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Can someone explain the 'José' joke to me? I get it's like a fun/silly thing they're doing in the hopes it catches on. However, is there a background story to how it started or how they got the idea? Just by itself it seems a little unfunny tbh, so I'm hoping there's something more to joke I've just missed.
I don't think any S.S. or Wehrmacht division used the gifu rune. Odala in contrast was used by a unit in Stalingrad and that unit is still part of the Bundeswehr on active duty.
@@morewi Both of those states are nuclear-armed powers - even if their conventional forces aren’t that great, a full-scale war with them risks becoming a nuclear engagement (a non-winnable scenario). And the U.S./NATO empire is folding - while it still has strong conventional forces, it has demonstrated an inability to put down insurgencies and is on the brink of an economic crisis! Having a strong conventional army only carries an empire so far…
"Let's not do this again" Extremely well put, important content on this channel for people who haven't read Glantz, Citino, Kotkin, Kershaw, Roberts, Beevor, Craig, Ryan and many more. We must learn from the disaster that was the early to mid 20th century as to not repeat such a catastrophic human disaster. I believe your channel does just that, keep up excellent work and Merry Christmas.
It's not so much learning about what happened that's important it's about recognising human behaviour doesn't change and realising that we aren't evolving in some special enlightened direction.
"We" can't do "this" again, in the sense that ever since nuclear weapons were invented, a multi-year total war between superpowers is no longer practical. If there is another major war between superpowers it will be over in a few days or even a few minutes (along with civilization, possibly). Also, WWII resulted from the rise of political systems that were explicitly militaristic and expansionist. That model for building an economy has been largely eclipsed by globalism and multinational corporations. In the 76 years since WWII ended, all subsequent wars have been smaller, despite the world population more than tripling.
Let's not do this again - If history teaches us anything, it's not that history repeats itself. It does that, but it never quite repeats in the same way. Just look at the giant foreign policy disasters that 'we must stop X or X will become the next Hitler' has wrought. By trying to stop X we all to often create a similar or even greater disaster called Y. It is said that any army prepares itself to fight the last one all over again, I reckon it applies to basically everything as well. Yes, we must spot the similarities that might clue us to something similar, but also spot the differences. Or else we are really doomed to do something monumentally stupid again.
@@danielmocsny5066 I feel like people are forgetting that nuclear powers cannot go to war with each other. That realization was very actual during the Cold War but it seems to have faded. How else can you explain people thinking we can go to war with Russia or China? As if nukes don't exist and whichever side will end up losing will resist the temptation to use them to redress the balance? On the flipside, the US has built a global hegemonic system that revolves around aggressive use of its military, which now exists as a global shakedown and protection racket service. If you're a non-nuclear nation you must either submit to the US or risk regime change, or as an ally you can apply for military protection in exchange for becoming a vassal. And while the US often gets named as the new Rome, it is classical Athens that is a far closer analogy. Rome used its army to conquer an empire. Athens used its army to create an alliance with itself as its head and offered to protect its allies in exchange for fealty and cash.
"lets not do this again" most important sentiment expressed at Christmas I have ever heard; I had a grandfather and all his brothers in ww1, a father and all his brothers AND sisters in ww2, and as a boy i could not imagine a world what would not have a major European war in my lifetime, now I hope deeply there is not one in my children's or their children's time. Only the dead know the end of war>
"Let's not do this again." This might have been one of the best lines - said and delivered by Indy in all of his time on RUclips. And I for one 100% agree with that statement.
Yes and no. The Eastern Front is the only theater with entirely land-based logistical chains, and closer to centers of production. In some cases Russian tanks drive out of the factory and straight into battle. Everywhere else in the war at this point, one or both sides must move supplies longer distances over land and oceans or seas, often fighting naval battles along the way. Thus the proportion of people tied up in logistics is higher. It's much easier for Russia to send men on railroads to the front. For the Americans and Japanese to send men to Guadalcanal and keep them supplied requires the efforts of many more people and more equipment. Imagine if the USSR were fighting in South America - it wouldn't be able to have millions of men deployed at the tip of the spear. A large fraction of them would have to serve in the industries and navy and air forces necessary to fight across an ocean to move land forces so far from home. It would take years of effort just to be able to move a large army that far - the effort that the USA is making at this point in the war, building up the largest naval and air forces and sealift capacity the world had ever seen. It costs relatively little to train and equip an infantry soldier. The Russians don't have to build aircraft carriers. They don't have to build airbases on islands thousand of km from home. They don't even have to build the cargo ships that the UK and USA are using to supply the USSR. Also, while the majority of German divisions are on the Eastern Front, the relatively small number diverted to other fronts is already making a difference. The troops, tanks, and aircraft diverted to Tunisia were sorely missed by Manstein when he failed to fight his way into Stalingrad to relieve the 6th Army. Look at how close Manstein came to breaking through. With a few more divisions and 500 more aircraft he might have made it, but they're in or heading to Tunisia, only to be expended in combat or captured in a few months when the Allies win there.
@@danielmocsny5066 you are a Pole, are'n you? Even if they have this little amount of divisions, still not gonna change anything, Hoth panzers stopped, and Italians and flank group is retreating. that's an endgame, obviously.
@@lt_black - Yes, the Germans are going to lose the war no matter what. But with a few more divisions they might have delayed the inevitable. The Germans had to rely on weaker allies to guard their flanks because they have their own divisions deployed elsewhere. And sending 500+ aircraft to Tunisia weakens the Germans' greatest force multiplier against the Red Army. The Russians are advancing in part because they are having less trouble from the Luftwaffe compared to just a few months earlier. However, the time to break out of Stalingrad was probably right when the encirclement happened. The longer they wait the more the Red Army digs in around them. Hitler probably wouldn't have let the 6th Army break out when it still had the chance.
The scale of the air war by and against the western Allies is already as great as on the eastern front and will only get larger over the next 2 1/2 years. The first thousand-bomber raid in history was launched by the RAF against Cologne in May, 1942, dropping 50% more bombs on the city in one night - nearly 1500 tons of bombs - than the Luftwaffe dropped in its initial attack on Stalingrad. And at this point in the war the US bomber offensive is just getting ready to begin with 300 heavy bombers - each equivalent to two or three of the medium bombers used by the Germans in terms of armament and bomb load - preparing to smash straight into the teeth of the Luftwaffe with the express purpose of breaking German control of the air over Europe. While the effect of the bombing itself proved disappointing, the effect of this combined bomber offensive on German fighter strength on every front including the east will be dramatic, and eventually catastrophic. And as Daniel points out, the scale of American effort in the Pacific is also massive; by 1943 the amount of war production devoted to the Pacific war alone by the Americans will be greater than the entire industrial output of Germany for all fronts combined - dozens of aircraft carriers and cruisers, hundreds of destroyers, and thousands of merchant ships and warplanes are already being built and will be sent to the Pacific, in addition to thousands of landing craft, tanks, and other vehicles and millions of fighting men. Of course, fighting a war thousands of miles from home for both sides means the number of people engaged on the ground at the front is much smaller, particularly at this early stage, but make no mistake: the efforts of millions of men and women are necessary to keep a few tens of thousands of troops fighting on Guadalcanal and New Guinea. And there are also millions of Japanese and Chines troops fighting the massive war in China that tends to get little attention from western or Soviet historians, not to mention the millions of civilians killed in that war, casualties on a scale rivaling that of the war in the Soviet Union.
@@danielmocsny5066 According to your logic, if the Americans and the Japanese fought somewhere in Antarctica and sent there each platoon of soldiers, it would be more important than the battles of millions of people in Eastern Europe. The fate of the world was decided in the steppes of Stalingrad, where the ridge of Nazism was broken and from where the Soviet rampart rolled westward, making the USSR a superpower, and not somewhere in the jungle on the godforsaken islands. In 1942, the United States possessed a very modest army and even in Tunisia stomped in front of the very limited forces of the Nazis.
It's amazing how long some French clung to the idea that restored monarchy could solve all their problems. Darlan was assassinated 70 years after France last had a monarch (Emperor Napoleon III) and 94 years since the fall of the Orlean dynasty during the 1848 Revolutions.
People always are susceptible to looking back and thinking "those times were better" and that whatever changed between then and now is why things got "worse". Also don't discount the influence of church conservative sectors, who even for longer than that had been decrying how the Republic was some sort of evil Freemason plot. Bad blood between the church establishment and French republicans went all the way back to the first revolution.
Exactly. Conservative Catholics and traditionalists see the monarchy as a god-ordained government, a government where the Divine is present and part of the societal structure, while republican and democratic governments are more mundane and doesn't have 'god' embeded in its structures. You won't find a monarchy revivalist who isn't either a pedantic nostalgic of the Baroque or a staunch Catholic who wants a government resembling his understanding of a Theocracy.
A sidenote this week on December 24 1942 is that former South African heavyweight boxing champion *Robey Leibbrandt* is captured while driving between Johannesburg and Pretoria by the South African authorities. He had previously spent the past three years in Germany and volunteered with the Wehrmacht, subsequently becoming the first South African to be trained as a _Fallschirmjäger_ . After further training to become a Abwehr agent, he would secretly return home in June 1941 to organise and wage a small scale guerrilla warfare campaign in South Africa until his capture. He would be sentenced to death for high treason, but this was later commuted to life imprisonment by Prime Minister Jan Smuts.
@@samlosco8441 Why would the Dutch and Anglo ancestral population be for Germany, when they fought Germany in the WW1? The groups were not that supportive of Germany. "Germanic" means nothing, when they would probably identify themselves more like the English and the Dutch. There might be some sympathy, hey the 20th century was full of extremists, but not on the scale you think it was.
@@samlosco8441 It practically did anyway. The Afrikaner population generally felt sympathy for Germany because of the aid that Germany had given them against the British in the South African war. But this sympathy was rarely felt strongly enough for people to go against Smuts - himself a great Boer general in that war - and his support for Britain. But after the war, the toxic side of Afrikaner nationalism rose to the fore. And the likes of DF Malan were firmly pro-Hitler, pro-fascism. Though they didn't establish a system that fits the precise definition of fascism, the Apartheid system was heavily influenced by Nazi ideology and many of its founders were big fans of Hitler. It should, of course, be noted, that there were always Afrikaners who were sickened by this version of Afrikaner nationalism - one of the prominent early examples being Battle of Britain fighter ace, Adolf "Sailor" Malan.
@@LetsTakeWalk we white South Africans are something like 9/10 are of Dutch/German/French decent and 1/10 are of British decent. And by 1899 we identified ourselfs as Boers and English and that divided survived the second Boer war and the Britsh camps that caused a rebellion against the Britsh and their dogs on a leash in charge of South Africa (it's known as the maritz rebellion it happend right at the start of ww1 it's why South Africa didn't join the war as fast as Australia and New Zealand and Canada, they had to make sure it was only the graduating cadets of the military school who joined the rebellion and not the larger army) and Smuts although of Dutch/German decent and a hero of the Second Boer War bend the knee to the Britsh and would go on to utterly destroy a white communist uprising (During his first time as pm in the 1920's) and even bombed them in the suburbs of Johannesburg where a lot of rich White's called for him to be removed for not having a civilized chat with fellow whites and for acting like the British in 1899 who sent in their army the second trouble started. Boer youths who grew up during this time hated the English and wanted the British to f off and actively hampered Smuts efforts to raise more troops to fight at El Alamein he wanted to have allow mass blacks to enlist and the Boers in parliament laughed and said sure but only with their traditional spear and sheilds. After the Smuts was made a British field marshal he lost all white support back home from the majority of whites who supported him for being a hero off the second Boer war and after his death in 1948, the Boers took over and made Malan prime minister who got Dr Hendrik Vervoerd to solve South Africa's race issues that Smuts and Botha and Hertzogg had pushed away to deal with later Vervoerd would create what is today known as Apartheid. In the 1960's whe left the British empire and the commonwealth and didn't even bother to look back with history classes being about how bad the British treated us and forced to fight our German cousins who helped us in the second Boer war not once but twice and how the British killed our women and children in camps and burned down our farms. We never liked the Nazi's since the Kaiser's Germany empire helped us in our time of need we still have German words from the Kaiser's time in Afrikaans and when South Africa had its own Nazi movement with the AWB (Afrikaner Weerstand Beweging - Afrikaner Resistance Movement) in the late 50's early 60's they where mocked everywhere and called child killers like the British and Boers were told by our politicians of the day to attack them and hurt them for their dumb ideas. Apartheid forced our 2 white groups Boer and English who never liked eachother since the Boer wars into 1 white group (Afrikaner, blacks are called African, Afrikaner even to this day is the collective term for white South Africans) Basically to sum it up we saw ourselves as our own people, as Boers with came from the Great Trek and the 2 Boer wars and didn't see ourselves as Germanic, sure their where preferences for example English sought other English to marry (this includes other Britsh isles people's like the Scots and Irish and Welsh and English) while Boers sought other Boers (most where of Dutch, German, French decent but had other European's in their as well like Pole, Russian, Norwegian, Swedish, Spanish, Italian - basically those leftover mercenaries who came to fight the British who had settled down and made families) the Apartheid era government wanted to find common ground with Europe (the white continent) and labelled stuff as European or as Afrikaner in more rural areas since Europeans and other tourists wouldn't go into the country side but even today we see ourselves as white people of Africa and as Boers or Afrikaner people not really as European that's a long dead thing to before the Great Trek so basically pre 1860's
The AWB (South African Nazi's) still exists today but are less then 500 people and are similar to how there's Americans calling themselves"confederates" or neo-nazi and our mostly old people, think people pushing late 60's to 90's
The Tatsinskaya Raid was probably the most important of those raids on the airfields trying to supply the 6th Army in Stalingrad. One of the first successes of Soviet "Deep Penetration" tactics, the Tatsinskaya Airfield was overrun on Christmas Eve, 24 December 1942. "The airfield may not have received a warning, since flight operations were still going on." Something like 72 transport planes were destroyed on the ground. To save ammunition, that was done by having the T-34s crushing or ramming them. Yes, the 24th Tank Corps, operating 240 km from its supply lines, had heavy losses and was lucky to get back to Soviet lines without being destroyed, but in a few hours they wrecked German airborne supply of the 6th Army.
I doubt Gifu is named after the prefecture but rather Gifu castle (after which the prefecture is named) which is one of the most historically significant castles during the Sengoku period.
Gifu in this instance means the Gifu Castle. The province was named after the castle. Gifu was built by Oda Nobunaga, and was the most advanced of it's its time, starting an arms race in fortifications in japan. It was also the objective for the Northern Army during the Battle of Sekigahara, the last battle of the Warring States Period.
6:10 It's very funny seeing the Allied troops reaction to winter in Tunisia, I live around that area in Annaba and that's pretty much how winter goes, it's a very rainy area of North Africa, the whole area from Bizerte to Algiers is probably the rainiest part of the whole region
As someone from the Netherlands, Northern Africa (where I've never been) always seemed to me like the Sahara-light 😅🤣 I mean, I know it's not the Sahara itself, so it must get some rain... But still I would never have guessed that winter means rain for you guys. Best wishes to you and your loved ones, in the pandemicy times :)
I'm a vivid watcher since the time of the "Great War channel". Thank you for the great work the whole team is doing on this war-topic. No where else one can cover such a detailed historic storytelling. Happy holidays to everyone.
Well, for one, you have to remember it was the first year of that particular war. There would be no similar truces afterward as more bodies piled up and hatreds deepened. Then came the post-war era, years of bloody revolution and radical propaganda that drove nations even further apart. By the time WWII rolled around, the notion of chivalry amongst enemies was a dead letter in most instances (if indeed it ever existed).
Brilliant episode, Indy. Cheers and peace to the whole crew at Time Ghost. Thank you for this invaluable historical reckoning with the futility and stupidity of war. Never forget.
I always liked how the Japanese attempted to conceal the building of the airfield at Munda. The airfield was built in a coconut plantation, and the Japanese engineers tied the tops of the trees together with cables before cutting the trunks at the top and bottom. This, they hoped, would conceal the construction work underneath the canopy. Unfortunately, they didn't take into account that stereoscopic aerial photography would uncover the ruse, and the Americans started bombing the airfield about a week before it was completed and the camouflage came down.
The Time Ghost team always manages to bring the perfect balance of wit, humour, pathos, solemnity and at times indignation to their work. Outstanding writing/performance/production at every turn. Really admire and appreciate your work. Thank you and hope that everyone has a happy holidays!
I have a question about operation Mars and Uranus. I once read, that Soviet doctrine said to attack in at least two places, and than support the more succesful attack, to facilitate an breakthrough, while the other attack(s) would be downgraded to a diversion. Wouldn't that mean that both operations, did exactly what the doctrine laid out? The Red Army started two big attacks, both aimed at a breakthrough, when Uranus broke through, and Mars didn't, Mars was downgraded to an diversion. Not because Mars was a failure, but because the doctrine demanded to exploit the bigger breakthrough.
I think they felt no threat in front of Moscow, but had to deal with Stalingrad. So the main target should be Stalingrad. Both have enormous amount of troops near Moscow, it's better to keep pushing Germans because can you find a better chance to face them? They took huge casualties that's true but things could be more worse if they meet Germans in different scenarios.
Mars started after Uranus, they werent simultaneous, also were this doctrine followed, you would have expected to see Mars being weakened to support Uranus and for the ambitiousness of Mars to have been toned down. i.e. to pin the Germans rather than sustain massive casualties trying to break through. I think possibly it was initially a diversion but it got carried away with the idea of "what if we can break through" to the point that what actually took place had none of the qualities of a diversion even if that was the original intent.
" remember comrades. We are Russia. We are like tank. If they take out tracks, we are artillery. If they take out Cannon, we are Machine Gun Nest. If they take out machine gun, we are pillbox. If they take out armor, we are HEROES"! A Russian dude I used to shoot guns with:😁
Thank you very much for your warm Holiday wishes but more so thank you for the haunting plea, and heart wrenching words that are so true..." Let's not do this again". With so many historians and videos glorifying the history of warfare, It's sometimes easy to forget the utter horror of war. It's heartening to know that there are people like yourselves in your excellent series on World War Two, that remind us that war is man's folly. May it never happen again!! Thank you once again, your words mean a lot!!
4:26 This somewhat kinds of reminds me of what the Americans would encounter again decades later in the Vietnam War, with the Viet Cong (VC) employing similar camouflaged fortifications and tunnels and engaging the Americans at short ranges in the jungle vegetation.
A lot of Japanese soldiers defected to the Viet Cong after the war ended; from what I understand, their hatred for the West's victory overrode their disdain for communism.
A guy in a studio talking. A few very good graphic maps and some stock photos. Some excellent research and you have the best WWII video history on the internet. Nice work by Indy and Time Ghost. Merry Christmas.
Thank you for all the hard work and content produced this year in 2021 (1942) and here’s wishing the team and everyone happy holidays and a good year ahead in 2022 (1943)!
I really appreciate how this channel never goes for the sensationalised version of war where it is presented as if it is somehow cool or fun. It's not. It's fascinating, but it's fascinating because it staggers the mind what people can do to each other. And this channel reminds me of that. Let's never do this again.
It's worth noting that though AFHQ was shocked by Darlan's assassination, in a perverse way they found it somewhat helpful - Giraud was 'kicked upstairs' to take Darlan's place, and so was removed from command of French forces, being replaced by the far more genial Alphonse Juin, which greatly helped frontline coordination between Allied forces.
Thanks for sparing some time to mention the Burma Campaign. My father was there at that time, a radio operator. He went as a fit and healthy 23 year old and returned back to Europe a 6 stone wraith like figure, (our mother’s words)Rarely did anyone know what was happening. The Forgotten 14th
Let me make sure I understand. General Eisenhower, upon finding an attack untenable because rains had turned the battlefield into an impenetrable mire, called off the attack, thus failing to take advantage of a perfectly good opportunity to kill tens or hundreds of thousands of his own men for no gain?? What kind of general does that? What would Douglas Haig have done in similar circumstances? What would Ian Hamilton have done? What about Robert Nivelle? Douglas Haig must have been rolling in his grave when Eisenhower acted in such an ungeneral way.
Don't worry Eisenhower will make good on that in Korea and Vietnam, even considering to start a nuclear war. He is a real General after all... I think in Africa, he just could not get the machine going at all.
Well said at the end. While this subject is very interesting, it's always important to keep it into perspective just how many people suffered and died that didn't need to. War isn't a game.
Hey WW2-Team. Im a long time subscriber from the first weeks of World War *ONE* and follow you since then. I may have found a subect you didnt cover until now: Can you make a special a episode about soldiers slang? Like funny or interesting words and phrases often used by frontline troops + What we may even say today. Generally an insight about what war-customes still have influence today would be an interesting view on the war. Love your work. I wish you all a great start into the new year. Cheers from Germany!
I like the candy cane tie..but then again, I like All your ties. Merry Christmas, thanks to you and your army for everything..it really is appreciated.
Even if Paulus could have broke out his men were to weak from starvation and exposer to do so.Thats one of the unknown reasons he obeyed Hitlers orders not to break out.They didnt have the health to reach Manstien 40 klm outside of Stalingrad
Maybe,.. just maybe,.. This channel may convince enough people of waging war being a very bad idea to make the difference. Your effort is much appreciated.
My father was in USN, WWII. In the early 1990s, he took a trip to Europe, the first time he had been on the Continent since 1944. He was in Hamburg and went to the City Museum where they were having an exhibition on Hamburg during WWII. There was a lot of material about the unions (put down by Hitler), life on the homefront, and the rest, but at the end, there was a series of tables. On each table were four photo albums. Each photo album had about 10 pages, four photos per page. These were men from Hamburg alone who there was no official record of what happened to them on the Eastern Front. Above the tables, "Do You Have Any Information About These Men?" My dad stood there stunned. He first thought was "Oh my god, all these men lost, all these families left not knowing." His second thought was, "You stupid b*****ds, you brought this on yourselves!" He left in tears.
I would just like to say Merry Christmas to the crew and my fellow TimeGhost Army members on RUclips. And on all platforms. Very, very Merry Christmas to on and all. Thank you for still posting today this was a great gift from everyone!
I want to say merry christmas and thank you to Indy and the rest of world war II crew for bringing such valuable video to us all, and have a happy holiday to all!
Gosh ,, watching this makes me feel so thankful I'm blessed to be safe at home , These poor souls that had to endure hell on earth. Instead of Christmas cheer , Merry Christmas to all , Always be thankful ♥️
Mr Neidell, thank you for that message and the heartfelt emotion behind it. Yes, never let us do that again. Humanity to find some unity. Merry Xmas and thank you for your channel.
That final line after the summary of the last week of the war really moved me. Let's never do it (or let it happen) again. Merry Christmas to all the he Time Ghost Staff and the online community.
A Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all of you and of all of the viewers of this series. Yes, "Let's not do this again." That's a sentiment all of humanity should feel. Here's to a peaceful and prosperous new year. Take Care and stay safe everyone!
What Eisenhower said about the offensive in Tunisia is correct, and is one of the reasons why Fredendall will get relieved of command, and Anderson almost gets sacked as well.
Now that is a dependable waistcoat; I feel you could take that through all of life's vicissitudes without it ever letting you down. A very pleasant Christmas & New Year to you all. All at Timeghost can be proud of helping to ensure, through your work, that we do not do this again.
This is a good ocasion to watch the movie "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" (1983) by Nagisa Ōshima. The movie centers around a group of British POVs in Java and their relationship with their Japanese captors. It manages to be both a wholesome Christmas movie and a harsh depiction of the Japanese mistreatment of Prisioners of war. It has an unlikely cast consisting among others of David Bowie (the musician), Takeshi Kitano (the guy from Takeshi's castle) and Ryuichi Sakamoto (the composer, who also wrote the music for the film). Period covered: December 1942; Christmas 1946 Historical accuracy: 3/5 - Based on Laurens van der Post's experiences as POV during WW2. IMDB grade: 7.3/10
I think one thing that has suprised me about all of this is the length of the "battle of stalingrad" The deadliest battle in history doesnt really feel like its lasted all that long.
Hello, TimeGhostArmy! I was wondering if you could do a biography special on Captain Tameichi Hara. I read his memoirs in his book called "Japanese Destroyer Captain", it's a very interesting book and I think you're listeners would enjoy it very much. Keep up the good work. I'm always interested.
Awesome episode as always! If it was possible, it would be helpful to show us divisions strength (men capable of fighthing) on maps. We see this little boxes but I guess these divisions dont have always all men ready to combat. I know that it is sometimes mentioned. Anyway, your maps' animations are superb, especially eastern front! Good job, keep going.
On the western front of WW1, Christmas truce made sense because for both sides,war was simply soldier's action at that time, while Eastern front of WW2 was full on brutality fest,with massive warcrimes commited,so friendly football match was out of consideration.
I don't think you can base the decision of what was the main attack what may have been diversionary on numbers alone. It makes sense to use your major force to keep the enemies attention in one area while using a minor force to conquer in another area. I'm not saying Mars was or wasn't diversionary, but it could have been, although one-third of a million casualties is a high priced diversion. You have to wonder if the same casualties would have been casualties if they were just sent to the Little Saturn Front with no Mars Front taking place. Great episode, Indy. I appreciate the week by week reports on the war. It gives much more significance to individual battles and actions that get over shadowed in other styles of reporting WWII. For example, Guadalcanal was an important battle, and every documentary about the Pacific War will say it is important, but will quickly push aside Guadalcanal to get to Iwo and Okinawa and other battles of the Pacific. I often think this is a little like it was must have been for the home front, only much more terrifying for them.
Happy Christmas to all of you who celebrate! Much of the TimeGhost Team is gathering with their friends, family, and neighbour's today. As many of you do the same, remember that your with us this Christmas in all our hearts, and that we're all so thankful to have such a passionate and committed community supporting our work. We hope you left out some cookies and brandy for Churchill when he came down the chimney.
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The plan to resupply Josè Paulus was a cunning plan but it had a fatal flaw: Göring ate all the supplies before they could be loaded on the planes.
Can someone explain the 'José' joke to me?
I get it's like a fun/silly thing they're doing in the hopes it catches on.
However, is there a background story to how it started or how they got the idea?
Just by itself it seems a little unfunny tbh, so I'm hoping there's something more to joke I've just missed.
I don't think any S.S. or Wehrmacht division used the gifu rune.
Odala in contrast was used by a unit in Stalingrad and that unit is still part of the Bundeswehr on active duty.
someone at HYPO was busy on That Day
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I got chills from Indy saying “Let’s not do this again”.
Ukraine...
@@LaVictoireEstLaVie lolwhat
Russia and China forgot what its like....
@@AQW0RIDS he thinks china and Russia (lol) are more than paper tigers. And that the US is collapsing
@@morewi Both of those states are nuclear-armed powers - even if their conventional forces aren’t that great, a full-scale war with them risks becoming a nuclear engagement (a non-winnable scenario).
And the U.S./NATO empire is folding - while it still has strong conventional forces, it has demonstrated an inability to put down insurgencies and is on the brink of an economic crisis! Having a strong conventional army only carries an empire so far…
Oof, that ending hit hard. But yeah, let's never do that again. Merry Christmas, Timeghost Army & Timeghost Crew!
Yep,but history always shows otherwise ! 😉
Merry Christmas to our favourite secret agent! (Inside joke for those wondering)
It really made a video about a global war and thousands of people dying seem like a real bummer.
Well said . !
What a amazing outro indeed
"Let's not do this again" Extremely well put, important content on this channel for people who haven't read Glantz, Citino, Kotkin, Kershaw, Roberts, Beevor, Craig, Ryan and many more. We must learn from the disaster that was the early to mid 20th century as to not repeat such a catastrophic human disaster. I believe your channel does just that, keep up excellent work and Merry Christmas.
It's not so much learning about what happened that's important it's about recognising human behaviour doesn't change and realising that we aren't evolving in some special enlightened direction.
"We" can't do "this" again, in the sense that ever since nuclear weapons were invented, a multi-year total war between superpowers is no longer practical. If there is another major war between superpowers it will be over in a few days or even a few minutes (along with civilization, possibly). Also, WWII resulted from the rise of political systems that were explicitly militaristic and expansionist. That model for building an economy has been largely eclipsed by globalism and multinational corporations. In the 76 years since WWII ended, all subsequent wars have been smaller, despite the world population more than tripling.
Let's not do this again - If history teaches us anything, it's not that history repeats itself. It does that, but it never quite repeats in the same way. Just look at the giant foreign policy disasters that 'we must stop X or X will become the next Hitler' has wrought. By trying to stop X we all to often create a similar or even greater disaster called Y. It is said that any army prepares itself to fight the last one all over again, I reckon it applies to basically everything as well. Yes, we must spot the similarities that might clue us to something similar, but also spot the differences. Or else we are really doomed to do something monumentally stupid again.
@@danielmocsny5066 I feel like people are forgetting that nuclear powers cannot go to war with each other. That realization was very actual during the Cold War but it seems to have faded. How else can you explain people thinking we can go to war with Russia or China? As if nukes don't exist and whichever side will end up losing will resist the temptation to use them to redress the balance?
On the flipside, the US has built a global hegemonic system that revolves around aggressive use of its military, which now exists as a global shakedown and protection racket service. If you're a non-nuclear nation you must either submit to the US or risk regime change, or as an ally you can apply for military protection in exchange for becoming a vassal. And while the US often gets named as the new Rome, it is classical Athens that is a far closer analogy. Rome used its army to conquer an empire. Athens used its army to create an alliance with itself as its head and offered to protect its allies in exchange for fealty and cash.
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 How much is Putin paying you to spew that bullshit?
Happy Holidays, Indie and the whole crew. And I really love your last words tonight: "Let's not do this again".
Happy Holidays to you as well!!
"lets not do this again" most important sentiment expressed at Christmas I have ever heard; I had a grandfather and all his brothers in ww1, a father and all his brothers AND sisters in ww2, and as a boy i could not imagine a world what would not have a major European war in my lifetime, now I hope deeply there is not one in my children's or their children's time. Only the dead know the end of war>
Let's be real. Those 25,000 horses in Stalingrad have already been eaten. They exist only on paper.
Paper plates?
They are the glue holding the 6th Army together.
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"Let's not do this again."
This might have been one of the best lines - said and delivered by Indy in all of his time on RUclips. And I for one 100% agree with that statement.
I'm afraid he may be referring to Putin's actions around Ukraine, very reminiscent of Hitler and Poland 1939.
The scale of what happens on the Eastern front is so much greater than everything else
Yes and no. The Eastern Front is the only theater with entirely land-based logistical chains, and closer to centers of production. In some cases Russian tanks drive out of the factory and straight into battle. Everywhere else in the war at this point, one or both sides must move supplies longer distances over land and oceans or seas, often fighting naval battles along the way. Thus the proportion of people tied up in logistics is higher. It's much easier for Russia to send men on railroads to the front. For the Americans and Japanese to send men to Guadalcanal and keep them supplied requires the efforts of many more people and more equipment. Imagine if the USSR were fighting in South America - it wouldn't be able to have millions of men deployed at the tip of the spear. A large fraction of them would have to serve in the industries and navy and air forces necessary to fight across an ocean to move land forces so far from home. It would take years of effort just to be able to move a large army that far - the effort that the USA is making at this point in the war, building up the largest naval and air forces and sealift capacity the world had ever seen.
It costs relatively little to train and equip an infantry soldier. The Russians don't have to build aircraft carriers. They don't have to build airbases on islands thousand of km from home. They don't even have to build the cargo ships that the UK and USA are using to supply the USSR.
Also, while the majority of German divisions are on the Eastern Front, the relatively small number diverted to other fronts is already making a difference. The troops, tanks, and aircraft diverted to Tunisia were sorely missed by Manstein when he failed to fight his way into Stalingrad to relieve the 6th Army. Look at how close Manstein came to breaking through. With a few more divisions and 500 more aircraft he might have made it, but they're in or heading to Tunisia, only to be expended in combat or captured in a few months when the Allies win there.
@@danielmocsny5066 you are a Pole, are'n you? Even if they have this little amount of divisions, still not gonna change anything, Hoth panzers stopped, and Italians and flank group is retreating. that's an endgame, obviously.
@@lt_black - Yes, the Germans are going to lose the war no matter what. But with a few more divisions they might have delayed the inevitable. The Germans had to rely on weaker allies to guard their flanks because they have their own divisions deployed elsewhere. And sending 500+ aircraft to Tunisia weakens the Germans' greatest force multiplier against the Red Army. The Russians are advancing in part because they are having less trouble from the Luftwaffe compared to just a few months earlier. However, the time to break out of Stalingrad was probably right when the encirclement happened. The longer they wait the more the Red Army digs in around them. Hitler probably wouldn't have let the 6th Army break out when it still had the chance.
The scale of the air war by and against the western Allies is already as great as on the eastern front and will only get larger over the next 2 1/2 years. The first thousand-bomber raid in history was launched by the RAF against Cologne in May, 1942, dropping 50% more bombs on the city in one night - nearly 1500 tons of bombs - than the Luftwaffe dropped in its initial attack on Stalingrad. And at this point in the war the US bomber offensive is just getting ready to begin with 300 heavy bombers - each equivalent to two or three of the medium bombers used by the Germans in terms of armament and bomb load - preparing to smash straight into the teeth of the Luftwaffe with the express purpose of breaking German control of the air over Europe. While the effect of the bombing itself proved disappointing, the effect of this combined bomber offensive on German fighter strength on every front including the east will be dramatic, and eventually catastrophic.
And as Daniel points out, the scale of American effort in the Pacific is also massive; by 1943 the amount of war production devoted to the Pacific war alone by the Americans will be greater than the entire industrial output of Germany for all fronts combined - dozens of aircraft carriers and cruisers, hundreds of destroyers, and thousands of merchant ships and warplanes are already being built and will be sent to the Pacific, in addition to thousands of landing craft, tanks, and other vehicles and millions of fighting men. Of course, fighting a war thousands of miles from home for both sides means the number of people engaged on the ground at the front is much smaller, particularly at this early stage, but make no mistake: the efforts of millions of men and women are necessary to keep a few tens of thousands of troops fighting on Guadalcanal and New Guinea.
And there are also millions of Japanese and Chines troops fighting the massive war in China that tends to get little attention from western or Soviet historians, not to mention the millions of civilians killed in that war, casualties on a scale rivaling that of the war in the Soviet Union.
@@danielmocsny5066 According to your logic, if the Americans and the Japanese fought somewhere in Antarctica and sent there each platoon of soldiers, it would be more important than the battles of millions of people in Eastern Europe. The fate of the world was decided in the steppes of Stalingrad, where the ridge of Nazism was broken and from where the Soviet rampart rolled westward, making the USSR a superpower, and not somewhere in the jungle on the godforsaken islands. In 1942, the United States possessed a very modest army and even in Tunisia stomped in front of the very limited forces of the Nazis.
" The Russian radio has announced the defeat of Manstein. Ahead of us is either captivity or death."- Wilhelm Hoffman, December 25, 1942.
For 6 th Army : "Weinachten im Kessel "
It's amazing how long some French clung to the idea that restored monarchy could solve all their problems. Darlan was assassinated 70 years after France last had a monarch (Emperor Napoleon III) and 94 years since the fall of the Orlean dynasty during the 1848 Revolutions.
People always are susceptible to looking back and thinking "those times were better" and that whatever changed between then and now is why things got "worse".
Also don't discount the influence of church conservative sectors, who even for longer than that had been decrying how the Republic was some sort of evil Freemason plot. Bad blood between the church establishment and French republicans went all the way back to the first revolution.
@@chedelirio6984 "Make France Great Again" .....................
Exactly. Conservative Catholics and traditionalists see the monarchy as a god-ordained government, a government where the Divine is present and part of the societal structure, while republican and democratic governments are more mundane and doesn't have 'god' embeded in its structures. You won't find a monarchy revivalist who isn't either a pedantic nostalgic of the Baroque or a staunch Catholic who wants a government resembling his understanding of a Theocracy.
My money's on the old grump Giraud behind the assassination. He couldn't stand Darlan.
@@Darwinek That's harsh - I mean, I've got people i can't stand - but assassinate them? I wouldn't go that far!
A sidenote this week on December 24 1942 is that former South African heavyweight boxing champion *Robey Leibbrandt* is captured while driving between Johannesburg and Pretoria by the South African authorities. He had previously spent the past three years in Germany and volunteered with the Wehrmacht, subsequently becoming the first South African to be trained as a _Fallschirmjäger_ . After further training to become a Abwehr agent, he would secretly return home in June 1941 to organise and wage a small scale guerrilla warfare campaign in South Africa until his capture. He would be sentenced to death for high treason, but this was later commuted to life imprisonment by Prime Minister Jan Smuts.
Thanks for sharing.
@@samlosco8441 Why would the Dutch and Anglo ancestral population be for Germany, when they fought Germany in the WW1? The groups were not that supportive of Germany. "Germanic" means nothing, when they would probably identify themselves more like the English and the Dutch. There might be some sympathy, hey the 20th century was full of extremists, but not on the scale you think it was.
@@samlosco8441 It practically did anyway. The Afrikaner population generally felt sympathy for Germany because of the aid that Germany had given them against the British in the South African war. But this sympathy was rarely felt strongly enough for people to go against Smuts - himself a great Boer general in that war - and his support for Britain.
But after the war, the toxic side of Afrikaner nationalism rose to the fore. And the likes of DF Malan were firmly pro-Hitler, pro-fascism. Though they didn't establish a system that fits the precise definition of fascism, the Apartheid system was heavily influenced by Nazi ideology and many of its founders were big fans of Hitler.
It should, of course, be noted, that there were always Afrikaners who were sickened by this version of Afrikaner nationalism - one of the prominent early examples being Battle of Britain fighter ace, Adolf "Sailor" Malan.
@@LetsTakeWalk we white South Africans are something like 9/10 are of Dutch/German/French decent and 1/10 are of British decent. And by 1899 we identified ourselfs as Boers and English and that divided survived the second Boer war and the Britsh camps that caused a rebellion against the Britsh and their dogs on a leash in charge of South Africa (it's known as the maritz rebellion it happend right at the start of ww1 it's why South Africa didn't join the war as fast as Australia and New Zealand and Canada, they had to make sure it was only the graduating cadets of the military school who joined the rebellion and not the larger army) and Smuts although of Dutch/German decent and a hero of the Second Boer War bend the knee to the Britsh and would go on to utterly destroy a white communist uprising (During his first time as pm in the 1920's) and even bombed them in the suburbs of Johannesburg where a lot of rich White's called for him to be removed for not having a civilized chat with fellow whites and for acting like the British in 1899 who sent in their army the second trouble started. Boer youths who grew up during this time hated the English and wanted the British to f off and actively hampered Smuts efforts to raise more troops to fight at El Alamein he wanted to have allow mass blacks to enlist and the Boers in parliament laughed and said sure but only with their traditional spear and sheilds. After the Smuts was made a British field marshal he lost all white support back home from the majority of whites who supported him for being a hero off the second Boer war and after his death in 1948, the Boers took over and made Malan prime minister who got Dr Hendrik Vervoerd to solve South Africa's race issues that Smuts and Botha and Hertzogg had pushed away to deal with later Vervoerd would create what is today known as Apartheid. In the 1960's whe left the British empire and the commonwealth and didn't even bother to look back with history classes being about how bad the British treated us and forced to fight our German cousins who helped us in the second Boer war not once but twice and how the British killed our women and children in camps and burned down our farms. We never liked the Nazi's since the Kaiser's Germany empire helped us in our time of need we still have German words from the Kaiser's time in Afrikaans and when South Africa had its own Nazi movement with the AWB (Afrikaner Weerstand Beweging - Afrikaner Resistance Movement) in the late 50's early 60's they where mocked everywhere and called child killers like the British and Boers were told by our politicians of the day to attack them and hurt them for their dumb ideas. Apartheid forced our 2 white groups Boer and English who never liked eachother since the Boer wars into 1 white group (Afrikaner, blacks are called African, Afrikaner even to this day is the collective term for white South Africans)
Basically to sum it up we saw ourselves as our own people, as Boers with came from the Great Trek and the 2 Boer wars and didn't see ourselves as Germanic, sure their where preferences for example English sought other English to marry (this includes other Britsh isles people's like the Scots and Irish and Welsh and English) while Boers sought other Boers (most where of Dutch, German, French decent but had other European's in their as well like Pole, Russian, Norwegian, Swedish, Spanish, Italian - basically those leftover mercenaries who came to fight the British who had settled down and made families) the Apartheid era government wanted to find common ground with Europe (the white continent) and labelled stuff as European or as Afrikaner in more rural areas since Europeans and other tourists wouldn't go into the country side but even today we see ourselves as white people of Africa and as Boers or Afrikaner people not really as European that's a long dead thing to before the Great Trek so basically pre 1860's
The AWB (South African Nazi's) still exists today but are less then 500 people and are similar to how there's Americans calling themselves"confederates" or neo-nazi and our mostly old people, think people pushing late 60's to 90's
The Tatsinskaya Raid was probably the most important of those raids on the airfields trying to supply the 6th Army in Stalingrad. One of the first successes of Soviet "Deep Penetration" tactics, the Tatsinskaya Airfield was overrun on Christmas Eve, 24 December 1942. "The airfield may not have received a warning, since flight operations were still going on."
Something like 72 transport planes were destroyed on the ground. To save ammunition, that was done by having the T-34s crushing or ramming them.
Yes, the 24th Tank Corps, operating 240 km from its supply lines, had heavy losses and was lucky to get back to Soviet lines without being destroyed, but in a few hours they wrecked German airborne supply of the 6th Army.
I doubt Gifu is named after the prefecture but rather Gifu castle (after which the prefecture is named) which is one of the most historically significant castles during the Sengoku period.
How many periods do Japanese have?
@@Darwinek Usually one per month. But for real answer: Just read wikipedia article and if you like that, a book.
Gifu in this instance means the Gifu Castle. The province was named after the castle. Gifu was built by Oda Nobunaga, and was the most advanced of it's its time, starting an arms race in fortifications in japan. It was also the objective for the Northern Army during the Battle of Sekigahara, the last battle of the Warring States Period.
6:10 It's very funny seeing the Allied troops reaction to winter in Tunisia, I live around that area in Annaba and that's pretty much how winter goes, it's a very rainy area of North Africa, the whole area from Bizerte to Algiers is probably the rainiest part of the whole region
As someone from the Netherlands, Northern Africa (where I've never been) always seemed to me like the Sahara-light 😅🤣
I mean, I know it's not the Sahara itself, so it must get some rain...
But still I would never have guessed that winter means rain for you guys.
Best wishes to you and your loved ones, in the pandemicy times :)
I'm a vivid watcher since the time of the "Great War channel". Thank you for the great work the whole team is doing on this war-topic. No where else one can cover such a detailed historic storytelling. Happy holidays to everyone.
Happy holidays to you as well!!
We've come a long way from the WW1 Christmas Truce episode.
Dang ... We have
Imagine a Christmas Truce on the WW2 eastern front...not likely
Well, for one, you have to remember it was the first year of that particular war. There would be no similar truces afterward as more bodies piled up and hatreds deepened. Then came the post-war era, years of bloody revolution and radical propaganda that drove nations even further apart. By the time WWII rolled around, the notion of chivalry amongst enemies was a dead letter in most instances (if indeed it ever existed).
At 03:20 -- I love how the little aircraft outlines being so accurate to each model
A dark episode in a dark year...but after the darkness, the sun returns.
"we sunk few of their ships, and they dropped the fucking sun on us. TWICE"
Nope just more death
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Brilliant episode, Indy. Cheers and peace to the whole crew at Time Ghost. Thank you for this invaluable historical reckoning with the futility and stupidity of war. Never forget.
I always liked how the Japanese attempted to conceal the building of the airfield at Munda. The airfield was built in a coconut plantation, and the Japanese engineers tied the tops of the trees together with cables before cutting the trunks at the top and bottom. This, they hoped, would conceal the construction work underneath the canopy. Unfortunately, they didn't take into account that stereoscopic aerial photography would uncover the ruse, and the Americans started bombing the airfield about a week before it was completed and the camouflage came down.
The Time Ghost team always manages to bring the perfect balance of wit, humour, pathos, solemnity and at times indignation to their work. Outstanding writing/performance/production at every turn. Really admire and appreciate your work. Thank you and hope that everyone has a happy holidays!
I have a question about operation Mars and Uranus. I once read, that Soviet doctrine said to attack in at least two places, and than support the more succesful attack, to facilitate an breakthrough, while the other attack(s) would be downgraded to a diversion. Wouldn't that mean that both operations, did exactly what the doctrine laid out? The Red Army started two big attacks, both aimed at a breakthrough, when Uranus broke through, and Mars didn't, Mars was downgraded to an diversion. Not because Mars was a failure, but because the doctrine demanded to exploit the bigger breakthrough.
I think they felt no threat in front of Moscow, but had to deal with Stalingrad. So the main target should be Stalingrad.
Both have enormous amount of troops near Moscow, it's better to keep pushing Germans because can you find a better chance to face them?
They took huge casualties that's true but things could be more worse if they meet Germans in different scenarios.
Mars started after Uranus, they werent simultaneous, also were this doctrine followed, you would have expected to see Mars being weakened to support Uranus and for the ambitiousness of Mars to have been toned down. i.e. to pin the Germans rather than sustain massive casualties trying to break through.
I think possibly it was initially a diversion but it got carried away with the idea of "what if we can break through" to the point that what actually took place had none of the qualities of a diversion even if that was the original intent.
Klaus this is a great question, you must post it on our TimeGhost Army forums for Indy or Sparty to read them on-air! timeghost.tv/
" remember comrades. We are Russia. We are like tank. If they take out tracks, we are artillery. If they take out Cannon, we are Machine Gun Nest. If they take out machine gun, we are pillbox. If they take out armor, we are HEROES"!
A Russian dude I used to shoot guns with:😁
Thank you very much for your warm Holiday wishes but more so thank you for the haunting plea, and heart wrenching words that are so true..." Let's not do this again". With so many historians and videos glorifying the history of warfare,
It's sometimes easy to forget the utter horror of war. It's heartening to know that there are people like yourselves in your excellent series on World War Two, that remind us that war is man's folly.
May it never happen again!!
Thank you once again, your words mean a lot!!
4:26 This somewhat kinds of reminds me of what the Americans would encounter again decades later in the Vietnam War, with the Viet Cong (VC) employing similar camouflaged fortifications and tunnels and engaging the Americans at short ranges in the jungle vegetation.
A lot of Japanese soldiers defected to the Viet Cong after the war ended; from what I understand, their hatred for the West's victory overrode their disdain for communism.
A guy in a studio talking. A few very good graphic maps and some stock photos. Some excellent research and you have the best WWII video history on the internet. Nice work by Indy and Time Ghost. Merry Christmas.
Thanks!
Really nice segway from Napoleon's mention on the Giraud part into the comparison of Napoleon and the Wehrmacht in Russia.
Thank you for all the hard work and content produced this year in 2021 (1942) and here’s wishing the team and everyone happy holidays and a good year ahead in 2022 (1943)!
Happy holidays and a happy new year to you as well!!
"Let's not do this again"
epic quote, Indy
"Let's never do this again...". "Louder!", says Italy.
Indy really nailed it at the closing remarks! Happy Xmas!
As usual my hats off to you Indy. I'm a ww2 history fanatic and your channel is highly appreciated.
Merry Christmas everyone at time ghost, and to all who watch this show.
Merry Christmas to you as well!!
I really appreciate how this channel never goes for the sensationalised version of war where it is presented as if it is somehow cool or fun. It's not. It's fascinating, but it's fascinating because it staggers the mind what people can do to each other. And this channel reminds me of that. Let's never do this again.
" Lets not do this again", well said sir.
It's worth noting that though AFHQ was shocked by Darlan's assassination, in a perverse way they found it somewhat helpful - Giraud was 'kicked upstairs' to take Darlan's place, and so was removed from command of French forces, being replaced by the far more genial Alphonse Juin, which greatly helped frontline coordination between Allied forces.
All the best for the festive season, looking forward the the new year. Much love Indy, Spartacas, Astrid, Anna and everyone at Timeghost.
Thanks for sparing some time to mention the Burma Campaign. My father was there at that time, a radio operator. He went as a fit and healthy 23 year old and returned back to Europe a 6 stone wraith like figure, (our mother’s words)Rarely did anyone know what was happening.
The Forgotten 14th
"Let's not do this again." More tothe point than "Peace on Earth."
Thanks
Let me make sure I understand. General Eisenhower, upon finding an attack untenable because rains had turned the battlefield into an impenetrable mire, called off the attack, thus failing to take advantage of a perfectly good opportunity to kill tens or hundreds of thousands of his own men for no gain?? What kind of general does that? What would Douglas Haig have done in similar circumstances? What would Ian Hamilton have done? What about Robert Nivelle? Douglas Haig must have been rolling in his grave when Eisenhower acted in such an ungeneral way.
General Lugi Cardona would have made two attacks instead, this Eisenhower does not understand the power of elan.
@@kevinconrad6156 Yes, I forgot about him, didn't I!!!!
These were my thoughts exactly lol
Eisenhower didn't have a portrait of Konrad watching over him
Don't worry Eisenhower will make good on that in Korea and Vietnam, even considering to start a nuclear war. He is a real General after all...
I think in Africa, he just could not get the machine going at all.
It was Plato who said; Only the dead have seen the end of war. ' Let' s not do this again.' So eloquently put. So fitting for this time of year.
Well said at the end. While this subject is very interesting, it's always important to keep it into perspective just how many people suffered and died that didn't need to. War isn't a game.
Unless you're a politician
@@daveanderson3805 True
Tell Putin that.
Powerful ending there. Well put. Subdued. Powerful. Put me in tears. Happy holidays, everybody.
Hey WW2-Team.
Im a long time subscriber from the first weeks of World War *ONE* and follow you since then. I may have found a subect you didnt cover until now:
Can you make a special a episode about soldiers slang? Like funny or interesting words and phrases often used by frontline troops + What we may even say today. Generally an insight about what war-customes still have influence today would be an interesting view on the war.
Love your work. I wish you all a great start into the new year.
Cheers from Germany!
Merry Christmas from Cleveland
Merry Christmas to all of you, and thanks again for what you do.
still waiting for Indy to hang the phone saying: I love you too
I like the subtle commitment to the joke that Paulus’ middle name is Jose.
I like the candy cane tie..but then again, I like All your ties. Merry Christmas, thanks to you and your army for everything..it really is appreciated.
Even if Paulus could have broke out his men were to weak from starvation and exposer to do so.Thats one of the unknown reasons he obeyed Hitlers orders not to break out.They didnt have the health to reach Manstien 40 klm outside of Stalingrad
Well spoken last words, Indy, from an old sailor! Merry Christmas to all who read this!!
Merry Christmas to you and yours as well 🇨🇦
Maybe,.. just maybe,.. This channel may convince enough people of waging war being a very bad idea to make the difference. Your effort is much appreciated.
Nope.
My father was in USN, WWII. In the early 1990s, he took a trip to Europe, the first time he had been on the Continent since 1944. He was in Hamburg and went to the City Museum where they were having an exhibition on Hamburg during WWII. There was a lot of material about the unions (put down by Hitler), life on the homefront, and the rest, but at the end, there was a series of tables. On each table were four photo albums. Each photo album had about 10 pages, four photos per page. These were men from Hamburg alone who there was no official record of what happened to them on the Eastern Front. Above the tables, "Do You Have Any Information About These Men?" My dad stood there stunned. He first thought was "Oh my god, all these men lost, all these families left not knowing." His second thought was, "You stupid b*****ds, you brought this on yourselves!" He left in tears.
I would just like to say Merry Christmas to the crew and my fellow TimeGhost Army members on RUclips. And on all platforms. Very, very Merry Christmas to on and all. Thank you for still posting today this was a great gift from everyone!
That is THE best closing statement that I have ever heard.
"Let's not do this again"... amen. Merry Christmas!
I want to say merry christmas and thank you to Indy and the rest of world war II crew for bringing such valuable video to us all, and have a happy holiday to all!
I got chills when he said “Let’s never do this again”
Very good. One of the best strategic episodes. Happy Christmas and a Better New Year.
Marry Christmas. Thanks TimeGhost team. This history is very important to keep telling the future. "Let's not do this again".
Props for that ending, Indy! Merry Christmas to all.
Every war is a darkness. Those a words from a person who saw it.
Gosh ,, watching this makes me feel so thankful I'm blessed to be safe at home ,
These poor souls that had to endure hell on earth.
Instead of Christmas cheer ,
Merry Christmas to all ,
Always be thankful ♥️
Happy year end festivities and a great 2022 TG team and fellow supporters. Stay strong! Excelsior !
Happy new year to you as well!!
Mr Neidell, thank you for that message and the heartfelt emotion behind it. Yes, never let us do that again. Humanity to find some unity. Merry Xmas and thank you for your channel.
Another excellent video, this time with a strong, simple and touching final message. Merry Christmas, and a great start into 2022.
That final line after the summary of the last week of the war really moved me. Let's never do it (or let it happen) again.
Merry Christmas to all the he Time Ghost Staff and the online community.
Lovely Christmassy tie. Great choice. 4/5
Happy holidays everyone, and I'll see you in 2022.
Happy holidays Gianni
That ending was so good.
The introduction to this video is best Christmas present I could ask for.
Lmao
A Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all of you and of all of the viewers of this series. Yes, "Let's not do this again." That's a sentiment all of humanity should feel. Here's to a peaceful and prosperous new year. Take Care and stay safe everyone!
What Eisenhower said about the offensive in Tunisia is correct, and is one of the reasons why Fredendall will get relieved of command, and Anderson almost gets sacked as well.
"Demanding an honor guard of British soldiers when celebrating the anniversary of Napoleon's victory at Austerlitz" - BASED
I went past the Place de la Bataille de Stalingrad in Paris today. One of the stranger ways I have marked Christmas Day...
'Let's not do this again' - If only that were possible, but I fear it is only a matter of time.
Now that is a dependable waistcoat; I feel you could take that through all of life's vicissitudes without it ever letting you down.
A very pleasant Christmas & New Year to you all. All at Timeghost can be proud of helping to ensure, through your work, that we do not do this again.
You got with that ending, Indy. You got me. Well done. Very well done, sir.
The Velikiye Luki map and animation are awesome!
Merry Christmas to all of you at Time Ghost, and any member of the Time Ghost Army! Happy holidays too all! Positive thoughts
Soviet tankmen when raiding German airfields: look, sitting ducks!
Awesome episode! Loved the wish at the end. Merry Christmas, happy holidays, and a happy 2022 to everyone!
Never underestimate the power of mud. Can't wait for what happens in Tunisia after the soil dries. Cheers Indy!
And a Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all your team. Another great episode .
This is a good ocasion to watch the movie "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" (1983) by Nagisa Ōshima.
The movie centers around a group of British POVs in Java and their relationship with their Japanese captors. It manages to be both a wholesome Christmas movie and a harsh depiction of the Japanese mistreatment of Prisioners of war.
It has an unlikely cast consisting among others of David Bowie (the musician), Takeshi Kitano (the guy from Takeshi's castle) and Ryuichi Sakamoto (the composer, who also wrote the music for the film).
Period covered: December 1942; Christmas 1946
Historical accuracy: 3/5 - Based on Laurens van der Post's experiences as POV during WW2.
IMDB grade: 7.3/10
Now that you mentioned this, Sakamoto's theme immediately started playing in my head. It's a beautiful piece of music.
I think one thing that has suprised me about all of this is the length of the "battle of stalingrad" The deadliest battle in history doesnt really feel like its lasted all that long.
Hello, TimeGhostArmy! I was wondering if you could do a biography special on Captain Tameichi Hara. I read his memoirs in his book called "Japanese Destroyer Captain", it's a very interesting book and I think you're listeners would enjoy it very much. Keep up the good work. I'm always interested.
I'm afraid he's not in our plans right now, but you never know in the future! Great to hear you're enjoying the videos
Merry Christmas Indy and the TimeGhost Army! Have a happy and healthy 1943/2022!
Best holiday wishes to the Time Ghost team!
Awesome episode as always! If it was possible, it would be helpful to show us divisions strength (men capable of fighthing) on maps. We see this little boxes but I guess these divisions dont have always all men ready to combat. I know that it is sometimes mentioned. Anyway, your maps' animations are superb, especially eastern front! Good job, keep going.
Merry Christmas TimeGhost crew and thanks for these great episodes! Cheers!
Merry Christmas to all of the TimeGhost team! Thank you for all your amazing content
Merry Christmas, Indy, the whole crew and the Timeghost ARmy.
So, I suppose coming out of hiding in Stalingrad to enjoy a game of Christmas soccer with the enemy is out of the question?
On the western front of WW1, Christmas truce made sense because for both sides,war was simply soldier's action at that time, while Eastern front of WW2 was full on brutality fest,with massive warcrimes commited,so friendly football match was out of consideration.
Pretty amazing the Japanese could build the Gifu line in the jungle with the difficulties of logistcs and starving to death.
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Now they just make lines of waifus
I don't think you can base the decision of what was the main attack what may have been diversionary on numbers alone. It makes sense to use your major force to keep the enemies attention in one area while using a minor force to conquer in another area. I'm not saying Mars was or wasn't diversionary, but it could have been, although one-third of a million casualties is a high priced diversion. You have to wonder if the same casualties would have been casualties if they were just sent to the Little Saturn Front with no Mars Front taking place. Great episode, Indy. I appreciate the week by week reports on the war. It gives much more significance to individual battles and actions that get over shadowed in other styles of reporting WWII. For example, Guadalcanal was an important battle, and every documentary about the Pacific War will say it is important, but will quickly push aside Guadalcanal to get to Iwo and Okinawa and other battles of the Pacific. I often think this is a little like it was must have been for the home front, only much more terrifying for them.