorry for my english in advance yes you died at the end the only reason you live that long because he made a promise to meet them at graduation day. he wouldve died when he used the universe but his sheer will power kept him alive, but he was getting really exhausted at the end thats why the last days he looked so grim, and as far i know Aigis didnt/ did know he was dying iam still not sure about that part but everything will be pretty much explain in the answer that comes in september i think? :D
Cant believe it’s already over.. persona 3’s ending will always live rent free in my head and make me sob
Oh boy! Time to cry my eyes out all over again. This ending gets me every time
I love the ending of this game. It hits so much harder than the other endings of the modern Persona games. I think it is in part because of the characters growing so much. The ending definitely touched my heart like no other game has. Also, that ending easily skyrocketed Aigis as my favorite character in the series. Thank you guys for playing such a great game :]
Now you know where all rhe feathers we've been seeing falling throughout the tower came from.
I'm guessing the unknown sender is probably Ryoji. Makoto looked at the music box Ryoji gave him right before he got the text. And if you go up to the music room before that, he mentions how he remembers a melody being played there once and how it's going to be with him forever. And I honestly think that's really sweet. When Pharos disappeared on 11/4, he remembered his purpose and should've left to bring ruin to the world. But he came back because he wanted to see Pixel/Makoto again. He defied his fate for the person he cared about. Now, when Makoto makes the ultimate sacrifice, he should be gone. But he also returns to say farewell to those he cares about. Saying goodbye to the people you love caused Ryoji and Pixel to defy the fate set before them. Even if only for a little while. This was an amazing game. And an amazing remake. Love the Persona series so much.
Makoto is implied to remember as is aigis
Remember the notes on being sick
Welp time for me to go cry for the next hour.
Also who would've guessed the final boss was a precious egg!
Easily the best final boss and battle theme in the series if you ask me. So damn cool
Yes, the arcana is the means by which all is revealed…
The Arcana is the memes by which all is revealed.
"I'm trying to think of who that Thank You text could have come from."
It's easy to miss, but the MC is looking at the music box that Ryoji gave him, when he gets that text.
And how sad, but the Aigis appreciation comments shall be put on hold until the dlc comes ou, it’s been fun.
The answers is yes guys the protagonist is dead but for good reason
I've seen this ending like five different times and it never fails to make me cry like a baby.
It goes without saying but I’m so glad you enjoyed this crazy roller coaster of emotions that is this game, the best entry in the series in my opinion.
Oh baby a 2 hour special
So this is the end, huh? Guess I'd better get my thoughts in order, cause this emotional rollercoaster deserves my honest review!
I've heard a lot of people say 5 has the best gameplay, 4 has the best characters, and 3 has the best story. While I disagree with 4, I have to say 3 lived up to the hype and then some, cause holy crap, this was the best Persona game story-wise by far! And the characters, too... While 5's Yusuke & Futaba are still my all-time favorites, 3's cast blows 4's out of the water, and unlike 4 & 5, this game didn't have any teammates that I actively disliked. And the character development! 4 & 5 had good character development too, but with this game, *every* character on the team is so well-written and has such a good arc, and while Ikutsuki & Strega definitely weren't as prominent as the TV World killer or the mental shutdown culprit, they still played the roles they were given pretty well!
From a gameplay standpoint, I really appreciate all the ways they changed Reload to make it feel more like P5/P5R, but Tartarus is still a bit of a sore spot. It has a leg up on P4's dungeons because they at least *tried* to make it more interesting with Monad Doors and the Clock Dimension, but it's still mostly just "Walk through randomly-generated floors, fight Shadows, open chests, rinse and repeat for 260 floors". But hey, this was one of the earlier Persona games, so I'm willing to give it a pass.
In conclusion, here's how I'd rank the 3 games (from worst to best). Gameplay: 4, 3, 5; Characters: 4, 5, 3; Story: 4, 5, 3
But hey. At least Persona 5 has *actual* level design that isn't just randomly generated floors (except for Mementos).
You didn't have Aigis with you but she would say if you had her when fighting Nyx "I failed before but I will defeat you this time" or something like that.
Really sucks that unique dialogues only play for the party members you have at the moment.
She also gets a passive dialogue where she tells Ryoji "I am with you till the very end"
26:50 yes armageddon would've killed Nyx's final form in one shot, her final phase has only 6000 hp with no thresholds or anything to hold it back or anything of the sort.
Should've been at least 20k
Goes crazy when you realize the MC was supposed to die a month ago. He fought with himself to live one more month to fulfill the promise he made about the ceremony.
And so the Journey has come to an end. Now, the Answer awaits.
"I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!"
The biggest hint that the MC died is that the Great Seal skill at the end costs all of his health.
In the classic persona fashion! Gotta say, my favourite out of all the persona games so far. Can't see what's next!
This is too my favorite cast of modern persona games, this was a blast to watch, can’t wait for the next game, and hopefully to see you play 13 sentinels someday
Akinari's book got published and is referenced in Persona 4, Nanako was reading it and related to it.
Ali mentions it during their rank 4 or 5 event with him.
1:41:02 this part. Atlus should definitely show us who did actually published akinari's story in the dlc. They need to absolutely do it fr
That last scene with Aigis before the credits is soooo heart-wrenching!!!!!!!!
Makoto's death truly and fully embodies the themes of this game: "Memento mori, memento vivere." Remember that you will die, remember that you must live. Live life in a way that people will be able to say that you truly _lived._ And Pixel did _exactly_ that. He gave his life to protect his friends so that _they_ could live. He lived to protect those precious to him, therefore, he was ready to die to do the same.
As Yukari said, "Living means looking death square in the face." Living means acknowledging that you will die and choosing to live life to the fullest, not despairing and losing hope. And so, after giving his life to protect his friends, looking death square in the face while doing it, and staying alive through sheer force of will to fulfill the promise he made with his friends, he was ready to die.
Whatever you do doesn't have to be on the same scale as what Pixel did, though. "It doesn't take a grand gesture. You don't have to make a big production of it. If you love someone, let them know it." Do something meaningful for someone else, no matter how big or small it is. Let them know you love them. The bond you share with them is irreplaceable. Many people don't realize that until it's too late, and they're clinging to the other person's cold, dead hands. Do something for them while they're still here. Because those bonds of friendship you share with them are what make you feel... _alive._
the arcana is the means by which all is revealed.... it matters not who you are.... one thing is always certain: death awaits all
I loved this playthrough I'm excited to see how you handle the nix fight as well as the ending because it will always make me tear up makoto's fate is always heartbreaking and till the epilog called the Answer (aka the aigis dlc) its sorta ambitious as to what truly happened but hopefully you'll figure out the truth in September when the dlc is released
Also I absolutely love nix's boss theme "battle for everyone's souls" is the best final god boss song out of persona imo
Congrats on completing the base game and passing through the sadness. Time to play Episode: Aigis, The Answer dlc when it comes out!
(Hope you guys will play it 🤞)
When this game was announced I was like "huh, cool", having played like 90% of P3Portable and generally knowing how the game ends, I doubted I would get too excited for it. Eventually the trailers, gameplay footage and other stuff got me more interested, and I ended up preordering. When I finally got the game, I realized just how actually gorgeous the artstyle is, and how they perfectly carried over the thematic flair of Persona 5 in a new way, and I was hooked.
The points you made about the cast being best in this game I 100% agree with. I would in fact extend it to (mostly) everyone in the game. I really enjoy a lot of the resolutions to different Social Links here. There are so many characters who are written really well and really realistically. Even though I was on my fourth full playthrough of a Persona game for the first time, it didn't feel like more of the same, all of it still felt special.
I think the overall story of this game is phenomenal. I have so much more I could say, but I don't think it's worth trying to put it all down here. All I can say is that the game's tagline really hits home after taking it all in.
"Remember you will die. Remember you have lived."
Thank you for playing this game.
This game hits so hard the second time around. Knowing Makoto’s days are numbered from the start makes it feel different. But honestly he knows who he is and what he wants so much that I think he’d do EXACTLY the same thing even if he knew.
So, according to some out-of-game sources, Nyx isn't a god born from the minds of humans like other Persona final bosses. Supposedly, she was an eldritch being that crashed into the Earth a very long time ago. Her body and her psyche separated in the crash, and the body became the Moon while her psyche remained on Earth, almost killing the primitive life there. That's when life on Earth evolved the Collective Unconscious, to seal Nyx's psyche within it. However, because of this, pieces of Nyx's mind remain in every living thing on Earth, and these are where Shadows come from.
So Nyx isn't born from the minds of people. In a way, people's minds were born from HER. And the Fall is when her body, the Moon, is called back down to Earth to reunite with her psyche, bringing about the end of the world.
I love both P4G and P5R but the stories of their games don't even compare to this game. Makoto is also the best of the protagonists in the games.
The fight really would've been a lot more challenging if Nyx Avatar can do 2 actions per turn like the original then stacking it with Grim Transcendence in the Hanged Man phase. Also a funny thing that WOULD happen is that in the original Nyx Avatar WILL spam Night Queen when its HP is very low, and Night Queen inflicts random status aliments to the party one of which being *charm.* And it's entirely possible for a party member to HEAL Nyx back to full. However, it's not AS big of a deal here because we got controllable party members AND Theurgys being a busted mechanic overall.
I remember that back when I beat P3, I knew about this and made a point to grind out Narcissus for its Heart Item, just because that one was an accessory that made you immune to Charm.
As for the fight being easier, I don't think controllable party members are that big of a factor. They were alright if you handled the Tactics menu well, and just about the only thing that could be problematic was, like, a heal not going to the person you wanted sometimes. I agree they nerfed this boss too much and they shouldn't, but I'd blame this more on power creep we got from games since P3, Theurgy is just one of the main things this time.
Nyx apparently used to have a hidden resistance to all elements outside Almighty in her Death phase. That doesn't seem to be the case here, they could just have done actual resistances for her instead, maybe even beyond that.
Imagine if this was the one enemy in the game that on top of resisting every element, _resisted Almighty and Theurgies_ too (they'd still be viable but not a win button outside Armageddon)
I mean, that actually happens in merciless difficulty. Pixel partners is just playing on easy/normal difficulty
Yeah Nyx kicked my ass in P3 FES like a decade ago.
But this version of Nyx was a pushover honestly. Theurgies honestly break the game lmao
So besides him being sick, the Great Seal using up all his HP, is what's said to you at the beginning where you only have one year. Pharos also tells you when you sign the contract that death comes for everyone. The part of the contract you take responsibility for is being a carrier of death. The clock and the elevator stopping was also another symbol. And if you read the lyrics that's played in the last battle with Nyx's core, it shows that he knew he was going to die. The other new thing in Reload is if you look at the opening, how you get the Velvet Room key from Elizabeth is that she transforms a red spider lily into the Velvet Room key. The red spider lily symbolizes both great misfortune and death. So him signing basically a deal with death is how he got his powers in the first place.
The game is a pretty good allegory for The Fool's Journey which what makes the tarot theme in Persona 3 really cool.
Oh... It's time... Did you know that...
The moment man devoured the fruit of knowledge, he sealed his fate. Entrusting his future to the cards, man clings to a dim hope.
Yes, the arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Attaining ones, dream requires and stern will and unfailing determination.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. The silent voice within ones heart whispers the most profound wisdom.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Celebrate life grandeur, it's brilliance, it's magnificence.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Only Courage in face doubt can lead one to the answer.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. It is indeed a precious gift to understand the forces that guide oneself.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. There is both joy and wonder in coming to understand another.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. One of life's greatest blessing is the freedom to pursue one's goal.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. To find the one true path one must seek guidence admist uncertainty.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. It requires great courage to look and oneself honestly and forge your one's path.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Alongside time exist fate, the bearer of cruelty.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Only with strength can one endure suffering and torment.
The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. In the face of disaster lies opportunity for renewal.
The moment man devoured the fruit of knowledge, he sealed his fate... Entrusting his future to the cards, man clings to a dim hope. Yet arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Beyond the Beaten Path lies the absolute end. It matters not who you are, Death awaits you.
And when I thought nothing could be better than Persona 5. On a serious note, though, currently crying my eyes out at this beautiful, yet tragic ending, when I'm so used to the feel-good endings from Persona 4 and 5. I loved watching this game so much and don't know how anything could beat it. VL
If you want to know what really happened to the MC, play The Answer DLC on September. There are hints here and there about what happened throughout the ending here in The Journey, but The Answer will definitely provide what you looking for.
i love this remake. I have some nitpicks but I always felt P3 was the best persona game, I just struggled to rank it over 4 and 5 due to the outdated mechanics.
now that you both played 3 and 4 I hope you both consider Arena again. ultimax, if I recall, includes the main story from 1st arena game.
Also,
The Arcana is the means by which all is revealed.
Normally, I would’ve done this with individual arcana throughout the LP, when a Social Link/Confidant got maxed out. This time, it’s all at once (I know it’s not *all* of them, but it’s close enough).
The Arcana is welcome in the -Dark Hour- universe.
As soon as the piano started playing the ending theme while Aigis and MC were on the roof, I started balling 😭 what an ending! I knew it was coming, and I still cried. What an amazing game and I cannot wait for Episode Aigis (The Answer) to come out later in September!
I’m so glad you guys enjoyed this game and after you play Episode Aigis (I hope you will), check out P4 Arena! At least just to see the P3 cast timeskip
This is the only ending to a Persona game that's made me want to cry.
it's never flat out said, but the fact that the entire HP bar is used for an attack (only time it ever happens in persona without a game over) is enough indication of his fate...
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in the persona 3 movie they showed him turning into the great seal which is why this mc is known as door-kun
They aren't supposed to know that last part yet. It's something only revealed in The Answer, which they haven't played. It's a spoiler.
@@agent3689 everything i said happened here, wouldn't know what you mean by spoiler considering i myself haven't played the answer
@@majidoujaa5592 The final detail in your comment, the protagonist turning into the Great Seal, is the last big revelation of The Answer, so I would consider a spoiler, as they haven't played it, but if you think something shown in the movie is fair grounds, then I can't argue with that. The movies mostly explore the main game, and they aren't going to watch it, after all.
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I agree to some extent, mostly with Persona 5’s cast, that they felt very segmented and it was very off putting especially considering how some of the roles were replaced simply just by another character showing up…like Makoto and Futaba basically showing up and just taking the role of spoken leader/strategists, and support from Morgana and the other Phantom Thieves just kind of existing. However, I kind of forgive some of the “distance” because of the fact they live in Tokyo and it’s harder to catch up in the big dense city, but where I disagree is that the investigation team seems segmented, because after they defeat their shadow and become part of the team they don’t instantly become all of sudden pushed to the side. In fact, they often accept that part of them, but still have issues that are solved throughout the story as it doesn’t instantly make them the perfect being just by accepting their flaws, and a lot of that is shown just by their group dynamic and close friendship throughout the entire story. I think the biggest issue that holds the other teams back that you both explained is that in Persona 3 the evolutions of Persona happen naturally within the story, whereas in Persona 4 and 5 it happens as a direct circumstance of now you’re facing the final boss which hits differently emotionally because it’s a direct response to a shonen trope of needing to power up at this time to win, instead of natural growth because you lost something precious. It’s like Goku powering up because he has to win versus Gohan powering up because he just saw Android 16 die in front of him and not being able to stop it…
Yeah your boi died. Rip Pixel-dono, you will be missed 🫡🙏
My read on the whole ending sequence was that the reason why you got to go back for a short while after sealing Nyx away was directly tied to the gang loosing their memories. So everyone gradually regaining their memories on graduation day was actually a double-edged sword. Once Junpei, Yukari, and Aigis began questioning the gaps in their memory the week before graduation, that was when you started to feel weak. And it's also why they don't make it to greet you on the rooftop.
So it's like, the trade-off for ensuring that your friends still remember the growth they went through in SEES, is to peacefully pass on with the knowledge that you're leaving them with the strength to move on without you.
the story isn't over quite as yet, but that won't happen for another 3 months (give or take a few days)
Oh, I should warn you: Just in case you guys were considering it, DON'T play Persona 4 Arena yet. It actually contains spoilers for Persona 3: The Answer, which is coming out as Persona 3: Episode Aigis in September. (In Persona 3 FES in Japan, the main game was called "Episode Yourself" while the added story content was called "Episode Aigis". This was changed in the western release of FES to "The Journey" and "The Answer", respectively.)
And, when you do get around to it, DON'T watch the opening. It contains spoilers for the game. It's much more blatant than your typical mainline Persona game opening.
The first time I saw this ending I cried my eyes out.
Yeah we dead
finally
the final boss
Can’t wait for The Answer to be added with the DLC
Wait Nyx only gets one action per turn in Normal? that's kind of anticlimatic.
Fantastic playthough all in all.
Yep Nyx got heavily nerfed in p3r
@@umbra_87gaming77 I know, I've been through the game.And the original. And P3P both sides.
But here in Reload in Merciless it gained extra actions at like... Strength? something like that, and played with two or three attacks per round the rest of the fight.
@@umbra_87gaming77 Another major factor that affected Nyx was that we got controllable party members. This was the same problem we had in Portable where Nyx is made WAY easier there. And in the original it's a LOT more unpredictable what would happen and sometimes the fight could last up to an hour.
Tru all tru
Time to go cry again...
I'm already waiting for the Episode Aegis/Answer :'D