Did Aliens Influence Plato’s Philosophy? Paul Wallis Reveals Astonishing Evidence!

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  • Did Aliens Influence Plato’s Philosophy? In this Documentary Paul Wallis Reveals Astonishing Evidence, delving into the mysterious knowledge of Plato, suggesting that the renowned philosopher may have been more than just a thinker-he could have been a contactee. Plato's stunning descriptions of Earth from space and his references to advanced beings from "islands in the sky" raise intriguing questions about the sources of his insights.
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    Could Plato's wisdom be linked to ancient extraterrestrial contact? Join us as we unravel the clues from his dialogues, connecting Plato's ideas with paleocontact theories, interdimensional beings, and cosmic intelligence.
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  • @The5thKind
    @The5thKind  Месяц назад +42

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    • @mrcadoia
      @mrcadoia Месяц назад +8

      this is awesome. More Plato please.

    • @PraySeven
      @PraySeven Месяц назад +3

      @@The5thKind U Know Mr. Wallis, At a young age I was Always Fascinated about The City Of Atlantis, Don’t know why but I truly loved it, I didn’t even know about Plato , Something always told me that the story was real, but Uknow it’s hard sharing stuff with people, LoL
      U Bring A lot Of Truth & Understanding 2 Us All.✨✨✨✨✨✨✨
      May We All Be Open Minded Of The Knowledge U Share With Us All Mr. Paul Wallis🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
      Thank U Again Sir, 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
      Much Love & Light 2 All💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
      DeuceZ Up, Pray7

    • @YECBIB
      @YECBIB Месяц назад

      You're a lost soul.

    • @EnkiWesley
      @EnkiWesley Месяц назад +1

      ❤❤❤

    • @anthonymotture
      @anthonymotture Месяц назад +1

      Can you recommend any good books on Plato

  • @anchorpoint5871
    @anchorpoint5871 Месяц назад +142

    "Few people have the imagination for reality."
    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    • @danielboomers
      @danielboomers Месяц назад

      the Rh neg have it the rest is dna rubbish that needs to be sorted soon

    • @jasper4251
      @jasper4251 Месяц назад +9

      That is so true! Great quote, wasnt familiar with it.

    • @Arlie_3
      @Arlie_3 Месяц назад +7

      @@anchorpoint5871 Beautiful quote!

    • @lorraine.bernardettehoole7743
      @lorraine.bernardettehoole7743 Месяц назад +6

      I've never heard that also. But it resonates with me. X

    • @John_13_35
      @John_13_35 Месяц назад +2

      I'm gonna memorize that one!

  • @Thewayandthetruth2112
    @Thewayandthetruth2112 Месяц назад +19

    Plato for his era was way ahead of most people of today’s blinkered vision of reality…we must learn to ‘see’ without ‘looking’ !

  • @thebeardedone1225
    @thebeardedone1225 Месяц назад +106

    We are imprisoned by many things. Religious endoctrination, political persuasion, technology, etc.

    • @SneakySteevy
      @SneakySteevy Месяц назад +15

      Our own thoughts

    • @boomanxious3869
      @boomanxious3869 Месяц назад +5

      Don't forget money...

    • @SneakySteevy
      @SneakySteevy Месяц назад +8

      @@thebeardedone1225 We dont need external things to be enslaved. Most of us are enslaved by internal things such as guilt, anger, sadness, frustration, envy.
      Focus on them, you dont have control over external things.

    • @MarcaWasi-jd6xx
      @MarcaWasi-jd6xx Месяц назад +1

      ets

    • @Redbud305
      @Redbud305 Месяц назад +5

      We are imprisoned by our beliefs.

  • @dannytennial5311
    @dannytennial5311 Месяц назад +348

    Both imprisoned and enslaved. We are farm animals. Commodities.

    • @NublifeWZG
      @NublifeWZG Месяц назад +55

      Agree to disagree. We are spiritual at core. Free your mind your spirit...no amount of material discomfort can touch you.

    • @capitalisa
      @capitalisa Месяц назад +45

      Someone else's intent maybe, but I don't have to comply. And I don't.

    • @nudaveritas8195
      @nudaveritas8195 Месяц назад +60

      ​@@NublifeWZG
      Not so easy when you're living in a material world where you are forced to work in order to have a roof over your head and food on your table.

    • @NublifeWZG
      @NublifeWZG Месяц назад

      ​@nudaveritas8195 facts. Utilize this broken system only long enough while you prepare to become self reliant by ditching mainstream and become independent no longer a consumer. We can't blindly comply and think we will retire its not our fathers fuckin illusion anymore. But while we prepare we can laugh while they assume we are good little worker robot consumers we will be steadily ditching industry. Burn it down and build anew. We are going g to be a little l3ss comfy but for my daughters I'll sacrifice convenience for their health. And ours. And freedom.

    • @TheklaSuktalim
      @TheklaSuktalim Месяц назад +16

      Robert Monroe about LOOSH.
      His books name is Fare Journeys.

  • @skywalker7778
    @skywalker7778 Месяц назад +23

    Thank you Paul for being the Plato of our times. Sharing your wisdoms is highly appreciated ❤

  • @jaanamainprize1997
    @jaanamainprize1997 Месяц назад +18

    Thank you for explaining in plain language what Plato shared from his experiences and learnings not only from Socrates but from contact with higher evolved beings!😍Very grateful to have listened and watched this today!❤

  • @solreta_antaria
    @solreta_antaria Месяц назад +83

    Love this Topic!! You’re such a great researcher & presenter Paul. Looking forward to this 🙏💜✨

    • @elegantpaws4650
      @elegantpaws4650 Месяц назад +2

      Excellent teacher and writer. Oh yeah...and an eloquent voice. Polished, masculine and a joy for the human ear.😊

    • @Ben-sl1tk
      @Ben-sl1tk Месяц назад

      100 percent ​@@elegantpaws4650

  • @luza.cordero4563
    @luza.cordero4563 23 дня назад +6

    I love it! LATELY WE ARE LEARNING MORE THAN BEFORE.
    THANK YOU PAUL WALLIS

  • @alexcastas8405
    @alexcastas8405 Месяц назад +9

    Paul you just keep hitting home runs imo, always impressive research and dedication to do all this. Appreciate the work you do mate!!

  • @sameezyfbaby7322
    @sameezyfbaby7322 Месяц назад +5

    My brother thank you for doing this work. This is easily one of my favourite channels ❤

  • @YoichiNishimoto
    @YoichiNishimoto Месяц назад +242

    this video’s take really clicks with some of the things I've been reading in ebook The Suppressed Education from Talesio

    • @anonone8954
      @anonone8954 Месяц назад +1

      I need to read that.

    • @charleygnarly1182
      @charleygnarly1182 Месяц назад +4

      Seen this comment elsewhere. Not a good look. Just saying.

    • @charleygnarly1182
      @charleygnarly1182 Месяц назад +4

      Not a good look to copy and paste same comment to multiple videos.

    • @r34ct4
      @r34ct4 21 день назад

      Sigh... Internet is dead. Dark Forest

  • @Ehxo-YT
    @Ehxo-YT Месяц назад +15

    Thank you, Paul, for your wisdom. You inspired me to read Plato's works for myself.

  • @MichaelJonesC-4-7
    @MichaelJonesC-4-7 Месяц назад +168

    Welcome to Earth. No one leaves alive. ; )

    • @vortex162
      @vortex162 Месяц назад +10

      Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.😅

    • @PANTHEON71
      @PANTHEON71 Месяц назад

      Ashes to ashes dust to dust if you don't use your junk it will begin to rust 😎​@@vortex162

    • @CCelia1953
      @CCelia1953 Месяц назад +6

      Only Thee Avatar. You're not it.

    • @NickNova369
      @NickNova369 Месяц назад +7

      It doesn't matter if you are alive or dead, This Is Where We Belong 🌎

    • @jussikankinen9409
      @jussikankinen9409 Месяц назад +1

      Are u sure, soon doctors find cure for death so no smoking or beer

  • @icandidstudios
    @icandidstudios Месяц назад +11

    I highly adore you Paul. Its been 5 years Cosmos connected to you via youtube and great awakening happened in my life. Lots of ups n downs n yet this journey is just breath taking

  • @DAVID4872
    @DAVID4872 Месяц назад +10

    Thankyou Paul, I walked out of the cave sometime ago, trying bring friends out with myself, still trying, as you say once you are outside, nature looks so different, thanks Paul.

  • @PANTHEON71
    @PANTHEON71 Месяц назад +41

    I really enjoy Paul's videos.
    This is for Paul.
    I want to know the connection between Thoth and the knights Templar.. As this is the cross of Thoth ✠
    A symbol used by the knights Templar and modern Day Christianity.
    This symbol has been found on structures that existed long before the knights Templar and Christianity.

    • @katsiduzynski488
      @katsiduzynski488 Месяц назад +2

      Yep, the Maltese Cross as it is recognized in modern times. Definitely goes WAY, way back further than many realize!

    • @PANTHEON71
      @PANTHEON71 Месяц назад +1

      @@katsiduzynski488 when you seek you find more questions than answers

    • @kimmcelroy6947
      @kimmcelroy6947 Месяц назад

      Kind of like conspiracy theories.

    • @PANTHEON71
      @PANTHEON71 Месяц назад

      ​@@kimmcelroy6947except it's fact that this cross existed long before.

    • @randallbesch2424
      @randallbesch2424 21 день назад

      @@kimmcelroy6947 stories not theories.

  • @kenhutley971
    @kenhutley971 Месяц назад +9

    Thank you Paul for uploading this presentation. I found it quite emotional to listen to as I found Plato to be my anchor and my sanity-companion in my late teens when I was struggling to make sense of life, being an ex-Catholic and a 'searcher' perplexed by the mixed impressions in my own life experience. Thank you... just: Thank You!!!

  • @aminaragin
    @aminaragin Месяц назад +3

    Mr Wallis - Thank you for expanding our informational database even further ! ❤

  • @AndrewConnell-tu1gj
    @AndrewConnell-tu1gj Месяц назад +122

    We are not only imprisoned in the matrix, we are the prison guards.
    We can transcend the matrix through knowledge and above all through our divinity. But our bodies are stuck here in the physical, which is the realm of Yahweh/Yaldabaoth
    Our souls belong to the One, the Source.
    🔥

    • @GreenTea3699
      @GreenTea3699 Месяц назад +4

      Where's the best source of knowledge for instruction?

    • @katiec3935
      @katiec3935 Месяц назад +16

      @@GreenTea3699 there isn't...take the simple route of meditation/giving up bad habits/bad people. Commit to fasting on a monthly basis. You will save 30 years of your life.

    • @NickNova369
      @NickNova369 Месяц назад +4

      Our Souls they were invented by the famous Greek philosopher Plato. ⚖️

    • @NickNova369
      @NickNova369 Месяц назад +17

      ELOHIM/HIM YAHWEH He is one of Two dozen of Elohims/THEM Gods"entitys that Genesis talks about.
      The Elohims/them extraterrestrial beings they are Flesh and Blood just like you and I and they are Powerful Dangerous Criminals Entities. ⚖️

    • @AndrewConnell-tu1gj
      @AndrewConnell-tu1gj Месяц назад +16

      @@GreenTea3699
      First off, read "The Secret Book of John", part one. It's a gamechanger in the nicest possible way.
      Our capacity for love above all is the content of our divinity, though I don't know of any book that deals with the topic.
      When we love, our love is part of the One Love, of Universal love through which we join with the One.
      Christ consciousness is the way forward.
      🔥

  • @mj2745
    @mj2745 Месяц назад +3

    How you manage to connect the dots never ceases to amaze me. I am grateful for your research and commitment to getting to the truth. Every time I listen to you I get if not one, but many "Ding" moments. I tried to read Plato when I was about 13-14 years old, clearly way too early. 50 years on, maybe it's time to revisit. Thank you Paul.

  • @peterellicott58
    @peterellicott58 Месяц назад +49

    The Merchant of Venice
    Act 5 Scene 1
    "Look how the floor of heaven
    Is thick inlaid with patines of bright gold:
    There's not the smallest orb which thou behold'st
    But in his motion like an angel sings,
    Still quiring to the young-eyed cherubins;
    Such harmony is in immortal souls;
    But whilst this muddy vesture of decay
    Doth grossly close it in, we cannot hear it.”
    Shakespeare knew there was a connection between the vibrations of the universe and our souls.

    • @itzakpoelzig330
      @itzakpoelzig330 Месяц назад +1

      If you believe that Shakespeare was really the Earl of Oxford, Edward de Vere (a much more convincing story than the Baconian angle, in my opinion) then he was a member of the Dragon Bloodline, same as Vlad Dracul and many others. Hints and clues are sprinkled throughout his plays.
      They revealed in the 1990s that the winner of the American presidential election is ALWAYS the candidate with the most European royal blood. These people still rule us.

    • @Sammyli99
      @Sammyli99 Месяц назад +4

      Arrrah, but was Shakey even Shakey, or just the front man for something else....

    • @anitachisnell8412
      @anitachisnell8412 Месяц назад

      @@Sammyli99have you listen to the vids about Shakespeare being three guys?

    • @anitachisnell8412
      @anitachisnell8412 Месяц назад

      Is that photo of earth real or is it a photo shop by NASA, they have made lots of them? I believe they’ve done it with Jupiter too. I don’t trust anything that comes from NASA!

    • @anitachisnell8412
      @anitachisnell8412 Месяц назад +4

      Is it possible that Plato could remote view?

  • @GreenTea3699
    @GreenTea3699 Месяц назад +13

    Wow! This was an amazing video. Just like coming out of Plato's cave, im seeing things differently. Thank you Paul

    • @tombolo4120
      @tombolo4120 Месяц назад +3

      Paul just made me wonder whether we can actually be all the way out side the cave, lol.

  • @TheFuzzynutz65
    @TheFuzzynutz65 Месяц назад +24

    Using the Kardichev scale it would appear that there are other higher level species like type 3 or type 4 and we are not even a type 1 yet.
    These higher level species are so advanced so much farther than we are that we have little or no understanding of it.
    That being said i feel its pretty obvious that these more evolved species use us in a multitude of ways in order to harvest energy.....all types of energy. Of which our life times of experiences provide those types of energy that they know how to........cultivate like a good gardener or a good farmer or rancher knows how to get the most out of their land or animals etc.. Not unlike how we do the same only their harvest is our emotional energy especially when stimulated and manipulated in countless ways. So this would explain the suffer for god belief.
    One only needs to think about all this for a while so it sinks in. Then take a whole new look at our world and at our society and all the different ways in which we could be manipulated in order to cause our extreme emotional experiences perfect for harvesting that kind of energy.
    So on that note look at what a mass shooting could provide for these harvesters. Theres the extreme horror of the event for all who are caught up in it and also theres a lot of collateral suffering and sadness and trauma etc. If theres 20 fatalities theres likely many many collateral sufferers per each victim.
    Not to mention theres wars and rumors of wars and natural disasters and just every day death and drama etc. EVER WONDER WHY ALL THAT HAPPENS? Well wonder no more. And i have studied all this intensely for decades and i truly believe that religion is one of the biggest tools of these energy harvesters. It all seems to make much more sense once our existance is examined in this way.

    • @johnpike7444
      @johnpike7444 Месяц назад

      Yes,everything you look at ,every new development,covid,lgbtp, wars,religion,race,all creates at least 2 sides,( flat earth),and creates this atmosphere of emotions,some good,mostly bad,explains the whole clown show

    • @kirkboesch9734
      @kirkboesch9734 13 дней назад

      Carlos Castaneda believed that if you recapulated your life in as much detail as possible you could feed that information to those who need it and at the time of death you would not be devoured for your "energy experience" but go free to the next level or whatever is next and free yourself from reincarnation. I may not have explained it well but I tried 😊

  • @waseemiqbal7
    @waseemiqbal7 Месяц назад +5

    One of the best of your many excellent videos. It establishes that Plato not only had a ET sighting or close entoucnter but was also a contactee and enjoyed the privilege of a trip into the heavens.

  • @darkmystic9
    @darkmystic9 Месяц назад +65

    "We all have an invisible team of helpers whose desire is to help coach us through this life." Let's evaluate their track record though. Out of the billions of people alive today, and all who have ever lived, looking honestly at the state of the world and the excruciating pain/loss many have to deal with, is it truly that we are being coached by a team of spiritual helpers? Or has a comfortable modern Western lifestyle given us confirmation bias that we must be blessed and highly favored? I'm not a Gnostic, but I do acknowledge that Yahweh/Yaldabaoth/Ya-Sabbaoth and his "team of helpers" absolutely do not have humanity's best interest in mind. There is a war going on, on multiple levels, and we should stay on guard otherwise you will end up back in a new baby body, with all memory of your current loved ones lost. The cosmos does not need us to learn through suffering. That, my friend, is the ultimate deception.

    • @itzakpoelzig330
      @itzakpoelzig330 Месяц назад +29

      Yes, thank you. That "learning through suffering" line has always pinged my bullsh!t meter. As a professional tutor, I know that when someone is suffering is when they are least able to learn anything. Suffering just causes trauma, which fractures us and breaks us down. We may be here to do something, but I can't and won't believe that it's to suffer.

    • @darkmystic9
      @darkmystic9 Месяц назад +4

      @@itzakpoelzig330 Brilliant comment! May I quote you in an upcoming video? I recently posted a thesis here on YT titled 'Crimes of the Gods' as a response to Chariots/Fingerprints/Magicians of the Gods, and plan to follow up with more evidence in collecting NDE/pre-birth data. The way you worded it with your experience as a tutor is perfect, and I'd like to screenshot that if you don't mind!

    • @PaulWallis
      @PaulWallis Месяц назад +8

      @darkmystic9 - I see it another way. If you look at the culture of the Untouchables in India, for instance, and how it is that they navigate often extremely challenging circumstances without the low self-esteem and psychological problems of people living a "comfortable modern Western lifestyle" one of the reasons for this is because of their worldview which leaves them never alone in the way Western materialism generally does. So there are a lot of layers to this story. I don't believe in a personified cosmos "needing" anything by the way. I do believe that the cosmos is a learning experience though. And if you and I are not learning along the way... What does Yahweh have to do with it in your opinion? An unpleasant colonial figure from the past IMO. Health and Peace, Paul

    • @darkmystic9
      @darkmystic9 Месяц назад +5

      @@PaulWallis Paul thank you for responding, it's an honor! I agree that Yahweh was an unpleasant episode in our history. I politely challenge the idea that untouchables of India go "without low self-esteem and psychological problems" like those of us in the West. On the contrary, there has been significant research and unyielding activism in the mistreatment and devaluing of the lower castes of India and how it significantly harms their mental health and psychological well-being (Gupta, Coffey 2020 NIH). May you provide data to support the notion that they don't have the kind of self-esteem issues we face in the West so we can compare notes? If the cosmos is indeed a learning experience, then let's learn together (and without all the trauma) 🙂

    • @Worlds_to_Explore
      @Worlds_to_Explore Месяц назад +2

      I am reminded of the passage in the bible about not putting old wine in new skins, but I think that metaphorically, that is what humans are.

  • @gillyrcgilmore3742
    @gillyrcgilmore3742 Месяц назад +11

    Love requires no energy and you feel wonderful afterwards. Hate consumes all your energy and you feel horrible afterwards. It's just common sense once you open your eyes. ❤

    • @vincemarshall8550
      @vincemarshall8550 Месяц назад +3

      then why are the rulers of this world so despicable they only love themselves

    • @gillyrcgilmore3742
      @gillyrcgilmore3742 Месяц назад +1

      @@vincemarshall8550 corrupted by greed

    • @vincemarshall8550
      @vincemarshall8550 Месяц назад +1

      @@gillyrcgilmore3742 agree

    • @gillyrcgilmore3742
      @gillyrcgilmore3742 Месяц назад

      @@vincemarshall8550 only 1 in a 100000 people have the conviction and integrity to be able to lead a country without greed. Almost impossible odds sadly.

  • @demetrakaradima3489
    @demetrakaradima3489 Месяц назад +3

    Paul Wallis ❗Magnificence in your presentation of The Greatest Philosopher of all times Plato!!combine with Socrates!!
    I am Greatful of your Knowledge of This video and all the rest! Please don't stop informing Us!! Such a Gifted Soul ❗📉🙏💙🌀💎😌📈

  • @denisevanselow2722
    @denisevanselow2722 Месяц назад +2

    thank you Paul for your continued curiosity and courage in all your timely disclosures connecting so many historic dots. Love it all. We are truly on the wave of the next.

  • @mercuriaazalieu6335
    @mercuriaazalieu6335 Месяц назад +4

    Brilliant. Absolutely Beautiful. Thank You.

  • @TheklaSuktalim
    @TheklaSuktalim Месяц назад +63

    Earth is a LOOSH Farm.
    Of course we are!
    Forever Conscious Research Channel

    • @TheFuzzynutz65
      @TheFuzzynutz65 Месяц назад +4

      Bingo.

    • @volpeverde6441
      @volpeverde6441 Месяц назад +2

      LOOSH = ENERGY FOR INTER-DIMENSIONAL PARASITES....WATCHERS/ANNUNAKI/OLD GODS....remains of the GIANTS/NEPHILIM/MONSTERS/THERIANTHROPES/ANIMAL + HUMAN MIMICS....

    • @charleygnarly1182
      @charleygnarly1182 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@volpeverde6441 is that why I have the sleep paralysis dreams of being "harvested"... electric currents from my neck, and entities surrounding me. I suspected that.. it feels like that

    • @volpeverde6441
      @volpeverde6441 Месяц назад

      @charleygnarly1182
      ABSOLUTELY....I have been ABDUCTED by the 'Greys' who are NOT aliens - but daemonic energy parasites.....since I was 6 (1969-70)
      the electric shocks on your lymph glands are common....

    • @systemicsystems703
      @systemicsystems703 Месяц назад

      Pooty-tang award 👏 ✨️ 💩

  • @davidsharp398
    @davidsharp398 Месяц назад +3

    For what it's worth! EXCELLENT BROADCAST

  • @dj-tn6in
    @dj-tn6in Месяц назад +2

    Beautiful closure as always Paul. Blessings!❤❤❤❤

  • @danielmoore3602
    @danielmoore3602 Месяц назад +3

    This is one of the best videos I’ve seen for a while bro thankyou. I’m going into Plato/solon/socrates next x

  • @MercedesCruz-qe1nj
    @MercedesCruz-qe1nj Месяц назад +2

    Thank you for this wonderful lecture. I was taken back to Humanities 101 class at the U P R. In 1962, only this time, you are giving us a deeper understanding of Plato's words, ourselves, and the universe.

  • @mauriceseth1679
    @mauriceseth1679 Месяц назад +3

    That was an outstanding presentation. Thank you so much. Love your work.

  • @darrellhobbstattoos4505
    @darrellhobbstattoos4505 Месяц назад +2

    This was fantastic, the message very well delivered

  • @djamawu8
    @djamawu8 Месяц назад +5

    Excellent presentation. Thanks Paul.

    • @PaulWallis
      @PaulWallis Месяц назад

      @djamawu8 - Thank you Kofi! Glad you enjoyed this one. Blessings, Paul

  • @seemycurls
    @seemycurls Месяц назад +4

    WOW..... That was superb 👏🏽 ❤😊. Thanks, Paul & Tony .

    • @PaulWallis
      @PaulWallis Месяц назад

      @seemycurls - Thank you My Lovely! XXX

  • @DrMARDOC
    @DrMARDOC Месяц назад +4

    Studying John Lamb Lash and his research into the Gnostics, Archons,Eons, Gaia-Sophia and more…. Is quite enlightening

  • @donaldyoung6476
    @donaldyoung6476 Месяц назад +1

    Good to hear from you again, I respect your knowledge

  • @lovedaybebe5881
    @lovedaybebe5881 Месяц назад +14

    I suspect that we are, but I feel free in nature 🙏🏻 watching the sunrise or sunset , sitting by a river or the sea . They can’t take that away from me 🙏🏻

    • @Plethorality
      @Plethorality Месяц назад +1

      Or the way you wear your hat
      The way you sip your tea....

    • @lovedaybebe5881
      @lovedaybebe5881 Месяц назад

      @@Plethorality The memory of all that 🙏🏻

    • @johnpike7444
      @johnpike7444 Месяц назад +2

      Well right now if you were in palestine,lebbanon,donbass,or Caroline think you'll find they are living in a different reality

    • @lovedaybebe5881
      @lovedaybebe5881 Месяц назад +1

      @@johnpike7444 I know , and I do appreciate the life that I have now . I was homeless for a few years. I think that having had nothing , makes me appreciate my life now .

  • @helenenorman3598
    @helenenorman3598 Месяц назад +2

    Blessings from Sweden 🇸🇪

  • @ucheedochie3475
    @ucheedochie3475 Месяц назад +8

    Thanks Paul. You are a genius. Your voice is perfect for narrating almost anything. So soothing that even the most distracted people can pay attention. I was wondering if you would consider covering the issue of life after death in detail. It would mean of course expanding what you are already doing.
    By this I mean what happens after we die? Where do we go? Is there a reincarnation trap/loop and if so, how do we overcome it or avoid it? It has been said by people who journey into the astral that their are entities there who approach us after we die disguised as our guides/family members with the intention of leading us back into this endless earth reincarnation loop using unpaid karma as their weapon of coercion. The goal? The endless harvesting of mankind under the guise of 'we still have so much to learn and we need to grow'.
    Is this true? I have been hearing a lot about this lately from all kinds of trusted sources in this field. But we need this issue explored in detail. I believe it is the most pressing issue of our time. How do we engineer a jail break out of this prison planet? It will be nice if you can explore this topic and expand it with clarity and well researched facts. If anyone can crack this topic, it is you. Again thanks Paul for all you do.

  • @CrazyBear65
    @CrazyBear65 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you Paul. You are doing the world a great service.

  • @rafdominguez7627
    @rafdominguez7627 Месяц назад +7

    Looking forward to this, Paul
    Would you happen to have any material on Melchizedek?

  • @SaintJermania
    @SaintJermania Месяц назад +8

    It's not a prison, it's an egg, we have to break out of our shell. No one can do it for us, no one can do it for you. Good luck!

  • @nickstoic3758
    @nickstoic3758 Месяц назад +2

    Thank you Paul, awesome as always. Still cannot imagine where the friendly entities are right now, unless they are working behind the scenes and keep helping us from there.

  • @pastorwilliamhay1687
    @pastorwilliamhay1687 Месяц назад +3

    Thanks Paul. Great one.

  • @TheFuzzynutz65
    @TheFuzzynutz65 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you again Mr Wallis you have done your homework and provided the rest of us the opportunity to know it as well.

  • @PraySeven
    @PraySeven Месяц назад +4

    Grand Risings 2 All💯💯💯💯💯
    Great Day Mr. Wallis💯💯💯💯💯
    Thank U 4 The Knowledge U Share With All💯💯💯💯💯
    DeuceZ Up, Pray7

  • @juliehamilton5689
    @juliehamilton5689 Месяц назад +2

    Thank you Paul for this excellent information! Love from the UK 💛

  • @TheJOHNNO2
    @TheJOHNNO2 Месяц назад +12

    I don't think we are imprisoned. I actually think we are in hell.

  • @darxtar369
    @darxtar369 Месяц назад +1

    Outstanding material as always. Never disappointed with your perspective and content 😇

  • @darkmystic9
    @darkmystic9 Месяц назад +8

    For those of you who answered YES to are we imprisoned, my thesis 'Crimes of the Gods' here on YT is an address to Chariots/Fingerprints/Magicians of the Gods with the perspective from pre-birth memories and NDE data that we are indeed in a reincarnation cycle loop. If interested in how we wound up in this "school" (which actually isn't a school) please consider checking it out and giving feedback. As always, we thank Paul and the 5th Kind for doing the bravest thing one can do: question the very ethos of our supposed creator.

  • @humanity9158
    @humanity9158 Месяц назад +1

    Woow!! Standing ovation for you Paul Willis.. I didn't know all these about Plato...and yes he really interacted with other beings... his teachings was beyond the consciousness of the Masses then.

  • @RandyBrickley
    @RandyBrickley Месяц назад +13

    We are all ultimately imprisoned by our senses. If I can satisfy your 5 senses I can convince you of any reality.

  • @billhartman8217
    @billhartman8217 Месяц назад +1

    I Love this description of Plato's writings.
    I would Love to read the myself now.

  • @eleyanalake1069
    @eleyanalake1069 Месяц назад +3

    When we fully wake up! We will then realise that it was all a dream!!!😂 (Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream)!!!😂 Love it All!!🙏

  • @bkm2797
    @bkm2797 Месяц назад +1

    Fascinating presentation Paul, love how you take us on these thought provoking journey's, and how we might connect these historic figures with each other. Thank you, your hard work is most appreciated!👍❤🕊

  • @jeankavanagh3482
    @jeankavanagh3482 Месяц назад +23

    I do believe there,
    (is more).... Than humanity and earth!
    But if the higher, more intelligent beings care about this planet why has so much evil and cruelty been allowed to cause so much pain and suffering?

    • @darkmystic9
      @darkmystic9 Месяц назад +8

      because those "higher" beings feed off of human suffering unfortunately

    • @itzakpoelzig330
      @itzakpoelzig330 Месяц назад +16

      According to the Slavic Vedas (and who knows how trustworthy they are), the reason our planet has been experiencing so much suffering is that we are going through our apogee from the galactic center, thus putting us into a range where evil is possible. The natives of this outer part of space (outer darkness) are such creatures as can only live in hellish regions. Since our planet was in their space, they were able to invade (in a mostly non-material way) and run things how they like them, a.k.a. will plenty of cruelty and destruction.
      We left their range of space in 2012 (again, according to the Slavic Vedas) and we are now passing through a sort of DMZ on our way to our perigee. In that range of space, closer to the galactic center, the native inhabitants are more like what we might call angels. They're very familiar with us since we've been there before, during other cycles.
      All of this ties in very neatly with Sri Yukteswar's interpretation of the (Indian) Vedic premise of the Yugas. According to Yukteswar, we left the Kali Yuga in 1699 and are now moving through a sort of low-middling region in our celestial journey, on our way to the better, brighter, more spiritual Yugas.
      I think the two sources are saying more or less the same thing, just expressed slightly differently. The Slavic Vedas promise that our friends, the spiritual beings that were with us in the previous golden ages, will come back and help us to oust the demonic beings that are still hanging on to us.
      We shall see.

    • @samualcrocket1405
      @samualcrocket1405 Месяц назад

      Earth's survival is parasidic in its nature.
      These beings ate no different. They use their Earth slaves to provide etheric food without our knowledge and only experienced by the darin in our energy fields.
      Ir is beyyer to never assume anyone is higher than you, They just hold advantages that they keep from you. To evolve off this planet one would have to break their cycles of reincarnation with amnesia, programed astral personalities, destinies and compulsive thinking.

    • @jeankavanagh3482
      @jeankavanagh3482 Месяц назад +1

      @@itzakpoelzig330
      That sounds very much like a wider version of all the wars humans have created, from a desire to have power over all? Very sad 😔

    • @cabritsanscorgaming
      @cabritsanscorgaming Месяц назад

      Because interference isn't allowed.

  • @SolutionsWithin
    @SolutionsWithin 23 дня назад

    Amazing and edifying stuff. Very thankful to have access to your work. 🙏🙋🏻‍♀

  • @YaAllNeedJesus
    @YaAllNeedJesus Месяц назад +6

    Sounds about right. 😊

  • @michellebruton6287
    @michellebruton6287 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for another wonderful video Paul 💜

  • @erzsebethyoung
    @erzsebethyoung Месяц назад +5

    Isaiah 55: 8-9
    Verse 8
    " For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways" declares the Lord
    Verse 9
    " As the heavens are higher than the Earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts are highet than your thoughts"

    • @PaulWallis
      @PaulWallis Месяц назад +3

      @erzsebethyoung - How do you believe these verses relate to what we are discussing here? Should we not endeavour to escape the cave? Peace, Paul

  • @oxyblue80
    @oxyblue80 Месяц назад

    As always a wonderful presentation. Fantastic work Paul! 👍

  • @belladonnatook8851
    @belladonnatook8851 Месяц назад +3

    I don't know. I think we are all here in whichever cycle of life we're in to learn lessons to enhance a greater understanding of ourselves & our place in the cosmos. When we've mastered a lesson, we move on to the next lesson and the next and so on. If we don't learn the lesson, we repeat until we have. We are all on "the path unwinding in the circle of life."

  • @carolinegray7510
    @carolinegray7510 Месяц назад +2

    You mentioned the cave and Plato's description of leaving it....I was reminded of a small tribe of insular natives in S. A. The Momas(so pronounced, spelling doubtful).
    Their practice is to take a baby into their cave. During the 18 or so years that the child is there, they are taught what is outside the cave. Try to describe a butterfly to one who's never seen a tree, stream, trees etc.
    When they first walk out of the cave, their senses have been tuned to only descriptions but the learning opens them to the new visuals with a completely mind/spirit point of view.
    ( A PBS special in the 80's +-)

  • @juliedawes
    @juliedawes Месяц назад +16

    I'm not religious and this is only my opinion. I don't understand how they can know the Devil was sent here. That the jealous and cruel things that have happened under this...God is for....love? Yeah right. 😐
    The true creator love's me and everyone else no matter what. I know this as love is the highest vibration and travels without arcing/ arking at all.❤️🙏

    • @DipayanPyne94
      @DipayanPyne94 Месяц назад

      No. The true creator does not !

    • @juliedawes
      @juliedawes Месяц назад

      @@DipayanPyne94 and you are allowed your opinion. It would be nice with an explanation no exclamation mark though. I did say it's my opinion. 🙂🙏

    • @carringtonherrington4025
      @carringtonherrington4025 Месяц назад +6

      Research Paul’s teachings.. the god of the bible is not who we were taught he was.. not the god of love

    • @mikieemiike3979
      @mikieemiike3979 Месяц назад +3

      ​@@DipayanPyne94No one knows anything of the Creator. The Creator is way above anything we can say or do. He would look nor behave nothing like the so-called god(s) of the Bible.

    • @mikieemiike3979
      @mikieemiike3979 Месяц назад +1

      @@carringtonherrington4025 Precisely. Paul contradicts Jesus and Jesus contradicts the Torah.

  • @HeleneF.-xt4kq
    @HeleneF.-xt4kq Месяц назад +1

    Thank's for all that you do Paul. 🙏

  • @Islandvibes-b3c
    @Islandvibes-b3c Месяц назад +8

    My ancestors are carved in wood. They are depicted as short beings with 3 digits on both hands and feet. Very large head and eyes. I am Maaori of Aotearoa New Zealand. Our mythology say we come from the stars, some of our story's of mythilogical beings both on land and in the lakes, rivers, and oceans. Kia Ora ki Aotearoa.

    • @bahaar2825
      @bahaar2825 Месяц назад +1

      ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @DJCaptainPicard1701
    @DJCaptainPicard1701 Месяц назад +1

    Excellent video, Paul! I need to read more Plato.

  • @Sergiusmagni
    @Sergiusmagni Месяц назад +10

    I have always wondered (well since I think I had use of my brain) why human beings, can't live in peace. The whole history has been about wars against each other, armies of the heaven, armies of the east and the west, ridiculous, who dominates who, there is a lot of rage and hate in our hearts and that is the reason why I find it impossible to believe that we are a blue creation, the God of Love would've made us with these feeling towards each other, I am not saying I am a saint, I am another one that is trying my best.

    • @pipfox7834
      @pipfox7834 Месяц назад +1

      Paul's earlier videos from four years ago provide surprising answers to your questions on war, hatred, conflict.

    • @whitemountainapache3297
      @whitemountainapache3297 Месяц назад

      We're a genetically modified ape. A social animal. We just have a percentage of our creators's dna in in us, which gives us a level of intelligence that other animals don't have. But we're still social animals, and we live in troops, clans, tribes etc, and we have alphas and followers, and we fight against others.

    • @Johnmountainstone
      @Johnmountainstone 15 дней назад

      War has nothing to do with anger or hate. It's simply an extention of political goals. Even the soldiers on the ground are not full of hate...its a job for them. But I do agree that constant conflict is kind of ridiculous.

    • @pipfox7834
      @pipfox7834 14 дней назад

      ​​@@Johnmountainstoneand civilian wars? Ethnic wars? What motivated those....few soldiers to be seen there at all. Sri Lanka, for instance?

  • @maricamicallef9545
    @maricamicallef9545 Месяц назад +1

    Thanks for this amazing information Paul. You are a gem to this world.♥️

  • @LisaLisa-zx8fh
    @LisaLisa-zx8fh Месяц назад +27

    Remember the earth is suppose to be spinning 1100mph and traveling through our solar system 6600mph. What's wrong with this pic?

    • @PaulWallis
      @PaulWallis Месяц назад +10

      @LisaLisa-zx8fh - Nothing is wrong with that picture. You got that right, though we need to add also the movement of the solar system and the galaxy, of course! The organising principle is gravity, something we have understood in current terms (moreorless) for 350 years, ie since Newton, but which was understood in other language by Copernicus, Galileo, Bruno, Plato and other greats before their time. Health and Peace, Paul

    • @jayredeye6889
      @jayredeye6889 Месяц назад +3

      Nothing. Lol

    • @lorenzkraus6888
      @lorenzkraus6888 Месяц назад +3

      Cartoons pitched as real. Extra-terrestials are less than 1 million miles away by landrover.

    • @MaryKingsley-l1q
      @MaryKingsley-l1q Месяц назад +5

      @@PaulWallishow many lay on their back and spend hours star gazing? When we do, we know for sure how fast everything is moving.

    • @PaulWallis
      @PaulWallis Месяц назад +3

      @@MaryKingsley-l1q Not sure what you mean here (?) It sounds like you are saying that you don't think the planets and stars are moving(?) Do I have that right? Or are you saying that the best way to detect the movement is simply to watch the skies? If so I agree with you! Perhaps you would like to clarify what you mean? Health and Peace, Paul

  • @JMcT57
    @JMcT57 Месяц назад

    I have been saying this for decades, I don’t know where the knowledge came from, but it came as a youngster. Thank you for sharing this. Profound sense of being.

  • @katsiduzynski488
    @katsiduzynski488 Месяц назад +4

    The ones he describes who are longer lived are the ANNUNAKI.

  • @JJThuRL69
    @JJThuRL69 Месяц назад

    Absolutely fantastic, the way you explained the writing of Plato makes me want to read it myself, your videos are enlightening and a pleasure to watch, thank you so much for all your hard work

  • @splagyetsi3287
    @splagyetsi3287 Месяц назад +5

    Our soul is imprisoned inside out body and our consciousness imprisoned inside our brains. Our bodies are imprisoned on a a planet with high walls (gravity) and with a surrounding electric fence (Van Allen radiation fields) The only bit we are not sure about is the guards of this prison if they are need at all.

    • @maryhuckaby2239
      @maryhuckaby2239 Месяц назад

      "Our soul is imprisoned inside (our) body...". Hm-m-m. Why couldn't it be the other way around? Our bodies (material reality) generates our souls. We are beholden to earth (material reality) for the creation of our souls. Our souls are a precious, new-born entity that emerges from the material/electrical interactions in our brains (and possibly also between brains, i.e., interactions with other humans), dependent, of course, on our bodies nourishing our brains. The body, which dies, creates the soul which doesn't die. Evidence that the soul doesn't die is everywhere: there are no straight lines in the Universe.
      Your typo ('out body'/our body) may mean more than a random mistake. The soul emerges out of the body and is freed when the body is no more.

    • @pharaohraheemangelofdeath
      @pharaohraheemangelofdeath Месяц назад +1

      They eat your energy from suffering they also love your babies blood (adrenochrome) hiding underneath and oh! Yeah i forgot they recylcle your souls 4 energy it's the Aliens welcome to the soul reincarnation trap❗️😎

    • @petervermeer.4904
      @petervermeer.4904 Месяц назад

      Our soul and our consciousness (call it any name you want) can escape our body. Sometimes it can happen by accident, some people can do it when they want to, also some drugs can make that happen.
      I'm not saying those "things" are not imprisoned. But there are people who can open the prison door for some time, and return again to their body. It's a technique, but i'm not sure everyone can do it, or learn it.

  • @dragosniculescu6877
    @dragosniculescu6877 Месяц назад +1

    An exceptional instructive video, in a series of other exceptional ones from you. Thank you very much.

  • @vhslagter1
    @vhslagter1 Месяц назад +7

    It's very interesting but very annoying that they are constantly putting up advertisements. Okay, I understand that advertisements are necessary, but please, at the beginning, it's okay, don't break the immersion. lol

  • @OutOfWards
    @OutOfWards Месяц назад +1

    Thank you Paul. I always wondered why no one talked about Plato and his deeper insights which are known today as facts.

  • @Tree-thingz
    @Tree-thingz Месяц назад +3

    Yes, yes we are

  • @rickducharme7429
    @rickducharme7429 Месяц назад +1

    excellent video. you are a much needed voice of wisdom and insight, and a fount of knowledge..

  • @viclimited9081
    @viclimited9081 Месяц назад +6

    ......noone told them the earth pictures are fake.....any other pictures of earth in last 50 years...? you'd thought.......oh what's the point....

  • @MichaelLittle47
    @MichaelLittle47 Месяц назад +1

    I'm starting to feel that I am the modern day Plato, and you are the modern day Socrates. Well done sir. 👏👏

  • @darklight9238
    @darklight9238 Месяц назад +3

    Initially, I came up with this hypothesis a few days back.

    • @PaulWallis
      @PaulWallis Месяц назад

      @darklight9238 - Great minds! Peace, Paul

  • @NaiomaEmanuel-qp7so
    @NaiomaEmanuel-qp7so Месяц назад

    I am forever a fan of Plato! It is hard to argue his teachings.

  • @EmeraldEyesBibleSecrets
    @EmeraldEyesBibleSecrets Месяц назад +6

    So God is Theos in Greek. God is THE OS, the Operating system of the May Tricks.

    • @ollonskall3
      @ollonskall3 Месяц назад +2

      Yeah and we're living in his-story

    • @ketsune23
      @ketsune23 Месяц назад

      That is esoteric english? i mean it works in english but not in french or italian

    • @ollonskall3
      @ollonskall3 Месяц назад

      @ketsune23
      Άγγελο (angelo) means angel in greek.
      Αγγλία (anglia) means eng-land.
      Αγγλικά (anglika) is the English language.
      In my perspective/view, the language of the angels, whatever that means.

    • @ketsune23
      @ketsune23 Месяц назад

      @@ollonskall3 Is English derived from Greek? No. So your analogies are just nonsense.
      The word Angle comes from the homeland of the tribe of the Angles which is Angeln, Germany it has nothing to do with angels. England simple means the land of Angles

    • @ollonskall3
      @ollonskall3 Месяц назад

      @ketsune23
      Oh dude, are you 15 years old? Chill! Read what I wrote. And yes!! Absolutely most of European languages borrowed from ancient greek.
      Anglia=land of angels.
      Angelos=angel.
      Anglika=eng-lish.

  • @curtsoulonline
    @curtsoulonline 20 дней назад

    Now this was an interesting watch! Bro never disappoints

  • @MarcellaTarotXuxuy
    @MarcellaTarotXuxuy Месяц назад +51

    We ARE imprisoned

    • @Sammyli99
      @Sammyli99 Месяц назад +14

      By ourselves. If we were really intelligent and organized, the cage, as such, would be gone.😮

    • @NickNova369
      @NickNova369 Месяц назад +7

      They don't deal with us because we Savages. Unfortunately 😢

    • @MarcellaTarotXuxuy
      @MarcellaTarotXuxuy Месяц назад +6

      @@Sammyli99 yes, yes yes credit card, car...clothes...hollidays... drugs...lifestyle

    • @danpaulisbitski
      @danpaulisbitski Месяц назад

      Your cell is locked from the inside. Open it and freedom awaits you.

    • @debbywebby7234
      @debbywebby7234 Месяц назад +2

      WERE

  • @SmashPlayz
    @SmashPlayz Месяц назад +1

    One of the more fascinating videos I've seen recently and I watch a lot of RUclips!

  • @nicolegraham1238
    @nicolegraham1238 Месяц назад +19

    They have never been to the moon 😢

  • @kathleenmacfarland1817
    @kathleenmacfarland1817 Месяц назад +1

    Thank You PLATO SIR! And Thank You Paul Wallis! 💜🧡💚💙🤍

  • @TheoPencil
    @TheoPencil Месяц назад +12

    Replace the word SPACE with AETHER and every puzzle is solved. (science unknowingly names AETHER as DARK ENERGY

    • @PaulWallis
      @PaulWallis Месяц назад +1

      @TheoPencil - Yes, you're onto something! Peace, Paul

    • @chrisray6385
      @chrisray6385 Месяц назад +1

      @@TheoPencil
      Intention:
      1. Holds it all together
      2. Tears it all apart
      3. Both simaltaniously

  • @KatarinaWhite-d5k
    @KatarinaWhite-d5k 23 дня назад

    Oh my goodness Paul... what another great podcast...
    My friend, you are educating me on topics l had 'no' interest in when l was in school... thankyou 😊
    And finally, l have to say this man 'Plato' is most fascinating...
    That even l would have loved to meet him, and sit with him, and talk with him, just as l love listening to you and what you are kindly sharing with humanity...
    Thankyou Paul... have a wonderful day 😊

  • @AwakenedWarrior
    @AwakenedWarrior Месяц назад +19

    When you live on their fake ball.
    Playing on their fake field.
    With their fake money.
    Living by their fake rules.
    Does one need to ask ???

    • @Fido-vm9zi
      @Fido-vm9zi Месяц назад

      Not fake to everyone. If you take, take, take you can live in palaces with luscious gardens in beautiful towns.

    • @AwakenedWarrior
      @AwakenedWarrior Месяц назад

      @@Fido-vm9zi
      If its not fake to everyone. Then those people are still living in the lies & illusions of la la land.
      We, do not live, on a water ball. Spinning out of control. Lost in the "fake" vacuum of space. Thinking all of this was created by a "big bang".
      An impossible theory.
      Where, nothing, collided with nothing. Exploded and created everything.
      Does one know what happens to objects when in a vacuum ?
      Does one know that a vacuum must have containment ?
      Does one know that, gasses in a vacuum, is impossible ?
      Everything about the, helio-non-sencical theory, is mathematically and scientifically impossible.
      Once one realizes who, what and where, one truly is.
      Life changing !!!

    • @emmanuelwolfmusic410
      @emmanuelwolfmusic410 Месяц назад +1

      Absolutely true, we do not live on a ball, that's for sure.

    • @AwakenedWarrior
      @AwakenedWarrior Месяц назад

      @@emmanuelwolfmusic410
      Now look at the simulation theory.
      Check out...
      Darius J Wright
      Peace to you...

  • @RG-pc1no
    @RG-pc1no 15 дней назад

    Intellectuality at it's best. Thank you.

  • @czeszkiewiczglobal
    @czeszkiewiczglobal Месяц назад +1

    Awesome video, Paul, I totally agree with you! :) I think that Plato's cave description may be a description of a condition of being after being "awakened" with the use of psychedelics - it is very similar to experiences of people who did that and even to how many secret societies work.

  • @Mukulu-r7c
    @Mukulu-r7c Месяц назад +9

    We have been colonized by at least 5 alien nations and they feed on our suffering. So yes this is a slave, prison planet.

    • @maryhuckaby2239
      @maryhuckaby2239 Месяц назад

      I know how you feel. I have fantasies of meeting those Anunnaki bastards who created us then abandoned us and punching them in the nose. I don't think they're still around. I think maybe they got yanked by a higher power. And I don't think we're on a prison planet, but perhaps a protectorate of some kind. We weren't supposed to be created but, since we were and we are sentient, the higher beings who sanctioned the Anunnaki have isolated us for some reason (for instance, that we are a dangerous hybrid that could wreak havoc in our neighborhood, or that we are vulnerable to further manipulation or to being extinguished, as the Great Flood portends). (Anunnaki got disgusted with us - not good slaves, "too loud," as the Sumerian texts say, and breeding too much - and tried to wipe us out.)
      I don't know about "feeding on our suffering" nor have I heard of 5 alien nations. Just the one: the Anunnaki. Evidence is they were just greedy, arrogant, squabbling SOBs, with perhaps just one of them having a bit compassion (the one who warned 'Moses'). But I can see that, if you look beyond Sumer, to India, Latin America, etc., there could have been other alien groups who messed around here.