My First Impressions of Payday 3
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Here are my thoughts on Payday 3 from my experiences with the game that we have so far. Is Payday 3 any good?
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0:00 ➪ Intro
1:00 ➪ Gameplay
8:57 ➪ Stealth
11:30 ➪ Skills
12:49 ➪ Graphics/Performance
15:24 ➪ Conclusion
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in retrospect, I think I set the post processing gain a bit high, balancing the mic audio and game audio is slightly different now that I'm running both a new mic and new headphones so I'll have to get used to that. this is also the first video uploaded in my new native resolution at that native resolution quality, so instead of 1080p upscaled to 4k (for youtube video compression shenanigans), this is just a true 1440p. hopefully the quality looks good
I kinda disagree with your stance on the movement Payday 2 was just to crazy with movement imo.
Makes me feel like every movement I make is meaningful and more grounded.
And I think the new stealth is better than the wacky stealth in PD2 I wouldn't call payday 2 stealth realistic either.
I can atleast admit there is more thought in stealth this time around.
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@14:50 I think I see you in your cabinet :P
xbox performance is terrible
@@joas466 not on my series x it wasn't???
I have to say that most of the gameplay section flip-flops between "it's not like PD 2, make it so" to "this is too much like PD 2, change it". I'm actually interested in the more slow PD: TH gameplay loop as PD 2 is still perfectly accessible and in-depth after all the content updates, whilst TH is TWELVE years old by now.
That's because PD2 did a lot of things great, but also lacked a lot in some places.
Stealth is definitively way better in PD3, but the fun of going full unhinge and disconnecting from the doorframe to absolute bangers during loud is gone. It looks like One Down/high crime spree slog that almost nobody wants to do after couple of times unless they're grinding infamity
Payday 2 started as a more slower paced game like PDTH byt powercreep led to needing harder difficulties which eventually led to it being the horde shooter what it is today. Being more similair to PDTH is just a plus imo.
@@DD_Vandal Except difficulties scale really well with how skillful you are. Mayhem is a zerg rush for people with less optimized builds, and a chill shooter for someone that used to play on Death Wish. Practically an Osu the FPS
@@Phantom-el6oeThe difficulties don't scale that well at all. The game subtly becomes less unengaging with each level, then the jump between Death Wish and Death Sentence is huge. It goes from mild or moderately difficult to almost unplayable if you don't have a specific setup.
@@Phantom-el6oe When certain weapons, skills and playstyles become not just less effective but blatantly unusable at higher difficulties, it punishes people who don't jump in with the power creep.
I like how he’s actually brutally honest about the game. most people try to sweeten the truth to keep a good relationship with the business people. but i like how he tells the actual truth he feels.
Amen. A lot of things he dislikes I find better, like a slower and more grounded movement, but there's still things like the filter, specials being indistinct and so on that are just poor design choices.
Either he cut ties or his shill bucks haven't arrived yet. This guy was like the biggest corporate bootlicker for Payday 2 there ever was.
@@MomsRaviolihe has always been making payday content, he’s the best payday has in the community to help create a better game
And that's how he lost his sponsors because Star breeze is not supporting him now
I agree on the designs of the specials but for me they were doing new things I saw the zapper putting down his mines a lot and the cloaker was definitely hiding and running on walls I even saw the dozer doing his run so i I do think their a lot better
okay, that's great news, but I definitely did not see much of that at all. The only "cloakery" thing I saw was the slide shown in this video, I definitely never saw a zapper put down mines once, and the rest of the specials didn't use their other moves much. Maybe I was just unlucky
@@GeneralMcBadassone thing you might not have noticed was cloakers destroying deployables, doesn't come up a ton of you play smart and keep near them, but if you get spread out it can hurt resources a lot
@@GeneralMcBadassApparently (according to dev dairies, I wasn't let into the beta) the abilities of specials is the main thing that scales with difficulty so some abilities may only be active on higher difficulties.
Allegedly this means that instead of damage/health scaling and spamming more units the units will use more of their moveset. If it works that's great because it helps keep the skill gap flat and reduce power creep so good play is about playing well not out DPSing things.
One ability I'm looking forward to is cops will now stack up and move with Shields so they can move tactically and actually protect other cops.
@@PlebNC I definitely noticed this as the difficulty increased (I played later in the beta so I actually got to experience skill progression). On V. Hard there were mines everywhere and Dozers would get right up in your face and keep pushing you.
@@GeneralMcBadass I saw a video where cloaker waited for the player to use the med-pack then jumped down from the ceiling vent. (Also heard that cloakers now use acid to destroy your stuff)
For me during the beta (I played a lot) I saw a cloaker do a flip, I can't recall how it went down cause I was in awe at it. I do remember seeing a cloaker hide behind the printer near the vault. You could kinda tell if you paid attention that the cloaker was hiding behind it but would've rushed to the back entrance with the bag and got a smackdown.
With the Nader and the Taser, they have spots on them. Then if you shot said spot, it would backfire on them. The Taser had a pack on the side of leg that if shot would explode and would shock them. The Nader has a pack on its stomach if shot would explode them and leave a little toxic gas puff. I do believe these might have aoe damage.
I think the first few months of this game will legitimately make or break overkill
Definitely will be the decider. Payday 2 for all its jank was an excellent title that became a cultural phenomenon both in and out of gaming. Big shoes to fill; and Overkill's existence is on the line for sure as this game has to make bank to bring return on investment for the company that bailed them out. After seeing how they've flopped hard on everything else that wasn't Payday 2 I openly say that I'm a little worried here. I hope they still have what it takes to develop their flagship IP the right way.
@@TubeOfLaughes Though I am very disappointed about the modding scene. One of the main reasons I still play payday 2 is the mods. It's a shame to see that there are no mods and only texture overhauls. I hope they implement them in the future
@@muhammaddarwish9566 I hope so too. Mod's improved the game in so many ways that I can't go back to vanilla. Hopefully they'll be wise enough to at least implement some of the most useful quality of life mods from PD2 into the game as standard options also.
They cant go back to milking PD2 again, can they?
@@muhammaddarwish9566the game is not even out how can you talk about mods? 😵
Having the design philosophy of the dozer being “we want him to feel like a final boss!” And then throwing two of them at the players a minute into the heist is definitely something
13:03 "it makes everything look dull and lifeless" dude you are literally in New York what do you expect
What does “literally being in New York” have to do with graphics and performance?
@@easternunit2009 everything looks dull and lifeless because it's in new york, what's not to understand?
@@alphachestnut he is not on the funny side of things
@@alphachestnutOkay, but what does it have to do with Graphics and Performance?
@@easternunit2009 It's New York, the place normally looks dull and lifeless I mean have you seen the damn place?
The beta build is supposedly from April. People that got to play in Sweden confirmed that some things weren't in the beta that were in Sweden. That makes me a little bit more hopeful, especially because the performance for me wasn't really good, with an RX 6800 in 1080p ranging from 40-60 fps indoors to 100-140 fps outdoors.
how did you have more frames outdoors, it was exactly the opposite for me lol
yeah the beta was a shell compared to Sweden, so I do think this time the beta isn't just a thinly-veiled lie to cover mistakes... it genuinely IS a months-old build lol
And what was your cpu? I was running ultra, 1080p on a 3060 ti, which is worse than your gpu, and getting around 80-90fps indoors, same with outdoors. I have also seen people on 3090 ti's struggling to get 60, but they've also had bad cpus.
@@gerutzu575 usually depends on post-processing and shadows when going outside heavily
Was facepalming for this exact reason at the stupid "what you see is what you get!" comment he made lol
As someone who played Payday: The heist and Payday 2 at release, I can't wait for the next 10 years of progressive power creep and batshit insane quests, maybe we'll even go to space this time.
P.s please bring back Jacket, I miss my tape recorder voice lines already.
Same!
Jacket is best heister
I am on the complete opposite side. I don´t want random bs added on Payday again. Payday 2 ending on some mayan crap made it feel like years of following the story were wasted
FINALLY someone pointed out that the revolver feels limp!! I was watching a bunch of videos were people sharing how much they love the revolver while showing footage of them shooting what looks like a nerf gun. I really wish the gun has more oomph to it on release, it looks like a joke rn from a visual feedback standpoint.
agreed, the animations have less personality and the sound design is not as good as payday 2 - good think this beta build is quite old compared to the current state of the game
@@Oppen1945 Payday2's revolvers had a little more oomph for feedback, and that didn't affect its performance in the slightest. Recoil doesn't always have to affect gameplay, just in the way that the animation is done to create something that provides visual feedback that feels satisfying.
Stealth Mode seems super promising so far.
Also I had to do a double take when you closed a door, because that is certainly soemthing that PD2 has ruined me with.
New mic sounds good. It's actually really noticeable! Loving this new era of GeneralMcBadass
I got access to it, managed to put 20 hours in it.
Gunplay as you said, I agree, its alright, it wasn't gonna be hard to improve on PD2. Only way i found to reload cancel was by sprinting, which is annoying but they did add a multi step mechanic to reloads, say you start reloading the revolver, you dump the casings out, have to sprint to cancel it, once you continue reloading, you just quickly put the new bullets in. Same for other guns with magazines.
I didnt like the smgs at all, makes having the revolver to deal with heavier swats, shields and snipers a necessity. Every other gun was great, found the M14 the best in the beta, shotgun a close second, the perk that added bullets directly back into the gun on kill loop was fantastic for clearing out rooms, especially once you got the 10% damage bonus going.
I feel like the armor bag was the only one worth having, since armor no longer regens like in PD2 and you get first aids from hostsges AND since gun play is slower you struggle less with ammo. I never ran anything else once armor bags were available.
Loud was barely improved on in terms of mechanics, but i did like that having many hostages around nerfs some cop units, e.g. Shotgun cops swap to pistols, grenadiers use flash bang rather than tear gas. Stealth feels brand new and the new mechanics of getting detected then escorted out or cuffed means you get a couple get out of jail free cards, making it easier on newcomers, i like it.
Graphics were okay, the game ran alright, no stutter or freezing or long load times, just expected better visuals from an unreal engine game. I did struggle with FPS stability, fluctuated a lot. Had to cap it 45. And yeah, also hate this matrix green filter.
Internet connection was actually fine 90% of the time. Crossplay is welcome, makes me feel like console players wont be left in a ditch again. But i did notice that console players struggled a lot more on higher difficulties.
And yeah, audio is iffy, cant hear specials well, music sometimes is too loud (great song though), and our voices feel buried beneath it all, i wanna hear my characters more, get a feel for their personalities.
Last notes, the gun painting mechanics looks like crap. The way to unlock attachments through use is nice. The C-stack currency thing feels a bit pointless. Like a worse continental coin.
lotta great takes here. I share a lot of sentiments, but I didn't want to touch upon balance yet because that's one thing that will always change as the game's lifespan continues. but the SMG did feel useless compared to the ARs lol. same with the armor bag, basically the only one worth having because the only unit to chip your health (if you had armor that is) was the grenadier, but he wasn't very oppressive
AWESOME review. So detailed, concise, and specific. This is truly one of the old school game reviews before the major commodification of the games journalism. I knew it would be a good one because it's coming from you. Keep up the good work man
The main thing I hope for is that the movement is less sluggish. You can slow down the pace of the game without taking away the players movement
this
I always felt pretty fast playing, about what I played as in pd2
FINALLY! A decent reviewer who isn't blindly gushing over the game and takes a grown-up approach to critiquing the beta.
After 2k hours in PD1 and 2, I look forward to trying pd3, but there is nothing outstanding at this stage imo.
Also to add, although graphics don't make a game alone, the world looks flat/uninteresting, and the facial models look like they are from the early 2000's source engine. G-man's facial model looked better and that was almost 20 years ago🤣.
if you take the time to pause and look closely at character models, they look awful
Agree, characters look awful af
@@GeneralMcBadass i like dallas and chains but hox and wolf look off
@@joeJOE-zy7rw the hair on wolf is putrid as well
Who cares about graphics, the gameplay is important
Thank you very much for being critically honest about the game. A lot of people get really upset when they hear somebody critique a game that they're hyped about, so I'm glad that you were honest on this issue
idk how i missed this video but im happy to see your impression. the first gameplay in the background looks already so cool. thanks for your video
Nice to see the Pay Day 3 content roll out General, love the long stealth videos by the way
The only thing I truly dislike about the gunplay is that the weapons don't feel punchy at all, as you already mentioned. I think in games like Payday, Killing Floor, Vermintide/Darktide it's crucial that shooting and hitting feels powerful, it's all about animations, visuals, sound design. PD2 had lots of shake and punchy sounds, which obviously made it mroe difficult to properly aim but the immersion you get from it is worth far more imo.
I'm glad you got to play the Game and give your critiques! I was waiting for you in specific since a lot of our tastes are similar
I got lucky and had about 5 hours with the beta so I got the tail end of it where most of the day 1 issues were long gone. No leveling issues, connectivity or lagging so I feel like I got a good picture of what the game will be like
I like the gunplay and shooting personally. I know a lot of people are used to the good ol fashioned arcadyness of payday 2 but honestly Ive always preferred the buttery smoothness and awkward milsim movement of pdth (i realize im in the minority on this but its my opinion)
The bindings are atrocious and theres no reason to have the shout key bound to the same key as the chat/ping wheel - its just awkward but the menu looked unfinished so hopefully there will be a way to bind them separately or disable it completely on launch
The 2 maps we've all seen are a little bland and small but they're much better than jewelry store heist and the starter bank in payday 2 and more replayable, plus I heard theres going to be a nice mix of larger heists too, including a big bank/fwb-esque map thats already been semi leaked in screenshots of cover art - if thats the case, having a mix of small and large maps will be healthy and im looking forward to seeing how they pull it off
I like the simpler skill system, I guess its a shame for people who liked optimizing builds, and as you said, people who liked the silly stuff, but for me personally I wont be missing the old skill system because I would much rather the gameplay be centered around how well you shoot and use your surroundings opposed to optimizing your builds with a magnifying glass. I realize I am also in the minority on this as well but like I said - Im a firm pdth enjoyer (i will miss playstyle changing perk decks though like stoic, hacker, kingpin, ect.)
I agree with the cosmetics of specialists, they look too normal and dull. Bring back the panzer style bulldozer from pdth
Online only is the stupidest option they could have chosen for a company that was just saved from bankruptcy not even a whole half decade ago seriously wtf were they thinking? Ive already seen a massive amount of hate from people who A) cant play online only games because of location and B) refuse to support the shitty practice. Add that with sprinkled in lack of mod support and allegedly $40 for 4 additional heists that have no guarantee of being high quality and you have yourself a recipe for a game that will be dead in like 2 years tops
The gameplay satisfyed and really resonated with me as someone who enjoyed pdth but there are some very questionable decisions surrounding the release and it feels very patreon scammy but the beta proved itself to me at least. Heres to hoping theyll listen to feedback and not do a back for blood
Personally I really enjoyed the beta, and as a console heister I’m looking forward to finally get some updates for the game!!
Thank you so much for your opinion, i was waiting for your video on payday 3 cause i know you would share your honest opinion and dam do you make some good points.
Thank you so much for this incredibly precise review!
Im really curious on how LMGs will work in Payday 3. I hope they arent overkill weapons so you can actually use them for the duration of the heist, but i also really wanna be able to actually ADS with them. As neat as a gimmick as "better hipfire" was, it got annoying
This video is really well put together. I think the Payday 3 team needs to see this so they get a good perspective on what they should improve upon and what they need to fix. 👍
I had a good time with the Beta, had no performance issues and can see myself playing it.
But im cautiously optimistic.
It has the potential of being a good game, but it could also fumble at launch similarly to Warhammer 40K Darktide.
I enjoy Darktide and in October it will release a substantial update. It is now in a good state: after 9 MONTHS.
To put it shortly they cant afford to fail and go back to making PAYDAY 2 DLCs like they did when OVERKILL'S The Walking Dead died.
Darktide is definitely not in a good state.
@@Thedefenses Good compared to initial release, there is still a lot Fatshark needs to fix like the dreaded RNG and Locks.
But at the pace they are going ? We are going to have to wait.
the thing that worries me most about Payday 3 is their idea of adding in new levels and more skill points as the game goes on, which will power creep the player and make past heists much easier, while increasing the grind for new players who might want to jump right into the new content
@Lethargy514 Still no news on Sienna's career which is to be expected from Fatshark's radio silence.
I really appreciate this review. Mentioning that the gameplay is slower and less absurd, specifically the bit about "it feels more like a sequel of the heist than 2" was super helpful.
Unfortunately I won't be buying the game on launch but maybe I'll check back in 6 months to a year to see if the wacky shenanigans are back. Time will tell
This is the pd3 video I've been waiting for
Happy to see you are going to play PD3 , I remember back in the days when you did like PD2, but that was long time a go...
I'm excited to see this setup video.
I couldn't perceive a difference in your voice recordings between this new microphone and your previous microphone.
I liked hearing your perspective on this, as a passive PayDay2 enjoyer
Love the voice quality personally.
Mic sounds awesome!
You should def do a Setup tour!:D
Id love to see a set up video! Man seeing Gen with a badass Pc makes me happy for some reason
i like how honest you were with the review, i tried it on the beta weekend and i might get it, but i won't preorder, it just feels like more payday, but it gives me pleasent nostalgia about doing Tabula Rasa achivement with friends so i will get it at some point i think.
Great to hear your thoughts but on the regard of the Shotgun I was able to cancel the reload between shells by aiming. In fact the shotgun tree seems built around just loading a couple shells here and there rather than sitting for a full reload.
Also on the point of skills it's hard to judge since with my time I only had 7 skill points but I felt even less restricted in terms of building.
The microphone sounds great btw Gen, You did well setting up the VST plugins.
Please do make a paydaay 3 full release review, your the first and only payday youtuber i watched and was someone who basically got me really into the game so would really like to hear what your full thoughts are once the game comes out
Love the new mic, makes your voice sound like you can do a narration of a dr. Seuss book
"tasers no longer have an audio cue when they charge up" and then 10 seconds later in the footage you can distinctly hear that exact audio cue
I don't see how the visuals in the game could be better. I think people are just so used to war torn environments in games that they forgot what real life looks like.
Performance is the last thing to be finished in a game. So "It's a beta" is a genuine excuse there.
Great video! Mic sounded good.
My biggest gripe is that the recoil feels like a mobile game compared to PD2, very low camera recoil and it makes the gun feel less satisfying to shoot, nothing will beat having dual glocks in PD2 and having to control those monsters during a spray
That guard was a poltergeist with the way his head was poking through the wall 😂
That's what I was gonna say, it's really like payday the heist, great vid btw
My main gripe with the game so far is the cop health overall. Like, it doesn't feel good to have to put 2 shells of a shotgun point-blank into a SWAT unit's chest to be able to kill them. I realize they're probably trying to emphasize headshots, but still, they feel way too tanky for standard units.
New mike sounds fine, better than the last one. I would be interested to see your setup. I just upgraded myself so i want to see if I can get similar performance.
Out of curiosity, why low settings for shadows, etc.? Was that a performance gain or just a way to deal with color blindness issues?
if you care just about comparing raw performance, my specs are in the description. also, I turned shadows to low because people were saying it's one of the biggest contributing factors to inconsistent framerate, I opted to turn it down preemptively
New mic sounds awseome man :)
The only review I was waiting for, thank you
I mean, he is the face of Payday
Yo my guy no one played pd2 because of the pretty visuals but because of the exiciting and fun gameplay loop
New mic is good and I love your honest review and doesnt shill it... like some does..
i played the beta on a 3060 and a 2080. it runs surprisingly well and i was hardly gerring frame drops on the 2080.
Great video, and nice setup you got there now.
Also a friendly reminder that Payday 3 will be on Gamepass day one, so no need to pay up to 90 bucks for it, maybe $5 if you dont have gamepass already
I'm not colorblind, and i agree the specials do have a visibility issue. I understand the cloaker, because hes kind of supposed to be like that, but ive had a few matches where a grenadier has gassed the entire map and no-one can find them, dozers come up out of nowhere, i never saw a problem with the tazers, but they are fairly hard to distingush in a group. the filter is pretty gross too, reminds me of the grey/brown military shooter trend from the late 00's, early 10's.
Dear general thanks for the heads up time to start saving
i really enjoyed playing the beta
performance on my end was not optimal but i am using a G-Force 1060 so quite an old graphic card compared to PD3 and i still had
Consistent 40 FPS in stealth ( probably due to the many civs walking arround)
Consistent 60 FPS on Loud
on low settings
i overall liked the new features/mechanics they added, trading hostages for resources / delayed first assault for example is really cool, interacting with something is not just standing in a place for x seconds but you have mini-games to speed it up
the new changes to stealth definetly freshens up stealth and especially the seed system make stealth way more appealing to me as someone who played like 95% heists on loud.
the skill system has definetly its ups and downs but to me it looks like it is easier too add a new skill-line compared to a whole skill-tree or sub tree so i think they might expand it in the coming years
I am overall optimistic that the game will turn out great
One thing that does put a smile on me that was a big pet peeve of mine in PD2 was the player interactions. As in... Finally, we don't have that white circle we have to wait to fill up to open the doors, safes or windows. Now, it's still present in the game, such as when answering the radio or hacking something with your phone, but it's far less of it. When you're lockpicking, you're actually lockpicking. Might not be super complicated (if I was Overkill, I'd make the spot move every time you hit it correctly to make it somewhat harder), but at least you're doing something. When you're cracking a safe, you're actually cracking it. However, at the same time, I'm realizing that this isn't really all that praiseworthy. This stuff is pretty much basic nowadays. Although it does make me wonder whether or not they'll try to find a way to make things more interesting in other heists.
I hope that starbreeze will make a choice between making the game either serious or goofy (but hopefully goofy). I didn't have the luck to try the beta but the contrast between stealth and loud sounded insane
God please no. Payday was never goofy. It only became that way after they ruined the games tone, atmosphere, and balance with update after update. It was always about over the top cinematic heists that were still grounded to reality. When i got payday 2 i wanted a sequel to payday the heist. Not fucking Saints Row.
Goofy with a few serious heists like in Payday 2 is pretty much perfect if that's what they go for.
Keep goofiness to events and jokes, keep heists and gameplay semi-serious, unless you liked the two shot fiesta that DSOD is.
@@LeaveMeAloneFBIGoing to have to agree with you. I enjoyed PD2, but after playing PDTH, I was kind of disappointed on what the sequel turned out to be. PD2 is still fun but I think all the goofiness should stay in PD2 to keep its identity, I don't want this game to just turn out like an exact copy of PD2 with better graphics
@@LeaveMeAloneFBIthe only goofy stuff that was actually bad was how out of control the narrative went. The subtle gags an exaggerated pager lines landed the game some of its most iconic aspects. The only over the top stuff that’s just blatantly too goofy is some of the event stuff not heists. Also have you seen the playerbase on pc? The amount of shitpost mods is unearthly. I’d go as far to say part the reason payday is popular is because of how goofy it can be.
I want auto peaking over on ads to be the next "slide mechanic" to be popular in games. its very simple to implement and really makes shooters more fun being able to peak over cover with the click of a button.
I have been playing payday2 since 2013, totally agree with you on the review on Payday3.
Movement and gun play is important. Really hope the skill trees have personalized deck perks.
you got me into payday 2, around the time big bank was released and i enjoyed Payday 2 greatly. HOw should i say, as there was no real story, just any heist you like, it was a good game trp pass the time with no real hurry/objective in mind. Steztealth sure is greatly improved in payday 3. Tough, as a singleplayer, I am curious how how team al will be in payday 3. I played mostly on normal in payday 2, due to how incapable the bots were aginst tasers and cloakers
when i saw me friend play this game it looked like a generic team based horde shooter, im glad if they want to make a payday the heist successor but i didnt like payday the heist. I like payday 2's shitload of a buildcrafting and gunplay i dont want to deal with hyper realistic hipfire and recoil and a single perk row
on the other side, if they wanna make streamer bait i think they've done pretty well, every basic unreal 5 asset, a slide movement tech, always online, 3 different purchase options, denuvo, 28 gigabytes for a single heist, if they keep going i think streamers are gonna be the only ones playing.
Something I liked that i doubt most noticed, hip-fire was really good. I was headshotting snipers from across the street, down the block with an m14 with no stock on it. I really, really like hip-firing, it keeps my screen more clear for faster targeting
Edit: My Little 1660 That Could runs the beta at 55-60fps consistently at 1080p low settings, and i don't think the game looks much worse
When was1080p bad?
Honestly all the sluggish movement and parts you were “critically honest” about I am looking forward to. I know it’s not MilSim but I’m looking forward to the more realistic style and less casual arcade gameplay
I like the silly waddling crouch animation, lol. I thought the VA work was great but I wish there was more banter throughout the heist. Gameplay was solid but a little clunky. Overall excited but not going to preorder
Online only is a deal breaker for me. Thanks for your input General.
The post processing can be changed and thats good because it should be. As long as they add things like variable rate shading and FSR the visuals should be fine
FSR looks like dogshit though
Finally an honest payday 3 beta review, everyone else seems to either be paid shills or straight up delusional not seeing what you saw here, great video man
I had a lot of time with the beta and I'm mostly happy with it despite the fact it was a months old build
Gunplay was definitely a massive improvement compared to PD2, but as has been said it isn't a particularly high bar to pass, however the guns look and feel amazing, more smoothness as such. Needing to use different weapons for different scenarios and having to use guns to level them up allows players to feel comfortable with different weapon classes and encourages people to play differently unlike PD2 where meta used the same weapons.
In regards to stealth, much like mustard you like it or don't, it isn't for everyone but it is undeniably true that stealth has been improved massively, casing mode alone makes stealth feel like it is more than just bunny hopping honkey tonkey break dancing all over the map avoiding enemies like the plague, there are actual ways of stealthing without murdering half the map and because of the phone hacking you can have one or more team members stay unmasked keeping tabs on guards
My overall impression is, it isn't going to be a perfect sequel and people are going to be unhappy about various things regardless, nothing is ever perfect but in my mind it looks a lot more appealing and less chaotic than PD2
did I see that pagers only come into effect if you bag a body? That's kinda sick, honestly.
no, it's just delayed now. which means you have time to pick up the body. picking up the body does not dictate whether the pager comes, it always comes
Having "slower" actions makes consequences of your action more meaningful, just like longer/interruptible reloads. You have control over your actions: to not do them when it's not appropriate. Rather than press one button and fly 10m forward. What would take away your control would be actual cc and maybe suppression mechanic. (which I believe would be a far better trait to add to bulldozer rather than massive hp pool)
Staged reload...etc. and all of the "slower" actions makes the game feel much better than how floaty pd2 was, it makes the gameplay more immersive and thus rewarding(feels like I actually hauled a bag of cash, soon gold, to the getaway van and fought hard along the way rather than floating through it all). Part of why pd2 had to have enemy damage/hp tuned way up at higher difficulties is likely because players could just do everything fast and thus have very low downtime/exposure to enemy fire.
And specials being less fruity-colored makes them much more of a threat in a crowd rather than two clicks. It will make marking, spotting skills...etc. more useful. As long as they handle sound cue correctly.
I agree, also adding on with them being similar styles fits in with the military type you don't want to stand out too much in battle. Like if the enemies knows certain type of people will be wearing bright orange and that those people are going to use explosives against you. Your gonna spot them easily in the battle and prioritize your attention on them till they are dealt with. We are supposed to be the bad guys here don't make it that easy on us we aren't that bad.
"Floaty" is a great way to bescribe pd2
I like him but god do i hate how he uses his opinions as if they were facts that make the game worse
To me Payday 3 feels like Payday 1.5, which is fine if you enjoyed the first game, but Payday 2 did something special and turned a methodical shooter into an insane arcade shooter where you could refine builds, destroy entire waves on your own, throw bags into the sun, revive people by shouting at them with inspire from across the map and most importantly for me at least, doing all this whilst listening to some of the best ingame music Ive ever heard. Payday 2 has been a Steam chart topper for the longest time and it feels like they've stripped most of what made Payday 2 great, for some people this might be a welcome change but I feel like for most people, it will become very stale very quickly
Hot take maybe and maybe they'll surprise us
I actually like how u can't see the specials easily, makes the game harder and more surprising
im here because i want to hear your take, your opinion is important to the payday commuity tbh
These are all important info I was wondering. My bro bought me payday 3 because I love payday 2. I play on a gaming laptop, I’ve always played vanilla (no mods) and I need the brightness turned up.
I’m looking forward to more fun stealth (I enjoy it as a slow game play when my brain is fried from the day). Guess we’ll see if I can handle loud.
great video as always! I was waiting for your thoughts on Payday 3.
I see you got 7800X3D, I got the same processor. It's a beast! Although, I hope you updated your bios. Not sure if you researched anything about the CPU (I hope you did) but there was an issue with that CPU and Asus motherboards where the processor was being overvolted. Update the bios to the latest one if you haven't as this will solve the issue and won't fry your new silicone beast
thanks for the heads up, I did update my mobo as soon as I could. but I'm also not using asus, it's a gigabyte board
I’m hoping there will be a huge variety of weapons in payday 3 like they had in 2 and hope they work on their recoil the sounds I understand that they won’t make you as quick or anything like 2 since it seems like their aiming on making the game way more realistic but I want them to counter the slower movements and Bhopping with other weapons or gadgets
the new mic is perfect
Seeing what they did with the movement kills me. I’m used to sprint+jump+crouch to speed thru stealth and now it’s nowhere near as fast paced and a huge adjustment for someone coming out of pd2
Well, what did you expect? This is a completely new game? Of course things are bound to change. This game is not made in Diesel, it’s made in Unreal.
Hey mcbadass your the only RUclipsr I have watched for payday 3 content. You will always have the best videos in my opinion! Love the new mic!
Mic sounds awesome
This game for me feels a lot better than pd2 did, but I do think they should make a few changes. Hopefully this will be much more polished on release
This is some reliable sauce right here
I run a i5 12600K and a 1050ti hopefully swapping to a 3090 when my paycheck comes but for now i use what i have and i had to run the game on low-mid settings especially the post processing i felt like it had the biggest difference but still had a smooth 45-60 fps all the time with 0 crashes or freezes so its better than payday 2 for now
Can’t wait for these new vids
thanks for the review man,been loving your pd 2 content.i think the pd 3 barely looks like an modern game and need more improvement.pd fans may like the game but normal players may not.
I like how when you interrupted the reload Chains just drops the magazine 1:42
cloaker copium: maybe they just hide really really good so you don't know!!
mic sounds great btw
bro the revolver shooting animation 😭
I hope you can mod for that movement clunk, running fast with dodge was my favorite part of pay day 2. But stealth looking good might be the reason I pick pay day 3 for.
I mean your criticisms show what needs to be improved and may be improved in the future… hopefully~
Sadly preordered it almost a month ago it was my "First payment" gift to myslef, hopefully it was not a bad gift :/. Love the review and you mic sounds perfect in my ears
I think it’s a great gift. Many people prefer PD3 less arcade speed, so don’t let an other person’s experience change your own experience.
I agree with your take just watching the footage. The player movements look more realistic, but actions are too slow in a wave clearing type of game. They would really have to redesign the wave mechanics if they were to keep the players actions this slow. It just doesn't look very engaging. The player actions remind me of something like the Sniper Elite series, now imagine a game like that, but you have to fight off a horde of enemies. It just doesn't work. I actually would have liked it if they did a complete overhaul of the loud heist gameplay. PD2 was fun as a wave clearing game, but something more slower paced and realistic with focusing also more on stealth would have been refreshing.
From my playtime in the beta i managed to make a shotgun armor build and i found it rather satisfying, using the limited 7 skill points they allowed us to have.
Vaulting and sliding feels natural despite neither pd2 or pdth having it
As for what i disliked.
The ui outside of heists felt awful, guns weren't in their own categories when buying (pistols in pistols and that sort of thing) overall it felt stupidly huge with it's basic rectangles.
Using iron sights felt weak
The heist barely having any randomized elements to it.
Trying to do stealth and then failing stealth feels like it puts you back at complete zero. Example from payday 2 being Big bank and how if you got through the lobby you now had access to the vault or how in pdth the alarmboxes in diamond heist got instatly hacked when hacked in stealth or when doing no mercy you can just find the right guy.
Mask customization was lackluster (probably will be better hopefully)
Cloakers charged me from behind 2 corners CONSISTENTLY (i have no idea why or how)
The online only connection (i believe it was day 2 that showed the ugliness of that)
C-Stacks (I get it's supposto be like a prestige system but the increasing buy price smells of some intentionally annoying and fabricated problem (which one could fix with say uh MICRO))
I do agree about the enemy silhouettes you mentioned, it's something that didn't come to my mind but it something did feel off about the specials
As for the map, i rather liked the inside of the bank, maybe the outside did feel a bit dull but that might be the point.
Graphics wise, i could run it on the lowest and it still looked pretty while running okay.
REALLY smooth voice, my guy! are you a voice actor?
the new mic is pretty good
Hey man I’m sorry you couldn’t play the beta version when it first came out would’ve been dope watching you jump around stealthing 😂