Butterfly Viscaria Blade Review with Liam Pitchford!

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  • Опубликовано: 17 дек 2024

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  • @christianhaugaard5853
    @christianhaugaard5853 8 лет назад +46

    Zhang Jikes blade

  • @spaamnk
    @spaamnk 7 лет назад +3

    Classic and fantastic blade. Good speed, spin and control.

  • @josejuan4190
    @josejuan4190 8 лет назад +5

    Dan, thanks for the review, I have been using the blade for almost a year and I love it.. thanks for the wonderful review...

    • @shpingalet7895
      @shpingalet7895 8 лет назад +1

      Hi, can you tell more about your blade? What do you enjoy using it? How do you like to play? What rubbers do you use on it? What's your ranking? Thanks!

    • @josejuan4190
      @josejuan4190 8 лет назад +2

      Hello, IM on my second set of rubbers on the blade, when I first bought it i had tenergy 05Fx on the forehand and yazaka rakza 7 soft on the backhand, i changed it and used the rakza soft on the forehand but I did a bad job on the re gluing that I damage the rubber, so i change to my current rubbers, nittaku fast arc c-1 on the forehand and tenergy 64 backhand, I will change to tenergy 05 and tenergy 64. but I also plan to get another viscaria as backup so i can try other rubbers, I love the blade. when IM playing my best im around 1500 usatt rating...

    • @fortitude1208
      @fortitude1208 Год назад

      @@josejuan4190you disnt say nothing

  • @gloinpower
    @gloinpower 8 лет назад +55

    A bit late for Viscaria review :D But I'll take it anyways

  • @paullim6509
    @paullim6509 8 лет назад +19

    can you please review the butterfly petr korbel

  • @d.r.5402
    @d.r.5402 8 лет назад +9

    I love your reviews. Such good stuff. You really seem to take your time on examining the aspects. Thank you and please keep on!

  • @quickzilver333
    @quickzilver333 8 лет назад +15

    The problem that I have with Viscaria is that it has so many weight variations. I had two Viscarias 84 grams and 90 grams. So it is very hard to find an exact back up blade even when I ask the seller/vendor to weigh the blade before sending it to me they still sent me the wrong weight blade. The weight difference varies between 80 grams- 95 grams.
    The one on the video is the Newest version of the Viscaria.

  • @joacogoleador
    @joacogoleador 8 лет назад +5

    What a player is Liam, I love him !

  • @stevenvanzoelen
    @stevenvanzoelen 7 лет назад +9

    Butterfly TB ZLC (for me)is a better frame. I played both. More control and better topspin from my point of view. I also like the vibration after blocking with the TB ZLC. I played one year with Viscaria and Tenergy 05 (max). The first day I used TB ZLC I was in for a surprise. Weeks later I switched. My style is to attack. Nonetheless I don't recommend fast frames and fast rubbers to average players. Start with wooden (5ply) frames from Stiga and good rubbers like sriver or yasaka V. Control is the key to success. I play table-tennis for more then 40 years. Good luck! Steve.

    • @fortitude1208
      @fortitude1208 Год назад

      Yes.. without a very very good techink i think its usless.. better take some wooden blade like stiga or peter corble, feel free to take a stroke, feel the game, enjoy..
      im returnd after 7,8 years to tt and i decide i will not buy Viscaria becouse i cant train hard as i train earlier.. good attacking game need 5 times a week training. And i already have hard time with a lot slower carbon blade and spiny rubber dignics 05 max.. im geting frustratee, dont feel comofrtable to play.. i will buy maybe some wooden blade .. i lowe all round, control attack and block.. cheers

  • @okitaufik4871
    @okitaufik4871 8 лет назад +2

    Liam is awesome !! Dan thanks for the video

  • @ChristopherMangels
    @ChristopherMangels 8 лет назад +9

    I really do love your videos - they are really a boost for the Table Tennis community! They would be even more awesome with the support of a vocal coach. Just a thought. Keep up your great work!

  • @MrTlhayes
    @MrTlhayes 8 лет назад +7

    they are not the same the viscaria is a balsa core and thicker, look on the item description off of their website. where did you get kiri from?

    • @JayB-lz6yd
      @JayB-lz6yd 5 лет назад

      do you still think that? beause Kiri paulownia has same properties than balsa. except that it doesn't break as fast. a core ply needs to be strong. pure balsa blades tend to break with pro players. fact.

  • @Dr.OneilAakashBiswas1038
    @Dr.OneilAakashBiswas1038 8 лет назад +6

    Can you kindly do a review of timo bill spirit and tenergy 05? Thank you. Bdw love your reviews!! Great work by Dan and Tom!!

  • @OverseerKevin
    @OverseerKevin 7 лет назад +2

    I'm retiring my DHS Hurricane Long 5 blades.
    I just picked up a Viscaria yesterday and it's amazing!!!!! I've got Hurricane 8 on the forehand. And Tenergy 05 on the backhand. And it's really proved to me why so many top players use this blade. Great review.

    • @ananthahegde8476
      @ananthahegde8476 5 лет назад

      Don't get me wrong long 5 is a great blade, but I find it difficult to switch flanks with it while attack as compared toa bty gergely, haven't tried viscaria though

  • @jomartianio5457
    @jomartianio5457 7 лет назад +6

    Please make a review of DHS MA Long Hurricane V blade thanks.. =)

  • @elg0rdo351
    @elg0rdo351 4 года назад +2

    That tiny hologram lens makes the blade look cheap af whereas the old Arylate lens looked exclusive and cool. Additionally, the new ST grip is different from the old one of the Viscaria. :0

  • @fajara6124
    @fajara6124 2 года назад

    Superb backhand of Liam...

  • @Detherocable
    @Detherocable 5 лет назад +1

    Late, but would you look at that spin on Liam's backhand? Wow!

  • @scottcooper9601
    @scottcooper9601 8 лет назад +3

    800 views, everyone surely should help out TTD and Dan and hit that like button guys :)
    Another awesome review bud, just need more of them. Say 1 a week mate ;)

    • @shpingalet7895
      @shpingalet7895 8 лет назад

      1 a month would be not bad at all. It's hard to make such stuff weekly. Expensive first of all :) Secondly it must be a priority thing that you work on all week and deliver a review at the end of it.

    • @scottcooper9601
      @scottcooper9601 8 лет назад +1

      Shpinga let, I am winding him up cuz he ain't got time for 1 a year lol

    • @shpingalet7895
      @shpingalet7895 8 лет назад

      :D

  • @IHadToChooseThis1
    @IHadToChooseThis1 6 лет назад +4

    Hey Dan! I really liked your review. How about a review about the Timo Boll Spirit next ? :)

  • @LanceChhuanaRalte
    @LanceChhuanaRalte 7 лет назад +3

    Dan, which one you'll prefer - Garaydia ALC or Viscaria??

  • @ХусанРахимов-я3ь
    @ХусанРахимов-я3ь 4 года назад +5

    Conclusion! Liam has very good technique 😁

  • @shpingalet7895
    @shpingalet7895 8 лет назад +2

    Liam has an excellent technique! Ideal timing! No wonder he needs such a stiff blade like this :)
    Dan, big thanks for explaining the blade's composition and for making comparisons with other blades like Boll ALC and Apolonia. Those are the most interesting parts for me. Really helpful.
    Please consider reviewing Boll ZLC and Freitas ALC blades.
    Your reviews are so interesting to watch, like some sort of TV series :) Too bad it's not weekly but it would be great if it was at least monthly ;) As always, great job!
    Buy the way where's Tom? Aren't you guys hanging around anymore?

  • @goran.gabourel7267
    @goran.gabourel7267 8 лет назад +3

    Can you please do a review of stiga clipper wood with stiga aioric astro m on both sides

  • @topseda
    @topseda 6 лет назад +2

    Please review timo boll spirit. I need to know if tbs has more control than tbalc or viscaria. Thanks

  • @ВладКарлащук
    @ВладКарлащук 5 лет назад +1

    Hello, and why did Viscaria review with Liam Pitchford and not with Zhang Jike?

  • @peachcat2812
    @peachcat2812 4 года назад +2

    there is sort off an unwritten rule that whenever the opponent does an around the net/behind the back shot, you are basically not allowed to win the point

  • @sammyfeinstein9165
    @sammyfeinstein9165 8 лет назад +2

    Hi dan, I am the nephew of the 1938 tt world champion in doubles, Sol Schiff. I love your reviews, and would like to talk.
    Thanks

  • @imuresan1560
    @imuresan1560 6 лет назад +4

    Pitchford is using a Mizutani blade recently. Both against Fan Zhendong and now against Japan team. Dan or anyone. Any idea which one is it. The ZLC or the super ZLC?

    • @yasserharban3507
      @yasserharban3507 6 лет назад

      iMuresan I was spoken to lim he confirmed that for he use Mizutani ZLC

  • @arhon888
    @arhon888 2 года назад

    Are you planning to review the new Viscaria Super ALC? Would love to see this.

  • @blueeyednick
    @blueeyednick 8 лет назад +5

    These days I was just considering if I wanna buy Viscaria or not and poof this came in :D

  • @heruherumani2117
    @heruherumani2117 3 года назад +1

    what kind of rubber is viscaria suitable for forehand?.

  • @jason81949
    @jason81949 7 лет назад +1

    Hi, thank you for the detail review! Im currently choosing between Viscaria and Stiga Emerald vps v ~~ very undecided. Any comment on these two blades? I like the natural woody feeling, it has good direct feeling of the ball ,but looks like the viscaria is also pretty good and could be faster and easier to loop? I am a two side looper, usually short pushes on serves return, then attacking on the 3rd or 4th balls, then go into mid distance looping on rallies~~ please give some recommendations! Thank you!

    • @nikkelssonn6388
      @nikkelssonn6388 7 лет назад

      jason81949 I'm same type of player as you and I have fallen in love with viscaria I think it will suit you too.

  • @fvazquez64
    @fvazquez64 Год назад

    Thanks for the review, but what about the rubbers? which ones would you recommend for a medium experienced player?

  • @dannyberona671
    @dannyberona671 8 лет назад +3

    Can you guys do a Tenergy 05 review please?

  • @BollForte94
    @BollForte94 8 лет назад +5

    Hey Dan,
    I would love to see a review about the Liu Shiwen ZLF. What do you think?

    • @EkcoEkco2k12
      @EkcoEkco2k12 8 лет назад +1

      omg ure still alive. new video coming soon?

    • @BollForte94
      @BollForte94 8 лет назад +1

      Hey Ekco, thank you for recognizing me :) my videos are very old.
      I would love to make a new video but I got a shitty laptop and only Windows Movie Maker ... :(

  • @rastkojacimovic9727
    @rastkojacimovic9727 2 года назад

    Is the Andro Treiber CO OFF / S good replacement for Viscaria, what is the similarity in speed and control?

  • @wholesomechiro
    @wholesomechiro 7 лет назад +1

    Hi Dan. In your opinion is Ovcharov True Carbon blade similar to viscaria? Would you recommend buying it instead if a person is on the budget?

    • @ttjesus4959
      @ttjesus4959 3 года назад

      They're similar blades. Same sort of construction. However, the OTC is faster than Viscaria and has a straight throw angle. Viscaria has a higher throw angle. Both blades are honestly only meant for high level players. But, I suppose it's good for the market for all the amateurs to buy the popular pro stuff, even though they'd be way better off with something much slower

    • @randsp3c709
      @randsp3c709 3 года назад

      @@ttjesus4959 what do u recommend I have a infinity vps v , I've played for a long time but recreationally, only recently playing more competitively and I already feel like I could handle a faster paddle

  • @candylaria5414
    @candylaria5414 6 лет назад

    Confused between what attributes are for the wood and what for the rubbers. 🙄🤔
    Heard some of those as well in his rubber reviews... 😅

  • @yifanliu1016
    @yifanliu1016 4 года назад +3

    is that Peter Crouch playing table tennis? :D

    • @lightice1387
      @lightice1387 4 года назад

      No, I think it is Liam Pitchford playing Tennis 🎾

  • @a7lyqq
    @a7lyqq 8 лет назад +3

    It s in Stoke on trent ??
    oh I was there !

  • @jonathanoh8328
    @jonathanoh8328 7 лет назад

    Hey dan! Nice video, and could you tell me where you got your red flooring? I’m looking to get some.

  • @armindiaz7428
    @armindiaz7428 8 лет назад

    Esta madera la sigue usando Zhang jike. Y muy bueno eso de resaltar la composición de placas con la que esta construida la madera

  • @adventureofskyrim7248
    @adventureofskyrim7248 8 лет назад +1

    Which has more control, viscaria or Timo Boll ALC?

  • @PilyongInggo
    @PilyongInggo Год назад

    I want to have t05 on both side of my viscaria FL 😥... Too expensive.. Cost PHP 4,000.00 here in the Philippines..
    Im currently using battle 2 forehand boosted.. And Glayzer on my backhand side.. Soon I'll change my forehand to Tenergy 05 for more consistent forehand...

  • @andyyang2482
    @andyyang2482 7 лет назад

    Great review, is it possible to do a review for DHS hurricane long V

  • @christianadriananiceta2753
    @christianadriananiceta2753 7 лет назад

    How close are butterfly chinese al or Butterfly Taksim to viscaria?
    are they cpen version of viscaria?

  • @ГлебПолищук-с8о
    @ГлебПолищук-с8о 7 лет назад

    tb spirit slower than viscaria? which blade is softer feeling? which blade have more control?

  • @taw6102
    @taw6102 7 лет назад

    nice review
    thanks DAN....

  • @guillermomorales6158
    @guillermomorales6158 3 года назад

    My blade is viscaria cs penhold grip and I love it my game is better than before.😍👍

  • @notisp
    @notisp 2 года назад

    Please make a review for the viscaria super alc!!!!

  • @attilakoblos1302
    @attilakoblos1302 Год назад

    Can you do a review of DHS Hurricane Long 5 please?

  • @bobpuls
    @bobpuls 8 лет назад

    Are you sure the core is made from kiri ?
    because it looks like balsa and also butterfly they self are writing it is made from balsa wood.

    • @WorthlessGeek
      @WorthlessGeek 8 лет назад

      If it was balsa, the blade would most likely be a lot lighter

    • @bobpuls
      @bobpuls 8 лет назад

      it does not have to...

  • @seehyunk386
    @seehyunk386 6 лет назад

    viscaria was a good blace? timo boll = viscaria was same
    speed?

  • @elisanabria2068
    @elisanabria2068 3 года назад

    What rubbers Liam use with the Viscaria?

  • @suayodsawee5843
    @suayodsawee5843 8 лет назад

    What a difference between Visacaria and Zhang Jike ALC blade?

  • @michielschimmel
    @michielschimmel Год назад

    the comparison viscaria with apolonia blade is imo incorrect ... the apolonia has the carbon fiber like an innerforce direct situated at the ayous core (limba-limba-ZLC-Ayous-ZLC-Limba-Limba) the viscaria has an outerforce construction (Koto-ALC-limba-Kiri-Limba-ALC-koto) . The outerforce is more stiff than innerforce due to the positioning of the carbon fibers not because of koto or limba at the outerlayer.. koto outerlayer is a bit harder than limba so gives a bit less dwell time ... the combination woodcore, veneers (hard, soft ,weight ) and position of the fibers determine speed and feel of the blade, NOT just the outerveneers !!

  • @ultramagneticsago6329
    @ultramagneticsago6329 8 лет назад +15

    a review of DHS PG7 plss! :D

  • @wholesomechiro
    @wholesomechiro 6 лет назад

    Does tibhar Mxs go well with viscaria for backhand

  • @Нейросетьконтентпланетакотов

    What is the basis (racket) played by Liam?

  • @actionmayne3742
    @actionmayne3742 8 лет назад

    Dan, im from the UK. i have never been a member of a club but i would like to play competitively and hopefully become ranked in the UK, how do i go about doing this? thanks

    • @lazoahmed733
      @lazoahmed733 8 лет назад

      Action Mayne get a membership from table tennis englang and start attending tournaments to gain points.

    • @kishenpankhania363
      @kishenpankhania363 8 лет назад +1

      If you've never played in a club, its advisable to find one near you and start playing against others, gain some local experience/coaching and then start entering tournaments when your ready

    • @UnseenSpirit
      @UnseenSpirit 8 лет назад

      Most people at tournaments are pretty good. If you play casually then I'd advise you to train at a club for quite a while. Google clubs near you and train. Jumping in to tournaments may be the worse thing to do if you have expectations to win a game or two

  • @ralphpichler1517
    @ralphpichler1517 6 лет назад +1

    Hey Dan,
    In which league could you play in German or Austrian?

  • @ManuB3581
    @ManuB3581 7 лет назад

    This review would have been very helpful a a few months earlier !! Anyway I had gone ahead and got myself a Viscaria , So far I think its awesome . I bought from an online store in India and unfortunately it seems i have been sold an older production date blade , the packaging is the older type with the transparent plastic sheet on one side type. Biggest problem with Indian online sites selling TT equipment , old stuff many times.

    • @nikkelssonn6388
      @nikkelssonn6388 7 лет назад +2

      Manu B if its the older version its even better and more valuable

    • @solomasla6977
      @solomasla6977 3 года назад +1

      I think it's the fake version of the older one :))

  • @PenaceaID
    @PenaceaID 7 лет назад

    please review sword gold / blue feather blade since no one discuss about it in the entire youtube universe, and dont forget to use cheap (less than $30 / sheet) Chinese rubber like milky way, etc.

  • @jasonrai696
    @jasonrai696 2 года назад

    A review on Long 5 blade would be great 👍

  • @saimtime
    @saimtime 7 лет назад +2

    How would you compare Viscaria to the Garaydia ALC?

  • @PolowanieNaSlonie
    @PolowanieNaSlonie 6 лет назад

    Hello Dan, did You use 2,1mm sponge thickness or was it less?

  • @danielsolis4369
    @danielsolis4369 8 лет назад

    can you do a review of donic acuda blu?

  • @whyse509
    @whyse509 8 лет назад

    and what rubber do you use on this blade?

  • @kevmac6558
    @kevmac6558 3 года назад

    To say liam handles this blade well is an underestimation he obviously felt there is subtle problems in the short game or he wouldn't of changed, i for one have used this blade and know it is a powerhouse in all aspects of topspin but suffers in the short game unless in pro hands..

    • @fortitude1208
      @fortitude1208 Год назад

      Yes.. without a very very good techink i think its usless.. better take some wooden blade like stiga or peter corble, feel free to take a stroke, feel the game, enjoy..
      im returnd after 7,8 years to tt and i decide i will not buy Viscaria becouse i cant train hard as i train earlier.. good attacking game need 5 times a week training. And i already have hard time with a lot slower carbon blade and spiny rubber dignics 05 max.. im geting frustratee, dont feel comofrtable to play.. i will buy maybe some wooden blade .. i lowe all round, control attack and block.. cheers

  • @danielplainview4587
    @danielplainview4587 8 лет назад

    anyone know about what Dan's USATT rating would be? seems easily over 2000

    • @daniyalhassan7441
      @daniyalhassan7441 8 лет назад

      Patrick Hicks
      about 2200

    • @Alex_Averin_TT
      @Alex_Averin_TT 8 лет назад

      daniyal hassan lol no easily 2300-2400

    • @keenansouthall1861
      @keenansouthall1861 8 лет назад +1

      Patrick Hicks I've played with dan and he's around 2000-2100, quite a solid player!

  • @supermasilla
    @supermasilla 8 лет назад +14

    Viscaria is really nice, but imo it´s too much for any Amateur/intermediate even advance player due to it´s bouncy nature and lack of control. No amateur need any ALC based blade for a fully development of his game

    • @kochtrevor
      @kochtrevor 8 лет назад +7

      With a real coach it honestly doesn't matter.

    • @lockaze
      @lockaze 6 лет назад +1

      I really don’t find it that bouncy. I have a ~87 gram Viscaria and a 95 gram Korbel. I find it easier to play with the Viscaria than the Korbel

  • @17teacmrocks
    @17teacmrocks 6 лет назад

    that's not true. the ply dimensions are not the same. they only look that way bc the img is blurry. other people have compared the compositions with microscopes next to the tb alc. the viscaria's ALC layers don't line up with the TB's so there's a difference somewhere. the feel and output of the viscaria is distinctly different from tb alc

  • @danielflores4278
    @danielflores4278 2 года назад

    Now you need another review with his new equipment, sponsored by victas.
    Victas rubbers and blades are very good too. 👌

  • @MaxPower2307
    @MaxPower2307 8 лет назад

    I think a TSP REGALIS red/blue review would be nice. It's a Japan rubber and could be an alternative for all the esn rubbers! Would also be your first TSP review. :-)

  • @yieeehh5868
    @yieeehh5868 4 года назад +1

    now you change to viscaria right

  • @michnenntmanthelegend453
    @michnenntmanthelegend453 8 лет назад +1

    Make a Test with the SK7 Korbel Pls
    GOOD VIDEO NICE

  • @sukrusnc1291
    @sukrusnc1291 3 года назад

    Viscaria is very expensive. İs there any alternative blade to viscaria?

  • @billhsu5883
    @billhsu5883 5 лет назад +1

    Hope you could get liam pitchford again and do a review about mizutani zlc :)

  • @ajitrisetiyatmoko7958
    @ajitrisetiyatmoko7958 3 года назад

    How good?viscaria or timoboll alc

  • @andreferreira28
    @andreferreira28 7 лет назад

    Which rubbers do they use

  • @christianadriananiceta2753
    @christianadriananiceta2753 7 лет назад

    I heard that the original viscaria have 5 ply handle
    while a fake one would have 3

  • @ivanpupkin6508
    @ivanpupkin6508 7 лет назад

    Viscaria vs TBS what difference?

  • @lennox_3261
    @lennox_3261 6 лет назад

    What for stuff Liam plays on forehand and backhand?

  • @desilegend5566
    @desilegend5566 4 года назад

    Stiga carbnado 145 vs VISCARIA fl who in win

  • @jaff77
    @jaff77 8 лет назад

    Thanks for the review dan. Would be nice if you could review another all-time classic wood, DHS Hurricane Wang Liqin :)

    • @a7lyqq
      @a7lyqq 8 лет назад +1

      Jaffar Lone I happen to have this one ready to sell, do u want it ?

    • @jaff77
      @jaff77 8 лет назад

      Yao Li you mean viscaria??

    • @a7lyqq
      @a7lyqq 8 лет назад

      Jaffar Lone No, wang liqin blade

    • @jaff77
      @jaff77 8 лет назад

      Yao Li i already have it. Thanks anyway :)

    • @WorthlessGeek
      @WorthlessGeek 8 лет назад

      Do you mean the Hurricane King or the H-WL? Completely different blades

  • @hongrand
    @hongrand 7 лет назад +1

    Hurricane 3 Neo please!

  • @taw6102
    @taw6102 7 лет назад

    what about its durability and blade splinter?t

  • @jimmoas
    @jimmoas 8 лет назад

    does Liam use max m.m rubber?

  • @christianhaugaard5853
    @christianhaugaard5853 8 лет назад

    Is it correct that Tenergy 05 is not a tensor rubber?

  • @peters9793
    @peters9793 3 года назад

    look at those spin liam has. They are tremendously fast.

  • @palakneelansh9290
    @palakneelansh9290 6 лет назад +1

    i have also taken viscaria blade

    • @JayB-lz6yd
      @JayB-lz6yd 5 лет назад

      if you ask, you probably don't have the level for it so... forget.

  • @benmochen4480
    @benmochen4480 6 лет назад

    Where to buy?

  • @seehyunk386
    @seehyunk386 6 лет назад

    viscaria is a good blade?

  • @shivang365
    @shivang365 7 лет назад

    ALCTimo ball review ?

  • @christianhaugaard5853
    @christianhaugaard5853 8 лет назад

    Anyone knows why www.ittf.com/ittf_ranking/ is not working

    • @shpingalet7895
      @shpingalet7895 8 лет назад

      try using this www.old.ittf.com/ittf_ranking/

    • @cxxxrbon
      @cxxxrbon 8 лет назад

      www.ittf.com/rankings/

  • @Paul-zv9kv
    @Paul-zv9kv 6 лет назад

    What are the differences between viscaria and viscaria light?

    • @jamesharvey7089
      @jamesharvey7089 5 лет назад +1

      Sandman the viscaria light is lighter and is a 5 ply (3+2) compared to the usual 7 ply (5+2) design of the standard viscaria

  • @dinsantanamal555
    @dinsantanamal555 2 года назад

    Haiii Dan TableTennis Daily what rubber does Pitcford use in his viscaria blade, please inform me, thank you.

  • @459jyo5
    @459jyo5 8 лет назад +1

    Viscaria converted to MICHEAL MAZE ALC and TIMOBOLL ALC

    • @JayB-lz6yd
      @JayB-lz6yd 5 лет назад

      Maze ALC is limba surface not Koto. Freitas ALC is the new Maze.

  • @misterawesome1234
    @misterawesome1234 8 лет назад +1

    is this reupload?