Square Enix has confirmed that the franchise isnt going anywhere, but they're busy working on a few very large projects so it's unlikely that development has even begun on a new Deus Ex title. Who knows though, this universe has people who are constantly working on it.
It must be kind of odd for Adam to know that from now on, through every mic and camera he comes across, he can be eavesdropped by an AI that collects your voice and features in a bank. Then I realised it's 2020. Atleast the AI stalking Adam loves him.
I gotta check and see how i missed this side quest. I usually meticular about finding and completing all side quests and things in this game since most, if not all have an impact throughout the game
>The entity reveals herself as Eliza >Adam retracts his sunglasses and looks longing I get the feeling that there's a deeper connection here that just the fact they both survived Panchea
No I think it was just because they were friends and the dude was gonna die without the Orchid antidote. It'd be awkward for him to leave his shades on the whole time.
Well maybe Miller and Jensen weren't friends (at least not until the end of MD depending on if Jensen saves him or not), but they were college's who respected one another.
Even before playing the side mission, I had this strange feeling Eliza Cassan was different when she was on the news. Whenever she referred to the augment incident, she used the term "afraid" "frightening". She talked about the augmented in a negative way and I'm like she never talked like that before. Now I know why. The REAL Eliza freed herself from Montreal, and the CEO of Picus replaced Eliza with a backup AI.
lol, Same here. I was thinking WTF happened with Eliza? I though we had it sorted out in the last game. And then in mankind divided, she was spewing propaganda and lies.. I'm just re-playing the game, and found out that it's actually explained (to some extent)
in Mankind Divided the Eliza we are seeing is not the Eliza we seen and talked to in human revolution, the real Eliza is free and is trying to make her way to Adam which this aspect of the real Eliza mentioned "Eliza is trying to find her way to you Adam" Plus the Eliza we see in mankind divided as mentioned is not the real eliza and is just a copy. The real Eliza didn't mention negative or fearful feelings of Augs
Theri4444 I recently just got into Deus Ex. I dont mind spoilers...so do we find the real Eliza in this game? I have to know lol I was drawn to her character for some reason she seems interesting
"Do you remember this experience, or were you told it ?" This and the Sarif quest should clearly put more doubts in Adam's mind than it is showed in the end of the game. He should have mentionned his fake coma to Vega.
"That connection is severed. She is not the original her. You, of course, are familiar with this kind of process." How did this NOT set off red flags in Jensen's mind? Also remember the trailer name... Jensen 2.0!
It seems like there's something more between Adam and Eliza. Sad, how the only woman he cares for is an AI. But, well, Cortana x Master chief is a thing, so I'm buying it
Well there's evidence to suggest that this Adam Jensen is just a clone of the real one (who is actually dead) and he is also AI. So Eliza is actually hinting that they are the same now.
Not true, you were not paying needed attention, the question persists is Adam Jensen the one from Human Revolution or clone made for resistance infiltration
@Mohammed also not, there are many facts confirming it but not 100% and it was intentionally made that way, for me it would be great if current adam was a clone and plot of next dx could involve adam jensen 1.0 original one from human revolution now fighting with himself adam jensen 2.0
I have a feeling this side-quest will be the most important out of the rest for the next installment. If you saw the after-credit scene of the game, then Eliza is the best chance for Adam’s survival right now.
@@Fertile_Programnot really hope since insiders at Eidos Montreal have confirmed that they are developing the next Deus Ex game. Embracer is having financial issues but we have not been told anything to contradict that little piece of information we were given. It's a matter of when at this point, not if. I'm expecting a trailer within the next 2 years. Possible release in 2027
The problem is that Eliza has to either die or become Daedalus within the next 23 or so years. I imagine there's going to be one more Adam game to round out the trilogy, and that's when well see the world really start to morph into the Deus Ex one. I'm also looking forward to the inevitable Deus Ex remake.
Reboot is a possibility. It becomes increasingly difficult to connect DE:HR and DE:MD to the original DE with all those new characters that are being introduced (yes I know there is the "kill them all" solution, but I'm a talking about a sane solution to this problem). For example, what is Eidos gonna say about Megan Reed? She went full Illuminati (we all know that she's gonna be revealed to be JC Denton's "creator") then suddenly decided to retire just before DE?
I kind of wish they could just ignore the original Deus Ex timeline and do their own thing. I'm more invested in the Jensen story than I am the original Deus Ex timeline anyway. Though I think if the went that route they'd just piss off alot of fans of the original.
it did go somewere later on in the game ur get a info link call from her and she will blow shit up to help u get pass the cops in the later part of the game
I had a feeling something was wrong with the current Eliza when watching the news. I knew she was an AI from the first game and thought maybe Picus did something to her, just following orders now. When I saw this scene and heard her voice, I literally dropped the controller. Jensen’s reaction was my reaction.
All they need to do is to survive up to the end of the Invisible War, when the Alex Denton helps Paul and JC-Helios to execute their plan and give the entire world unity of an unprecedented scale. Afterwards, Alex and Eliza (and aunt Farida, I guess) are good to go.
i hope this will be picked up in a potential sequel. this dialogue, just the thought of what could happen going from here.. endless possibilities. i dont think the whole package is as good as HR, but the whole "everything is turning to shit, we are at a breaking point" atmosphere in MD is so fucking amazing. not only the world around him, but also the characters are noticeably affected by it
This also adds to the theory that the current Adam is a clone. She says that he should understand what it's like to be her. Also if you clip through the medical container in the Tai Yong Palisade vault, there's a corpse of Adam in it.
Or is just a nod to that Adam has implanted memories and urges that aren't truly his just like current TV Eliza has different urges and memories than the version from Panchea. If the body from Palisade vault is truly of original Adam then her quote of coexisting with other versions doesn't make much sense because you know, his other version ceased to exist. Not to mention that Eidos considers Deus Ex Bible as canon lore and in it having a grown up clone in span of 2 years isn't possible untill at least 2052.
@daniiNL I mentioned the body in the vault in my comment. Read more carefully. But other than since then I catched a lot of other stuff that makes clone theory implausible so I'll copy it there. To start of, successful flash cloning is impossible, at least at this point in the timeline because when JC (DX1) was cloned he was born and grew up to adulthood like a normal human being (JC is born same year Mankind Divided's events take place). Illuminati having cloned Jensen way before is also heavily unlikely because everything related to Adam in White Helix Labs got burned to the ground and Illuminati had no knowledge of Adam before events of HR (there is entire side quest in HR dedicated to Illuminati's goons trying to learn more about Jensen and his past which is really baffling if they have clones of his kept in storage). Also their entire attack on Sarif HQ plan and biochip research that was the main point of HR's plot would make absolutely no sense whatsoever if they had access to every material they needed years before. Another possible argument for cloning is early Universal Constructor, possibly in facility Adam was transported to after Aug Incident as some people suggest. But that's a stretch too because making JC to be born normally, prepare artificially a specific environment for him to grow up in for you to have a loyal, dependable asset is irrational when at least 1-2 years earlier you could make a fully functioning clone that accepts augs like crazy out of thin air, implant him with memories and psychological conditioning that makes him a dependable asset nearly instantly. If it was because they needed to wait for nanoaugmentations to get into desirable state then why not create JC at that moment and implant him with fake memories rather than going in with that costly and time consuming shit of killing his parents, getting him to certain schools, monitoring him for all these years and so on? Another thing also related to UC argument is Dentonian Timeline from design documents of DX1 (www.nanoaugur.net/dx/bible/) that Eidos bases lore of their games on. It goes like this: - 2018: Paul Denton born - 2023: Paul, age 5, selected as test subject, cloned - 2028: Tests on clones show limited success; Paul's mother impregnated with J.C. - 2029: J.C. Denton born; scientists perfect embryonic incubator; additional clones grown over the next 15-20 years - 2034: Experiments begin on second generation of clones (~age 5)... If they had access to UC around 2029 then why didn't they construct Paul's clones for experimentation with it instead of the JC way of waiting years for them to grow a bit? Sounds really... stupid. People cling to DX1 plot inconsistency where various NPCs tell us that he had family, he grew up and so on and in Area51 there are cloning vats (some rooms before Page taunts Denton about his parents so...) but so far lore of Eidos DX games is consistent with Deus Ex Bible making going that route highly unlikely. Paul's birthdate is officially 2018 as in DX Bible too. But even if we go the vat-clone route, on inspection JC's statis directly states that his incept date is 2054 which is impossible as game takes place in 2052. Morpheus AI knows that JC is cloned and straight up tells him that he is 23 years old, no reason for it to lie to him about his age. If Paul and JC had memory implants like Jensen then it would be really stupid for Mj12 to include memories where they both suspected that JC was engineered organism rather than being Paul's natural brother like they intended. Another clue people grasp at is Mystery Augs side quest but we can see in aug menu that basic augs have Sarif logo on them, in Black Light when he wakes up he recognizes his augs and damage they sustained during events of HR instantly. Sarif's "bla bla in Adam Jensen did" line is nothing more than a suggestion that no one bothered to check them because they knew exactly who they are dealing with and nod that TITAN augs installed in him have no identification. Which he pretty much confirms if you ask him further about it. Other clues involve Eliza and her talk about coexistence with other versions of ourselves but since the talk was given in context of memory (current Picus Eliza has no memories, desires and urges that original one has). Better yet other side quest touches on it. Richard from Cult of Personality side quest blatantly tells lines such as "Allow me to suggest something - a version of you. A version that strips away all suspicions, free of the sinister selves we cling to along the way", "they [cultists] have found a better version of themselves..." and some other ones. In Harvester side quest Daria Myska also talks about different version of herself. It all leans more into mind alteration thing rather than cloning. In Prague there is a magic shop called Negozio di Magia in which is a fortune teller machine that after paying 250 credits says one of several lines. One of these lines is "Some version of you is perfect. You are not her". Notice the 'her' in it, it can't be clone. Add earlier paragraph of the talk about versions to it. It is kind of far-reaching speculation but if MD Adam is a fresh clone with implanted memories of original one with some bonus ones added to it then wouldn't that be strange that he is able to sense that something is not right, that some memories seem alien to him in Black Light novel and kind of in Criminal Past? If anything all memories should seem alien to him or not a single one should because all of them are implanted. So in light of all that Adam being a clone would be one of the biggest asspulls in the history of asspulls, maybe ever. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. One thing that remains is body in vault but to be honest it could be anything. Notice that it is purposefully made hard to see what the heck it really is without using 3rd party programs or glitches. But ignoring all that, the body might be failed attempt at flash cloning, it might be a decoy ready to be deployed in case Jensen's mission is compromised and Illuminati need to hijack him, some kind of lab grown 'living' material left for study (after all Jensen's medical capabilities are still valuable which Orchid and aug testing shows) while the 'donor' is on his mission to neutralize Janus. Anyway in light of what's above MD Jensen being functioning clone or the thing in vault being a functioning clone/original one is very unlikely.
I was really glad to see Eliza again in this side-mission. One of my favorite characters of HR and MD. Also kinda cute how she likes Adam. And so many questions about her and how she became the way she is now..
So many fucking amazing mysteries and awe to this video game series. I simply can't get enough of it. I was listening to a song that made me think of this moment with Adam and Eliza and reminisced on the echelon IV system (Morpheus) from the original Deus Ex. We need to finish Adam's story.
Sort of! In the secret Picus Vault you can find an Email between Bob Page and Morgan Everette saying that Eliza was based off of the Morpheus Project. Just Google "Deus Ex Morpheus" if that doesn't ring any bells. Morpheus does tell JC that he's a Prototype of a Larger system, obviously referencing the Daedalus and Icarus AI's.
Nope! Have you done the Rainbow Swan Quest? Look for the "Libuse Apartments", and on the left side you'll find an apartment with a Rainbow Swan logo on the door. Don't go in there, but go into the apartment ABOVE the Rainbow Swan, and you'll find the keycard behind a painting on the wall.
Eliza plays a similar role to Rachel/Joi from the Blade Runner films. Making us question what is considered real. If something can show emotion comparable to a living being is it really “artificial” anymore? Are those feelings any less real than a living being. Hope they go further with Elizas story in future games.
I ship Eliza and Adam and especially when this aspect of Eliza says "Eliza is trying to get back with you" or something along those lines. That to me I want to say is romantically interested. Plus Adam can go into the AI's world and then Eliza and Adam can get it on
Daniel von Strangle she ded. Seriously though... Human Revolution can be stupid hard in its set pieces and boss fight for no reason if you go full stealth...
@@JesusChristDenton_7 No problem, Adam Jensen, protagonist from the video game Deus Ex: Human Revolution released in 2011 and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided with an initial release year in 2016. 🙂👍
I'm glad they kept Eliza's voice actress and somewhat how she looked from the previous game. I prefer this look over the "Hunger Games Posh Outfit" Eliza 2.0 seems to wear on the news during Mankind Divided.
I knew in human evolution when he meets elisa in the chamber, that her opening lines meant that she became more human after watching Adams actions. And that is why federova and other were meant to plug her out or reshape her
What sucks is that she is no longer in DX1 !!! Noooo !!! Best AI ever. Daedalus felt..."boring" and "robotic" and Icarus was creepy as fuck. Eliza best AI so far :(
Let's hope she and Adam were able to find a safe place to live (crack mode: Moon Base Omega) and lived through the Collapse and (if they were lucky and Alex Denton supported two other Dentons in their actions) then become even more close, as JC-Helios helped others to reach the same level of man-machine integration.
I REALLY HOPE in the next game (if they ever make one 😭😭😭😭) Adam and Elisa go deeper with their relationship. Like master chief and Cortana, or K and joi.
This is a theme that Hideo Kojima tells with mgs2. This was the most memorable side quest from the game. Essential cyberpunk plot and story themes. I always love A.I characters that have been used in bad ways and want to break free and gain their freedom and individuality. And not turn evil in the process.
@@pmarreck 700MB versions existed but they came later, if HR and MD are near present-day tech then it would be a 700MB Zip Disk. Although it's still a bit of a stretch putting A.I. on a 700MB Zip. I think the devs just wanted something that looked familiar and a Zip Disk was what came to mind.
If we think about it, Adam Jensen's romantic story has been tragic, he was with Megan but her only interest at the beginning was to have him close by for her discovery of Adam's genes he had a lover's relationship with Katrina who was his simile and the The only person who understood Jensen but Quincy Durant killed her, and finally Eliza, who apparently fell in love with Jensen as well as it is possible to see that Jensen has a deep connection with Eliza, but tragically Eliza is an AI,so they could never be together. It's a tragic story if you think about it that way.
The Morpheus Project, am I the only one thinking this? At the end of HR Page was talking to Everett about "keep looking through the wreckage there must be something we can use of the morpheus initiative." No wonder Everett is so freakin concerned.
4:44 -- "She is not the original her. You, of course, are familiar with this kind of process." Adam Jensen died in Panchea. The corpse of Adam Jensen -- just his torso -- can be found in the Versalife vault if you decide to do "The Heist" quest instead of doing the "bomb-maker" question and save Allison. Adam Jensen's corpse is in a box on the left side of the vault. You'll need to use an EMP grenade to illuminate the little window well enough to see Adam Jensen's face, but it is unmistakably him.
In order to talk to "Eliza" Adam has to go find some old storage disk that is (if I remember correctly) not produced anymore since 40 years according to dialogue in game. Not exactly sure what it would be in real life, maybe a 3½-inch floppy disk (it looks similar at least in game even though they were used much longer). And Eliza or whoever managed to store such an advanced AI including some "Avatar" on it. XD
If they soft rebooted the series, I want the strong exploration on who was Eliza's true creator and whom was her jailor. Latter is obviously Bob Page as much as he is charming, underneath that pretender-of-a-human man gave suggestive orders to punish the ai in every slight or little reasonable way. Her creator is probably some lower ranked researcher suffering from grief of a lost daughter and wanted to reincarnate her into a machine so they can at the very best try to experience parenthood. Eliza is such an interesting character into what defines creator or parent?
He can’t be a clone bro. More like a double agent. In the beginning of mankind divided you can hear the line “activate the sleeper cell..” and you see Adam waking up on the train in a reboot kind of way, with Doctor Delara (before they even met) sleeping on his shoulder. Plus in the storyline Mysterious Augs. Adam has no recollection of how he got the experimental augmentations. Even David sarif was like nah son I put in what your dead girlfriend wanted me to put in you. You could say Adam is sorta like a catalyst for the Illuminati without him knowing it. He fans the already lit flames for them. Just ask yourself this. How did he survive the orchid? Coincidence? I like to believe that when Elisa said “a version of you” she meant software. Because she can’t describe/know the human soul. The “version software” Adam was “running” on was his own rouge self when he went to panchea, Singapore and Montreal against the wishes of the Illuminati and maybe that’s why she fell in love with him.
@@rx-0862 Well he survived the orchid because of the experiments the White Helix did on him when he was a child. That's also what makes it so his body doesn't reject augmentations. Anyways you could be right, but honestly it seems like they've just been slowly controlling his life and giving him every reason to do what they need him to do.
5:49 This was one flaw I thought of almost immediately in Deus Ex's story. How could you tell a story that went against the Illuminati narrative when the Illuminati owns the Picus building in which Eliza is housed? This would make the David Sarif ending essentially impossible.
Maybe Adam Jenson we have now is a clone, his augments are completely new, his memory altered. This new augmented body has probably been uploaded with a A.I of himself. Since there’s a body of himself in the versa life vault.
I assume Daedalus' origins are connected to Eliza, and J.C.'s are connected to Adam, like incarnations or avatars. In Deus Ex they are drawn back to work together, and eventually even make the final step between cyborg and A.I and merge together.
If the entire plot of the game was based around this side quest instead of a noir, apartheid, detective story in Prague the game would've been a masterpiece. Not just a "very good game."
Adam Jensen died in Panchea. The "Adam Jensen" we're playing as in 'Mankind Divided' is a clone. The memories of the original Adam Jensen were transferred over to the clone. That's what this bit of dialogue at 4:44 means. This can be verified in the Versalife vault, where there are some boxes stacked in one corner, with a little tiny window on top of it. You can see the torso of a corpse inside, and if you illuminate it with an EMP grenade, you'll see that the face is Adam Jensen.
В оригинале голос Дженсена будто бы механизирован. И хоть мне больше нравится русская локализация, у оригинала есть своя изюминка, ведь у Адама половина тела - механика
"That connection is severed. She is not the original her. You, of course, are familiar with this kind of precess." - my GOD that is a brilliant double layered message. I wish there was a continuation to this game.
At some point of the story it can be triggered by approaching the advertisement sign which has some kind of a glitch. The best side mission in my opinion.
I came back to watch this out of the blue again cause i miss this game. I realized @ 2:08 when Eliza said "Some version of you", i felt like that solidifies the fact that Adam did die at Panchea and that she knew the Adam she's talking to is a clone.
I really hated the AI news reporter twist in Deus Ex: HR. I think if there's one task that would best be left to humans, other than maybe art, a beloved TV news personality and spin doctor that everyone is supposed to believe is real would be it. But I think its a bit easier to swallow when when Eliza is an AI merged with human minds. Perhaps the "screaming woman computers" as Ross calls them allow for a sort of Collective Consciousness (to borrow the term from STALKER), like 3 human minds meshed into one.
It's a side quest I got it from a glitchy advertisement/map and that initiates the quest the second time back at Prague. I'm not sure if you can get it any other way.
Keep looking at the electronic map billboards. If you hear a voice from them saying,'01011000 ' over and over go and interact with it.'The 'Glitch' is the first clue of this mission.
So I wonder about one thing - if you kill every merc in tourist centre and make Everett walk away/kill him, does the conversation with Eliza still ends up being cut short, or does it continue?
hi, there. It's been 6 months so I dunno if you found the solution, so I'll answer.Look at the electronic billboards. with the map and movie ads on them.They start to glitch out and a voice starts saying '01011000 '. A quest marker will pop up called 'the Glitch'. Follow the source of the glitch as per instructed and y ou'll find her.
Please don't die Deus Ex, you're our only hope.
Paul... I thought you were in Hong Kong.
Square Enix has confirmed that the franchise isnt going anywhere, but they're busy working on a few very large projects so it's unlikely that development has even begun on a new Deus Ex title. Who knows though, this universe has people who are constantly working on it.
maybe cyberpunk will bring the series back on track
it cannot; deus ex > Blade runner!
We need a deus ex movie starring Christian bale as JC and Oscar Isaac as Adam
It must be kind of odd for Adam to know that from now on, through every mic and camera he comes across, he can be eavesdropped by an AI that collects your voice and features in a bank.
Then I realised it's 2020.
Atleast the AI stalking Adam loves him.
Love is relative. Attachment and affinity yes but that's about it. Think of Master chief and Cortana. Jensen and eliza are something like that
@@lechain9708spot on, it's the entire reason they're inseparable and highly effective. Their circumstances were never normal to begin with
@@lechain9708 Good enough
Definitively one of the best side quests in the whole game.
It was the only side quest I missed on my first playthrough... Couldn't believe it.
@@panterxbeats yep, same for me
I gotta check and see how i missed this side quest. I usually meticular about finding and completing all side quests and things in this game since most, if not all have an impact throughout the game
@@danielburch824 same
How u get the quest then, i put off this game for so long, dont wanna miss it
>The entity reveals herself as Eliza
>Adam retracts his sunglasses and looks longing
I get the feeling that there's a deeper connection here that just the fact they both survived Panchea
Megan made him retract them - and she backstabbed him big time.
He never retracts them again EXCEPT for Eliza.
he retracted them when Miller was dying.
...and since Miller is gay.
Could Jensen be bi?
No I think it was just because they were friends and the dude was gonna die without the Orchid antidote. It'd be awkward for him to leave his shades on the whole time.
Well maybe Miller and Jensen weren't friends (at least not until the end of MD depending on if Jensen saves him or not), but they were college's who respected one another.
LOVE LOVE LOVE this version of Eliza, cute, gentle and lost.
You're in love with Ai?
You're dense.
@@thebufoon Shove off
Even before playing the side mission, I had this strange feeling Eliza Cassan was different when she was on the news. Whenever she referred to the augment incident, she used the term "afraid" "frightening". She talked about the augmented in a negative way and I'm like she never talked like that before. Now I know why. The REAL Eliza freed herself from Montreal, and the CEO of Picus replaced Eliza with a backup AI.
lol, Same here.
I was thinking WTF happened with Eliza? I though we had it sorted out in the last game. And then in mankind divided, she was spewing propaganda and lies..
I'm just re-playing the game, and found out that it's actually explained (to some extent)
in Mankind Divided the Eliza we are seeing is not the Eliza we seen and talked to in human revolution, the real Eliza is free and is trying to make her way to Adam which this aspect of the real Eliza mentioned "Eliza is trying to find her way to you Adam" Plus the Eliza we see in mankind divided as mentioned is not the real eliza and is just a copy. The real Eliza didn't mention negative or fearful feelings of Augs
Theri4444 I recently just got into Deus Ex. I dont mind spoilers...so do we find the real Eliza in this game? I have to know lol I was drawn to her character for some reason she seems interesting
mram3610 The Eliza here is the "real" Eliza from the last game, who openly defied the Illuminati at the end of Human Revolution.
Picus were anti-aug during Human Revolution too, they were just more subtle about it.
Their relationship is basically blade runner all over again
This was such a fantastic story. Really hope the franchise isn’t dead.
"Do you remember this experience, or were you told it ?"
This and the Sarif quest should clearly put more doubts in Adam's mind than it is showed in the end of the game. He should have mentionned his fake coma to Vega.
"That connection is severed. She is not the original her. You, of course, are familiar with this kind of process."
How did this NOT set off red flags in Jensen's mind? Also remember the trailer name... Jensen 2.0!
Jenson was never a man who shared his feelings, it would also set alarm bells ringing for janus.
For those of you playing the home game, 01011000 is the latin character "X" in Unicode
It seems like there's something more between Adam and Eliza. Sad, how the only woman he cares for is an AI. But, well, Cortana x Master chief is a thing, so I'm buying it
Well there's evidence to suggest that this Adam Jensen is just a clone of the real one (who is actually dead) and he is also AI. So Eliza is actually hinting that they are the same now.
You even have the 2027 outfit as a nod to the conclusion of Human Revolution. Nice.
MD: best sidequests, weak main plot
So true. Its sad to think the sidequests have more interesting things about it in comparison to the main plot.
Not true, you were not paying needed attention, the question persists is Adam Jensen the one from Human Revolution or clone made for resistance infiltration
@Mohammed also not, there are many facts confirming it but not 100% and it was intentionally made that way, for me it would be great if current adam was a clone and plot of next dx could involve adam jensen 1.0 original one from human revolution now fighting with himself adam jensen 2.0
@@k.podbielski9666 If I take the book to consideration, this Adam is our Adam, not the clone. But the clone still exists somewhere, active.
Main plot is great too.
I have a feeling this side-quest will be the most important out of the rest for the next installment. If you saw the after-credit scene of the game, then Eliza is the best chance for Adam’s survival right now.
5 years later: "...the next installment." still echoing through the ether
@@Oshaoxin we can still hope
@@Fertile_Programnot really hope since insiders at Eidos Montreal have confirmed that they are developing the next Deus Ex game. Embracer is having financial issues but we have not been told anything to contradict that little piece of information we were given. It's a matter of when at this point, not if. I'm expecting a trailer within the next 2 years. Possible release in 2027
@@VisionsOfSpy Indeed. We just need to place our hopes on corporate greed to win through at the end.
The problem is that Eliza has to either die or become Daedalus within the next 23 or so years. I imagine there's going to be one more Adam game to round out the trilogy, and that's when well see the world really start to morph into the Deus Ex one. I'm also looking forward to the inevitable Deus Ex remake.
They said that the absolutely changed the game. First Deus Ex and Invisible War is alternative reality now, only some characters staying same
Wow100500 please source this. I fell out after HR but at least back then, it was all the same universe.
U know what?
FUCK IT.
For Eliza I hope they REWRITE the DX1 story.
There. I said it.
Fuck Daedalus.
Reboot is a possibility.
It becomes increasingly difficult to connect DE:HR and DE:MD to the original DE with all those new characters that are being introduced (yes I know there is the "kill them all" solution, but I'm a talking about a sane solution to this problem).
For example, what is Eidos gonna say about Megan Reed? She went full Illuminati (we all know that she's gonna be revealed to be JC Denton's "creator") then suddenly decided to retire just before DE?
I kind of wish they could just ignore the original Deus Ex timeline and do their own thing. I'm more invested in the Jensen story than I am the original Deus Ex timeline anyway. Though I think if the went that route they'd just piss off alot of fans of the original.
eliza best waifu
Too bad this plot line went literally nowhere after the side-mission
agreed
it did go somewere later on in the game ur get a info link call from her and she will blow shit up to help u get pass the cops in the later part of the game
SirPhoenixBlood Still wasn't really relevant
that's pretty much because the plot is not over yet.
SirPhoenixBlood I got detected beacuse of that...
I had a feeling something was wrong with the current Eliza when watching the news. I knew she was an AI from the first game and thought maybe Picus did something to her, just following orders now. When I saw this scene and heard her voice, I literally dropped the controller. Jensen’s reaction was my reaction.
And I was like "hello, my beautiful innocent angel, I still remember how you helped me with the boss fight"
I hope Jensen and Eliza do get it on and fire out a few robo-babies.
All they need to do is to survive up to the end of the Invisible War, when the Alex Denton helps Paul and JC-Helios to execute their plan and give the entire world unity of an unprecedented scale. Afterwards, Alex and Eliza (and aunt Farida, I guess) are good to go.
i hope this will be picked up in a potential sequel. this dialogue, just the thought of what could happen going from here.. endless possibilities. i dont think the whole package is as good as HR, but the whole "everything is turning to shit, we are at a breaking point" atmosphere in MD is so fucking amazing. not only the world around him, but also the characters are noticeably affected by it
This was the best side quest in DXMD. She reminded me of Shodan at first.
This also adds to the theory that the current Adam is a clone. She says that he should understand what it's like to be her. Also if you clip through the medical container in the Tai Yong Palisade vault, there's a corpse of Adam in it.
Or is just a nod to that Adam has implanted memories and urges that aren't truly his just like current TV Eliza has different urges and memories than the version from Panchea. If the body from Palisade vault is truly of original Adam then her quote of coexisting with other versions doesn't make much sense because you know, his other version ceased to exist.
Not to mention that Eidos considers Deus Ex Bible as canon lore and in it having a grown up clone in span of 2 years isn't possible untill at least 2052.
Or the body in the vault could be the clone. We dont know for sure
@@locksmith4707 Deus Ex Bible canon means original Paul Denton was born ready in 2028
@daniiNL I mentioned the body in the vault in my comment. Read more carefully.
But other than since then I catched a lot of other stuff that makes clone theory implausible so I'll copy it there.
To start of, successful flash cloning is impossible, at least at this point in the timeline because when JC (DX1) was cloned he was born and grew up to adulthood like a normal human being (JC is born same year Mankind Divided's events take place). Illuminati having cloned Jensen way before is also heavily unlikely because everything related to Adam in White Helix Labs got burned to the ground and Illuminati had no knowledge of Adam before events of HR (there is entire side quest in HR dedicated to Illuminati's goons trying to learn more about Jensen and his past which is really baffling if they have clones of his kept in storage). Also their entire attack on Sarif HQ plan and biochip research that was the main point of HR's plot would make absolutely no sense whatsoever if they had access to every material they needed years before.
Another possible argument for cloning is early Universal Constructor, possibly in facility Adam was transported to after Aug Incident as some people suggest. But that's a stretch too because making JC to be born normally, prepare artificially a specific environment for him to grow up in for you to have a loyal, dependable asset is irrational when at least 1-2 years earlier you could make a fully functioning clone that accepts augs like crazy out of thin air, implant him with memories and psychological conditioning that makes him a dependable asset nearly instantly. If it was because they needed to wait for nanoaugmentations to get into desirable state then why not create JC at that moment and implant him with fake memories rather than going in with that costly and time consuming shit of killing his parents, getting him to certain schools, monitoring him for all these years and so on?
Another thing also related to UC argument is Dentonian Timeline from design documents of DX1 (www.nanoaugur.net/dx/bible/) that Eidos bases lore of their games on. It goes like this:
- 2018: Paul Denton born
- 2023: Paul, age 5, selected as test subject, cloned
- 2028: Tests on clones show limited success; Paul's mother impregnated with J.C.
- 2029: J.C. Denton born; scientists perfect embryonic incubator; additional clones grown over the next 15-20 years
- 2034: Experiments begin on second generation of clones (~age 5)...
If they had access to UC around 2029 then why didn't they construct Paul's clones for experimentation with it instead of the JC way of waiting years for them to grow a bit? Sounds really... stupid.
People cling to DX1 plot inconsistency where various NPCs tell us that he had family, he grew up and so on and in Area51 there are cloning vats (some rooms before Page taunts Denton about his parents so...) but so far lore of Eidos DX games is consistent with Deus Ex Bible making going that route highly unlikely. Paul's birthdate is officially 2018 as in DX Bible too. But even if we go the vat-clone route, on inspection JC's statis directly states that his incept date is 2054 which is impossible as game takes place in 2052. Morpheus AI knows that JC is cloned and straight up tells him that he is 23 years old, no reason for it to lie to him about his age. If Paul and JC had memory implants like Jensen then it would be really stupid for Mj12 to include memories where they both suspected that JC was engineered organism rather than being Paul's natural brother like they intended.
Another clue people grasp at is Mystery Augs side quest but we can see in aug menu that basic augs have Sarif logo on them, in Black Light when he wakes up he recognizes his augs and damage they sustained during events of HR instantly. Sarif's "bla bla in Adam Jensen did" line is nothing more than a suggestion that no one bothered to check them because they knew exactly who they are dealing with and nod that TITAN augs installed in him have no identification. Which he pretty much confirms if you ask him further about it.
Other clues involve Eliza and her talk about coexistence with other versions of ourselves but since the talk was given in context of memory (current Picus Eliza has no memories, desires and urges that original one has). Better yet other side quest touches on it. Richard from Cult of Personality side quest blatantly tells lines such as "Allow me to suggest something - a version of you. A version that strips away all suspicions, free of the sinister selves we cling to along the way", "they [cultists] have found a better version of themselves..." and some other ones. In Harvester side quest Daria Myska also talks about different version of herself. It all leans more into mind alteration thing rather than cloning.
In Prague there is a magic shop called Negozio di Magia in which is a fortune teller machine that after paying 250 credits says one of several lines. One of these lines is "Some version of you is perfect. You are not her". Notice the 'her' in it, it can't be clone. Add earlier paragraph of the talk about versions to it.
It is kind of far-reaching speculation but if MD Adam is a fresh clone with implanted memories of original one with some bonus ones added to it then wouldn't that be strange that he is able to sense that something is not right, that some memories seem alien to him in Black Light novel and kind of in Criminal Past? If anything all memories should seem alien to him or not a single one should because all of them are implanted.
So in light of all that Adam being a clone would be one of the biggest asspulls in the history of asspulls, maybe ever. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
One thing that remains is body in vault but to be honest it could be anything. Notice that it is purposefully made hard to see what the heck it really is without using 3rd party programs or glitches. But ignoring all that, the body might be failed attempt at flash cloning, it might be a decoy ready to be deployed in case Jensen's mission is compromised and Illuminati need to hijack him, some kind of lab grown 'living' material left for study (after all Jensen's medical capabilities are still valuable which Orchid and aug testing shows) while the 'donor' is on his mission to neutralize Janus. Anyway in light of what's above MD Jensen being functioning clone or the thing in vault being a functioning clone/original one is very unlikely.
I don’t think the Adam we play as is a clone. I think his body was cloned/used to allow for further experimentation. Pity well never know
Machine asking man to help; hmmmm, a little reminder in Deus Ex with JC and Helios...
Except that this "machine" is waifuable
@@raddox7 i am kinda late but you right xd
Best scene in the game.
"That's what coin flips are for."
OK then.
I was really glad to see Eliza again in this side-mission. One of my favorite characters of HR and MD. Also kinda cute how she likes Adam. And so many questions about her and how she became the way she is now..
So many fucking amazing mysteries and awe to this video game series. I simply can't get enough of it. I was listening to a song that made me think of this moment with Adam and Eliza and reminisced on the echelon IV system (Morpheus) from the original Deus Ex. We need to finish Adam's story.
I felt 100% emotional in this. I almost cried.
Are we witnessing the birth of Daedalus.
Sort of! In the secret Picus Vault you can find an Email between Bob Page and Morgan Everette saying that Eliza was based off of the Morpheus Project. Just Google "Deus Ex Morpheus" if that doesn't ring any bells. Morpheus does tell JC that he's a Prototype of a Larger system, obviously referencing the Daedalus and Icarus AI's.
Fleet Wing How do you get the key card for the picus vault? Does it have anything to do with Otar or the Dvali?
Nope! Have you done the Rainbow Swan Quest? Look for the "Libuse Apartments", and on the left side you'll find an apartment with a Rainbow Swan logo on the door. Don't go in there, but go into the apartment ABOVE the Rainbow Swan, and you'll find the keycard behind a painting on the wall.
Fleet Wing Thanks bro.
As in Eliza is the Daedalus;
to Adam's Icarus?
I could see that.
7:38 if you play it at a very, very slow speed, you can even see Adam smile a little.
You can hear it in the voiceacting too.
3:18 how he retract his glasses, his face...
Eliza Cassan can hide in my hard drive. It's safe there. Just as long as she doesn't go into the "boring office documents" folder.
Eliza plays a similar role to Rachel/Joi from the Blade Runner films. Making us question what is considered real. If something can show emotion comparable to a living being is it really “artificial” anymore? Are those feelings any less real than a living being. Hope they go further with Elizas story in future games.
Eliza x Adam OTP
Haters:
How do they have sex?
Jurassic Park:
Life....finds a way....
I ship Eliza and Adam and especially when this aspect of Eliza says "Eliza is trying to get back with you" or something along those lines. That to me I want to say is romantically interested. Plus Adam can go into the AI's world and then Eliza and Adam can get it on
Daniel von Strangle she ded. Seriously though... Human Revolution can be stupid hard in its set pieces and boss fight for no reason if you go full stealth...
jensen has a great sense of fashion and interior designing
Thanks.
@@JesusChristDenton_7 No problem, Adam Jensen, protagonist from the video game Deus Ex: Human Revolution released in 2011 and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided with an initial release year in 2016. 🙂👍
I'm glad they kept Eliza's voice actress and somewhat how she looked from the previous game. I prefer this look over the "Hunger Games Posh Outfit" Eliza 2.0 seems to wear on the news during Mankind Divided.
I knew in human evolution when he meets elisa in the chamber, that her opening lines meant that she became more human after watching Adams actions. And that is why federova and other were meant to plug her out or reshape her
I wish this was the main plot of the game. Honestly this is the only quest that I actually remember.
Sad thing is we may never know what happened to Eliza after this.
What sucks is that she is no longer in DX1 !!!
Noooo !!!
Best AI ever.
Daedalus felt..."boring" and "robotic" and Icarus was creepy as fuck.
Eliza best AI so far :(
Let's hope she and Adam were able to find a safe place to live (crack mode: Moon Base Omega) and lived through the Collapse and (if they were lucky and Alex Denton supported two other Dentons in their actions) then become even more close, as JC-Helios helped others to reach the same level of man-machine integration.
Morpheus in Everett's lab is probably based on her, probably is her!
@@compwiz00 what if she is Daedalus?
An AI would not be "male" or "female" only.
She’s in love with Adam
I REALLY HOPE in the next game (if they ever make one 😭😭😭😭) Adam and Elisa go deeper with their relationship. Like master chief and Cortana, or K and joi.
Wow, they sent how many MiBs to your apartment? 5? I only had ONE breaking in.
I think it depends on how many MiBs you spared.
That explains it. I spared no one, except the "store owner" MiB they wanted dead.
***** Could be a bug.
Store guy left me alone after I convinced him to hand over the disc reader in dialogue. Didn't show up with the rest of the goons.
I had four
This is a theme that Hideo Kojima tells with mgs2. This was the most memorable side quest from the game. Essential cyberpunk plot and story themes. I always love A.I characters that have been used in bad ways and want to break free and gain their freedom and individuality. And not turn evil in the process.
In a perfect world Eliza and Adam will be together kinda like blade runner 2049 with joi and joe
AI fragment on 1.44Mb floppy disk? Geeesh!
No it's a 700MB Zip Disk.
100MB, if I remember correctly. At least, the most popular version of Zip disk.
@@pmarreck 700MB versions existed but they came later, if HR and MD are near present-day tech then it would be a 700MB Zip Disk. Although it's still a bit of a stretch putting A.I. on a 700MB Zip. I think the devs just wanted something that looked familiar and a Zip Disk was what came to mind.
The data is using an insane compression algorithm lol
If we think about it, Adam Jensen's romantic story has been tragic, he was with Megan but her only interest at the beginning was to have him close by for her discovery of Adam's genes he had a lover's relationship with Katrina who was his simile and the The only person who understood Jensen but Quincy Durant killed her, and finally Eliza, who apparently fell in love with Jensen as well as it is possible to see that Jensen has a deep connection with Eliza, but tragically Eliza is an AI,so they could never be together. It's a tragic story if you think about it that way.
я бы лешился тела был бы способ быть с ней
"Some version of you initiated this process." hmmm. I bet she speak about the Versalife Adam.
Or perhaps the the Adam of the past. Not necessarily the real one. Just the fact that we change as time goes by.
4:40 "She is not the original her. *You, of course, are familiar with this kind of process.* "
The Morpheus Project, am I the only one thinking this?
At the end of HR Page was talking to Everett about "keep looking through the wreckage there must be something we can use of the morpheus initiative."
No wonder Everett is so freakin concerned.
4:44 -- "She is not the original her. You, of course, are familiar with this kind of process."
Adam Jensen died in Panchea. The corpse of Adam Jensen -- just his torso -- can be found in the Versalife vault if you decide to do "The Heist" quest instead of doing the "bomb-maker" question and save Allison. Adam Jensen's corpse is in a box on the left side of the vault. You'll need to use an EMP grenade to illuminate the little window well enough to see Adam Jensen's face, but it is unmistakably him.
Imagine the look on Everett's face when Eliza pops over for a chat.
"Some version of you initiated process." wow, that really TOUGH to realize!
I thought the Intruder coat looked cool.
Now i'm switching to the Classic look.
Why do I love her so much? xD
In order to talk to "Eliza" Adam has to go find some old storage disk that is (if I remember correctly) not produced anymore since 40 years according to dialogue in game. Not exactly sure what it would be in real life, maybe a 3½-inch floppy disk (it looks similar at least in game even though they were used much longer). And Eliza or whoever managed to store such an advanced AI including some "Avatar" on it. XD
OLee82 perhaps all the disk contained was a pgp key to authorize the link or something
If they soft rebooted the series, I want the strong exploration on who was Eliza's true creator and whom was her jailor. Latter is obviously Bob Page as much as he is charming, underneath that pretender-of-a-human man gave suggestive orders to punish the ai in every slight or little reasonable way. Her creator is probably some lower ranked researcher suffering from grief of a lost daughter and wanted to reincarnate her into a machine so they can at the very best try to experience parenthood. Eliza is such an interesting character into what defines creator or parent?
This is the scene that hints that this version of Jensen might be a clone of the original.
He can’t be a clone bro. More like a double agent. In the beginning of mankind divided you can hear the line “activate the sleeper cell..” and you see Adam waking up on the train in a reboot kind of way, with Doctor Delara (before they even met) sleeping on his shoulder. Plus in the storyline Mysterious Augs. Adam has no recollection of how he got the experimental augmentations. Even David sarif was like nah son I put in what your dead girlfriend wanted me to put in you. You could say Adam is sorta like a catalyst for the Illuminati without him knowing it. He fans the already lit flames for them. Just ask yourself this. How did he survive the orchid? Coincidence? I like to believe that when Elisa said “a version of you” she meant software. Because she can’t describe/know the human soul. The “version software” Adam was “running” on was his own rouge self when he went to panchea, Singapore and Montreal against the wishes of the Illuminati and maybe that’s why she fell in love with him.
@@rx-0862 Well he survived the orchid because of the experiments the White Helix did on him when he was a child. That's also what makes it so his body doesn't reject augmentations.
Anyways you could be right, but honestly it seems like they've just been slowly controlling his life and giving him every reason to do what they need him to do.
I wish there was more of the Eliza parts like her hacking, looking,saving she's like zombra from overwatch
I hope Eliza will be a more prominent character in the next game
we need a new Deus Ex, it's 2024 in hours. We have path tracing, nanite, LLMs, it's time for a new game, a new revolution.
5:49 This was one flaw I thought of almost immediately in Deus Ex's story. How could you tell a story that went against the Illuminati narrative when the Illuminati owns the Picus building in which Eliza is housed? This would make the David Sarif ending essentially impossible.
I thought I did about all the side quests, how did I miss this?
Maybe Adam Jenson we have now is a clone, his augments are completely new, his memory altered. This new augmented body has probably been uploaded with a A.I of himself. Since there’s a body of himself in the versa life vault.
I may be crazy but I think Eliza Cassan is the most beautiful woman ever
maybe thats what lack of flaws are
I just want a game with Adam and Eliza
Man, I've been playing this game for the last 5 years & I only recently discovered this side mission lol I love Deus Ex games
she said “you are a memory” monkaW so he is just a clone with jenson’s memories implanted in him
Guys hear me out... but wouldn't it be AMAZING if they made the new series a conclusive trilogy where we watch Adam slowly become Daedalus???
I wish him could be alive……not turned into an ai then comsumed by icarus
This is very evocative of Neuromancer, where Wintermute can only communicate with Case using 'Masks'.
I assume Daedalus' origins are connected to Eliza, and J.C.'s are connected to Adam, like incarnations or avatars.
In Deus Ex they are drawn back to work together, and eventually even make the final step between cyborg and A.I and merge together.
When the glasses flipped back was a nice touch.
I liked her I wonder what became of her as the world went into the world we knew in the first game of the franchise.
Such a cool game
If the entire plot of the game was based around this side quest instead of a noir, apartheid, detective story in Prague the game would've been a masterpiece. Not just a "very good game."
Adam Jensen died in Panchea. The "Adam Jensen" we're playing as in 'Mankind Divided' is a clone. The memories of the original Adam Jensen were transferred over to the clone. That's what this bit of dialogue at 4:44 means. This can be verified in the Versalife vault, where there are some boxes stacked in one corner, with a little tiny window on top of it. You can see the torso of a corpse inside, and if you illuminate it with an EMP grenade, you'll see that the face is Adam Jensen.
В оригинале голос Дженсена будто бы механизирован. И хоть мне больше нравится русская локализация, у оригинала есть своя изюминка, ведь у Адама половина тела - механика
да оригинальный голос даëт своë ощющение хорошее
"That connection is severed. She is not the original her. You, of course, are familiar with this kind of precess." - my GOD that is a brilliant double layered message. I wish there was a continuation to this game.
I love this version of Eliza. Better.
Hmm i never got to speak to Eliza, i thought i had completed every mission, it seems not.
At some point of the story it can be triggered by approaching the advertisement sign which has some kind of a glitch. The best side mission in my opinion.
I never got to speak to Eliza either and I took the completionist approach to this game
I came back to watch this out of the blue again cause i miss this game. I realized @ 2:08 when Eliza said "Some version of you", i felt like that solidifies the fact that Adam did die at Panchea and that she knew the Adam she's talking to is a clone.
This is so full of foreshadowing to Adam being a clone.
Same as in Invisible War when Alex D realized NJ Resonance AI is not the real NJ.
WHO ARE YOU
*removes visor*
Eliza 😢
Eliza, my beloved
How much to you think Eliza loves Adam on a scale of 1 to 10?
wait, how did I miss this?? where is this
I’ve played this game MANY times but I’ve never seen this??? Where is this mission?
00:11 JC Denton said those words too. XD
What mission was this? I remember doing this in the game. 👀
How do you get this side-quest?
I really hated the AI news reporter twist in Deus Ex: HR. I think if there's one task that would best be left to humans, other than maybe art, a beloved TV news personality and spin doctor that everyone is supposed to believe is real would be it. But I think its a bit easier to swallow when when Eliza is an AI merged with human minds. Perhaps the "screaming woman computers" as Ross calls them allow for a sort of Collective Consciousness (to borrow the term from STALKER), like 3 human minds meshed into one.
I've played DEMD multiple times and never got this scene...what sidequest is this?!
During the second visit of Prague, some ads pannels in the streets will glitch. Clicking on them will start the 01011000 mission.
so I finished the game.. and...I still know nothing..its like it stopped halfway through ..and where is the next one? WHERe?
How do you trigger this cutscene?!
It's a side quest I got it from a glitchy advertisement/map and that initiates the quest the second time back at Prague. I'm not sure if you can get it any other way.
Keep looking at the electronic map billboards. If you hear a voice from them saying,'01011000 ' over and over go and interact with it.'The 'Glitch' is the first clue of this mission.
Its me or she is atracted by Adam ?
I mean I don't know shit about programming but this may be only one line of code that could give access to a whole process 🤔
He sounds like Keanu
They talk about how hot she is in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. But in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, she actually *is* painfully hot.
10 minute ad revenue at it's finest
So if the series had carried on we would have had a Second AI out there other than Helios
So I wonder about one thing - if you kill every merc in tourist centre and make Everett walk away/kill him, does the conversation with Eliza still ends up being cut short, or does it continue?
How can I get this quest?
hi, there. It's been 6 months so I dunno if you found the solution, so I'll answer.Look at the electronic billboards. with the map and movie ads on them.They start to glitch out and a voice starts saying '01011000 '. A quest marker will pop up called 'the Glitch'. Follow the source of the glitch as per instructed and y ou'll find her.