The Jugurthine War - E01 - Rome's Most Corrupt War (112 BC) DOCUMENTARY

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  • Опубликовано: 27 янв 2025

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  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  Год назад +47

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    • @javiersaugar376
      @javiersaugar376 Год назад +5

      First, thank you for covering this conflict, for years I've been waiting for either You, or Kings and Generals to cover the Jugerthine War, it's phenomenally corrupt.
      Second, I know it may not seem like a Forgotten War, but will you cover Sulla's Roman Civil War? Often when I talk Roman civil war with others. They always default to the Caesar v. Pompey war. But I think Sulla's deserves some recognition.

    • @johnathanadams6378
      @johnathanadams6378 Год назад +4

      I’d love to see a deep dive into the Cimbrian War. It’s almost never covered or just mentioned in passing. There were some insane battles and massive losses on par or possibly even exceeding Cannae.

    • @petermills3814
      @petermills3814 Год назад

      I've been following your channel & few others since 2016, and I just love all that there is about Roman and other history related to them on this channel here, along with the others from Kings and Generals... love your works! ❤
      We need more vids about Rome's trade with the tribes of Northern Europe & others during its republic & empire + trade with Persia = Parthia & the Sassanids in goings on back then, Arabia and the rest of Northern Eurasia between the Nomadic tribes... that would be great ideas for up next in the near future for Summer projects to make.
      And even one about, did Rome's trade with India actually destroy the empire's economy?
      Because Rome's desires for silks, spices and other previous goods were traded mostly with their own gold & silver coinage and bullion to India, that eventfully dried up over time in just a few centuries since the days of the republic = till the crisis of the 3rd century with the inflations & debasing of their coins... due to shortages, and the mines running dry.
      That situation was never fixed till the Eastern Roman Empire's time under Justinian and after, due to diplomacy in exchange deals between them... and monks stealing silk worms from China in making their own industry of it all back home in the empire.
      Pompey the great's backstory in history from beginning to end = with his campaigns against the Crete pirates + his involvement in Spartacus's late rebellion, the last remains of the Seleucids in the east and the Jewish state of the time.
      As well as Sulla, Crassus and more on Marius too.
      Maybe try this for future vids please Invicta? 👌😎😉
      Thanks again for all your hard work over these many years ongoing! 👍✔ Keep up the great work.

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 Год назад

      🙂🙂🙂

    • @hadtrio6629
      @hadtrio6629 Год назад +14

      Why are north Africans Portrayed as dark skinned while the amazigh of the north Maghreb are white?

  • @lvcaslemos
    @lvcaslemos Год назад +941

    Jugurtha was that kind of Total War player that when there was a lack of population to recruit armies, he bribed the enemies full stacks 😂.

  • @stuka80
    @stuka80 Год назад +742

    170 years previously, when the famous Greek commander Pyrrhus, had attempted to even just gift a chest of gold to the Roman senator Fabricius, it ended in a firm rejection. Or when Pyrrhus's physician informed the Romans that he would poison Pyrrhus for them. Not only were the Romans disgusted by the proposition, but they sent a letter to Pyrrhus informing him of the plot in paraphrased language;
    "Pyrrhus you are a fool, you make war upon honorable men, and trust yourself to villians. Nor do we inform you of this plot on your life for any regard of you, but in order that your ruin will not bring infamy on ourselves nor would men be able to say that we won the war by treachery, because we could not do so through valor"
    How far the Roman character had fallen by Jugurtha's time, its no wonder the republic collapsed not long after.

    • @isaack2084
      @isaack2084 Год назад +123

      I mean Roman character wasn’t that high to begin with. Lol. The Roman state mythologically started their first war by kidknapping and r@ping the women of their neighboring tribe, the Sabines.

    • @geordiejones5618
      @geordiejones5618 Год назад +150

      The wars against Carthage killed off a lot of the old nobility, and the ambitious commanders who fought in Greece and Spain saw conquest as a means to not only level up their own prestige, but to give their family names more value. Rinse and repeat for decades and decades until all thats left is Augustus and an elevated Equite class.

    • @Nick-hi9gx
      @Nick-hi9gx Год назад

      I mean, there is VERY strong evidence that Senators were accepting bribes from the Mamertines and their allies on Sicily to get them involved in the First Punic War. Corruption was always rampant in Rome. The first tax collectors in Sicily stole all kinds of wealth from the island, and this continued as they took Greece and Anatolia as well, more than a century of taking Greek statues and mosaics and all sorts of things. A few people were convicted of that corruption, but only a few.

    • @H_CHUD
      @H_CHUD Год назад

      ​@@isaack2084 the cucking of the sabines was based af

    • @stuka80
      @stuka80 Год назад

      @@isaack2084 ah, so disregard the uprightness and civic virtues displayed by Romans of the early and mid Republic because of what legend says their ancestors did? Like the rape of the Sabine women and the murder of Remus?

  • @WR288
    @WR288 Год назад +240

    Jugurtha spammed 'add_money 40000' into console command and just paid the roman stacks to disband.

    • @declanjones8888
      @declanjones8888 Год назад +9

      1,000,000,000 Denar I demand from thee!

    • @John-pk9rw
      @John-pk9rw Год назад +19

      He even transformed into a Congoid black guy to intimidate them

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Год назад +6

      Lol, I'm dong a campaign right now doing just that. It's nice to be king.

    • @Juanhop
      @Juanhop Год назад +6

      Unfortunately for him, he had no idea about process_cq or add_population, L M A O.

    • @Baseballnfj
      @Baseballnfj 7 месяцев назад

      give_trait "Jugurtha" "GoodBriber" 3

  • @vincentblackshadow1581
    @vincentblackshadow1581 Год назад +155

    Outside a small town in Tunisia near the Algerian border is a plateau. The view from the top is amazing as it is the highest point anywhere in sight. There is only one access to the top of the plateau. That plateau is known as the "Plateau de Jugurtha."

    • @naceraitboudjema4689
      @naceraitboudjema4689 Год назад +5

      If you want i'll tell u

    • @hamzahammami22
      @hamzahammami22 Год назад

      I don't see the reason of using the french "de", you can either call it in its local name or in English since that's the language used in the video

    • @vincentblackshadow1581
      @vincentblackshadow1581 Год назад +3

      @@hamzahammami22 I hiked to the top with a local guy who was on his way back from buying bread in the town at the base of the plateau. Most people speak French in Tunisia. Might be why the signs are in French. I caught a ride back down with some friendly soldiers in a military transport.

    • @hamzahammami22
      @hamzahammami22 Год назад

      @Vincent Blackshadow signs are both in french and arabic, most people know some french here and there and but are in no way fluent at it, nor are they able to have long conversation in the language, and even if they speak it that doesn't mean it their native or preferable language to use, and the french signs are mostly for french tourists

    • @Yh-kg8fr
      @Yh-kg8fr Год назад

      @@hamzahammami22 🤡

  • @jonathanyes112
    @jonathanyes112 Год назад +176

    I did a presentation on to my school’s classics department the other day about another forgotten man, Quintus Sertorius. Part of his life is the forgotten Social War, and perhaps you could say the Cimbrian War is also largely not acknowledged

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  Год назад +72

      Its been suggested several times and is definitely on our list!

    • @NobleKorhedron
      @NobleKorhedron Год назад +1

      Don't you mean Cimbrian War, rather than Cumbrian, @Jonathan Yes...? 🤔

    • @BOSIE321
      @BOSIE321 Год назад +4

      @@InvictaHistory Have you done, or are you thinking of doing, Virathus, the Lusitani rebel who defeated numerous Roman Legions in ambush attacks in Spain/modern Portugal?

    • @mrnice7570
      @mrnice7570 Год назад

      Ah yes Sertorius in Spain and the white fawn deer

    • @mrnice7570
      @mrnice7570 Год назад +2

      ​@@BOSIE321 Viriathius the shepherd , victorious until betrayed by his own people

  • @clarkstartrek
    @clarkstartrek Год назад +61

    Quoted in Sallust’s first-century B.C. work, Jugurtha describes Rome as “urbem venalem et mature perituram, si emptorem invenerit-a city for sale and doomed to speedy destruction if it finds a purchaser”-a valuable lesson he learned during his time with Roman troops in Spain.

  • @LeftoverPat
    @LeftoverPat Год назад +1

    Watching any of your multi-part series, i get the same excitement i used to get of the old Extra History videos back in the day. thank you for being so consistently detailed, professional, and know what history nerds want

  • @amranebraik4237
    @amranebraik4237 8 месяцев назад +5

    JURGTHA in berber means "he's above them all" or "Superior"

  • @nidhal4
    @nidhal4 Год назад +94

    Hey buddy, Numidians were Berbers, so they were not black! Not because we are africans and we live in Africa means that we are all blacks! There are many of us who are brown or white.
    Not to say that there's a problem with being black, absolutely not, but stop taking over other peoples culture and making it black culture, like we and our ancestors never existed!!
    This is very disrespectful.

    • @lcplapiata5501
      @lcplapiata5501 Год назад +2

      You're not white, back then Africa was colonised by the phonicians you were Assyrian looking mixed that with the Numibians who were black an the Libyans again who Assyrian looking.

    • @rodneydelboy6910
      @rodneydelboy6910 Год назад +26

      We wuz numidienz bruh

    • @chillin5703
      @chillin5703 Год назад +4

      Hello Nidhal, I hope you realize that there are, infact, many dark skinned berbers and that depicting them all as darker skinned is about as accurate as depicting them all as pale skinned - yet I'm sure you'd only complain about one of the two.

    • @Gonboo
      @Gonboo Год назад +37

      @@lcplapiata5501 No, Numidians are the ancestors to the modern day Berbers, so they were Mediterranean in skin tone, not sub-Saharan black.

    • @lcplapiata5501
      @lcplapiata5501 Год назад +5

      @@Gonboo no they weren't lol Sallust described them as Maurus, This name means “moor, dark-skinned”. It is a name of ethnic origin, derived from the Latin “Maurus”, meaning "belonging to the people of the Moors", who lived in the region of Africa called “Mauretania”, which extended from Algeria and came to Morocco and northern Mauritania. Probably the Romans gave them this name because of the dark color of the skin, in fact, amaurós (ἀμαυρός) in Greek means "moor, dark", also the meaning of amáurosi (αμαύρωση), browning, burnishing (burned or tanned

  • @MarkusAureliusAnt
    @MarkusAureliusAnt 11 месяцев назад +7

    Jugurta can become a new Netflix hero 😂

  • @Leo_1975
    @Leo_1975 8 месяцев назад +2

    Congratulations.
    I read Sallust's "Jugurtine War" when I was in college. But I didn't understand a lot at the time because I lacked more knowledge about Roman history.
    This video series is great and encouraged me to reread that classic book.

    • @n30escape
      @n30escape 5 месяцев назад

      Great but just for your knowledge we Algerians are white/brown people not blacks like guy portrayed us

  • @davidhughes8357
    @davidhughes8357 Год назад +4

    I've been studying roman military history for over 40 years and this has been very informative.

    • @hannibalburgers477
      @hannibalburgers477 Год назад

      I have a genuine question. Have you pursued an academical career? My advisor insisted that I should follow another branch of History, as I lack monetary resources to make an extensive research on ancient history, so I am making my doctorate on Early Modern Period. Is it really hard to follow a career on ancient history.

  • @fodge5395
    @fodge5395 Год назад +37

    I just wanted to point out something that bothers me when people depict Numidians in historical documentaries. The Numidians were not all black or very dark skinned. They were a Berber people would would have been mostly olive skinned, with some dark skinned people amongst them depending on the tribe. Most have 13% European admixture and 8% sub-Saharan admixture.

    • @MRBell-kg4kr
      @MRBell-kg4kr Год назад +1

      Well MR racist. The Arab invasion helped with the lightening of the skin in berbers. Also light skin isn’t a sign of “European”. European features and colored eyes are a greater indicator. Modern science says light skin is as recent as 20 thousand years ago.

    • @GaryJones69420
      @GaryJones69420 Год назад +13

      ​@@MRBell-kg4krlove it when people pull the race card on facts

    • @dihiahabireche2524
      @dihiahabireche2524 Год назад +3

      As an Amazigh or as you say Berber myself from Algeria ex-Numidia I confirm I'm white myself and as a decedent of the Numidians people are extremely ignorant to think we native people of Africa are black when in reality we're north Africans and have more European and Mediterranean DNA ( Europe is just a water away) on the contrary sub Saharian African DNA is very minor considering the humongous natural barrier that is the Sahara desert between north Africa and Sub Saharan Africa

    • @malektahri5590
      @malektahri5590 Год назад +8

      @@MRBell-kg4kr
      That's a very naïve statement, Its obvious from your comment you are Afrocentric.
      Arabs are not white or have lighter skin than Berbers to begin with, and this is not how genetics works lol.
      In North Africa, the Arab presence isn't as significant as most people think; they ruled for only about 35 years after nearly 70 years of war, then the Berbers revolted and independent Berber kingdoms emerged. Berbers are many times more numerous than they even during Banu Hilal and Banu Salim's migration which is considered the biggest migration wave to North Africa, as can be seen in Ibn Khaldun/Yaqut al-Hamawi/Abu Alabbas Anasiri's accounts, and more other historians.
      Actually, this debate does not require many arguments, the kings mentioned in the video had coins with their faces and it is evident they were no different from other Mediterranean people. You can also see how Egyptians portrayed Libyan tribes and what color they used for their skin, and how Herodotus described them.
      The portrayal of Berbers as black is really infuriating, as is what is happening with Cleopatra and Egyptian history, and that has nothing to do with racism.

    • @leovanimazighen7342
      @leovanimazighen7342 Год назад

      WE ARE MORE LIGHTED THAN arabs if you dont know a topic dont talk about @@MRBell-kg4kr genetic not the same its the time of science and dna we are amazigh north african no european or arabs make your own test then back talk aghyoul

  • @DeRegelaar
    @DeRegelaar Год назад +26

    That raid shadow legends, i still find it unbelievable that people play this nonsens and that company gaining so much money they can add on many historian channels.
    Fantastic video as always, when i was young, there was a comic about Jugurtha, a very good Belgian comic, it was amazing to read about this historic figure when i was a child, the first albums are true historical inspired and then it goes its own way after his ^death^.
    Thx for the video, big fan.

    • @origami83
      @origami83 Год назад +6

      you comment about that 'game' i totally agree with. They got a scummy monetary system and steal from artists. Its saddening that for many their standard for gaming has fallen so low that a thing like raid makes buckets of money.

    • @riceburner6739
      @riceburner6739 Год назад +1

      tbh, i havent met anyone playing the game. no matter how hyper and aggressive their advert is.

    • @fffrrraannkk
      @fffrrraannkk Год назад +2

      get the sponsorblock extension and you'll never know it even showed up in the video.

    • @patriot9487
      @patriot9487 7 месяцев назад

      @@fffrrraannkk you just made me aware of something that's just as amazing as ad blocker. Thank you so much.

  • @Nick-hi9gx
    @Nick-hi9gx Год назад +113

    Quite remarkable How this little war in a backwater of the Classical world legitimately led to the Roman Empire.

    • @isaack2084
      @isaack2084 Год назад +23

      Yea man. I actually like the Sulla-Marian era of the Roman Republic more than the Triumvirate era. Marius and Sulla were larger than life and their alliances and rivalries literally planted the seeds and set the stage for the later civil wars and Imperial stage of Rome.

    • @Nick-hi9gx
      @Nick-hi9gx Год назад +18

      @@isaack2084 Agreed, it has always saddened me how little attention they have gotten. The only games I've ever seen that focus on them are Alea Jacta Est, and a new mod for Total War Rome 2. Never seen a movie that focuses on them, except as a lead-up to Caesar for fifteen minutes.

    • @isaack2084
      @isaack2084 Год назад +12

      @@Nick-hi9gx there’s a great series of historical fiction novels by author Colleen McCullough. The first two books “The First Man In Rome, and “The Grass Crown” covers the events of the Jugurtha War, the Mithradites Wars, The Social Wars, and the German Invasions of that era. It’s the best storytelling I’ve ever seen on that period. It could make for a great tv series if they stuck to the source material.

    • @mrnice7570
      @mrnice7570 Год назад +6

      ​@@isaack2084 terrific series , one of the only ones that remains on my bookcase. Culminating in the October horse and then Anthony and Cleopatra stand alone novel

    • @isaack2084
      @isaack2084 Год назад

      @@mrnice7570 agreed. I tried to get into the later books but they weren’t as good as the first two.

  • @huntclanhunt9697
    @huntclanhunt9697 Год назад +24

    Could you guys do a video on the Macromanic wars, or maybe Constantine's wars?
    Not many make vids on the mid to late empire.

    • @lcplapiata5501
      @lcplapiata5501 Год назад +2

      Or Viriathus of Hispania so many to choose

    • @tulthor2967
      @tulthor2967 Год назад

      Better not, they will portay them am asians perhaps.

  • @BahriChihab99
    @BahriChihab99 Год назад +62

    As a North African descendant of the Numidians, as happy as I was for seeing one of my favorite historical channels talking our history as much as I was disappointed in seeing you depict us with Sub-Saharan features 😖
    We North Africans don't have the dark skin tone of Sub-Saharan africans
    We have Mediterranean olive skin

    • @DestroyerOfSense000
      @DestroyerOfSense000 Год назад +14

      The video didn't make them look quite like sub-Saharan Africans, though they were definitely depicted as having darker skin than Numidians would have had. I'm not really sure what the depictions were aiming for.

    • @BahriChihab99
      @BahriChihab99 Год назад +11

      @@DestroyerOfSense000 Yeah
      They were a mix north African facial features with a Sub-Saharan dark skin, a completely inaccurate mess

    • @chillin5703
      @chillin5703 Год назад +7

      There are many North Africans with dark skin. This is a joke comment.

    • @BahriChihab99
      @BahriChihab99 Год назад +22

      @@chillin5703
      Do you know North Africa, are you from here, have you been here or are just talking out of your a💲💲
      Native North Africans all have Mediterranean skin tones ranging from white to olive to tan
      Those who have skin as dark as the ones depicted in this video are all from Sub-Saharan origins

    • @scarymonster5541
      @scarymonster5541 Год назад +13

      @@chillin5703 clearly you never went to north africa

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Год назад +5

    I've heard of this conflict before. And now it seems that I'm going to see a series on how it all went. Can't wait to see the rest of it.

  • @Gonboo
    @Gonboo Год назад +119

    Numidians weren't black, they were the ancestors of modern day Berber peoples, so Mediterranean brown, not sub-Saharan black. Historical accuracy is kind of a necessary trait for a competent history channel.

    • @lcplapiata5501
      @lcplapiata5501 Год назад

      That's why you don't have a channel, you clearly don't have a clue.

    • @texenna
      @texenna Год назад +12

      agreed this is coming from a berber

    • @adolfhipsteryolocaust3443
      @adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 Год назад +10

      Berbers are actually white like Europeans, they can even have blonde hair or blue eyes

    • @texenna
      @texenna Год назад

      @@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 they arent white like europeans tho

    • @cocopus
      @cocopus Год назад +16

      @@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 the blue eyes and blonde traits are from the vandals that settled there. but originally they pretty similar to their Mediterranean cousins.

  • @Vella_Attika
    @Vella_Attika Год назад +20

    The Empire is watching you!

  • @LDN76
    @LDN76 Год назад +4

    As a child, I read the comicbooks 'Jughurta'. Very cool. As an adult, I bought all of them 😊

  • @skadiz6967
    @skadiz6967 Год назад +15

    Weren't the numidians ethnical berber

    • @chakir348
      @chakir348 Год назад +9

      yeah and this clowns making them like they came from nigeria

  • @thabomuso2575
    @thabomuso2575 Год назад +4

    Had Jughurta simply given his rival a luxurious exile somewhere with some riches, an estate and titles, plus had he saved the Numidians and particularly the Roman citizens, he should have been quite safe.

  • @KaiHung-wv3ul
    @KaiHung-wv3ul Год назад +7

    Jugurtha's decision to massacre the Roman settlers always baffled me, like did he seriously expect the republic to do nothing after thousands of their own citizens got slaughtered by a foreign king, Rome had gone to war for far smaller matters, and while they gave in to bribery previously, that was because it really didn't bother them that much who sat on the Numidian throne, but Jugurtha now just made it personal, and a military response is garanteed.
    Jugurtha doesn't seem like the type to give in to emotions easily, and unlike Mithridates, he wasn't trying to prove a point and incite rebellion in Roman Africa, so why did he do it?

    • @meilinchan7314
      @meilinchan7314 Год назад

      Either he got cocksure that his Roman friends would protect him. Or more likely, like so many cases, Jugurtha lost control - there is only so much that a good commander can do. Moreover, as mentioned, Jugurtha's murder of Hiempsal compromised the respect he commanded from the Numidians, and would no doubt have interefered with his ability to keep his own men in line.
      We will never know what the true story was; all we know was that his actions finally incensed the Romans into attacking and defeating him. As well as ensure that Roman rule would be easier for the Numdians to digest.

  • @manuelacosta9463
    @manuelacosta9463 Год назад +9

    Jugurtha played his cards well. Humble, ruthless political operative and bribery. Lots and lots of bribery and more so since he was wrangling with Rome. That gold sure helped in that case.

    • @isaack2084
      @isaack2084 Год назад

      He was the original middle eastern despot. Bribing the western superpower to stay out of his internal politics while he pursued and killed his rivals only to have to flee and engage in guerilla warfare after a new election.

  • @JRGProjects
    @JRGProjects Год назад +3

    The most corrupt war in Rome
    The most corrupt sponsor in RUclips
    Very fitting 😂

  • @silverchairsg
    @silverchairsg Год назад +15

    Jurgatha makes me think of the Morganites faction in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. They're all about wealth, wealth, wealth and bribing enemies with money. Anyone remember that game?

    • @meatiesogarcia6478
      @meatiesogarcia6478 Год назад

      I was just tinking the other day about buying it to play it again, my old CD is beyond repair.

    • @silverchairsg
      @silverchairsg Год назад

      @@meatiesogarcia6478 You can get it from GOG games.

  • @StickManVS
    @StickManVS Год назад +21

    WE WUZ NUMIDIANZ

    • @scarymonster5541
      @scarymonster5541 Год назад +16

      Numidians weren't black

    • @kot9701
      @kot9701 Год назад +6

      N'SHIEET

    • @michaelweston409
      @michaelweston409 Год назад +6

      We Wuz Kingz

    • @n30escape
      @n30escape 5 месяцев назад +1

      There is barbers all over north Africa in Tunisia Morocco Libya and they're in different skin colour but specifically the Algerian in this case the numidians are people known for their white skin blue eyes and blonde hair

  • @Egg.335
    @Egg.335 Год назад +41

    as a modern day numidian I find it offensive to miss calculate the skin color of the numidian people.

    • @zakariadjouadi1611
      @zakariadjouadi1611 Год назад +7

      He thinks africa is country

    • @Egg.335
      @Egg.335 Год назад +4

      @@zakariadjouadi1611 he almost gave me a heart attack

    • @mrjugurtha4077
      @mrjugurtha4077 Год назад +1

      Me To brother

    • @chamorvenigo
      @chamorvenigo Год назад

      @@zakariadjouadi1611 No better than those who think that Africa as a continent. For a unbiased observer, this world have two major continents: the americas and the euro-asia-africas.
      //Also, the human race has only one race: Africans.

  • @petermills3814
    @petermills3814 Год назад +18

    I've been following your channel & few others since 2016, and I just love all that there is about Roman and other history related to them on this channel here, along with the others from Kings and Generals... love your works! ❤
    We need more vids about Rome's trade with the tribes of Northern Europe & others during its republic & empire + trade with Persia = Parthia & the Sassanids in goings on back then, Arabia and the rest of Northern Eurasia between the Nomadic tribes... that would be great ideas for up next in the near future for Summer projects to make.
    And even one about, did Rome's trade with India actually destroy the empire's economy?
    Because Rome's desires for silks, spices and other previous goods were traded mostly with their own gold & silver coinage and bullion to India, that eventfully dried up over time in just a few centuries since the days of the republic = till the crisis of the 3rd century with the inflations & debasing of their coins... due to shortages, and the mines running dry.
    That situation was never fixed till the Eastern Roman Empire's time under Justinian and after, due to diplomacy in exchange deals between them... and monks stealing silk worms from China in making their own industry of it all back home in the empire.
    Pompey the great's backstory in history from beginning to end = with his campaigns against the Crete pirates + his involvement in Spartacus's late rebellion, the last remains of the Seleucids in the east and the Jewish state of the time.
    As well as Sulla, Crassus and more on Marius too.
    Maybe try this for future vids please Invicta? 👌😎😉
    Thanks again for all your hard work over these many years ongoing! 👍✔ Keep up the great work.

  • @Halcon_Sierreno
    @Halcon_Sierreno Год назад +4

    Rome seems to be the arbiter of disputes when it comes to the internal politics of their neighbors. This reminds me a lot of what happened between Cleopatra and her brother.

  • @andrew.m_b
    @andrew.m_b Год назад +13

    I guess Invicta kinda forgot the Amazigh were north african, and not subsaharan african. Heh, whatever its not like he is presenting a different visualisation of history for the sake of modern diversity concepts. Right Invicta?

    • @arabianmapper6656
      @arabianmapper6656 Год назад

      They looked like that before the vandals

    • @andrew.m_b
      @andrew.m_b Год назад +6

      @@arabianmapper6656 I doubt it. Migrations never do much more than dissolve in the native population. Look at the balkans, culturally diverse and yet genetically still the same as our Indo-European forefathers. No trace of the turkic peoples that ran around during the second century still remains today.

    • @arabianmapper6656
      @arabianmapper6656 Год назад

      @@andrew.m_b well many ppl lived and migrate to North Africa romans vandals greeks arabs the all affected them today Berber don't even look the same for example kabyles looks so different from mzab or touareg
      And i am from north Africa btw

    • @rexblade504
      @rexblade504 Год назад +2

      ​@@arabianmapper6656 even depictions of North Africans from ancient times have their skin color being lighter and no where close to black. Just look at old paintings from Egypt

    • @Jsk06201
      @Jsk06201 11 месяцев назад

      ​​@@arabianmapper6656no, you're not north African. You're rejecting your origins , so you're not north African. You just wanna promote the African-centrisme because you think you're arabe. People like you hate the berbers more than any other race because you want to be an arabe so bad 😅.

  • @mohamedbed8955
    @mohamedbed8955 Год назад +10

    I think that there are some inaccuracies that I have made. Ancient Numidia is North Africa, and it is known that North Africa is a mixture of Arabs and Berbers. Your depiction of the rulers of Numidia as being black has a strange propaganda. Therefore, whoever watches the video should search a little and not be led by the intended fallacies.🇩🇿

    • @RuskiVodkaaaa
      @RuskiVodkaaaa Год назад +5

      Yep, honestly shocked this channel would do this, considering they are incredibly accurate historical channel. Maybe it was an accident (hopefully) but it continues to push the bullshit propaganda that all civilizations in North Africa such as the ancient Egyptians or Numidians were black...it's insulting an literally rewriting history.

  • @mostaphiofthekingjuba8204
    @mostaphiofthekingjuba8204 Год назад +9

    Civilization and the kingdom of Almasilin and the Numidians🇩🇿♓👑

    • @alexla7182
      @alexla7182 11 месяцев назад

      Then arabs came and ruin everything😭

    • @زيغوديوسف-ك6ف
      @زيغوديوسف-ك6ف 11 месяцев назад

      Why do you guys hate Massissil and always talk about Massil only?

    • @aLiiiiiiw
      @aLiiiiiiw Месяц назад

      ​@@alexla7182
      No arabs free the berbers from thw romans

  • @jamiemgr
    @jamiemgr Год назад +1

    Great video! Can't wait for the next 👍

  • @damian_catalin
    @damian_catalin Год назад +13

    They weren't black. Numidians are ancestors of today's berbers, so mediterranean brown-tanned. This is an history channel, stop faking it.

  • @kaleomariz1000
    @kaleomariz1000 Год назад +1

    Ohhh my gosh 😮! What a story. Jugurtha could make a really awesome Netflix series.

  • @theguysal7191
    @theguysal7191 Год назад +28

    King Massinissa in BlackFace.

  • @alienmode-s
    @alienmode-s Год назад +26

    Did whoever draw this ever see a North African person ?

    • @عليياسر-ذ5ب
      @عليياسر-ذ5ب Год назад +4

      ​@@regularperson9801 Someone who has not been to the area

    • @GlurglePop
      @GlurglePop Год назад +2

      @@عليياسر-ذ5ب Hey Ali, yeah it’s tough arguing with people of the “progress” faction. If you aren’t careful you’ll be labeled a racist who is unfit to determine your own ancestry.

    • @عليياسر-ذ5ب
      @عليياسر-ذ5ب Год назад

      @@GlurglePop How can you differentiate between the Greeks, the Middle East, North Africa, Spain and Portugal, they look alike and this is strange

    • @Tropicbay
      @Tropicbay Год назад

      Just an afrocentrist

    • @nicschintee1511
      @nicschintee1511 Год назад +3

      The depiction of Numidians as blacks is so wrong, they looked more like Levantine people and other Iberian tribes from Spain, light skin olive patters specific to Mediterranean region. They were not Ethiopian or sub-Saharan people that were black ffs

  • @Djas_sem
    @Djas_sem Год назад +17

    Just because numidia is in Africa doesn't make it black
    All the characters were portrayed in this video as black
    Numidiains are ethnic amazigh the native population of north Africa and they are known to be fair skinned people
    brown or white

  • @BSBRedAcesTankSquadDriver
    @BSBRedAcesTankSquadDriver Год назад +1

    This video got my attention as soon as i saw the title Jugurthine war because i read couple of comics about Jugurtha

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Год назад +1

    What an excellent video! And a war I knew very little about. ⚔🔥🙌

  • @Leffydht
    @Leffydht Год назад +9

    I'm Algerian and I've had your notification bell on for years and when I saw today's notification I almost couldn't believe it haha

    • @John-pk9rw
      @John-pk9rw Год назад +17

      Same I was happy finally someone is covering Amazigh history, but as soon as it began, yep he blackwashed us

    • @AB-fr2ei
      @AB-fr2ei Год назад +17

      Shame that he is portraying them as Blacks tho

    • @Leffydht
      @Leffydht Год назад +7

      @@John-pk9rw ikr I'm literally as white as a ghost and I have green eyes and amber hair

    • @hakimben8472
      @hakimben8472 Год назад

      Numidian weren't amazigh tho, amazighs didn't even exist by that time.

    • @AB-fr2ei
      @AB-fr2ei Год назад +7

      @@hakimben8472 they were amazigh/berber
      If they werent, then what are they ?

  • @carlramirez6339
    @carlramirez6339 Год назад +2

    "Rome's most corrupt war" --> proceeds to have Raid Shadow Legends ad

  • @fatihk1194
    @fatihk1194 Год назад +3

    It is like strategy games. When the country is small and little to gain with increasing ranks there is less corruption. But when country becames bigger and richer positions of power attracts disloyal men. I think money and riches makes a country open to the corruption. And attract greedy to the politics rather than honest man dont lower themselves to claim power and riches.

  • @waliddrissi8370
    @waliddrissi8370 Год назад +8

    Why make the Numidians as dark skinned ?
    North Africans (ancient or present) aren't black, and i dont think it's a mistake cuz you're already knowledgeable in history, unless if you have an agenda ?

  • @mohamedfaid6706
    @mohamedfaid6706 Год назад

    As algerian i didnt leant too muck about this in school so i want to thank you on behalf of my peopls

  • @mm-ir1ii
    @mm-ir1ii Год назад +16

    Numidians are the predecessors of today's Berber / Amazigh so they were not black,
    other than that great video thanks

  • @DT-lj1wr
    @DT-lj1wr Год назад +2

    I just finished a book on Gaius Marius, perfect timing!

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 Год назад +7

    Maybe I should've bribed the coalition to let rule in peace than have Waterloo Part 2.

  • @davidhughes8357
    @davidhughes8357 Год назад

    Excellent. My friends.

  • @reeyees50
    @reeyees50 Год назад +2

    One of the few wars where Rome was actually the good guy. That Jurgurtine coup were the King was murdered was despicable

  • @Aginor88
    @Aginor88 Год назад

    Interesting as per usual from this channel.

  • @davidlea-smith4747
    @davidlea-smith4747 Год назад +9

    Recommend viewers read 'The first man in Rome' by Colleen McCullough which covers this period beautifully and is very historically accurate.

    • @brettnemecek8388
      @brettnemecek8388 Год назад +2

      I'm currently reading this book! Watching this video I was constantly thinking back to the parallels in the story.

    • @stsk1061
      @stsk1061 Год назад +1

      It's not at all historically accurate, but it's not bad.

  • @tomtaylor5623
    @tomtaylor5623 Год назад +12

    Jugurtha was very clearly a white man, so why are you portraying him as otherwise......

  • @joshportie
    @joshportie Год назад

    The papacy said hold my beer I can top this 1200 years later and beyond.

  • @HellenicWolf
    @HellenicWolf Год назад +1

    Great video man!!!

    • @John-pk9rw
      @John-pk9rw Год назад +2

      He blackwashed Amazighs how is this a great video?

    • @HellenicWolf
      @HellenicWolf Год назад

      @@John-pk9rwexplain, what do you mean? what did he do wrong?

    • @John-pk9rw
      @John-pk9rw Год назад +1

      @@HellenicWolf Are you blind?

    • @scarymonster5541
      @scarymonster5541 Год назад

      @@HellenicWolf he portray north africans being black

  • @countdowntorevolution9986
    @countdowntorevolution9986 Год назад +1

    Interesting background on J's early life and character I'd not heard before.

  • @jonbaxter2254
    @jonbaxter2254 Год назад +1

    Ah, Sulla being a chad once more.

  • @someshtbaglcpl5455
    @someshtbaglcpl5455 Год назад

    Leaving a like and comment to support while I wait for the I editable stitching together if this series into the long form mini docs that I love so much from this channel

  • @starcapture3040
    @starcapture3040 Год назад +25

    Jugurtha wasn't black, all North Africans weren't Black. stop this wok blackwashing of history. Africa is not even an African Word.

    • @Nick-hi9gx
      @Nick-hi9gx Год назад

      Yes it is, it comes from Egyptian. Egyptian is Afro-Asiatic.
      But also agreed, don't change North Africans to black. The Massaeli and Masaesyli both had members of their tribe they referred to as darker, just like there were absolutely black people in Egypt...but they weren't anywhere near the majority skin color.

    • @AB-fr2ei
      @AB-fr2ei Год назад

      ​@@Nick-hi9gx the word africa come from the ifri berber tribe
      Also afro-asiatic is a language family mainly present in MENA, what do this has to do blacks ?

    • @starcapture3040
      @starcapture3040 Год назад

      @@Nick-hi9gx it comes from the Meddle east, a sematic Phoenician word for land of hot dust or caves. and by that they meant only what is today Modern Tunisia. the land mass was called Libya.

    • @Nick-hi9gx
      @Nick-hi9gx Год назад

      @@starcapture3040 You...literally combined two different etymological sources that are contended. BTW, the Semitic languages are...Afro...Asiatic.

    • @lcplapiata5501
      @lcplapiata5501 Год назад

      ​@@starcapture3040 so they would have looked like darker Assyrians since the phonicians integrated with the Numibians who were black lol.

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE Год назад +1

    Good video as always thanks

    • @John-pk9rw
      @John-pk9rw Год назад +2

      He blackwashed Amazighs how is this a good video?

    • @-RONNIE
      @-RONNIE Год назад

      @@John-pk9rw all due respect good or bad information is informative and appreciated by the people running Channel & this is how people learn from our past mistakes

    • @SithStudy
      @SithStudy Год назад

      @@-RONNIE this wasn't a mistake, it was a calculated lie.

  • @loreno7774
    @loreno7774 Год назад +12

    Ah yes, the not well-known war Rome fought against the Masai

  • @leovanimazighen7342
    @leovanimazighen7342 Год назад +1

    d agellid jugerthen = the king jugurtha we still talk the language of our ancestors .;) viva imazighen

  • @jakeg3733
    @jakeg3733 Год назад +1

    Ah yes, Brogurtha, scourge of the Broman Republic. And he loved wearing Cheetah skin for clothing

  • @ThoriberoCaroli
    @ThoriberoCaroli Год назад +2

    Guess I'll be that guy... XP
    6:16 Scipio, with a "k" sound. Like in scorpion.

    • @sarkedev
      @sarkedev Год назад +1

      "Sipio" is the accepted English pronunciation, while "Skipio" is the classical Latin pronunciation. ruclips.net/video/xiIh0q479Ck/видео.html

    • @ThoriberoCaroli
      @ThoriberoCaroli Год назад

      ​@@sarkedev Well, I'll stand corrected. Learned something new today. :)
      I will blame my thinking that the English speaking world acutally prounounced the c on Rome Total War.
      ruclips.net/video/yXvb35a2Cj8/видео.html&ab_channel=Totalwarfan454
      Though I still claim the English pronounciation and spelling of Latin names overall is inconsistent and should be discouraged! XP
      Like saying Marcus Aurelius, but not Marcus Antonius (instead Antony for some Shakesperian reason...)
      And like Metatron says in the video, "because we are talking about a republican time, and I feel that classical pronuanciation is closer to how what the Romans actually did pronounce things at the time".
      So, I'll accept that there is another accepted standard, but I'll stand firm in considering it to be worse than other standards. ^^
      Like I accept there is the Imperial unit system, while I think metric is better. ;)
      Apologies for the wall of text. X)
      And thank you for the correction. :)

  • @mostaphiofthekingjuba8204
    @mostaphiofthekingjuba8204 Год назад

    Nice channel to show history👍🏽🇩🇿♓❤

  • @silvershadchan4085
    @silvershadchan4085 Год назад +3

    @Invicta could you please make a video about The Cimbrian War - Rome’s Most Corrupt War (113BC - 101BC) Documentary

  • @JUGURTHA-TMZGH
    @JUGURTHA-TMZGH Год назад +8

    Why are the Numidians portrayed as black? IS wrong

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Год назад +1

    Well gee, I never would have seen this coming
    It's almost like Rome had a corruption problem basically from day one that everyone chose to do nothing about

  • @anthonybird546
    @anthonybird546 Год назад +2

    Well, you see, you don't get the benefit of the whole province if you just have Carthage. Also it's really soothing to see the map go all red, sssssssooooooo... 🤷

  • @HajiTech-or3pf
    @HajiTech-or3pf 7 месяцев назад +1

    Bribery at its peak

  • @somestormcloakwithanarrowo4671
    @somestormcloakwithanarrowo4671 Год назад +2

    I believe Kings and Generals also made a video about this, nevertheless it's always fun to see boxes fight

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 Год назад +3

    Jugurtha literally swam in money and refused to die lol

  • @kobiglisson
    @kobiglisson Год назад +1

    Would be cool to get a series on ancient armies that were destroyed during battle or legions that were wiped out completely

    • @worsethanjoerogan8061
      @worsethanjoerogan8061 Год назад

      This channel has several videos about the Varian Disaster at Teutoberg Forest

    • @kobiglisson
      @kobiglisson Год назад

      @@worsethanjoerogan8061 meant more like the disappearance of the ninth legion or the lost army of Cambyses that kind of stuff … but that is close too

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 Год назад +15

    Is there a war in Roman history that isn’t corrupt? I mean they’re all pretty much naked grabs of wealth, power and land.
    Except maybe some of the defensive wars.

    • @petermills3814
      @petermills3814 Год назад +3

      Marcus Aurelius? = both the Parthians & Germanic tribes had invaded the empire, so him and his brother & generals had to counterattack against them in their own territories for defence.
      When Attila invaded the West in the 450s AD = the Western Roman empire combined forces with other allied barbarian kingdoms to fight in defence against a common greater enemy for their very survival.
      BTW; That's every nation & people in human history for you, going from freedom fighters overthrowing kings & tyrant governments for democracy, to eventfully becoming empires themselves down the line, all but name... just ask Carthage.
      The Roman Republic was an empire all but name, just fat merchant elite senatorial militant nobility without a crown = dressed in togas... rule of few.
      Like Eldia & Marley from Attack on Titan = it's always about money + resources, control + power, ego & dominance in absolutes when it comes to greed & ambitions... sad but painful truth to reality... it just switches places & factions afterwards = from one dictatorship to another.
      Halo 3 Arbiter: You traded one villain, for another.
      509 BC + 480 BC + 431 BC + 334 BC + 264 BC + 218 BC + 149 BC + many others in Rome's wars... and others in 1066 + 1096 + 1204 + 1754 + 1776 + 1812 + 1826 + 1836 + 1861 + 1914 + 1939 AD + cold war + Gulf war + 2001 + 2022 & more countless in endless cycles to come.
      When does it end?
      Achilles: It never ends.
      Fallout # War, war never changes... meaning, basic motivations.
      The weapons change, but the objectives remains the same.
      There are more offensive wars than defensive ones in all of human history... because it's cheaper going out and gaining than defending expensively.

    • @riograndedosulball248
      @riograndedosulball248 Год назад

      Most of the early republic ones

  • @niccolorichter1488
    @niccolorichter1488 Год назад +4

    THe map is very wrong , Jogurtha actualy ruled the western part while Adherbal the Eastern part . Sallust claims that Jogurthas western part was richer but that is bulcrap , Adherbal actaualy had the more urbanized and more populated part of the kindom

  • @aintnoslice3422
    @aintnoslice3422 Год назад +18

    don't know why you made the Numidians black. They were North African/Berber. Don't bastardise their history to placate racial narcissists.

    • @chillin5703
      @chillin5703 Год назад +3

      The only racial narcissists are all of the people whining that North Africans are depicted as having skin colors in range with North Africa, because those colors happen to be on the darker end of things. I seldom see these people complaining when the North Africans are all pale, even though this is similarly innacurate.

    • @aintnoslice3422
      @aintnoslice3422 Год назад

      @@chillin5703 What barstardisation of history are you retelling? North Africans - specifically in this case Berbers - being Mediterranean, do have a variety of skin tones from lighter complexions to darker ones, BUT NOT black. Not Sub-Saharan African - history isn't going to barstardise itself to your modern political agenda.
      The racial narcissists here are the ones who are constantly claiming other people's histories and culture as their own and demand they be represented in everything (and not only that but be centered) whether are not they were actually there. They've done this for the Egyptians, Moors, Israelites, Native Americans, Carthaginians, European nobility, you name it. All it seems to show is that they have no culture of their own to be proud of they have to steal others.

  • @vitorpereira9515
    @vitorpereira9515 Год назад +3

    Next one should be the Dacian wars or Cimbrian war.

  • @flansable
    @flansable Год назад +3

    Why is Jugurtha black? Amazigh people’s are olive skinned innit, same as everyone else in the Mediterranean

  • @luzonait1291
    @luzonait1291 Год назад +1

    nice video covering one of the famous characters in north Africa ancient history after Hannibal and syphax and massinissa, although by Sallust the mother of Jugurtha wasn't a prostitute , but a concubine for the Numidian Prince

  • @duneydan7993
    @duneydan7993 Год назад +5

    I remember reading an old comics named Jugurtha about the nubian prince!
    I had no idea he existed!

    • @ao-ww1qh
      @ao-ww1qh Год назад +5

      Numidian not Nubian

  • @Juel92
    @Juel92 Год назад

    Roman corruption is such a good subject to touch on.

  • @christopherg2347
    @christopherg2347 Год назад +1

    The two most dangerous and powerful jobs in roman times:
    - king
    - successful general

  • @pocoloco-sr1cu
    @pocoloco-sr1cu 11 месяцев назад

    I think this war is the main reason why the Romans won the Cimbri Wars. The difference of training, discipline, and ferocity from the conscripted legionaries to the Marian reforms changed Roman military prowess permanently

  • @kapitan19969838
    @kapitan19969838 Год назад

    It is a glorious thing to sub for Rome!

  • @Kadzarde
    @Kadzarde Год назад +33

    i still didn't why you always refers to numidians and another berber kingdoms as blacks just look at king's jugurtha coin to see how his face

    • @John-pk9rw
      @John-pk9rw Год назад +25

      There are literally statues and coins depicting them as white people yet he depicts them as black Congoids. His argument: “it’s Africa bro”. But at the same time we can’t really blame him because he went to school in USA where they think Africa is a country instead of a continent with many different races

    • @Kadzarde
      @Kadzarde Год назад

      @@John-pk9rw yeah that's sad to see people seek to falsify our history.

    • @Nick-hi9gx
      @Nick-hi9gx Год назад +19

      The team is umm...mostly very opinionated on modern socio-political topics and several of them have an exceedingly hard time keeping their biases from their historical research.

    • @Nick-hi9gx
      @Nick-hi9gx Год назад +1

      @@John-pk9rw Jesus christ imagine using "Congoid" to refer to a skin color. That is so disgustingly racist.

    • @AB-fr2ei
      @AB-fr2ei Год назад

      American are idiots that think everyone on Africa is black
      Even tho africa is a berber word in origin and not even from SSA origin

  • @nunoamaro6518
    @nunoamaro6518 Год назад +5

    Why do you show numidians as black when they were white?

  • @barbados3592
    @barbados3592 Год назад

    Rome had a tendencies to make war with anyone neighboring her and making allies of that neighbors enemies. and when that neighbor fell and the allies became neighbors, war would inevitably repeat the process.

  • @samdumaquis2033
    @samdumaquis2033 Год назад +1

    Very interesting

  • @TheVineOfChristLives
    @TheVineOfChristLives Год назад +2

    I asked ChatGPT what kind of prison would Jugurtha be facing in the 21st century for his roman crimes in the United States. Here’s the response:
    As an AI language model, I cannot provide an exact sentence for Jugurtha, as the charges he would face in a hypothetical 21st century United States would depend on the specific laws and statutes in place at the time. However, based on similar charges in previous cases, the aggregate prison time for the crimes listed in the sample indictment might be:
    Murder: Depending on the jurisdiction and specific circumstances of the crime, murder can carry a sentence of 10 years to life imprisonment or the death penalty.
    Bribery: Bribery is typically classified as a felony offense and can carry significant prison time and fines. In some cases, individuals convicted of bribery have been sentenced to 5-10 years in prison.
    War Crimes: War crimes are considered serious offenses under international law, and individuals convicted of such crimes can face life imprisonment or the death penalty.
    Human Rights Violations: Depending on the severity of the human rights violations, individuals convicted of such crimes may face lengthy prison sentences ranging from 10 years to life imprisonment.
    Overall, based on similar charges in previous cases, it is possible that Jugurtha could face a sentence of several decades or even life imprisonment, depending on the severity of the charges and the discretion of the judge and jury responsible for sentencing.

    • @michaelweston409
      @michaelweston409 Год назад +2

      Good thing he was born 2000 years before international law then lol

    • @TheVineOfChristLives
      @TheVineOfChristLives Год назад

      @@michaelweston409 but interesting they let him starve in prison. A bit barbaric for them even. Goes to show what lengths they’ll go for public figures.

    • @renkov9840
      @renkov9840 Год назад +1

      King Jugurtha sure is based

  • @StoicHistorian
    @StoicHistorian Год назад +4

    Poor Jugurtha

    • @John-pk9rw
      @John-pk9rw Год назад +7

      Imagine 2200 years after your death people blackwash you

  • @davidhughes8357
    @davidhughes8357 Год назад

    Thank you. INVICTA is the commander in chief. I'm a loyal follower!

  • @dritzzdarkwood4727
    @dritzzdarkwood4727 Месяц назад

    This is described so vivid in the book series, The Masters of Rome, by Colleen McCullough. An intensely entertaining experience, please read them!

  • @yemirz
    @yemirz Год назад +10

    He wasn’t black wtf

  • @lupo1thewolf
    @lupo1thewolf Год назад

    Oooh finally! The "bellum iugurthinum" is even an enjoyable piece of work. Being divided in three chapters with three protagonists each with a personal vice that plagues the outcome of the war. Go read it!

  • @RemusKingOfRome
    @RemusKingOfRome Год назад

    Excellent - needs to be game.

  • @sumaridesfree
    @sumaridesfree Год назад +7

    why does jugurta a numidian look like an african american?

  • @bobholly3843
    @bobholly3843 Год назад +2

    Just goes to show how wealthy North Africa was at the time