Peter Windsor: "Alonso's Penalty Was A Complete JOKE!"
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2024
- Interview with @peterwindsor talking F1 news today and F1 updates, was Fernando Alonso's brake test penalty fair, should George Russell have been more aware that Alonso was in front of him and how does @peterwindsor rate Carlos Sainz' performance in the F1 2024 Australian Grand Prix, have Ferrari made a mistake trading Sainz for Lewis Hamilton and what F1 team will he join in 2025?
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Did Alonso 'Brake test' George Russell?
Don’t think he did, but what the hell was he doing?
He did! Verstappen did as well
no, but f1 penaltys have become moronic in recent years
He was complaining on radio about problems with car then Russell came up with DRS...
Yes, he admitted it.
Alonso was being chased by a faster car. He would have been overtaken. He was attempting to work through the turn differently to maintain position. He was using driving strategy versus straight line speed. He gets to do that. George Russell has some responsibility for the way he is following and how he is planning an overtake. This is a racing incident. You can't legislate everything.
THIS
Not convinced he would have passed Alonso. I think we are seeing serious deficiencies in Russell’s racecraft.
If anything I think it’s more likely he would’ve taken out both himself & Alonso into the fast chicane or after into T13
Don't ever tell a corporation they can't legislate everything... Personal opinion, this is being used as a smokescreen, to stop people asking why no red flag was dropped, when the race director normally throws a red flag for something easily manageable with yellow flags...
@@F1Purist1950 omg you have an F1 overtake crystal Ball ...that's hilarious
Russell is well know for crashing cars and always with excuses BS.😡
This penalty is ridiculous. Cars have drivers for a reason. It is the driver who drives the car and applies tactics, strategy, and maneuvers according to his judgment. Alonso was clearly far enough ahead of Russel for Russel to react, which Russel failed to do.
The ruling of the stewards implies that the stewards know better than Alonso how Alonso's car should have been driven. Maybe the stewards should drive the cars? Perhaps they should have driven Russell's car and avoided the slide that led to the crash?
George just zones in to the car ahead too much and isn’t driving his own line.
Lando led him into the wall late last year by simply taking a different line, knowing George would follow or not - it relieved the pressure on Lando.
I think it’s a system of the DRS pass, there’s ZERO creativity in driving lines anymore, it’s just whoever is a bit faster can make the pass and you can’t defend. Just make it a fuckin time trial if this is what you want to watch
This was abundantly clear from watching his onboard into that corner: Alonso goes into regen, the lights are flashing 4 times before he even gets to that corner, and is still slowing down while Russell just kept his foot planted on the throttle, until it was too late. I get it, it's a long race, you're focusing on the car in front for a long time, but that's all the more reason why you have to stay focused. I like Russell, he has a lot of skill, but he has too many of these mental lapses.
I think F1 would be better with a push-to-pass system rather than DRS how it is operated currently.
@@rars0n F1 used to have an Overtake button, then KERS. They still have a ton of different modes that can affect power. I think that going back to a combination of Overtake (or PTP if you prefer) and DRS would be interesting. Especially if they also allow active aero.
I like how IndyCar gives drivers a set amount of time to race on the button. That could certainly incorporate well to F1.
Exactly. Everybody is claiming overtaking is hard. NO! Overtaking is way to easy on most circuits. Back in the day most overatkes were proper battles. Nowadays 95% of overtakes are very easy DRS passes on the straight.
I love WRC but F1 is not WRC. The on-track racing is what makes the sport different.
Best part was exactly this: Younger generation needs to be more aware of who they are racing. I see a lot of the young turks behaving in a way where they seem to dismiss older , more experienced drivers just because they are either driving slower cars or because they are not world champions. But they have experienced an era where racing was harder and tougher.
Also Justin experience in general
Really, Verstappen will have you off the road in a heartbeat it's not just old timers like Alonso and Schumacher.
If Alonso has to resort to this BS it is time he retired.
@@nochops1781 Are you on drugs? :D Alonso has been doing this for the past 20 years.. was it time to retire then? Or when exactly? :D
@@MisoElEven Alonso has not been doing this for twenty years. If he had he would have been banned by now. Idiot.
Russell should have learned that trick in Carting. Fernando is an old school guy who is difficult to pass. A driver defending his position has few options, (They can't block) but they can alter their speed. I doubt Lewis or Max would have been caught out the way George was.
At least half the grid wouldn't have been caught out the way George was (ie wrecking into the wall just because the guy in front of you slowed down a little).
I honestly don't think that Lance Stroll would have wrecked in that situation.
Thank you for this. Alonso does this every season it’s quite normal for a defending driver to change his driving pattern. In fact Alonso did it to Lewis in 2022 and 2023 and Lewis didn’t crash! George seems to be a quick driver over a single lap, but his race pace and ability under pressure is lacking.
Pérez was like 20 laps behind Alonso in Brazil last year, and he didn't go. And Alonso was driving the same, changing lines, breaking early to he could accelerate early.
But a brit crashes and Herbert is there, penalty, and 20s so he loses 2 places. Absurd.
There is a 0% chance Max or Lewis would have crashed.
I think a broad definition of brake test is being used here. Where is the limit? He braked 100m too early here. Is 50m allowed? 40? 70? What is OK and what is not OK.
Then regardless of a brake test or not. George's reaction to Fernando's move was quite poor.
He braked differend from laps befeore and laps after. Telemetry shows it all. He braked 100 earlier than usual.
@@damirkolar5197is changing braking points and/or cornering speed from lap to lap illegal?
@@GrumblingForesightin the middle of a straight yes. In a high speed corner, I would debate yes. In a low speed corner likely not. That was a high speed corner. I think it's important to emphasize where on the track this happened. Also to keep in mind this is when there is an opposing car nearby. It's not just changing braking points when he's by himself
In my opinion the big deal is that he got back on the accelerator to then brake for the corner. That's erratic driving.
@@bsrbck no if the driver behind drives dangerously they should also be penalized. Alonso didn't just lift. He lifted early, braked, accelerated again, braked again, then accelerated again all in a high speed corner. That's hazardous when there's a car nearby both going at high speed
Alonso's penalty was a joke and makes F1 die a little in my heart.
Well said 🥹
George is a flincher…to use Mr Windsor’s terms, ‘GR car control is no where near as subtle or smooth with his vehicle manipulation as Lewis or Max’. You can see how jerky he drives .
Agree
George is outdriving and outqualifying the highest achieving race driver of all times.
If that move from Alonso gets him to end up in a wall it’s safe to assume the move was super dangerous.
@@IZn0g0uDatAll Russell already admitted he was the one who made the mistake, Alonso's move was nothing unusual at all in racing as a whole and it wasn't even close to be illegal. Putting your car in a peculiar position with a peculiar pace in a corner had always been a legit defensive move in wheel-to-wheel racing. It was always the responsibility of the chase driver to anticipate and adapt to the changes, or else defending would not exists at all.
Right answer, George has crashed so many times in situations like this, that it made me think he was blind or something.. He just drives like there is no-one else on the track, like he is solo qualifying. He doesn't ease of the throttle or anything. Probably he thinks they are all ghost cars or something. If someone lifts, you lift.. if someone takes a different line to take a corner, you adjust.. they are not ghost cars.
Remember the Bottas crash? Same thing he just drove like Bottas wasn't there, he just ran into him.
This crash he didn't even lift.. he just ran full throttle and because he was close he lost the frontend.. if he was closer he would have taken them both out like he did with Bottas.
The guy is dangerous.. Typical FIA they punished the wrong guy.
@@IZn0g0uDatAll Russell is supposed to be a professional and should be driving his own car. You crash because of something a guy 2-3 car lengths did you're a bad driver. And as far as out-xyz , George is overdriving the car and that's why he crashes. You cant drive a Corolla the same way you can drive a Supra, but you can try to send it it in a Corolla if you want, probably crash like George.
Alonso's regen lights were flashing, he was clearly going to be slower, that's the point of the flashing lights. Russell ignored it and paid the price
Thank you Cameron for having Peter on the channel
No thank you Edison for continuing to watch 🙏🏾
@@bsrbck He's excellent. What don't you like?
Always a pleasure watching you and Peter talk about F1, whether it is 30 mins or 1 hour it always seems too short
“The goatiest of goats!”
😂😂😂
If you turn in on someone or run out on them and crash them out, you would have got less than half the penalty that Fernando got for changing his approach to a turn.
Yeah, ask Hamilton after Silverstone 2021
Russell needs to learn how to drive and not crash.
Georpedo Crashell strikes again!
Russell is well know for crashing cars and always with excuses BS.😡
Hmm ya weird, 57 clean laps of 58 did something happen on the last lap??? Oh wait, the telemetry shows us it did and so does logic and common sense.
The great thing about George is we have the potential for a wet race at any moment due to his crying.
Also sweating.
@@JohnnyLREACTS Nope, nothing happened on the last lap because the entire last lap was under Safety Car. Did you even watch the race?
Alonso didn’t brake check Russell. Alonso tapped the brakes, got on the throttle, then brakes normally. There is a video showing how little Alonso was on the brake. Russell plain and simple panicked as usual.
Jaylon Palmer's post-race analysis on F1TV shows the actual braking effort, and it was just a tiny blip in the line. He contends (and I agree) that it made absolutely no difference in speed. You could see that in the other data traces.
That's the dumb thing: the stewards said that while Alonso did apply his brakes, it was so slight that it wasn't the main reason why his car slowed down. Essentially, he just let off the throttle and downshifted. This is also confirmed by Russell's onboard footage, where Alonso can clearly be seen in regen well before Russell is close to the rear of his car. Russell kept the throttle planted until the last second, at which point it was too late to slow down, hence why he crashed. The onboard makes it pretty clear that he was just following Alonso and not really paying attention to what Alonso was doing (much like in Singapore last year).
I like Russell a lot, but IMO this was another one of his blunders that he is prone to making from time to time. I can't blame Alonso for this, especially since there are at least 10 other drivers on the grid who would not have crashed had they been in that situation themselves.
Agreed the penalty for Alonso wasBS
as long as J Herbert was in the stewards panel i am confused why he didnt bad Fernando for the rest of the season... J Herbert has a personal problem with Fernando... you dont need 3 PhD s to figur it out. Next time Herbert will be in the panel Fernando will get a 3 min penalty for farting in the direction of a brit.
Race stewards can’t apply penalties to future races. That’s for the FIA.
Johny Herbert needs to be banned from stewarding.
If a brake test is capable of throwing a car 100 metres behind off the track, aerodynamics need an urgent reassessment
In this case, it was more likely George having to stay on the brakes way later than he would otherwise to not rear end Alonso causing him to lose the rear. It’s a common thing in cars that have zero aero. To grossly simplify, trail braking yourself in to a crash.
@@gpkjm watch the replay from George’s car, he wasn’t even that close to Alonso
@@zackberry6729he was so far away that he couldn’t even see him! He got spooked at Alonso not being where he thought he’d be once he did get close and binned it. Crazy to punish Alonso for this…
@@zackberry6729 you what?
@@bsrbck where did the stewards say it wasn't enough to be a brake test? The phrase "brake test" is a colloquialism and it would be strange for it to appear anywhere in a formal document or notes!
Alonso did nothing unusual in racing. He charged his batteries which George could see obviously from the flashing rear lights and the car slowing. George did not slow down at all. It is the driver behind to pay attention. The penalty is a joke! Even George admitted that it was 100% his own fault!!!
Who told you that? Telemetry shows, that over 100 meters earlier than usual, he lifted, downshifted to 6th, AND braked, then accelerated, upshifted again to 7th gear before entering that corner. He did this ONLY in this lap, never before. if anything is a joke, it is you.
Muppets stop inventing stories in ur head , you was he breaking twice when he never did before & going 40kph slower , that’s noting to do with batteries . Read the fia statement Alonso admits he got it wrong
@@damirkolar5197
you can see the regen lights flash FIVE times , George was hoping to capitalize simple
This is true he obviously was regenerating so that he could defend it was miss interpreted as coasting or lifting maybe they need to reconsider the safety of this track instead of blaming Alonso or maybe a Mercedes should build a better car it is known that they have issues with high speed down fourth issues in corners
@@richy69ifythe regen lights don't mean the car ahead suddenly lifted off the throttle (and remember engine breaking is much stronger in an F1 car than a road car) AND shortly braked.
George can get an idea of how much he'll gain when Alsonso is regenerating. But he can't do that if Alonso is lifting way earlier AND downshifting. That's erratic driving and why Alonso was given the penalty.
So I think a penalty is deserved. Otherwise any driver could suddenly lift at any point and disrupt normal racing behavior.
If alsono hadn't put on the power before the corner again, it would probably be fine. But it showed clearly he did the erratic driving on purpose. The whole "i have a problem with the throttle"? No one is buying that.
What is BS, is that the stewards said they didn't take George's crash into consideration. They did, because otherwise it probably wouldn't be looked at. They even took into account Alsonso's racing position because a 5 or 10 second penalty (which would be more reasonable) would not have made a difference in the finishing position. A stop and go (20s) would make a difference and that's why they chose to give that penalty. No one is buying the "we don't look at the outcome of an incident" angle. They definitely do.
So fair penalty? Yes. 20 seconds? No way. Would a different driver not have crashed? Probably.
Fernando wanted to do the same thing as what he did against Sergio at Interlagos. Driving unconventional lines to confuse Russel. Unlike Sergio, Russel jump scares like a little girl and binned it into the wall. Fernando misjudged the corner and corrected immediately, you could see with his upshift to 7th after downshifting to 6th that he had no malicious intentions. Kind of a lame move from the FIA
In order to qualify as an F1 driver, you have to be able to react on instinct. In GR's case, he was half a second behind & did not react at all to Alonzo visibly slowing down and then entered the corner faster than he had at any time, during the race.
Case closed. GR was solely responsible for wrecking the Mercedes car.
if theres no Mercedes/Russell losing control behind Alonso, he wouldnt've been penalised, what a joke from Herbert and co
Causing the stewards to review the situation =/= they used it to decide the outcome.
Alonso should have been penalized regardless of the accident. The accident just helped bring it to light
If there was no Mercedes/Russel behind Alonso, Alonso would not do that, he himself said that was a tactic of fighting the race.
You’re missing the entire point….
If you watch the Race’s video you will see the telemetry and Alonso did it on purpose. He knew what he was doing.
@@mrorangepeel659 I´ll trust Peter´s opinion over the morons of the race tbf
That crash was 100% George's fault. He should have known better. Poor racecraft on his part.
Please explain? If you've ever done any form of racing a car coming at you at that rate unexpectedly is extremely frightening that would love to know what George did wrong?
Hard to know when the car in front will randomly try/fail at different racing lines.
@@Evolvedmindz1 If you know how Fernando drives in a defensive scenario (San Marino 2005, on Schumacher), Someone truly skilled would anticipate his maneuvers. Alonso was in front and could drive the car how he wanted; it was up to George to get around him.
@@Evolvedmindz1 Watch the onboard, dude. Well before that turn, Alonso was in regen, with the lights flashing 4 times while Russell keeps the throttle pinned until right as he's nearly running into the back of Alonso. Alonso's speed may have been slower than expected, but George had PLENTY of time to react. He was clearly zoned out, just like in Singapore.
Mechanical failure can happen at any time, so there's no excuse for a driver who is following to be paying so little attention.
100% Alonso's fault. He made a 7-6-7-6 shift sequence. What is the middle 6-7 upshift for? Alonso already braked early. Why should he make a upshift? Then downshift again. So steward imposed a 20 sec penalty. Alonso made a very cunning dick move to throw Russell off his rhythm. He knew that he could not brake test Russell. If he made a early brake -- unbrake acclerate -- brake again sequence he could not avoid punishment. Thus he made a slight early brake but followed with a 7676 gear shift sequence. That 7-6 downshift slowed the car significantly and threw Russell off. Because Russell's judgement was on the early brake. Since he braked so early, Russell should not brake too hard. However Alonso added a downshift to it so the deceleration was more than anyone could expect. Alonso could not make the turn either and thus he upshift, accelerate to move the car into turning point, then made the final downshift lift off throttle and turned in. Why I said that it was 100% Alsonso fault? First it was a dangerous and unnecessary move. Second his judgement on Russell's ability to avoid crash with his dick move was wrong. As a old asshole who wanted to teach a lesson to young newcomer, he should judge perfectly the new guy's ability to react. If the new guy cannot react, it may kill the new guy. If Alonso wanted to make such dick move, he should use it on Hamilton. Hamilton can react to no matter dick move Alonso make. Not to Russell.
It was just old school race craft thats it
And the last one to loose there seat was vettel at the beginning of the season
People don't talk about this enough but senna was genuinely one of the dirtiest drivers to ever grace this sport
Yes, with 'many' dnf races because of his aggressive style. That's why I have some difficulties with Hamilton that he is a fan of Senna and blamed the driving style of Verstappen. Senna was not less offensive, aggressive, 'over the edge', however to call it.
Senna vs Prost for example gave us some legendary fights btw.
@@mynewsis4u2
when Hamilton quoted that famous Senna 'youve got to go for a gap' Senna said that after wrecking Prost, not many people realise the context, including Hamilton.
@mynewsis4u2 max is pretty up their with senna tactics, hamilton is their aswell but not as bad and does not get hot headed like vettel ramming the side of cars, schumacher had his positives and negatives but matured well early races he was pretty hot headed like max but schumacher was smarter more calculated iq was higher virtually played the race in his head and told his pit crew what he wanted, those races and years are worth a revisit.
schumacher was worse! Should have been stripped of the 1994 championship. Cheat.
Dirty or just aggressive? I wish we had that kind of racing again.
We all know and love Feisty Fernando! Had Alonso truly brake tested Russell, it would have been hard and very obvious. Fernando is not someone known to mess around. On top of that: We've all been in a situation on the road, where we've been startled by another motorist who did something unexpectedly, but not necessarily meaning to cause harm, so I think it would be nice if Russell were to admit that he may have misjudged the situation.
Carlos improves when he is under pressure, where Leclerc fails when he is under pressure!!
that is about right i feel.👌
The opposite is the case. When the pressure was at its highest in 2022, with Ferrari believing they had a title-challenging car for the first half of the year, Charles beat Carlos by over 80 points, with 9 poles to Carlos' 3 and 3 wins to Carlos' 1. In a title fight, any team would be stupid to back the slower driver.
@@elliotcrossan6290 Charles Leclerc first win 2019 last 2022, Carlos first 2022 last 2024 Carlos is a fighter, I don't see Lerclerc winning anything anymore!
@@daluzsoares To be fair, we haven't seen anyone win anything for the last few years. It went from Hamilton always winning straight to Max always winning and all others are relegated to "good luck mate." F1 has become processional and boring in that regard.
I do not think Alonso would purposefully brake test Russel. There are several drivers who just don’t do that kind of thing. It’s an insane penalty.
I'm shocked by the hard line "The Race" took on this situation, against Alonso. Silly business.
Those lads are tabloid level reporters - no surprise
Not surprised - it's a fairly typical position they take when it's a British driver.
@@chipsawdust5816Fair point, sir.
They tend to be of the 'pure racer' mindset.
@@chipsawdust5816 Perhaps and cultural bias is always present but here it's more a case of taking the moral high ground in order to distinguish themselves from the other media outlets and elevate themselves above the fan discourse, which isn't exclusively British but is defo hallmark of the current generation of pundits (Scott Mitchell particularly spineless but it's the same insufferably self righteous culture at Sky for instance) all of which needless to say comes at the expense of good judgement / honest commentary..
Maybe y'all giving George a little too much credit on his skills. Last year he crashed at the end trying to out drive his ability. Highway or racing if the car in front slows ,you gotta make a decision . George has alot to learn.
The ABSOLUTE LAST THING I want for Carlos is for him to go to RB n play 2nd fiddle to Max
A very shrewed master of his craft vs a young Playstation graduate who needs things to be a certain way, and who needs to respect the skill and calculating manner of who he was following. Maybe on purpose maybe not, but Russell just learned a lesson from a real pro.
This was an over-compensation penalty because of the recent favoritism drama with the FIA president and Alonso. They’re trying to show that they can be tough on Alonso. Why didn’t Magnuson get penalized for slowing the pack up to allow Hulk to score of this is the actual reason for the penalty?
Exactly...
By Peters analysis on his own channel, Russell is driving on the edge of a skittery car to get something out of it. Hamilton isn't bothered playing that game. Alonso sees Russell steaming up behind him, knows his car issues, and is smart enough to cause sufficient disruption to Russel without being done for brake testing - and the stewards do him, anyway. Is the issue a crappy Mercedes being overdriven, or Alonso being Alonso?
George has a long history of crashing
All down to alonso.
The issue is a brake check, every motorsport race I've ever raced in lists that as a rules violation and worthy of a penalty (I've race for 15 years BTW in a variety of vehicles from shifter karts to Lotus Cup to American Iron).
@@robainscough Fernando has done this many times in defense. Why has only George binned it?
@@robainscoughnailed it. Most people don’t seem to realize that once you’ve committed to the corner, you can’t really just brake harder or turn more.
Peter’s obviously wrong about 1987 Belgium being a Senna “brake test”. I’m just wondering if you could get him to clarify which race he’s thinking of because it’s definitely not that incident. Feel free to watch the footage, Mansell tried to overtake Senna around the outside, Senna kept the inside line and the two cars touched and they both spun off. At 19:00 Peter talks about the right of the driver on the inside of the corner which was Senna in that instance. Should have Peter correct this.
What Alonso did looks a lot more legit if you watch 2021 season when Max brake tested Hamilton.
Max tried to give his position up and lewis was to dumb to notice it thats not a break test!
Lewis was not 'too dumb to notice' as you suggest - he was too smart to overtake before the DRS line (which would have allowed Verstappen to regain the place).
Verstappen was right in the middle of the track when he stamped on the brakes and hit 2.9g deceleration - that is three times more than the most violent emergency stop that you or I have ever experienced in a road car. If anyone does that knowing there's a car behind, then he deserve a severe penalty (not the 10 seconds that the stewards gave, knowing that it would make absolutely no difference to his finishing position).
Are you delusional or what? Verstappen had to give the position back and they were going around 80kph. Here they are full throttle through a corner.
@@timeacott or lewis was too smart to overtake b4 the drs zone wich confirms it wasnt a brake test
Yeah! That was the time he absolutely wanted to stay behind Max.
Quite funny he wasn't able to pass him ever since and just stayed far behind!👴😂😂😂
Alonso knew he had an over aggressive knucklehead behind him and took him to school.
I wonder why they didn’t bring up Jeddah 2021 where Verstappen received a 10 second penalty for a brake check. That seemed more dangerous than what Alonso did but Alonso’s receives a 20 second penalty?
You have to let off or brake to harvest battery THAT HE NEEDED (Alonso). It was a good strategic spot to harvest, AND the harvest lights were FLASHING. Russel kamikazied his car right into harvest lights. None of the stewards drove electric cars, so this was oversimplified BS! I can't believe Alonso didn't make his point that way, because it was fact, he needed battery power to stay ahead of Russel.
bonkers. Guy behind should care....
Whenever Latte boy Russell gets put under pressure he cracks.
Red Bull has never liked to have two drivers fighting against each other for a world championship, they always work under the structure of 1 and 2, Webber was always treated as 2 even in the final two races of 2010 when he was ahead of Vettel in The championship never gave the order to prioritize the result with Vettel like in Brazil 2010, because they always work around 1. They are a team that will never have a driver who will overshadow Max nor does the structure of the team work around his 1, that makes it technically impossible to fight Max today, and Sainz, Alonso or whoever you like would be condemned to be behind Max for these simple reasons, history shows us with facts.
I have been a big fan of Carlos for some time now and I think that some people have not appreciated just how strategically aware of what is happening in the race. His mental agility is outstanding.
Agility and resilience. That young man has his head right in the right place, impressive!
I couldn't agree more. I'm not one of those Johnny come latelies when it comes to Sainz.
He's very much like Jenson Button.
Much like his fellow Spaniard
Carlos has 99% of the speed of Leclerc, and 99% of the race intelligence of Alonso. Okay, maybe those numbers can be fudged a bit this way or that, but he's a complete driver, and a very good one. He complements Leclerc very well. He's also a lot more consistent than, I don't know... a driver such as George Russell.
(I actually like Russell a lot, but these gaffs are quite obviously his own fault and they have cost him some success in his F1 career. And they don't seem to be going away.)
Brake testing means braking. Since there was no deceleration, there was no brake test.
Russel should have waited a bit more before committing to the turn after realizing he braked to late. Remember, it's not the first time Russel crashes on the final laps.
At the end what's the meaning of racing? if you can't use technics to keep a faster car behind, this is not racing.
How It All Played Out In My Mind:
Geroge Russel: "I'm going to pass Alonso and show him that he's too old to race F1. Time to retire you fossil"
Fernando Alonso: "If this rookie thinks he's got an easy overpass, he's going to learn a harsh but valuable lesson"
[Fernando breaks hard and early entering the corner, catching Russel by surprise. Russel crashes]
Fernando Alonso: "Thus ends the lesson... 'Rookie'"
not the first time he hit a wall coming into a corner
The FIA allowed that if his car had had an issue, there would be no penalty for Alonzo. The crash would still have happened. But no penalty. The onus is on Russell to react to the car in front. George is the one with a history of overcooking corners while following closely. If it was K-Mag who crashed there would be no penalty. But the head of the driver’s association always gets the calls.
Would LOVE to see Sianz with RB. A team that will actually show him some respect.
Russel had 5 minutes to react to Alonso's car.
What they really need to look into is that barrier on the exit of that corner. On numerous of occasions, when the the car hits that barrier cos it it at high speed. The vehicle is stranded there in the centee of the road. Causing for a vulnerable passenger in a potentially terrible t-bone crash.
Softer walls or the walls need to be brought back. There is space it is a golf park most of the time
In this crash, Alonzo has proved that GR is definitely driving far beyond his capabilities and does not have the teams best interest at heart.
Fact!! After more than 5 seasons in F1, GR has comprehensively proved that he is a danger to all other F1 drivers 'on track' and is not a team player.
5:39 last I can recall is when Vettel was replaced at Ferrari before the 2020 season begun..
It is a crime to punish racecraft....
Peter was praising the Ferrari decision as a no-brainer when it was announced. Watched him quite a while but he seems to flip-flop on these kinds of things and claims "I've always said..." nonsense
I don't think Alonso did anything wrong. I do remember Imola and Alonso is a master at keeping faster drivers behind him in the sections where they are quickest. Alonso slowed for strategy, not a brake test
I believe the ones that should be penalized are the stewards. Not showing a red flag immediately after the crash and leaving Russel’s car in The middle of the track whilst the rest of the cars were still racing, was far more dangerous than the crash itself.
Carlos Sainz, 12 points ahead Lecrerc in the standing before Las Vegas GP. Ferrari decided to bring Hamilton alongside Charles. Carlos has a terrible problems with the setup and he did not score one point meanwhile the monegasque has a rocket. Carlos has sunk in the standings. Again. What are you doing the ‘legends’ of F1 journalism. Are you the product supporters of the star of the moment? How do you sell the Carlos Sainz ‘departure’ if he beat the predestinatto even with Vasseur & Elkan favouritism on LEC?
Some revisionist history there about Senna/ Mansell at Spa 87. OK Peter - you got some telemetry to back that claim up? Thought not. Good excuse for Mansell though, for an error of impetuosity that alone cost him the 87 WDC
Totally agree. Mansell was trying to pass Senna around the outside and Senna kept the inside line and the two touched and spun off. “Brake Test”?!?! I’m curious to know what incident Peter is actually referring to because Belgium ‘87 was definitely not a brake test.
06:20 Sebastian Vettel was tge last driver to spend the season with a team knowing that he was out by the end (meets all the caveats you Peter mentioned; quick, race winner)
I can't believe you forgot that !
Peter Windsor hit the nail on the head by saying that there is way too much reliance on telemetry when it comes to issuing penalties. Don't get me wrong, telemetry is important. But sometimes, telemetry disguises a driver's intentions. Telemetry can never accurately depict what happens in a racing driver's mind. You can identify a brake test when you see one - plain eyesight is usually more than necessary to detect a driver brake testing the one following him. Clearly, Alonso wasn't doing that and it was plain to see. The accident provoked the penalty, but penalty for what? Trying a different line, which the stewards deemed "erratic driving"? The stewards also clearly say in their report that Alonso wasn't responsible for the dirty air, so why the penalty? If anything, Alonso could have been given a reprimand because he admitted that he didn't get his strategy right for that corner.
George initially said that the accident was 'on me' - i.e. his own fault
Brazil 2021 max went off the track sending Lewis into space, should that have been a race ban
Silverstone 21 even more
That's what the F1 show should be!! Especially if you are giving Sky £720 per year.
When I look back at the 2021 season and assess the rule changes in 2024 season, I feel the fans have been robbed, as the rule changes have not improved racing or leveled the playing field, in fact I believe that if the rules remained the same after 2021, F1 would have a far more competitive field and not given one team such an enormous edge over it's competition.
I signed up to F1pro. I'm not wasting money on a second rate Sky subscription.
I don’t understand the argument.
Peter starts by saying that it was not brake testing but dangerous or erratic driving and that alonso shouldn’t have done that with Russel half a second behind.
Then he goes on to say that the penalty is wrong because either it was breaker testing or it wasn’t.
So Alonso was penalized for erratic and dangerous driving which is not as bad as brake testing but still worth of 20 seconds. Where is the problem ?
Imagine being a driver that knew if you did the same entry into a set of corners you were bound to be overtaken by the driver behind you but you knew if you enter the corners differently you would get a better exit and therefore better chance to hold position but the racing rules only allow for you to do the same thing every time you take those corners and that you must be predictable? Is it even racing if you cannot choose to enter a corner in a manner that will give you the best chance of maintaining your position? Did Russell’s telemetry get looked at also, to see if while trying to overtake Alonso he took those corners exactly the same every lap or are you allowed to try different things when you are behind? What if they both tried different things that lap, being the last lap? Alonso entering slower and Russell deciding to enter faster?
When Hamilton was found guilty in causing Verstappen to crash at 170 into a tyre wall, causing a 51g inpact, complete car write off, loss of all possible points and a trip to the local hospital, was given a 10 second penalty. Alonso gets 20 secs for alleged brake testing.
Sergio Perez said at Inter Lagos, Alonso was one of the very few drivers you can race wheel to wheel to that level. Russell is not one of the few.
To be fair, FIA penalties have recently increased from 10 to 20 seconds for a number of offences (I assume this is one of them?). That said, I get your point entirely!
The 51G is the biggest lie
The best way to describe Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz is similar to Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button when they were at McLaren.
Totally correct Peter Alonso was using race craft to keep George behind him
I always thought the driver in front is allowed to take any line he wants and some lines will mean a different entry speed. It's nowhere in the rules that a driver must take the same line as in the previous lap, just because he's being closely followed. GR should learn to keep his cool and be more patient in the last lap of the race.
That was 100% on George - even in your personal car on a normal road you have to watch n be ready for anything - what if alonso suddenly just had any kind of mechanical failure - YOU MUST BE ON YOUR TOES ESPECIALLY IN F1
There was a car’s lenght between them when russell lost it. That’s all the proof I need. Russell sucks again.
brake checking is illegal on the road
Your personal car has brake lights and your personal car doesn’t race on race tracks at those speeds.
@@TheRealVranesh missed the whole point didn't you
@@jerrygundrum1it's never ilegal.. you should keep a certain distance according to the road's standards
Had it not happened to a Merc I don't think a penalty gets dished out at all....
Describing this as brake testing is a complete distortion and use of the term colours how the incident is interpreted. I don't believe Fernando was totally honest in saying he was not aware of George behind him. He was doing what is not unusual when a faster car is trying to pass a slower one. If they both took their normal line George would have been faster through the corner and in a position to overtake subsequently, Fernando knew that. His strategy was to position his car and slowing his own entry in a way which in turn would force George to slow to his level and then give himself the advantage to get back on the throttle flat out before George. It is a racing tactic commonly used which is why when you see a battle for position both drivers lap times are significantly slower, the leading car drives to block and slow his rival rather than maximise his own speed. Even dear old Lewis, clearly Mr Windsor's favourite, does it.
It's about the driver behind, does he have the time to react? Was he in danger? Russel didn't brake earlier, he saw Alonso slowing down rapidly, and he didn't brake early. Why? Because he knew he is not going to crash into Alonso! George didnt crash because of collision threat, but the dirty air!
It' wasnt brake check.
Alonso did a masterclass (like Brésil 2023) but shame on fia
modern days F1 according to FIA? Indeed complete Joke. Nothing is allowed anymore. only driving in a train, and overtaking by DRS. the current state of F1, sadly!!
Princess George has been exposed!😂😂😂
He's no.2 for sure
@@nawles1hence why Mercedes are 👀 around and want Max.
Uffff! Maybe LDT! Maybe, though I still think he may take gold one day...
It is incumbent upon the following driver to NOT HIT ANYTHING IN FRONT OF YOU! As Fangio so succinctly said “ to finish first, you must first finish” ! You must expect a driver under pressure to make a mistake! That is the whole point!
Wow!! Finally someone who knows the business! That guy Peter Windsor, knows very well what he is talking about and that's a very good news!
Mercedes needs to look thoroughly at their simulator data and how they collect it. Something is out massively there.
So maybe a virus in their computers.
@@jkbzz nah, a wrong parameter between 1000s most likely, which is harder to solve than a virus
lmaooo the first and only guy i've heard pronounce the calendar year as "two-zero-two-four" or "two-zero-one-three" 17:43
Retarded isn't it
I don't think Carlos will have any issues driving for RBR, what else has he for otherwise. For him, it's a matter of having a drive in the top team, it'd be stupid to think otherwise.
One of the few times not to sure what Peter is on about…brake testing is a bit of a distraction…you don’t need to touch the brakes to slow down significantly you just come off the throttle…park the car on the curve or bend…when there’s only one route through…from what I saw that’s all Alonso did…
I remember Lewis in 2017 I think…with Vettell behind him in En rouge going slow just to upset the faster Ferrari at the top of the hill and on to the straight…worked a treat
This is the most absurd penalty I've ever come across by the FIA race stewards.
This is part of race tactics that are regularly applied during defensive driving and every racing driver should be highly vigilant and ready to respond to such incidents.
They might just as well stop racing altogether and just allocate positions to whomever they want to give points to.
Insulting a multiple DWC in this manner, is uncalled for and should never have been considered in the first place.
They are growing more pathetic by every race that is run.
Nonsense. It’s dangerous and no decent driver brake checks in any formula. It’s definitely not part of race tactics at any level. It’s how people die.
Why are you whispering tho?
great video again Cameron! Next time since Peter uses a webcam, place his video inside a frame, when his video is blown out full screen you see the quality difference more.
It's a great shout hot wings, that was just a very quick impromptu chat so I rushed through, not PW's normal setup.
Most of these modern young drivers are autopilot AIs, just going fast with no real thought behind the eyes. George is the emblem for this, he just goes fast, no thoughts.
Uffff 👀
Perez when Sebastian vettel announced for Aston Martin
Good call
Agree on the brake testing point
Alonso clearly did a bad trick and Russel fell for it! We all remember Lewis in Siverstone 2021, just touching Max ;-) They are old crooks who fight for every point and then laugh into the camera, washing their hands in innocence. And I have sent you both a link to an excellent interview with Toto in which he talks seriously about trying to bring Max to Mercedes! Imagine Sainz to Red Bull, Max to Mercedes and Lewis to Ferrari, that will be a daunting gamble for those who love it.
First really good race for a year... Leclerc doesn't seem to have met his initial promise...and it's a pity no one of the calibre of Charlie Whiting has been found.
I've watched it 10 times. The amount of time Russell had once he saw Alonso was an eternity. Russell panicked and lost the rear. End of story..
Just the fact that we are debating whether it was or not alonso’s fault shows the state of affairs in F1. There was a car’s lenght between the two and george already entered the corner, he just lost it. RUSSELL JUST LOST IT AND FIA ARE AGAIN PROTECTING THE BRITS AND MERC. Osama Bin Russell strikes again.
Can you seriously be aware of AD21 and claim that the FIA protect Brits?!?
Seriously?!?
It is easy to see Masi's decisions that day as errors under pressure, but the FIA doubled down when the stewards rejected the appeal, and they doubled-down yet again with their white-wash of an 'inverstigation'.
I've been watching Formula 1 for over 40 years and have been a great fan. After the 2021 season finale debacle, although totally bewildered at the decision making at the end, I gave it the benefit of the doubt and continued watching. However, it now seems impossible to fathom how the rules are interpreted and applied - one week's penalty is next week's OK. I really no longer see F1 as a sport, more of a spectacle with the 'rules' being applied with the the aim of creating drama. I've not watched a race this season, but looking at the news it would appear that the the pantomime is as strong as ever. I've never watched a reality show and have no intentions of starting now.
Russell should've paid more attention when he was approaching the corner he had plenty of time to react when closing in to Alonso.
To be fair, Mercedes has a track record of geting Aussie racing directors fired if decisions don't suit them, right? (Mikey no, that is so not right!)
Absolute rubbish. Would you say that a referee in a world Cup, who at the last second, took the ball, gave it to team 'a' in the penalty box and then took team 'b's' goalie away was a good call? 😅😅
@@V.42405 No, I wouldn't say that, because that makes no sense. Nothing was given to team 'a' and nobody took the goalie away. Also, if the referee makes a mistake, they don't change the score of the game afterwards, do they? We all just kinda man up and accept it, right?
There is a reason why you cannot make a defensive move under braking.. there is a reason you cannot make more than 1 move defending on a straight... there is a reason you are not supposed to randomly brake and slow down on a high-speed section of the track...
Scalextric is what you are looking for.
What father of all ALO did is what every driver does, and that is why he is so exciting to watch and why he is one of the best ever, Rusell was never close enough, he lost concentration and made a rookie mistake.
new F1 rule? "All laps must be the same'
@@1greenMitsi if you cannot bank on the other driver consistently driving or braking at least roughly where they should, it's just dangerous for everyone involved.. Alonso should be grateful George did not just directly plow into the back of him. What convo would we be having if that was the case?
@@mbwahaha if you cannot bank on the driver in front of you being reasonable (i.e. not slowing down deliberately during high-speed sections of the track) how can anyone follow anyone else? It will be a game of chicken to not plow into their gear-box every step of the way. How is that fun? It was terrible when Hamilton and Max were constantly taking each other out in 2021... if that is the game everyone is going to play its just a crash derby and not a race... it should be "who is fastest" not "who doesn't want to crash the most".
@@adam346 Russell was never close enough, he just went like a rookie thinking on the outcome, not in the situation.
There was no innsodent for a start...Russell crashed out which is not unusual toward the end of the race..... Russell fault, no fault of Alonso at all, this has been one of the worst call ever by the stewards.
I didn’t even see Fernando in George’s onboard lol. Am I missing something?
This happens in every type of racing forcing the car behind to slow down, its nothing new and the Fia are destroying F1 with this pathetic penalty, its just racing
Carlos is like Nigel Mansell and Leclerc is Nelson Piquet Sr. 1987.😮
It's more the other way around..
Erm, no
Uffff! Do yo think so LDTOK? I don't know, I like the the comparison to Nige for Charles. Both a bit fast and furious, you know? Cut from Gilles' cloth?
Not only was the Ralf Schumacher-Jacques Villeneuve accident not a brake test, Ralf actually barked later on that lap than on the previous laps. It was more that the Michelin teams had yet to work out how to get performance in the early laps of a stint and so Villeneuve, being on Bridgestones, had a huge performance advantage. Villeneuve was caught out by Ralf's braking when Ralf's braking was absolutely predictable, though.