I assume they are arguing the worst Best Picture, not the worst Best Picture snub assuming you think Shakespeare in Love is a better film than Crash. Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction or The Shawshank Redemption is pretty bad and I like Forrest Gump.
Well, to be fair, a lot of social issues were touched upon using "ham fisted" methods at the time Crash came out. Or at least, most popular media did. They all bashed us over the head with a message (like Crash) rather than give us thought provoking, nuanced stories (like, say, Do the Right Thing.)
No matter who wins , the voters often have a stake in further ticket sales . “Best” has little to do with it , its either : needy for ticket sales , agenda, greed , personal favorite of someone with “fringe taste”
The worst part of Crash is when the racist cop (Matt Dillon) who initially stops and frisks the Black married couple (Thandiwe Newton, Terrence Howard) and finger r*pes the wife, BUT gets a redemption plot at the end after saving the same woman in a car crash 🤮 Like seriously… wtf
Vertigo and 2001: A Space Odyssey weren't even nominated for best picture but they are consistently ranked among the greatest films ever made. This just goes to show that we dont remember films that *win* awards. We remember films that *deserve* awards.
I was glad that silence of the lambs winned by huge at its year as a compensation for call the snub Hitchcock, the master of thriller, got from the Academy
A far more controversial choice would have been to give the acadamy award to Cronenberg's Crash in its time. Now that would have been worth experiencing.
2nd time it has happened to Spike Lee too. Do the Right Thing lost to Driving Miss Daisy, Do the Right Thing was not even nominated. It pissed me off because during that Oscar season Spike held his tongue with Green Book too. He did not want to comment on that movie because after he did with Driving Miss Daisy, he and performances in his movies were ignored by the Academy on so many great projects (Malcolm X, Jungle Fever, 4 Little Girls, and Inside Man).
BlackKklansman 100% didn't even deserve to be nominated. Spike Lee should have won for Do The Right Thing and that's it, everything he's done since that has paled in comparison.
'Saving Private Ryan' (a movie that's been added to the National Film Registry & is widely regarded as the greatest war movie ever) losing Best Picture to 'Shakespeare In Love' will always be the Oscar's biggest embarrassment.
Problem was the thin red line also came out that year and that split the votes for saving private Ryan. Which meant Shakespeare in love had a higher proportion of votes when separating the 2 war movies
The Oscars aren't perfect, but while I acknowledge the points made by this video, they have also gotten it right many times. The Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay is important as it highlights original films in Hollywood and internationally.
"Many academy members [...] admitted they didn't watch 'Brokeback' before voting." This alone completely invalidates the awards in their entirety. Having watched all the candidates before the vote should be a mandatory prerequisite of any valid vote. Without such a rule being enforced, the vote means absolutely nothing.
Not everyone back then wanted to watch degenerate smut, but that's no longer the case in 2024. Now HollyWEIRD will vote a movie as best picture precisely because it is about a black, transgender muslim woman in a wheelchair.
A few years ago, the movie "Never Rarely Sometimes Always" lost any chance to be in the Oscars because some members wouldn't watch a film about abortion. Like the Grammys, they're an absolutely joke of an award. They're a celebration of the most vanilla, saccharine and demagogue art ever.
It's impractical but I think there should be awards ceromonies taking place ten years after a certain year so it can be really measured how a film has impacted pop culture and influenced filmmaking.
Is it strange that, without seeing what film this was in the thumbnail, without even having seen the film itself, I knew what movie you’d be talking about prior to clicking?
I didn't think it should be "Crash" because there are other films in other years either in my youth or before that which were worse choices. Is "Crash" over "Brokeback Mountain" really a worse choice than "My Fair Lady" over "Dr. Strangelove (or: How I Came To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb)" or "Oliver!" over "2001: A Space Odyssey"?
2005 was one of those years where none of the Best Picture nominated films was worth a tinker's damn. Why not Crash, then? At least it caused the Academy to finally give Matt Dillon some love after 20 years of ignoring him.
The academy never votes for superhero movies for the best picture. A lot of film snobs there who look their nose down on them. The only film of that genre to even get nominated was black panther a few years ago.
And I ESPECIALLY agree about animated films getting snubbed! They didn't NEED a 'Best Animated Picture' category, they just needed to acknowledge the power of animation! X (
Yes, I was hoping that this would be the infamous Best Picture Disaster. Crash has mostly faded out of most people's memories, while Brokeback Mountain is still fondly remembered today.
I don't know what the decision-makers were thinking about having Crash win Best Pictures. Yes, the themes that the movie explores themes like racism and racial profiling(both issues that are very important to address), but there are other movies that explored those themes better. Brokeback Mountain was basically about discovering your sexuality even if it meant being isolated from your community and hurting the people you care about. Even 19 years after its release and 16 years after Heath Ledger’s death, people still remember both of those things and I pray we don't see a remake because Heath was one of those actors like River Phoenix who drew in you through their aura.
Honestly for me it's the opposite. 'Crash' left an indelible impression on me, and still hits me hard to this day (no pun intended). I've watched it probably three times now and it grips me every time the woman has to be pulled out from under the car by the same guy who abused her. So many of the scenes and characters stick in my mind. 'Brokeback Mountain' on the other hand, for me, I watched it when it came out and the only thing I remember about it now is that the acting was great and it was a western romance with the twist (for the time it was a twist) that the romance was homosexual. All these years later and literally nothing else about the movie remains in my memory, which I suppose is why I've never been inspired to give it a second viewing... It really surprises me that 'Crash' seems to have gone out of fashion.
‘The Dark Knight’ not being nominated for best picture was criminal. Since then I lost interest in movie awards. Also, Nolan not being nominated for best director for Inception was unforgivable.
I tried to rewatch Crash as an adult and wow is it ham-fisted with its message. I couldn't make it through the first 30 minutes. It was one of those movies that felt deep when I was 16.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Some good movies have anti climaxes. Capote is one of them. People wanted one thing but they got another. It's like when The Grey came out and everyone thought it would be Taken with wolves. Then it turned out to be a lot more quieter and quaint. Didn't stop audiences in theaters turning against it
I only remember being disappointed with Munich and why even bother with capote..the kind of film critics say they love so as note to be invalidated by the snooty intellectual crowd.
I remember 10 or so years ago I watched Crash in order to help a friend to complete a homework, without the knowledge that it was an Academy Award Winning movie. I couldn't believe what I saw, I'm not American but the way the movie handled the topic of racism and prejudice seemed so exaggerated, cartoony not very natural, etc. I couldn't believe it won Best Picture
Brokeback Mountain is the best go-to to quash any argument that viewers are trans/homo-phobic towards modern movies. No, we are not. All we want is a good story, not a "check-all-the-social-boxes" story. Hedwig and the Angry Inch is another great example of telling a story of characters who are gay or trans, but the viewer doesn`t care, cause the story is so amazing. Gay, straight, trans, all female, whatever...I don`t care!! Just tell me a good story rather than force feeding me "the message".
Yes but at the time, you can't claim that the viewer was ok with it.. western society has progressed a ton over the last decade and new generation of adults are far more accepting. To the extent that when some TV show reveals a character as gay, it barely registers as a big deal. But at the time, there was a ton of resistance and shock whenever a story introduced an LGBTQ character.
I actually really liked Crash when it came out but I was very young and had no idea what would be considered an "oscar" movie. One day I'll rewatch it and reassess.
I really noticed that this year, I definitely liked Oppenheimer a lot when I watched it in theaters but I was kinda taken aback by how much I loved the holdovers or poor things and it seemed like everyone was in a consensus that Oppenheimer was just “the best movie” without even acknowledging some of the other awesome different films this past year. It’s weird that people decide which piece of art is better like it’s an objective thing.
I get upset every time I remember animation isn't given respect by the mainstream media. Animation is one of the greatest forms of art and entertainment to ever exist. It's such a shame that it's looked down upon. Animation isn't just for kids. And animation is just as impressive (if not more impressive) than anything done in live action or CGI
I was 14 when crash came out and even then I found it basic. I hated it, I remember getting progressively angrier further into the movie, bc I felt like I was being treated like an idiot. On the other hand, I remember watching brokeback mountain in the theater with my mother. It was uncomfortable and weird, not only bc I had to watch a gay sex scene with my mom at age 14 (😂) but also because I had never watched homosexuality being portrayed so honestly and unapologeticaly in film before. I didn't know how to feel but I knew I was watching something special, thought-provoking, and most importantly; Good. It's an experience I'll never forget. That's what an oscar-winning film should do to you.
"Driving Miss Daisy" beat out "Born on the 4th of July", "Field of Dreams", and "Dead Poet's Society" - all of which were much better. That gets my pick for worst best picture. At least with "Crash", it was much better than Miss Daisy.
I stopped watching the awards altogether when Zootopia won the 2017 Best Animated over Kubo and the Two Strings. It was clear the voters had not watched both films. One was a largely forgettable story that kinda botched it's own message, the other pushed the boundaries of it's own medium.
“Every year”? What about “Spirited Away” and “The Boy and the Heron”, two masterpieces by Hayao Miyazaki that deserved their wins? I also think “Shrek”, Finding Nemo”, “The Incredibles”, “Ratatouille”, “WALL-E”, “Toy Story 3”, “Rango”, “Inside Out”, “Zootopia”, “Coco”, “Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse”, “Toy Story 4”, “Soul”, and “Encanto” all deserved their wins in their respective years (even “Luca” was my personal favorite in 2021).
The green book is genuinely trash lol, its the epitome of everything wrong with the white savior trope. Im sick of seeing real life stories about minorities being adapted into films where the focus is shifted onto white characters, and the minorities are simply there to help with their character development lol Edit: nvm i see what youre saying. I thought you were saying the greenbook was snubbed before i finished the video, i didnt even know that won best picture holy shit
My mom accidentally took me to see brokeback mountain in theater when I was 9. She kept my eyes covered almost the whole movie and was laughing about it for a long time.
The soundtrack to Brokeback Mountain was also hauntingly beautiful. Important and powerful movie. Also, the whole "Oscars so White" is a disgustingly racist and segregationist notion. Reversing racism doesn't undo the past. Is it inconceivable that some years, a black actor doesn't deserve to win an acting award? Judge people on talent, not the color of their skin. It's that simple.
It was so in the past. I saw Raisin in the Sun and The Defiant Ones in the 50s when a young teenager and was so taken in the raw courage of the films .. esp. Defiant Ones. Still too much for so many whites to see. I went to an elementary school that was 70% black, rest Hispanic except for a few 'white' kids like me so watching the films and vaguely reading the reaction was a bit puzzling for me.
I mean 1948 was the year of the Heiress so Raising had no chance with that actress over OdH. Also that was the year of All the King's Men. Yeah that movie was way more technical. Very detailed. And that factors in wins as well.@@josepha.r5839
The fact stays, most people know of or watched Brokeback Mountain, it gave one of the best performances for the actors in it, and not a lot of pf people even know about Crush🤷 especially beyond US
I saw "Brokeback Mountain" for the first time last year (2023) and it was almost unbearably heartbreaking!! It was heartbreaking in 2005, and it will remain heartbreaking in 2065 and beyond. "Brokeback Mountain" will stand the test of time. I've never seen "Crash" and have no desire to.
Difficult to see, indeed. Still haven't seen it other than when in theater. Too painful for me. Too many I knew who were, as young men, in the same closed world of fear.
Its kinda funny that I have never watched Brokeback Mountain but I know about the movie, the premise, the actors, and the positive reviews. As I was watching the video and he mentioned Crash I had no recollection of watching a movie named that. Once I saw Sandra Bullock, Ludacris and Michael Pena I realized that I did watch this movie and have forgotten everything about it since I watched it 2 years ago. Very much a forgettable film.
Brokeback Mountain was a genuine and beautiful film. Ledger and Gyllenhaal both giving absolute banger performances was icing on the cake. Crash was condescending and preachy. And with its boatload of talent, underwhelming.
Let me break it down for you Barney style. Voters receive screeners in the mail and vote according to their preference. “Giving” it to saving private Ryan would go against the whole individual vote.
In 1981 the best picture winner was "ordinary people" not "elephant man" who remembers "ordinary people" even by name (no I'm not talking about john legend's song) ? Btw, redford also won best director award over lynch That the way it goes. I'm fed up with people always saying crash didn't deserve its victory, shakespare in love didn't deserve its victory and so on... dont blame the player, blame the game. And let's think a little bit, what is more important, winning an award or earning money (people going to see a movie in theatre) when you win a award it's a good ad to attract studios & others inverstors in your future projects. When you make money in theatre it already is.
I was just a young teen then but I saw both films that year and loved them both. I have to say that Ordinary People was one of my favorites of all time. Saw it a few years ago and and it was just as good as I remembered it.
I also loved Ordinary People, and was so moved by the acting, especially, the young fellow, played by Timothy Hutton. I still have a copy of this great movie, but definitely a tear jerker. I thought Redford's direction was very good. I also saw Elephant Man, another powerful film, but much later, and didn't know it had been released at the same time as OP.
Timothy Hutton (Best Supporting Actor), Donald Sutherland, Mary Tyler Moore, Elizabeth McGovern, yes, I remember "Ordinary People." "Norma Rae" was an excellent film that year also.
Slumdog Millionaire is infinitely worse but no one ever mentions that. Crash is a good movie, everyone just hates it because they think they're supposed to
Agreed. Crash is a very good film and it’s not a crime it won. I’ve seen more undeserved wins than that one. As for the argument that it’s not in the public consciousness, that’s something unfair to hold against any film. Like who can make that call anyway?
@@reasonabledoubt6908 I remember parts of that movie, mostly because I was sort of forced to watch it (long-ish story that can boiled down to an ex-husband who had a tendency to not ask if I wanted to go to something for which he had already bought tickets).
There's "Slumdog Millionaire".....even Indians don't like it...except the song. And there was "Reader, Frost/Nixon, Milk and Benjamin Button for competition
Oh man, that movie. Hamfisted doesn't even begin to describe it. The actors could have just as well pulled out a white board, turned straight to the camera and started a two hour long lecture. The writers decided to just abandon any kind of subtlety all together. I don't know if it was an "artistic" choice or a prank or both...
@@josepha.r5839that’s certainly not a good enough reason for broke back to win over crash.. both movies dealt with equally important subject matters what we trying to say here?
I stopped believing in Oscar-Hype after the Out of Africa win. I felt like the Color Purple drew me into each character and made me feel what they were feeling. It was a story about love, family, tragedy, reunion & redemption and it beautifully illustrated all those aspects in a cohesive & compelling movie. Whereas I fell asleep during Out of Africa and had no desire to try to watch it again even though I love both Streep & Redford as actors. It was big-time BS that it won over the Color Purple.
My wife dragged me to Out of Africa and I actually liked the movie. However, I felt the Color Purple should have won best picture. It was a better movie.
I think its lets politically charged than people make it out to be. The weighted way that the Oscar votes are tallied will always push for a “safe bet” or a “strong #2” over the more striking, controversial, or groundbreaking films. If even 5% of the voters decide that Broke Back Mountain is too controversial it’s enough to make it lose.
My Dad (He worked in a movie store) once said when I asked him about if Shakespeare in Love (Saw it referenced in a show, never watched it) deserved an Oscar, he said, “No, Saving Private Ryan deserved it… [Skip some dialogue] Crash didn’t deserve its Oscar”
Not being apart of the “culture” isn’t a big dis for Oscar movies. Name the movie winner from 1993? Or 2002? You really can’t (Unforgiven. Beautiful mind). While good movies, they aren’t apart of the culture. Most have complained for years that the English man shouldn’t have won. Oscar movies are just for Oscar’s but the real movies are the ones that last.
Fact is that ultimately the choice is arbitrary. The voters don't select from every film released that year. They select from a short list submitted by the studios. The studios in turn don't necessarily pick the best film they've produced. They may select something they think has a chance of winning or based on some internal agenda. They also take steps to influence the judging. But even without such the final voting is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion about what would be the best film in any particular year and many times it will be something that was not even nominated.
Forrest Gump was an instant classic, Pulp Fiction a cult classic. Both are unforgettable and very well crafted films, but I'd say that FG pushed all the right buttons thematically and emotionally speaking, the way Forest is so easy to relate to, etc, a perfect Oscar pick without being Oscar-Bait. Films like Pulp Fiction don't need Oscars.
That award show is more of a dog and pony show than an ACTUAL DOG AND PONY SHOW. My own list of a few films that were never nominated/didn't win best picture: Goodfellas Uncut Gems Whiplash Giant (James Dean film) Tarantino Films thus far
This shows why Best Picture should be the BEST picture - a cinematic masterpiece that will echo in popular culture. A recent example is 2022's Everything Everywhere All At Once - totally forgettable and not the right choice, especially given the presence of All Quiet On The Western Front.
I don't know about you but I'm in sync with this generation and everything everywhere all at once is still quite popular because of it's unique story much more than all is quiet in the western front that was even a remake
Although I do agree with your analysis, that was 2006. Race trumped sexuality at that time, whereas now I'd argue sexuality largely trumps race. But let's be honest here, this was not as bad as Shakespeare In Love beating out Saving Private Ryan.
Disagree. Notwithstanding that Brokeback was wonderful and has aged better, Crash was an important film for its moment. And it was more subtle than you make out, subverting the stereotypes it sets up in the first act. Think of Matt Dillons awful racist character, whom we then get to see caring for his sick father and feeling for him rather than hating him.
Are you serious? Do you honestly think that abusive people are terrible all the time to everybody? They are abusive to those they have power over and can get away with. Plus you can feel for someone because they are dealing with things and still hold them accountable for their racist behavior. Should no who abuses power be held accountable because they love their parents? The ZOI is going to blow your small mind.
"The Defiant Ones" is really hokey, heavy handed and obvious. Nobody watches it anymore. People still watch Vertigo and "Touch of Evil" from that year. The Color Purple lost because of protests by the NAACP and resentment towards Spielberg among the Hollywood community.
You guys we have to remember not to look at this through a modern-day lens. We were just beginning, as a culture, to accept the notion of homosexuality in media. However, the issues of race had been coming to a head for a long time, and the movie crash, as simplistic and hackneyed as it may seem in 2024, was a breath of fresh air in regards to those topics.
What I can say is this last night Godzilla Minus One winning the Oscar for best VFX (but we all know it’s best director as well) was the best choice going forward in the industry
The other Crash should’ve won an Oscar. The Cronenberg one starring James Spader about people who have a fetish and get off from violent car crashes. It took me so long to even find the movie on DVD anywhere because every store that listed ‘crash’ as in stock only ever had this one and not the cronenberg one.
1952: The Greatest Show On Earth over High Noon and The Quiet Man. And the most memorable film of that year, Singin' In The Rain, wasn't even nominated. 1956: Around The World In 80 Days over Giant, The King & I, and The Ten Commandments. And the actual best movie that year, The Searchers, was even nominated. 1973: The Sting, a fun little caper film, won over The Exorcist, one of the greatest horror movies of all time. 1981: Chariots Of Fire, a forgettable Olympic racing pic more remembered for its score than anything in the film, won over Raiders Of The Lost Ark. 1982: Gandhi, an overblown biopic , won over The Verdict, Tootsie and freaking ET!!!! 1989: Driving Miss Daisy won over Field Of Dreams and Dead Poets Society while Do The Right Thing or Glory weren't nominated. 1990: Dances With Wolves won over Goodfellas. Seriously. 1998: Shakespeare In Love wins over Saving Private Ryan 🤦🤦🤦🤦 I could go on. The point is, there were some just as bad if not worse in Oscar history. Saying this was the absolute worst is hyperbole....
Heck, this goes all the way to the beginning, when freaking _Citizen Kane_ lost best picture to some other long forgotten movie nobody cared about because of politics.
Shawshank couldn't get arrested when it was released. It became the most popular movie rental at blockbuster and of course cable TV took advantage of it.
I don’t think so. I wanted Shawshank to win, but Forest was a good film too. You can’t know what film will have a more lasting effect on the culture. That’s unfair.
Cause Hollywood love stories sbout simplified racism. Makes them feel better about racism and the system that allows it. That's why people's love the help and green book too
This had me until it started to pander. Out of Africa and Gigi were never frowned upon as black eyes to the Academy. The only BP winners that raised questions of the Academy's credibility were Around The World In 80 Days, Shakespeare In Love, Crash, and Green Book. There's no consistent outcry that The Defiant Ones was snubbed. The Color Purple might be the only one worth mentioning but Out of Africa wasn't unworthy itself. You see the common theme here with the films you're advocating for? There's more. Driving Miss Daisy is a heartfelt movie that may not have deserved its Oscar win but it didn't take anything from Do The Right Thing. DTRT wasn't even nominated for Best Picture or Director. It got 2 nominations and won none. How can it be the film that was robbed? Glory was a much better film that took home 3 Oscars and it wasn't even nominated for Best Picture. If people want to advocate for movies that were not in contention in 1989, why not talk on behalf of Glory? Because it was made by a white director? And Blackkklansman wasn't Best Picture worthy. They are lucky to win for screenplay, which was undeserved. They probably feared further backlash if it lost. Roma was the film that was robbed, cleaning up the most Oscars that night but lost to Green Book. Make your argument without pandering, or stop believing the lie. I don't know. But what you're arguing here is based off the lies you believe, taking away from what could've been a healthy discussion.
There's A LOT of complaining that Annie Hall beat Star Wars, A Beautiful Mind beat The Lord of the Rings, those as well as Shakespeare in Love/Saving Private Ryan and Crash/Brokeback Mountain seem the most frequent.
Oscars dont really mean anything to anyone other than to the people who actually win it. The vast majority of the best movies I have ever seen were not nominated at all for an oscar, and the ones that were, didn't win any.
The takeaway discussed at the end is apt. The Oscars may not actually be awarded to the most deserving. But it gives a platform to movies that would otherwise only be seen by selective audiences.
Greenbook was very well acted by the leads but was just another “racism is bad, mmkay. Don’t do it, mmky” flick. Like Bill Burr says “how many times you gonna make that movie ?!”
A Silent Voice was snubbed so hard for best animated film and I will never get over it. It wasn't even nominated! And it was really good and popular! It's literally just because they think animation is for kids and basically ignore foriegn animation altogether.
My boyfriend, my best "gay friend", a really close female friend and I went to the cinema to watch Brokeback Mountain on the day of its release. I don't have enough words and time to explain how many acts of disgust and homophobia we experiences in that cinema... to the point we even had quite an arguement... it was 2005... Now, at 38 years old, I am so happy we've come such a long way!!! But there's so much more work to do.
Personally, I think 'Everything Everywhere All at Once' shouldn't have even been nominated, let alone deserve to win the Oscar. It's a good movie with a decent concept, I just don't think it's Oscar worthy. 'All Quiet on the Western Front' and 'The Banshees of Inisherin' were far better movies in my opinion.
Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan is much worse.
I did not know that.. and I was glad 😮 thats a big miss.
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Oof that hurts to read
So does that mean its a bad film though?
I assume they are arguing the worst Best Picture, not the worst Best Picture snub assuming you think Shakespeare in Love is a better film than Crash. Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction or The Shawshank Redemption is pretty bad and I like Forrest Gump.
Crash is the kind of movie you think is crazy deep when you’re 12
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You look 12
Well, to be fair, a lot of social issues were touched upon using "ham fisted" methods at the time Crash came out. Or at least, most popular media did. They all bashed us over the head with a message (like Crash) rather than give us thought provoking, nuanced stories (like, say, Do the Right Thing.)
nobody want to watch gays shagging for 2 hours
No matter who wins , the voters often have a stake in further ticket sales . “Best” has little to do with it , its either : needy for ticket sales , agenda, greed , personal favorite of someone with “fringe taste”
Samuel Jackson wasn’t stunned Green Book won, he was confused because he saw the names of 3 producers before the name of the actual winner.
Yeah thats what it seemed like
…and when the Green Book team went on stage to accept their award, they were literally all old white men 💀
The worst part of Crash is when the racist cop (Matt Dillon) who initially stops and frisks the Black married couple (Thandiwe Newton, Terrence Howard) and finger r*pes the wife, BUT gets a redemption plot at the end after saving the same woman in a car crash 🤮 Like seriously… wtf
@@binaryvoid0101I guess it's worth pointing out that the main writer wrote the movie about his own dad
@@binaryvoid0101 Usually old Jewish men? And racist comments? That Muslims were ... on 9/11. Deniers?
Vertigo and 2001: A Space Odyssey weren't even nominated for best picture but they are consistently ranked among the greatest films ever made. This just goes to show that we dont remember films that *win* awards. We remember films that *deserve* awards.
Give me Once Upon A Time In The West over 2001 any day.
Good point!
Vertigo ... makes me dizzy jus thinkin' about it!
I was glad that silence of the lambs winned by huge at its year as a compensation for call the snub Hitchcock, the master of thriller, got from the Academy
@@stevemcnary7963I understand preference over 2001, but 2001 is objectively one of the most influential movies ever made.
To reaffirm the point of the video - this is the first time I'm learning about 'crash'.
Same.
Every year like clockwork someone makes a video like this explaining Crash winning best picture is the greatest tragedy in the history of mankind.
Yh, me too
You didnt miss anything.
A far more controversial choice would have been to give the acadamy award to Cronenberg's Crash in its time. Now that would have been worth experiencing.
In the Green Book's Oscar year (2019), it was expected that Roma would win, not BlackKKKlansman.
2nd time it has happened to Spike Lee too. Do the Right Thing lost to Driving Miss Daisy, Do the Right Thing was not even nominated. It pissed me off because during that Oscar season Spike held his tongue with Green Book too. He did not want to comment on that movie because after he did with Driving Miss Daisy, he and performances in his movies were ignored by the Academy on so many great projects (Malcolm X, Jungle Fever, 4 Little Girls, and Inside Man).
Nah greenbook was fun
Why? Cause it's black and white? They didn't fall for the bait
Spike Lee just needs to make a great Oscar movie and stop relying on political history to try to boost his movie into contention.
BlackKklansman 100% didn't even deserve to be nominated. Spike Lee should have won for Do The Right Thing and that's it, everything he's done since that has paled in comparison.
'Saving Private Ryan' (a movie that's been added to the National Film Registry & is widely regarded as the greatest war movie ever) losing Best Picture to 'Shakespeare In Love' will always be the Oscar's biggest embarrassment.
Problem was the thin red line also came out that year and that split the votes for saving private Ryan. Which meant Shakespeare in love had a higher proportion of votes when separating the 2 war movies
No way Tom Hanks vs Hitler is the best war movie ever lol it's pure cia slop
I hope you are joking. If you consider this action filled trash "the greatest war movie ever", you might wanna watch less holywood in your free time.
@@joseanibalsantacruzamanzo2202 run along, little troll (and your sockpuppets)
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or an actual sincere comment. Tom hanks??? Have you ever watched Apocalypse Now??
The Academy Awards in general are WAY too overhyped.
They exist practically just to make people disagree with them.
No this comment does
@@blackguyofthesouth2161 no your comment does
The Oscars aren't perfect, but while I acknowledge the points made by this video, they have also gotten it right many times. The Academy Award for Best Original Screenplay is important as it highlights original films in Hollywood and internationally.
"Many academy members [...] admitted they didn't watch 'Brokeback' before voting."
This alone completely invalidates the awards in their entirety. Having watched all the candidates before the vote should be a mandatory prerequisite of any valid vote. Without such a rule being enforced, the vote means absolutely nothing.
Not everyone back then wanted to watch degenerate smut, but that's no longer the case in 2024. Now HollyWEIRD will vote a movie as best picture precisely because it is about a black, transgender muslim woman in a wheelchair.
Until recently in some categories you couldn’t vote unless you went a screening. The three Shorts categories from memory
Problem is .. how do you enforce that? One big movie person said he gave the ballot to his teenage kids who did the voting.
That's nuts
A few years ago, the movie "Never Rarely Sometimes Always" lost any chance to be in the Oscars because some members wouldn't watch a film about abortion. Like the Grammys, they're an absolutely joke of an award. They're a celebration of the most vanilla, saccharine and demagogue art ever.
Crash is the reason the phrase "Oscar bait" came into use.
The Oscars are too worried about people reaction to the winners and not enough about films
I don't think its that anyone.
The thing is they can't satisfy everyone and art is subjective
@@jeffersonhassan4558 unfortunately no one will listen to you bcs people too blind on hating each others opinion
Except when they're not worried enough, like Shakespeare in Love winning ;)
Jack's reaction in the beginning is pure gold!
It's impractical but I think there should be awards ceromonies taking place ten years after a certain year so it can be really measured how a film has impacted pop culture and influenced filmmaking.
I like the way you think
Love this idea!
That would make a good feature on a RUclips channel
Yes, bcs it took 10 years for ppl to realize Interstellar is actually masterpiece
@@BFG-hv2ml Interstellar is complete and utter nonsense!
“How Green is My Valley” over “Citizen Kane”. Like, do I really need to explain?
Roddy McDowall, always screwed out of his deserved Oscars. :(
You do!! Because no one has heard about those movies😅😅
@@salmanALI-to3qh You never heard of Citizen Kane? Have you been living under a rock for the past 80ish years?
Never heard about these movies
Btw I'm 21
@salmanALI-to3qh this is truly a Citizen kane of bad comments
Is it strange that, without seeing what film this was in the thumbnail, without even having seen the film itself, I knew what movie you’d be talking about prior to clicking?
There's a whole lot of complaining about Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan, Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas too.
1951 Best Picture "Greatest Show on Earth" over "High Noon"
Those are from 1952, but I totally agree.
1952, but yeah. In fact, out of all of the nominations “Greatest Show” deserved it the 5th most.
How did that movie win? We don’t know. It also got nominated over the much better musical and feel good movie, Singin in the Rain.
"Greatest Show on Earth" was one of the weakest Best Picture winners of all time. Still better than Crash, though.
@@Lexivor It also has one of the lowest scores on Rotten Tomatoes for a Best Picture winner. What in God’s name were people smoking back in 1952?
Saw the title of this video and was like "gotta be Crash"
That thing was a tv movie at best.
Same
I didn't think it should be "Crash" because there are other films in other years either in my youth or before that which were worse choices. Is "Crash" over "Brokeback Mountain" really a worse choice than "My Fair Lady" over "Dr. Strangelove (or: How I Came To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb)" or "Oliver!" over "2001: A Space Odyssey"?
2005 was one of those years where none of the Best Picture nominated films was worth a tinker's damn. Why not Crash, then?
At least it caused the Academy to finally give Matt Dillon some love after 20 years of ignoring him.
ehh, definitely not. Crash was an awesome movie and I highly recommend you see it.
Shakespeare in love?
Exactly, this was a much better example for this video than Crash.
@@fthooper14so real. Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan and The Matrix is absurd.
@@Ez-Boi23 Life is Beautiful, too - if you haven't seen that movie, it's incredible and worth a watch
@@weston407 I’ll watch it! I’ve been wanting to!
@@Ez-Boi23 it’s amazing - so many emotions packed into one movie - you’ll love it - make sure to watch the original Italian language version
I think two of the biggest Oscar snubs are these: Liam Nelson in Schindler's List and The Dark Knight not at least being nominated for Best Picture.
The academy never votes for superhero movies for the best picture. A lot of film snobs there who look their nose down on them. The only film of that genre to even get nominated was black panther a few years ago.
The Dark Knight was awful.
The Dark Knight is the reason why there are now 10 nominations for Best Picture...
@@theboxingboy7422 Maybe it's because most of the 'superhero' movies are pretty lame.
The same year as Dark Knight, The Wrestler was also snubbed.
And I ESPECIALLY agree about animated films getting snubbed! They didn't NEED a 'Best Animated Picture' category, they just needed to acknowledge the power of animation! X (
Yes, I was hoping that this would be the infamous Best Picture Disaster. Crash has mostly faded out of most people's memories, while Brokeback Mountain is still fondly remembered today.
I don't know what the decision-makers were thinking about having Crash win Best Pictures. Yes, the themes that the movie explores themes like racism and racial profiling(both issues that are very important to address), but there are other movies that explored those themes better. Brokeback Mountain was basically about discovering your sexuality even if it meant being isolated from your community and hurting the people you care about. Even 19 years after its release and 16 years after Heath Ledger’s death, people still remember both of those things and I pray we don't see a remake because Heath was one of those actors like River Phoenix who drew in you through their aura.
I mean Munich or Capote were the next best films, not Brokeback Mountain
Fondly remembered by whom? It had less cultural permanence than Avatar.
Honestly for me it's the opposite. 'Crash' left an indelible impression on me, and still hits me hard to this day (no pun intended). I've watched it probably three times now and it grips me every time the woman has to be pulled out from under the car by the same guy who abused her. So many of the scenes and characters stick in my mind. 'Brokeback Mountain' on the other hand, for me, I watched it when it came out and the only thing I remember about it now is that the acting was great and it was a western romance with the twist (for the time it was a twist) that the romance was homosexual. All these years later and literally nothing else about the movie remains in my memory, which I suppose is why I've never been inspired to give it a second viewing... It really surprises me that 'Crash' seems to have gone out of fashion.
@@gabrielseanwallace3979i think art is subjective,I connected much more with brokeback mountain than crash despite being a black man in America
I'm not surprised you mention Crash.
I feel like script was made for a play, but somehow became a movie.
I have it on dvd and bluray.
Agreed, listening to some of the dialogue I couldn't help think "man, people don't really talk like that. This feels written."
What's a dvd?
Jack Nicholason's reaction says it all. 😂
I think the real reason for the upset was it’s an ensamble cast (friends vote) and an LA movie
‘The Dark Knight’ not being nominated for best picture was criminal. Since then I lost interest in movie awards. Also, Nolan not being nominated for best director for Inception was unforgivable.
I tried to rewatch Crash as an adult and wow is it ham-fisted with its message. I couldn't make it through the first 30 minutes. It was one of those movies that felt deep when I was 16.
You sound like you're still 16.
People talk about Brokeback Mountain but why does NO ONE talk about Munich or Capote? Those two movies should have voters salivating.
Capote...I was so hyped. 3/4 into it... _Well, is anything going to happen? No? No? No!!!! Damnit. I want my money back._
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Some good movies have anti climaxes. Capote is one of them. People wanted one thing but they got another. It's like when The Grey came out and everyone thought it would be Taken with wolves. Then it turned out to be a lot more quieter and quaint. Didn't stop audiences in theaters turning against it
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Phillip Seymore Hoffman did win best actor
I actually liked capote better than brokeback crash Munich and goodnight and good luck. I am a rarity loved Capote.
I only remember being disappointed with Munich and why even bother with capote..the kind of film critics say they love so as note to be invalidated by the snooty intellectual crowd.
How did I know this was gonna be about Crash before even clicking on the video
Same
Because they do it every year.
It’s the cliche example. I’m not a film buff, but I’ve heard about crash over and over from RUclipsrs in the last decade.
It's main cultural impact is that it didn't deserve to win Best Picture
Dear God, the clips of dialogue from Crash are so Razzie worthy.
I remember 10 or so years ago I watched Crash in order to help a friend to complete a homework, without the knowledge that it was an Academy Award Winning movie. I couldn't believe what I saw, I'm not American but the way the movie handled the topic of racism and prejudice seemed so exaggerated, cartoony not very natural, etc. I couldn't believe it won Best Picture
it is a terrible film
Disagree
well it did come out in 2006
it reminded me of American Fiction lol
Brokeback Mountain is the best go-to to quash any argument that viewers are trans/homo-phobic towards modern movies. No, we are not. All we want is a good story, not a "check-all-the-social-boxes" story. Hedwig and the Angry Inch is another great example of telling a story of characters who are gay or trans, but the viewer doesn`t care, cause the story is so amazing. Gay, straight, trans, all female, whatever...I don`t care!! Just tell me a good story rather than force feeding me "the message".
Yep!
Good point. Many people outside homophobic USA asked me, so 'Brokeback Mountain' has 2 gay cowboys. OK, but what's the story?"
Yes but at the time, you can't claim that the viewer was ok with it.. western society has progressed a ton over the last decade and new generation of adults are far more accepting. To the extent that when some TV show reveals a character as gay, it barely registers as a big deal. But at the time, there was a ton of resistance and shock whenever a story introduced an LGBTQ character.
I actually really liked Crash when it came out but I was very young and had no idea what would be considered an "oscar" movie. One day I'll rewatch it and reassess.
2:48 you forgot to mention the Screen Actors Guild Awards!
SAG only awards actors so it wouldn’t apply to Best Picture. 😉
LOL, no that would be Crash that received top honors at the Screen Actors Guild Awards. Brokeback went home empty handed my guy.
What about the ultimate snub, Plan 9 from Outer Space!
lmao
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Right up there with Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and The Terror of Tiny Town.
The original Razzie-worthy movie!
The idea that one movie is the “best movie” is ridiculous anyway. Different movies tell different stories and that elicit different responses.
DUH! OBVIOUSLY! ALL COMPARISONS OF ENTERTAINMENT ARE IDIOTIC STUPID GARBAGE!
It's not ridiculous
its inherently subjective but it isnt dumb
I really noticed that this year, I definitely liked Oppenheimer a lot when I watched it in theaters but I was kinda taken aback by how much I loved the holdovers or poor things and it seemed like everyone was in a consensus that Oppenheimer was just “the best movie” without even acknowledging some of the other awesome different films this past year. It’s weird that people decide which piece of art is better like it’s an objective thing.
Most movies are still pretty comparable though, you have to get to really high levels of great to where it is hard to compare them.
I get upset every time I remember animation isn't given respect by the mainstream media. Animation is one of the greatest forms of art and entertainment to ever exist. It's such a shame that it's looked down upon. Animation isn't just for kids. And animation is just as impressive (if not more impressive) than anything done in live action or CGI
I was 14 when crash came out and even then I found it basic. I hated it, I remember getting progressively angrier further into the movie, bc I felt like I was being treated like an idiot. On the other hand, I remember watching brokeback mountain in the theater with my mother. It was uncomfortable and weird, not only bc I had to watch a gay sex scene with my mom at age 14 (😂) but also because I had never watched homosexuality being portrayed so honestly and unapologeticaly in film before. I didn't know how to feel but I knew I was watching something special, thought-provoking, and most importantly; Good. It's an experience I'll never forget. That's what an oscar-winning film should do to you.
"Driving Miss Daisy" beat out "Born on the 4th of July", "Field of Dreams", and "Dead Poet's Society" - all of which were much better. That gets my pick for worst best picture. At least with "Crash", it was much better than Miss Daisy.
Yeah i think the animation pictures get super hard screwed every year on the oscars
I stopped watching the awards altogether when Zootopia won the 2017 Best Animated over Kubo and the Two Strings. It was clear the voters had not watched both films. One was a largely forgettable story that kinda botched it's own message, the other pushed the boundaries of it's own medium.
Puss in Boots:The last Wish should have won best picture, and Paddington 2 a few years before.
@@thelastowlbear8110Zootopia was copaganda.
“Every year”? What about “Spirited Away” and “The Boy and the Heron”, two masterpieces by Hayao Miyazaki that deserved their wins? I also think “Shrek”, Finding Nemo”, “The Incredibles”, “Ratatouille”, “WALL-E”, “Toy Story 3”, “Rango”, “Inside Out”, “Zootopia”, “Coco”, “Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse”, “Toy Story 4”, “Soul”, and “Encanto” all deserved their wins in their respective years (even “Luca” was my personal favorite in 2021).
Wall-E is a masterpiece.
Chicago over The Two Towers or Green Book even being nominated is also a joke.
You know they were wait for the third movie to give the oscar.
The musty side of center really doesn’t like the green book.
The green book is genuinely trash lol, its the epitome of everything wrong with the white savior trope. Im sick of seeing real life stories about minorities being adapted into films where the focus is shifted onto white characters, and the minorities are simply there to help with their character development lol
Edit: nvm i see what youre saying. I thought you were saying the greenbook was snubbed before i finished the video, i didnt even know that won best picture holy shit
Explain this “joke” I’m curious.. it be nice to have a subjective conversation if that’s in fact what you meant by “joke” about the green book..
@@201hastings If you're so far off that you think Green Book is a better dissection of racism than BlacKKKlansman, there's no point explaining to you.
Clearly, the Academy has a bias against directors named Lee.
Including the one who won Best Director that year and then again? Yeah, sure.
or Leigh, as in Mike Leigh
You’re acting like it’s a big conspiracy when in fact voters just receive a bunch of screeners and vote on which they prefer.
@@201hastings Actually, I'm joking.
My pick is 1952 "The Greatest Show on Earth" winning over "High Noon" and "The Quiet Man".
Absolutely. Carol Burnett could have lampooned it without changing a word of the script.
Singing in the Rain probably should have been nominated as well.
My mom accidentally took me to see brokeback mountain in theater when I was 9. She kept my eyes covered almost the whole movie and was laughing about it for a long time.
«Accidentally»? Im sure she wanted to see it no. She forgot you were with her? I dont understand
Entering the theater was an accident. Staying there for the entire film was not.
That's also funny because besides that "one scene" in the beginning, do these guys ever go beyond just kissing? 😅
Lol! Like the time I accidentally took a first date to 50 shades of gray when we actually got tix for Jupiter ascending. 😅😂
We left immediately when I realized we were at the wrong screen, and went back for the right one.
I feel like Munich was actually the best film that year and should have won, That's something I don't ever hear, but that is a great film.
Good Night and Good Luck was a good candidate as well.
Munich was average in absolutely every way. The whole year was crap.
@@nl3064 Your opinion. I disagree. Munich was a very good movie.
The soundtrack to Brokeback Mountain was also hauntingly beautiful. Important and powerful movie. Also, the whole "Oscars so White" is a disgustingly racist and segregationist notion. Reversing racism doesn't undo the past. Is it inconceivable that some years, a black actor doesn't deserve to win an acting award? Judge people on talent, not the color of their skin. It's that simple.
It was so in the past. I saw Raisin in the Sun and The Defiant Ones in the 50s when a young teenager and was so taken in the raw courage of the films .. esp. Defiant Ones. Still too much for so many whites to see. I went to an elementary school that was 70% black, rest Hispanic except for a few 'white' kids like me so watching the films and vaguely reading the reaction was a bit puzzling for me.
I mean 1948 was the year of the Heiress so Raising had no chance with that actress over OdH. Also that was the year of All the King's Men. Yeah that movie was way more technical. Very detailed. And that factors in wins as well.@@josepha.r5839
@@josepha.r5839if there was such racism then how did Denzel and Whoopi win in the early 90s?
Never heard of Crash. Only thing I noticed was that it had both Rhodeys in it
Yes you have. But definitely watch it. It's a great movie.
The fact stays, most people know of or watched Brokeback Mountain, it gave one of the best performances for the actors in it, and not a lot of pf people even know about Crush🤷 especially beyond US
I saw "Brokeback Mountain" for the first time last year (2023) and it was almost unbearably heartbreaking!! It was heartbreaking in 2005, and it will remain heartbreaking in 2065 and beyond. "Brokeback Mountain" will stand the test of time. I've never seen "Crash" and have no desire to.
Should at least give it a chance, for the screenwriter also having done Million Dollar Baby and/or Casino Royale.
Difficult to see, indeed. Still haven't seen it other than when in theater. Too painful for me. Too many I knew who were, as young men, in the same closed world of fear.
Its kinda funny that I have never watched Brokeback Mountain but I know about the movie, the premise, the actors, and the positive reviews.
As I was watching the video and he mentioned Crash I had no recollection of watching a movie named that. Once I saw Sandra Bullock, Ludacris and Michael Pena I realized that I did watch this movie and have forgotten everything about it since I watched it 2 years ago. Very much a forgettable film.
Brokeback Mountain was a genuine and beautiful film. Ledger and Gyllenhaal both giving absolute banger performances was icing on the cake. Crash was condescending and preachy. And with its boatload of talent, underwhelming.
You sound condescending and preachy.
@@willpomeroy7711 edgy take.
Shakespeare in Love still ranks as the biggest failed winner of all time in the Oscars. How do you not give that to Saving Private Ryan??!!!
Let me break it down for you Barney style. Voters receive screeners in the mail and vote according to their preference. “Giving” it to saving private Ryan would go against the whole individual vote.
Saving Private Ryan should've won best picture over Shakespeare in Love.
In 1981 the best picture winner was "ordinary people" not "elephant man"
who remembers "ordinary people" even by name (no I'm not talking about john legend's song) ?
Btw, redford also won best director award over lynch
That the way it goes. I'm fed up with people always saying crash didn't deserve its victory, shakespare in love didn't deserve its victory and so on...
dont blame the player, blame the game.
And let's think a little bit, what is more important, winning an award or earning money (people going to see a movie in theatre)
when you win a award it's a good ad to attract studios & others inverstors in your future projects. When you make money in theatre it already is.
I was just a young teen then but I saw both films that year and loved them both. I have to say that Ordinary People was one of my favorites of all time. Saw it a few years ago and and it was just as good as I remembered it.
I also loved Ordinary People, and was so moved by the acting, especially, the young fellow, played by Timothy Hutton. I still have a copy of this great movie, but definitely a tear jerker. I thought Redford's direction was very good. I also saw Elephant Man, another powerful film, but much later, and didn't know it had been released at the same time as OP.
There are still reactors watching Ordinary People on RUclips today and loving it.
I liked Ordinary People. But, over Elephant Man .. which is a remarkable film ... Really?!
Timothy Hutton (Best Supporting Actor), Donald Sutherland, Mary Tyler Moore, Elizabeth McGovern, yes, I remember "Ordinary People."
"Norma Rae" was an excellent film that year also.
Slumdog Millionaire is infinitely worse but no one ever mentions that. Crash is a good movie, everyone just hates it because they think they're supposed to
Rt.who the hell remembers slumdog..? Like it was chose for its quirky memorable title but I don't remember a thing about it..
Agreed. Crash is a very good film and it’s not a crime it won. I’ve seen more undeserved wins than that one. As for the argument that it’s not in the public consciousness, that’s something unfair to hold against any film. Like who can make that call anyway?
@@reasonabledoubt6908 I remember parts of that movie, mostly because I was sort of forced to watch it (long-ish story that can boiled down to an ex-husband who had a tendency to not ask if I wanted to go to something for which he had already bought tickets).
Bologna. That's not even in the same stadium as some other massive misses
Slumdog Millionaire was a better movie than Crash by far.
The Oscars and most award shows are garbage anyway.
And the whole Hollywood industry.
Well yeah, but they are important and influential.
*insert buzz lightyear meme here*
Crash was one of THE movies of its year.
Such a brave and original take! 🙄
There's "Slumdog Millionaire".....even Indians don't like it...except the song. And there was "Reader, Frost/Nixon, Milk and Benjamin Button for competition
I loved Slumdog Millionaire ngl. Great movie. Benjamin Button is up there too
Benjamin Button was awful. My thoughts were like Elaine Benes watching The English Patient: “Stop telling your stupid story and just DIE!!!”
Agree to disagree. Is the kind of slow burn movie that either keeps your interested or lost you from the beginning.
Slumdog Millionaire was an excellent movie.
Two movies that I didn’t understand all the hype over were Lost in Translation and The Birdman.
Oh man, that movie. Hamfisted doesn't even begin to describe it. The actors could have just as well pulled out a white board, turned straight to the camera and started a two hour long lecture. The writers decided to just abandon any kind of subtlety all together. I don't know if it was an "artistic" choice or a prank or both...
I knew it was CRASH before I even saw Jack...😂
I haven’t forgotten Crash. It was highly impact for me growing up.
Same for me as a gay man in his 40s watching Brokeback Mountain. I felt cheated.
@@josepha.r5839that’s certainly not a good enough reason for broke back to win over crash.. both movies dealt with equally important subject matters what we trying to say here?
@@mooney6889 I thought I was clear.
I stopped believing in Oscar-Hype after the Out of Africa win. I felt like the Color Purple drew me into each character and made me feel what they were feeling. It was a story about love, family, tragedy, reunion & redemption and it beautifully illustrated all those aspects in a cohesive & compelling movie. Whereas I fell asleep during Out of Africa and had no desire to try to watch it again even though I love both Streep & Redford as actors. It was big-time BS that it won over the Color Purple.
Out of Africa is one of the worst best picture winners bar none. A boring epic with a stale romance.
My wife dragged me to Out of Africa and I actually liked the movie. However, I felt the Color Purple should have won best picture. It was a better movie.
I think the greatest honor is being nominated. The winners chosen is often hit or miss.
Oscars 2019 gave us Black Panther and Bohemian Rhapsody as Best Picture nominees. The worst Oscars that I’ve ever seen.
Once you realize that the Academy Awards are nothing more than a popularity contest, and in no way honor cinema, you'll be a happier movie viewer.
GREEN BOOK totally holds up. Still love watching that film and the performances are outstanding.
I loved that movie and so did my wife who is hard to please when it comes to movies.
Before watching this video I thought it was either going to be about Crash or Shakespeare in Love winning the best picture.
Everything Everywhere All at Once selected over Top Gun Maverick
Banshees as well
And thats a bad thing??
EEAAO deserved to win
I think its lets politically charged than people make it out to be. The weighted way that the Oscar votes are tallied will always push for a “safe bet” or a “strong #2” over the more striking, controversial, or groundbreaking films. If even 5% of the voters decide that Broke Back Mountain is too controversial it’s enough to make it lose.
My Dad (He worked in a movie store) once said when I asked him about if Shakespeare in Love (Saw it referenced in a show, never watched it) deserved an Oscar, he said, “No, Saving Private Ryan deserved it… [Skip some dialogue] Crash didn’t deserve its Oscar”
Not being apart of the “culture” isn’t a big dis for Oscar movies. Name the movie winner from 1993? Or 2002? You really can’t (Unforgiven. Beautiful mind). While good movies, they aren’t apart of the culture. Most have complained for years that the English man shouldn’t have won. Oscar movies are just for Oscar’s but the real movies are the ones that last.
Fact is that ultimately the choice is arbitrary. The voters don't select from every film released that year. They select from a short list submitted by the studios. The studios in turn don't necessarily pick the best film they've produced. They may select something they think has a chance of winning or based on some internal agenda. They also take steps to influence the judging. But even without such the final voting is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion about what would be the best film in any particular year and many times it will be something that was not even nominated.
I will never get over Forrest Gump beating Pulp Fiction for Best Picture
I think Forrest Gump deserved it,Pulp fiction felt like a story that had nothing to say,I didn't connect with any of the character
Forrest Gump was an instant classic, Pulp Fiction a cult classic.
Both are unforgettable and very well crafted films, but I'd say that FG pushed all the right buttons thematically and emotionally speaking, the way Forest is so easy to relate to, etc, a perfect Oscar pick without being Oscar-Bait.
Films like Pulp Fiction don't need Oscars.
Shawshank should have won
Before seeing the video, my Worst Oscar Win Pick is: Crash.
To be fair Brokeback Mountain is the definition of Oscar bait.
That award show is more of a dog and pony show than an ACTUAL DOG AND PONY SHOW.
My own list of a few films that were never nominated/didn't win best picture:
Goodfellas
Uncut Gems
Whiplash
Giant (James Dean film)
Tarantino Films thus far
This shows why Best Picture should be the BEST picture - a cinematic masterpiece that will echo in popular culture.
A recent example is 2022's Everything Everywhere All At Once - totally forgettable and not the right choice, especially given the presence of All Quiet On The Western Front.
I don't know about you but I'm in sync with this generation and everything everywhere all at once is still quite popular because of it's unique story much more than all is quiet in the western front that was even a remake
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There you go. "Popular".
Everything everywhere and all quiet were both terrible. 2022 was a terrible year for best picture movies.
@@tonyg76 maybe for you because I loved both movies
Although I do agree with your analysis, that was 2006. Race trumped sexuality at that time, whereas now I'd argue sexuality largely trumps race. But let's be honest here, this was not as bad as Shakespeare In Love beating out Saving Private Ryan.
That some voting members didn't even watch Brokeback because of it's sexual nature would mean it would never win with those attitudes at the time.
Disagree. Notwithstanding that Brokeback was wonderful and has aged better, Crash was an important film for its moment. And it was more subtle than you make out, subverting the stereotypes it sets up in the first act. Think of Matt Dillons awful racist character, whom we then get to see caring for his sick father and feeling for him rather than hating him.
The only honest movie Hollywood has made about racism is Hotel Rwanda.
Are you serious? Do you honestly think that abusive people are terrible all the time to everybody? They are abusive to those they have power over and can get away with. Plus you can feel for someone because they are dealing with things and still hold them accountable for their racist behavior. Should no who abuses power be held accountable because they love their parents? The ZOI is going to blow your small mind.
Agreed. Crash has unduly been singled out, and it’s no where never as poor a choice as Shakespeare in Love. Not even close.
Do the Right Thing getting snubbed, was when I knew this award was trash.
"The Defiant Ones" is really hokey, heavy handed and obvious. Nobody watches it anymore. People still watch Vertigo and "Touch of Evil" from that year. The Color Purple lost because of protests by the NAACP and resentment towards Spielberg among the Hollywood community.
I haven't trusted the Oscars since "Killers from Space" wasn't even nominated for Best Picture, 1954. Granted I was a kid....
This video reminds me the Moonlight Gaffe! Ahaha
You guys we have to remember not to look at this through a modern-day lens. We were just beginning, as a culture, to accept the notion of homosexuality in media. However, the issues of race had been coming to a head for a long time, and the movie crash, as simplistic and hackneyed as it may seem in 2024, was a breath of fresh air in regards to those topics.
What I can say is this
last night Godzilla Minus One winning the Oscar for best VFX (but we all know it’s best director as well) was the best choice going forward in the industry
The other Crash should’ve won an Oscar. The Cronenberg one starring James Spader about people who have a fetish and get off from violent car crashes. It took me so long to even find the movie on DVD anywhere because every store that listed ‘crash’ as in stock only ever had this one and not the cronenberg one.
Lmao I was thinking “it has to be fucking Crash” before clicking
Agreed. I remember arguing with many people in my office after Crash won
Did you win
Why? You’re the issue..
I’m happy crash won
1952: The Greatest Show On Earth over High Noon and The Quiet Man. And the most memorable film of that year, Singin' In The Rain, wasn't even nominated.
1956: Around The World In 80 Days over Giant, The King & I, and The Ten Commandments. And the actual best movie that year, The Searchers, was even nominated.
1973: The Sting, a fun little caper film, won over The Exorcist, one of the greatest horror movies of all time.
1981: Chariots Of Fire, a forgettable Olympic racing pic more remembered for its score than anything in the film, won over Raiders Of The Lost Ark.
1982: Gandhi, an overblown biopic , won over The Verdict, Tootsie and freaking ET!!!!
1989: Driving Miss Daisy won over Field Of Dreams and Dead Poets Society while Do The Right Thing or Glory weren't nominated.
1990: Dances With Wolves won over Goodfellas. Seriously.
1998: Shakespeare In Love wins over Saving Private Ryan 🤦🤦🤦🤦
I could go on. The point is, there were some just as bad if not worse in Oscar history. Saying this was the absolute worst is hyperbole....
Chariots of fire is way better than the first indiana jones, i know it's subjective but give some respect
Great point/s. Do the Right Thing not getting ... unbelievable.
This film is a punching bag for every youtuber known.
This along with Green Book.
Green book is actually a really good movie though.
Heck, this goes all the way to the beginning, when freaking _Citizen Kane_ lost best picture to some other long forgotten movie nobody cared about because of politics.
Forest Gump beating Shawshank Redemption is the biggest snub in Oscar history. No question
Well, Forest Gump is a good movie, at least imo
Shawshank couldn't get arrested when it was released. It became the most popular movie rental at blockbuster and of course cable TV took advantage of it.
They're both interchangeably on par with each other, in terms of being schmaltzy populist movies.
I don’t think so. I wanted Shawshank to win, but Forest was a good film too. You can’t know what film will have a more lasting effect on the culture. That’s unfair.
Cause Hollywood love stories sbout simplified racism. Makes them feel better about racism and the system that allows it. That's why people's love the help and green book too
Rich white people in the movie business are the last folk who should determine the best films about race relations.
@@jamesmeow3039They're not white, though.
This had me until it started to pander.
Out of Africa and Gigi were never frowned upon as black eyes to the Academy. The only BP winners that raised questions of the Academy's credibility were Around The World In 80 Days, Shakespeare In Love, Crash, and Green Book.
There's no consistent outcry that The Defiant Ones was snubbed. The Color Purple might be the only one worth mentioning but Out of Africa wasn't unworthy itself.
You see the common theme here with the films you're advocating for? There's more.
Driving Miss Daisy is a heartfelt movie that may not have deserved its Oscar win but it didn't take anything from Do The Right Thing. DTRT wasn't even nominated for Best Picture or Director. It got 2 nominations and won none. How can it be the film that was robbed? Glory was a much better film that took home 3 Oscars and it wasn't even nominated for Best Picture. If people want to advocate for movies that were not in contention in 1989, why not talk on behalf of Glory? Because it was made by a white director?
And Blackkklansman wasn't Best Picture worthy. They are lucky to win for screenplay, which was undeserved. They probably feared further backlash if it lost. Roma was the film that was robbed, cleaning up the most Oscars that night but lost to Green Book.
Make your argument without pandering, or stop believing the lie. I don't know. But what you're arguing here is based off the lies you believe, taking away from what could've been a healthy discussion.
There's A LOT of complaining that Annie Hall beat Star Wars, A Beautiful Mind beat The Lord of the Rings, those as well as Shakespeare in Love/Saving Private Ryan and Crash/Brokeback Mountain seem the most frequent.
Oscars dont really mean anything to anyone other than to the people who actually win it. The vast majority of the best movies I have ever seen were not nominated at all for an oscar, and the ones that were, didn't win any.
The takeaway discussed at the end is apt.
The Oscars may not actually be awarded to the most deserving.
But it gives a platform to movies that would otherwise only be seen by selective audiences.
Shakespeare in love
Crash was a great movie. My mom never let me watch broke back Mountain
Greenbook was very well acted by the leads but was just another “racism is bad, mmkay. Don’t do it, mmky” flick.
Like Bill Burr says “how many times you gonna make that movie ?!”
A Silent Voice was snubbed so hard for best animated film and I will never get over it. It wasn't even nominated! And it was really good and popular! It's literally just because they think animation is for kids and basically ignore foriegn animation altogether.
My boyfriend, my best "gay friend", a really close female friend and I went to the cinema to watch Brokeback Mountain on the day of its release. I don't have enough words and time to explain how many acts of disgust and homophobia we experiences in that cinema... to the point we even had quite an arguement... it was 2005... Now, at 38 years old, I am so happy we've come such a long way!!! But there's so much more work to do.
“Slumdog Millionaire” over anything (2008) - now there’s a joke!
Personally, I think 'Everything Everywhere All at Once' shouldn't have even been nominated, let alone deserve to win the Oscar. It's a good movie with a decent concept, I just don't think it's Oscar worthy. 'All Quiet on the Western Front' and 'The Banshees of Inisherin' were far better movies in my opinion.