Back in the 70's I carried two Leslie 145s in my van along with an Earth B-2000 for the piano.. That stuff, mini-B and the piano filled my Econoline.... I've missed that sound ever since.... This is exciting!! I'm ready...
The Fantom is looking a lot more tempting now. It is a good organ engine, though not as strong as several competitors at this point, but plenty usable, no doubt. I do wonder how soon before Roland does a follow-up successor engine. I bet they could improve on it relatively quickly.
This is so cool! It's such a nice fat organ sound. I'm excited to download and check it out! A JD800, D50, and FM model would make this instrument perfect!
I don't see D50 model expansion in the near future for Fantom. It requieres ACB modelling capability, only available on Jupiter X/Xm. I don't know if the fantom's hardware allows ACB (analog circuit behavior).
@@Flavio-ar no, no, and no. The D-50 was 100% digital. www.roland.com/global/promos/d-50_30th_anniversary/ It does not require ACB to reproduce. The D-05 boutique version uses DCB, as does the Roland Cloud version. Jupiter X/Xm do not use ACB, that is the System 1/8. Jupiter Xm/X use ABM for its model banks, as does the Fantom now. I expect the JD-800 expansion for the Fantom in the future, not a D-50 tho. It has many D-50 patches already.
There is another good solution for that actually. Get a Yamaha MODX or Montage for the great FM-X engine, developers of the famous DX-7, and run a laptop with Roland's own VST's which will offer you all of the engines you mentioned and many more, plus will give you compatibility with sound collections from the Montage/MOTIF series/DX-7 series & compatibility with the vast majority of Fantom sound collections as the main ZenCore engine is made as software from Roland, plus they offer lots of their other famous synth engines including the D-50 & JD-800 which they don't offer for the Fantom. And if your concerned about having the Fantom B-3 engine, you could run the B-3X software made in part by the Hammond organ company which is probably the powerful organ engine available for either hardware or software short of having a real B3. The solution brings the best of both worlds. Plus Korg offers around 11 engines as VST's too, including some from the Kronos, and including some Korg synth engines that are newer than the Kronos which it doesn't have, plus Korg's "most famous" engines which are not available for the Kronos. My solution is win win win. The best of the 3 companies. Yamaha doesn't offer their hardware synths in software the way Roland & Korg do, so it's pretty logical to choose them for your physical keyboard.
Vraiment génial cette nouvelle update, que de nouvelles fonctions ajoutées depuis la sortie du Fantom en 2020 !, en encore ne n'est pas fini vu le hardware embarqué :)
The Roland XP10 was my first budget professional keyboard. From there I was pretty much playing portable Yamaha and Casio keyboardS. Now I have the Roland Juno DS. I sometimes feel like Roland has something thing for everyone but still feel like it’s a little more on the rock/pop side of music. I play mostly gospel and listen to a little jazz, classical, r&b, and a few other things. I really am looking to have that one be all keyboard but the organ is just not there for me with the type of music I play. This is not a slam on Roland as I think their keyboards give the best bang for buck but more so don’t see the draw for musicians like myself like it used to be. I kinda wish it was showcased for more genres of music. I could be missing it though and just have not looked around the internet enough. When I saw this video I was thinking I would hear that warm watery sound as I call it. Great upgrade but just wanting a little more.
Run the organ out via a sub out to a Neo ventilator or any rotary pedal of your choice. Or output it via the 16 USB outputs and use your favourite leslie plugin of choice.
I find the updated YC61 and Hammond clones passable enough in light of the alternative and limitations in moving around. Roland are laughable in this area. So I scarcely even look when it comes to these sorts of sounds. Imitation is after all only that. Just depends on how much you really need it and what you'll layer it with. As nice as it is to have independent devices for everything; it's not great on money, transport or space. Each year is a move forward though. So I am sure it will be done. Plenty of demand and time isn't exactly capped. For now.
would you be able to make a D50, TB303 and a JD800 expansion? also could you make the chord memory so that you can actually make your own chord rather than using the chords already given to you? thanks
The lack of upper and lower registers is really disappointing. The only way to get two organ sounds split across the keyboard is for one to use samples and then that sound does not incorporate the Leslie simulation. Roland, you can do much better
To the developpers. I wasn't aware you can do firmware updats like this. This is great news because I have a special request. Your pianos don't have the sustain pedal implemented. On a real acoustic piano, all the other strings resonate sympathetically so the sound is very different than just sustaining the notes you just played. It would be EASY to implement without going over the tedious task of sampling both the note without the sustain pedal and with the sustain pedal. Here is the tip: just implement a special gated reverb you can configure to go ON when pedal is down and OFF when the pedal is up. For my own Fantom8, I have implemented a reverb to be triggered with CTRL1 and I split my sustain pedal wire in two jacks, one in the HOLD input and the other in CTRL1. I is better but the reverb don't shut when the pedal is up like an acoustic piano. BTW few years back we DAW users where sooooo happy when the GigaPiano got released! I HAD THE SUSTAIN PEDAL IMPLEMENTED just like a real acoustic piano! Where and why did this go away? I tried ALL the new digital software pianos out there and still use the original Giga Steinway B piano! Trouvez l'erreur...
As soon as I turn on Percussion, the 1' drawbar stops working!!!! It looks to be working, but becomes inaudible! That does a real Hammond not do.... Why is it ????
@@Flavio-ar yes I try it today in my PC but some reason that daw in my PC I need to use it with a lot of buffer because it lag the plugins don't happened with Reaper but I am waiting to my new m1 Mac sow those latency days soon will be gone
@@raymondborrero9184 I also had lot of latency issues with cakewalk on windows 10 (basic integration ). It took me a lot of research time to figure it. After setting correctly USB Mode on Fantom and several parameters on cw, right now the latency is unperceptible, not only for midi and audio recording&playback but using Zenology pro.
@@Flavio-ar use canteble as vst host that have lomoa zero problems with vst is free I use reaper because for me have guive no issue with latency zenology works fine with the two
Yess it sounds great. 👍 Too late for me unfortunately. The lack of a propper tonewheel organ was the reason for me not to get this as my main keyboard last year.
@@mstk8845 I got the Stage 3 and I am very happy with it. I could see myself picking the fantom though if I would have to get one now as roland has released some nice updates for it.
@@innosteve Yeah Nord has kinda gained some ground in that arena of music. I see their sound as very earthy and soulful but they can fix any genre. I like more one man band kind of keyboards mostly because I’m not as good composing music.
OK, after upgrading how do access the Tone Wheel Organ? Because its certainly not under the Organ category, go figure, Roland couldn’t make it easy just once.
I have a question, I would love to install Version 2.50 on my Fantom 6 however I would like to know if it will remove my model expansions that I got from Version 2.1, I would hate to loose those. Please let me know if it will be safe for me to upgrade to the newer version without changing what I already have. Thank you.
It doesn't remove anything. The update file contains the new tonewheel organ. It's not an additional expansion download. But for safety reasons do keep a backup of your expansions.
I’m curious if the 9th drawbar has a physical controller or that still needs to be adjusted on screen? The few Roland demos out on the organ have completely ignored that there are 8 sliders and 9 draw bars.
@@ablesam, yes, the USB volume is there, but it hasn’t been shown that it is ported to the organ. In the 2 videos done by the Roland guys so far, they haven’t moved the last drawbar. Also, using the USB fader would preclude its use for USB input volume. I’m guessing that the last drawbar does not have a physical control assigned to it or you have to switch zone banks to access it. Rolands demos understandably tend to gloss over any drawbacks or missing features of their products, showing you what they can do vs what they can’t. I take delivery of my Fantom 7 next month. I guess I will know for sure at that point!
Hi there, please find info on downloading the free FANTOM v2.5 update for your FANTOM 6/7/8 Synthesizer at this link. You will be able to access the Virtual ToneWheel Organ after upgrading. www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/fantom_6/updates_drivers/f94ba5c9-a547-4ddb-a77c-9948c602b6fe/
@@rolandglobal I think the OP was asking how to get to this inside Fantom8 AFTER the update? I know it is in ZONE2 but you REALLY need to select zone 2 on the left. When changing scene, it always revert back to zone 1 so check it and change it manually to ZONE2 where the new VTW is. Otherwise, you wont find it.
lol I just basically posted this. I’m interested in the fantom but the organ mostly reminds me of rock so less of a pull to get it as the end all workstation.
I haven't compared that one, but the B-3X is the most powerful organ engine (vs hardware or software) on the market. VB-3 is very good too, and only $14 for iPad's and iPhones.
Great video, very well presented. Thanks Roland for having Mark do the video and not the usual guy.
Back in the 70's I carried two Leslie 145s in my van along with an Earth B-2000 for the piano.. That stuff, mini-B and the piano filled my Econoline.... I've missed that sound ever since.... This is exciting!! I'm ready...
Wow! I love the new Virtual ToneWheel Organ in the 2.5 Update. The FANTOM just keeps getting better and better. Thank you so much, Roland :)
Impressive, sounds like real Leslie inside!
OMG, this is awesome! It fills a hole that I needed to be filled, and it's FREE!
Just did the update, sounds fantastic! Thanks Roland! Keep 'em coming :)
Always a pleasure to see you demo instruments, Mark!
Thank you Rajarshi.
Just installed this and am very impressed! Thanks very much.
yes! this is a very good thing! been waiting for a killer organ sound. I knew you could do it Roland. 👍
Yes! Thank you Roland and about time. Ive been so disappointed having to gig with my FA instead of my fantom due to lacking organs.
Wie schön daß bei diesem update ausschließlich Orgel spielende Abelton User berücksichtigt wurden !
The Fantom is looking a lot more tempting now. It is a good organ engine, though not as strong as several competitors at this point, but plenty usable, no doubt. I do wonder how soon before Roland does a follow-up successor engine. I bet they could improve on it relatively quickly.
This is so cool! It's such a nice fat organ sound. I'm excited to download and check it out! A JD800, D50, and FM model would make this instrument perfect!
Yes!! Those models expansions would be lovely!
I don't see D50 model expansion in the near future for Fantom. It requieres ACB modelling capability, only available on Jupiter X/Xm. I don't know if the fantom's hardware allows ACB (analog circuit behavior).
@@Flavio-ar no, no, and no. The D-50 was 100% digital. www.roland.com/global/promos/d-50_30th_anniversary/ It does not require ACB to reproduce. The D-05 boutique version uses DCB, as does the Roland Cloud version. Jupiter X/Xm do not use ACB, that is the System 1/8. Jupiter Xm/X use ABM for its model banks, as does the Fantom now. I expect the JD-800 expansion for the Fantom in the future, not a D-50 tho. It has many D-50 patches already.
@@xp50player Thanks you. You´re right. Now clear.
There is another good solution for that actually.
Get a Yamaha MODX or Montage for the great FM-X engine, developers of the famous DX-7, and run a laptop with Roland's own VST's which will offer you all of the engines you mentioned and many more, plus will give you compatibility with sound collections from the Montage/MOTIF series/DX-7 series & compatibility with the vast majority of Fantom sound collections as the main ZenCore engine is made as software from Roland, plus they offer lots of their other famous synth engines including the D-50 & JD-800 which they don't offer for the Fantom.
And if your concerned about having the Fantom B-3 engine, you could run the B-3X software made in part by the Hammond organ company which is probably the powerful organ engine available for either hardware or software short of having a real B3.
The solution brings the best of both worlds. Plus Korg offers around 11 engines as VST's too, including some from the Kronos, and including some Korg synth engines that are newer than the Kronos which it doesn't have, plus Korg's "most famous" engines which are not available for the Kronos.
My solution is win win win. The best of the 3 companies. Yamaha doesn't offer their hardware synths in software the way Roland & Korg do, so it's pretty logical to choose them for your physical keyboard.
We STILL can't do linear sequencing and time signature changes/compound time signatures?!?
Can the sampler be synced to the song / pattern now? I guess not.
I have been waiting for this since I bought my Fantom 7!
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
super super cool + fantastic demo!
Vraiment génial cette nouvelle update, que de nouvelles fonctions ajoutées depuis la sortie du Fantom en 2020 !, en encore ne n'est pas fini vu le hardware embarqué :)
Yes! Yes’! Yes! Yes!
Seems the product is nearly finished. /s
Still waiting for my Fantom G6 ARX tonewheel expansion. xP
Very nice Mark!
Thank you Robin
Ongeloofelijk knap gedaan, soùnds like the real thing, awesome job Roland
I assume this is only for the Fantom 6 not the Fantom 06. Sounds great 😀
The Roland XP10 was my first budget professional keyboard. From there I was pretty much playing portable Yamaha and Casio keyboardS. Now I have the Roland Juno DS. I sometimes feel like Roland has something thing for everyone but still feel like it’s a little more on the rock/pop side of music. I play mostly gospel and listen to a little jazz, classical, r&b, and a few other things. I really am looking to have that one be all keyboard but the organ is just not there for me with the type of music I play. This is not a slam on Roland as I think their keyboards give the best bang for buck but more so don’t see the draw for musicians like myself like it used to be. I kinda wish it was showcased for more genres of music. I could be missing it though and just have not looked around the internet enough. When I saw this video I was thinking I would hear that warm watery sound as I call it. Great upgrade but just wanting a little more.
YES!
With all the tech we have in 2021 and nobody can replicate a Leslie Speaker. One day, I hope!
and they never will
Run the organ out via a sub out to a Neo ventilator or any rotary pedal of your choice. Or output it via the 16 USB outputs and use your favourite leslie plugin of choice.
I find the updated YC61 and Hammond clones passable enough in light of the alternative and limitations in moving around. Roland are laughable in this area. So I scarcely even look when it comes to these sorts of sounds. Imitation is after all only that. Just depends on how much you really need it and what you'll layer it with. As nice as it is to have independent devices for everything; it's not great on money, transport or space. Each year is a move forward though. So I am sure it will be done. Plenty of demand and time isn't exactly capped. For now.
Thanks from Dr. Phibes. ;)
would you be able to make a D50, TB303 and a JD800 expansion? also could you make the chord memory so that you can actually make your own chord rather than using the chords already given to you? thanks
Those trainers though! Want!! : D
Hi Roland engineers. Please add granular synthesis to Fantom. It can even be in effects. Sorely missing!
Blessed!
Endlich!
*All you need is just a Fantom - the one and only!!*
If you have never updated before, does the new update add all of the previous updates as well?
The lack of upper and lower registers is really disappointing. The only way to get two organ sounds split across the keyboard is for one to use samples and then that sound does not incorporate the Leslie simulation. Roland, you can do much better
SUPERNATURAL DRUMS PLEASE ROLAND!!
Yessss please
COOL
Please release this update for the Roland FR-8x digital accordion!!
Hi Dale, not sure if they can install it on our FR-8X. Would be nice. The B3 we get already on our FR8X is ok anyway IMO.
To the developpers. I wasn't aware you can do firmware updats like this. This is great news because I have a special request. Your pianos don't have the sustain pedal implemented. On a real acoustic piano, all the other strings resonate sympathetically so the sound is very different than just sustaining the notes you just played. It would be EASY to implement without going over the tedious task of sampling both the note without the sustain pedal and with the sustain pedal. Here is the tip: just implement a special gated reverb you can configure to go ON when pedal is down and OFF when the pedal is up. For my own Fantom8, I have implemented a reverb to be triggered with CTRL1 and I split my sustain pedal wire in two jacks, one in the HOLD input and the other in CTRL1. I is better but the reverb don't shut when the pedal is up like an acoustic piano. BTW few years back we DAW users where sooooo happy when the GigaPiano got released! I HAD THE SUSTAIN PEDAL IMPLEMENTED just like a real acoustic piano! Where and why did this go away? I tried ALL the new digital software pianos out there and still use the original Giga Steinway B piano! Trouvez l'erreur...
Speaking of Roland + ToneWheel, when can we expect a firmware upgrade to fix the organ issues on the VR-09?
Send them a message/complaint on Roland backstage. They should see it and be able to help.
As soon as I turn on Percussion, the 1' drawbar stops working!!!! It looks to be working, but becomes inaudible! That does a real Hammond not do.... Why is it ????
Hey, can anybody tell me where to find that preset??? I just got the Fantom (OS V3.01) and I can't find it!?
AND HOW DO YOU GET TO THAT SCREEN ? It's so annoying he never shows how to NAVIGATE THERE
make the JD 800 for the Famton dont mater if we need it pay for it and a other daw cud be Reaper and Cubase
now support Ableton Live DAW.
@@Flavio-ar yes I try it today in my PC but some reason that daw in my PC I need to use it with a lot of buffer because it lag the plugins don't happened with Reaper but I am waiting to my new m1 Mac sow those latency days soon will be gone
@@raymondborrero9184 I also had lot of latency issues with cakewalk on windows 10 (basic integration ). It took me a lot of research time to figure it. After setting correctly USB Mode on Fantom and several parameters on cw, right now the latency is unperceptible, not only for midi and audio recording&playback but using Zenology pro.
@@Flavio-ar use canteble as vst host that have lomoa zero problems with vst is free I use reaper because for me have guive no issue with latency zenology works fine with the two
Yess it sounds great. 👍 Too late for me unfortunately. The lack of a propper tonewheel organ was the reason for me not to get this as my main keyboard last year.
What did you get?
@@mstk8845 I got the Stage 3 and I am very happy with it. I could see myself picking the fantom though if I would have to get one now as roland has released some nice updates for it.
@@innosteve Yeah Nord has kinda gained some ground in that arena of music. I see their sound as very earthy and soulful but they can fix any genre. I like more one man band kind of keyboards mostly because I’m not as good composing music.
When comes Cubase-Integration?
How much does it cost, Sir
Hey Mark, does zone 2 need to be selected in order to get to tone edit vtw?
Yes
OK, after upgrading how do access the Tone Wheel Organ?
Because its certainly not under the Organ category, go figure, Roland couldn’t make it easy just once.
You have to select zone 2. The VTW is only there on zone 2 just like the V-Piano is only on zone 1.
@@ablesam Thanks
Hahmonic bah.
I have a question, I would love to install Version 2.50 on my Fantom 6 however I would like to know if it will remove my model expansions that I got from Version 2.1, I would hate to loose those. Please let me know if it will be safe for me to upgrade to the newer version without changing what I already have.
Thank you.
It doesn't remove anything. The update file contains the new tonewheel organ. It's not an additional expansion download. But for safety reasons do keep a backup of your expansions.
@@ablesam Thank you for the info. Yes I will surely back them up just incase. Thanks again !!
@@ablesam Yes but where is it? I d/l v2.5 but can't find the new virtual tone wheel!
@@MarioBruneau Zone 2. It is a V engine like the V.Piano.
where do i find the organ ?
Zone 2.
I’m curious if the 9th drawbar has a physical controller or that still needs to be adjusted on screen? The few Roland demos out on the organ have completely ignored that there are 8 sliders and 9 draw bars.
There are 9 sliders. 8 slider for the volume of zones 1-8, 9-16 and the 9th slider is for the DAW input/output volume.
@@ablesam, yes, the USB volume is there, but it hasn’t been shown that it is ported to the organ. In the 2 videos done by the Roland guys so far, they haven’t moved the last drawbar. Also, using the USB fader would preclude its use for USB input volume. I’m guessing that the last drawbar does not have a physical control assigned to it or you have to switch zone banks to access it. Rolands demos understandably tend to gloss over any drawbacks or missing features of their products, showing you what they can do vs what they can’t. I take delivery of my Fantom 7 next month. I guess I will know for sure at that point!
@@kappyLV You can use all 9 faders. When you are in VTW mode all 9 faders are automatically assigned.
@@BrandonRyan, that’s great to know. Thanks Brandon!
At 5:27 he uses the drawbar #9
How do you access the tone wheel organ?
Hi there, please find info on downloading the free FANTOM v2.5 update for your FANTOM 6/7/8 Synthesizer at this link. You will be able to access the Virtual ToneWheel Organ after upgrading. www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/fantom_6/updates_drivers/f94ba5c9-a547-4ddb-a77c-9948c602b6fe/
@@rolandglobal I think the OP was asking how to get to this inside Fantom8 AFTER the update? I know it is in ZONE2 but you REALLY need to select zone 2 on the left. When changing scene, it always revert back to zone 1 so check it and change it manually to ZONE2 where the new VTW is. Otherwise, you wont find it.
Farfisa would be great
It already has a farfisa
Would've been nice/better to hear a Gospel organist demonstrate the new tone wheel organs ..
Thanks for the feedback. Noted 🙌🙏
lol I just basically posted this. I’m interested in the fantom but the organ mostly reminds me of rock so less of a pull to get it as the end all workstation.
Please implemente a setlist function like the Kronos, then I buy a Fantom….
Scenes and scene chain.
En español xfavor
Arturia B3 VST is far more realistic and you don’t need the embarrassing Fantom
I haven't compared that one, but the B-3X is the most powerful organ engine (vs hardware or software) on the market. VB-3 is very good too, and only $14 for iPad's and iPhones.
"Fantom is an evolving platform" aka we will never finish this product .. exactly like we did with soooo many others.