"Killing his own sons" - That really doesn't seem to be something Degwin could ever do. Even when he knows how frightening Gihren and Kycilia is, he refuses to stop them. He loves his children. I always assumed Sasero was killed by Kycilia. She offs people the way we eat popcorn and he had just physically harmed her not long before, treating her like absolute garbage. We know she's a sibling killer to begin with from the actual show. Just seems like she had to be the one to do it.
I agree, when you watch the show/OVA, you get the impression that Degwin killed Sasro, but in the manga it gives the impression that Kycilia was the one who did
@@agitatedtofu2511 what? Degwin let his son become space Hitler and never once tried to stop him. Also kycilila doesn't even emote when her brother is killed and instead tells garma to stop crying
@@agitatedtofu2511 it's definitely Kycillia, she doesn't give a fuck if Gihren or Dozzle dies let alone her father's this is also the reason why Char rose to infamy aswell
@@yi_hou3092 Ironic thing is: SHE DOES care for the Zabi Family though she definitely is more than willing to kill a problem or two. She loved her father, she obviously cared for Garma and while she and Dozle had their disagreements, it wasn't near as bad as between her and Gihren (who she had been planning to kill a long while, hence her various 'Ace Units' that became essentially Test Pilots for all the good they were doing for the war effort), it's her one good trait that keeps her from being most evil Zabi (though considering the top of THAT list is Literal Space Hitler....)
The best parts of Origin, from someone who saw UC0079 first: - Seeing how Ramba Ral and Crowley Hamon's team came together. This is the one team you see in the original series that are so loyal to not just homeland, but to each other. And it makes them intriguing. - Seeing more of Dozle Zabi. Dozle and Garma are the only two Zabis that seem to be genuinely likable people. Giving him that case of survivor's guilt was brilliant. - Paying attention to source material rather than retconning. A few things are retconned, but in very minor passable ways that service the story better. But I can't think of any character in Origin that does something blatantly out of character for their time in 0079.
Dozle also goes out in a way that is semi honorable as well. Hes protecting his men and his kids so giving him a survivors guilt storyline, explains his most memorable decisiom
Few things are retconned? Bro, the personality of a bunch of characthers is retconned, Amuro was a spoiled kid in the original that confronted everyone as if he was always right, in Origin he is a moron disconnected from his reality because he is looking at his dad computer, Kai in MSG is a coward that hides his fears in sarcasm and "I don't care", in Origin he is a deliquent that steals a construction machine to invade a military base (?), Garma in the ending of Origin has zero of the confidence he displays in MSG, in the academy I thought was good because was demonstrating how much he grow because Char's influence, but no apparently, he just is a coward. Also everyone, and I mean EVERYONE (except Char for obvious Gary Stu reasons), is a shouting lunatic in perfectly silent rooms in any situation, is irritating when the team of animators think that the only way to add tension to a conversation is making everyone shout constantly like buffoons. Also retconning the mobile suits development of the federation for that early just misses the point of the original that they are losing a war because they didn't see potential in MS, in Origin they are just idiots that made a crappy MS that a tiny principality with limited resources could surpass easily. I don't tink all the retcons are bad but is far from a good prequel to MSG, is a completely diferent take on the story, it doesn't add context, it changes the context.
Also, ALSO. It's left ambiguous whether or not Degwin actually assassinated Zeon Zum Deikun, at least in the origin version. At least, that's the impression I got. But it was definitely Kycillia who assassinated Sasro.
@@popburnsy3207 IIRC in the magna, it's inferred that Kycilla did it because Sasro slapped and insulted her. There's a few panels of Kycilla smirking after Sasro left the room.
What I also like with The Origin is how Zeon was shown to be nothing like what people tended to assume initially - a benevolent, philosophical visionary whom was unjustly assassinated and had his lofty vision co-opted by a fascist, extremist, family for their own gain. Instead, Zeon is shown to be not that far off from the Zabi family. If anything, the Zabi family's actions are all but the next logical step to Zeon's own extremism; going from simply spouting speech and ideas to military action in order to carry out those ideas.
@@HalfDemonInuyasha Yes, it's definitely an interesting take. I almost want to infer he actually DID have a heart attack rather than assassination. It'd make things all that much more tragic.
I'm with you Mahbu. Degwin gives the image and impression of an ugly bastard and evil schemer. BUT, only the impression though, because every single dialogue spoken by that character after his friend Zeon's death, is of a caring person to his family and subordinates. I even believe he was telling the truth to Admiral Revil, in that he wanted to end the war for real, without more bloodshed. The real Son of Bitch and most likely Zeon's murderer here, was Gihren. And Kycilia to a lesser degree.
Sociopath or no, The Origin makes it surprisingly easy to empathize with him. He was old enough to understand that his father was assassinated, and he's cultivated that rage well, despite how many people have tried to screw him over.
I want to. I have watched probably all the Alternate time line gundams. But for UC. I only watched Unicorn. Do you have any recommendations on how to begin the UC line. Because UC time line os the only thing i have yet to understand.
Watch the original 0079, Zeta, and Char's Counterattack. You can skip ZZ and other side story stuff though it's recommended by many such as 8th MS team and War in the Pocket.
I’d actually argue that watching the original Gundam movies then The Origin would be a better way to go. That way, you’re introduced to the world and the main conflict. The Origin has a lot of references and nods to the original series that is definitely lost to new comers. Side note, I think Gundam 00 is a great gateway into Gundam fandom in my opinion
Degwin would never harm his own children. Sasro's assassination was entirely on Kycillia after Sasro hit her because she is a spiteful monster. Degwin is just sly enough to use it to his own ends, but he's a family first kind of person. Complicit bastard, but blood is blood to him, to the point where he wouldn't even raise a hand against Gihren even after calling his son a wannabe Hitler. Personal favourite Gundam series is a tie between War in the Pocket and the Thunderbolt: December Sky. Bandit Flower is decent but December Sky is tied with War in the Pocket as both of them come at the War Sucks theme from entirely different angles. War in the Pocket is about how good people and children are affected by war, choosing to do what is right even when it is hopeless. Thunderbolt is about how war is so all consuming that it can utterly destroy a person and leave them a broken shell.
@@Head_Turnah i assume u mean the movies (which i must get around to watching), but what ive seen from the ovas and tv show especially, i really like it
okan Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, the anime that ATTACKED ON TITAN before it was popular. 😝😝😝😝😝 But seriously I’m not kidding. So many coincidences and parallels.
@Amfram Sunrise definetly has the largest library of mecha anime compared to any other studio, a side from Franxx i do feel Trigger's been pretty consistent and i hope for more in the future.
The good thing about getting into Gundam with Seed as a fifth grader is that I had no where to go but up as my tastes developed and my interest grew. Zeta and Turn A are my favorites, but I'm also fond of ZZ and X.
@@Erk1234567 It's essentially a remake of the original gundam that deviates towards the conclusion. I honestly had some fun seeing how they reinterpreted some classic archetypes and moments tho I can't call myself a fan
@@anenemystand5582 I've watched Seed like 4 times, both for nostalgia and for actually watching it critically. I think it has a lot going for it that no one wants to admit, but it DOES get dragged down by melodrama. Despite that, I still think it's a fun show
ZZ and first season of SEED are my favourites, for different reasons. I really HATED (and enjoyed) the way SEED forces it's characters into such awful situations, making childhood friends fight etc. I loved ZZ for it's use of the kids from "the wrong side of the tracks" as a departure from Amuro "my dad built this thing" Ray. And the dialogue this lead to, especially regarding the "guy" with the flower.
G Gundam also still had likeable characters and a decent overall plot with some nice twists. 08th MS Team is the true anti-SEED / SEED Destiny in terms of the whole, "We shouldn't be fighting!", schtick, which makes me appreciate it more.
Origin is, while not completely canon to the main timeline, provides a lot of context and ideas that can be considered helpful (and canon) to the main timeline. Events such as the civil unrest in Zum City after Daikum's death, development of Mobile Suits, the area somewhere in South America called Jaburo, Revil getting captured by the Black 3 Stars and then escaping to make his speech, Ramba Ral's and Hamon Crowley's relationship, and most importantly Char's journey to become an Ace pilot that will eventually go to Side 7 to destroy the Gundam. Not to mention that Amuro's attitude by the start of the original series is briefly explained in Origin, him being mostly by himself while his father is always away at work and eventually discovering what his father is working with right before the attack on Side 7 happened. Take note that the Origin OVA fits within the Origin manga, a re-telling of the original series. It's different from the original series/movie trilogy, but the overall ideas are the same (improved even in most cases).
As someone who got into Gundam recently, I'd recommend the movie trilogy of the original series, THEN Origin. It makes Origin so much better and less confusing. And the dramatic irony being set up is amazing. Overall, Origin on its own = good anime Origin after seeing the films = AMAZING anime
@@thevenom2731Same. The pacing of the movies is too fast and you lose tons of character moments. Ryu is barely a character in the movies. In the show he's integral
I actually really liked the fights in the original Mobile Suit Gundam. The limited animation made the mechs actually feel like they're in space, being piloted by humans who only have a couple years experience.
This show got me hooked into Gundam, and to think prior to this show, I really had no idea where to start, after watching this I started watching the original 1979 anime and I gotta say, Gundam is AMAZING! Its branding makes you think it's all about mechas battling it out, but to the core of the show is really about the politics of war and the relationship among its main characters during times of war. The plot is handled with great care and is very sophisticated that it is really are catered to a mature audience. Gundam is definitely not for kids, but it wouldn't hurt for kids to give the show a try. Now I know why Gundam is a legend that deserves its place among the Mt Rushmore of Anime.
Same for me. Stardust Memory was pretty good too, but I got my start with Gundam Wing and Gundam X. I watched Seed and Seed Destiny in highschool, but those two are pretty cookie-cutter.
@CommandoDude I'd say S1 was mediocre and S2 was better but not amazing looking at it from a story and character point of view. It's fun to watch but the plot and characters fall pretty flat. Also the info dumping in S1 that occurred pretty much every other episode and character motivations that seemed good until the next episode when they went back on things was kind of annoying, but Mari Okada did pen the show and sadly her works tend to have this issue specifically of being a little inconsistent and just an info dump show because apparently no one's smart enough to pay attention.
@@jholt8518 "The ending was a meme" At this point in our lives, everything can be meme-fied in this golden age of social media. There's even memes for masterpieces like Citizen Kane. Thus, memes do not speak for quality. It can't really be used as an argument.
To be fair, the guy in the cowboy hat was a spy sent by Kcyillia to watch them, so his quest to kill the Zabi family wasn't totally unwarranted since they knew where he lived and would have hunted him regardless of whether he stayed on the colony.
The unicorn series is what brought me into the Gundam franchise and made me a huge fan. I loved the fights, but I made zero sense on who was who and what were what and who the good guys were. Then I watched the Origin when it aired on Toonami and it finally cleared everything up and properly educated me on the UC timeline. For anyone wishing to start getting into UC, especially any of the One year war shows. the Origin is a MUST.
I agree with Yazzie! McGillis did NOTHING WRONG! NOR DID GAELIO!! RUSTAL DID EVERYTHING WRONG! Edit: not even ten seconds after posting and my comment already has a like lol
Japan is weird, so I just chock that up to another case of Japan being weird af. It also was am arranged marriage but he did actually love her. But other than that questionable shit. McGillis did nothing wrong.
Origin turned me into a Char Apologist. Also, the dub was on Hulu and Prime for a while. It may still be there. I watched Origin on Hulu with 8th Mobile Suit Team.
@CommandoDude I don't even remember it stating that "guys from space colonies want independence so they attack us to fight for it" and that would be the very basic outline of One Year War to get WHY are they fighting in the first place. As is we only have "Yeah, we're feddies and we fight zeeks."
Yeah, but why would I want to watch Gundam when I can just read the superior Bionicle books. Kappa Edit: Also, Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt is an amazing jumping-on point.
Which would mean adapting The Origin manga in its entirety, since the Char backstory part is a relatively small chunk of the manga. Only about one volume or so.
Yeah. Do a movie trilogy just like the original wil the origins retelling of the story. 2 hours long each movie and it can be done easily, especially considering that the origin's pacing is much closer to the movie trilogy than to that of the full series.
I don't know where this meme that "the Gundam timeline is difficult" came from, but it's not true at all. It's real simple. Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's Counterattack. Easy. That's a tough call which one is the best. I can give my favorites: 0080, 0083, G Gundam, ZZ Gundam.
I went through the first three OVAs over the last two days, all dubbed in English, and definitely enjoyed the performances there in. But Chris Niosi’s Garma Zabi absolutely steals the entire dub for me; he is HBO Original Series-level effective in the role.
Gundam 00 is also a really good stand alone Gundam series and is also on crunchyroll and has two seasons followed by a movie, and will be getting a sequel series soon!
As a fan of the UC Gundam, I'm telling people: do not start with The Origin. It misrepresents both the universe and the personality of a few of its core characters. It's like trying to get into Star Trek by watching the 2009 movie and then going to the original series.
Definitely agree here. My dad likes his fair share of anime, but showing him The Origin first before OG Gundam only gave him the impression that almost everyone was an irredeemable asshole. Not exactly the best way to get into a franchise...
I disagree, I've tried watching the og gundam before and just couldn't get into it. But after reading origin and reading origin manga it's made me wanna try watching it again. And origin is great bc it also digs more into the characters more. Idk i like the drama and more detailed information in origin.
@@CEO0FMILFS There's a problem in the details Origin depicts, born out of fanservice and rule of cool. The original show worked hard to present complex themes while struggling with the fact that it was meant to be an ad for toys. Origin is just the toy ad. It's a fun show, I enjoyed the movies quite a bit. If you want to go back to the original, all the better. But if you think it's the "real" story you're missing out on what the original show was presenting. I usually recommend starting with the compilation movies, as a compromise. That or War in the Pocket.
It should be noted, I feel, that origin is kinda a retcon/alternative telling of the events leading up to the one war. My understanding is it changes key elements.
@@Giving50prcnt I believe so. The federation having anything like mobile suits before the Gundam is definitely not part of the original canon. There was no Pre gundam "early" gun tank or "early" gun canon. And as far as I'm aware Sasro is an original character to Origin.
@@Mahbu Aye, the Feddies mostly had Type-61 tanks and aircraft like Saberfish before "Project V" in the original. That was why the Gundam, Guncannon and Guntank, and their data, were so vital. Although technically the Guntank was the first of the three prototypes, it wasn't deployed anywhere until White Base, let alone mass-produced and distributed across several colonies. Even the ground combat Gundams from 08th MS Team were made with spare parts from Project V, well into the war. Lends credence to the alternate universe theory.
@@Blodhelm I could understand the Gun Tank Early Model but the Gun Cannon Early model seemed bizarre, though not as bizarre as them being completely incapable of keeping up with the Zaku I.
Ok. To anyone who hears shit about ZZ and want to skip it, let me try to talk you out of it. The biggest flaws on ZZ are having to follow Zeta and a way too light hearted start. I'd recommend watching Stardust Memories after Zeta, then watch ZZ.
Tomino was going through severe depression at the end of Zeta, hence the bleak ending. ZZ the producers told him to dial it back a bit. The second half of ZZ is actually some of the best Gundam ever, just so hard to get into.
Thank you so much for this video, Geoff. I was waiting for someone to discuss Gundam: The Origin at length. I am absolutely blown away by the show, not only for it's writing and characters, but the memorable action and gorgeous CGI. This video will help more people see it.
I recently watched this in a series of lockdown 'dates' with a guy who loves Gundam. Kind of a watching anime each other likes kinda thing. He seemed amazed and happy when I was on Casval's side and I really don't get why 'Char did nothing wrong' is such a big deal, he literally didn't.
While I really really enjoyed Origin by watching it immediately after 0079, my opinion is the more people who can check it out in any form, the better! Thank you for this video. now I need that every-char-is-here shirt and the plush zaku head. immediately. where to cop
What really got me into the gundam series was actually Gunpla. I love building the model kits is so fun and I bled into the anime, specifically Iron-Blooded orphans
The first Gundam Origin OVA is LEGITIMATELY one of my favourite pieces of anime ever conceived. As a Gundam fan it does justice to every single character from the original series and what made it great. Its political aspects and elaborate betrayals. And Dozle is STILL the best Zabi and so pure. The weirdest part though, is no one acknowledges Char's existence for the first 25 minutes. Anyway, best Gundam because it has all the best aspects of Gundam and the only series without a Romeo and Juliet complex.
I think gundam origin is more for people who already knows the base of gundam, as this is like a prequel to a franchise, only those who knows the story well will understand easter eggs and origins, but for beginners, I wouldn't suggest this to them, they wont be able to feel what we feel..
I helped a guy on Twitter with a chronological gundam watch list. He gave me a hat. also for the love of God will someone please license the original 43 episode series? Also gundam the origin is on Hulu if you've got it
@@BaronVonFisticuffs I have to go to work. it takes like 10 minutes to explain. like MB said this is as early in the universal century as you can get, so Origins is a great entry. I'll explain in like 7 hours
@@BaronVonFisticuffs Ok so I'm home. The Universal century can be divided into 3 sections. The first is the main conflict which sets in motion all of the others: The One Year War Era. This period consists of multiple anime taking place within the same year as eachother. Spoilers, the good guys win in every anime. that's not much of a spoiler but y'know just sayin. Our story begins in Gundam the origin, which tells of the lead up to and the first few battles of the One Year War. Despite its name the Titular Gundam only appears as design plans. It's an amazing experience and is among the best things sunrise ever produced. Gundam the origin fills in all the blanks and sets you up for the main series perfectly. From here on in you are free to watch the following anime in any order you want. they all start within months of eachother and end around the same time. I will list them by start date relative to the original show. The next series in the time line is the OVAs of Gundam Igloo, which tells the story of a group of engineers fighting for zeon with one off wonderweapons. Igloo has weird cgi faces, and starts 6 months before the original anime and its first episode takes place at the tail end of Origins. It's a great watch for the action and story, and shows the stress Zeon faces to keep its weapons up to par. Gundam Igloo goes on to the end of the OYW, and has a second series that shows the federation fighting desperately to keep zeon in line. It's actually my favorite series, and you can probably find it on RUclips. the blue ray costs 100 bucks, but there is always piracy if you cant find it. it was never dubbed but subs exist. Next on our list, after 6 movies and a spinoff OVA, is the one and only Mobile Suit Gundam 1979. You can watch the movies. they are shorter and a bit more touched up. I didn't. Gundam 1979 with its 43 episodes has charm and character beyond watch time. frames get reused occasionally, but the world it sets up is massive and beautiful. there is so much hope and brutality. It's really good. the animation is dated, but the fight choreography is amazing. everyone is moving and fighting. Every character grows and has their motivations. timeless classic. Next up is Mobile Suit Gundam: the 08th MS team. starting about 10 episodes into 1979, this 13 ep series tells the tale of pilots serving in eastAsia, equipped with the potent gundam groundtypes, a suit between the gundam and the mass produced GM. its charming, campy, and is basically gundam M.A.S.H. also the animation is God tier 90s awesomeness. Next up on our list is gundam 080. This anime takes place just as the war comes to an end, and puts the war is hell knob all the way to ten. ridiculously brutal. its only available subbed though.
Origins is very good for the UC timeline as the UC timeline shows are decentralized and generally use the One Year War as a backdrop. Origins help set the stage which lets you explore the other series if you don't wanna watch the OG series. OVAs and miniseries like 8th MS team and War in the Pocket all become better once you learn the reason for the war. It also feeds into the message of war being bad, as the numerous character dramas and sacrifices are ultimately all caused by the tragedy of the death of Zeon, which Origins actually leaves ambiguous as to whether or not Degwin murdered him, if the official story that Earth Fed actually murdered him, or if he just suffered a badly timed heart attack and the Zabis only used it to further their own ends.
I only recently started getting into Gumdan through what I am told is the most untraditional Gundam anime of all time. In my personal opinion, those who are new should even consider Iron Blooded Orphans as a go to. With no real relevance to the overarching narrative of traditional Gundam, I still feel it upholds many of its iconic storytelling elements (minus the excessive game of thrones body count...) like its maturity in the subject matter of death, fights with absolute purpose, fighting choreography etc. But of course, that's just personal preference.
If you don’t mind being a little lost in the sauce Mobile Suit Gundam the 08th ms team is fantastic and Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam being my personal favorite is very good too but it’s still a little dated due to it being from the 80’s
The Origin is good but a lot of what makes it good will fly right over the heads of the uninitiated. At least watch and finish 0079 before checking it out, TV preferred but if you can't stomach it then the movies are an okay substitute with the third just straight up being really good and worth watching even after the TV series. Also tonally The Origin is a little unorthodox compared to the rest of the major UC timeline so it might not give you a good idea of what the series is really like.
I think either the movies or tv series is fine. I think that it’s really a gamble, because it’s pretty split on which version is better. Some people think that the films are far superior, another others say the series is way better. It’s really up to the person
Not all of them. Actually, not most of them. There are timelines released online which can steer you in the right order. Though a LOT of OVA side stories stick around the time of the original series, so doing it all in order means you're watching a ton of One Year War material that doesn't actually progress the world at all. The most essential ones to watch in my opinion are the First Gundam movie trilogy then Zeta Gundam, Double Zeta, and Char's Counterattack. After those, you have all the context you need any proceeding or preceding stories.
Here's the easiest way to get the most out of it, in timeline order Origin 0079 movie Trilogy Stardust Memory(optional) Zeta Char's Counterattack Unicorn That's all the important*coughCharandAmuro* ones. Most OVAs are set during the war in the original series so they can be digested at literally any point and all other Tomino led UC stuff is complete garbage.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend someone use The Origin as a gateway into Gundam. It's based on the Origin manga and because of that has a bunch of retcons that don't line up with the actual UC timeline, you won't get as much out of seeing life before the One Year War without already being invested in UC and personally speaking, it's not that good. It felt like the equivalent of a someone yelling in my ear "Isn't Char the COOOOLEST?!" for 6 episodes.
Just watched a video with the first fight in the series, and I call bullshit on the claim that the og looks like shit, it had my absolute and utter attention and I gave zero shits on how it looked technically
@@hibubgames7667 The plot is a way more advanced and had too much more character develoment and themes than the original of 79. The OVAs of h Origin are pure gold, but the manga is a much more complete experience
Uh, I don't recommend to Watch Unicorn without watch the other series that preceded it in timeline, cause it have too much references, mainly to CCA, after all the main technology is the Psycho frame. But yes, watch UC by timeline seems a amazing experience. Something that I can't have cause I watch Gundam since 2000...
While I am aware that many (most) Gundam watchers are not the biggest fan of Seed/Seed destiny those were the first Gundam shows I watched so I have a certain soft spot for them, but I certainly have seen more quality Gundam later like 00 and many others. I have serious problems with the first Gundam show though, I have started several times and only once I think I got to the third episode before I gave up. So I have never really gotten into the original timeline stuff, so I guess I have really just watched all the outliers. I really wish they would make a live action movie though... Wait, let me rephrase that. I wish they would make a GOOD, or at least decent live action Gundam movie. The one that.... didn't get produced and only lives in dark nightmares didn't even have the guts to actually CALL it Gundam gundam it. Anyway, maybe I'll have a look at this thing. Maybe. ;-)
Early UC has become a bloated mess, yet they just keep stapling more to it while late UC goes to waste. I'd also make the point that the original movie trilogy is a better start point, as you'll be more familiar with the feel of what continues into Zeta and CCA (nevermind ZZ for now). The Origin was a fun revision of what we were used to, with lots of neat little tweaks that people had been saying "oh, it would make more sense like this" for years, but then the whole Char thing started and... yeah. As someone who bought all the manga volumes on release, there was a strong period of "what the fuck am I reading" after the halfway point. It had a distinct Episode 1 feel to me, giving silly explanations for things that didn't need explaining. Which would a new viewer be better off watching? If they don't mind the age of the movies, I'd stand by them, as going into Zeta and beyond without having experienced the "Tomino touch" from the start may lead them into watching something they just don't like. Zeta and the rest of Tomino's works have a very distinctive style (ESPECIALLY dialogue) that some people just can't stomach. If the age of the movies IS an issue... well, they'll be having more of that in Zeta.
@CommandoDude i'm talking about the Mobile suits themselves their supposed to be fighting in Jupiter space and mind you we only have one reference towards Jupiter which is Paptimus Scirocco and his 5 Almost alien like mobile suits
Well there’s not many people who like late UC, and nostalgia pandering makes it even harder. UC kinda just seems dead after the 80s. Also Zeta has aged pretty well, I don’t know why that’s an issue
I love that you first watched IBO. That was my intro to Gundam because it aired on Toonami a while back. I then got my husband to watch it with me and then we watched the Origin and watched summaries of the original trilogy and are now watching as much of the sequel series based on the original that we can. We've become invested and it all started with IBO for us :)
I got into Gundam because of TransFormers, after seeing mobile suits transforming into tanks & jets, etc. My FIRST Gundam was with the First Gundam Movie Trilogy, 0080: War In The Pocket & 0083: Stardust Memory in Japanese. My first Gundam English dub, aside from Endless Waltz, was Gundam SEED on Toonami (even with the disco guns, in the Toonami edit). Iron Blooded Orphans is my least favorite, because of how it ended.
If you don't want to watch the original anime and you don't mind reading, I recommend reading the original Gundam the Origin manga, it integrates both the original story and the prequel story for Char and Sayla seamlessly.
Honestly the animation of MSG 1979 was a little jarring at first, but by episode 8 or so I was completely hooked. I tried watching Origin first but after the 1st episode I could tell there was a lot that I was missing
Gundam is fundamentally the reason why I decided to study to become an engineer.
So did you build your own robot already?
I respect it
How disappointed are you that mecha will never be reality?
I trust in you dude! Deliver the Zaku!
Gunpla dont count 😂
"... and give Dozle Zabi a big hug." Once the BIG HUG is mass produced, we'll crush the Federation!
I still think of Dozle as "that Frankenstein Zabi"
Oh, hey, Big Zam.
If this comment doesn't get a mass of likes, we'll riot.
you win wars with hugs.
tfw there's still no HGUC Big Zam
"Killing his own sons" - That really doesn't seem to be something Degwin could ever do. Even when he knows how frightening Gihren and Kycilia is, he refuses to stop them. He loves his children.
I always assumed Sasero was killed by Kycilia. She offs people the way we eat popcorn and he had just physically harmed her not long before, treating her like absolute garbage. We know she's a sibling killer to begin with from the actual show. Just seems like she had to be the one to do it.
I agree, when you watch the show/OVA, you get the impression that Degwin killed Sasro, but in the manga it gives the impression that Kycilia was the one who did
@@agitatedtofu2511 what? Degwin let his son become space Hitler and never once tried to stop him. Also kycilila doesn't even emote when her brother is killed and instead tells garma to stop crying
you are correct because Kycillia is the one who killed Sasero. Her brother Gihren knew that all along, and told her once.
@@agitatedtofu2511 it's definitely Kycillia, she doesn't give a fuck if Gihren or Dozzle dies let alone her father's this is also the reason why Char rose to infamy aswell
@@yi_hou3092 Ironic thing is: SHE DOES care for the Zabi Family though she definitely is more than willing to kill a problem or two. She loved her father, she obviously cared for Garma and while she and Dozle had their disagreements, it wasn't near as bad as between her and Gihren (who she had been planning to kill a long while, hence her various 'Ace Units' that became essentially Test Pilots for all the good they were doing for the war effort), it's her one good trait that keeps her from being most evil Zabi (though considering the top of THAT list is Literal Space Hitler....)
"Char Aznable did nothing wrong"
- waifu material
But he really didn't.
Casval and Griffith did nothing wrong
@@martialarts4095 Ah, I see you're a sociopath as well
Rau Lecruse did nothing wrong!
He did nothing wrong till he tried to drop Axis
Nothing but respect for ya girl holding you at gunpoint lol
you mean GUNDAMpoint :D
You mean at beam rifle point.
she's doing god's work
@@HaloFTW55 It's not a beam rifle... and honestly that's the funniest part. The gendum fan costume is really rounded up by that splattershot.
@@ExeloMinish It's a beam spray gun used by the GMs.
The best parts of Origin, from someone who saw UC0079 first:
- Seeing how Ramba Ral and Crowley Hamon's team came together. This is the one team you see in the original series that are so loyal to not just homeland, but to each other. And it makes them intriguing.
- Seeing more of Dozle Zabi. Dozle and Garma are the only two Zabis that seem to be genuinely likable people. Giving him that case of survivor's guilt was brilliant.
- Paying attention to source material rather than retconning. A few things are retconned, but in very minor passable ways that service the story better. But I can't think of any character in Origin that does something blatantly out of character for their time in 0079.
Dozle also goes out in a way that is semi honorable as well. Hes protecting his men and his kids so giving him a survivors guilt storyline, explains his most memorable decisiom
Few things are retconned? Bro, the personality of a bunch of characthers is retconned, Amuro was a spoiled kid in the original that confronted everyone as if he was always right, in Origin he is a moron disconnected from his reality because he is looking at his dad computer, Kai in MSG is a coward that hides his fears in sarcasm and "I don't care", in Origin he is a deliquent that steals a construction machine to invade a military base (?), Garma in the ending of Origin has zero of the confidence he displays in MSG, in the academy I thought was good because was demonstrating how much he grow because Char's influence, but no apparently, he just is a coward. Also everyone, and I mean EVERYONE (except Char for obvious Gary Stu reasons), is a shouting lunatic in perfectly silent rooms in any situation, is irritating when the team of animators think that the only way to add tension to a conversation is making everyone shout constantly like buffoons.
Also retconning the mobile suits development of the federation for that early just misses the point of the original that they are losing a war because they didn't see potential in MS, in Origin they are just idiots that made a crappy MS that a tiny principality with limited resources could surpass easily.
I don't tink all the retcons are bad but is far from a good prequel to MSG, is a completely diferent take on the story, it doesn't add context, it changes the context.
I watched origins first and demn seeing all those characters having a roll and "origin" is fucking legendary to see 0079
Also, ALSO.
It's left ambiguous whether or not Degwin actually assassinated Zeon Zum Deikun, at least in the origin version. At least, that's the impression I got.
But it was definitely Kycillia who assassinated Sasro.
I'm under the impression that Degwin ordered it to happen. So, close enough
@@popburnsy3207 IIRC in the magna, it's inferred that Kycilla did it because Sasro slapped and insulted her. There's a few panels of Kycilla smirking after Sasro left the room.
What I also like with The Origin is how Zeon was shown to be nothing like what people tended to assume initially - a benevolent, philosophical visionary whom was unjustly assassinated and had his lofty vision co-opted by a fascist, extremist, family for their own gain.
Instead, Zeon is shown to be not that far off from the Zabi family. If anything, the Zabi family's actions are all but the next logical step to Zeon's own extremism; going from simply spouting speech and ideas to military action in order to carry out those ideas.
@@HalfDemonInuyasha
Yes, it's definitely an interesting take.
I almost want to infer he actually DID have a heart attack rather than assassination. It'd make things all that much more tragic.
I'm with you Mahbu. Degwin gives the image and impression of an ugly bastard and evil schemer. BUT, only the impression though, because every single dialogue spoken by that character after his friend Zeon's death, is of a caring person to his family and subordinates. I even believe he was telling the truth to Admiral Revil, in that he wanted to end the war for real, without more bloodshed. The real Son of Bitch and most likely Zeon's murderer here, was Gihren. And Kycilia to a lesser degree.
-"While he's not a character you can easily like or root for"
Last I checked, Char was the most popular character in all of Gundam.
You can appreciate a charachter without rooting for him
Interestingly, a multi country survey showed orga itsuka is the most popular character
Sociopath or no, The Origin makes it surprisingly easy to empathize with him. He was old enough to understand that his father was assassinated, and he's cultivated that rage well, despite how many people have tried to screw him over.
He's pretty much the sephiroth of gundam... or would sephiroth be the char's of final fantasy?
@@BigaloMax depends on which came first under that logic
The UC is one of the most important anime continuities ever produced. More people should be watching old school Gundam.
I second this.
Its the Master Race after all.
I tried watching 0079, but I couldn't get past the "Amuro! Amuro! Amuro!"
I want to. I have watched probably all the Alternate time line gundams. But for UC. I only watched Unicorn.
Do you have any recommendations on how to begin the UC line.
Because UC time line os the only thing i have yet to understand.
Watch the original 0079, Zeta, and Char's Counterattack. You can skip ZZ and other side story stuff though it's recommended by many such as 8th MS team and War in the Pocket.
Why you should watch Mobile Suit Gundam in 2 words:
Gallant Char
*trumpets can be heard from somewhere*
Or "Here comes Char"
3 times faster.
better reason: fat char
From Sleep
YES PLEASE encourage people to get into UC gundam THANK YOUUUUUU
I agree with this. Universal Century is high art.
Yeah but saying start with origin your just asking people to not continie
@@hibiki8473 How?
@@comradefreedom8275 because origin is a bad starting point. A lot of it honestly makes no sense without seeing the orriginal.
@@hibiki8473 I've been showing it to some friends before showing them the original, and they're understanding it just fine.
I’d actually argue that watching the original Gundam movies then The Origin would be a better way to go. That way, you’re introduced to the world and the main conflict. The Origin has a lot of references and nods to the original series that is definitely lost to new comers.
Side note, I think Gundam 00 is a great gateway into Gundam fandom in my opinion
00 is a terrible way to get into Gundam
00 is perfect, actually. My ex wife got into Gundam after I coerced her into watching 00. She quickly gobbled up every series she could find after.
@@CMTechnica 00 was the only reason I got into gundam.
Saw a poster for 00 at an anime convention around the time it was airing, and that got me hooked.
@@CMTechnica Why? I'm curious
Degwin would never harm his own children. Sasro's assassination was entirely on Kycillia after Sasro hit her because she is a spiteful monster. Degwin is just sly enough to use it to his own ends, but he's a family first kind of person. Complicit bastard, but blood is blood to him, to the point where he wouldn't even raise a hand against Gihren even after calling his son a wannabe Hitler.
Personal favourite Gundam series is a tie between War in the Pocket and the Thunderbolt: December Sky. Bandit Flower is decent but December Sky is tied with War in the Pocket as both of them come at the War Sucks theme from entirely different angles. War in the Pocket is about how good people and children are affected by war, choosing to do what is right even when it is hopeless. Thunderbolt is about how war is so all consuming that it can utterly destroy a person and leave them a broken shell.
Finally dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Universal Century, eh, Geoff? Good.
You needed it. :P
You should just watch mecha anime in general
Pat labor is pretty good, too. Has a lot of the same anti-war messages like Gundam.
@@Head_Turnah i assume u mean the movies (which i must get around to watching), but what ive seen from the ovas and tv show especially, i really like it
okan Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, the anime that ATTACKED ON TITAN before it was popular. 😝😝😝😝😝
But seriously I’m not kidding. So many coincidences and parallels.
@Amfram Sunrise definetly has the largest library of mecha anime compared to any other studio, a side from Franxx i do feel Trigger's been pretty consistent and i hope for more in the future.
Patlabor is great, the entire series in one blu-ray package too
The good thing about getting into Gundam with Seed as a fifth grader is that I had no where to go but up as my tastes developed and my interest grew.
Zeta and Turn A are my favorites, but I'm also fond of ZZ and X.
I honestly dont think seed is that bad. It falls in the meh category of gundam
@@anenemystand5582 I've since revisited Seed, and yeah I think it's pretty harmless all things considered.
@@Erk1234567 It's essentially a remake of the original gundam that deviates towards the conclusion. I honestly had some fun seeing how they reinterpreted some classic archetypes and moments tho I can't call myself a fan
@@anenemystand5582 I've watched Seed like 4 times, both for nostalgia and for actually watching it critically. I think it has a lot going for it that no one wants to admit, but it DOES get dragged down by melodrama. Despite that, I still think it's a fun show
ZZ and first season of SEED are my favourites, for different reasons. I really HATED (and enjoyed) the way SEED forces it's characters into such awful situations, making childhood friends fight etc. I loved ZZ for it's use of the kids from "the wrong side of the tracks" as a departure from Amuro "my dad built this thing" Ray. And the dialogue this lead to, especially regarding the "guy" with the flower.
G Gundam is the best for fun. 8th MS Team is the best for feeling like the real robot story is real
And Gundam 0080 War in the Pocket is best for crying your heart out.
G Gundam also still had likeable characters and a decent overall plot with some nice twists.
08th MS Team is the true anti-SEED / SEED Destiny in terms of the whole, "We shouldn't be fighting!", schtick, which makes me appreciate it more.
I (like MB) ) was a bit too young when Gundam Wing was on, but boy did I love G Gundam on Toonami. I still occasionally yell out burning finger lol
My favourite Gundam series is Iron Blooded Orphans. And I say this as someone who loves the original Mobile Suit Gundam.
@@ryansmith8 IBO is more like "What if White Base crew were loose againts Zeon and Feds HQ doesn't Help you at all"
Origin is, while not completely canon to the main timeline, provides a lot of context and ideas that can be considered helpful (and canon) to the main timeline. Events such as the civil unrest in Zum City after Daikum's death, development of Mobile Suits, the area somewhere in South America called Jaburo, Revil getting captured by the Black 3 Stars and then escaping to make his speech, Ramba Ral's and Hamon Crowley's relationship, and most importantly Char's journey to become an Ace pilot that will eventually go to Side 7 to destroy the Gundam. Not to mention that Amuro's attitude by the start of the original series is briefly explained in Origin, him being mostly by himself while his father is always away at work and eventually discovering what his father is working with right before the attack on Side 7 happened. Take note that the Origin OVA fits within the Origin manga, a re-telling of the original series. It's different from the original series/movie trilogy, but the overall ideas are the same (improved even in most cases).
my first gundam series was 00. got me into the franchise
And it's actually one of the weaker one's too.
@Peter Bergania Its writing is dumb and its art hasn't age to well , but it has fun performances and it's directed competently.
I just started with Build Fighters and branched out from there.
Gavin Erickson Only the second season
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 What? The writing is dumb in both seasons.
As someone who got into Gundam recently, I'd recommend the movie trilogy of the original series, THEN Origin.
It makes Origin so much better and less confusing. And the dramatic irony being set up is amazing.
Overall, Origin on its own = good anime
Origin after seeing the films = AMAZING anime
SAME HERE
I recommend the original show over the movies.
@@thevenom2731Same. The pacing of the movies is too fast and you lose tons of character moments. Ryu is barely a character in the movies. In the show he's integral
I gotta agree origin is almost a prequel
Thank you for this. Need younger voices like yours recommending the UC
I actually really liked the fights in the original Mobile Suit Gundam. The limited animation made the mechs actually feel like they're in space, being piloted by humans who only have a couple years experience.
I would say that there is good fights in the original series, but most of the fights were kinda lame.
Gundam fans cringed every time he says "Robots" instead of "Mobile Suits".
"Boruto's dad's boyfriend's girlfriend" just earned you a subscription.
Ditto
Girlfriend name again?
Favorite Gundams personally would be X,0083 and Zeta. Fav non Gundam mech series would be Armored Trooper Votoms, such an underrated show/franchise.
Votoms is absolutely fantastic. Highest recommendation from me.
Glad X is getting some love, 08th MS Team was a nice slice devoid of Newtypes and 0080 had some great designs but X really wrapped up the UC nicely.
@@Blodhelm But... "After War Gundam X" isn't set in UC Timeline... It's in its own "After War" timeline. Unless you think of Crossbone Gundam.
I'm such a weeb. Wing zero and Exia
@@AmigoRoberto 00 Gundam was great glad there's going to be a season3 tobad the movie ruined it
This show got me hooked into Gundam, and to think prior to this show, I really had no idea where to start, after watching this I started watching the original 1979 anime and I gotta say, Gundam is AMAZING! Its branding makes you think it's all about mechas battling it out, but to the core of the show is really about the politics of war and the relationship among its main characters during times of war. The plot is handled with great care and is very sophisticated that it is really are catered to a mature audience. Gundam is definitely not for kids, but it wouldn't hurt for kids to give the show a try. Now I know why Gundam is a legend that deserves its place among the Mt Rushmore of Anime.
My first Universal Century experience was The 8th MS Team. Such a great series.
Same for me. Stardust Memory was pretty good too, but I got my start with Gundam Wing and Gundam X. I watched Seed and Seed Destiny in highschool, but those two are pretty cookie-cutter.
i just started it yesterday and im already liking it
The first uc gundam i ever watched was thunderbolt, its pretty good
It's always fun to see one of my youtubers post about Gundam!
Zeta Gundam is my favorite in the series.
Just curious, what were your thoughts on Iron Blooded Orphans?
I would love to see a video on that
yeeeeeeeeeeaaaa boiiiiiii tekkadan mann. barbatos's design was awesomee
@CommandoDude I'd say S1 was mediocre and S2 was better but not amazing looking at it from a story and character point of view. It's fun to watch but the plot and characters fall pretty flat. Also the info dumping in S1 that occurred pretty much every other episode and character motivations that seemed good until the next episode when they went back on things was kind of annoying, but Mari Okada did pen the show and sadly her works tend to have this issue specifically of being a little inconsistent and just an info dump show because apparently no one's smart enough to pay attention.
IBO’s setting is way more interesting than the actual story. Also the ending was a meme.
@@jholt8518 "The ending was a meme"
At this point in our lives, everything can be meme-fied in this golden age of social media. There's even memes for masterpieces like Citizen Kane. Thus, memes do not speak for quality. It can't really be used as an argument.
To be fair, the guy in the cowboy hat was a spy sent by Kcyillia to watch them, so his quest to kill the Zabi family wasn't totally unwarranted since they knew where he lived and would have hunted him regardless of whether he stayed on the colony.
The unicorn series is what brought me into the Gundam franchise and made me a huge fan. I loved the fights, but I made zero sense on who was who and what were what and who the good guys were. Then I watched the Origin when it aired on Toonami and it finally cleared everything up and properly educated me on the UC timeline. For anyone wishing to start getting into UC, especially any of the One year war shows. the Origin is a MUST.
Idk why but I started with Gundam thunderbolt then I watched Unicorn right away and understood everything even with TB not being canon
I started with Hathaway and Unicorn.
After watching CCA a few months later, I finally understood a bit more from Hathaway's story.
@@matthewphilip2609 Thunderbolt is limbo. It's in a state of canonity, parallel but connected but not canon all at the same time.
I agree with Yazzie! McGillis did NOTHING WRONG! NOR DID GAELIO!! RUSTAL DID EVERYTHING WRONG!
Edit: not even ten seconds after posting and my comment already has a like lol
Iok worst boi, Akihiro best boi. But honestly I love his gf already lmfao
@@OscarGilFerrer the BIGGEST OF FACTS FROM BOTH OF YOU!!
McGillis never did nothing wrong? What about marrying his child bride?
Japan is weird, so I just chock that up to another case of Japan being weird af. It also was am arranged marriage but he did actually love her. But other than that questionable shit. McGillis did nothing wrong.
@@CrouTheBlackwing Yeah, Japan have a weird fascination with Lolis, but mainstream anime is rated tame compared to Hentai in that aspect.
Origin turned me into a Char Apologist. Also, the dub was on Hulu and Prime for a while. It may still be there. I watched Origin on Hulu with 8th Mobile Suit Team.
I'll also support 8th MS Team as a good intro point to watching Gundam.
It would be, but it's introduction to the conflict between Earth Federation and Zeon is too weak.
@CommandoDude I don't even remember it stating that "guys from space colonies want independence so they attack us to fight for it" and that would be the very basic outline of One Year War to get WHY are they fighting in the first place. As is we only have "Yeah, we're feddies and we fight zeeks."
@@Mattatiah95 Gihren Zabi gives his speech on the first episode while Shiro is in the transport.
08th MS Team all the way!
The problem with 08th MS Team is that every other series will feel subpar afterwards
Yeah, but why would I want to watch Gundam when I can just read the superior Bionicle books.
Kappa
Edit: Also, Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt is an amazing jumping-on point.
By Matanui!
hey sunrise
can you remake the original series origin style?
please?
no?
ok...
Which would mean adapting The Origin manga in its entirety, since the Char backstory part is a relatively small chunk of the manga. Only about one volume or so.
Honestly we need that, not an entire rewrite(but do extend the end to the original 50 episodes not the shitty 43) just an update to audio and visuals.
Yeah. Do a movie trilogy just like the original wil the origins retelling of the story. 2 hours long each movie and it can be done easily, especially considering that the origin's pacing is much closer to the movie trilogy than to that of the full series.
@@JackgarPrime 3
@@JackgarPrime we don't need that anyway....
I don't know where this meme that "the Gundam timeline is difficult" came from, but it's not true at all. It's real simple. Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's Counterattack. Easy.
That's a tough call which one is the best. I can give my favorites: 0080, 0083, G Gundam, ZZ Gundam.
Yamcha Kippur throw in stardust memory before zeta just to get the story you got it complete lol
0080 huh.
One word.
Hamburger
@@francesfuego6950 It's better to watch Zeta before 0083. That way, when you see Bask Om in 0083, you know he's going to be a dick.
*Liking ZZ*
Ah I see you're also a man of culture.
you forgot the real reason why this meme was created: f91 and V gundam
Last time I checked, Master Asia did nothing wrong.
His goal was admirable and worth supporting. It was just the path he took to try to get there that was misguided.
My finger is shining
MASTER ASIA WAS LEGIT RIGHT
Char also had the same motivation in Counterattack...
I went through the first three OVAs over the last two days, all dubbed in English, and definitely enjoyed the performances there in. But Chris Niosi’s Garma Zabi absolutely steals the entire dub for me; he is HBO Original Series-level effective in the role.
Don't you give me that Char did nothing wrong nonsense!
He did quite a bit wrong!
But he's never betrayed anyone in his life!
Quattro did nothing wrong.
He was a good boi. Never even hurt a fly😢😢😢
Char definitely did nothing wrong. It was obviously the misfortune of their birth's fault.
I love wing and seed due to just growing up with them, IBO is my personal favorite
Gundam 00 is also a really good stand alone Gundam series and is also on crunchyroll and has two seasons followed by a movie, and will be getting a sequel series soon!
It's good if you don't watch that movie. God, that movie is awful.
It's getting a sequel season? Nice
The only Gundam OO sequel i heard of was stage show for it's 10th anniversary.
08th MS team for its realness and love story, and 0083 for its craziness and love story. Gotta love a good love story 😍
Take notes George Lucas, THIS is how you establish a villain in a Space Opera. This saga puts the prequels to absolute shame.
Who isnt rooting for Char? Char is the real main character from the entire UC arc.
Never actually watched Gundam cause it never seemed interesting
That will be changing
If you like stories about the horrors of war, you'll like Gundam
War is Hell.
ROBOTS ARE COOL
You won’t be disappointed
Can easily recommend Unicorn, the 08th MS team, Thunderbolt gundam and even 00 Gundam
If you want a tale about the horrors of war and the struggle for a cause, Zeta Gundam is the best of the franchise
As a fan of the UC Gundam, I'm telling people: do not start with The Origin. It misrepresents both the universe and the personality of a few of its core characters. It's like trying to get into Star Trek by watching the 2009 movie and then going to the original series.
Definitely agree here. My dad likes his fair share of anime, but showing him The Origin first before OG Gundam only gave him the impression that almost everyone was an irredeemable asshole. Not exactly the best way to get into a franchise...
@@BrotherWalrus well if you look deep into nearly most characters... they actually are really big asshole
I disagree, I've tried watching the og gundam before and just couldn't get into it. But after reading origin and reading origin manga it's made me wanna try watching it again. And origin is great bc it also digs more into the characters more. Idk i like the drama and more detailed information in origin.
Agree 100% dozle zabi is the perfect example of how the characters are all parodies of their original depictions.
@@CEO0FMILFS There's a problem in the details Origin depicts, born out of fanservice and rule of cool. The original show worked hard to present complex themes while struggling with the fact that it was meant to be an ad for toys. Origin is just the toy ad.
It's a fun show, I enjoyed the movies quite a bit.
If you want to go back to the original, all the better. But if you think it's the "real" story you're missing out on what the original show was presenting.
I usually recommend starting with the compilation movies, as a compromise.
That or War in the Pocket.
It should be noted, I feel, that origin is kinda a retcon/alternative telling of the events leading up to the one war. My understanding is it changes key elements.
The Origin manga is sorta a retcon of the OYW and some people say it should be considered a separate timeline rather than canon.
Yeah, it's basically a slightly alternate universe to the anime/films.
Same with Mobile Suit Gundam: Thunderbolt.
@@Giving50prcnt I believe so.
The federation having anything like mobile suits before the Gundam is definitely not part of the original canon.
There was no Pre gundam "early" gun tank or "early" gun canon.
And as far as I'm aware Sasro is an original character to Origin.
@@Mahbu Aye, the Feddies mostly had Type-61 tanks and aircraft like Saberfish before "Project V" in the original. That was why the Gundam, Guncannon and Guntank, and their data, were so vital. Although technically the Guntank was the first of the three prototypes, it wasn't deployed anywhere until White Base, let alone mass-produced and distributed across several colonies. Even the ground combat Gundams from 08th MS Team were made with spare parts from Project V, well into the war.
Lends credence to the alternate universe theory.
@@Blodhelm I could understand the Gun Tank Early Model but the Gun Cannon Early model seemed bizarre, though not as bizarre as them being completely incapable of keeping up with the Zaku I.
Ok. To anyone who hears shit about ZZ and want to skip it, let me try to talk you out of it. The biggest flaws on ZZ are having to follow Zeta and a way too light hearted start. I'd recommend watching Stardust Memories after Zeta, then watch ZZ.
Tomino was going through severe depression at the end of Zeta, hence the bleak ending.
ZZ the producers told him to dial it back a bit. The second half of ZZ is actually some of the best Gundam ever, just so hard to get into.
I would say it’s also one of its biggest strengths. The goodwill of Zeta made me push through the first few episodes.
Oo, that makes me hyped for ZZ because the bleakness of Zeta can be a real turn off for me sometimes
Thank you so much for this video, Geoff. I was waiting for someone to discuss Gundam: The Origin at length. I am absolutely blown away by the show, not only for it's writing and characters, but the memorable action and gorgeous CGI. This video will help more people see it.
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I love your wife holding you at gunpoint to watch it
10/10, I'm checking this forker out
08th MS Team is probably my favorite Gundam series, followed by 0083 Stardust Memory, then G Gundam because that series is just so much fun
It's weird how I know Gundam from the spinoff SD Gundam
Everone has to start somewhere
GUNDAM 08TH MS TEAM AND GUNDAM 083 STARDUST MEMORY ARE THE TWO BEST SIDE STORES EVER. LETS BATTLE.
Gundam 0080
Thunderbolt is better
Thank you thank you thank you for sharing the awesomeness that is Universal Century with the masses
I really wish U.C. Gundam series were more popular in the U.S. _Gundam Wing_ is such an overrated pile of melodramatic yaoi-bait garbage.
I recently watched this in a series of lockdown 'dates' with a guy who loves Gundam. Kind of a watching anime each other likes kinda thing. He seemed amazed and happy when I was on Casval's side and I really don't get why 'Char did nothing wrong' is such a big deal, he literally didn't.
While I really really enjoyed Origin by watching it immediately after 0079, my opinion is the more people who can check it out in any form, the better! Thank you for this video.
now I need that every-char-is-here shirt and the plush zaku head. immediately. where to cop
What really got me into the gundam series was actually Gunpla. I love building the model kits is so fun and I bled into the anime, specifically Iron-Blooded orphans
Those are my first gunplas too. Cheap and overall good products
Great video, thank you for hitting home how important the Anti-war message of Gundam is!
The first Gundam Origin OVA is LEGITIMATELY one of my favourite pieces of anime ever conceived. As a Gundam fan it does justice to every single character from the original series and what made it great. Its political aspects and elaborate betrayals. And Dozle is STILL the best Zabi and so pure.
The weirdest part though, is no one acknowledges Char's existence for the first 25 minutes.
Anyway, best Gundam because it has all the best aspects of Gundam and the only series without a Romeo and Juliet complex.
I think gundam origin is more for people who already knows the base of gundam, as this is like a prequel to a franchise, only those who knows the story well will understand easter eggs and origins, but for beginners, I wouldn't suggest this to them, they wont be able to feel what we feel..
I helped a guy on Twitter with a chronological gundam watch list.
He gave me a hat.
also for the love of God will someone please license the original 43 episode series?
Also gundam the origin is on Hulu if you've got it
As someone who's put off UC for far too long, do you have that list to hand?
Pretty sure right stuff anime owns almost all the gundam licenses in the west thus all the new blue ray releases.
@@BaronVonFisticuffs
I have to go to work. it takes like 10 minutes to explain.
like MB said this is as early in the universal century as you can get, so Origins is a great entry.
I'll explain in like 7 hours
@@BaronVonFisticuffs
Ok so I'm home.
The Universal century can be divided into 3 sections.
The first is the main conflict which sets in motion all of the others: The One Year War Era.
This period consists of multiple anime taking place within the same year as eachother.
Spoilers, the good guys win in every anime.
that's not much of a spoiler but y'know just sayin.
Our story begins in Gundam the origin, which tells of the lead up to and the first few battles of the One Year War. Despite its name the Titular Gundam only appears as design plans. It's an amazing experience and is among the best things sunrise ever produced.
Gundam the origin fills in all the blanks and sets you up for the main series perfectly.
From here on in you are free to watch the following anime in any order you want. they all start within months of eachother and end around the same time. I will list them by start date relative to the original show.
The next series in the time line is the OVAs of Gundam Igloo, which tells the story of a group of engineers fighting for zeon with one off wonderweapons.
Igloo has weird cgi faces, and starts 6 months before the original anime and its first episode takes place at the tail end of Origins. It's a great watch for the action and story, and shows the stress Zeon faces to keep its weapons up to par.
Gundam Igloo goes on to the end of the OYW, and has a second series that shows the federation fighting desperately to keep zeon in line. It's actually my favorite series, and you can probably find it on RUclips. the blue ray costs 100 bucks, but there is always piracy if you cant find it. it was never dubbed but subs exist.
Next on our list, after 6 movies and a spinoff OVA, is the one and only Mobile Suit Gundam 1979.
You can watch the movies.
they are shorter and a bit more touched up.
I didn't. Gundam 1979 with its 43 episodes has charm and character beyond watch time. frames get reused occasionally, but the world it sets up is massive and beautiful.
there is so much hope and brutality. It's really good. the animation is dated, but the fight choreography is amazing. everyone is moving and fighting. Every character grows and has their motivations.
timeless classic.
Next up is Mobile Suit Gundam: the 08th MS team. starting about 10 episodes into 1979, this 13 ep series tells the tale of pilots serving in eastAsia, equipped with the potent gundam groundtypes, a suit between the gundam and the mass produced GM.
its charming, campy, and is basically gundam M.A.S.H.
also the animation is God tier 90s awesomeness.
Next up on our list is gundam 080.
This anime takes place just as the war comes to an end, and puts the war is hell knob all the way to ten. ridiculously brutal. its only available subbed though.
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck Thanks, pal! I'll start with this. I really appreciate the help!
I love the original series especially the old shitty animation it’s probably just me but I like old anime like Gatchaman and Space Battleship Yamato
Seeing Char in action in that beautiful opening sequence was the greatest thrill ride I’ve had watching a piece of media.
The only Anime series I’ve committed myself to watching.
Origins is very good for the UC timeline as the UC timeline shows are decentralized and generally use the One Year War as a backdrop. Origins help set the stage which lets you explore the other series if you don't wanna watch the OG series. OVAs and miniseries like 8th MS team and War in the Pocket all become better once you learn the reason for the war. It also feeds into the message of war being bad, as the numerous character dramas and sacrifices are ultimately all caused by the tragedy of the death of Zeon, which Origins actually leaves ambiguous as to whether or not Degwin murdered him, if the official story that Earth Fed actually murdered him, or if he just suffered a badly timed heart attack and the Zabis only used it to further their own ends.
I prefer some things being vague, better to speculate sometimes
I'm a big fan of 0083 stardust memory and the 08th MS team. Unicorn is also amazing and beautiful.
FINALLY! So beautiful watching my beloved Mecha franchise bloom from obscurity to booming with more new fans every year. ❤
I only recently started getting into Gumdan through what I am told is the most untraditional Gundam anime of all time. In my personal opinion, those who are new should even consider Iron Blooded Orphans as a go to. With no real relevance to the overarching narrative of traditional Gundam, I still feel it upholds many of its iconic storytelling elements (minus the excessive game of thrones body count...) like its maturity in the subject matter of death, fights with absolute purpose, fighting choreography etc.
But of course, that's just personal preference.
Gundam 00 is timeless, thank you Arcada
If you don’t mind being a little lost in the sauce Mobile Suit Gundam the 08th ms team is fantastic and Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam being my personal favorite is very good too but it’s still a little dated due to it being from the 80’s
So which one do you perfer:
Corrupt Federation or Power-Hungry Zeon?
Yes, I'm one month late to ask this question.
Well, the Zeon are explicitly supposed to make the viewer think about nazis.... so not them.
@@OmegaWyrm if the Revolutionary army became Nazis. Heil Washington!
The Origin is good but a lot of what makes it good will fly right over the heads of the uninitiated. At least watch and finish 0079 before checking it out, TV preferred but if you can't stomach it then the movies are an okay substitute with the third just straight up being really good and worth watching even after the TV series.
Also tonally The Origin is a little unorthodox compared to the rest of the major UC timeline so it might not give you a good idea of what the series is really like.
I think either the movies or tv series is fine. I think that it’s really a gamble, because it’s pretty split on which version is better. Some people think that the films are far superior, another others say the series is way better. It’s really up to the person
Please can you do a "How properly watch UC Gundam" video?
well they are numbered by the year they take place in
Not all of them. Actually, not most of them. There are timelines released online which can steer you in the right order. Though a LOT of OVA side stories stick around the time of the original series, so doing it all in order means you're watching a ton of One Year War material that doesn't actually progress the world at all.
The most essential ones to watch in my opinion are the First Gundam movie trilogy then Zeta Gundam, Double Zeta, and Char's Counterattack. After those, you have all the context you need any proceeding or preceding stories.
Here's the easiest way to get the most out of it, in timeline order
Origin
0079 movie Trilogy
Stardust Memory(optional)
Zeta
Char's Counterattack
Unicorn
That's all the important*coughCharandAmuro* ones. Most OVAs are set during the war in the original series so they can be digested at literally any point and all other Tomino led UC stuff is complete garbage.
@@DetectiveKen >recommends 0083
>calls tomino trash
Jesus just stop.
@@lemos360 A rogue Reconguista and Victory fan eh? Don't see... any of those...ever.
SPACE CRIMES AREN'T REAL, CHAR DID NOTHING WRONG.
Except everything. Everything Char does is morally objectionable.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend someone use The Origin as a gateway into Gundam. It's based on the Origin manga and because of that has a bunch of retcons that don't line up with the actual UC timeline, you won't get as much out of seeing life before the One Year War without already being invested in UC and personally speaking, it's not that good. It felt like the equivalent of a someone yelling in my ear "Isn't Char the COOOOLEST?!" for 6 episodes.
Just watched a video with the first fight in the series, and I call bullshit on the claim that the og looks like shit, it had my absolute and utter attention and I gave zero shits on how it looked technically
Animation quality amd directorial skill are two different things
I disagree. You should read Gundam: The Origin.
will do thank you for the recommendation
Really. The manga The origin had too more story and character development than the original anime from79
as someone who's read it, yes one should read The Origin Manga.
As someone who has read it and watched the original, why would you say that?
@@hibubgames7667 The plot is a way more advanced and had too much more character develoment and themes than the original of 79. The OVAs of h Origin are pure gold, but the manga is a much more complete experience
Uh, I don't recommend to Watch Unicorn without watch the other series that preceded it in timeline, cause it have too much references, mainly to CCA, after all the main technology is the Psycho frame.
But yes, watch UC by timeline seems a amazing experience. Something that I can't have cause I watch Gundam since 2000...
I soooo agree that Mcgillis did nothing wrong. ✊🏿✊🏿
While I am aware that many (most) Gundam watchers are not the biggest fan of Seed/Seed destiny those were the first Gundam shows I watched so I have a certain soft spot for them, but I certainly have seen more quality Gundam later like 00 and many others. I have serious problems with the first Gundam show though, I have started several times and only once I think I got to the third episode before I gave up. So I have never really gotten into the original timeline stuff, so I guess I have really just watched all the outliers.
I really wish they would make a live action movie though... Wait, let me rephrase that. I wish they would make a GOOD, or at least decent live action Gundam movie. The one that.... didn't get produced and only lives in dark nightmares didn't even have the guts to actually CALL it Gundam gundam it. Anyway, maybe I'll have a look at this thing. Maybe. ;-)
Early UC has become a bloated mess, yet they just keep stapling more to it while late UC goes to waste.
I'd also make the point that the original movie trilogy is a better start point, as you'll be more familiar with the feel of what continues into Zeta and CCA (nevermind ZZ for now).
The Origin was a fun revision of what we were used to, with lots of neat little tweaks that people had been saying "oh, it would make more sense like this" for years, but then the whole Char thing started and... yeah. As someone who bought all the manga volumes on release, there was a strong period of "what the fuck am I reading" after the halfway point. It had a distinct Episode 1 feel to me, giving silly explanations for things that didn't need explaining.
Which would a new viewer be better off watching? If they don't mind the age of the movies, I'd stand by them, as going into Zeta and beyond without having experienced the "Tomino touch" from the start may lead them into watching something they just don't like. Zeta and the rest of Tomino's works have a very distinctive style (ESPECIALLY dialogue) that some people just can't stomach.
If the age of the movies IS an issue... well, they'll be having more of that in Zeta.
@CommandoDude I think we already cover a lot of things in the OYW, plus don't dis on Crossbone gundam XD
@CommandoDude i'm talking about the Mobile suits themselves their supposed to be fighting in Jupiter space and mind you we only have one reference towards Jupiter which is Paptimus Scirocco and his 5 Almost alien like mobile suits
@@nikolasota4162 Im hoping that after the Hathaways flash adaptation they will remake f91 and then do crossbone
@@odetojoy1663 Hopefully
Well there’s not many people who like late UC, and nostalgia pandering makes it even harder. UC kinda just seems dead after the 80s. Also Zeta has aged pretty well, I don’t know why that’s an issue
I love that you first watched IBO. That was my intro to Gundam because it aired on Toonami a while back. I then got my husband to watch it with me and then we watched the Origin and watched summaries of the original trilogy and are now watching as much of the sequel series based on the original that we can. We've become invested and it all started with IBO for us :)
I'mma let you finish, but the 08th MS Team is the best Gundam series there is. Origin is pretty good though. ;-)
I'm definitely a filthy casual. Started with Wing, then got into Turn A, and now I'm enjoying the hell out of G-Witch.
I don’t know if someone who has seen Turn A is casual.
@@thomasffrench3639 okay, that's fair
"Char Aznable did nothing wrong."
*Deep Breath*
GURL
I got into Gundam because of TransFormers, after seeing mobile suits transforming into tanks & jets, etc. My FIRST Gundam was with the First Gundam Movie Trilogy, 0080: War In The Pocket & 0083: Stardust Memory in Japanese. My first Gundam English dub, aside from Endless Waltz, was Gundam SEED on Toonami (even with the disco guns, in the Toonami edit). Iron Blooded Orphans is my least favorite, because of how it ended.
If you don't want to watch the original anime and you don't mind reading, I recommend reading the original Gundam the Origin manga, it integrates both the original story and the prequel story for Char and Sayla seamlessly.
I just finished gundam Unicorn and watched everything before it because of gundam origin
Wing is my trash but from the UC, I gotta give shout outs to the 08th MS team.
Mad respect to your girl btw. My husband would approve
Honestly the animation of MSG 1979 was a little jarring at first, but by episode 8 or so I was completely hooked. I tried watching Origin first but after the 1st episode I could tell there was a lot that I was missing
Mobile suit Gundam: war in the pocket is my favorite.
08th Ms team is the close second.
The characters in those two shorter series are just amazing.
only seen origin and the 3 movies so far, Char is easily my fav character
Yep, that’s most people. Char is the most popular character in Gundam, especially in Japan.
You: Gundam Wing
Me, an intellectual: Mobile Suit Gundam
@3:50 char with a sword, char with a basketball, char with a zaku... evey reason hes my favorite character
I love Gundam: The Origin so much!
I didn't even realize that they made a Char Backstory show...I need to watch it
As a super-fangirl of Gundam, I say this pretty well made. I definitely agree. Origin sets you up way better than Unicorn.