Dimitar Iliyanov They have something called diffuser which uses same principle to make down force as the ground effect cars aka they are still using ground effect. Lotus wasn't first team to use ground effect btw. It was Williams who developed it first.
The famous scene from the movie "Grand Prix". By the way, the banking was not used for the Italian GP in 1966. The last time an F1 race was held on the combination of the road circuit and the oval was in 1961.
Circuits of the past they ran the oval in a practice session for the 1963 GP. There was a cut tire incident during the session so they decided not to run the oval for the race.
@@KenCostlow For F1 yes. The combined circuit was used by sports cars till 1970 and the short combination (oval and short road track) by bikes as late as 1990.
The video is from the 1966 movie "Grand Prix". The footage, while not in an actual race, is real. They mounted 1966 vintage movie cameras on actual cars (F3 I believe) as well as on GT camera cars. They hired actual race car drivers such as Phil Hill to drive. James Garner, one of the stars of the film, did a lot of his own driving. Do a search on RUclips for "making of Grand Prix", there are a few videos that show behind the scenes images of the making of the movie.
This oval in iRacing with NASCAR cup cars is fucking insane. 230mph into the corners in the draft and nowhere to run if a car should spin in front of you.
***** The Monza track is the same length and almost the same banking as the NASCAR track at Talladega...2.6 miles and 32 degrees of banking. It's a different configuration (Monza is a true oval whereas Talladega is a tri-oval), but what you're experiencing here is exactly what Cup drivers would experience at Dega without restrictor plates. The NASCAR Monza 500 would definitely be a plate race if it existed!!!!!
I have F1 Challenge 99--02 with the all seasons mod and i played this track in 2004 Ferrari and put 1 1 wings and RPM as high as possible... 398 kph through the oval😂 unrealistic but satisfying as fuck
You know this is a masterpiece film, Grand Prix (1966), when it's 50yrs old, yet still entices viewers - young and old - to be overwhelmed and delighted at what they are seeing & hearing. Well done Mr Frankenheimer. Well done sir.
Absolutely the finest racing movie ever made. I saw it 4 times when released at the Century 21 theaters in San Jose. It was like being in the car. Also looks extremely great on ultrawide monitors, not black bars, just pure movie.
God bless frankenheimer whose cinematic skills so artfully and accuratly convey the f1 experience of the golden age of european road racing. To watch the suspension compress on the banking with those skinny bias ply tires shows the uneveness of pavement and the sheer bravado of pushing the limit by the drivers.
That's not James Garner. It's Antonio Sabàto as Nino Barlini, Montand's Teammate. In Monza Garner drove (as Pete Aron) a silver/white car, named "Yamura" (according to Honda).
You didn't show Jean-Pierre's fatal crash. I guess I'll just have to dig through my old DVDs and watch it again. Anyway, this footage, for those who may not know it, is from the movie, "Grand Prix" with James Garner and Eva Marie Saint and others. As for realistic action years ahead of its time, this movie was fantastic.
Ho i brividi!!!! Mi sembra di aver capito dai commenti che si tratti di alcuni spezzoni di un film mai visto ne sentito ma che non esiteró nel cercare. Brividi!!
Back in 1957 they tried to hold a race on the Monza oval between Indy Cars, F1 cars and sports cars. In typical F1 form, the F1 drivers backed out claiming it was suicide. The Sports car guys from the Jaguar team stayed with it and raced the Indy cars. To be fair, the F1 guys were out of their element and probably spooked by the oval while the Indy car guys were doing business as usual...go fast...turn left.
You're dreaming! 1966 F1s were powered by a 3000cc engine that produced about 300hp (100hp/L) and not 150hp/L. But you're right about the other features; performances only improved with big sponsors' money.
Jesus those cars were absolutely flat out on the very limit on what was the fastest Grand Prix circuit in the world at the time along with Silverstone & Spa Francorchamps..& in fact they are still the fastest tracks.. This is not 'real' GP footage as it is a clip taken from the fictional film 'GRAND PRIX' in 1966. It gives a stunning insight into the still in use banking at that time. Monza..steeped in historic motor sport legend..long may it continue to be of great service to the GP fraternity!
GP! That's right. That's how they got those camera angles. Didn't know that there was an Oval at Monza. I'm watching qualifying as we speak. Vroom! Vroom!
Jeeeez. Imagine touching wheels at those speeds, with virtually no safety! It wasnt too long before this that they didnt even have seatbelts and raced round places like Spa's full length, with BARBED WIRE around some of the fields including the part lining the track - re: Chris Bristow, 1960 Belgian GP. RIP.
The racing scenes in this film were nothing less than spectacular, some having never been tried before. In real life racing driver Jochen Rindt was killed here in Sept, 1970. Although long closed I hear some of the old track is still there including the banking and is a popular tourist attraction.
This and 'The Blue Max' were the first films I ever saw at the cinema. Northfields Odeon. At 5 years old, I'm sure wasn't really old enough but I seem to have witnessed the crash scenes un-traumatised. Still gets the adrenaline pumping just viewing this footage all these years later.
Grand Prix Legends is the only Papyrus sim I don't have. Going to have to find a download site for it now that it's old enough to be considered "abandonware".
@AJ1964 Not IRL, F1 is in the old track of Monza, the former route, the pilot passed twice in the homestretch, once past the current stroke and the other by the legendary oval, oval to let any American with shame, because the velocities and inclination were very high.
Can you imagine what it would have been like racing around at 190mph with nothing but what is essentially a hard hat, goggles and a polo shirt? These guys had to have balls of steel to be able to do this.
Not only that, the Curva Grande was flat out in those days. There were no chicanes that came before the first turn. Imagine going down that long straight and then heading into Curva Grande at full speed? Very few could take that turn without lifting.
There's lots of tricks involved in shooting this; I think the actual cars were running slower (80-90mph) with slower film (12fps with a longer shutter), which by running 24fps will appear as 160-180mph. The longer shutter ensures more motion blur which makes it look "fast". The sound is completely "designed" using old school analog tape manipulations.
This is DEFINITELY taken from the movie "Grand Prix." I do not believe there ever was an "oval only" race. It always combined the road course. The oval was eventually dropped alltogether.
This is footage from the 1966 film Grand Prix. Terrific movie, it uses a huge amount of footage from throughout the 1965 season. Get if off Netflix or bittorrent.
No traction control, no ground force, no paddle shifting. All guts.
leftcoaster67 "ground force?" You mean down force?
leftcoaster67 Today's car neither have traction control nor do they utilise the ground effect(if this is what you meant) deleloped by Colin Chapman
Edgy as fuck
Dimitar Iliyanov They have something called diffuser which uses same principle to make down force as the ground effect cars aka they are still using ground effect. Lotus wasn't first team to use ground effect btw. It was Williams who developed it first.
Rentta The ground effect and the venturi effect are connected but far from being the same thing.
The famous scene from the movie "Grand Prix". By the way, the banking was not used for the Italian GP in 1966. The last time an F1 race was held on the combination of the road circuit and the oval was in 1961.
Circuits of the past they ran the oval in a practice session for the 1963 GP. There was a cut tire incident during the session so they decided not to run the oval for the race.
Yeah, but it made for a better movie . . . 🎬🎦🎥🏁
I watched your videos. Did not the banks be used due to safety issues?
Did they discontinue using the combination as a result of von Tripp's death?
@@KenCostlow For F1 yes. The combined circuit was used by sports cars till 1970 and the short combination (oval and short road track) by bikes as late as 1990.
The video is from the 1966 movie "Grand Prix". The footage, while not in an actual race, is real. They mounted 1966 vintage movie cameras on actual cars (F3 I believe) as well as on GT camera cars. They hired actual race car drivers such as Phil Hill to drive. James Garner, one of the stars of the film, did a lot of his own driving. Do a search on RUclips for "making of Grand Prix", there are a few videos that show behind the scenes images of the making of the movie.
They had drivers like Lorenzo Bandini as well
what was dangerous about the oval in Monza is that it was very bumpy... no asphalt, just concrete slabs that got everything growing on them
**sees "Rai" on the screen.**
My brain : *"damn Raikkonen was already racing in 66."*
😃😃😃 Yes, but RAI means Radio Televisione Italiana (Radio and TV of Italy in Italian)
The era when sex was safe and racing was dangerous
how was sex safe back then
@bobbyhill lmao
@@lt03.59 No aids yet
@@TheInsaiyan aha
@@lt03.59 well people weren't horny each hour 😂😂😂
This oval in iRacing with NASCAR cup cars is fucking insane. 230mph into the corners in the draft and nowhere to run if a car should spin in front of you.
***** The Monza track is the same length and almost the same banking as the NASCAR track at Talladega...2.6 miles and 32 degrees of banking. It's a different configuration (Monza is a true oval whereas Talladega is a tri-oval), but what you're experiencing here is exactly what Cup drivers would experience at Dega without restrictor plates. The NASCAR Monza 500 would definitely be a plate race if it existed!!!!!
I have F1 Challenge 99--02 with the all seasons mod and i played this track in 2004 Ferrari and put 1 1 wings and RPM as high as possible... 398 kph through the oval😂 unrealistic but satisfying as fuck
Monza, "The Cathedral of Speed".
You know this is a masterpiece film, Grand Prix (1966), when it's 50yrs old, yet still entices viewers - young and old - to be overwhelmed and delighted at what they are seeing & hearing.
Well done Mr Frankenheimer. Well done sir.
I couldn't agree more, well said.
Absolutely the finest racing movie ever made. I saw it 4 times when released at the Century 21 theaters in San Jose. It was like being in the car. Also looks extremely great on ultrawide monitors, not black bars, just pure movie.
Imagine the michelin tyres in this circuit
They wouldn't last 5 fucking seconds.
Bono my tyres are gone
Dead when you take them off the jacks
Pirelli tyres...
@@NOISYBOY-jd7dr they aren't doing better either. Aren't they?
I live in Monza and I often go to the old oval with my bycicle. You have no idea about how steep it is.
It needs to be to go fast in turn.
Man I would love to do that 😳, but iam from spain :(
@@paupons247 the "s" is silent
È davvero accessibile quella zona? (Non sono di monza)
@@matteosodero4683 si io ci vado in moto😂
The sound is just insane. Man those guys had balls of steel driving that fast on that bumpy road without an carbon monocoque etc.
Nor a helmet!
God bless frankenheimer whose cinematic skills so artfully and accuratly convey the
f1 experience of the golden age of european road racing. To watch the suspension compress on the banking with those skinny bias ply tires shows the uneveness of pavement and the sheer bravado of pushing the limit by the drivers.
Well, I would give some credit to the main cameraman Lionel Lindon as well.
Beautiful!! No wings no electronic!! Pure driving talent!!!
Wings do not diminish the requirements for talent, only increase the speed and the limit of the car
my lord, that sound
My favourite Ferrari beautiful car nearly as nice as Jim Clarke's lotus. Brave men who drove these magnificent machines. Thanks for posting
1:33 James Garner is really concentrating! Serious balls for a movie. He was a capable driver.
That's not James Garner. It's Antonio Sabàto as Nino Barlini, Montand's Teammate.
In Monza Garner drove (as Pete Aron) a silver/white car, named "Yamura" (according to Honda).
These guys have balls the size of grapefruit. I mean JESUS you have to be insane to do that.
lol watch nascar
Stevethe11th Nah. NASCAR while fast is a lot safer than this.
SPiCa then watch Indycar, they average just shy of 240mph at indy
RushingMid I do watch Indy whenever I can.
RushingMid I do watch Indy whenever I can.
GoPro did a good job there
@Flame Resistant Troll interesting
A puro talento coraje y huevos, sin carga aerodinámica ni asistencia electrónica de ningún tipo. Simplemente fantástico automovilismo en estado puro!
They should bring the oval back for nascar/indy european series
Incredibly great! What a track with oval parts!
This is the first RUclips video I have ever seen in my life,I remember it
The 'Wall of Death' at AVUS was 12 meters (39.4 ft) high at banked at 43 degrees.
Wow it's higher than Bristol (36 degrees) , thanks for the info.
Time of constant struggle against death, without protection, adequate tires and technological devices. It was just man, machine, talent and courage!
Wow. In those cars ,Those dudes were crazy holy dang !
modern f1 drivers would shit themselves if Bernie made them race old Monza
Some would some wouldn't...Lewis, Vettel, Max, Alonso a few more no problem.
I'm fairly certain that modern F1 cars require much more physical strength than the old ones
mustangjohhny Pirelli would have to make special tires just for this.
Qua Pro Pro not sure if this was a joke or not. If it wasn't a joke then you're a fucking dipshit
Chris Wille do u have any valid argument to say? Other than calling me a dipshit?
This track on Assetto Corsa is pure fun!! And the possibility to race with moderns cars is amazing!!!
I've managed to get 365 kph on the straights with the 2004 Ferrari
You didn't show Jean-Pierre's fatal crash. I guess I'll just have to dig through my old DVDs and watch it again.
Anyway, this footage, for those who may not know it, is from the movie, "Grand Prix" with James Garner and Eva Marie Saint and others. As for realistic action years ahead of its time, this movie was fantastic.
Ho i brividi!!!!
Mi sembra di aver capito dai commenti che si tratti di alcuni spezzoni di un film mai visto ne sentito ma che non esiteró nel cercare.
Brividi!!
a112 Manu guardalo, vedrai begli spezzoni e circuiti com’erano, te lo consiglio,🏎
Sapete il titolo del film?
Thank you! I've seen this oval circuit and I can understand how is dangerous to do it with this type of cars.
Imagine Vettel, Verstappen or Alonso doing just one lap in a modern F1 car! 😍😍😍
Too dangerous in oval no safety
Pure drive and i love the Monza oval
Back in 1957 they tried to hold a race on the Monza oval between Indy Cars, F1 cars and sports cars.
In typical F1 form, the F1 drivers backed out claiming it was suicide. The Sports car guys from the Jaguar team stayed with it and raced the Indy cars.
To be fair, the F1 guys were out of their element and probably spooked by the oval while the Indy car guys were doing business as usual...go fast...turn left.
F1 > Oval racing
They would have to turn right at monza
Antony Collingwood Actually, IndyCar is primarily Road Courses.
Antony Collingwood in that race they turn left on Monza banking!!!
Yes I know movie Grand Prix was clockwise but that race ran counter clockwise Race of two worlds F1 vs Indy
Pure insanity
@kirkconway This is from the movie Gran Prix.
Wow...didn't know it's that steep...DEFINATELY a restrictor-plate race then!!!
Best racing film EVER!
Surtees, Moss, Fangio, et al, the era of massive cajones.
Indeed its from the film GP but what a brilliant bit of footage!! Top stuff!!!
INSANE!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!
How in the world did they get some of those shots back in the day? Balls of steel right there.
its from a Movie
L.S. Moto but they used real cars and track soo..
You're dreaming! 1966 F1s were powered by a 3000cc engine that produced about 300hp (100hp/L) and not 150hp/L. But you're right about the other features; performances only improved with big sponsors' money.
when men had really big balls..
lol
That was real F1! What we have today is fucking pathetic. F1 RIP
Yes and big balls cost deads pilots and a no-evolved sport, wow so much fun
LOVE IT!! especially the downshift near the end. :-)
@baddog12k
The Original Spa was more interesting than Monza ever was. Most drivers loved Zandvoort and the classic Österreichring too.
Gyroscopic cameras. Such a good movie
Fantastic !!!
Jesus those cars were absolutely flat out on the very limit on what was the fastest Grand Prix circuit in the world at the time along with Silverstone & Spa Francorchamps..& in fact they are still the fastest tracks.. This is not 'real' GP footage as it is a clip taken from the fictional film 'GRAND PRIX' in 1966. It gives a stunning insight into the still in use banking at that time. Monza..steeped in historic motor sport legend..long may it continue to be of great service to the GP fraternity!
Man that was dangerous!
Living on the edge
Time of Juan Manuel Fangio, the best and most talented driver in F1 history... and who survived!
GP! That's right. That's how they got those camera angles. Didn't know that there was an Oval at Monza. I'm watching qualifying as we speak. Vroom! Vroom!
Whoa that is Nice Raw footages from the Movie. Without the voiceovers that are in the movie.
amazing sound of engine :) i love it
Jeeeez. Imagine touching wheels at those speeds, with virtually no safety! It wasnt too long before this that they didnt even have seatbelts and raced round places like Spa's full length, with BARBED WIRE around some of the fields including the part lining the track - re: Chris Bristow, 1960 Belgian GP. RIP.
Great movie, great footage!!! Thanks for posting
Best vid on utube!
I live near Monza. This part of the track is falling apart :'(
Too old monza is better without oval
Breathtaking!
I think Phil hill is doing the driving here in a Ford GT camera car. Pretty freakin amazing. RIP PH!
This was racing.. The new guys would pee in there pants driving these cars...
@@williammaurice7206 and creating a pileup
I love that Movie.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Who noticed the date when this was uploaded?
it's amazing to see hedges and trees right up against the track
The racing scenes in this film were nothing less than spectacular, some having never been tried before. In real life racing driver Jochen Rindt was killed here in Sept, 1970.
Although long closed I hear some of the old track is still there including the banking and is a popular tourist attraction.
Wow....safety was not even an afterthought when they came up with that track. Makes the Monza GP track look like a kiddie go cart track.
This and 'The Blue Max' were the first films I ever saw at the cinema. Northfields Odeon. At 5 years old, I'm sure wasn't really old enough but I seem to have witnessed the crash scenes un-traumatised. Still gets the adrenaline pumping just viewing this footage all these years later.
Try Grand Prix legends for the old Monza course.
that didnt have the oval though? didnt they do away with it that year
Grand Prix Legends is the only Papyrus sim I don't have. Going to have to find a download site for it now that it's old enough to be considered "abandonware".
that oval haven't used for a decade
You can use rFactor too
This reminds me of the "Test Course" from the Gran Turismo games on PSOne.
@AJ1964 Not IRL, F1 is in the old track of Monza, the former route, the pilot passed twice in the homestretch, once past the current stroke and the other by the legendary oval, oval to let any American with shame, because the velocities and inclination were very high.
Yes, this is from "Grand Prix" 1966. The movie is here on RUclips in 720P.
The car sounds amazing at 1:26
This sound was sampled in anime Grand Prix no Taka
This is indeed Grand Prix. Excellent movie.
Ah nostalgic. I love this.
1:38 ,where that howl comes in from as they drop a cog down. Beautiful sound
Can you imagine what it would have been like racing around at 190mph with nothing but what is essentially a hard hat, goggles and a polo shirt? These guys had to have balls of steel to be able to do this.
Not only that, the Curva Grande was flat out in those days. There were no chicanes that came before the first turn. Imagine going down that long straight and then heading into Curva Grande at full speed? Very few could take that turn without lifting.
Grand Prix was filmed in 65.
Basically yes! Although these scenes were from the Movie "Grand Prix". The banking at Monza was last used for F1 cars six years earlier.
There's lots of tricks involved in shooting this; I think the actual cars were running slower (80-90mph) with slower film (12fps with a longer shutter), which by running 24fps will appear as 160-180mph. The longer shutter ensures more motion blur which makes it look "fast". The sound is completely "designed" using old school analog tape manipulations.
very dangerous track!
This is DEFINITELY taken from the movie "Grand Prix." I do not believe there ever was an "oval only" race. It always combined the road course. The oval was eventually dropped alltogether.
John L
There were some in the 50s.
Stand corrected. did not dig into this far enough. Have always loved the long track. I can understand why it "went away," but it was a great track.
John L They still use the oval in the Monza Rally.
Can you point me to a track layout and some recent pics?
You didn't watch the whole video didn't you?
Totally not Italian NASCAR.
***** And indycar was part of f1 once
***** Yeah, but it's not NASCAR lol
No, I believe the Indy 500 was a points race on the F1 calendar.
DDS029 look at you, replying to a 2 year old comment
look at you replying on a comment of 3 years
"RAI" Raikkonen on-board
Hope they have this in GT 5
wat a powerfull engines those are takin that much powers full throtle all the lap
This is footage from the 1966 film Grand Prix. Terrific movie, it uses a huge amount of footage from throughout the 1965 season. Get if off Netflix or bittorrent.
Those 60s Cars was the ultimate Racemachines.
480HP, and when you build out the Engine ant the Tyres, 2 Man can easyly lift the Car.
that 1966 camera is more stable than my phone
thats was crazy the banks were pretty high. that would be crazy to race on it today
muito legal, emoção pura!!!
Amazing...racing drivers (especially open wheel) before about 1985 had testicles made of solid neutronium.
When 7-11 closes in 5 minutes and your out of doritos
i just found it in assetto corsa and its a blast of fun, this should be in modern F1 calendar or gt series
They used to run the F1 cars on this track. The quit after the track cemetery was full.
Balls Of Steel
Da waren die Rennen noch spannend!Schön im Windschatten😃
Awesome
This footage from the 1968 film "Grand Prix" and those cars are F3, not F1's