I do appreciate Time Breaker as Sam/Remedy confirming 100% that "Yes, we want to use Quantum Break. But due to copyright IP ownership, we have to change the names"
I’m honestly just amazed how far they could pull with casting parallels whilst still skirting around IP violations through name changing and concept tweaks Really optimizing their creativity there 😂
“The Director” literally confirmed that Sam Lake in OUR reality is in fact the ultimate master of many worlds and the writer of the first word (not the last). The Dark Place is called the Dark Place because it’s the darkness of our TV screens when they’re shut off. And when they’re not being played/watched/consumed those realities are nothing, nonexistent. They only exist when we open the thresholds if you will.
I swear Sam Lake is just something else. Such a short DLC yet it's packed with content, more questions but also more teasing at what the Remedy Universe is about. My mind is blown, once again.
The Waitress section could be partly created by her fanfiction being affected by the Dark Place but it's too weird and happy for the Dark Place and Scracth to use to escape.
Agreed - but maybe the point was to have the brother(s) "come to terms" - finding a way to sort of co-exist in the face of all that craziness... Like how the episode ended. Though, given the deer used the words "as inexplicable as the sunrise" maybe the sense of who Scratch and who the writer were was intended to be flipped. Why else "inexplicable" instead of "as sure as the sun will rise".
Why aren’t more people recognizing that the REC is Monarch (not the Foundation) or that Quantum Break is canon in all but name now? The PRS is a handheld Countermeasure. And I’m increasingly convinced Marlin Hatch was an early version of Warlin Door.
Is there any reason the REC can't be both Monarch and the FBC? They can be echoes of each other much like anything else in these stories. Also, of course Door is Hatch, the actor for Door confirmed as much in an interview when he revealed that the role was to originally be played by the late Lance Reddick.
I'm sticking with the theory I've had since Alan Wake 2 dropped, that Alan Wake and Thomas Zane are the same person and that Thomas Zane is Alan Wake's actual identity where he's gone through some kind of loss and/or life crisis and is trying to recover himself and doesn't fully know who he is anymore not in a literal sense, but figuratively in terms of his purpose and direction in life. Biggest piece of evidence is that a number of people call Alan "Tom" and seemed to know him from before and that when Alan meets Zane in the Dark Place, they have the same exact face. The distinct "person" of Alan Wake represents Zane's desire to "start over" and build a new life following the aforementioned loss and/or career failure, likely stemming from a failure in his music/writing career and possibly the death of his previous lover Barbara Jagger who appears in the first game.
In the Tim Breaker eposide of the DLC (the comic part), it's implying that Tom and Alan and Scratch are the same person but just from different demetions. Just like Tim's role in quantum break...
@@bruuuuuuuuhhhhexactly why I love it so much, it's never clear when reality ends and the fiction begins, did Alan make up the clicker on the spot to comfort his wife in the dark like we seen in the flash back and then later used that idea by writing as Thomas Zane so he could give the clicker real power or was Alan created by Zane because Zane couldn't fight it himself so he didn't to create a hero who could and I honestly hope we never find out which I only want more questions
In quantum break you can find a chalk board with a theory on Alan wake 2 on it. Part of it says “Tom is a poet who writes about Alan wake” “Alan wake is a writer who writes about Tom” “Who made WHO real?”
Those games were originally meant to be apart of the remedy-verse. In alan wake 2 tim’s boards in the dark place make ALOT of reference to this (the red head woman from quantum is now Jesse and mr door was hatch from quantum break).
There is the max payne remake but the quantum break one confused me because Microsoft have the ip I don’t know why they don’t just let remedy make another they both profit
@@dinkoman2081 Alan Wake writes crime thrillers about a hardened cop that has trauma from the death of his spouse. Alex Casey is the name of the books in Alan's reality, but those books become real and take on another name in the multiverse, namely being Max Payne.
Shawn Ashmore is great- I've seen him in so many sci-fi projects! So this Ashmore Lore is rather amusing :D He does travel between universes with great acuity :P
@Based_Gigachad_001 There's a guy named bricky on RUclips who enjoys the alan wake games but he calls him a hack(affectionate) because of his use of references and parallels to other media.
Apologies if this was already mentioned, and not sure what it means yet, but... The almost omnipresent "pink mist" of Rose's episode isn't so much supported or reflected by the lingering blood clouds that result from blowing away the "critics" - the "pink mist" seems to be the point. "Pink Mist" is the term people use to describe the cloud of blood and viscera that results from a gunshot successfully finding its human target. Given the pink mist is EVERYWHERE in her episode, and given the Taken in the episode seem to be THE example that does NOT have the accompanying shadowy overlay associated with the waves of ememies... Is it possible that Number One Fan was written either for or BY the Dark Presence? Or, more terrifying, since I think Rose mentions at some point that she dabbles in creative endeavors near Cauldren Lake - is her episode one of HER fan fic forays come true? Again, don't know what it means, but the cheery well lit adventure is also - of the three - the most viscerally/tangibly disturbing of all of them.
Also, you are literally looking at the world through a rose coloured lens. Which is an expression for someone who has an optimistic/positive attitude and fails to see the negatives.
I think that, as all chapters are shown to be written by Alan and hosted by Mr.Door, it means they are already working together. Thus being this a superior version of Alan, being a more experienced "master of many worlds". I think this Alan is writing the characters we see to be involved with him more than to escape. Maybe Rose's story is about him showing her in dreams what is coming, giving more meaning to her claims that Alan sent her messages of how to defend herself and kill the taken. Jesse's story can be in the time she is trapped in the darkness (as we know she disappeared and we see her in the tv), Alan using her memories of her looking for her brother and combining them to what she experienced in the FBC to guide her to him. And for Tim, he also led him to find the cabin. He is giving them tools to defend themselves against the dark. And slowly leading them into him for a reason yet to know. But I think all protagonists are linked to themselves and to Alan, by Alan
21:12 According to the subtitles, the one on the TV is Jesse. Also, in the AWE DLC, Jesse does witness a similar interaction between Zane and Wake (possibly from an earlier point in the spiral) so maybe it's something to do with that.
I loved this video, it cleared up SO MUCH information for me! I think Mr Door is angry at Alan for a couple reasons: Alan is messing up the rules of the multiverse, Alan is hurting others without regard to consequence, and Alan created a version of Door that is human. I think Door was just the walls between universes that used to be firm and strong with clear rules. I think Alan was experimenting with his power with wild abandon and so decided the walls needed to let him through. Alan wrote himself a door through the walls to allow this. But because of how he thinks he could only do this by creating a living door. A person, with a story and destiny outside of any universe, in between everything and thus in every universe at once. Mr Door is the tool of Alan to break the universe so that he could have the power over many worlds. And having been made a person, Mr Door saw the crimes and selfish villainy of his creator and was angry.
I thought he was pissed because Alan dragged Saga (Door’s daughter) into the mess. There’s a reason why there’s a trope called Papa Wolf and Mr. Door displayed it fully in his confrontation with Alan. Brrr…I’m getting shivers thinking about what a furious Door would be like if he found out his granddaughter was also pulled into the mess.
There are more quantum break references in the DLC that marry up. It's been a while since I've played that game so I'm forgetting some of the names. It's rumoured that Warlin Door (but pretty much confirmed from datamined art), was originally going to be played by Lance Reddick (RIP). In quantum break he played a character called Martin Hatch (door/hatch), who found a source of power a long time ago, which turned him into a shifter which meant he was everywhere all at once and gave him powers etc.
Jason Schreier on the Triple Click podcast confirmed after the game released (by talking to Sam Lake and Remedy) that Lance Reddick was originally cast as Warlin Door.
Just flip the M on Martin , and it spells Wartin,change the T for L and you have Warlin, and of course a door and a hatch are pretty much the same. If only Remedy could use QB and Max Payne , they would make the craziest share universe ever. And also its so sad that both Lance Reddick and James McCaffrey passed away :(
I love that after you play all the episodes of night springs there’s a message that reads in loving memory of James McCaffrey remedy is the G.O.A.T for this 1 like equals a cup of coffee for Alex Casey
The oldest house could also be the tree that takes root inside breaker if you eat the seed. Which Becomes the world tree. Another instance if you plant it ,it becomes the world tree and you build a giant skyscraper around the world tree which could be the oldest house. Oldest house sits outside of the multiverse.
Holy fucking shit, this is amazing. It pretty much confirms that Warlin Door is one of the multiversal versions of Martin Hatch from Quantum Break, probably the most powerful one.
I know i’m late to the party but in Rose’s story, the books in her storage are Will Hurt, Death Will Hurt, and Love Will Hurt, which follows the naming scheme of the Alex Casey books as well as references Max Payne-Will Hurt
Darling's book. Darling is important. Pretty sure he created Thomas Zane in his insanity. Day 665 of being alone in the Darkplace. A place the changes based on his thoughts.
I played and finished quantum break for the first time today, and then played episode 3 after. What an awesome continuation of that story. Remedy is so cool.
SPOILERS Fwiw in Time Breaker Tim is imagining getting to the “master of many worlds” seemingly referring to Door however at the end of the final draft Alan also becomes a “master of many worlds” he claims in the final cutscene through his escape of the dark place and ascension to a higher state or self realization. So this occurring at the end of Time Breaker was pretty cool and may be a sign of things to come.
Aaaaaaah one of the best videos EVER explaining not only the DLC but the whole lore of what Remady is doing .. good job there .. definitely, I will save for later .. surly for me, one of the best references to go back to it later
Fantastic video! Also remember, after the end of the Final Draft, Alan is now ALSO the Master of "All" Worlds (thus the occurrence at the end of the third episode), an allusion to his mastery of the Dark Place's power. My personal theory is that it might seem Alan is actually that Master who is trying to escape through these episodes, which might be echoes towards real things happening (Control and Quantum Break). Remember, everything also happens in Night Springs, an echo of Bright Falls ("Night Springs when Bright Falls"). Just a bit of rambling, can't wait to finally draw a full picture of this magnificent fictional world!
One thing I love about community theorizing is enjoying theories that are right and ones that are wrong just the same because of the sheer effort. I do love one theory that Control’s narrative exists as a long form way of Alan trying to “create the hero” he needed for AW2. That Alan was initially hesitant to utilize characters and people from Bright Falls who couldn’t save him on their own, so he tried to brute force the problem by crafting a new story that would create a hero powerful enough to save him (i.e. Jesse). Control and its DLC are just him setting the stage and rules for the story so that as he slowly integrated Bright Falls via the AWE DLC - it gave him the connecting points he needed to bring them into his story. But what he didn’t plan for was for the Hiss to take hold so drastically and start subverting the story of Control and the characters within it - same as the dark presence did to his story. This inevitably led to the hiss poisoning his story via Emil Hartman and Control as we know just…ends. Hiss still exist, Oldest House still locked down. This was Alan realizing that Jesse could no longer become the hero he could rely on because her villain was just as dangerous as his. It’s unfounded but I do love people’s creative efforts in making something work.
Something I just thought of: Ahti is janitor, he's named after the Finnish ocean god, he's theorized at points to be taking care of the Oldest House as it's like Yggdrasil is some way given the etchings in the Foundations (maybe?), and there's a poem Alan did mentioning oceans connecting and he is seen in every universe in one way or another. Is Mr. Door aware of him and are they working together? Or seperately? What do they think of each other?
That’s a really good question. I know from reading about the lore and watching videos on Alan Wake 2 and Control (thank you Gaming University) that Ahti is friends with the Anderson brothers who are the in-laws of Door so maybe Ahti knows Warlin Door from before the latter became an eldritch being. Who knows? There are a lot of mysteries with our favorite jovial janitor like how is it he looks the same age he was back in the 60s (no seriously I want to know if he’s a god, an eldritch being or he just has really good genetics).
I remember Doors actor from CW's Supergirl. Gotta say they choose the right guy for the job. He can switch between hero & villain in the beat of a heart. Will be interesting to see if Door is an antagonist, a force to be avoided, or possibly an ally in any upcoming games.
ok wild theory is door basically "cleaning up" behnd Alan, bbecause as alan writes he creates alterne universes , this could be what else pissed door off
Since Warlin Door is taking out different Seans doesn't that mean the Sean in the DLC will have a story mirroring Warlin Doors. If so doesn't that mean Warlin Door is creating his own enemy and Sean will be the reflection of good?
For those who are wondering if there will be TV series at some point. At the moment AMC is holding the rights to make tv series to Alan Wake, but there hasn't been any news if AMC will make the series. They can hold the rights like 5-7 years or something and after that other streaming services etc can try to get them from Remedy. AMC has been holding the rights from Reemedy 2022. IF there won't be Ilkka Villi, David Harewood, Shawn Ashmore, Peter Franzen, Martti Suosalo, Courtney Hope, Matthew Porretta etc. people will be furious.
@@redwiltshire1816 I’m not American I’m Canadian but even so I would be immediately concerned about the person mental state if they had a whole army in Diner.
I don't know if anyone told you yet, but in control, a game I played and beat, Alan Wake is in the same universe as control. In the vault in control Alan Wake's typewriter is considered an altered item
Is this really all taking place before the events of AW2 like you said? The way I personally took it is after Alan learns that it is a spiral and not a loop, he starts writing these stories to gather all of these people together to help him
Just played it, in the third chapter there’s a sheet of paper that says YOU ARE HERE with an arrow pointing about halfway through a sketch of a spiral. It’s after, whatever is happening in this story Alan has made his way partially out of the spiral
I'd argue that "Number One Fan" is actually just a fanfic written by Rose. We can go with Alan hijacking it and writing "one of her delusions became real" to possibly take a shortcut, but the actual contents just don't fit his style.
I´m actually so happy that Sam Lake and Remedy still holds Quantum Break's story as part of Alan Wake's canonical events (as well as Control's). I hope they somehow recover the IP from Microsoft because wtf there are a lot more strings to pull from all the characters there (for example that Martin Hatch is just like an early version of Warlin Door).
Im here because i can't play it on steam but still love the alan wake story. Unfortunately im not downloading a launcher and making a new account just for one game. Thanks for the video man!!
Yes! I finally plan to buy it. We really need to stop with these digital only games crap. Black myth wukong is going through something similar as it has no physical.
I think part of Alans Goal in writing these Episodes is „defining“ the Dark Presence. The only way to stop it was to essentially put a face to the name, give it physical form, and then killing it. Night Springs are the first attempts at this. He starts by writing what he knows, Mr Scratch. He refuses to accept what he really is, so he‘s written as his evil and arrogant Twin Brother. This is just his own delusion of course, and thats exactly how the story ends up becoming; so far from the truth that he ends up writing fan fiction about himself. Next he reimagines the Taken as some sort of cult indoctrination using coffee. Still absurd, but closer to reality. His multiverse connection to Dr Casper Darling adds some FBC jargon into the mix to keep the conspiracy angle accurate. He finds that the Dark Presence and the Board are quite similar and adds that to the story as well. The issue is that either he‘d unable to finish the story, leading to the actual cult leader being the cults literal creator IE himself, or his subconscious takes over to try and tell him what he needs to do, but he‘s not that far in his journey yet to understand. He tosses this one aside, but keeps the Cult stuff to reuse later. Finally, he tries embracing the Many Worlds Interpretation; that all fiction is just reality from another Universe. Here he tries to turn Warlin Door into the Antagonist/Dark Presence Manifest; that doesn‘t mean Mr Door is actually malevolent, Wakes Paranoia tends to make people trying to help him out to be monsters, which manifests in his writing. His attempt of explaining his situation „scientifically“ ends up leading him right back to where he started however, realizing that there is no higher power than himself and the may in fact be the monster of this story. Tim Breaker serves as the Hero in this story, likely inspiring Sagas Role in Return later. TL;DR Alan tries to write the dark presence as his jealous Twin, an evil Cult Leader and a multiversal supervillain in order to find a way to defeat it, but each attempt ends up either dead in the water or leads straight back to him in the role of said villain. Thus in the loops where he writes Initiation and Return, he realizes that only he can be that „vessel“ for the Dark Presence, the only twist that makes sense with what the Story lends him
I think Ahti lives in all dimension, but Door won't attack him because he's a god level entity. Door seems to only dislike humans peering into his Doors.
I have just discovered that in the first scene when Tim talks to Sam, Sam is not blinking - not once! If you pay close attention you can see that Tim is actually blinking his eyes but Sam is not! What does that mean?
"In charge of the multiverse" is a reach. Just because he is trying to eliminate threats to it, doesnt automatically mean hes in charge Nor do we know that eliminating threats is his goal?
Third part of the Dlc Fried my brain so many hidden chooses during the Written part. You even create the device Alan uses to travel between zones in the darkness. Jesse is breakers wife/love interest in a different universe my god this dlc was Amazing but only thing confused me a bit was Roses part I get it’s not Wake leading and I guess she starts the retirement home at the moment but theirs still plot holes.
shit i didn't realize this expansion came out and i loved aw2. just getting excited for playing the new expansion this weekend when this popped into my feed and i'm completely and utterly sold by the twist @ 3:00. i don't even need to keep watching. thumbs up. i'm going to go play this one first now
Upgrade to the deluxe version of Alan Wake 2 now!!! cherrypick.gg/Gaming-Harry
Secure the bag bro!
When dlc coming out?
I do appreciate Time Breaker as Sam/Remedy confirming 100% that "Yes, we want to use Quantum Break. But due to copyright IP ownership, we have to change the names"
I’m honestly just amazed how far they could pull with casting parallels whilst still skirting around IP violations through name changing and concept tweaks
Really optimizing their creativity there 😂
Alan Wake - "I'm the dude, playing the dude and pretending to be that dude."
the music for the end of each of the episodes was a bop
Already part of the OST… freaking loved that jam
Space invaderrrrrrr
Sasassassa
“The Director” literally confirmed that Sam Lake in OUR reality is in fact the ultimate master of many worlds and the writer of the first word (not the last). The Dark Place is called the Dark Place because it’s the darkness of our TV screens when they’re shut off. And when they’re not being played/watched/consumed those realities are nothing, nonexistent. They only exist when we open the thresholds if you will.
Some Black Mirror stuff
Bro just say Jesse, the director is too long
That's crazy and scary at the same time
Yeah its called ripping off twin peaks.. especially the return.
@@El_Negro2003it's not Jesse though it's an alternate reality version of her
I swear Sam Lake is just something else. Such a short DLC yet it's packed with content, more questions but also more teasing at what the Remedy Universe is about. My mind is blown, once again.
Rose went hard in this DLC! Go Rose!!
Rose needed to become a FBC agent because of that fr fr
She’s so fucking funny in it.!
She's kinda hot
Justice for Rose! OTP
Hard not to with 400+ shotgun shells
The Waitress section could be partly created by her fanfiction being affected by the Dark Place but it's too weird and happy for the Dark Place and Scracth to use to escape.
Took the words right out of my mouth 😂
Agreed - but maybe the point was to have the brother(s) "come to terms" - finding a way to sort of co-exist in the face of all that craziness... Like how the episode ended.
Though, given the deer used the words "as inexplicable as the sunrise" maybe the sense of who Scratch and who the writer were was intended to be flipped. Why else "inexplicable" instead of "as sure as the sun will rise".
The Darkness seeing Waitress' story: 'WHAT THE HE.LL IS THIS?!'
The Darkness: What the fuck?! Get out, man
Too weird and happy for darkness to to be able to use 😂 love tht
I completely forgot about Dylan mentioning door and Alan and casey in control . Good detective work 👍🏻.
He also says “this is all a video game” similar to what happens to max payne
Honestly after seeing the end of North Star I think Dylan was influenced by Alan
Loved this dlc, the look on my face when I walked into the gun room in roses episode was sum else
Why aren’t more people recognizing that the REC is Monarch (not the Foundation) or that Quantum Break is canon in all but name now? The PRS is a handheld Countermeasure. And I’m increasingly convinced Marlin Hatch was an early version of Warlin Door.
Yes and Tim Breaker is a multiversial version of Jack Joyce
Is there any reason the REC can't be both Monarch and the FBC? They can be echoes of each other much like anything else in these stories. Also, of course Door is Hatch, the actor for Door confirmed as much in an interview when he revealed that the role was to originally be played by the late Lance Reddick.
W and M changed and Hatch is a Door
@@turbochargedfilms There's an organization in Quantum Break closer to the FBC than REC which is called AWE iirc.
i just seen your comment i thought the same thing.... Heck Flip the M upside down
Marlin/
Warlin
I'm sticking with the theory I've had since Alan Wake 2 dropped, that Alan Wake and Thomas Zane are the same person and that Thomas Zane is Alan Wake's actual identity where he's gone through some kind of loss and/or life crisis and is trying to recover himself and doesn't fully know who he is anymore not in a literal sense, but figuratively in terms of his purpose and direction in life. Biggest piece of evidence is that a number of people call Alan "Tom" and seemed to know him from before and that when Alan meets Zane in the Dark Place, they have the same exact face. The distinct "person" of Alan Wake represents Zane's desire to "start over" and build a new life following the aforementioned loss and/or career failure, likely stemming from a failure in his music/writing career and possibly the death of his previous lover Barbara Jagger who appears in the first game.
I like the idea that Zane wrote Alan into existence. Keeping the one the about the clicker safe.
@@diegeticfridge9167OR did Alan Wake write Thomas Zane into writing Alan Wake so Alan Wake could get the clicker
In the Tim Breaker eposide of the DLC (the comic part), it's implying that Tom and Alan and Scratch are the same person but just from different demetions. Just like Tim's role in quantum break...
@@bruuuuuuuuhhhhexactly why I love it so much, it's never clear when reality ends and the fiction begins, did Alan make up the clicker on the spot to comfort his wife in the dark like we seen in the flash back and then later used that idea by writing as Thomas Zane so he could give the clicker real power or was Alan created by Zane because Zane couldn't fight it himself so he didn't to create a hero who could and I honestly hope we never find out which I only want more questions
In quantum break you can find a chalk board with a theory on Alan wake 2 on it. Part of it says “Tom is a poet who writes about Alan wake”
“Alan wake is a writer who writes about Tom”
“Who made WHO real?”
It sucks IP issues prevent them from what (I'm guessing) they want to do with Quantum Break and Max Payne.
Those games were originally meant to be apart of the remedy-verse.
In alan wake 2 tim’s boards in the dark place make ALOT of reference to this (the red head woman from quantum is now Jesse and mr door was hatch from quantum break).
There is the max payne remake but the quantum break one confused me because Microsoft have the ip I don’t know why they don’t just let remedy make another they both profit
How is max pain involved with alan wake?
@@dinkoman2081 Alan Wake writes crime thrillers about a hardened cop that has trauma from the death of his spouse. Alex Casey is the name of the books in Alan's reality, but those books become real and take on another name in the multiverse, namely being Max Payne.
True
Remedy needs to make a Night Springs TV series
There's already one, it's called twilight zone, night spring is based on this series.
@@camila_costa12 Wow
Shawn Ashmore is great- I've seen him in so many sci-fi projects! So this Ashmore Lore is rather amusing :D He does travel between universes with great acuity :P
Wasn't there a doctor Ashmore also in control foundation dlc?.
@@AaronBiswasyeah, Theodore Ash was once the director, his son Theodore Ash Jr. was the head of research before Dr. Darling
SAM LAKE YOU HACK (affectionate)
@Based_Gigachad_001
There's a guy named bricky on RUclips who enjoys the alan wake games but he calls him a hack(affectionate) because of his use of references and parallels to other media.
IKR! SAM LAKE YOU HACK! xD
I recently replayed Control, and then realised that this DLC was a thing. So i got to play it through and see Jesse which made me super happy.
The way you break down confusing games into an understandable follow along is a gift my man, keep up the amazing work!
It was nice to get a peek into Rose's delusional mind. To all of those with unlucky love lives - ELBOW PATCHES! XD
Apologies if this was already mentioned, and not sure what it means yet, but...
The almost omnipresent "pink mist" of Rose's episode isn't so much supported or reflected by the lingering blood clouds that result from blowing away the "critics" - the "pink mist" seems to be the point. "Pink Mist" is the term people use to describe the cloud of blood and viscera that results from a gunshot successfully finding its human target. Given the pink mist is EVERYWHERE in her episode, and given the Taken in the episode seem to be THE example that does NOT have the accompanying shadowy overlay associated with the waves of ememies...
Is it possible that Number One Fan was written either for or BY the Dark Presence? Or, more terrifying, since I think Rose mentions at some point that she dabbles in creative endeavors near Cauldren Lake - is her episode one of HER fan fic forays come true?
Again, don't know what it means, but the cheery well lit adventure is also - of the three - the most viscerally/tangibly disturbing of all of them.
It’s definitely the most disturbing given it’s possible Alan wrote this fanfic himself with extreme detail
Also, you are literally looking at the world through a rose coloured lens. Which is an expression for someone who has an optimistic/positive attitude and fails to see the negatives.
I cannot wait to see how the 2nd dlc ends or what it answers. Time Breaker is by far the most important to the story imo.
Im from the future. It added nothing
I think that, as all chapters are shown to be written by Alan and hosted by Mr.Door, it means they are already working together. Thus being this a superior version of Alan, being a more experienced "master of many worlds". I think this Alan is writing the characters we see to be involved with him more than to escape. Maybe Rose's story is about him showing her in dreams what is coming, giving more meaning to her claims that Alan sent her messages of how to defend herself and kill the taken.
Jesse's story can be in the time she is trapped in the darkness (as we know she disappeared and we see her in the tv), Alan using her memories of her looking for her brother and combining them to what she experienced in the FBC to guide her to him.
And for Tim, he also led him to find the cabin.
He is giving them tools to defend themselves against the dark. And slowly leading them into him for a reason yet to know. But I think all protagonists are linked to themselves and to Alan, by Alan
21:12 According to the subtitles, the one on the TV is Jesse. Also, in the AWE DLC, Jesse does witness a similar interaction between Zane and Wake (possibly from an earlier point in the spiral) so maybe it's something to do with that.
Interesting point!
I loved this video, it cleared up SO MUCH information for me!
I think Mr Door is angry at Alan for a couple reasons: Alan is messing up the rules of the multiverse, Alan is hurting others without regard to consequence, and Alan created a version of Door that is human.
I think Door was just the walls between universes that used to be firm and strong with clear rules. I think Alan was experimenting with his power with wild abandon and so decided the walls needed to let him through. Alan wrote himself a door through the walls to allow this. But because of how he thinks he could only do this by creating a living door. A person, with a story and destiny outside of any universe, in between everything and thus in every universe at once. Mr Door is the tool of Alan to break the universe so that he could have the power over many worlds. And having been made a person, Mr Door saw the crimes and selfish villainy of his creator and was angry.
I thought he was pissed because Alan dragged Saga (Door’s daughter) into the mess. There’s a reason why there’s a trope called Papa Wolf and Mr. Door displayed it fully in his confrontation with Alan. Brrr…I’m getting shivers thinking about what a furious Door would be like if he found out his granddaughter was also pulled into the mess.
Nice Harry! Love the committment to releasing these videos so quickly
Honestly, I don't want Harry to burn out. We can wait because quality over quantity
There are more quantum break references in the DLC that marry up. It's been a while since I've played that game so I'm forgetting some of the names.
It's rumoured that Warlin Door (but pretty much confirmed from datamined art), was originally going to be played by Lance Reddick (RIP). In quantum break he played a character called Martin Hatch (door/hatch), who found a source of power a long time ago, which turned him into a shifter which meant he was everywhere all at once and gave him powers etc.
There’s scraped art that shows Lance Reddick as Door in Alan Wake 2
Jason Schreier on the Triple Click podcast confirmed after the game released (by talking to Sam Lake and Remedy) that Lance Reddick was originally cast as Warlin Door.
Wow ok in my head now confirmed definitely. But theory that door is sagas father doesn’t make a lot of sense?
Just flip the M on Martin , and it spells Wartin,change the T for L and you have Warlin, and of course a door and a hatch are pretty much the same.
If only Remedy could use QB and Max Payne , they would make the craziest share universe ever.
And also its so sad that both Lance Reddick and James McCaffrey passed away :(
I REALLY NEED TO READ COMMENTS FIRST APPARENTLY IM NOT ALONE IN MY THERORIES
I was waiting for this!! Thank you so much Harry for all that you do!!!
I love that after you play all the episodes of night springs there’s a message that reads in loving memory of James McCaffrey remedy is the G.O.A.T for this 1 like equals a cup of coffee for Alex Casey
The oldest house could also be the tree that takes root inside breaker if you eat the seed. Which Becomes the world tree. Another instance if you plant it ,it becomes the world tree and you build a giant skyscraper around the world tree which could be the oldest house. Oldest house sits outside of the multiverse.
Holy fucking shit, this is amazing. It pretty much confirms that Warlin Door is one of the multiversal versions of Martin Hatch from Quantum Break, probably the most powerful one.
I know i’m late to the party but in Rose’s story, the books in her storage are Will Hurt, Death Will Hurt, and Love Will Hurt, which follows the naming scheme of the Alex Casey books as well as references Max Payne-Will Hurt
Darling's book. Darling is important. Pretty sure he created Thomas Zane in his insanity. Day 665 of being alone in the Darkplace.
A place the changes based on his thoughts.
Excellent work Gaming Harry!
I played and finished quantum break for the first time today, and then played episode 3 after. What an awesome continuation of that story. Remedy is so cool.
GamingHarry is a mind reader, I was JUST thinking about this game!! Awesome video as per usual
SPOILERS
Fwiw in Time Breaker Tim is imagining getting to the “master of many worlds” seemingly referring to Door however at the end of the final draft Alan also becomes a “master of many worlds” he claims in the final cutscene through his escape of the dark place and ascension to a higher state or self realization. So this occurring at the end of Time Breaker was pretty cool and may be a sign of things to come.
Always happy to see more of Control. Alan Wake(s) universe has such an awesome amount of lore and detail to it.
Thank you so much for the refresher on all the RCU games, watched them all to jog my memory before playing Lake House!
These DLCs were NUTS.
My motorcycle is also a wolf 😅 Also in Time Breaker that's definitely Beth Wilder not Jesse.
That version is Jessbeth. They aren't subtle.
Aaaaaaah one of the best videos EVER explaining not only the DLC but the whole lore of what Remady is doing .. good job there .. definitely, I will save for later .. surly for me, one of the best references to go back to it later
Fantastic video! Also remember, after the end of the Final Draft, Alan is now ALSO the Master of "All" Worlds (thus the occurrence at the end of the third episode), an allusion to his mastery of the Dark Place's power. My personal theory is that it might seem Alan is actually that Master who is trying to escape through these episodes, which might be echoes towards real things happening (Control and Quantum Break). Remember, everything also happens in Night Springs, an echo of Bright Falls ("Night Springs when Bright Falls"). Just a bit of rambling, can't wait to finally draw a full picture of this magnificent fictional world!
One thing I love about community theorizing is enjoying theories that are right and ones that are wrong just the same because of the sheer effort. I do love one theory that Control’s narrative exists as a long form way of Alan trying to “create the hero” he needed for AW2. That Alan was initially hesitant to utilize characters and people from Bright Falls who couldn’t save him on their own, so he tried to brute force the problem by crafting a new story that would create a hero powerful enough to save him (i.e. Jesse). Control and its DLC are just him setting the stage and rules for the story so that as he slowly integrated Bright Falls via the AWE DLC - it gave him the connecting points he needed to bring them into his story. But what he didn’t plan for was for the Hiss to take hold so drastically and start subverting the story of Control and the characters within it - same as the dark presence did to his story. This inevitably led to the hiss poisoning his story via Emil Hartman and Control as we know just…ends. Hiss still exist, Oldest House still locked down. This was Alan realizing that Jesse could no longer become the hero he could rely on because her villain was just as dangerous as his.
It’s unfounded but I do love people’s creative efforts in making something work.
Its possible to play the dlc while playing the game. I had decided to replay the story and found each episode in Alan's side of the game.
Something I just thought of: Ahti is janitor, he's named after the Finnish ocean god, he's theorized at points to be taking care of the Oldest House as it's like Yggdrasil is some way given the etchings in the Foundations (maybe?), and there's a poem Alan did mentioning oceans connecting and he is seen in every universe in one way or another. Is Mr. Door aware of him and are they working together? Or seperately? What do they think of each other?
That’s a really good question. I know from reading about the lore and watching videos on Alan Wake 2 and Control (thank you Gaming University) that Ahti is friends with the Anderson brothers who are the in-laws of Door so maybe Ahti knows Warlin Door from before the latter became an eldritch being. Who knows? There are a lot of mysteries with our favorite jovial janitor like how is it he looks the same age he was back in the 60s (no seriously I want to know if he’s a god, an eldritch being or he just has really good genetics).
I love how everything connects in the remedyverse. No detail is there for no reason and everything makes sense.
I remember Doors actor from CW's Supergirl. Gotta say they choose the right guy for the job. He can switch between hero & villain in the beat of a heart.
Will be interesting to see if Door is an antagonist, a force to be avoided, or possibly an ally in any upcoming games.
ok wild theory is door basically "cleaning up" behnd Alan, bbecause as alan writes he creates alterne universes , this could be what else pissed door off
Great vid 👌 loved both the alan wake games cant wait to complete the two DLCs and eagerly await Control 2
Oh I just got to this part. Tim breaker talking to Alan about aliens lol
Since Warlin Door is taking out different Seans doesn't that mean the Sean in the DLC will have a story mirroring Warlin Doors. If so doesn't that mean Warlin Door is creating his own enemy and Sean will be the reflection of good?
Like Jet Li in the movie "The One"
I mean, Shawn Ashmore was an Animorph after all. He's used to understanding weird sci-fi stuff quickly.
i think a tv show or movie will finish this crazy beautiful story. it might be many years away but i think its worth the wait.
JESSIE! So glad to see her again. One of my favorite games & characters.
The best part of the DLC is the song at the end of the chapters. It is a BANGER 🎵 🕺🏾
Loved it 😁 im your number one fan 😊
For those who are wondering if there will be TV series at some point. At the moment AMC is holding the rights to make tv series to Alan Wake, but there hasn't been any news if AMC will make the series. They can hold the rights like 5-7 years or something and after that other streaming services etc can try to get them from Remedy. AMC has been holding the rights from Reemedy 2022. IF there won't be Ilkka Villi, David Harewood, Shawn Ashmore, Peter Franzen, Martti Suosalo, Courtney Hope, Matthew Porretta etc. people will be furious.
i am waiting for this forever and finally, thank you Harry
3:14 if I saw a bunch of guns stored in a diner I would immediately just book it. I would leave the building in panic.
Is this not normal in America?
@@redwiltshire1816 I’m not American I’m Canadian but even so I would be immediately concerned about the person mental state if they had a whole army in Diner.
@@AnvilPictures I mean same especially if the guns are kept in the kitchen
"You preparing for a break-in, or Armageddon?"
@@bandgeekforlife406 Yes.
This is complete madness and I love it. Thank you for the video, and kudos to Epic Games for giving Remedy full carte blanche in creating AW2.
Personally after playing this DLC I want someone to adore me like Rose Adores Alan Wake 😂
The ripple effect corporation is just Monarch
🎤In Nigh Springs
Caught in an endless time loop🎵
Happy 1 yr anniversary of Alan Wake 2!
I like how you might consider the opposite of a remedy to be a poison pill.
I absolutely love how Sam went "yeah I'm canon now"
I’m excited to see you break down this confusing dlc to me
fantastic. you just got a sub
I don't know if anyone told you yet, but in control, a game I played and beat, Alan Wake is in the same universe as control. In the vault in control Alan Wake's typewriter is considered an altered item
Yooo I been waiting on this since this dropped
Is so funny to have the time breaker stuff in there seeing as remedy really wanna connect quantum break into the universe 😂
Is this really all taking place before the events of AW2 like you said? The way I personally took it is after Alan learns that it is a spiral and not a loop, he starts writing these stories to gather all of these people together to help him
Door mentions their previous collaboration on Night Springs during their confrontation.
Just played it, in the third chapter there’s a sheet of paper that says YOU ARE HERE with an arrow pointing about halfway through a sketch of a spiral. It’s after, whatever is happening in this story Alan has made his way partially out of the spiral
I'd argue that "Number One Fan" is actually just a fanfic written by Rose.
We can go with Alan hijacking it and writing "one of her delusions became real" to possibly take a shortcut, but the actual contents just don't fit his style.
I´m actually so happy that Sam Lake and Remedy still holds Quantum Break's story as part of Alan Wake's canonical events (as well as Control's). I hope they somehow recover the IP from Microsoft because wtf there are a lot more strings to pull from all the characters there (for example that Martin Hatch is just like an early version of Warlin Door).
God, Mr. Door is just the coolest sidecharacter I've seen.
Im here because i can't play it on steam but still love the alan wake story.
Unfortunately im not downloading a launcher and making a new account just for one game.
Thanks for the video man!!
I love Number one fan😂
Just in time for my dreadmill video!
This game is kust intriguing. Thx for another great explain video.
PHYSICALS for Alan wake 2 are now available at Best Buy!!!!! For pre order I mean. Please support this game the physical of your a console gamer
Yes! I finally plan to buy it. We really need to stop with these digital only games crap. Black myth wukong is going through something similar as it has no physical.
I will buy the collectors edition 👌
A game with both Tim Breaker & Jesse Faden, yes please Mr Lake ❤
Isn’t the coffee likely an allegory for the Hiss from Control?
Losing my mind at the Control reference!!!!!
I think part of Alans Goal in writing these Episodes is „defining“ the Dark Presence. The only way to stop it was to essentially put a face to the name, give it physical form, and then killing it. Night Springs are the first attempts at this.
He starts by writing what he knows, Mr Scratch. He refuses to accept what he really is, so he‘s written as his evil and arrogant Twin Brother. This is just his own delusion of course, and thats exactly how the story ends up becoming; so far from the truth that he ends up writing fan fiction about himself.
Next he reimagines the Taken as some sort of cult indoctrination using coffee. Still absurd, but closer to reality. His multiverse connection to Dr Casper Darling adds some FBC jargon into the mix to keep the conspiracy angle accurate. He finds that the Dark Presence and the Board are quite similar and adds that to the story as well. The issue is that either he‘d unable to finish the story, leading to the actual cult leader being the cults literal creator IE himself, or his subconscious takes over to try and tell him what he needs to do, but he‘s not that far in his journey yet to understand. He tosses this one aside, but keeps the Cult stuff to reuse later.
Finally, he tries embracing the Many Worlds Interpretation; that all fiction is just reality from another Universe. Here he tries to turn Warlin Door into the Antagonist/Dark Presence Manifest; that doesn‘t mean Mr Door is actually malevolent, Wakes Paranoia tends to make people trying to help him out to be monsters, which manifests in his writing. His attempt of explaining his situation „scientifically“ ends up leading him right back to where he started however, realizing that there is no higher power than himself and the may in fact be the monster of this story. Tim Breaker serves as the Hero in this story, likely inspiring Sagas Role in Return later.
TL;DR Alan tries to write the dark presence as his jealous Twin, an evil Cult Leader and a multiversal supervillain in order to find a way to defeat it, but each attempt ends up either dead in the water or leads straight back to him in the role of said villain. Thus in the loops where he writes Initiation and Return, he realizes that only he can be that „vessel“ for the Dark Presence, the only twist that makes sense with what the Story lends him
I think Ahti lives in all dimension, but Door won't attack him because he's a god level entity. Door seems to only dislike humans peering into his Doors.
I have just discovered that in the first scene when Tim talks to Sam, Sam is not blinking - not once! If you pay close attention you can see that Tim is actually blinking his eyes but Sam is not! What does that mean?
Also you have the Black and white triangles in different location in locked crates that you need to translate(North Star)
Rose reminds me of Juliet Starling from Lollipop Chainsaw and that's a feeling I was happy to have
Rose is such a likeable bad ass! I lowkey have a crush on this small town dits!
"In charge of the multiverse" is a reach. Just because he is trying to eliminate threats to it, doesnt automatically mean hes in charge
Nor do we know that eliminating threats is his goal?
At 16:25 - 16:37, Does anyone else feel like Remedy is hinting they would like to get back to Quantum Break at some point?
I hope we get a Shawn Ashmore/Tim Breaker game in the near future.
"You'll come back for me.. ha maybe" Quantum Break
Third part of the Dlc Fried my brain so many hidden chooses during the Written part. You even create the device Alan uses to travel between zones in the darkness. Jesse is breakers wife/love interest in a different universe my god this dlc was Amazing but only thing confused me a bit was Roses part I get it’s not Wake leading and I guess she starts the retirement home at the moment but theirs still plot holes.
SAM LAKE, YOU HAAAACK!
It’s not a spiral, it’s many spirals.
I never played quantum break. But I get all the alan wake and control lore tho
There should be a dlc explaining why Saga is different from QB Saga. Maybe she’s an alternative version.
shit i didn't realize this expansion came out and i loved aw2. just getting excited for playing the new expansion this weekend when this popped into my feed and i'm completely and utterly sold by the twist @ 3:00. i don't even need to keep watching. thumbs up. i'm going to go play this one first now
I don't remember meeting Ahti in the third episode, I think i just threw the device into an ocean