As a disabled person it meant a lot that during her statement Britney mentioned many people who are disabled who suffer under guardians and conservatorships. This is more than just a one off case. This is a disability rights issue. We deserve autonomy. We deserve to be as independent as we can. We should have our civil rights recognized and respected. The things Britney wants sound far too familiar to me and that enrages me. Thank you so much for talking about how this is a disability rights issue. Before my grandmother died she made sure to set up a Special needs trust as my mother had also passed. It has its ups and downs but it is a million miles better than a conservatorship.
@@autumnconway9489 That was the part that almost made me cry. Because she didn't have to mention that. She could have acted like her situation is unique. The fact that she did mention it and seems to understand that it's not a one off further proves in my mind she has a sharp mind and is more than competent.
@@7ess1a or she went alone with it for 13 years because when she tried to fight it she was institutionalized against her will, drugged, and denied the right to see her children.
There's no way she would've won ,if she harmed herself then it would've been "the crazy girl we warned you about". She is alive but suffers slavery treatment basically.
It says it all that the conservatorship had no power over what she did w/her kids. It had no such powers and after she lost them by her own undoing in the first place, never prioritized them in the ensuring years and in fact, handed over 70% custody to Kevin during the conservatorship & of her own free will Just like she could have sought to regain more custody if she was unhappy w/any custody payments she agreed to but she chose not to. Instead, what she's done is take to SM to bad mouth her kid's father, something no parent should ever do, let alone publicly and especially the responsible one who stepped up to the plate to ensure their kids were in a stable environment. She should be grateful he's been a good father to their kids instead of distracting away from her own irresponsible actions & behavior. Take a gander at her postings w/dog excrement on her floors in her postings! Anyone who thinks there's nothing wrong w/this picture is just another enabler. There's nothing compassionate about looking the other way when it comes to mental illness, nor does it send the right message that it's too taboo to even entertain!
Her 2008 breakdown was likely due in part to the fact that she had had two babies in two years, was postpartum (and needed meds. No shame there.) and was married to an idiot. The fact that they are still holding it over her head 13 years later is insane!
Not to mention her kids had been taken from her sooooo. What happens when a woman has had 2 kids in 2 years and then given to thier dad whomalso did not do any favours for her.
I believe she got post depression due to her 2 births of Kidz, her idol ex hubby & insane media that chasing her up & down... She have grownups which older than me 2 years... When we are young, we are easy be influenced by bad peeps but after giving birth to kids, getting older & older... The mindsets will grownups & need privacy... Her family just treat her by cash cows for all their luxury spending... I'm highly suspect that the previous judge was somehow corrputed with her brand records/ her father...
I'm not particularly interested in celebrity however, the idea of a person having their liberty taken away while being forced to work and pay her 'captors'.. it is wrong on so many levels. To say she is suffering is an understatement. What she's suffered for 13 years is terrible.
Same. I grew up with Britney and all the other pop bands but I have never been a "Stan" (nothing against her, just the music). However, this affects the entire nation. Conservatorships, and even ones as restrictive as hers, are not new or rare. What Britney said is 100% correct; there are MILLIONS of people in conservatorships. Some are perfectly reasonable and being executed properly and do protect people, but there are so many that are being abused. There's such minimal and poor court oversight, and like Leeja said, these conservatees almost never even get to see a courtroom. In most cases, the filings are completed in a matter of minutes with only the petitioner and their attorney present. There's _supposed_ to be regular check ups and heavy oversight, but the reality is that, there isn't. Courts take the word of the petitioner(s) and move on, because they're just "too busy" to deal with conservatorships vs the rest of the criminal cases. Things NEED to change.
@@Amarianee the global pressure in this case is pushing the need to review this case, therefore the system. This tragedy and the world watching can’t be ignored. This is “legal abuse”. No one likes it (except the few that profit).
Same! I was never into celeb stuff til 2011 when I heard about this. It's happened to a few other celebrities, which made me start research it like crazy and now I'm all about celeb stuff cuz a lot of their lives are MESSED UP by the same team of people who did this to Britney, led by Lou M Taylor, who tried to do it to Lindsay Lohan first, and Mr. Lohan called her out in a press conference and told her to stay the h*ll away from his family. Then Lou moved onto Britney who has a father psychopathic enough to do it.
Britney is literally just a normal fucking woman with a lot of talent who has been completely abused. She's not an idiot, she's not "psycho", she just had a psychological episode like 15 years ago. Let her BE.
Even if she does struggle with mental health issues, she doesn't deserve this. You can't actively recover from trauma like this while being put through it.
I've always wondered.. She shaved her head so she must have mental breakdown... What? If i shave my head does it mean i have mental breakdown? My hair, my decision.. She got mad at paparazzis harassing her.. Well i would too.. Doesn't mean i have mental problems.. Means i want some privacy and not to be harassed.. 🤔
@@charlie0000 when i was young my mum told me she'd shaved it off as she had caught headlice and the extensions meant she couldnt treat it and the itching got too much. i fully doubt thats true but institutionalising someone because they shave their head for whatever reason is baffling. its not even self harm like how is altering her apperance bad....oh no wait it ruined the brand her parents wanted to portray.... and im for her smashing that paps car up tbh, like worse case should have been seen as smth she has to pay to fix
The worst part of it for me which is confirmed by Jaime's lawyer in the documentary is that somehow she formally agreed to the original conservatorship because her father was holding seeing the kids over her head. Heart breaking stuff.
I have no doubt that that's true, but I think she did actually need it. She was also told it would only be temporary, which leads me to believe that she originally agreed in good faith. She was very clearly in a dark place and needed help, and likely thought that's what she was getting. Instead, her dad turned around and made in permanent the next day, without her consent (which was completely legal). She agreed to a temporary fix, and got blindsided by the person she trusted to help her. The worst part, is that the hearing to make it permanent didn't involve her at all and likely only took about 10mins to complete. Since her temporary one deemed her "incapacitated," it was just a matter of Jamie and his lawyer checking a new box, presenting it to the judge, and getting the approval. And just like that, her constitutional rights vanished.
Yeah, she needed time away from the spotlight to heal and recover from whatever was going on. I mean a good 5 to 10 years. She was doped up and thrown on stage and album cycles barely a year or two within her break down.
I don’t think he was threatening that he would take them away, I think he was more so threatening that if she didn’t fix her shit she wouldn’t get to see them and her family wouldn’t step in to help. It’s important to remember she was incredibly unstable back then. He didn’t have the power as a grand parent before the conservatorship to say if she couldn’t see her kids, that was on Kevin and the courts back then.
@@MikeOfMichigan What a kind alcoholic father that wasn't around when she was growing up and put himself in control of her millions. Britney wasn't unstable. She had ENOUGH. She was sick of being man handled and having papparazzi in her face wherever she went. She wanted a break which nobody would give her. She never agreed to it, even Britney's original lawyer said that.
I agree. It should not be legal and binding for someone to agree to anything while being forced with the threat of not being able to see her children. This is pure duress!!!! NO one should used her children as pawns to make her do anything. It is disgusting!
Britney spoke so clearly, to the point, intelligently. If anyone believes that those were the words of an incapacitated person, they need urgent help. There is a special place in hell for that "father" of hers.
Not to mention the doctors and lawyers who helped him that should all lose their licenses’ and her management team, who should never be able to work in business again, not even just Hollywood. If they’d abuse her they’d abuse anyone else they’re supposed to work with.
well said. she is very intelligent and she used to try to speak out against the MK Ultra-like mind control used on her but the powers that be have her right where they want her. tied up and abused. i wish she could run away and be free.
if you listen to the testimony there are a couple parts where she is so flustered and filled with anxiety about FINALLY talking about what she has been through the past 13 years that she stumbles over her words or starts talking super fast, It broke my heart, because it just shows JUST HOW OFTEN she gets talked over or cut off but she DEFINITELY killed it and was articulate as HELL for squeezing 13 years of trauma into a 20min testimony
She's on her meds but once she gets her freedom, she will go off her meds so she can get pregnant from her unemployed mooching leeching boyfriend. remember, when people who have mental health issues after being on meds for so long come to a certain point sometimes that they feel since they "feel better" they no longer feel they need medication. But ya, let her get her freedom and watch her money dwindle from the real moocher
What stuck out to me, in the transcript of her statement that I read, was how her visitation with her kids was held hostage if she didn't do the tour or the Vega shows or an interview or go to an appointment or whatever. That's just sick. Of course she's going to do whatever they say to see them. It just really is upsetting.
Exactly what I've been screaming about for months. This would never happen to a male celebrity in the same situation. It happens to men only when they are older and then they are taken advantage of.
This poor girl. Britney is gonna be 40 years old. If she wants out...let her out. If she wants to blow her money and screw up her life...LET HER...!!! And the whole thing sounds like Scientology
I don’t care how “crazy” a judge or court thinks a conservatee is, if there are these kind of serious allegations being brought forward, there should be an IMMEDIATE in depth investigation and temporarily give power of conservatorship to someone else until the investigation can be completed. I know the law doesn’t always seem right, but at the end of the day there needs to be room for common sense and compassion. How the court could have overlooked those allegations and turned a blind eye to the obvious conflicts of interests is beyond me.
Do you realise that there is an court appointed independent trustee and Co conservator? Her dad can't make any decisions without it being jointly approved. The Trustee and the Co conservator are already involved in all decisions. For example the decision to put her on medication was a joint decision. Britney was bitching about Jody the Co Conservator but she is an independent appointment. There are safeguards already in place. Her dad doesn't solely make the decisions and the court appointed people are already in place.
@@almac9203 @Al mac you have clearly not been following the case, or understand the current paperwork on file. The only co-conservator was JUST appointed in the last hearing, and for the estate only. The recent filing by Bessemer Trust (yesterday or the day before) was the actual approval for them to formally take over as co-conservator, with equal power. While they were appointed at the last hearing, their power did not take effect immediately. They have a LOT of records to go through now to verify any improper use of funds, and depending on that outcome, they might actually be able to take over as sole conservator. Jaime is still the primary conservator of her person, Jodi is, legally, only a temp. That means that, anything Britney wants to do, literally ANYTHING (even as miniscule as making a phone call) has to be approved by him first. There's no joint approval required for her person, atm. Before his hospitalization, there never was, since he's always been primary. He has legally had absolute control over everything she does, or doesn't do, for 13 years. Check court filings before you make assumptive statements. The ones pertaining to your inaccuracies are public record.
@@Amarianee no you are wrong. Andrew Waller was a Co conservator until he resigned. Jodi is currently a Co conservator and has just as much a say as Britneys dad and Britney has applied for her to be permanent. The decisions are jointly undertaken. You are also wrong about the independent trustee as well. They have been part of this for since 2019. The court case was because her father objected to them having power regarding her finances so it went to court. He argued that the trust was taking away his power to make decisions. BTW the court decision was in February not a few days ago as you asserted.
@@almac9203 you're wrong. Andrew Wallet was actually her attorney. And Bessemer was only approved a few days ago because Jamie's lawyer would always postpone delivering the required paperwork. Bessemer hasn't even started their work yet.
@@YgorCortes why do you comment on things you clearly know nothing about? Here is a quote on Andrew Wallet: Since 2008, Britney Spears has been under a legally mandated conservatorship that grants her father, Jamie, and a co-conservator control of her business and financial decisions. Until 2019, that co-conservator was attorney Andrew Wallet. www.bustle.com/entertainment/who-is-andrew-wallet-britney-spears-co-conservator Here is a quote on Bessemer Trust: In November, the judge in the case declined to remove Jamie, but added Bessemer Trust as a co-conservator and corporate fiduciary. At Thursday’s hearing, Jamie lost his bid to retain the power to delegate investment powers for the estate. The judge, Brenda J Perry, denied his request, reaffirming that Jamie and Bessemer Trust remain co-conservators with equal authority. Notice the words Reaffirming that Jamie and Bessemer Trust REMAIN Co- Conservators with equal authority. In his court submission, Jamie Spears stated that he objected to the proposed management arrangement with Bessemer, arguing that it reduced the power he's held for years in the case. www.theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/10/britney-spears-conservatorship-court-hearing-los-angeles
The most insidious thing about trying to prove that you can take care of yourself and no longer need conservatorship is the conservatorship _makes_ you unable to take care of yourself. Finances, decision making, etc. are skills, and to have a skill you have to train it and maintain your abilities. And while you're under conservatorship you don't get to do either, so even if you had some basic self management skills before the conservatorship, you forget how to use them, and you knowledge gets outdated, which means the longer the conservatorship lasts, the less you are able to take care of yourself. Which is pretty scary. The whole system looks tailored to enable abuse of power.
While you're whole post is totally accurate, the first sentence summed it all up. The conservatee can't pick their own attorney (for the afore mentioned reason) and even a court appointed one rarely wants to go through the financial and laborious effort of an uphill battle to petition an end. Since the conservatee can't actually do anything to prove their mental capacity, without a zealous lawyer, that right there cripples them. Then it's just downhill from there.
I think what she has working on her side si that she has been working this whole time and as part of her career she definitelly manages dancer sand other people, so to some extent you cannot say she is unable to make decisions for herself if she is managing others in a career. She's obviously able.
IMO the most natural thing would be if they had to prove regularly that she still needs the conservatorship. Innocent until proven guilty? Apparently not in these cases.
i’m on disability for mental illness have no clue how to take care of myself financially because my mom controls it and im 32 and my depression just gets worse it sucks so bad
This whole thing reminds me of a story my mom told me about her time in nursing school in the 60s. Day 1 a female patient comes running down the hall, stark naked and giggling. Turns out she was committed to the hospital decades earlier when she was 18 or so because she wouldn't marry the man her father wanted her to marry. By the time my mom met her, due to the horrid way psych patients were treated at the time, that poor woman had many mental health issues. Both situations make my skin crawl with how unfairly the women were treated.
Meanwhile, Kanye West is just out there, living his best crazy life. "Female Hysteria" was removed as a medical diagnosis, but in reality, people just came up with new creative ways to deem women crazy and incapacitated. 🤮 (*And where's Charlie Sheen's, Alec Baldwin's or Shia Labeouf's conservatorships, hm?)
@@Amarianee hysteria wasnt really removed its still covered by conversion disorder and other somatic disorders, which is still applied to many chronically ill people even if you have a physical diagnosis to explain your symptoms
That's what their all doing makeing her keep working to support their bank accounts! It's not really being asked anything of her thoughts on anything! It's very shady! Their spending her money not truely helping her! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Imagine the system in place to help get someone stable to manage their lives again after a break down is the exact system that causes a further breakdown. This system failed her more than once. She is forced to pay people to f her over. so much more to say but we all know it already.
When I heard how FAST she was talking while delivering her statement all I could think of was “this is a scared girl who has been intimidated” I have been there! When you’re terrified and threatened you’re always on edge and always feel you have to talk fast to get all of your words out before someone shuts you down! I feel so terrible for her!! I really hope she gets to be free of this conservatorship!!! She may need help but I doubt she needs someone holding her hand with everything! She just needs someone she can count on to be there for her and let her live her life!!!
Imagine having the hardest mental breakdown of your life and everyone making fun of you for it. And then your kids get taken away. And then YOUR own family uses you for YOUR hard earned money. Imagine having no say in how you live your life and people using your mental status (which is under control and being treated) as a way to prevent you from living your life. Just imagine. FREE BRITNEY
Look at all the homeless people with mental health issues. The courts could care less. But Britney, well she is loaded so the court has to intervene. What a joke. The criteria being used to deem Brit unfit is highly questionable. Her civil rights are being trampled on. The legal system is completely failing in Britney's case.
It was her family that brought it to the court’s attention not the other way around. The legal system may not be perfect but it’s what we have! And is always changing btw. Without some type of Law & Order we’d have anarchy and chaos! People just saying and doing whatever, wherever, to whomever… consequences be damned because there would be none! Yea that’s sounds fantastic!
Please keep in mind that every facet of our legal system, including every body of Government is a corporate structure, they are called Municipal Corporations. Their jobs are not to ensure the safety and well-being of people who reside within their structures and protect them against enemies foreign and domestic, their jobs are to trick tax payers in to believing things of great magnitude and of great concern to justify more ways to increase taxes and further justify the ongoing fluxes of taxes that support their own payrolls by using the increasing numbering game while planting seeds, like ideas, that make people willing to pay more and more taxes without ever turning, over throwing, the government. This thing with Britney has prongs and the pronged approach, much like copying fashion trends and styles from Britney, opens up more opportunities for family members across the board that are jealous and envy of those within their own families that may be talented and successful, to gain power and control over things they themselves never had to work for. The United States is nothing more than a testing ground for pure ignorance. The easiest way to cause a mental illness is to beat someone in the head a few times, then go to court and make them incapacitated.
It's just insane to me that the reason for her conservatorship was "dementia". My grandma has dementia. So did my grandpa before he passed. It might be difficult to detect at first but it's degenerative. If she had dementia for 13 years she would not be able to speak so coherently, perform, go on tv, etc. It seems to me that she had an episode of bipolar mania back in '07, or some similar mental illness. As a person with bipolar, this is just super scary. I'm so glad my family gave me loving support during my breakdowns, and that I didn't have the public mocking me. There were times in my life that I was not capable of caring for myself or making rational decisions but I was given familial love and psychiatric help and I'm now a fully functioning member of society. So Britney's case really gets to me on a personal level.
She wouldn't even HAVE dementia for 13 years. The average life span after diagnosis of dementia is 7 years. She very obviously does NOT have dementia. How utterly absurd and ridiculous. It's almost unheard of for people her age to have dementia, and she certainly isn't one of the exceptions who does
Her family are afraid that if they lose the conservatorship, they will stay broke, because i am sure Britney will neved talk to them again anx they will have to work for themselves.
I hope she gets free and sues back every penny out of each person that has enriched on her !!!! Because even if she would get free right now, they have stolen so much time money and “life” from her Her past is gone and her future is fucked up 😖😖☹️
Let’s be honest we all know her family has lived off of her, her entire career. I’m sure she has been abused and gaslighted her entire life. More than 13 years. #FREEBRITNEY
5:49 Im shocked there isn't automatic medical reevaluations for the duration of a conservatorship. Given how many rights/freedoms you lose in this arrangement, there needs to be significant, continuing justification to warrant it. Given the justification would be dependent on current circumstance, I don't see how you could claim a valid justification without periodically reevaluation the current circumstances.
There's supposed to be, but when the conservator has the right to pick the doctors, unless someone petitions for court appointed/impartial physicians, you're working with a stacked deck.
Funny considering they are constantly reviewing the condition of people who are permanently disabled and receiving disability benefits. It's almost as if the system is designed to line the pockets of the most powerful people.
I have been to court recently and had to speak to a judge about a restraining order and the abuse I was going through. I had said that I was more afraid getting the RO than not (now I’m glad I did it). And I was right-even with the order he was worse than before it. I was speaking fast and with a shaky voice because I was terrified that I would forget important details and that no one would not believe me- allowing this person to be with me even though I was worried I would end up dead. You can hear her voice shaking because she is so scared to say this, KNOWING she has more to be scared of after doing what she knows she needs to do. She has to deal with her team after exposing them to the world. My heart goes out to her and i sincerely hope that her speech being made public helps her. She deserves her life. This poor woman.
Absolutely, so brave and such a terrifying thing to do!! Good for you for being able to talk to a judge about that, I do some pro bono work helping people get restraining orders and man it is not easy for anyone
It’s very normal to be scared when speaking to a judge. She seems like she’s reading something she’s written. That’s very common with both unrepresented people and baby lawyers.
It blows my mind that there was never a plan to rehabilitate her or to make her more independent. There was never a plan to help her improve. They just wanted to keep her in this permanently dependent situation. But she can make millions on tour and release albums and fragrances which is crazy.
Everyone is saying "Lucky" or "Overprotected" is scary - but, I'm with you - she's being treated like a CIRCUS ANIMAL. This makes the entire album, ESP the song Circus, so fucking scary to me. What an absolute public humiliation move from her team. "All eyes on me in the center of the ring just like a circus." SICK!
She also intentionally wanted to be filmed in an animal cage during the music video because that's how she felt (I don't think Jamie allowed it but she talked to the director about it)
The scary thing is Lucky was literally her second album. It's like we was feeling the pressure and control even back then. No wonder she went off the rails so so severely. She was controlled from being a child, she was suffering from a divorce, probably PND and excessive pressure from consistent harassment from the paparazzi. Who wouldn't snap under the pressure? It doesn't mean she is still in the same state of mind now. Even if she has bipolar, set on by that distress, many people live normal lives with the appropriate medication. There is no reason why Britney needs this level of control 13 years later..
weird to think she was in this conservatorship when she was on the x-factor. If you watch those episodes she's competely sane, competent and capable adult. no idea why she'd be in a conservatorship.
@@NCarreira I kinda get what you mean,, always felt that she has been a victim of the worst parts of the industry and to play judge and encourage more innocent performers to chase their dreams by entering that same industry… I might be reading too much into it but I thought she saw herself in them, when she was just starting out and hadn’t had the worst of it yet
@@cj2130 probably the only time was that ONE TIME 14 years ago. It's sickening how they used one (absolutely understandable) breakdown to deprive her of her basic rights.
She was a slave ever since her parents decided it was okay for her to be a child star. It started out so wholesome. Then, she was a prisoner as an adult. It's so fking dumb. I hate it
What kind of evaluation does a conservatee have to go through to prove what? That you can dress yourself, eat, pay your bills, buy groceries.and follow a schedule? It’s hard to believe Britney wouldn’t be able to care for herself. She seems eloquent, good memory and her statement made a lot of sense to me. She wants to live her life. Have a family. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist, or do you? Also mistakes are normal. I do them every day!
She is evaluated by a psychiatrist. They assess her psychological state and write a report to the court. She obviously has not satisfied the court appointed medical experts that she is of sound mind.
@@almac9203 they're not court appointed, they're court "approved," which only means that they're certified medical professionals. Jamie is the one who picked the psychiatrists. Without someone actually petitioning for a court APPOINTED psych, they take the word of the conservator. Her second eval, after the original petition, might have been court appointed, but that was 13yrs ago when she very likely was not mentally well enough to take care of herself. She's had extensive therapy and medication in that time, so there's sufficient reason to believe, especially with her recent statement, that there's been significant improvement since then. However, when her dad is the one filing paperwork with his cronies backing up his claims that she's still "incapacitated," no one is batting an eye; and unless there's actual proof of collision or that he's paying anyone off, it's all completely legal.
@@Amarianee exactly if you wave enough money in front of someone and the ullure of treating a hot celebrity you can get someone to say almost anything. Plus she definitely has some mental health issues but it doesn't look like they've helped her but made it worse to justify their actions 😭
@@Amarianee OMG, what a great and thorough response. Thank you for taking the time to explain. Now, it makes a lot of sense. It’s a “legal vicious cycle”. And -just like Britney didn’t know she can appeal to end the c-ship- it will take a miracle for her to be told what you just explained. Unless … maybe her boyfriend starts helping her? Ughhhh…. Thank you so much! 🙏
Being a disabled woman in America, this scares me and makes me cry. My mom is someone who was severely mentally ill. Misdiagnosed and lived her life in fear. I’ve grown up with lupus and had to learn how to be independent and dependent at the same time. I’m almost 30 and I’m terrified I won’t ever be able to live a life on my own terms completely since I’m dependent. And I don’t have any type of conservatorship yet I can relate. I’m just lucky my family didn’t do this to me or my mom. And don’t even get me started on the misogyny and sexism towards disabled women specifically both in heterosexual relationships and in everyday life. It’s maddening. I’ve tried to commit sui*ide once. I’m impressed she’s still here. I’m proud of her for that. Thank you for the break down.
I hope she wins this battle, it clearly seems like she is being abused, you can literally see the signs of metal stress on her face. It is so upsetting. Hopefully one day she can become a voice/activist for people like her that do not have the same status: ie: Disabled, elders, children, who are being abused by this system. We need laws to be changed in order to protected these vulnerable people.
i'm one of those. the disabled one. i'm barely hanging on. new tomb raider movie and possibly game is keeping me alive right now. the people that don' t know me think i have everything and i'm spoil and selfish. but in reality. i just want to live my life. i want to leave my grandma house and live my own life but the health insurance was like "you want freedom, it will cost you everything". i have no choice. if i leave and my disability acts up the next day. how am i going to pay my bills? i couldn't get a job when i was teen and i still can't get a job. they told me "you can work. do the job that we give you but you will lose your health insurance. " how does that make sense? so if i do everything you told me to do, i will still lose at the end? so when i heard about Britney situation.....i knew right away. but the only differences is i'm not rich like Britney (but even with money, she still can't get out) , she is being abuse by the system AND her dad. i'm just being abuse by the system and stuck with my narcissistic relatives who think they know everything and love making me feel guilty. my grandma makes me feel guilty every chance she gets and i'm like YOU put me on this system. what do you want me to do? i wish i can sue my family and the government. American freedom my azz.
@@CLRaider I don't understand how this happens. NAMI is useless too. How bout apply for section 8 or public housing? Apply for food stamps and if you see a case worker ask her if she can help you move into independant living and have a coach? I've seen it, cause I'vee been a coach. You can get a job too! It's unhealthy for you not to have a job. Start there, goodwill salvation army get kick backs for hiring the disabled and everybody gets to keep their check. Do you know how much money you get each month cause you should. Your basic rent should be no more than 30% of your gross income.. do the math and start asking for bills if you can. Chances are very very good they are using you to pay the rent, I see it all the time.
@@CLRaider those liberals at DHS love it when you say, I just want to try to be more independant. You need to try to find someone to be your payee, good luck with that. That's the crux of the issue you have now.
A lot of people are forgetting that IUDs aren't supposed to be in place longer than a few years depending on which one is in place. I had a friend tell me she had one in for 8 years but if she kept it in any longer, she wouldn't be able to conceive after that so she had to take it out. Yes, what Brittany is going through is forced sterilization. She's already at an age where pregnancies can be high risk. The courts need to move quickly on her behalf.
I went through some traumatic stuff at 17 and had a horrible mental breakdown to the point of hospitalization. I'm so glad my family helped me instead of imprisoned me.
Seems like Jamie Spears may be in need of a conservator of his own. Addiction? Breakdown? Assault? Incapacitated? Surely he can't live on his own. Britney should petition the courts for control.
I’d sign that petition. I sincerely hope each and every person gets investigated thoroughly and are required to pay back every red penny they made off of her.
I keep coming back to the fact that Ms. Spears has been able to make millions and millions through her performance work over the years while simultaneously being allegedly unable to care for herself and her estate. That seems like a major red flag to me, as an outside observer. Thanks for your insight on the various facets of this issue!
You have no idea how much awareness you are bringing to the disability population. As an individual who has family with both developmental disabilities and mental illness, I really appreciate your interpretation of these issues. Disability rights and ableism are nowhere enough talked about. This can be seen when there isn’t easy accessibility to a public entrances for people in wheelchairs or the lack of adaption to older buildings. Thank you so much for bringing this up ❤️🌈😊
How long is someone considered “incapacitated “ in the state of California.is working full time & supporting her family considered incapacitated? If she was collecting SSDI for being “ mentally incapacitated “, she COULD NOT collect SSDI!
@@marilynv6224 actually we can work, but if we make over a certain amount, yes, the disability is reevaluated and the checks stop. Obviously she is capable of supporting herself and making too much for disability. So the work argument still has merit, but it is false to say people on disability cannot work at all. I sell plants sometimes, but since i only make $200 a month or so, it does not affect my disability (SSD).
Geez, if it takes a couple breakdowns to get a conservatorship, then. . . what? I guess 90% of genuinely vulnerable, wholehearted, and trustworthy humans should have one. GASLIGHTING is what this is: not help. She should have been offered therapy a long time ago--that probably would have saved her and helped her postpartum depression. And her poor kids, too. I hate men like this. Gross.
its disability rights issue for sure but its also a misogyny problem. you know that most of the people controlling and profiting off her are entitled men, from her father to the judge they see her as a silly girl not a grown adult
Exactly. Celebrity Men like Kanye West and Charlie Sheen both had meltdowns publicly...but they were still allowed to have children and spend their own money! They would never put a male celebrity under a Conservatorship 😡
Yea, it is super gross. I have pretty bad depression and anxiety and had a mental breakdown this past year where I was contemplating suicide. It was so bad that I couldn't go to work because I would just break down crying. Getting out of bed took all I had. But I got help and am doing better. So what....because I had a moment of struggle I could be put in to a conservatorship??? Britney had the misfortune of being famous and having her breakdown publicly. What she needed was support and help not to be put in a conservatorship that clearly just adds stress to her life with how much control it has and being publicly mocked. How is she expected to be better under these conditions. Just makes me so mad.
The helplessness and rage people under the control of conservatorships must feel is unimaginable. I'm hoping Britney and others trapped in this exploitative system are freed and that the system is extremely regulated and controlled or abolished all together.
Without the right to bodily autonomy, the whole structure of human rights just begins to fall apart. It's the lynchpin that holds our sense of humanity together, and eroding it for the few will almost invariably threaten it for the many given enough time.
@@jamespope7669 ???? Ah yes because it totally makes sense for a conservator to go “you can’t buy your own groceries but go on tour immediately after leaving a mental hospital” /s. Even if she did have mental issues, the conservatorship is clearly bogus and not for her own well-being. It’s very clear to see.
She is totally competent. They need to remove this conservatorship. This is disgusting that this is being allowed. She supposedly unstable yet she is making them millions by working . I hope her judge isn't bought like many. Brittany gets 2000 a week to spend .. I wonder how much they are pocketing monthly. Her whole family just uses her for her money. They could care less about her. It's truly sad. I hope she sues them all and wins her life back.
And regulated with a damn microscope. It shouldn't be left to the discretion of the conservator to prove the mental capacity of the conservatee, it should be the courts assigning physicians to evaluate the person from the get go. There should be stringent laws and regulations in place for something as serious as completely stripping a person of ALL of their rights
That for me is the worst part. She did have a very public mental health breakdown, and I'm sure she needed all the help she could get for a little while. But then to keep her locked down for the next 13 YEARS because of it?? And in the meantime she is able to be one of the hardest working entertainers in show biz, but not have free access to her own money?? This sort of thing makes it harder for ANYONE to get help when they need it. The threat of extreme stigma and being infantilized/controlled by the medical and justice system is very real. People will suffer instead of getting help and risking damage to their autonomy. What's the point of a conservatorship if noone is truly looking after her best interests.
Honey if this would be happening to all citizens of America you be damn sure that there would be a civil rights movement and maybe a civil war in this country.
Thank you SO MUCH for centering this video around disability rights!! There's been such a media circus with this, and it's so important to remember this isnt just a Britney (or rich actor) thing.
IF THEY WOULD ALLOW HER TO GET MARRIED she would not have to 'prove' that she needs help on a day-to-day basis to live her normal daily life. Her _husband_ would be there for her and their future child(ren), and she's wealthy enough that he never has to work (to support his family) again!
Britneys boyfriend Sam has given lots of hints about whats really going on even calling her dad a dick on insta I think they don't want her to marry because it gives someone outside the circle access to stuff they don't want anyone to know he's basically a Trojan horse for the fanbase and anyone else who wants the conservativeship to end
I was approved for disability while pregnant and I remember having a meeting with my case worker just after my daughter was born that was very disturbing. She made many comments about me having a child and then after took away an extra allowance that I was getting each month to encourage breastfeeding. Don't even get me started on that. I called her supervisor and told him about it and he looked into it and the extra money was put back on my check. However I never was told if there was any discipline action taken or anything more. I was given a new worker.
The whole situation is insane. Conservatorships should have to be consistently reevaluated by a team of doctors to determine their necessity. It should not be on the person inside of the conservatorship to prove their ability. The conservator should have to prove the conservatorship needs to continue biannually, all hearings should have the person present, unless they are physically unable to be present due to physical disabilities that limit their movement. I’m curious if any states have good, strict, conservatorship laws.
*Should* being the operative word. They're supposed to be, but corrupt conservators and lazy courts have resulted in minimal to no oversight. It's the conservator's job to have medical evals done, no actual requirement for a court appointed physician to do the evals, and no requirement for conservatees to be present at any hearings. Courts are _supposed_ to do home checks as well, but as far as I can tell, none of them are random. Anyone that's had a corporate job can tell you, when you know corporate or a health inspector is coming, you make sure your shit is immaculate for that visit. The system isn't broken, it's flat out stacked against the individual. It's basically a case of, "we really don't have time for this, so can you just make sure your shit is in order so we don't have to go through the lengthy process of questioning this? 'kay thanks."
Not having the conservatee attend hearings has always been one the logical flaws in the system that infuriated me. It’s been ruled that They aren’t required to attend the hearing establishing the conservatorship (or be notified in due time) because they can contest the conservatorship afterwards...but then they don’t have to attend any hearings after that either because you don’t have any rights and your conservator or lawyer can decide you don’t. It’s bonkers corrupt
i heard conservatorship is being renewed and another evaluation is being done everytime. I think lawyers juudges and those doctors are paid under the table
I think it's ridiculous that Britney has to prove to doctors she's fine. It shows, that the situation would be wrong only if she was healthy which is bullsh*t, disabled people also deserve autonomy. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE 100% HEALTHY TO HAVE POWER OVER YOUR BODY!!!
As someone with disabilities, I wish there was more available for resources and assistance that didn't involve giving someone control over your life. I still live at home because I lack the physical ability to take care of everything myself (like making food and remembering to take what I need to is the biggest problem) but I still have to get my parents to do things, yet in some areas, they legally aren't allowed to book appointments for me or order things without being considered a legal guardian like a conservator. It's so hard to navigate especially where I go situationally mute.
Under the law everyone's innocent until proven guilty, even recidivists so why can't people be "capable" until proven otherwise? For me it would be logic that if she asked for the conservatorship to be over the burden of proof should be on the people saying she needs the conservatorship not on her proving she doesn't need it anymore...
It seems as though people under a conservatorship like this wind up having to “prove a negative,” per se. If you have all these people working against you and you’ve been deemed incapacitated, how the heck are you supposed to demonstrate it’s no longer needed when those with the power over your situation dismiss you due to said incapacitation? It’s so wrong that this ever happened to her.
Bingo. This is the most coherent concise post of someone understanding it that I've seen in a LOT of threads. That right there is the problem. And when you're as rich as Britney, your conservator also has the power to pay people off to say whatever they want them to say (allegedly).
I doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the financial gain is obscuring the minds of those benefiting. It’s obvios! Especially in a case like this. It should immediately raise the judges eyebrow… Who oversees the judges? The attorney general? How could this be intervened?
@@marionsiempre7417 everything is with the conservatees's money. Paying the lawyers (Jamie's too), paying the conservator, paying for general expenses, paying for mandated treatment etc. Everything. So, if he so chose to pay anyone off, it's be on her dime.
@@Amarianee This is one of the components of conservatorships that I find to be so incredibly predatory. Along with the fact that these medical/mental health professionals could easily be paid off to continue profiting off of the incapacitation status. It’s enraging. I’m sure there are situations where conservatorships are beneficial but I can’t fathom how this could be one of them.
It’s horrifying she has an IUD in she doesn’t want - but to be really clear, we don’t know that she initially got it against her will. She may have wanted it at one time, but now isn’t allowed to have it removed.
I believe Britney referred to it as an “ID”. If i’m correct and she doesn’t actually know what it’s called, i’m willing to bet she never agreed to getting it in the first place.
@@callmeskinnypls I noticed that. I don't know if it was just a catch in her throat, or if she possibly thought it was "ID" because intrauterine is one word. From everything she said though, it _seems_ like it was placed without her consent. There's no way for us to know for sure, short of her saying so, but it sure feels like that. Regardless of who had it placed, most are really only supposed to be in for about 10yrs max. It varies, depending on which one she has, but the whole thing is disturbing nonetheless.
Post-partum is a really bad mental illness. My niece went through it, thank God everyone got through it alive. I would never believe how bad it could be till after seeing my niece suffer. She was literally off her rocker. BRITNEY DESERVES HER FREEDOM. SHE IS PERFECTLY FINE NOW.
I think Britney also deserves a tremendous amount of respect. Because her resilience is incredible. She was abks to bear this for 13 years. Something like this would lot of people break. Big respect. ❤
may i ask how a judge can make such a decision to take someone's freedom away and not even hear from the person in question? even criminals get to be heard before their freedom is taken away. shouldn't the judge have known better and doesn't that make the judge or judges accomplices?
Her brother in law making a statement about how much they love her made me so angry. He would say that since his wife has been granted control of her estate when she dies! I just don’t trust the family and I feel like she has been wronged for most of her life by them.
I would just like to add in regards to people deemed disabled essentially being sterilized: statistically disabled people have a high rate of being sexually abused. If they are sterilized it takes away one potential piece of evidence to prove abuse. Just some food for thought.
Like the lady in vegetative state in a nursing home that became pregnant. She was non verbal and couldn't tell anyone of the abuse that probably went on for years. The staff didn't even realize (supposedly) that she was pregnant until she gave birth. DNA caught the rapist. Sad.
That picture of her with her boyfriend is heartbreaking, I can sense how hurt she is and you can even see it in her face. She sounds competent and intelligent enough to want to be free. What’s the worst that could happen? She’s happy, with control of her finances and her life?! I hope she gets the justice she deserves🤞🏻
I would love to hear your take on how these issues of paternalism and lack of privilege affect survivors of domestic violence caught in these systems (police, emergency departments, shelters etc) that offer inadequate to harmful interventions (at least in rural America) which usually fail to actually empower victims/survivors to seek legal justice and medical help (eg. injuries only qualify for victims compensation if police bother to file charges and many elect not to and defend abuse as free speech or unprovable even with severe injury). Loved this. Thanks, gal!
100% I've watched my stepmom suffer severe domestic abuse with no recourse. Police have been called multiple times over the years, by different people, but since she won't press charges, nothing happens. They've been "together" for something like 20yrs at this point. My father's a manipulative POS and in that time, he's managed to take her license, her job, and custody of her kids. He's convinced her that she has nothing without him (which, unfortunately, isn't a complete lie since her mother's also a POS), so she's been resigned to her fate for a long time. I've tried to help, but when someone is that far down the twisted rabbit hole, there's not much 1 person can do. Haven't spoken to him in about a decade, but I know they're still together from other family members.
I was thinking exactly the same, this is basically domestic violence! So sorry to hear about your mum, feels sad seeing something but knowing that everything is bound by laws, documents, courts and faff when the situation is really obvious and that person just needs help.
I was wondering, could her sons testify for her? They're 15 and 14, are they old enough? Because I remember reading something about the eldest saying terrible things about his grandfather.
Nope. They could potentially address the court in a status hearing, like Britney, but that's at the court's discretion. The judge could just say no. They could, potentially, hire an attorney to file a petition to end it, but that wouldn't be until they were 18. Unless someone involved, like her attorney, mom, or dad, files a petition to end it, it's pretty much dead in the water. At this point though, the judge could actually listen to Britney and order court appointed physicians to evaluate her outside her father's control, but again, that's up to the judge.
@@Amarianee Wow. When reading things like this, I thanks more to be living in Argentina. Here, even when 18 still is majority, from 13 you have the right to be heard and the judge has to comply and take your voice as serious as the one of an adult.
Honestly I loved when Britney shaved her head. I thought that was punk rock. I was really confused when she dropped off the face of the earth. Then when all this came out in the past couple years, I realized what happened. That would have been amazing if she had gained autonomy, like Madonna, and Gaga, they do what they want. So I really look forward to a future where Britney does work she actually wants to do.
When it comes to obscene amounts of money, people will manipulate the situation to their advantage. I hope Britney gets unbiased doctors m so she can finally prove to the court that she can live freely. She deserves to enjoy the fruits of her labor. She's been working so hard for other people. Those people, well they need to "work, bitch".
Everyone deserves a second chance, when you know they have recovered! Britney did not commit murder! I pray she gets to have control of her life! 13yrs being controlled. Give her life back please.
33 dislikes are bad lawyers and Jamie, Jamie Lynn, Lou Taylor and her loser friends, the judge, plus everyone who did wrong to Britney You aren’t going to win she will be free even if we have to save her ourselves
Not Brittany related but was mentioned: As someone who did Public record research and retrieval for 6+ years I would be super interested in a video regarding public record access
Britney should also research who called the paparazzi to let them know where she was gonna be every single time (family, managers) and suit them all. It was all a plan to make her think she needed protection and to make her feel insecure.
So sad brittneys circus she wanted to be in a cage and then in Miley’s “Can’t be tamed” the same management let her break out of a cage… it’s like a slap in the face.
It would be great to see conservatorships be completely time bounded and the need of mental evaluations to be performed by psychiatrists nominated exclusively by the courts and not the person seeking conservatorship.
What makes you think that adult protective services will help when children protective services fail all the time. They only get involved after the fact when a child dead. After that when the story dies off they go back to being unaccountable.
That song was released in 2002 though, 5 years before her conservatorship happened. But maybe the words in that song did have something to do in attracting that into her life
@@MW-ob8jm Yes. I wonder if the songs she sang before her conservatorship had anything to do in attracting that into her life. The songs that talked about being a slave, crying in her lonely life, etc,. Words have so much power ..
Also thinking her parents have been treating her like a slave her whole life, she was finally free at 18, just to turn around and get caught in a conservatorship. It's tragic.
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As a disabled person it meant a lot that during her statement Britney mentioned many people who are disabled who suffer under guardians and conservatorships. This is more than just a one off case. This is a disability rights issue. We deserve autonomy. We deserve to be as independent as we can. We should have our civil rights recognized and respected. The things Britney wants sound far too familiar to me and that enrages me. Thank you so much for talking about how this is a disability rights issue. Before my grandmother died she made sure to set up a Special needs trust as my mother had also passed. It has its ups and downs but it is a million miles better than a conservatorship.
So true!
That's right, I'm so glad Britney talked about other conservatorship cases that are abusive, she's certainly done her research, good on her.
I felt the same as a disabled person as well , I've been so emotional about this.
I have to second this. So many times people abuse the holy hell out of us not just parents, acquaintances, but friends, partners.
@@autumnconway9489 That was the part that almost made me cry. Because she didn't have to mention that. She could have acted like her situation is unique. The fact that she did mention it and seems to understand that it's not a one off further proves in my mind she has a sharp mind and is more than competent.
Britney said that she wishes she could sue her family.. that says it all 😖
She also said that her conservators should be in jail
after saying she went along for 13yrs because she was afraid to be sued? lol k
@@7ess1a or she went alone with it for 13 years because when she tried to fight it she was institutionalized against her will, drugged, and denied the right to see her children.
@@7ess1a Well, that's the point of toxic relationship.
Once she's free it might be the first thing she does.
The fact Britney is still alive speaks volumes about how mentally strong she is.
Facts
She’s resilient and still fighting for herself.
So true! So many would crumble. It speaks most to her love of her sons too. She's a fierce mamabear
Factss!! A lot of people would have ended their lives if they where in her position.
There's no way she would've won ,if she harmed herself then it would've been "the crazy girl we warned you about".
She is alive but suffers slavery treatment basically.
the fact that brit’s son has a restraining order against jamie; but britney is apparently the unfit parent says it all.
It says it all that the conservatorship had no power over what she did w/her kids. It had no such powers and after she lost them by her own undoing in the first place, never prioritized them in the ensuring years and in fact, handed over 70% custody to Kevin during the conservatorship & of her own free will
Just like she could have sought to regain more custody if she was unhappy w/any custody payments she agreed to but she chose not to.
Instead, what she's done is take to SM to bad mouth her kid's father, something no parent should ever do, let alone publicly and especially the responsible one who stepped up to the plate to ensure their kids were in a stable environment.
She should be grateful he's been a good father to their kids instead of distracting away from her own irresponsible actions & behavior. Take a gander at her postings w/dog excrement on her floors in her postings!
Anyone who thinks there's nothing wrong w/this picture is just another enabler. There's nothing compassionate about looking the other way when it comes to mental illness, nor does it send the right message that it's too taboo to even entertain!
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@@beth1188 IKR?! She's a clown, still traipsing through dog sh*t in her days old makeup and 25 yr old outfits all day long - way to go mom!
What does any of that have to do with her son getting a restraining order against her father
Her 2008 breakdown was likely due in part to the fact that she had had two babies in two years, was postpartum (and needed meds. No shame there.) and was married to an idiot. The fact that they are still holding it over her head 13 years later is insane!
Lots of people have mental breakdowns and she is famous she was still sane and working hard making money for everyone but herself
plus working since she could walk. paparazzi.. don’t forget that.
Not to mention her kids had been taken from her sooooo. What happens when a woman has had 2 kids in 2 years and then given to thier dad whomalso did not do any favours for her.
Yes she could have been helped 1000x over and back on track
I believe she got post depression due to her 2 births of Kidz, her idol ex hubby & insane media that chasing her up & down... She have grownups which older than me 2 years... When we are young, we are easy be influenced by bad peeps but after giving birth to kids, getting older & older... The mindsets will grownups & need privacy... Her family just treat her by cash cows for all their luxury spending... I'm highly suspect that the previous judge was somehow corrputed with her brand records/ her father...
I'm not particularly interested in celebrity however, the idea of a person having their liberty taken away while being forced to work and pay her 'captors'.. it is wrong on so many levels. To say she is suffering is an understatement. What she's suffered for 13 years is terrible.
Same. I grew up with Britney and all the other pop bands but I have never been a "Stan" (nothing against her, just the music). However, this affects the entire nation. Conservatorships, and even ones as restrictive as hers, are not new or rare. What Britney said is 100% correct; there are MILLIONS of people in conservatorships. Some are perfectly reasonable and being executed properly and do protect people, but there are so many that are being abused. There's such minimal and poor court oversight, and like Leeja said, these conservatees almost never even get to see a courtroom. In most cases, the filings are completed in a matter of minutes with only the petitioner and their attorney present. There's _supposed_ to be regular check ups and heavy oversight, but the reality is that, there isn't. Courts take the word of the petitioner(s) and move on, because they're just "too busy" to deal with conservatorships vs the rest of the criminal cases. Things NEED to change.
@@Amarianee the global pressure in this case is pushing the need to review this case, therefore the system. This tragedy and the world watching can’t be ignored. This is “legal abuse”. No one likes it (except the few that profit).
Me neither. I really could not care more. This is just not about that.
She's been forced to work her whole life. She was made to dance as a child
Same! I was never into celeb stuff til 2011 when I heard about this. It's happened to a few other celebrities, which made me start research it like crazy and now I'm all about celeb stuff cuz a lot of their lives are MESSED UP by the same team of people who did this to Britney, led by Lou M Taylor, who tried to do it to Lindsay Lohan first, and Mr. Lohan called her out in a press conference and told her to stay the h*ll away from his family. Then Lou moved onto Britney who has a father psychopathic enough to do it.
Britney is literally just a normal fucking woman with a lot of talent who has been completely abused. She's not an idiot, she's not "psycho", she just had a psychological episode like 15 years ago. Let her BE.
Even if she does struggle with mental health issues, she doesn't deserve this. You can't actively recover from trauma like this while being put through it.
I've always wondered.. She shaved her head so she must have mental breakdown... What? If i shave my head does it mean i have mental breakdown? My hair, my decision..
She got mad at paparazzis harassing her.. Well i would too.. Doesn't mean i have mental problems.. Means i want some privacy and not to be harassed.. 🤔
Well said!
@@charlie0000 Maybe youre not as valuable as Britney, do you have sealed documents and are protected by HIPAA-are you on lithium?
@@charlie0000 when i was young my mum told me she'd shaved it off as she had caught headlice and the extensions meant she couldnt treat it and the itching got too much. i fully doubt thats true but institutionalising someone because they shave their head for whatever reason is baffling. its not even self harm like how is altering her apperance bad....oh no wait it ruined the brand her parents wanted to portray.... and im for her smashing that paps car up tbh, like worse case should have been seen as smth she has to pay to fix
The worst part of it for me which is confirmed by Jaime's lawyer in the documentary is that somehow she formally agreed to the original conservatorship because her father was holding seeing the kids over her head. Heart breaking stuff.
I have no doubt that that's true, but I think she did actually need it. She was also told it would only be temporary, which leads me to believe that she originally agreed in good faith. She was very clearly in a dark place and needed help, and likely thought that's what she was getting. Instead, her dad turned around and made in permanent the next day, without her consent (which was completely legal). She agreed to a temporary fix, and got blindsided by the person she trusted to help her. The worst part, is that the hearing to make it permanent didn't involve her at all and likely only took about 10mins to complete. Since her temporary one deemed her "incapacitated," it was just a matter of Jamie and his lawyer checking a new box, presenting it to the judge, and getting the approval. And just like that, her constitutional rights vanished.
Yeah, she needed time away from the spotlight to heal and recover from whatever was going on. I mean a good 5 to 10 years. She was doped up and thrown on stage and album cycles barely a year or two within her break down.
I don’t think he was threatening that he would take them away, I think he was more so threatening that if she didn’t fix her shit she wouldn’t get to see them and her family wouldn’t step in to help. It’s important to remember she was incredibly unstable back then. He didn’t have the power as a grand parent before the conservatorship to say if she couldn’t see her kids, that was on Kevin and the courts back then.
@@MikeOfMichigan What a kind alcoholic father that wasn't around when she was growing up and put himself in control of her millions. Britney wasn't unstable. She had ENOUGH. She was sick of being man handled and having papparazzi in her face wherever she went. She wanted a break which nobody would give her. She never agreed to it, even Britney's original lawyer said that.
I agree. It should not be legal and binding for someone to agree to anything while being forced with the threat of not being able to see her children. This is pure duress!!!! NO one should used her children as pawns to make her do anything. It is disgusting!
Britney spoke so clearly, to the point, intelligently. If anyone believes that those were the words of an incapacitated person, they need urgent help. There is a special place in hell for that "father" of hers.
Not to mention the doctors and lawyers who helped him that should all lose their licenses’ and her management team, who should never be able to work in business again, not even just Hollywood. If they’d abuse her they’d abuse anyone else they’re supposed to work with.
Absolutely.
well said. she is very intelligent and she used to try to speak out against the MK Ultra-like mind control used on her but the powers that be have her right where they want her. tied up and abused. i wish she could run away and be free.
if you listen to the testimony there are a couple parts where she is so flustered and filled with anxiety about FINALLY talking about what she has been through the past 13 years that she stumbles over her words or starts talking super fast, It broke my heart, because it just shows JUST HOW OFTEN she gets talked over or cut off
but she DEFINITELY killed it and was articulate as HELL for squeezing 13 years of trauma into a 20min testimony
She's on her meds but once she gets her freedom, she will go off her meds so she can get pregnant from her unemployed mooching leeching boyfriend. remember, when people who have mental health issues after being on meds for so long come to a certain point sometimes that they feel since they "feel better" they no longer feel they need medication. But ya, let her get her freedom and watch her money dwindle from the real moocher
It was like Britney said in her own testimony that she is actually paying for everyone else's lawyers as well. Conflict of interest?
And she was given a court appointed lawyer rather than being able to choose her own lawyer again because of the conservatorship
Sad shes so rich and cant hire the best...a real lawyer a good one needs to volunteer to handle this
@@cradames oh yes. She needs a real lawyer.
If and hopefully when it gets overturned I'm sure she will sue to get back money
What stuck out to me, in the transcript of her statement that I read, was how her visitation with her kids was held hostage if she didn't do the tour or the Vega shows or an interview or go to an appointment or whatever. That's just sick. Of course she's going to do whatever they say to see them. It just really is upsetting.
The only dislike is from Jamie Spears.
Jamie Lynne too!
@@Nat524Ricci how about her sister and her brother?
@@theanalogguy1988 she did say her “entire family”, so I wouldn’t trust her siblings or her mother.
LMAO LITERALLY
@@nolaray1062 agreed
Her songs "Work Bitch" and "Slave 4 You" have entirely new meanings.
Sooo many of her songs have new meaning now. Lucky, Overprotected, Toxic, Circus... like damn.
Womanizer
never could listen to everytime, shit was heart-breaking 😭😭
@@amandacantcometothephone 😭😢😥
I hear her singing "work bitch" to her dad & family now!
I don’t see Charlie Sheen or other destructive men under conservatorship. Seems like “hysteria” is still being used against women.
Kenye West comes to mind, he can say things that some people might call 'crazy' but he gets to spend the money he works for as he wishes.
Exactly
Absofuckinglutely true.
Exactly what I've been screaming about for months. This would never happen to a male celebrity in the same situation. It happens to men only when they are older and then they are taken advantage of.
Those men weren't diagnosed with bpd and (allegedly) dementia...
Calm your fem tits
This poor girl. Britney is gonna be 40 years old. If she wants out...let her out. If she wants to blow her money and screw up her life...LET HER...!!! And the whole thing sounds like Scientology
Definitely sounds like the cult of her father.
I don’t care how “crazy” a judge or court thinks a conservatee is, if there are these kind of serious allegations being brought forward, there should be an IMMEDIATE in depth investigation and temporarily give power of conservatorship to someone else until the investigation can be completed. I know the law doesn’t always seem right, but at the end of the day there needs to be room for common sense and compassion. How the court could have overlooked those allegations and turned a blind eye to the obvious conflicts of interests is beyond me.
Do you realise that there is an court appointed independent trustee and Co conservator? Her dad can't make any decisions without it being jointly approved. The Trustee and the Co conservator are already involved in all decisions. For example the decision to put her on medication was a joint decision. Britney was bitching about Jody the Co Conservator but she is an independent appointment. There are safeguards already in place. Her dad doesn't solely make the decisions and the court appointed people are already in place.
@@almac9203 @Al mac you have clearly not been following the case, or understand the current paperwork on file. The only co-conservator was JUST appointed in the last hearing, and for the estate only. The recent filing by Bessemer Trust (yesterday or the day before) was the actual approval for them to formally take over as co-conservator, with equal power. While they were appointed at the last hearing, their power did not take effect immediately. They have a LOT of records to go through now to verify any improper use of funds, and depending on that outcome, they might actually be able to take over as sole conservator. Jaime is still the primary conservator of her person, Jodi is, legally, only a temp. That means that, anything Britney wants to do, literally ANYTHING (even as miniscule as making a phone call) has to be approved by him first. There's no joint approval required for her person, atm. Before his hospitalization, there never was, since he's always been primary. He has legally had absolute control over everything she does, or doesn't do, for 13 years. Check court filings before you make assumptive statements. The ones pertaining to your inaccuracies are public record.
@@Amarianee no you are wrong. Andrew Waller was a Co conservator until he resigned. Jodi is currently a Co conservator and has just as much a say as Britneys dad and Britney has applied for her to be permanent. The decisions are jointly undertaken. You are also wrong about the independent trustee as well. They have been part of this for since 2019. The court case was because her father objected to them having power regarding her finances so it went to court. He argued that the trust was taking away his power to make decisions. BTW the court decision was in February not a few days ago as you asserted.
@@almac9203 you're wrong. Andrew Wallet was actually her attorney. And Bessemer was only approved a few days ago because Jamie's lawyer would always postpone delivering the required paperwork. Bessemer hasn't even started their work yet.
@@YgorCortes why do you comment on things you clearly know nothing about? Here is a quote on Andrew Wallet: Since 2008, Britney Spears has been under a legally mandated conservatorship that grants her father, Jamie, and a co-conservator control of her business and financial decisions. Until 2019, that co-conservator was attorney Andrew Wallet.
www.bustle.com/entertainment/who-is-andrew-wallet-britney-spears-co-conservator
Here is a quote on Bessemer Trust: In November, the judge in the case declined to remove Jamie, but added Bessemer Trust as a co-conservator and corporate fiduciary. At Thursday’s hearing, Jamie lost his bid to retain the power to delegate investment powers for the estate.
The judge, Brenda J Perry, denied his request, reaffirming that Jamie and Bessemer Trust remain co-conservators with equal authority.
Notice the words Reaffirming that Jamie and Bessemer Trust REMAIN Co- Conservators with equal authority. In his court submission, Jamie Spears stated that he objected to the proposed management arrangement with Bessemer, arguing that it reduced the power he's held for years in the case.
www.theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/10/britney-spears-conservatorship-court-hearing-los-angeles
The most insidious thing about trying to prove that you can take care of yourself and no longer need conservatorship is the conservatorship _makes_ you unable to take care of yourself. Finances, decision making, etc. are skills, and to have a skill you have to train it and maintain your abilities. And while you're under conservatorship you don't get to do either, so even if you had some basic self management skills before the conservatorship, you forget how to use them, and you knowledge gets outdated, which means the longer the conservatorship lasts, the less you are able to take care of yourself. Which is pretty scary. The whole system looks tailored to enable abuse of power.
While you're whole post is totally accurate, the first sentence summed it all up. The conservatee can't pick their own attorney (for the afore mentioned reason) and even a court appointed one rarely wants to go through the financial and laborious effort of an uphill battle to petition an end. Since the conservatee can't actually do anything to prove their mental capacity, without a zealous lawyer, that right there cripples them. Then it's just downhill from there.
Totally agree, also making her look dishevelled and unbalanced works in their favour, drugging her up also makes her look unstable
I think what she has working on her side si that she has been working this whole time and as part of her career she definitelly manages dancer sand other people, so to some extent you cannot say she is unable to make decisions for herself if she is managing others in a career. She's obviously able.
IMO the most natural thing would be if they had to prove regularly that she still needs the conservatorship. Innocent until proven guilty? Apparently not in these cases.
i’m on disability for mental illness have no clue how to take care of myself financially because my mom controls it and im 32 and my depression just gets worse it sucks so bad
This whole thing reminds me of a story my mom told me about her time in nursing school in the 60s. Day 1 a female patient comes running down the hall, stark naked and giggling. Turns out she was committed to the hospital decades earlier when she was 18 or so because she wouldn't marry the man her father wanted her to marry. By the time my mom met her, due to the horrid way psych patients were treated at the time, that poor woman had many mental health issues. Both situations make my skin crawl with how unfairly the women were treated.
Spot on & oh so terrible!
Meanwhile, Kanye West is just out there, living his best crazy life. "Female Hysteria" was removed as a medical diagnosis, but in reality, people just came up with new creative ways to deem women crazy and incapacitated. 🤮
(*And where's Charlie Sheen's, Alec Baldwin's or Shia Labeouf's conservatorships, hm?)
If Britney did not have any mental problems before - she will have them now
Very Much trauma !
@@patriciachovanec3997 yep
@@Amarianee hysteria wasnt really removed its still covered by conversion disorder and other somatic disorders, which is still applied to many chronically ill people even if you have a physical diagnosis to explain your symptoms
The only thing wrong with Britney is that she’s surrounded by leaches.
Exactly!!!
That's what their all doing makeing her keep working to support their bank accounts! It's not really being asked anything of her thoughts on anything! It's very shady! Their spending her money not truely helping her! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
The conservatorship seems to be trying to psychologically break her.
It’s seems like enslavement to me.
She already been broke.
They broke her a long time think of MK ultra like CIA there’s sealed documents think Disney they won’t let her out
She's still there. She's still fighting. She's not out yet.
Imagine the system in place to help get someone stable to manage their lives again after a break down is the exact system that causes a further breakdown. This system failed her more than once. She is forced to pay people to f her over. so much more to say but we all know it already.
When I heard how FAST she was talking while delivering her statement all I could think of was “this is a scared girl who has been intimidated” I have been there! When you’re terrified and threatened you’re always on edge and always feel you have to talk fast to get all of your words out before someone shuts you down! I feel so terrible for her!! I really hope she gets to be free of this conservatorship!!! She may need help but I doubt she needs someone holding her hand with everything! She just needs someone she can count on to be there for her and let her live her life!!!
Imagine having the hardest mental breakdown of your life and everyone making fun of you for it. And then your kids get taken away. And then YOUR own family uses you for YOUR hard earned money. Imagine having no say in how you live your life and people using your mental status (which is under control and being treated) as a way to prevent you from living your life. Just imagine. FREE BRITNEY
Look at all the homeless people with mental health issues. The courts could care less. But Britney, well she is loaded so the court has to intervene. What a joke. The criteria being used to deem Brit unfit is highly questionable. Her civil rights are being trampled on. The legal system is completely failing in Britney's case.
It was her family that brought it to the court’s attention not the other way around. The legal system may not be perfect but it’s what we have! And is always changing btw. Without some type of Law & Order we’d have anarchy and chaos! People just saying and doing whatever, wherever, to whomever… consequences be damned because there would be none! Yea that’s sounds fantastic!
Please keep in mind that every facet of our legal system, including every body of Government is a corporate structure, they are called Municipal Corporations. Their jobs are not to ensure the safety and well-being of people who reside within their structures and protect them against enemies foreign and domestic, their jobs are to trick tax payers in to believing things of great magnitude and of great concern to justify more ways to increase taxes and further justify the ongoing fluxes of taxes that support their own payrolls by using the increasing numbering game while planting seeds, like ideas, that make people willing to pay more and more taxes without ever turning, over throwing, the government. This thing with Britney has prongs and the pronged approach, much like copying fashion trends and styles from Britney, opens up more opportunities for family members across the board that are jealous and envy of those within their own families that may be talented and successful, to gain power and control over things they themselves never had to work for. The United States is nothing more than a testing ground for pure ignorance. The easiest way to cause a mental illness is to beat someone in the head a few times, then go to court and make them incapacitated.
It's just insane to me that the reason for her conservatorship was "dementia". My grandma has dementia. So did my grandpa before he passed. It might be difficult to detect at first but it's degenerative. If she had dementia for 13 years she would not be able to speak so coherently, perform, go on tv, etc. It seems to me that she had an episode of bipolar mania back in '07, or some similar mental illness. As a person with bipolar, this is just super scary. I'm so glad my family gave me loving support during my breakdowns, and that I didn't have the public mocking me. There were times in my life that I was not capable of caring for myself or making rational decisions but I was given familial love and psychiatric help and I'm now a fully functioning member of society. So Britney's case really gets to me on a personal level.
She has had a lot of drug abuse. You haven't seen the medical court documents...sooo
She wouldn't even HAVE dementia for 13 years. The average life span after diagnosis of dementia is 7 years. She very obviously does NOT have dementia. How utterly absurd and ridiculous. It's almost unheard of for people her age to have dementia, and she certainly isn't one of the exceptions who does
@@becca5027 right so you have ? If she is so drug addicted how does she manage to work as much as she does ? Think for yourself don’t be a sheep.
Sorry WHAT ?? Britany has dementia?? Since WHEN?
Her family are afraid that if they lose the conservatorship, they will stay broke, because i am sure Britney will neved talk to them again anx they will have to work for themselves.
I cant wait!! They deserve it
I hope she gets free and sues back every penny out of each person that has enriched on her !!!!
Because even if she would get free right now, they have stolen so much time money and “life” from her
Her past is gone and her future is fucked up 😖😖☹️
What she reported is just what happened since 2018, imagine all the other 10 years...
Or since she was a child...💧💧💧
@@Clintsessentials she's been in this conservatorship since 2007, so luckily her childhood was actually a lot more normal
Let’s be honest we all know her family has lived off of her, her entire career. I’m sure she has been abused and gaslighted her entire life. More than 13 years. #FREEBRITNEY
@@_gonzalitoki there is plenty of information about how not normal her childhood was, I don't know where you're drawing these conclusions from.
@@_gonzalitoki baby her family threw her in the industry when she was a child. They have ALWAYS been abusive.
5:49 Im shocked there isn't automatic medical reevaluations for the duration of a conservatorship.
Given how many rights/freedoms you lose in this arrangement, there needs to be significant, continuing justification to warrant it. Given the justification would be dependent on current circumstance, I don't see how you could claim a valid justification without periodically reevaluation the current circumstances.
Totally agree!
There's supposed to be, but when the conservator has the right to pick the doctors, unless someone petitions for court appointed/impartial physicians, you're working with a stacked deck.
EXACTLY!
Funny considering they are constantly reviewing the condition of people who are permanently disabled and receiving disability benefits. It's almost as if the system is designed to line the pockets of the most powerful people.
Well said !!
I have been to court recently and had to speak to a judge about a restraining order and the abuse I was going through. I had said that I was more afraid getting the RO than not (now I’m glad I did it). And I was right-even with the order he was worse than before it. I was speaking fast and with a shaky voice because I was terrified that I would forget important details and that no one would not believe me- allowing this person to be with me even though I was worried I would end up dead. You can hear her voice shaking because she is so scared to say this, KNOWING she has more to be scared of after doing what she knows she needs to do. She has to deal with her team after exposing them to the world. My heart goes out to her and i sincerely hope that her speech being made public helps her. She deserves her life. This poor woman.
Absolutely, so brave and such a terrifying thing to do!! Good for you for being able to talk to a judge about that, I do some pro bono work helping people get restraining orders and man it is not easy for anyone
Right! Her nervousness and quick speech is very understandable in the circumstances.
It’s very normal to be scared when speaking to a judge. She seems like she’s reading something she’s written. That’s very common with both unrepresented people and baby lawyers.
It blows my mind that there was never a plan to rehabilitate her or to make her more independent. There was never a plan to help her improve. They just wanted to keep her in this permanently dependent situation. But she can make millions on tour and release albums and fragrances which is crazy.
What sickens me that Sam never told Britney she could filed petitions to end all this
Everyone is saying "Lucky" or "Overprotected" is scary - but, I'm with you - she's being treated like a CIRCUS ANIMAL. This makes the entire album, ESP the song Circus, so fucking scary to me. What an absolute public humiliation move from her team. "All eyes on me in the center of the ring just like a circus." SICK!
You mean toxic!
She also intentionally wanted to be filmed in an animal cage during the music video because that's how she felt (I don't think Jamie allowed it but she talked to the director about it)
The scary thing is Lucky was literally her second album. It's like we was feeling the pressure and control even back then. No wonder she went off the rails so so severely. She was controlled from being a child, she was suffering from a divorce, probably PND and excessive pressure from consistent harassment from the paparazzi. Who wouldn't snap under the pressure? It doesn't mean she is still in the same state of mind now. Even if she has bipolar, set on by that distress, many people live normal lives with the appropriate medication. There is no reason why Britney needs this level of control 13 years later..
circus, work bitch, the domination tour and so on. Their mind is so twisted and evil to make her sing such things being in the situation she's in.
"Im a slave... for you..."
I hope Britney Spears gets her freedom.
Iris shutup
Wow, as a nurse I can’t believe they demeaned this well spoken, talented woman as “incapacitated” . This is so sad 😢
weird to think she was in this conservatorship when she was on the x-factor. If you watch those episodes she's competely sane, competent and capable adult. no idea why she'd be in a conservatorship.
True. But you know, I thought she looked kinda sad and vulnerable most of the time during that show. Was it just me?
@@NCarreira I kinda get what you mean,, always felt that she has been a victim of the worst parts of the industry and to play judge and encourage more innocent performers to chase their dreams by entering that same industry… I might be reading too much into it but I thought she saw herself in them, when she was just starting out and hadn’t had the worst of it yet
@@NCarreira well wouldnt you be sad if you were stuck in a conservatorship you didint wanna be in?
@@cj2130 probably the only time was that ONE TIME 14 years ago. It's sickening how they used one (absolutely understandable) breakdown to deprive her of her basic rights.
Brittany was denied her human rights in court, again, despite public outreach.
She’s been treated like a slave for 13 years, just give the woman her life back! It is hers to live, not her fans and certainly not her family’s.
She was a slave ever since her parents decided it was okay for her to be a child star. It started out so wholesome. Then, she was a prisoner as an adult. It's so fking dumb. I hate it
Her eyes tell She was living in hell
@@呀你可 she’s stronger than I am. I would have suicided.
Haha just her song. She's a slave for us. Damn did that come back to bite her
I hope Britney could sue for her money back from her parents.
Not just her parents, her siblings live off of her too. #FREEBRITNEY
That money has been spent, but her father definitely deserves jail time.
He should be forced to work for 13 years and give her the majority
I totally agree with you
R3d Ros3s agreed
What kind of evaluation does a conservatee have to go through to prove what? That you can dress yourself, eat, pay your bills, buy groceries.and follow a schedule? It’s hard to believe Britney wouldn’t be able to care for herself. She seems eloquent, good memory and her statement made a lot of sense to me. She wants to live her life. Have a family. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist, or do you? Also mistakes are normal. I do them every day!
She is evaluated by a psychiatrist. They assess her psychological state and write a report to the court. She obviously has not satisfied the court appointed medical experts that she is of sound mind.
@@almac9203 She sounded coherent, eloquent, her memory of events accurate. I can’t imagine what kind of questions she would fail….
@@almac9203 they're not court appointed, they're court "approved," which only means that they're certified medical professionals. Jamie is the one who picked the psychiatrists. Without someone actually petitioning for a court APPOINTED psych, they take the word of the conservator. Her second eval, after the original petition, might have been court appointed, but that was 13yrs ago when she very likely was not mentally well enough to take care of herself. She's had extensive therapy and medication in that time, so there's sufficient reason to believe, especially with her recent statement, that there's been significant improvement since then. However, when her dad is the one filing paperwork with his cronies backing up his claims that she's still "incapacitated," no one is batting an eye; and unless there's actual proof of collision or that he's paying anyone off, it's all completely legal.
@@Amarianee exactly if you wave enough money in front of someone and the ullure of treating a hot celebrity you can get someone to say almost anything. Plus she definitely has some mental health issues but it doesn't look like they've helped her but made it worse to justify their actions 😭
@@Amarianee OMG, what a great and thorough response. Thank you for taking the time to explain. Now, it makes a lot of sense. It’s a “legal vicious cycle”. And -just like Britney didn’t know she can appeal to end the c-ship- it will take a miracle for her to be told what you just explained. Unless … maybe her boyfriend starts helping her? Ughhhh…. Thank you so much! 🙏
Being a disabled woman in America, this scares me and makes me cry. My mom is someone who was severely mentally ill. Misdiagnosed and lived her life in fear. I’ve grown up with lupus and had to learn how to be independent and dependent at the same time. I’m almost 30 and I’m terrified I won’t ever be able to live a life on my own terms completely since I’m dependent. And I don’t have any type of conservatorship yet I can relate. I’m just lucky my family didn’t do this to me or my mom.
And don’t even get me started on the misogyny and sexism towards disabled women specifically both in heterosexual relationships and in everyday life. It’s maddening. I’ve tried to commit sui*ide once. I’m impressed she’s still here. I’m proud of her for that. Thank you for the break down.
Sending you a cyber hug 🤎
Sending you lots of hugs and love ❤❤
❤️
I hope she wins this battle, it clearly seems like she is being abused, you can literally see the signs of metal stress on her face. It is so upsetting. Hopefully one day she can become a voice/activist for people like her that do not have the same status: ie: Disabled, elders, children, who are being abused by this system. We need laws to be changed in order to protected these vulnerable people.
i'm one of those. the disabled one. i'm barely hanging on. new tomb raider movie and possibly game is keeping me alive right now. the people that don' t know me think i have everything and i'm spoil and selfish. but in reality. i just want to live my life. i want to leave my grandma house and live my own life but the health insurance was like "you want freedom, it will cost you everything". i have no choice. if i leave and my disability acts up the next day. how am i going to pay my bills? i couldn't get a job when i was teen and i still can't get a job. they told me "you can work. do the job that we give you but you will lose your health insurance. " how does that make sense? so if i do everything you told me to do, i will still lose at the end? so when i heard about Britney situation.....i knew right away. but the only differences is i'm not rich like Britney (but even with money, she still can't get out) , she is being abuse by the system AND her dad. i'm just being abuse by the system and stuck with my narcissistic relatives who think they know everything and love making me feel guilty. my grandma makes me feel guilty every chance she gets and i'm like YOU put me on this system. what do you want me to do? i wish i can sue my family and the government. American freedom my azz.
@@CLRaider I don't understand how this happens. NAMI is useless too. How bout apply for section 8 or public housing? Apply for food stamps and if you see a case worker ask her if she can help you move into independant living and have a coach? I've seen it, cause I'vee been a coach. You can get a job too! It's unhealthy for you not to have a job. Start there, goodwill salvation army get kick backs for hiring the disabled and everybody gets to keep their check. Do you know how much money you get each month cause you should. Your basic rent should be no more than 30% of your gross income.. do the math and start asking for bills if you can. Chances are very very good they are using you to pay the rent, I see it all the time.
@@CLRaider those liberals at DHS love it when you say, I just want to try to be more independant. You need to try to find someone to be your payee, good luck with that. That's the crux of the issue you have now.
A lot of people are forgetting that IUDs aren't supposed to be in place longer than a few years depending on which one is in place. I had a friend tell me she had one in for 8 years but if she kept it in any longer, she wouldn't be able to conceive after that so she had to take it out. Yes, what Brittany is going through is forced sterilization. She's already at an age where pregnancies can be high risk. The courts need to move quickly on her behalf.
I went through some traumatic stuff at 17 and had a horrible mental breakdown to the point of hospitalization. I'm so glad my family helped me instead of imprisoned me.
Seems like Jamie Spears may be in need of a conservator of his own. Addiction? Breakdown? Assault? Incapacitated? Surely he can't live on his own. Britney should petition the courts for control.
I’d sign that petition. I sincerely hope each and every person gets investigated thoroughly and are required to pay back every red penny they made off of her.
He should be in effing JAIL.
I keep coming back to the fact that Ms. Spears has been able to make millions and millions through her performance work over the years while simultaneously being allegedly unable to care for herself and her estate. That seems like a major red flag to me, as an outside observer. Thanks for your insight on the various facets of this issue!
Sounds like Jammie Spears needs to be under a Conservatorship
100 f n ( percent )
The father and managers need to be locked up and monitored.. give that back to them .
Yeah, called the *federal penitentiary*
@@DeborahAnneWeber LOL
They prob drugged Brit to sign the fn monstrous conservatorship ( code for slavery ) in the first place.
You have no idea how much awareness you are bringing to the disability population. As an individual who has family with both developmental disabilities and mental illness, I really appreciate your interpretation of these issues. Disability rights and ableism are nowhere enough talked about. This can be seen when there isn’t easy accessibility to a public entrances for people in wheelchairs or the lack of adaption to older buildings. Thank you so much for bringing this up ❤️🌈😊
Absolutely!!! I know I definitely have blind spots when it comes to disability rights so I’m happy to do some work to shed light on the issues!
She's been silent for too long. Glad she finally spoke out and I hope she regains her freedom back. The world owes her.
The thought of her not being able to escape this conservatorship is heartwerntching.
It breaks me man I hope she does. 😔
She can’t make zero decisions, but she can Work for them..
If the judge had any morality and a sliver of ethical thinking they would end it.
How long is someone considered “incapacitated “ in the state of California.is working full time & supporting her family considered incapacitated? If she was collecting SSDI for being “ mentally incapacitated “, she COULD NOT collect SSDI!
That is so true. Anyone who is on SSD can not work or they lose the SSD benefits!
Excellent point
@@marilynv6224 actually we can work, but if we make over a certain amount, yes, the disability is reevaluated and the checks stop. Obviously she is capable of supporting herself and making too much for disability. So the work argument still has merit, but it is false to say people on disability cannot work at all. I sell plants sometimes, but since i only make $200 a month or so, it does not affect my disability (SSD).
Geez, if it takes a couple breakdowns to get a conservatorship, then. . . what? I guess 90% of genuinely vulnerable, wholehearted, and trustworthy humans should have one. GASLIGHTING is what this is: not help. She should have been offered therapy a long time ago--that probably would have saved her and helped her postpartum depression. And her poor kids, too.
I hate men like this. Gross.
its disability rights issue for sure but its also a misogyny problem. you know that most of the people controlling and profiting off her are entitled men, from her father to the judge they see her as a silly girl not a grown adult
Right it’s horrifying! I’m in such shock, considering everything she went through I can’t believe this is legal.
Exactly.
Celebrity Men like Kanye West and Charlie Sheen both had meltdowns publicly...but they were still allowed to have children and spend their own money!
They would never put a male celebrity under a Conservatorship 😡
@@MaleOrderBride sad I didn’t even think of the misogyny in all of this…..you’re totally right.
Yea, it is super gross. I have pretty bad depression and anxiety and had a mental breakdown this past year where I was contemplating suicide. It was so bad that I couldn't go to work because I would just break down crying. Getting out of bed took all I had. But I got help and am doing better. So what....because I had a moment of struggle I could be put in to a conservatorship??? Britney had the misfortune of being famous and having her breakdown publicly. What she needed was support and help not to be put in a conservatorship that clearly just adds stress to her life with how much control it has and being publicly mocked. How is she expected to be better under these conditions.
Just makes me so mad.
The helplessness and rage people under the control of conservatorships must feel is unimaginable. I'm hoping Britney and others trapped in this exploitative system are freed and that the system is extremely regulated and controlled or abolished all together.
Without the right to bodily autonomy, the whole structure of human rights just begins to fall apart. It's the lynchpin that holds our sense of humanity together, and eroding it for the few will almost invariably threaten it for the many given enough time.
1000%
The fact that she can still do tours and work .... she’s competent enough.
The truth!
No it's not. You guys clearly don't know what depression or being suicidal is. Just because she can tour, doesn't mean she's better.
@@jamespope7669 ???? Ah yes because it totally makes sense for a conservator to go “you can’t buy your own groceries but go on tour immediately after leaving a mental hospital” /s. Even if she did have mental issues, the conservatorship is clearly bogus and not for her own well-being. It’s very clear to see.
She is totally competent. They need to remove this conservatorship. This is disgusting that this is being allowed. She supposedly unstable yet she is making them millions by working . I hope her judge isn't bought like many. Brittany gets 2000 a week to spend .. I wonder how much they are pocketing monthly. Her whole family just uses her for her money. They could care less about her. It's truly sad. I hope she sues them all and wins her life back.
Leeja "I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer" Miller is here to give us the TEA and is looking FIRE while doing so, and during Pride month? YASSS
@Sarah right? She's simply existing during pride. This wasn't a pride related video
Everything about this comment makes me worry for the state of modern society.
Nobody cares that it’s pride month
@@noeldee9236 people should care that it's pride month.
@@kikibirdball 😂where’s straight month at ? This has nothing to do with pride month !
Reproduction is a fundamental right; explicitly and implicitly speaking. No man, or person, should have any right or control of another persons body 🤬
IT’S 2021! WHAT “FREE” WORLD ARE WE LIVING IN?!
I can’t believe there’s actually laws that allow this. If such a situation is necessary, it should be strictly delimited in time and scope.
Agreed!
And regulated with a damn microscope. It shouldn't be left to the discretion of the conservator to prove the mental capacity of the conservatee, it should be the courts assigning physicians to evaluate the person from the get go. There should be stringent laws and regulations in place for something as serious as completely stripping a person of ALL of their rights
@@Amarianee yes!
That for me is the worst part. She did have a very public mental health breakdown, and I'm sure she needed all the help she could get for a little while. But then to keep her locked down for the next 13 YEARS because of it?? And in the meantime she is able to be one of the hardest working entertainers in show biz, but not have free access to her own money?? This sort of thing makes it harder for ANYONE to get help when they need it. The threat of extreme stigma and being infantilized/controlled by the medical and justice system is very real. People will suffer instead of getting help and risking damage to their autonomy. What's the point of a conservatorship if noone is truly looking after her best interests.
Honey if this would be happening to all citizens of America you be damn sure that there would be a civil rights movement and maybe a civil war in this country.
Thank you SO MUCH for centering this video around disability rights!! There's been such a media circus with this, and it's so important to remember this isnt just a Britney (or rich actor) thing.
IF THEY WOULD ALLOW HER TO GET MARRIED she would not have to 'prove' that she needs help on a day-to-day basis to live her normal daily life.
Her _husband_ would be there for her and their future child(ren), and she's wealthy enough that he never has to work (to support his family) again!
There is a reason she’s not allowed to get married
Britneys boyfriend Sam has given lots of hints about whats really going on even calling her dad a dick on insta I think they don't want her to marry because it gives someone outside the circle access to stuff they don't want anyone to know he's basically a Trojan horse for the fanbase and anyone else who wants the conservativeship to end
He families been spending all her money for thirteen years I hope she’s still wealthy
I think Sam sign a paper to be scrap goat
I was approved for disability while pregnant and I remember having a meeting with my case worker just after my daughter was born that was very disturbing. She made many comments about me having a child and then after took away an extra allowance that I was getting each month to encourage breastfeeding. Don't even get me started on that. I called her supervisor and told him about it and he looked into it and the extra money was put back on my check. However I never was told if there was any discipline action taken or anything more. I was given a new worker.
Wow, just wow, some people shouldn't be in the jobs they are in 😡 I'm glad you called her supervisor, I'm sure she got some extra 'training'
The whole situation is insane. Conservatorships should have to be consistently reevaluated by a team of doctors to determine their necessity. It should not be on the person inside of the conservatorship to prove their ability. The conservator should have to prove the conservatorship needs to continue biannually, all hearings should have the person present, unless they are physically unable to be present due to physical disabilities that limit their movement. I’m curious if any states have good, strict, conservatorship laws.
*Should* being the operative word. They're supposed to be, but corrupt conservators and lazy courts have resulted in minimal to no oversight. It's the conservator's job to have medical evals done, no actual requirement for a court appointed physician to do the evals, and no requirement for conservatees to be present at any hearings. Courts are _supposed_ to do home checks as well, but as far as I can tell, none of them are random. Anyone that's had a corporate job can tell you, when you know corporate or a health inspector is coming, you make sure your shit is immaculate for that visit. The system isn't broken, it's flat out stacked against the individual. It's basically a case of, "we really don't have time for this, so can you just make sure your shit is in order so we don't have to go through the lengthy process of questioning this? 'kay thanks."
Not having the conservatee attend hearings has always been one the logical flaws in the system that infuriated me. It’s been ruled that They aren’t required to attend the hearing establishing the conservatorship (or be notified in due time) because they can contest the conservatorship afterwards...but then they don’t have to attend any hearings after that either because you don’t have any rights and your conservator or lawyer can decide you don’t. It’s bonkers corrupt
i heard conservatorship is being renewed and another evaluation is being done everytime. I think lawyers juudges and those doctors are paid under the table
I think it's ridiculous that Britney has to prove to doctors she's fine. It shows, that the situation would be wrong only if she was healthy which is bullsh*t, disabled people also deserve autonomy. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE 100% HEALTHY TO HAVE POWER OVER YOUR BODY!!!
Absolutely- who the hell is perfect in this world??
I agree. Obviously she is well enough to go make the money! This makes no sense to me.
Isn't it surprising to anyone how little her estate is worth considering all her albums and years and years of work? They enslaved her and used her.
Came here to say this. If kanye West is nearly a billionaire, britney should definitely be a billionaire.
Bc they using up her money.. b4 all this happened she was worth 200mil and that was early 2000s
@@Outrageousevil2010 wow this is terrible.. i’d kill these people if they ever touch my money.
As someone with disabilities, I wish there was more available for resources and assistance that didn't involve giving someone control over your life. I still live at home because I lack the physical ability to take care of everything myself (like making food and remembering to take what I need to is the biggest problem) but I still have to get my parents to do things, yet in some areas, they legally aren't allowed to book appointments for me or order things without being considered a legal guardian like a conservator. It's so hard to navigate especially where I go situationally mute.
Under the law everyone's innocent until proven guilty, even recidivists so why can't people be "capable" until proven otherwise? For me it would be logic that if she asked for the conservatorship to be over the burden of proof should be on the people saying she needs the conservatorship not on her proving she doesn't need it anymore...
That would make so much more sense!!!
It seems as though people under a conservatorship like this wind up having to “prove a negative,” per se. If you have all these people working against you and you’ve been deemed incapacitated, how the heck are you supposed to demonstrate it’s no longer needed when those with the power over your situation dismiss you due to said incapacitation?
It’s so wrong that this ever happened to her.
Bingo. This is the most coherent concise post of someone understanding it that I've seen in a LOT of threads. That right there is the problem. And when you're as rich as Britney, your conservator also has the power to pay people off to say whatever they want them to say (allegedly).
I doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the financial gain is obscuring the minds of those benefiting. It’s obvios! Especially in a case like this. It should immediately raise the judges eyebrow… Who oversees the judges? The attorney general? How could this be intervened?
@@Amarianee … with the conservative’s money!
@@marionsiempre7417 everything is with the conservatees's money. Paying the lawyers (Jamie's too), paying the conservator, paying for general expenses, paying for mandated treatment etc. Everything. So, if he so chose to pay anyone off, it's be on her dime.
@@Amarianee This is one of the components of conservatorships that I find to be so incredibly predatory. Along with the fact that these medical/mental health professionals could easily be paid off to continue profiting off of the incapacitation status. It’s enraging. I’m sure there are situations where conservatorships are beneficial but I can’t fathom how this could be one of them.
It’s horrifying she has an IUD in she doesn’t want - but to be really clear, we don’t know that she initially got it against her will. She may have wanted it at one time, but now isn’t allowed to have it removed.
I believe Britney referred to it as an “ID”. If i’m correct and she doesn’t actually know what it’s called, i’m willing to bet she never agreed to getting it in the first place.
More than a iud the most choquing is that she is a prisoner she has zero freedom how horrible
@@callmeskinnypls I noticed that. I don't know if it was just a catch in her throat, or if she possibly thought it was "ID" because intrauterine is one word. From everything she said though, it _seems_ like it was placed without her consent. There's no way for us to know for sure, short of her saying so, but it sure feels like that. Regardless of who had it placed, most are really only supposed to be in for about 10yrs max. It varies, depending on which one she has, but the whole thing is disturbing nonetheless.
It doesnt fucking matter, she should be allowed to decide whatever she wants to do with her own body
Maybe she put it in of her own accord but I'd think not. They only last about 5 years so it would've been put in when she had no freedom.
Post-partum is a really bad mental illness. My niece went through it, thank God everyone got through it alive. I would never believe how bad it could be till after seeing my niece suffer. She was literally off her rocker. BRITNEY DESERVES HER FREEDOM. SHE IS PERFECTLY FINE NOW.
If she had no money there would be no Conservatorship, no one would care what she did. They just don't want to lose their cash cow
I think Britney also deserves a tremendous amount of respect. Because her resilience is incredible. She was abks to bear this for 13 years. Something like this would lot of people break. Big respect. ❤
may i ask how a judge can make such a decision to take someone's freedom away and not even hear from the person in question? even criminals get to be heard before their freedom is taken away. shouldn't the judge have known better and doesn't that make the judge or judges accomplices?
Probably. Spears family is rich so they probably did have some kind of bribery going on
That's why so many people are saying the court itself needs to be investigated.
disabled people are often treated as subhuman. its even legal to pay us less
Check out the movie on Netflix called I care a lot. It’s about this
Your absolutely correct. Britney should have an appeal and take it to the highest court in the land federally.
She should be able to turn things around considering the amount of money she pays these ppl, which is freaking ridiculous
The problem is, these people are making money from her. The conservatorship ends, the gravy train ends.
@@spudgun1978cant wait for that to happen.
This whole story just breaks my heart
I sincerely hope Britney sues her "father" and "mother" and they get passed around in jail forever...
Her brother in law making a statement about how much they love her made me so angry. He would say that since his wife has been granted control of her estate when she dies! I just don’t trust the family and I feel like she has been wronged for most of her life by them.
Exactly. Their definition of “love” must be control and abuse
I would just like to add in regards to people deemed disabled essentially being sterilized: statistically disabled people have a high rate of being sexually abused. If they are sterilized it takes away one potential piece of evidence to prove abuse. Just some food for thought.
Omg horrifying
Like the lady in vegetative state in a nursing home that became pregnant. She was non verbal and couldn't tell anyone of the abuse that probably went on for years. The staff didn't even realize (supposedly) that she was pregnant until she gave birth. DNA caught the rapist. Sad.
It's all about money. Daddy should stand down. If she can tour and dance like that then she has it all together. Free her and her money Daddy.
That picture of her with her boyfriend is heartbreaking, I can sense how hurt she is and you can even see it in her face. She sounds competent and intelligent enough to want to be free. What’s the worst that could happen? She’s happy, with control of her finances and her life?! I hope she gets the justice she deserves🤞🏻
Britney also had a documentary in 2009 during the circus era but they suppressed it. She was very honest in it
I would love to hear your take on how these issues of paternalism and lack of privilege affect survivors of domestic violence caught in these systems (police, emergency departments, shelters etc) that offer inadequate to harmful interventions (at least in rural America) which usually fail to actually empower victims/survivors to seek legal justice and medical help (eg. injuries only qualify for victims compensation if police bother to file charges and many elect not to and defend abuse as free speech or unprovable even with severe injury). Loved this. Thanks, gal!
100% I've watched my stepmom suffer severe domestic abuse with no recourse. Police have been called multiple times over the years, by different people, but since she won't press charges, nothing happens. They've been "together" for something like 20yrs at this point. My father's a manipulative POS and in that time, he's managed to take her license, her job, and custody of her kids. He's convinced her that she has nothing without him (which, unfortunately, isn't a complete lie since her mother's also a POS), so she's been resigned to her fate for a long time. I've tried to help, but when someone is that far down the twisted rabbit hole, there's not much 1 person can do. Haven't spoken to him in about a decade, but I know they're still together from other family members.
I was thinking exactly the same, this is basically domestic violence! So sorry to hear about your mum, feels sad seeing something but knowing that everything is bound by laws, documents, courts and faff when the situation is really obvious and that person just needs help.
I was wondering, could her sons testify for her? They're 15 and 14, are they old enough? Because I remember reading something about the eldest saying terrible things about his grandfather.
Nope. They could potentially address the court in a status hearing, like Britney, but that's at the court's discretion. The judge could just say no. They could, potentially, hire an attorney to file a petition to end it, but that wouldn't be until they were 18. Unless someone involved, like her attorney, mom, or dad, files a petition to end it, it's pretty much dead in the water. At this point though, the judge could actually listen to Britney and order court appointed physicians to evaluate her outside her father's control, but again, that's up to the judge.
@@Amarianee Thanks.
@@Amarianee Wow. When reading things like this, I thanks more to be living in Argentina. Here, even when 18 still is majority, from 13 you have the right to be heard and the judge has to comply and take your voice as serious as the one of an adult.
Actually you somehow remind me of Jenna Marbles, is this just me?? 😂😂
Honestly I loved when Britney shaved her head. I thought that was punk rock. I was really confused when she dropped off the face of the earth. Then when all this came out in the past couple years, I realized what happened. That would have been amazing if she had gained autonomy, like Madonna, and Gaga, they do what they want. So I really look forward to a future where Britney does work she actually wants to do.
When it comes to obscene amounts of money, people will manipulate the situation to their advantage. I hope Britney gets unbiased doctors m so she can finally prove to the court that she can live freely. She deserves to enjoy the fruits of her labor. She's been working so hard for other people. Those people, well they need to "work, bitch".
Someone should investigate that judge.
It’s so sad that if it wasn’t Britney Spears…we wouldn’t hear about this abuse. Let her go!! Let her live her life :(
Actually.... in 2009 she wasn't heard....they had more recordings of her mentioning her dad threatening her. it took a looooong time for this. 💔
Hey voice sounds so sad and broken.. im in tears over here..
Thank you for making this video! Hope she gets justice.
Everyone deserves a second chance, when you know they have recovered! Britney did not commit murder! I pray she gets to have control of her life! 13yrs being controlled. Give her life back please.
@@LynnNicoleGat10T 🤣😂🤣 angry much!
33 dislikes are bad lawyers and Jamie, Jamie Lynn, Lou Taylor and her loser friends, the judge, plus everyone who did wrong to Britney You aren’t going to win she will be free even if we have to save her ourselves
Jessica Kelgren-Fozard's channel is really good for learning about disability issues.
Not Brittany related but was mentioned: As someone who did Public record research and retrieval for 6+ years I would be super interested in a video regarding public record access
Britney should also research who called the paparazzi to let them know where she was gonna be every single time (family, managers) and suit them all. It was all a plan to make her think she needed protection and to make her feel insecure.
So sad brittneys circus she wanted to be in a cage and then in Miley’s “Can’t be tamed” the same management let her break out of a cage… it’s like a slap in the face.
So the burden of proof of competency is on the conservatee? That is so messed up.
#freebritney
It would be great to see conservatorships be completely time bounded and the need of mental evaluations to be performed by psychiatrists nominated exclusively by the courts and not the person seeking conservatorship.
Someone close to her, should really consider calling adult protective service! For Brittany sake, they might be able to help undo the conservatorship
What makes you think that adult protective services will help when children protective services fail all the time. They only get involved after the fact when a child dead. After that when the story dies off they go back to being unaccountable.
Wow...and she literally sang a song called "I'm a slave for you."
And circus, and you better work b*%#… It’s messed up that they chose titles like these for her 😖
Also Lucky
“But she cry, cry, cries in her lonely heart…”
It’s almost as she created her future with her own words.
That song was released in 2002 though, 5 years before her conservatorship happened. But maybe the words in that song did have something to do in attracting that into her life
@@MW-ob8jm Yes. I wonder if the songs she sang before her conservatorship had anything to do in attracting that into her life. The songs that talked about being a slave, crying in her lonely life, etc,. Words have so much power ..
Also thinking her parents have been treating her like a slave her whole life, she was finally free at 18, just to turn around and get caught in a conservatorship. It's tragic.
Disabled people should be your authority on disability rights. There are disabled lawyers. Also consider disability rights organized run by disabled people such as the Autistic Women and Nonbinary Network.
Thank you for your willingness to learn.
Brittany’s dad is a horrible person. He definitely should be removed from the conservatorship.
He should be put in jail