The FAILURE of THE FLASH (1990): Let's Do Batman (1989) On TV!

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    In this episode, we explore the intriguing story of "The Flash" TV series from 1990 and how its unfortunate fate contrasts with the soaring success of "Batman" (1989) on the big screen.
    Join us as we unravel the journey of "The Flash" TV series, which attempted to bring the Scarlet Speedster to television audiences in the early '90s. With its high hopes and ambitious vision, the show starred talented actors, cutting-edge special effects, and thrilling storylines. However, despite its initial promise, the show faced numerous challenges that ultimately led to its cancellation.
    We'll delve into a captivating comparison between "Batman" (1989), the iconic Tim Burton-directed film that redefined superhero cinema, and "The Flash" (1990) TV series. Why did one soar while the other stumbled? What factors contributed to the divergence in their success?
    Though "The Flash" TV series experienced setbacks, it remains an essential chapter in the evolution of superhero adaptations, even getting some closure decades later in The Flash 2014 series on the CW. We'll discuss the lessons that can be learned from its shortcomings and how it paved the way for future superhero successes on both television and the big screen.
    We invite you to share your thoughts in the comments section below. Which version of The Flash did you prefer? Are you a die-hard fan of the '90s TV series or the modern interpretation? Let's have a lively and respectful discussion about these iconic superheroes and their adaptations.
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  • @dbeane43
    @dbeane43 Год назад +101

    To this day I still imagine a Justice League movie with Michael Keaton, Christopher Reeve, Linda Carter, and John Wesley Shipp. I can make due with the piece Alex Ross did.

  • @danielarizmendy5399
    @danielarizmendy5399 Год назад +158

    I met John at a con a few years ago. He was coming back from lunch and I turned a corner and he towered over me. I was speechless and he was nice, “Don’t worry bud, handshakes are free.” Shook his hand and told him I was a fan. His hand is huge.

    • @barryallenflash1
      @barryallenflash1 Год назад +14

      Isn't he though? Just one of the coolest guys I've ever met. He LOVES his fans and it shows, otherwise he
      wouldn't be AT the con. I got a selfie with him this year in my Jay costume. I got an autographed pic of him and Grant at another con in 2015....just a super nice guy!

    • @thomassutherland2647
      @thomassutherland2647 Год назад +6

      Sort of how I met Joe DiMaggio. I went to get giant pretzels, and it turned out that He's a fan of them too. Oh, and He was gigantic!

    • @travishiltz4750
      @travishiltz4750 Год назад +6

      Yes. The Flash show was good, not great, but John WS is one of the nicest guys on the planet.

    • @barryallenflash1
      @barryallenflash1 Год назад +2

      @@travishiltz4750 It was/is like a Adam West Batman for the 90's. Cheesy, funny, serious....ya know....all the fun stuff!

    • @travishiltz4750
      @travishiltz4750 Год назад +2

      @@barryallenflash1 Not dissing the show. I started rewatching it after meeting JWS at a con, and I'm having fun, but it spends a lot of time stumbling around, trying to figure out what it wants to be.
      Shame it never got a second season.

  • @RavenBlaze420
    @RavenBlaze420 Год назад +719

    Can All Just Agree That John WS is the greatest live action Flash. He is literally the Keaton Of Flashes

    • @HarryBuddhaPalm
      @HarryBuddhaPalm Год назад +86

      We can all agree that you don't know what the word "literally" means.

    • @wbennin
      @wbennin Год назад +15

      Agreed! He is great!

    • @AdamaSanguine
      @AdamaSanguine Год назад +26

      Perhaps not literally, but I agree, he's was pretty awesome! ⚡😎

    • @yojoe8599
      @yojoe8599 Год назад +21

      Facts. Even got my grandma into this show back when it aired. Still my favorite live action adaptation of flash. Sucks we never got a season 2😢

    • @rairai5114
      @rairai5114 Год назад +7

      Yeah, he was perfect.

  • @brainchild8626
    @brainchild8626 Год назад +305

    I LOVED THIS SHOW!!!.. The show obviously had a MASSIVE cult following.. Such a following that John Wesley Shipp had at least 3 different roles on the 2014 Flash show... Without this show... You wouldn't have had a Smallville, Arrow, or The Flash... 💯💯✊🏾✊🏾

    • @solomonverrico
      @solomonverrico Год назад +17

      He also played Thawne in an episode of Brave and the Bold.

    • @freddiejohnson6137
      @freddiejohnson6137 Год назад +15

      The thing with the Arrowvesre is they did like to bring in people who had roles in older DC shows which was always great. Although I disagree that without this show newer shows wouldn't have been made since it wasn't on long enough to get anything more of a cult following and it probably wasn't until Lois and Clark that a show got a chance to get any kind of long term audience but that and Smallville would have been made regardless of this as Superman in general is guaranteed to get people watching.

    • @Getwright-
      @Getwright- Год назад +9

      I also loved the show but i dont think without it we wouldn’t have gotten newer comic shows. Comic shows are just a result of comic movies doing good. It happened with arrow and the nolan batman movies, this show and 89 batman and even before the movies with shows like Wonder Woman and the incredible hulk

    • @kevwwong
      @kevwwong Год назад +5

      @@freddiejohnson6137 It was so great to see the Arrowverse Flash show respect to CBS Flash. But they were always good at that.

    • @sdelmonte
      @sdelmonte Год назад +2

      Maybe four, since there is some dispute whether the Jay Garrick on Stargirl is the one from The Flash.

  • @dariusq8894
    @dariusq8894 Год назад +108

    I used tune-in to watch "The Flash" and was heartbroken when it was cancelled. The Batman-esque theme song and suit did a lot to sell the mood of the show.

    • @matthewa2531
      @matthewa2531 Год назад +10

      I hope Danny Elfman is remembered with the same reverence as John Williams.

    • @davidm4566
      @davidm4566 Год назад +5

      The show was perfectly cast with Barry, Tina, and Julio. They even has Mark Hamill as proto-Joker!
      I wish the stories would have been better and the look of the guest characters and acting was often strange.
      I still really enjoyed that show! It had so much potential.

    • @ladydamiana6841
      @ladydamiana6841 Год назад +1

      @@matthewa2531 IMO, Elfman's "Batman" (1989) score stands on equal ground with John Williams' "Superman" score.

    • @kennyboggs3676
      @kennyboggs3676 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@matthewa2531oh I'm pretty sure he will be he did create some iconic music scores same as Williams.

  • @JDPlaysMoth
    @JDPlaysMoth Год назад +40

    This show is so good, it still holds up, and John Wesley Shipp is a great leading man

  • @GeekFilter
    @GeekFilter Год назад +59

    From what they said at the time is the Flash was too expensive, it kept getting pre-empted by Gulf War news and they really wanted Carol Burnett on the network so they put the money into that (and then IT tanked). The SHOW wasn't a failure, the network just failed at scheduling it and continuing the promotion after the hype.

    • @alucard624
      @alucard624 Год назад +3

      Getting pre-empted and also trying to go up against The SImpsons when it was mega popular didn't help.

    • @GeekFilter
      @GeekFilter Год назад +1

      @@alucard624 Yup that's why I mentioned "it kept getting pre-empted by Gulf War news" I remember how frustrating that was and sometimes it was rescheduled for like 2 am (at least in my part of the US)

    • @apubakeralpuffdaddy392
      @apubakeralpuffdaddy392 Год назад +4

      My friend would record the Cosby Show on 1 TV-VCR, record the Flash on another, and watch the Simpsons. My friend said "If you are recording 2 shows and watching a third all at the same time, maybe you're watching too much TV". Maybe so LOL! However, you're correct, the Flash got screwed with the scheduling.

    • @GeekFilter
      @GeekFilter Год назад +2

      @@apubakeralpuffdaddy392 just sounds like you were consuming media like people would do in the early 2000s...in the 1990s. You are ahead of the curve!

  • @CouchCit
    @CouchCit Год назад +354

    To this day I maintain that the biggest problem with this show and ultimately the reason why it failed is because it was on CBS. They didn't know how to do "cool" TV at that time (and arguably still today). The show was ahead of its time.

    • @JohnDoe-wq5eu
      @JohnDoe-wq5eu Год назад +17

      I can't say the CW has done that many things right but I will say at least with the Flash and Arrow they got it right.
      Before everything on that channel collapsed and Warner Bros pulled most of it's properties.

    • @thecunninlynguist
      @thecunninlynguist Год назад +19

      always saw CBS as the old people network. I've never watched any of their primetime shows ever.

    • @JohnDoe-wq5eu
      @JohnDoe-wq5eu Год назад +4

      @@thecunninlynguist
      I was super big into CSI like all the various versions for a while. But that was literally it.

    • @dannyr2976
      @dannyr2976 Год назад +13

      The term 'ahead of its time' is so often overused but completely agree with you on this one, had noticed the show's Central City set was also used for both the 1970s Wonder Woman and 'Lois & Clark', respectively.

    • @Michael-bk5nz
      @Michael-bk5nz Год назад +2

      @@dannyr2976the problem with the phrase “ ahead of its time” is that there is no such thing, unless it was written by a time traveler, it is a product of its time

  • @mcurran6505
    @mcurran6505 Год назад +65

    It's a real shame The Flash (1990) lasted one season. If it had continued we could have more characters introduced like Wally West who might end up becoming Kid Flash, Jay Garrick; the Flash from another world and maybe Professor Zoom who might end up becoming a recurring villian.

    • @solomonverrico
      @solomonverrico Год назад +9

      Those were already part of the story, just dropped into the details. Jay was Barry's older brother in this, with Garrick being the address where STAR Labs was located. Professor Zoom was an identity Tina cooked up to present the idea that the Flash was deliberately created. Kid Flash was a villain in a one shot comic special (he wasn't Wally, just some juvenile delinquent who got off on stealing badges and gained superspeed). Hawkman even got a name drop in the second episode. It could have all lead to a multiverse to put all that in a more source-faithful context but I don't think the audience was ready for that in the late 90s.

    • @michaelsarmiento3057
      @michaelsarmiento3057 Год назад +4

      I would like to see the Rogues making an appearance in the Flash 1990s tv series as well as John Shipps version of the Reverse Flash.

    • @samclark379
      @samclark379 Год назад +5

      ​​@@michaelsarmiento3057Some of them (Mirror Master, Captain Cold, and Trickster, at least) already had, just not in comic accurate costumes. Rumor is that season 2 would have brought them all together.

    • @sdelmonte
      @sdelmonte Год назад +2

      The plan for the season two premiere was to have the Rogues team up.

    • @barryallenflash1
      @barryallenflash1 Год назад +1

      I have a magazine where they interviewed John. He said that IF they continued he would have done a "dark" Flash. One where he OVER uses his powers and does evil things...kinda like Reverse Flash. That would've been an interesting take on The Flash.

  • @batboy9997
    @batboy9997 Год назад +224

    Keaton and Shipp together would make one cool Justice League!

    • @darkwoods1954
      @darkwoods1954 Год назад +18

      With Dean Cains Superman.

    • @batboy9997
      @batboy9997 Год назад +8

      @@darkwoods1954 Nah, Brandon Routh

    • @ZamboniZone
      @ZamboniZone Год назад +5

      Second Dean Cain

    • @darkwoods1954
      @darkwoods1954 Год назад +10

      @@batboy9997 He would have been about 12 at the time though. That early 90s era was Keaton, Cain and Shipp.

    • @batboy9997
      @batboy9997 Год назад +4

      @@darkwoods1954 Routh was meant to be Reeves' Superman. Grey his hair up a bit and you got yourself an older Superman that would fit in fine with the other guys. IMO

  • @thepayne7862
    @thepayne7862 Год назад +27

    I bought the complete series a couple months ago on dvd ar Walmart for $15. Don't regret my purchase for one minute.

  • @CrimsonTemplar2
    @CrimsonTemplar2 Год назад +60

    This was one of the best superhero tv shows of all time imo. JWS & Amanda Pays played off each other so well & casting Mark Hamill as the Trickster was inspired. It had its faults & it was sentenced to an awful time slot, but I wager it would’ve improved by leaps & bounds if it’d gotten a second season.

    • @davidm4566
      @davidm4566 Год назад +5

      The show had such a strong foundation like you said. Great cast, interesting music, and a good suit. How many shows started off bad their first season but got better over time?

    • @spartanx169x
      @spartanx169x Год назад +1

      @@davidm4566 Seinfeld being the best example of that. First season was "meh" at best but got considerably better each season.

    • @matthewpatrick7263
      @matthewpatrick7263 Год назад +5

      @@davidm4566 Star Trek: The Next Generation, for one. Many shows improve in later seasons, given the chance.

    • @matthewgaudet4064
      @matthewgaudet4064 Год назад +2

      It led to Mark Hamill getting cast as the Joker in Batman TAS. Its a reason i can be glad it was cancelled. Otherwise i would have been sad for five minutes.

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@matthewgaudet4064 I mean mark could have been joker either way..he's not in the show every EP. Maybe twice.

  • @Aldrnari956
    @Aldrnari956 Год назад +53

    This show was a big part of getting me into super heroes and comics as a kid. It was a good show that like so many was just ahead of its time.

    • @barryallenflash1
      @barryallenflash1 Год назад +2

      THIS show actually caused me to have a Flash suit made for Halloween. Technically it was my first "cosplay" suit, I just didn't realize it at the time. I have made my own suit(s) for cosplay. I have a Barry AND a Jay suit. My next one is going to be Reverse Flash. This show inspired me to do this!

  • @ramonarjona4928
    @ramonarjona4928 Год назад +66

    I remember being told that many of the costumes for the Flash (1990) were reused from the TV show Werewolf (1987). Which leads me to say that you folks should totally do an episode on the Werewolf (1987) show because it was astounding.

    • @Nick_Nightingale
      @Nick_Nightingale Год назад +7

      Werewolf rocks

    • @mccallosone4903
      @mccallosone4903 Год назад +4

      yeah good show

    • @AaronLitz
      @AaronLitz Год назад +1

      Skorzeny still scares me.

    • @mattwilson8298
      @mattwilson8298 Год назад +1

      I watched that show religiously. Don't remember a thing about except the werewolf looked awesome.

    • @MikeGuerrero
      @MikeGuerrero Год назад +9

      Unless I'm horribly mistaken, wasn't Werewolf one of the first FOX Network shows back when they only aired on the weekends?

  • @jkinghorn
    @jkinghorn Год назад +50

    That's why I was always so stressed trying to find it on TV, they kept changing it! Kids today don't know the struggle! I loved the show, have the DVD full season set! Also thought it was awesome that JWS was on the new Flash series. CW really did good with callback characters in all their shows but having him as Barry's dad right from the get go was awesome.

    • @jrobson100
      @jrobson100 Год назад +3

      Yeah I bought the set and I and my wife happily watched the whole thing. Still holds up.

    • @xenos_n.
      @xenos_n. Год назад +4

      Yep, if you missed a show you were out of luck. Some things I don't miss about the old days.

    • @TJ52359
      @TJ52359 Год назад +5

      the Arrowverse and even Smallville before it were Kings at 'Mythology Casting'; getting actors from related properties to guest star
      Shipp as Henry would have been 'enough'... then they spun that into Earth 3? Jay... AND the Earth 90 cameo(s) (as Desert, Hamill, Pays, Shipp again; heck they even got the actor who played Bellows the (Honest) Cop from Flash 90 as Bellows the (crooked) Mayor on CW
      ** and IIRC there's even an episode where Henry explained that his Mom's Maiden Name was Garrick; and her father or favorite Uncle was named Jay (so in a world where she's a single Mother/ has a different baby father he woulda/coulda been named Jay Garrick; making Jay a Proper 'variant' implying that that is what happened; rather than just "odd that they look alike"

    • @alucard624
      @alucard624 Год назад +1

      I loved that 90's Flash got a proper ending as well in CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths. It was 100% appropriate that it was his Barry Allen that made the ultimate sacrifice like in the comics.

    • @barryallenflash1
      @barryallenflash1 Год назад +3

      Coolest show on TV at the time. It sucked that they kept changing the times/days! Set my VCR up to record and then BAM! NO FLASH! AAAAAAHHHH!!! That's okay, my best friend bought me the DVD set
      for Christmas, so NOW I can watch it whenever! YAY!

  • @wstine79
    @wstine79 Год назад +74

    Flash 1990 was a pretty good show. Mark Hamill was awesome as Trickster and Corinne Bohrer was great as Prank. Just as good as Joker and Harley Quinn.

    • @Statsy10
      @Statsy10 Год назад +4

      Corinne Bohrer was my 80's dream girl. I'm going to have to track down her Flash episodes.

    • @seibervideo
      @seibervideo Год назад +4

      Totally had a crush on Corinne Bohrer myself. 😅
      FYI: Amazon has the series on DVD for $10 right now.

    • @CantankerousDave
      @CantankerousDave Год назад +2

      Ah, Corinne Bohrer, the epitome of big-haired 80s cuteness for me. Also, that one scene in the movie Dead Solid Perfect.

    • @cooperminion825
      @cooperminion825 11 месяцев назад

      So glad they brought him on for the CW Flash to reprise his role

  • @darrenheideman2546
    @darrenheideman2546 Год назад +16

    I remember this show. It was actually my introduction to the character. I believe my parents still have a few episodes recorded on VHS.

    • @seibervideo
      @seibervideo Год назад +4

      I have a VHS tape still that has some episodes on it.

    • @darrenheideman2546
      @darrenheideman2546 Год назад +1

      @seibervideo Nice! One of the key episodes I remember was the one where a toddler knew his identity, but everyone thought he was playing.

  • @lukioptyx
    @lukioptyx Год назад +144

    The Trickster's episode was epic. Mark Hamill did such an amazing job.

    • @akshaytrayner1960
      @akshaytrayner1960 Год назад +9

      Yes that episode was awesome also the references to flash comic’s

    • @jrobson100
      @jrobson100 Год назад +11

      He reprises the role in the newer series and is both fantastic and terrifying.

    • @akshaytrayner1960
      @akshaytrayner1960 Год назад +5

      @@jrobson100 I wish he got more than 2 episodes

    • @MisterTorgo
      @MisterTorgo Год назад +3

      That's why they call me the HANGIN' judge!

    • @matsujonen
      @matsujonen Год назад +6

      Don't you mean the Cck knocker?

  • @comix1017
    @comix1017 Год назад +20

    Watching this show with my dad are some of my most cherished childhood memories. This and Lois and Clark, so awesome, love it! Loved seeing him come back in the CW Flash series, his appearances were always a highlight for me. Oh, and let's not forget he was Dawson's dad on Dawson's Creek lol

  • @doubledown0411
    @doubledown0411 Год назад +12

    Count me in as someone who watched from Episode 1, in spite of my love for the Simpsons. It's more insane that the Simpsons IS STILL ON almost 35 years later.

  • @jamesmoss3424
    @jamesmoss3424 Год назад +17

    The 90's Flash TV 📺 show should have never been canceled in the first. 😀👍

  • @jmartindale24
    @jmartindale24 Год назад +13

    I enjoyed the show as a kid. Cool that they brought Shipp back in the Multiverse.

  • @Bowen_Landry
    @Bowen_Landry Год назад +5

    "Live action. Animated. Live action, that looks like it's animated" I nearly died from that end part lol.

  • @kaitar0
    @kaitar0 Год назад +4

    This was the first live action show I got into as a kid. I remember dressing up as the Flash in grade 2 or 3 because of it!

  • @freddiejohnson6137
    @freddiejohnson6137 Год назад +16

    I remember it on TV when I was younger here in the UK and I always quite enjoyed it although watching it years later it was a shame they weren't allowed to have more villains from the comics in it. I believe from stuff I have read over the years that season 2 would have featured way more.

  • @cedarvalleygaming
    @cedarvalleygaming Год назад +8

    This was my favorite TV show at the time, did my best to never miss an episode.

  • @sonicguyver7445
    @sonicguyver7445 Год назад +8

    I loved that series as a kid. I watched it with my dad and we both really enjoyed it. When I saw the complete series on DVD I didn't hesitate to buy it. I think we taped The Flash so we could watch the Simpsons and go back to watch that. Watching it on DVD with a much better understand of the DC lore I picked up on a few things. Barry's older brother being named Jay and in the second episode after the premier Berry causes a car to crash and calls it in, saying it was on Garrick St. Also, Mark Hamill actually reprised his role before the CW. In Justice League Unlimited he played the Trickster in the episode "Flashpoint." But The Flash still stands as an entertainment tragedy for not getting more seasons, right up there with Brisco County Jr.

  • @khandigifer5254
    @khandigifer5254 Месяц назад +2

    Warner Archive has done a brand new 4k scan of the original film masters and is releasing the complete series on Bluray June 25th 2024. Everyone please support this release. Its a must own for all 90s Flash fans.

  • @ZachariahWiedeman
    @ZachariahWiedeman Год назад +5

    The 1990 Flash was definitely MY Flash. I was so gutted and bewildered when it didn't come back for a second season.

  • @Thatguy-uc3dy
    @Thatguy-uc3dy Год назад +3

    the 90s flash was way before my time, but when the cw flash aired and I learned about the existence of this show I had to watch it and I did, and oh... my god this show was way better than the cw show, in my eyes, the more mature flash, the more comic book accurate themes, Amanda Pays hmmm, and the suit, damn that suit looked FINE almost as fine as Amanda Pays, and surprisingly the special effects still holds up to this day, all of that was wrapped up in tim burton batman art gothic style and it had some 90s charm to it, that show was truly ahead of its time,I was so disappointed to learn that it was only 21 episodes, I wish that I had more of it to watch, but ultimately I was glad that it was even made.

  • @Summertimeblues28
    @Summertimeblues28 Год назад +9

    I watched it and liked it back in 1990. Mark Hamill was good on it as The Trickster.

  • @zumbi2000
    @zumbi2000 11 месяцев назад +1

    I loved this show! I also saw JWS at a con. He noticed a guy trying to sneak a picture and he just smiles and says “you don’t have to sneak a pic come on and get in the picture with me man.” They took the pic he shook the guys hand and told him to have fun at the con. It was really an awesome moment only overshadowed by me meeting my favorite Star Trek actors

  • @Tharsos2099
    @Tharsos2099 Год назад +3

    That suit, is still the standard for what the costume should look like.

  • @Yo__Nathan
    @Yo__Nathan Год назад +31

    Still carrying that “expensive failure” tradition in 2023 😅.

    • @rodneymercado7195
      @rodneymercado7195 Год назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @JustinWahlne
      @JustinWahlne Год назад +1

      Oof. Gonna need a senzu bean for that one.

    • @MikeOrtego
      @MikeOrtego Год назад +2

      I'm sure Grant Gustin is laughing his ass off now!

    • @charlescaine6022
      @charlescaine6022 Год назад +1

      The TV show was better

  • @cjk5115
    @cjk5115 Год назад +4

    It's a shame they couldn't make this show work, because I remember it well and it was very well done. John Wesley Shipp was fantastic in the role and I was so in love with Amanda Pays (the accent, the eyes). I'm glad it eventually gained a cult following (not to mention the love it gets here) and as bad as the CW Flash eventually became after the fourth season, I was happy Mr. Shipp was a part of it since he was so good 30 years prior. Great video.

  • @dionelr
    @dionelr Год назад +9

    I remember when this came out. Too bad it didn’t pan out. I enjoyed it. At least the cartoon cooperative storytelling adventure version worked out with Justice League.

  • @LordOfClarkness
    @LordOfClarkness Год назад +10

    I legit thought this was in cinemas back then. I remember my mom renting this on vhs for us, and years later the show aired on tv in my country. I was SO confused.

    • @darkwoods1954
      @darkwoods1954 Год назад +1

      In the UK they edited together episodes and released them on VHS as three movies so I had no idea it was a TV series

  • @stendec-dd3he
    @stendec-dd3he Год назад +6

    Excellent homage for a beloved short lived series . All the years later and I still wonder how a show with so much going for it didn't gel with the target audience.

    • @kevwwong
      @kevwwong Год назад +2

      It just wasn't a good fit for CBS, just like how Supergirl ended up not being a good fit for CBS. Back then, it probably would've made more sense to go the syndication route, like they did with Star Trek TNG.

    • @bmasters1981
      @bmasters1981 11 месяцев назад

      @@kevwwong And, OT, neither was the Tic Tac Dough game show in 1978 a good fit for CBS when that was on in the summer of that year w/Wink Martindale. Better things were to come though, because that did go to first-run syndie, and lasted 8 seasons (7 w/Martindale, the last [1985-86] w/Jim Caldwell).

  • @hawaiidkw1
    @hawaiidkw1 Год назад +1

    I remember this one. In hindsight, perhaps the thing I enjoyed most about it (other than it was visually stunning for a network TV show) was that the superhero didn't hold back against _anyone._ It didn't matter if he was a mugger, mob enforcer, rogue CIA agent, or computer hacker, he was going to eat 200 MPH haymakers and _freaking like it._ He cheerfully flaunted how much better he was than nearly everyone else, and I _loved it._
    I'm not sure how much further this could've gone, but if it weren't for that truly bone-brained decision to challenge The Cosby Show, a second season would've been almost a lock. (Production challenges would've stopped it there, however.)

  • @shnast-tv2
    @shnast-tv2 Год назад +14

    This show was the best version of The Flash I've ever seen. I actually liked it. It's the best suit as well.

  • @eviljoel
    @eviljoel Год назад +4

    History repeats itself

  • @bradleystreet5690
    @bradleystreet5690 Год назад +12

    I liked the show alot. Even re-watched it. Its always nice when the actor playing the flash is not a real life villian. Also props to the Animated Flash in JL (voiced by Michael Rosenbaum). When I found out that tv Lex was also animated Wally, I was flabergasted.

    • @sdelmonte
      @sdelmonte Год назад +4

      Bet you liked it as much as I did when Rosenbaum briefly played Luthor in the Flash's body.

    • @TJ52359
      @TJ52359 Год назад

      @@sdelmonte Great Brain Robbery IIRC
      "I have no Idea who this is."
      "Because I'm Evil"
      "That's not very restful."

    • @CantankerousDave
      @CantankerousDave Год назад +4

      @@sdelmonte”I have no idea who this is.” Ouch. (The episode where Batman accompanies him to Central City for the opening of a Flash museum is one of my favorites. It breaks Bats’ brain when they spot The Trickster in a bar and Flash just sits down next to him and talks him into getting back on his meds instead of beating him senseless. Rosenbaum was great in that role.)

    • @laustcawz2089
      @laustcawz2089 Год назад

      Rosenbaum was also in
      a short-lived sitcom called
      "Zoe, Duncan, Jack & Jane".

    • @TJ52359
      @TJ52359 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@CantankerousDave "
      James, That's not how the Medicine works."
      "Bi-Lateral symmetry!?"

  • @polrua
    @polrua Год назад +3

    I did a re-watch of this a year or so ago, and it's held up remarkably well. The cast is almost universally acting well above their weight.
    Probably the worst mistake the network made was to insist that The Flash be the ONLY costumed supercharacter on the show, leading to a series of forgettable opponents. Bilson & DeMeo 'snuck in' several supervillain-adjacent types like Carl Tanner and his Monster Serum (Episode 2) and Trachmann (Episode 5). When those episodes spiked ratings, the studio gave the tentative go-ahead for the episode with the Ghost (Episode 9), and when that did likewise, they were able to introduce The Trickster (Episode 12). The success of the Trickster opened the door to Captain Cold (17) and Mirror Master (19), but it was too little, too late.

  • @jasonmoreno3013
    @jasonmoreno3013 Год назад +3

    I remember being 6 and loving this show when it came out. But my bedtime was just after The Simpsons so I had to sneak around to watch it. Good times.

  • @stewartfennell8926
    @stewartfennell8926 Год назад +3

    The Flash was such a thrill to me because I missed out on Batman 89 in the cinema.....

  • @ArcaneEther
    @ArcaneEther Год назад +3

    Say what you will, John Wesley Shipp will always be the best version of The Flash. And that Danny Elfman intro theme!

  • @hawleygriffon9290
    @hawleygriffon9290 Год назад +1

    When the show shifted to Saturday nights, the Duluth Minnesota channel shifted it again and put it into a graveyard slot at 2am or later. It was always hard to try to catch the show as the slot wasn't permanent. It's original slot was used to air local college sports games or shows like Chimeleski Funtime which showcased polka music. Apparently, that got higher ratings as well as higher ad revenue! To this day I can't look at an accordion without thinking I'd love to smash it with a hammer for ruining my Saturday night viewing experience...

  • @scottcampbell9515
    @scottcampbell9515 Год назад +2

    I have a soft spot for this show, and Star Trek TNG. That era of television I really bonded with my mom as my early teenage years were rough.

  • @Marcus_F
    @Marcus_F Год назад +4

    As a kid I absolutely loved this show. I thought every thing about it was cool as hell. It really is too bad that CBS muffed the punt so hard on making it work, it absolutely could have.

  • @clonedavenger
    @clonedavenger Год назад +3

    I always enjoyed the pilot quite a bit. Definitely had a Burton-vibe to it. I need to check out the rest of the series. I always loved when he would pop up in the newer Flash series. JWS Playing Barry's dad was awesome, then playing Jay Garrick, to eventually suiting up as his Barry in Crisis. Very cool!

  • @thegoldfishpool
    @thegoldfishpool Год назад +2

    I was stoked for The Flash when it came out, and our high school concert band even did the Danny Elfman theme in concert!

  • @HH_Julius
    @HH_Julius Год назад +2

    I was so glad when JWS showed up on the CW Flash multiple times and reprised his role(s)!
    Also John mentioned in documentaries about the show how the suits were damp from sweat after the first time he wore them and never dried the whole time they were filming the show....😱😩😖

  • @jstuckey01
    @jstuckey01 Год назад +3

    loved the original series, I was the perfect age for it. Loved the new series even better when shipp became the jay garrick version of the flash as well. It had some really good nostalgia for both series.

  • @haqatak23
    @haqatak23 Год назад +10

    It may have failed but John Wesley Shipp will always be my Barry Allen The Flash. Remember watching it on TV on Five, when Five first launched. A classic of 90s TV.

  • @gamerbear84
    @gamerbear84 Год назад +1

    The series never aired here, but the two Trickster episode release on VHS did hit the stores and I LOVED it. lol

  • @tomstestkitchen
    @tomstestkitchen 11 месяцев назад +1

    I loved the Flash back in 1990, there wasn't anything else like it. I met Shipp at a comicon a few years ago, he is a really nice guy.

  • @blackphoenix77
    @blackphoenix77 Год назад +3

    I really liked this show; unfortunately, I missed most of the last episodes because it was constantly preempted by CBS' Gulf War coverage. P.S. Amanda Pays also returned to play Tina McGee on the CWs Flash

    • @solomonverrico
      @solomonverrico Год назад +1

      So did Vito D'Ambrosio and Alex Desert. And of course Mark Hamill.

  • @jwnj9716
    @jwnj9716 Год назад +6

    Underrated show.

  • @J-Russ
    @J-Russ Год назад +1

    I was a kid/teen when this was on TV and it was my favorite show at the time.

  • @Wintersoldier73
    @Wintersoldier73 Год назад +1

    That wad a magical time for me. Flash, Dark Shadows, MMPR was right around the corner, I discovered Dragon Ball & Sailor Moon. But Flash was my dream come true. I loved Barry Allen's Flash. Ad much as I loved Wally West, Barry was my Flash.

  • @peppermintspacecapsule9898
    @peppermintspacecapsule9898 Год назад +6

    John Wesley Shipp is MY Flash. I still have the three movies on VHS! I was gutted when they killed-off Flash-90 in the modern series... but I have a "head canon" solution. In the modern series, the Earth-3 Flash is a duplicate of Earth-90's Barry Allen (because they're both played by JWS), and it's established that he is using a name from his mother's side of the family; Garrick. Like Flash-90, he too fought Mark Hamill's Trickster. In my mind, he started out living the exact same life as Flash-90, even wearing a red mask to protect his loved ones. After his brother died, and eventually his mother too, he honoured them both by dropping the name "Barry Allen" and assuming their names instead; Jay and Garrick. When his other relatives moved away or grew old and died, he no longer needed the mask, and became the Earth-3 Flash we all know. It's the only way I can watch the Flash 1990 series without becoming mournful over Flash-90's death! Earth-3 Flash is basically the same guy, but he gets a happy ending. ⚡⚡⚡

  • @kratoscraken5614
    @kratoscraken5614 Год назад +3

    That was a great series it brought up so many memories thanks for doing this video 👍

  • @alanr4447a
    @alanr4447a Год назад +1

    Mark Hamill's portrayal of the Trickster foreshadowed his voice work as the Joker.

  • @theOneOnlyTed
    @theOneOnlyTed Год назад +2

    John Wesley Shipp wore the character very well, I've been a fan since the premier

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner Год назад +2

    Saturday Morning Cartoons need to be brought back!
    That was such a great experience and tradition!
    So many great shows, like A Pup Named Scooby Doo and The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh!

    • @MrSpiritstealer
      @MrSpiritstealer 12 дней назад +1

      Yes kids need to be to allowed to be kids on the weekends. I always looked forward to my favorite cartoons on Saturdays.

    • @btetschner
      @btetschner 12 дней назад

      @@MrSpiritstealer I always liked A Pup Named Scooby Doo and The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh.
      What were some of your favorites?

  • @warmachine9846
    @warmachine9846 Год назад +6

    I really like this show when I was a kid. I was sad to see it canceled. But I wasn't crazy about the mixing different incarnations of The Flash. Like Tina McGee was Wally West's would-be girlfriend and at the time did not know Barry Allen didn't like the fact that they completely ditched Iris and that she was some kind of 0:33 New Wave art major. But I really thought the outfit was impressive. The stories were pretty good. And I really wanted to see more of Mark Hamill as the trickster. And I was always hoping that it was going to lead to a new live-action Justice League

  • @dinomonzon7493
    @dinomonzon7493 Год назад +1

    I enjoyed watching John Wesley Shipp’s The Flash. I certainly remembered Mark Hamill as the Trickster, and there was a hero called Nightshade, who’s obviously inspired by the Shadow and Batman. Amanda Pays was beautiful as Dr. Tina McGee.

  • @wtk6069
    @wtk6069 Год назад +1

    I was in college at the time, and there was a gang of us in my dorm who gathered in the lobby to watch every episode religiously. I still suspect the show had deep support, but a lot of it was in places Nielsen ratings simply couldn't measure.

  • @CorbininJapan
    @CorbininJapan Год назад +3

    Oh my gods!! I adore you guys!!! Absolute legends!!!!! 🥰

  • @otisdriftwood
    @otisdriftwood Год назад +3

    You should do a video on Dick Tracey! I love that movie!

  • @NevTheDeranged
    @NevTheDeranged Год назад +2

    I was so hyped when John Wesley Shipp showed up on the new Flash. His version was great.

  • @billybarnett2846
    @billybarnett2846 Год назад +2

    I remember when it 1st came on. I recorded it so I could watch it later. At some point it was like they didn't know what to do with this show.

  • @wstine79
    @wstine79 Год назад +3

    Who else clicked on to this video in a flash?

  • @legendaryhamster2027
    @legendaryhamster2027 Год назад +3

    I really like this show, it's 100 times better then the recent movie

  • @1dbanner
    @1dbanner Год назад +1

    I was in the second grade when this debuted, and I still remember how excited I was. I recorded the premiere episode and rewatched it endlessly, and was really bummed when the plug was pulled after season 1

  • @entennstudio
    @entennstudio Год назад +1

    Absolutely love this show. I’m from Hungary and while the show never ran there in full length, the pilot and the Trickster episodes were released on VHS tape you could rent. This was an absolute revelation to a super hero fan in a world where apart from the Reeve Superman, and the Keaton Batman nothing else existed on the silver screen. A few years ago I managed to finally purchase the entire show and while I must say that to me the pilot is still the best, I love this series just as much as when I was a kid.

  • @i.am.not.herbert
    @i.am.not.herbert Год назад +3

    Flash movie sucks.
    You know what else sucks? Y'all just doing the video you want to do in the order you want to do them on your own time. Do the videos I want to see. Damn.
    Like Conan the adventurer.
    No one else would be cool? Real deep dive all the way back to that cartoon that comes on the Spanish Channel sometimes now but it was in English on Nickelodeon when I was a kid. The Seven Cities of Gold or some crap... the baby that Spartacus cartoon about the guy that had a crossbow on his arm and held some kids Explorer underground where the weird Weeble wobble civilization of people lives in their weird talking spaceship with a head

  • @Dynaman21
    @Dynaman21 Год назад +5

    The Flash - Causing expense failures for over 30 years.

  • @thebigs14
    @thebigs14 Год назад +1

    Batman was referenced in this show, one episode shows posters of the movie as the main character walks outside of a movie theater.

  • @robertfulenwider9024
    @robertfulenwider9024 Год назад +2

    This show changed my life. Please Do An Episode About Jolt Cola!!!!

  • @MikeOrtego
    @MikeOrtego Год назад +4

    First! Loved this show!

    • @MikeOrtego
      @MikeOrtego Год назад +4

      The Flash I mean! Secret Galaxy is cool too though 😉😜

  • @projectionreflection5475
    @projectionreflection5475 Год назад +1

    Me and My Dad watched this together. John Wesley Shipp is my favorite when it comes to the actors that have played The Flash

  • @noneofyourbusiness4616
    @noneofyourbusiness4616 Год назад +1

    John Francis Moore wasn't the first writer to work on "American Flagg" after Chaykin. Steven Grant and J.M DeMatteis each attempted to replace Chaykin as the writer before him. (Not because the publisher wanted Chaykin replaced, but because he was too busy with multiple projects.) Alan Moore also wrote fill-in stuff before John Francis Moore. Grant and DeMatteis were writers in Volume One of the comic, while John Francis Moore didn't come on until Volume Two.

  • @TimKapow
    @TimKapow 5 месяцев назад

    I worked with Mark Dacascos in 2022 on season 3 of Warrior, my profile picture is me holding a parrot on set of that exact show. Mark is such a lovely man, he recited a poem to me in between takes. Thanks for the awesome content!

  • @crush41gb
    @crush41gb Год назад +1

    That turtles commercial has to be one of Christian Slater's earliest roles lol!

  • @datharo5
    @datharo5 Год назад +1

    I loved this episode, I didn't even know it existed until I was sick at home one day and saw the reruns on the Sci-Fi channel.

  • @HambyPlaysGames
    @HambyPlaysGames Год назад +1

    The cameo by a young Christian Slater, you know star of Gleaming the Cube and KUFFS, in that TMNT commercial surprised me. lol

  • @jameshowlettii761
    @jameshowlettii761 Год назад

    This was my first exposure to the Flash character. Used to be on Sky One every Friday night (uk) when I was a little.
    I was crazy about it.
    I knew nothing of superhero shared universes at the time but a decade later, I remember seeing a book called *"JLA Secret Origins"* with the Flash, Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman all together which absolutely *blew* my mind.
    I've held DC characters, just a bit, closer to my heart than others ever since.

  • @rashido_grey
    @rashido_grey Год назад +1

    I love how much CW used John Shipp. Feels like a good full circle for him.

  • @johnnygoodman2003
    @johnnygoodman2003 Год назад +1

    I was in highschool. My french teacher had a huge crush on the actor who played the flash on tv.

  • @Jason_Bryant
    @Jason_Bryant Год назад +2

    It's really weird that they tried so hard to make the show dark. Literally dark. Tons of scenes filmed at night, promotional shots with black backgrounds, just anything to make it dark. They were trying so hard to make it look like Batman that they forgot that the Flash isn't supposed to look like Batman.

    • @DragoonMS
      @DragoonMS Год назад

      That's probably the biggest failing and why not as many folks were watching as CBS had hoped. They tried too hard to copy the style of Batman when they didn't particularly have to. Didn't stop it from being an awesome show, though!!

    • @solomonverrico
      @solomonverrico Год назад

      At the time, the Flash WAS pretty dark. Wally had adopted the sleeker, shinier costume with lenses and was dealing with darker problems. And Barry's stories got pretty dark. His wife is murdered (from his perspective) by a time traveling psychopath, just as everything settles down, psychopath reappears to kill his second wife, forcing Barry to break his neck and driving the second wife into a mental ward while he's on trial for it before the entire universe is destroyed by a cosmic horror monster and his pet shadow demons and he dies fighting it. That's how Barry's story ended until Geoff Johns brought him back, negating twenty years of growth because he wanted to make him Batman.

  • @OldManTheseDays
    @OldManTheseDays Год назад +2

    I was in HS when this came out. I remember it was a BIG deal, then just kind of fizzled out. By the end of the season, it was like, “oh yeah, there’s a Flash show”. I crushed pretty bad on Amanda Pays tho.

    • @orcsmash9
      @orcsmash9 Год назад

      Who didn’t have a crush on her? That accent man. ❤

  • @1000bip
    @1000bip Год назад +2

    I loved this show! I watched it every week. This is what made me a comic book fan and made the Flash my all time favorite superhero!

  • @modelcitizen1977
    @modelcitizen1977 Год назад +2

    I enjoyed this show when I was a kid. That costume was airbrushed muscle perfection.

  • @jeanemlicar
    @jeanemlicar Год назад +1

    John Wesley Shipp will always be the Original Flash to me. Hopefully I can meet him someday and thank him for his work. His portrayal was way better than the actor who portrayed the Flash on Superfriends. Too Bad CBS didn’t give the Flash a second season or a better time slot.

  • @MisterFloZeke
    @MisterFloZeke Год назад

    I love that you quoted Barry, when he describes to Tina which chemicals were on the shelves when the lightning struck. 🙂

  • @MGJDMNJ
    @MGJDMNJ Год назад

    My dad and I are flash fans and I remember watching this with him and my mom the day it aired. I still remember the first commercial was for pert plus. Loved it and still cherish the memories.

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot Год назад +1

    Oh yeah, this came out when I was in high school. I wasn't the biggest fan, but I do remember watching some episodes.

  • @dcbandit
    @dcbandit Год назад +1

    I wish there was a Flash cartoon, we literally only have him in Justice League cartoons and maybe as a guest character in Batman the Brave and the Bold. If there was a Flash cartoon, I'd watch it all the way through.

  • @BallyhooMotionPics
    @BallyhooMotionPics 11 месяцев назад

    I love that you used a freeze frame of the late Paul De Meo from my "Trancers" making-of documentary. What an honor! I am a HUGE fan of the Secret Galaxy channel.