*Darkechi runs into a shadow* "Hmph. You aren't worth my time." *Carefully gets of bike, moves it away so it doesnt get damaged and then runs over back to the shadow* "DESCEND, LOKI!" *Kills shadow, runs back to his bike and hops on and cycles away*
"I meant to tell you, regarding Shido... Thank you for keeping your promise." I feel like this conversation should've happened in a legitimate cutscene, not an easily missable Mementos conversation :/
@@jaydenko6568 Yusuke seems more chill about it than the others. Ryuji is straight up rude, Ann is a little dismissive, but Yusuke's response seems more in line with 'Don't worry about it, he got what he deserved.' I feel like Yusuke is more gentle with Akechi because he openly admitted that, had he not joined the PT, he could have easily turned as bitter and twisted as Akechi. And I mean, that makes a certain amount of sense, given what Madarame put him through. Imagine if Yusuke discovered the Metaverse on his own, discovered how far Madarame's darkness ran, how deeply he's hurt not only others, but Yusuke himself, and how the warped, false Sayuri's he peddles like common cash cows was supposed to represent not just the purity of a mother's love, but HIS mother's love for HIM.... And Madarame, the man to whom he thought he owed everything, who he defended against all critics, who he worshipped and loved... let her die. To steal her work for himself. Try to tell me he wouldn't have driven his blade into Shadow Madarame's heart, tears running down his face as he relished in that hatred, because he had nobody around him he could lean on, people who could soothe that pain and talk down that venomous hatred. A part of me likes to imagine what the Phantom Thieves might have been if Akechi found them first. If he pushed them to embrace their hate, their rage, their despair, to weaponize it and feed those emotions to their Persona. Try to tell me they couldn't have been pushed to the darker side of things if circumstances had only been slightly different. Ann barely stopped herself from killing Kamoshida as is. Ryuji wouldn't have stopped her and has a history of letting his temper get the better of him. I just went over Yusuke. Makoto could have easily been twisted into a darker version of what she became if Akechi convinced her of his version of 'justice' and for her to embrace it. She felt powerless in her own life. How easy would it have been to convince her that the greatest way to reclaim her power was to crush the life out of the ones who oppressed her? Futaba is perhaps the only one who may not be swayed over completely, but it's entirely possible she could be convinced to use her power in a darker way, like modifying people's cognitions on a more subtle level rather than kill. Haru..... Is tricky. Convincing her to kill her own father would be a tall order, but she's impressionable, easily led, and utterly alone. I don't think it's something he could do all at once, but by the end of the Palace, if he'd already corrupted the rest of them, she would have fallen in line and been a far more brutal Haru than we already met. Like, it's fucked up to think about, but really, how close did they all come to becoming just like Akechi?
It has been stated in an interview with the developers that they deliberately made interactions between Akechi and Futaba/Haru scarce because they haven't forgiven him for what they did to their family members. Haru is still nice to Akechi in these conversations, yes, but I think it's more in a coworker kind of way rather than an actual friend. She's tolerating him because they need all the help they can get to defeat Maruki but otherwise doesn't want to deal with him. Futaba seems to be much the same although she's obviously not as polite as Haru. Ryuji, on the other hand, isn't one for pretending, so the fact he doesn't like Akechi is a lot more apparent, but even then he has moments where he actually agrees with Akechi's views. I appreciate that they didn't go all the way with making all the PTs hate Akechi for what he's done, or instantly forgiving him for the harm he caused and instead there's more nuance to the way they treat each other. I feel like, outside of Joker and Sumire (who has no idea about what Akechi has done), the PTs that would be the most open to the idea of being friends with Akechi would be Yusuke and Ann, possibly Morgana as well.
On the case of Haru.....I feel as though, like she said after his boss fight, there's sympathy mixed in there, not just toleration. She deeeeeeefinitely still hates him, deeeeeeeefinitely doesn't forgive him.....but she also understands he was manipulated, used as a tool. So basically....besides toleration, she's nice to him because she sort of feels sorry for what he went through. At least, that's my point of view. Edit: most likes I've ever gotten. Goddamn.
@@MaddyDoesStuff You're right. Haru is a very forgiving and empathetic person after all. Forgiving Akechi in the end does suit her character. Yusuke does feel akechi's troubles a lot than others though. He even compares himself to Akechi at some point after he "died". Saying that if he would've been in akechi's place there is a good chance that he would've become someone similar. They're in similar situations after all. Their mother died and they suffered under their father or father figure. Main difference is that Akechi had it worse. In addition to that Akechi also remembers his mum and how she had psychological illnesses. Shido also never cared for Akechi, while madarame took in yusuke out of a mix of guilt and empathy.
@@dennisleonardo2992 Despite Haru’s grief, I would like to imagine that if Akechi was still alive after the palace, she would have formally forgiven him. Or at the very least expressed empathy for his situation and how it was significantly worse than her’s. Futaba might have been a bit harder, but she would have forgiven him eventually.
“pancakes...i don’t want to hear that word again for a long long time” “well we’re all fans since that’s what helped us figure out your bullshit” GODDAMN RYUJI
@@xxProjectJxx haru and futaba do not forgive akechi. In fact, atlus purposely made them distance from him in the third semester to show them such as them not playing tycoon with him in the thieves den
Haru is kind of unhinged herself if you haven't noticed. She obviously cared for her father, but it shouldn't be surprising if her opinion on Akechi remains neutral.
Akechi: "Pancakes… I don’t want to hear that word again for a long, long time." Akira/Ren/Joker "Oh am I mistaken? I thought I heard something about delicious pancakes..."
The fact that Akechi knows about the pancakes thing, implies that he at some point asked what is was that gave him away, and that someone revealed it was the line about pancakes
He only said that because the others were on the verge of convincing him to turn over a new leaf right there and then. He screamed that to get them to shut up, and steady his resolve to commit to his plan.
It's understandable why Yusuke looks more open minded to Akechi, broadly speaking they are in the same boat where their mother died when they were little, then they are used as tools by someone who is also a father/father figure to them and the person who uses them is the cause of their mother's killed/suicide in Akechi case.
Akechi's situation can be compared to Joker's too--finding out that you were being relentlessly used by your boss for his own ends, and then trying to fight him
Akechi has a lot of connections to all of the thieves which is why when they start to introduce the idea that Akechi could have really been one of them or that without the support they had got they could have been like Akechi it's really impactful.
Akechi's pancakes complaint was hos best line, because not ONE followup is anything less than peak. Even Oracle's response is BEAUTIFUL, taunting him over how INNOCUOUS the slipup was!
@@alunbuss7877I never said the line was bad. I was just joking that I doubt Akechi would just take that sitting down. If there's one thing that Akechi is, it's petty.
@@MythicMachinaOh yeah, I was just commenting that ANY of the responses would cause the team to have to restrain him. If I were in that van and he said that, my response would be: "Welp, I'm not sharing my Dome Town season pass with YOU then."
Akechi thanks Joker for keeping his promise regarding Shido and like, this is one of the rare times we see Akechi be soft and everybody is just "we didn't do it for you" y'all >:(
@@dimentioo Haru is the nicest one to him out of everyone. She was always polite to him despite his hand in killing her father. Also this is one of the few times he's genuine with the group and they just brush him off like that. It doesn't sit well with me lmao
Yeah it diffidently caught me off guard with how Ryuji replied. Akira and Akechi are basically the same involving Shido. They both got effed by him. They made it sound like they lied about taking Akechi’s promise when he could’ve died. Which is kinda messed up
xXroadrunner 2fasttXx Yeah. I wouldn’t say “the same” since Shido is the reason Akechi’s mom committed suicide, the reason Akechi’s view of the world twisted, and the reason Akechi became a pawn in the game, but by being grateful for the Shido event, Akechi was literally thanking them for freeing him of control and evil in his life. And Ryuji was just like “YeAh WhO cArEs It WaS fOr JoKeR” ???
That man loves playing crazy people akechi from p5 zhao from yakuza like a dragon and hubert from three houses he is both figuratively and literally a insane man
It’s so weird how they’re actually nice to Akechi here but don’t talk to him in the theives den. I mean, the den is just Joker’s cognition but in mementos they’re friendly?
YoshiMaster That’s what I’ve heard, and I spent 10 minutes spamming the “Change Opponents” button and never once did he show up at the table while either of them were at it, and vice versa
I mean, she gets away with it because she got lucky with her metabolism. Plus, as her social link goes on, she starts getting serious and that includes doing more than just eating cake.
These normal conversations they have while riding with Mona bring me great pain. It reminds me that should they have met just a little earlier, Akechi could have been an actual friend.
RIGHT!!!! It always makes me so sad because all Akechi ever wanted was a friend and he finally got that in joker but it was too late at that point and he's even upset himself at having to kill joker, you can tell from the way he speaks about unexpected obsticals in his socal link when joker beats him in pool
Ryuji saying his mother will be worried when he returns late right after Akechi’s warning is just brutal, yo bud I know you hate Akechi but that was savage.... Akechi would be muttering something along the line of ‘brat’ and ‘you have someone that will be worried about you’ under his breath XD
I don’t think Ryuji meant it in that way😂 Ryuji was DEFINITELY out of pocket though when Akechi thanked everyone for taking down Shido, the guy who basically ruined Akechi’s life in every way possible, and Ryuji just goes, “WE DID IT FOR JOKER NOT FOR YOU”. Now, I wouldn’t be so upset about that comment if Ryuji didn’t end it by calling him “bro”, and THAT set me off lol
@@aggressivepianonoises813 I THOUGHT THAT TOO! I was going to comment about it if no one else did. He's trying to be grateful, and Ryuji just shits on him for little to no reason. And his tone with that line is super unpleasant. Glad I'm not the only one who thought so
Well Sumire doesn’t even know he’s a murderer, Haru doesn’t think of him as a murderer but thinks of him as shidos tool, and the rest weren’t really affected by him.
Outside Sumire I think it's that they acknowledge hes a murderer but are willing to look past it (to a degree) because they recognize Shido used him and was partially responsible for who Akechi became
Kudos to Oracle and Noir to being open to fighting alongside the murderer of the parents. Not a lot of people are willing to work with the tool that sealed the fate of their loved ones. Plus they look like their getting along like real friends. Bonus!
There's no way akechi could've killed wakaba tho. She died when futaba was 5 and futaba is 15 when the game takes place. Akechi would've been a child at the time.
@@PhthaloGreenskin Persona 3 proves that even a child can gain the power of persona, and even if it wasn't him she died because of a mental shutdown, a.k.a her shadow being murdered. If not akechi then who?
But we know Akechi only got his persona two years ago, when he was 15. Maybe recheck that, as I was under the impression that Wakaba was the first target he was given.
Yeah, he's supposed to have two distinct parts of him. Despite him supposedly dropping his facade, when he gets genuine with Joker about his past, he mentions he dreamt of being a hero as a child. That's why I've come to believe Robin Hood isn't a fake persona as some would think. His deduction skills aren't entirely fabricated, and he could've been a genuine detective had things gone differently.
They all treat akechi so well even though all the things he’s done which just shows how understanding the phantom thieves are. Especially, Haru & Futaba. They don’t forgive but they acknowledge his pain. I loved these little interactions in the game.
Honestly, the Phantom Thieves were doing Akechi a solid as much as they were for Joker and everyone else in Japan by taking out Shido. Despite his role as main perpetrator, Akechi also numbered among Shido's victims, albeit to a lesser degree than those who were killed or worse. So yeah, Akechi absolutely has the right to thank them, because contrary to what some of these kids are saying, especially Ryuji, they did do him a favor. Heck, why did Ryuji say that anyways? He was the one who yelled at Shadow Shido about using his own son. Given how messily Akechi's story came together in the original, it sounds like the writers were not all on the same page.
@@r.holtmangum5170 You're not wrong in the slightest, but for Ryuji to say that taking down Shido wasn't also for Akechi (to give some credit, probably a lesser extent than it was for Joker) is simply untrue, especially considering it was Ryuji himself who brought up Akechi to Shadow Shido when the time came to steal his treasure. It's perfectly fine for Ryuji to show some animosity towards the homicidal maniac who nearly murdered his best friend. I'd be the same way, but I wouldn't go as far as to just deny facts like that- especially ones I already acknowledged. From a writing perspective, it's just inconsistent, isn't it? Once again, I blame the writers.
Actually, I misremembered that... It was Yusuke who pointed this out during Shido's takedown, not Ryuji. Mea culpa. The point about Akechi's promise still being a part of it remains though.
Kinda wish there were convos talking about how Akechi feels about killing Haru and Futaba's parents. But from what I can tell and from speculation, I'm just assuming that he doesn't regret doing it per se since he can't really change things now and he probably thinks he'd do it again if the circumstances were the same but he probably just wished that his life was better so he wouldn't have felt the need to do it in the first place. But idk that's just my head canon
Pretty sure he regrets all the shit he's done for Shido. But you know how he is, just because he's regretting his deeds, doesn't mean he'd just go around apologizing for them.
@@kingteddieP4 yeah, but why does it matter? Just because he's wearing the "Detective Prince" mask, that doesn't mean every single one of his emotions is faked. Besides, his mask slips at times in the game, where he does show genuine regret for the murders he's committed
Akechi: I’m getting a bit hungry. I should’ve eaten beforehand Joker (Or someone else): Maybe after we are done here, we can get some ‘delicious pancakes.’
People seem to be surprised by all of Haru's seemingly civil responses to Akechi, but the way I see it she's constantly serving him passive aggressive goodness. The bouldering comment? "I hear you don't have to be that strong to boulder?" come on.... Got to love Haru
Kind of hilarious that he's classified as a mayadere; dangerous antagonist whom switches sides after falling in love with the protagonist. In this case harbour some feelings towards Ren through bonds and social links, more genuine love than the other social link characters. Though he's a tsundere and yandere in battle through actions and words alone.
Joker and Akechis bond also feels so much more genuine to me than the rest of the confidants because akechis confidant is the only one where he's not crying on joker's shoulder, expecting him to help fix his problems or it didn't start because of a deal. Akechi asked to continued talking and Joker agreed
Zobo Zo exactly!! That’s one thing that made me kind of dislike sumire tbh. She kept on relying on joker for help, which isn’t wrong per say, but especially the during her romance they made it seem like she had to be dependant on him to achieve her own goals
@@dredshin I dislike sumire but her character arc was messy. The big thing about her character arc is that she is sumire not Kasumi yet in the end, she goes back to putting her hair up like Kasumi which I hated. Also like you said, there's nothing wrong with relying on others but she goes on like "I'm no longer going to rely on others to solve my problems" but then she relies on joker to help solve her problems. It's so annoying that the writing around her character is so messy because the concept of her character is good but it's executed terribly
I legitimately can’t believe Haru and Futaba are just casually holding conversations with this guy. They have every reason to hate him, but Haru especially is so nice. It baffles me.
He may be a serial killer, but he was weaponized by both yaldabaroth and shido, plus the fact that he wants to restore how things are even though he dies elevates him.
@@baciu14 I agree with your points completely but this drives me nuts: Akechi isn’t a serial killer, he’s an assassin. Serial killers choose their own targets and have very different psych profiles than assassins.
@@jonathanh.2483 iirc they blame Shido much more than Akechi, not that they forgive him (which Haru outright states she doesn't) but to his chagrin he's basically just a pawn and there's some level of pity from most of the PTs because of that. But I do agree, I think they should have made Haru and Futaba's interactions with him way colder.
it's so sweet hearing how akechi genuinely enjoys kichijoji. i like that he prefers his loki outfit and how it's easier to move in than the stiff robin hood outfit.
@@maskedsaiyan1738 They should just ignore him or show some type of fire. Its kinda insane how if you started right at the third semester you could miss that akechi is a literal serial killer who killed some of your parents and tried on 3 occasions to have you all killed.
Haru is just kinda like that, you know. She would be polite to Yaldabaoth if he just decided to show up one day as a human. Besides, I think she understands that Shido is responsible for him turning out this way. Btw it's not that she forgives him for everything, she still refuses to play Tycoon with him in thieves den
@@holczy0 >Haru is just kinda like that, you know. See the problem with that is that the entire reason Haru is even apart of the group is because of her father. All of this nonsense, she didn't ask for any of this. This isn't her fight. This is not something she personally wanted. At least Ryuji, Ann, and Yusuke decided to stick with you guys. But I didn't really get any of that from her. All she wanted to do is maker her Dad nice to her again and call off the wedding to her dick of a fiance. A cat man told her that they have a way to do that, and having no other option she did. ALl of this nonsense about "Cognitions" and "Shadows" are new to her, and she can't verify it for herself. She is strictly at your mercy, so she is FORCED to trust you. But then all of it led to her dad dying horribly on live tv, through something as far as she knows she directly helped with. As soon as she learns about Akechi I just can't see how she can be so calm around her. There's even no real tension between the two besides a throwaway line that most people probably don't even know about. It's why even though of course no one forgave Akechi, it's hard to not see it as that in all but name. > Besides, I think she understands that Shido is responsible for him turning out this way. Not only did Akechi approach him, Akechi has done many stuff on his own accord. Remember, the plan to kill Joker and get you all disbaneded was his own plan. Furthermore, Akechi then decided to chase you down in Shido's palace, at a point when Shidou thought you were disbanded. He tried to kill you all on his own accord. That's why I just can't accept that Akechi isn't entirely responsible for his actions. >Btw it's not that she forgives him for everything, she still refuses to play Tycoon with him in thieves den That's...uhh, pretty weak. Besides, isn't that technically not even canon, since those are the cognitive versions of the characters. The Thieve's Den is Joker's palace.
@@Idasukimase Dude you are all up in these comments typing novels about what’s ~objectively more realistic~ when that’s… not how writing works, or grief, or forgiveness, or pragmatism, or cooperation. You just can’t see how Haru can be so calm around him? Well, so what? the character isn’t you. Not everyone behaves as you do. There are some people whose responses to things are different from yours, and you will never fully understand them. That doesn’t make their reactions invalid. (And for what it’s worth, there’s more than just a “throwaway line” to create tension. Futaba and Haru comment on it more than once in group chat and in safe rooms and make clear they’re just doing this because they have to.) You’re just flat out wrong about Akechi planning to kill Joker, though. The logistics of the plan were his idea (ie, fake a suicide), but there’s no indication he actually came up with the idea of killing joker himself. In fact, the SIU director outright says that the plan to lift up the Thieves then plummet them in public opinion and sic law enforcement on them is Shido’s idea, not Akechi’s. I think he says it was “too twisted to be Akechi’s idea” or some shit. Considering Shido later orders Akechi to take out the rest of the Thieves and Akechi tells him that’s a bad idea, it’s not a stretch to imagine Shido gave the order to kill Joker. Don’t get me wrong. Akechi is responsible for his actions. But “Akechi is responsible for stuff he did under Shido” and “Shido is responsible for him turning out this way” are not mutually exclusive statements. Haru-and you-can simultaneously look at Akechi and see both a person who decided to kill people (including her father) to achieve his goals, and a fucked up teenager who was explicitly groomed and used by a megalomaniacal sociopath. It just seems a bit silly to me to not focus on Shido as the worst person in the room, when the entire theme of the game is “shitty adults using teenagers.” Akechi is one of those teenagers. That’s the point.
I feel like Akria is just sitting there minding his own business. I feel like Akria understands what Akechi has done and he believes Akechi deserves a chance to redeem himself. He doesn't mind that his friends doesn't like him because he understands what Akechi did was awful yet he still cares about Akechi. Even after Akechi is gone, Akria still cares about the man but he has to keep on moving forward because he knows that's for the best and Akechi would make fun of him for grieving over his death. Honestly the relationship between him and Akechi is really interesting also kinda queer coded. But that's just my opinion.
*Ren. The only appearance of the name “Akira” was in the manga which isn’t canon and was drawn by Hisato Murasaki and had no correlation with the p5 producers. In the other hand, in every part of media that is directly influenced by Altus, they have him call joker by “Ren Amamiya” such as the anime and Persona 5 Dancing Starlight. “Akira Kurusu” isn’t wrong but it isn’t right either, but his definite name would be “Ren Amamiya”
The relationship that Akechi has with the Phantom Thieves has to be one of the weirdest ones. For example in the dialogue where he thanks them for taking down Shido most of the Phantom Thieves reply in a very dismissive manner and Ryuji straight up says they didn't do it for him, yet when you still Shido's heart they directly bring up Akechi and what he did to Akechi. Adding on, though they would have changed Shido's heart anyways, they did agree to take down Shido in Akechi's stead, and also they all agreed that Akechi was a victim that couldn't be saved after stealing Shido's heart, so for them to act so dismissive to his genuine thanks is simply odd. Also a lot of people say that Ryuji hates Akechi and while Ryuji does have a lot of voicelines were it seems he isn't putting up with Akechi's shit, when Akechi dies again in Royal after Maruki's palace it's Ryuji who brings up Akechi's death saying he can't believe Akechi was fighting so hard the entire time knowing he would die again. It feels very inconsistent to be honest. In some scenes it feels like the Phantom thieves genuinely dislike Akechi, while in others it seems as if they are very nice to him and while not forgiving him can work towards a "friendship" of sorts with him.
i mean, its kinda akward for all sides involved. From almost the very start the Phantom thieves knew that Akechi was lying to them about when he started being able to enter the Metaverse, so from the very start they knew he was gonna double cross him. Add to that that it turned out that he killed booth harus father and Futabas mother. like yes most of them are dismissive about him thanking him, but thats a pretty human reaction saiyng "we didnt do it for you" is pretty logical there. Yes they did to some degree fight for akechi to, and he WAS a victim as well, that dosnt change all the fucke dup shit he done,(including attempted murder on joker) Add to that that they said it after believing that Akechi died in Shidos palace, he returns every as edgy as before. (which is like. the 3rd person or something that was assumed dead by that point to return alive) and their Resolve to "punish shido in his behalf" sounds hollow. they are teenagers, its not a clear cut thing about their emotion. Same with the end when akechi is gone again Like for all they knew Akechi was fighting hard and would keep on living, sure in police custody, but still alive and kicking. basicaly avoiding most "responsibility" as he would be a major eye witness, so it would be kinda akward, but when they realize he fought DESPITE(no, BECAUSE) he would dissapear of course they would view hima bit friendlier again. He did fucked up shit, but in the end he did sacrifice himself to make things right. even their interaction going between "friendly" and "genuine dislike" isnt really iconsistent as most of the time the characters do have specific aproaches towards him With Ryuji being the most "cold" towards him,(but its ryuji, he also was an ass to morgana) and whats his name(painterboy) being the most "genuinly Friendly" imo(given he himself did say that he could have very well ended up like akechi) HECK i can imagine that most if not all of the phantom thiefs do see a bit of themself in akechi and the fact that they could end up like him is what makes them reject some of his friendlier stuff.
A lot of people are saying how casual Futaba and Haru are around Aketchi, but outside of mementos and the palace I don't think Aketchi hangs out with them, or anyone besides Joker really. Also, Haru and Futaba won't play cards with him in the TD, which I find pretty funny. Haru already had a bad relationship with her dad, so while upset by his death, she was probably able to get over it quicker than someone with the average father. Also she does have a bit of psycho energy, probably also from her fathers abuse, that is "helping" her cope with it. Futaba had it way worse cause of him, and I think she has the least interactions with him even in mementos. She is only tolerating him cause she has to. Being casual with someone you don't like/hate doesn't mean you forgive them. They are just working together to save the world and can put their feelings aside for that goal. And again, he was just a tool for Shido and taken advantage of, which all of the others can relate to. Even if they don't like him or forgive him, they can relate and understand why he did the things he did.
"Pancakes... I don't want to hear that word again for a long, long time." I bet he feels SO embarrassed that that's what led to him being discovered. 😅
I suppose I should list down my thoughts on my associates, just so everyone knows. -Joker...well, you’ve played the game, haven’t you? You already know how I view him. -Mona is...complicated. He generally stays neutral, but when I bring up anything off-putting, he shuts me down fast. I find him alright. -Skull is a brash idiotic fool. -Panther is by far the most open of the Thieves. She doesn’t hold any qualms with me, as far as I can tell. Maybe in another life, we could have been great friends. -Fox is odd, as usual. I generally try to sit far from him to avoid potential vomit. -Queen is the most efficient, as usual. She still reminds me of Sae-San. -Oracle and Noir are surprisingly open. Even I couldn’t have predicted their acceptance of my presence. -Violet is the closest I have to an acquaintance, aside from Joker.
@@goroakechi6126 still I fell that you were amazing in that plan of yours if you were actually doing this to the games standers of enemies I think you would have succeeded
Akechi: You think I'm frightening when I fight? Well, I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept it. Joker: Joke's on you, I'm into that shit. Akechi: If you're looking for a way to train both your mind and your body, I highly recommend bouldering. Joker: Can you hold off on discussing your beauty regimen until AFTER I'm done driving? Akechi: Do you prefer my previous outfit, or this one? Moving around's become much easier for me. Joker: How does it... come off?
I really dont like the responses to the “Regarding shido, thank you for keeping your promise” line. Everyone just brushes it off as just “Lol we had our own reasons to do it it wasnt about you lol” because, although it is true that they did have their own reasons, they kinda just shit on him like shido wasnt his problem too. Shido screwed up akechi just as much, if not more, than he did akira. For the rest of the PT to just brush it off... it doesnt sit well with me.
Well, he did go out of his way to personally kill them all. Also, all Shido did was just abandon him at birth (I'm not saying that's not wrong), everything after that is kind of on him. Sure, Shido may have ordered it, but in the end Akechi still did it. Akechi can say he was "manipulated" and all, but after the 10th person ended up dead from his actions, you can't tell me he didn't have a taste for it.
Yeah Shido literally had the most effect on Goro, seriously people keep acting like if Goro all of a sudden decided to not go along with Shido’s orders he wouldn’t have been killed 😭, plus it’s specifically stated in Shido’s palace that goro was being manipulated by him too
@@IdasukimaseTF do you mean "all he did was abandon him at birth?" He was without a father figure for his entire life. He also had a part in his mother's death as well.
I am amazed at how Haru and Futaba treat Akechi. Haru is perfectly civil and Futaba just ribs him a bit. The rest of the PTs also have reason to resent him, but joke around and/or converse with him like it's nothing. Ryuji is probably the most rude, and even he's capable of holding a conversation with him. They're very gracious.
Ha ha ha even the devs knew how funny it was that pancakes was what caught aketchi out... love the subtle reference to how that moment got memed to death X’D
Man, I really feel like Akechi thanking the Phantom Thieves for changing Shido's heart shouldn't be optional easy-to-miss mementos dialogue. As much as I enjoyed the 3rd semester, they don't dedicate enough time establishing some much needed closure between Akechi and the other thieves in particular. Edit: Don't even get me started on Haru and Futaba suddenly being ok with having casual conversation with him. And I'm not even against that idea at all. If Haru and Futaba are that open minded about Akechi's past, there's just a few heart-to-heart talks missing for those interactions to actually become believable.
Akechi: "We're working under a time limit.." Me, after spending 4 hours in Mementos: "I totally agree, we definitely shouldn't waste any time, totally understand."
I genuinely feel like the devs know about the akechi memes like no way they missed them so akechi mentioning pancakes feels like a little nondge telling us
Ok, that one, where he comments about living in this reality is boring. No, that's a lie to strike a light conversation. No spoilers but to other pts maybe, but this is a much different matter to him, and it breaks my heart hearing him say that.
When Akechi said that he should treat himself to some sushi and Ann said " treat yourself? You sound like one of my girlfriend's" 😂 let Akechi live lmao
The only person I have a hard time accepting would be ok with talking with akechi is Futaba. While haru lost her father to him fairly recently, she had a very intimate look at how he viewed not only the world, his business, and his employees, but also her, and just how much of a pawn he viewed her as. And that was just viciously cementing the suspicions she had of him the last couple years. Futaba though? Endured a targeted harassment meant to shift blame and focus from wakaba and her missing research, as well as losing the mom she loved and looked up to. Even knowing in a basic way how akechi was and what he suffered (and who he suffered from) I can't help but think she'd be at least as frosty or biting as ryuji towards him
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knowing he did all the palaces and mementos by himself, and he talks about a bike, he did mementos by BIKE?????
Probably a moped
Just imagine Darkechi riding around on a small bike with a little bell in Mementos screeching at god
"I'LL TAKE THEM DOWN!"
*ring ring*
@@arctohru **to the shujin's principal shadow** "YOU'RE GOING TO DIE AND GUESS WHAT? THE BLAME WILL BE PUT ON THE PHANTOM THIEVES" **clink clink**
*Darkechi runs into a shadow*
"Hmph. You aren't worth my time."
*Carefully gets of bike, moves it away so it doesnt get damaged and then runs over back to the shadow*
"DESCEND, LOKI!"
*Kills shadow, runs back to his bike and hops on and cycles away*
He must've gotten this idea from the P4 gang trampling shadows
3rd semester akechi is such a gift thank you so much for this
Him in third semester is an amazing gift
"I meant to tell you, regarding Shido... Thank you for keeping your promise."
I feel like this conversation should've happened in a legitimate cutscene, not an easily missable Mementos conversation :/
Yeah, and especially since the replies give off “fuck you” vibes for a genuine thank you from him
@@jaydenko6568 Yusuke seems more chill about it than the others. Ryuji is straight up rude, Ann is a little dismissive, but Yusuke's response seems more in line with 'Don't worry about it, he got what he deserved.'
I feel like Yusuke is more gentle with Akechi because he openly admitted that, had he not joined the PT, he could have easily turned as bitter and twisted as Akechi. And I mean, that makes a certain amount of sense, given what Madarame put him through. Imagine if Yusuke discovered the Metaverse on his own, discovered how far Madarame's darkness ran, how deeply he's hurt not only others, but Yusuke himself, and how the warped, false Sayuri's he peddles like common cash cows was supposed to represent not just the purity of a mother's love, but HIS mother's love for HIM....
And Madarame, the man to whom he thought he owed everything, who he defended against all critics, who he worshipped and loved... let her die. To steal her work for himself.
Try to tell me he wouldn't have driven his blade into Shadow Madarame's heart, tears running down his face as he relished in that hatred, because he had nobody around him he could lean on, people who could soothe that pain and talk down that venomous hatred.
A part of me likes to imagine what the Phantom Thieves might have been if Akechi found them first. If he pushed them to embrace their hate, their rage, their despair, to weaponize it and feed those emotions to their Persona.
Try to tell me they couldn't have been pushed to the darker side of things if circumstances had only been slightly different.
Ann barely stopped herself from killing Kamoshida as is. Ryuji wouldn't have stopped her and has a history of letting his temper get the better of him. I just went over Yusuke. Makoto could have easily been twisted into a darker version of what she became if Akechi convinced her of his version of 'justice' and for her to embrace it. She felt powerless in her own life. How easy would it have been to convince her that the greatest way to reclaim her power was to crush the life out of the ones who oppressed her? Futaba is perhaps the only one who may not be swayed over completely, but it's entirely possible she could be convinced to use her power in a darker way, like modifying people's cognitions on a more subtle level rather than kill.
Haru..... Is tricky. Convincing her to kill her own father would be a tall order, but she's impressionable, easily led, and utterly alone. I don't think it's something he could do all at once, but by the end of the Palace, if he'd already corrupted the rest of them, she would have fallen in line and been a far more brutal Haru than we already met.
Like, it's fucked up to think about, but really, how close did they all come to becoming just like Akechi?
@@plgrn8r683 sir... this is a big bang burger
@@whoopingmuffin9700 Heh. Sorry.
I tend to over-think. I'm a writer, so my imagination tends to run wild.
@@plgrn8r683
This is way too long yet way so correct, worth every second of reading.
The image of Crow riding a bike around mementos with this outfit is so funny to me.
There's artwork of it too
What kind? A pedal bike?
Akechi: This is no place for dawdling
Faz: Hehe mona car go spinn
Yeah!!!
Akechi: "I'm getting a bit hungry".
Everyone but Yoshizawa: "Want some PANCAKES?!"
Vinícius Panato Osório that would’ve made my day
Or if they said “man I want some ihop how bout you Akechi?”
this poor man can never have breakfast again
yoshizawa: ...what is happening-
@@nazhifatruly9694 Akechi: *5 Seconds away from calling Loki*
I’m basically 99.9% sure that “pancakes” has become Akechi’s trigger word
More like robie daymond's berserk word
@@dillongause7528 pfft- 😂
My doubt in this statement is close to none.
Someone has suggested that as his new codename AT SOME POINT, I swear
I wonder if the Takoyaki incident was also part of the act lmao
It has been stated in an interview with the developers that they deliberately made interactions between Akechi and Futaba/Haru scarce because they haven't forgiven him for what they did to their family members. Haru is still nice to Akechi in these conversations, yes, but I think it's more in a coworker kind of way rather than an actual friend. She's tolerating him because they need all the help they can get to defeat Maruki but otherwise doesn't want to deal with him. Futaba seems to be much the same although she's obviously not as polite as Haru. Ryuji, on the other hand, isn't one for pretending, so the fact he doesn't like Akechi is a lot more apparent, but even then he has moments where he actually agrees with Akechi's views.
I appreciate that they didn't go all the way with making all the PTs hate Akechi for what he's done, or instantly forgiving him for the harm he caused and instead there's more nuance to the way they treat each other. I feel like, outside of Joker and Sumire (who has no idea about what Akechi has done), the PTs that would be the most open to the idea of being friends with Akechi would be Yusuke and Ann, possibly Morgana as well.
On the case of Haru.....I feel as though, like she said after his boss fight, there's sympathy mixed in there, not just toleration. She deeeeeeefinitely still hates him, deeeeeeeefinitely doesn't forgive him.....but she also understands he was manipulated, used as a tool. So basically....besides toleration, she's nice to him because she sort of feels sorry for what he went through. At least, that's my point of view.
Edit: most likes I've ever gotten. Goddamn.
@@MaddyDoesStuff You're right. Haru is a very forgiving and empathetic person after all. Forgiving Akechi in the end does suit her character.
Yusuke does feel akechi's troubles a lot than others though. He even compares himself to Akechi at some point after he "died". Saying that if he would've been in akechi's place there is a good chance that he would've become someone similar.
They're in similar situations after all. Their mother died and they suffered under their father or father figure. Main difference is that Akechi had it worse. In addition to that Akechi also remembers his mum and how she had psychological illnesses. Shido also never cared for Akechi, while madarame took in yusuke out of a mix of guilt and empathy.
I know this is an old comment but u want to add if you invite akechi to darts no one else shows up and it’s just you two and mona
@@dennisleonardo2992 Despite Haru’s grief, I would like to imagine that if Akechi was still alive after the palace, she would have formally forgiven him. Or at the very least expressed empathy for his situation and how it was significantly worse than her’s. Futaba might have been a bit harder, but she would have forgiven him eventually.
@@gleeetenderers7926 i think akechi wouldnt want to play with the other PTs, morgana is just there because he's always with the protagonist.
“pancakes...i don’t want to hear that word again for a long long time”
“well we’re all fans since that’s what helped us figure out your bullshit”
GODDAMN RYUJI
and after that
Ryuji: hey ann let's go and get some PANCAKES after we finish the job
Max mittletan best line other than FOR REAL
Ryuji is the last one to grasp any concept but he will say statements like that 24/7, even though he might not know what it means...
Imagine if Nicob saw that line
haru melts my heart. even tho this man is behind her fathers death, she still talks so kindly to him. what a strong girl :')
Same with Futaba
Ultimate Durp "same with futaba" girl literally called him useless in a chat 1 time and Futaba is almost rude all the time to akechi
@@Glockatore from what i remember, at least
Yea they forgave him too easily. Akechi does not deserve it and a more tense truce would have felt more realistic and memorable IMO
@@xxProjectJxx haru and futaba do not forgive akechi. In fact, atlus purposely made them distance from him in the third semester to show them such as them not playing tycoon with him in the thieves den
Haru is pretty ok around the guy who killed her father in cold blood. She casually talks to him like nothing happened.
Not like he was a good father *or* person.
Haru is kind of unhinged herself if you haven't noticed. She obviously cared for her father, but it shouldn't be surprising if her opinion on Akechi remains neutral.
@@ericgarcia7592 yeah, the really confusing case is why Futaba isn’t hostile towards him, she really loved her mom
@@sclyfer3461 idk if he killed her mom tho I think that was the scientists before
@@dragonking5767 Last I checked it was confirmed as a mental shutdown in the game
Akechi: "Pancakes… I don’t want to hear that word again for a long, long time."
Akira/Ren/Joker "Oh am I mistaken? I thought I heard something about delicious pancakes..."
Lmao when I heard that line that was my exact line of thinking
Lmao he would definetly say that
Yeah. Akechi saying that pretty much is saying "Please please please please annoy me with pancake banter"
The fact that Akechi knows about the pancakes thing, implies that he at some point asked what is was that gave him away, and that someone revealed it was the line about pancakes
@jeremygeller9145 That, or he figured it out himself, and kicked himself for it.
Akechi: TEAMMATES?! FRIENDS?! TO HELL WITH THAT!!
Also Akechi: *Please do what you can to avoid getting sick.*
That was his rage and jealousy, not his true desire. He really wants bonds and friendships
@@unoriginalyoutubename8761 before the game akechi has no friend sadly
i think
He only said that because the others were on the verge of convincing him to turn over a new leaf right there and then. He screamed that to get them to shut up, and steady his resolve to commit to his plan.
AND HARU RESPONDS (he has killed her father)
You know, I feel like he can be sweet when he wants to be.
Except to Joker.
It's understandable why Yusuke looks more open minded to Akechi, broadly speaking they are in the same boat where their mother died when they were little, then they are used as tools by someone who is also a father/father figure to them and the person who uses them is the cause of their mother's killed/suicide in Akechi case.
Akechi's situation can be compared to Joker's too--finding out that you were being relentlessly used by your boss for his own ends, and then trying to fight him
Also he's just weird
Yusuke only seemed irritated when he mentioned that he was hungry lol
Akechi has a lot of connections to all of the thieves which is why when they start to introduce the idea that Akechi could have really been one of them or that without the support they had got they could have been like Akechi it's really impactful.
6:12 hard cut to the sounds of the gang trying to stop Akechi from beating the shit out of Ryuji.
ryuji had the best reply to his pancakes line because it is literally what we all are thinking
Akechi's pancakes complaint was hos best line, because not ONE followup is anything less than peak.
Even Oracle's response is BEAUTIFUL, taunting him over how INNOCUOUS the slipup was!
(that one game grumps zelda cdi clip)
*PSH* *PSH*
"HELP!-"
@@alunbuss7877I never said the line was bad. I was just joking that I doubt Akechi would just take that sitting down. If there's one thing that Akechi is, it's petty.
@@MythicMachinaOh yeah, I was just commenting that ANY of the responses would cause the team to have to restrain him.
If I were in that van and he said that, my response would be: "Welp, I'm not sharing my Dome Town season pass with YOU then."
akechi: h
ryuji: im abt to end this mans whole third semester as a playable character
Akechi thanks Joker for keeping his promise regarding Shido and like, this is one of the rare times we see Akechi be soft and everybody is just "we didn't do it for you"
y'all >:(
Yeah idk why the pt's are so mean to Akechi.
Oh wait.
BCat they’re just telling him they didn’t do it for him bc they didn’t???? don’t forget he murdered two of their parents lmao tf
@@dimentioo Haru is the nicest one to him out of everyone. She was always polite to him despite his hand in killing her father.
Also this is one of the few times he's genuine with the group and they just brush him off like that. It doesn't sit well with me lmao
Yeah it diffidently caught me off guard with how Ryuji replied. Akira and Akechi are basically the same involving Shido. They both got effed by him. They made it sound like they lied about taking Akechi’s promise when he could’ve died. Which is kinda messed up
xXroadrunner 2fasttXx Yeah. I wouldn’t say “the same” since Shido is the reason Akechi’s mom committed suicide, the reason Akechi’s view of the world twisted, and the reason Akechi became a pawn in the game, but by being grateful for the Shido event, Akechi was literally thanking them for freeing him of control and evil in his life. And Ryuji was just like “YeAh WhO cArEs It WaS fOr JoKeR”
???
It really be like:
Akechi: *thanks them for keeping his dying wish*
Everyone: "no"
Robbie Daymond is actually a genius
That man loves playing crazy people akechi from p5 zhao from yakuza like a dragon and hubert from three houses he is both figuratively and literally a insane man
“Haru and Futaba don’t interact with akechi”
-most people.
The first minute of this video: am I a joke to you?
It’s so weird how they’re actually nice to Akechi here but don’t talk to him in the theives den. I mean, the den is just Joker’s cognition but in mementos they’re friendly?
@@aegis5678 I wouldn't say friends. More of colleagues.
@@aegis5678 I think it's just joker's cognition because he knows that futaba and haru don't forgive him
i think futaba has a line in a safe room where she says something along the lines of 'ill work with him but i really don't want to talk to him'
SO AKECHI CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH FUTABA AND HARU BUT CAN’T PLAY CARDS WITH THEM? OKAY
I wouldn’t want to play cards with my parents killer either 😂
Wait akechi cant play cards with hari and futaba?
YoshiMaster
That’s what I’ve heard, and I spent 10 minutes spamming the “Change Opponents” button and never once did he show up at the table while either of them were at it, and vice versa
Haru, Sumire, and Akechi plays with me all the time????
Really?
I can usually get that combo
Akechi is my favorite character.
Same here!
Same here
Says every person who played p5
definately
I wasn't a big fan in vanilla but they made him so good in royal
Akechi: hey guys I’m kinda hungry I guess I should’ve eaten earlier
Yusuke: dammit Akechi you just had to say something
The way its phrase would be out of character for them to say yet I can fucking hear them clearly saying those words
Oh, am I mistaken? I thought I heard something about delicious pancakes.
Futaba better rip off that video from the cctv and play it every single time Akechi tries to say something in the meeting
Akechi:
Stop! >:(
Akechi TO ME LOKI
Ann talking about how you need to eat well to be a model when all she does is eat cake.
It just goes straight to the breasts
@@rupturedtides4831 just because its true doesn't mean you should say it
CoMo Jones
JUST BECAUSE YOUR CORRECT DOESN’T MEAN YOUR RIGHT!
I mean, she gets away with it because she got lucky with her metabolism. Plus, as her social link goes on, she starts getting serious and that includes doing more than just eating cake.
Bruuuuuuuh
Akechi acts like an Ex-spouse to everyone
he's the world's most divorced teenager
I hate that statement but you are completely right.
2:19 Akechi riding a bike?? SOMEONE DRAW THAT I CANT ENVISION THAT
b i k e c h i
:( my cat died while watching this
Rienn I’m very sorry for the loss of your pet :(
ruclips.net/video/PCCtyTvoxwo/видео.html There you go @Rienn
theres already a drawing of akechi going through mementos with a bike
These normal conversations they have while riding with Mona bring me great pain. It reminds me that should they have met just a little earlier, Akechi could have been an actual friend.
EXACTLY BRO
akechi had been an assassin for like 2 years at least
@irgendwer3610 3 years, but he said himself that if they would've met a few years earlier, they would've been genuine friends
RIGHT!!!! It always makes me so sad because all Akechi ever wanted was a friend and he finally got that in joker but it was too late at that point and he's even upset himself at having to kill joker, you can tell from the way he speaks about unexpected obsticals in his socal link when joker beats him in pool
That's what makes him so interesting. The fact that his fate was sealed before we even met him.
Ryuji saying his mother will be worried when he returns late right after Akechi’s warning is just brutal, yo bud I know you hate Akechi but that was savage.... Akechi would be muttering something along the line of ‘brat’ and ‘you have someone that will be worried about you’ under his breath XD
I don’t think Ryuji meant it in that way😂
Ryuji was DEFINITELY out of pocket though when Akechi thanked everyone for taking down Shido, the guy who basically ruined Akechi’s life in every way possible, and Ryuji just goes, “WE DID IT FOR JOKER NOT FOR YOU”.
Now, I wouldn’t be so upset about that comment if Ryuji didn’t end it by calling him “bro”, and THAT set me off lol
@@aggressivepianonoises813 I THOUGHT THAT TOO! I was going to comment about it if no one else did. He's trying to be grateful, and Ryuji just shits on him for little to no reason. And his tone with that line is super unpleasant. Glad I'm not the only one who thought so
@@fizzlepop7309 Also, only for Joker? Not also for Futaba and Haru whose parents were killed under Shidos orders?
@@zobozo5059 Lol, that's true too. Ryuji out here being a dick to everyone involved.
@@fizzlepop7309 He really is. I would be hurt if I was haru or futaba since they're all supposed to be friends here
People who are nice to akechi:
Yuskue
Ann
Haru ( surprisingly)
Makoto
Ren
Sumire
Oh and sometimes Morgana
Well Sumire doesn’t even know he’s a murderer, Haru doesn’t think of him as a murderer but thinks of him as shidos tool, and the rest weren’t really affected by him.
Outside Sumire I think it's that they acknowledge hes a murderer but are willing to look past it (to a degree) because they recognize Shido used him and was partially responsible for who Akechi became
it breaks my heart when ann says he's a victim they couldn't save
Me:counts the characters so that leaves two. Ryuji and that Okumura's daughter. Who is she again? I can't seem to remember.
Thunder Knight Haru?
Kudos to Oracle and Noir to being open to fighting alongside the murderer of the parents. Not a lot of people are willing to work with the tool that sealed the fate of their loved ones. Plus they look like their getting along like real friends. Bonus!
To be fair okumra had it coming
Same I wouldn't care it's in the past over and done.
There's no way akechi could've killed wakaba tho. She died when futaba was 5 and futaba is 15 when the game takes place. Akechi would've been a child at the time.
@@PhthaloGreenskin Persona 3 proves that even a child can gain the power of persona, and even if it wasn't him she died because of a mental shutdown, a.k.a her shadow being murdered. If not akechi then who?
But we know Akechi only got his persona two years ago, when he was 15. Maybe recheck that, as I was under the impression that Wakaba was the first target he was given.
5:39 ngl best Yusuke line. I can hear and imagine him gritting his teeth with eyes closed as of to block Akechi’s words and then just giving up
Why I wish to give all of my money to Yusuke. I'd rather be the one broke in the group.
1:32 "Which one's the real you?"
Akechi's a Gemini. Both sides are technically the real him.
Yeah, he's supposed to have two distinct parts of him. Despite him supposedly dropping his facade, when he gets genuine with Joker about his past, he mentions he dreamt of being a hero as a child. That's why I've come to believe Robin Hood isn't a fake persona as some would think. His deduction skills aren't entirely fabricated, and he could've been a genuine detective had things gone differently.
They all treat akechi so well even though all the things he’s done which just shows how understanding the phantom thieves are. Especially, Haru & Futaba. They don’t forgive but they acknowledge his pain. I loved these little interactions in the game.
2:48 Akechi still cares about how others feel about him
Between white or black outfit
Interesting
1:34 I was half expecting Haru to reply with “How about I just break them off?”
I was kinda expecting her too. Like that one conversation where she said her favorite part is hearing the shadows beg of their lives.
Honestly, the Phantom Thieves were doing Akechi a solid as much as they were for Joker and everyone else in Japan by taking out Shido. Despite his role as main perpetrator, Akechi also numbered among Shido's victims, albeit to a lesser degree than those who were killed or worse. So yeah, Akechi absolutely has the right to thank them, because contrary to what some of these kids are saying, especially Ryuji, they did do him a favor. Heck, why did Ryuji say that anyways? He was the one who yelled at Shadow Shido about using his own son. Given how messily Akechi's story came together in the original, it sounds like the writers were not all on the same page.
Spoken like a deluded Akechi fangirl
@@yungbreezy36 Okay, I'm confused. Did you miss the part where I acknowledged his antagonistic role? What "fangirl" would do that?
@@yungbreezy36
lol you didnt finish your required reading
@@r.holtmangum5170 You're not wrong in the slightest, but for Ryuji to say that taking down Shido wasn't also for Akechi (to give some credit, probably a lesser extent than it was for Joker) is simply untrue, especially considering it was Ryuji himself who brought up Akechi to Shadow Shido when the time came to steal his treasure.
It's perfectly fine for Ryuji to show some animosity towards the homicidal maniac who nearly murdered his best friend. I'd be the same way, but I wouldn't go as far as to just deny facts like that- especially ones I already acknowledged. From a writing perspective, it's just inconsistent, isn't it? Once again, I blame the writers.
Actually, I misremembered that... It was Yusuke who pointed this out during Shido's takedown, not Ryuji. Mea culpa.
The point about Akechi's promise still being a part of it remains though.
Kinda wish there were convos talking about how Akechi feels about killing Haru and Futaba's parents. But from what I can tell and from speculation, I'm just assuming that he doesn't regret doing it per se since he can't really change things now and he probably thinks he'd do it again if the circumstances were the same but he probably just wished that his life was better so he wouldn't have felt the need to do it in the first place. But idk that's just my head canon
Im sure he does regret it but like you said, you can't change what's already happened. Besides, I doubt he would want to bring that up to them
Pretty sure he regrets all the shit he's done for Shido. But you know how he is, just because he's regretting his deeds, doesn't mean he'd just go around apologizing for them.
@@yuewingman456 exactly this. i mean pq2 really shows he regrets his actions as well
Zobo Zo but...that game takes place before they beat saes palace right?
@@kingteddieP4 yeah, but why does it matter? Just because he's wearing the "Detective Prince" mask, that doesn't mean every single one of his emotions is faked. Besides, his mask slips at times in the game, where he does show genuine regret for the murders he's committed
4:38 Haru :,)
Akechi: "It's not a phase it's merely a killer instinct."
Haru: "It's okay, we all love each other here, isn't that right-"
*holds axe*
They surprisingly have similar sadistic tendancies.
Don't forget about her Grenade launcher
Akechi: I’m getting a bit hungry. I should’ve eaten beforehand
Joker (Or someone else): Maybe after we are done here, we can get some ‘delicious pancakes.’
Akechi would snap. Most likely throw out a Laevateinn
Those 2 words destroyed his whole plan.
People seem to be surprised by all of Haru's seemingly civil responses to Akechi, but the way I see it she's constantly serving him passive aggressive goodness. The bouldering comment? "I hear you don't have to be that strong to boulder?" come on.... Got to love Haru
makoto- which ones the real you?
akechi- ………. …. …….. … ….. (mind racing)
Kind of hilarious that he's classified as a mayadere; dangerous antagonist whom switches sides after falling in love with the protagonist. In this case harbour some feelings towards Ren through bonds and social links, more genuine love than the other social link characters.
Though he's a tsundere and yandere in battle through actions and words alone.
I was curious if there was a word for his characters disposition toward Joker! Thank you for the knowledge 🙌
Joker and Akechis bond also feels so much more genuine to me than the rest of the confidants because akechis confidant is the only one where he's not crying on joker's shoulder, expecting him to help fix his problems or it didn't start because of a deal. Akechi asked to continued talking and Joker agreed
Zobo Zo exactly!! That’s one thing that made me kind of dislike sumire tbh. She kept on relying on joker for help, which isn’t wrong per say, but especially the during her romance they made it seem like she had to be dependant on him to achieve her own goals
@@dredshin I dislike sumire but her character arc was messy. The big thing about her character arc is that she is sumire not Kasumi yet in the end, she goes back to putting her hair up like Kasumi which I hated. Also like you said, there's nothing wrong with relying on others but she goes on like "I'm no longer going to rely on others to solve my problems" but then she relies on joker to help solve her problems. It's so annoying that the writing around her character is so messy because the concept of her character is good but it's executed terribly
*I don't dislike
I legitimately can’t believe Haru and Futaba are just casually holding conversations with this guy. They have every reason to hate him, but Haru especially is so nice. It baffles me.
He may be a serial killer, but he was weaponized by both yaldabaroth and shido, plus the fact that he wants to restore how things are even though he dies elevates him.
@@baciu14 That’s a reason to work with him, yeah. But to be almost friendly? Not so much.
@@jonathanh.2483 he’s done bad things but still has likable traits. It’s a gray area.
@@baciu14 I agree with your points completely but this drives me nuts: Akechi isn’t a serial killer, he’s an assassin. Serial killers choose their own targets and have very different psych profiles than assassins.
@@jonathanh.2483 iirc they blame Shido much more than Akechi, not that they forgive him (which Haru outright states she doesn't) but to his chagrin he's basically just a pawn and there's some level of pity from most of the PTs because of that.
But I do agree, I think they should have made Haru and Futaba's interactions with him way colder.
Even Akechi is sick of the meme
Ryuji: *For real?!*
it's so sweet hearing how akechi genuinely enjoys kichijoji. i like that he prefers his loki outfit and how it's easier to move in than the stiff robin hood outfit.
"Well were all fans, since thats what helped us figure your bullshit."
-Ryuji Sakamoto/ best boy
Akechi is speaking normally, so why does it feel like he's about to stab someone?
Ummm because that’s who akechi is most of the time lol love the crazy psychopath pancake boy though
Akechi: "I have no intention of changing my stance on matters"
Everyone: k
“This is no time to be dawdling”
Joker: Mona go SPEEN!
Robbie just does such a good job at Akechi
Akechi: *killed many people, including Futaba's mom and Haru's dad*
Haru: Let's have some tea together!
Haru is just being polite to Akechi. She doesn’t like him at all, but is willing to cooperate.
@@maskedsaiyan1738 They should just ignore him or show some type of fire. Its kinda insane how if you started right at the third semester you could miss that akechi is a literal serial killer who killed some of your parents and tried on 3 occasions to have you all killed.
Haru is just kinda like that, you know. She would be polite to Yaldabaoth if he just decided to show up one day as a human. Besides, I think she understands that Shido is responsible for him turning out this way.
Btw it's not that she forgives him for everything, she still refuses to play Tycoon with him in thieves den
@@holczy0
>Haru is just kinda like that, you know.
See the problem with that is that the entire reason Haru is even apart of the group is because of her father. All of this nonsense, she didn't ask for any of this. This isn't her fight. This is not something she personally wanted. At least Ryuji, Ann, and Yusuke decided to stick with you guys. But I didn't really get any of that from her. All she wanted to do is maker her Dad nice to her again and call off the wedding to her dick of a fiance. A cat man told her that they have a way to do that, and having no other option she did. ALl of this nonsense about "Cognitions" and "Shadows" are new to her, and she can't verify it for herself. She is strictly at your mercy, so she is FORCED to trust you. But then all of it led to her dad dying horribly on live tv, through something as far as she knows she directly helped with.
As soon as she learns about Akechi I just can't see how she can be so calm around her. There's even no real tension between the two besides a throwaway line that most people probably don't even know about. It's why even though of course no one forgave Akechi, it's hard to not see it as that in all but name.
> Besides, I think she understands that Shido is responsible for him turning out this way.
Not only did Akechi approach him, Akechi has done many stuff on his own accord. Remember, the plan to kill Joker and get you all disbaneded was his own plan. Furthermore, Akechi then decided to chase you down in Shido's palace, at a point when Shidou thought you were disbanded. He tried to kill you all on his own accord. That's why I just can't accept that Akechi isn't entirely responsible for his actions.
>Btw it's not that she forgives him for everything, she still refuses to play Tycoon with him in thieves den
That's...uhh, pretty weak. Besides, isn't that technically not even canon, since those are the cognitive versions of the characters. The Thieve's Den is Joker's palace.
@@Idasukimase Dude you are all up in these comments typing novels about what’s ~objectively more realistic~ when that’s… not how writing works, or grief, or forgiveness, or pragmatism, or cooperation. You just can’t see how Haru can be so calm around him? Well, so what? the character isn’t you. Not everyone behaves as you do. There are some people whose responses to things are different from yours, and you will never fully understand them. That doesn’t make their reactions invalid. (And for what it’s worth, there’s more than just a “throwaway line” to create tension. Futaba and Haru comment on it more than once in group chat and in safe rooms and make clear they’re just doing this because they have to.)
You’re just flat out wrong about Akechi planning to kill Joker, though. The logistics of the plan were his idea (ie, fake a suicide), but there’s no indication he actually came up with the idea of killing joker himself. In fact, the SIU director outright says that the plan to lift up the Thieves then plummet them in public opinion and sic law enforcement on them is Shido’s idea, not Akechi’s. I think he says it was “too twisted to be Akechi’s idea” or some shit. Considering Shido later orders Akechi to take out the rest of the Thieves and Akechi tells him that’s a bad idea, it’s not a stretch to imagine Shido gave the order to kill Joker.
Don’t get me wrong. Akechi is responsible for his actions. But “Akechi is responsible for stuff he did under Shido” and “Shido is responsible for him turning out this way” are not mutually exclusive statements. Haru-and you-can simultaneously look at Akechi and see both a person who decided to kill people (including her father) to achieve his goals, and a fucked up teenager who was explicitly groomed and used by a megalomaniacal sociopath. It just seems a bit silly to me to not focus on Shido as the worst person in the room, when the entire theme of the game is “shitty adults using teenagers.” Akechi is one of those teenagers. That’s the point.
*thank you for keeping your promise*-
T.T
Thieves' Den Akechi: "Don't expect any thanks"
Noir: “You should stay mindful of your own health, too”
What she meant: “You should watch out for your mental health”
Haru was « take care of your ass before I put my axe »
Oh, more than that. That's just the nice way to put it.
Akechi in conversations: Civil and elegant
Akechi in battle: Savage and insane
Akechi: *talks about how he fights*
Joker: JOKES ON YOU I'M INTO THAT SHIT!
Personally, Joker and Haru (along with Akechi) have the best battle dialogue.
(I know I'm late shut it)
"This is no place for us to be dawdling." Joker: *YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND BABY RIGHT ROUND-*
"Let's take our leave before it gets too late-this is no place to be dawdling."
joker: ok. but watch this!
*does a sick donut*
Ryuji really hates Akechi like *REALLY*
_He stole his boyfriend tho_
Jealousy *cough* *cough*
@@JungkooksTingTingBall lmao akechi didn't steal his boyfriend. Joker was never with ryuji lol
Zobo Zo geee it’s a joke. We all know that there is no canon gayness in persona 5. Don’t need to remind us
@@JungkooksTingTingBall I was joking along too lmao my bad if I didn't sound like it
Aw, it's so nice to see him just striking up conversation.
AND HE THANKED THEM FOR DOING SHIDO'S PALACE AJSNSKSNSBSN
I feel like Akria is just sitting there minding his own business. I feel like Akria understands what Akechi has done and he believes Akechi deserves a chance to redeem himself. He doesn't mind that his friends doesn't like him because he understands what Akechi did was awful yet he still cares about Akechi. Even after Akechi is gone, Akria still cares about the man but he has to keep on moving forward because he knows that's for the best and Akechi would make fun of him for grieving over his death. Honestly the relationship between him and Akechi is really interesting also kinda queer coded. But that's just my opinion.
his name is Ren
*Ren. The only appearance of the name “Akira” was in the manga which isn’t canon and was drawn by Hisato Murasaki and had no correlation with the p5 producers. In the other hand, in every part of media that is directly influenced by Altus, they have him call joker by “Ren Amamiya” such as the anime and Persona 5 Dancing Starlight. “Akira Kurusu” isn’t wrong but it isn’t right either, but his definite name would be “Ren Amamiya”
😹
persona 5 fans when the main character with a name you can alter to your wishes is misnamed??? by someone else
He isn’t even dead
The relationship that Akechi has with the Phantom Thieves has to be one of the weirdest ones. For example in the dialogue where he thanks them for taking down Shido most of the Phantom Thieves reply in a very dismissive manner and Ryuji straight up says they didn't do it for him, yet when you still Shido's heart they directly bring up Akechi and what he did to Akechi. Adding on, though they would have changed Shido's heart anyways, they did agree to take down Shido in Akechi's stead, and also they all agreed that Akechi was a victim that couldn't be saved after stealing Shido's heart, so for them to act so dismissive to his genuine thanks is simply odd. Also a lot of people say that Ryuji hates Akechi and while Ryuji does have a lot of voicelines were it seems he isn't putting up with Akechi's shit, when Akechi dies again in Royal after Maruki's palace it's Ryuji who brings up Akechi's death saying he can't believe Akechi was fighting so hard the entire time knowing he would die again. It feels very inconsistent to be honest. In some scenes it feels like the Phantom thieves genuinely dislike Akechi, while in others it seems as if they are very nice to him and while not forgiving him can work towards a "friendship" of sorts with him.
i mean, its kinda akward for all sides involved.
From almost the very start the Phantom thieves knew that Akechi was lying to them about when he started being able to enter the Metaverse, so from the very start they knew he was gonna double cross him.
Add to that that it turned out that he killed booth harus father and Futabas mother.
like yes most of them are dismissive about him thanking him, but thats a pretty human reaction saiyng "we didnt do it for you" is pretty logical there.
Yes they did to some degree fight for akechi to, and he WAS a victim as well, that dosnt change all the fucke dup shit he done,(including attempted murder on joker)
Add to that that they said it after believing that Akechi died in Shidos palace, he returns every as edgy as before. (which is like. the 3rd person or something that was assumed dead by that point to return alive) and their Resolve to "punish shido in his behalf" sounds hollow.
they are teenagers, its not a clear cut thing about their emotion.
Same with the end when akechi is gone again
Like for all they knew Akechi was fighting hard and would keep on living, sure in police custody, but still alive and kicking. basicaly avoiding most "responsibility" as he would be a major eye witness, so it would be kinda akward, but when they realize he fought DESPITE(no, BECAUSE) he would dissapear of course they would view hima bit friendlier again. He did fucked up shit, but in the end he did sacrifice himself to make things right.
even their interaction going between "friendly" and "genuine dislike" isnt really iconsistent as most of the time the characters do have specific aproaches towards him
With Ryuji being the most "cold" towards him,(but its ryuji, he also was an ass to morgana) and whats his name(painterboy) being the most "genuinly Friendly" imo(given he himself did say that he could have very well ended up like akechi) HECK i can imagine that most if not all of the phantom thiefs do see a bit of themself in akechi and the fact that they could end up like him is what makes them reject some of his friendlier stuff.
YES
"Pancakes... i don't want to hear that word again for a long, long time!"
Ann: Hey! Leave the pancakes outta this.
I hate the response to: "Thanks for regarding Shido" except for Yusuke's response
3:32 Ann:Leave the pancake outta this
Akechi:so you chosen death
Akechi: Pancakes... I don't want to hear that word again for a long, long time.
Sonic: Then I don't want to hear the words "chili dogs" either.
Joker:So when a chili dog and pancake walks into a store
Both foods are of interest.
Akechi: Pancakes... I don't want to hear that word again for a long, long time.
Joker: Guess that cancels my plans for a team breakfast, then...
Yusuke: Dammit! You took away my 4th meal for the week!
6:04
Ryuji ma boi.
👍👍👍
Ryuji’s been an idiot throughout most of the game, but I gotta give him that one! 😂
He will always be goated for that
3rd semester akechi is a blessing thank u atlus
the phantom thieves are all so patient with akechi lmaooo. i love him but if i had to actually interact with someone that edgelord i'd go nuts
Tbh even as an Akechi simp I’d get secondhand embarrassment from the edge lol
I am an edgelord too. We would be just fine with interaction.
SOMEONE FEED YUSUKE!
I have over 10 million Yen and I ever so badly wanna give half of it to Yusuke. My boy lost his remote too.
why can't i bring 10 big bang burgers to every phantom thieves meetup?
6:31 You should do that anyways!
Our favorite starving artist
A lot of people are saying how casual Futaba and Haru are around Aketchi, but outside of mementos and the palace I don't think Aketchi hangs out with them, or anyone besides Joker really.
Also, Haru and Futaba won't play cards with him in the TD, which I find pretty funny.
Haru already had a bad relationship with her dad, so while upset by his death, she was probably able to get over it quicker than someone with the average father. Also she does have a bit of psycho energy, probably also from her fathers abuse, that is "helping" her cope with it.
Futaba had it way worse cause of him, and I think she has the least interactions with him even in mementos. She is only tolerating him cause she has to.
Being casual with someone you don't like/hate doesn't mean you forgive them. They are just working together to save the world and can put their feelings aside for that goal.
And again, he was just a tool for Shido and taken advantage of, which all of the others can relate to. Even if they don't like him or forgive him, they can relate and understand why he did the things he did.
It'd be interesting if akechi was ever so slightly scared of Haru, always a little nervous about her responses
"Pancakes... I don't want to hear that word again for a long, long time."
I bet he feels SO embarrassed that that's what led to him being discovered. 😅
Oh, I wound too. Just imagine you have the whole world in your hands and it's destroyed by the word "pancakes".
Ann: LEAVE THE PANCAKES OUT OF THIS ;_;
Akechi don't like the P word 🙃
"Peanuts"?
P*nis?
Pythagorean-Theorem?
Pussy
Poke,Pee Pee
I suppose I should list down my thoughts on my associates, just so everyone knows.
-Joker...well, you’ve played the game, haven’t you? You already know how I view him.
-Mona is...complicated. He generally stays neutral, but when I bring up anything off-putting, he shuts me down fast. I find him alright.
-Skull is a brash idiotic fool.
-Panther is by far the most open of the Thieves. She doesn’t hold any qualms with me, as far as I can tell. Maybe in another life, we could have been great friends.
-Fox is odd, as usual. I generally try to sit far from him to avoid potential vomit.
-Queen is the most efficient, as usual. She still reminds me of Sae-San.
-Oracle and Noir are surprisingly open. Even I couldn’t have predicted their acceptance of my presence.
-Violet is the closest I have to an acquaintance, aside from Joker.
Akechi?!?! Just want to say, big fan
Crow
Thank you, I suppose. I must be honest, I didn’t expect the following I would get from the game.
@@goroakechi6126 had to agree with those words
@@goroakechi6126 still I fell that you were amazing in that plan of yours if you were actually doing this to the games standers of enemies I think you would have succeeded
Mewbymon __________
That’s quite nice of you.
Haru is actually so nice to him all the time
Nice Hellsing Abridged reference ;)
to be fair, harus dad did try to sell her, i imagine she's not that sad
Akechi: You think I'm frightening when I fight? Well, I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept it.
Joker: Joke's on you, I'm into that shit.
Akechi: If you're looking for a way to train both your mind and your body, I highly recommend bouldering.
Joker: Can you hold off on discussing your beauty regimen until AFTER I'm done driving?
Akechi: Do you prefer my previous outfit, or this one? Moving around's become much easier for me.
Joker: How does it... come off?
I really dont like the responses to the “Regarding shido, thank you for keeping your promise” line. Everyone just brushes it off as just “Lol we had our own reasons to do it it wasnt about you lol” because, although it is true that they did have their own reasons, they kinda just shit on him like shido wasnt his problem too. Shido screwed up akechi just as much, if not more, than he did akira. For the rest of the PT to just brush it off... it doesnt sit well with me.
Well, he did go out of his way to personally kill them all.
Also, all Shido did was just abandon him at birth (I'm not saying that's not wrong), everything after that is kind of on him. Sure, Shido may have ordered it, but in the end Akechi still did it. Akechi can say he was "manipulated" and all, but after the 10th person ended up dead from his actions, you can't tell me he didn't have a taste for it.
Yeah Shido literally had the most effect on Goro, seriously people keep acting like if Goro all of a sudden decided to not go along with Shido’s orders he wouldn’t have been killed 😭, plus it’s specifically stated in Shido’s palace that goro was being manipulated by him too
@@IdasukimaseTF do you mean "all he did was abandon him at birth?" He was without a father figure for his entire life. He also had a part in his mother's death as well.
I am amazed at how Haru and Futaba treat Akechi. Haru is perfectly civil and Futaba just ribs him a bit. The rest of the PTs also have reason to resent him, but joke around and/or converse with him like it's nothing. Ryuji is probably the most rude, and even he's capable of holding a conversation with him. They're very gracious.
Akechi: if there werent train tracks id bring my bike here
Makoto: i am 3 parallel universes ahead of you
Ha ha ha even the devs knew how funny it was that pancakes was what caught aketchi out... love the subtle reference to how that moment got memed to death X’D
Man, I really feel like Akechi thanking the Phantom Thieves for changing Shido's heart shouldn't be optional easy-to-miss mementos dialogue. As much as I enjoyed the 3rd semester, they don't dedicate enough time establishing some much needed closure between Akechi and the other thieves in particular.
Edit: Don't even get me started on Haru and Futaba suddenly being ok with having casual conversation with him. And I'm not even against that idea at all. If Haru and Futaba are that open minded about Akechi's past, there's just a few heart-to-heart talks missing for those interactions to actually become believable.
6:45 Ryuji seems annoyed but he also had the strongest reactions to both of Akechi's "deaths"
I appreciate his big heart for even his enemies
6:31 yusuke is a mood
Akechi: "We're working under a time limit.."
Me, after spending 4 hours in Mementos: "I totally agree, we definitely shouldn't waste any time, totally understand."
I genuinely feel like the devs know about the akechi memes like no way they missed them so akechi mentioning pancakes feels like a little nondge telling us
Reminds me of when Kasumi/Sumire has her awaking and she ripped off her mask while dabbing. I highly doubt that was only for character design.
Akechi: You think I'm frightening when I fight?
Me: I fell inlove with you more, Akechi. 👀
I REALLY want him to get along with everyone he deserves to be happy and have friends.
2:10 this conversation between akechi and haru is so mutually passive-aggressive lmao
"Thanks for the concern. You should stay mindful of your health, too!" 😊
*Axe sharpening intensifies* 🪓
Ok, that one, where he comments about living in this reality is boring. No, that's a lie to strike a light conversation. No spoilers but to other pts maybe, but this is a much different matter to him, and it breaks my heart hearing him say that.
2:08
Knowing Noire, that must have been a threat.
Akechi mentioning his bike makes me think of a Persona racing game
Dont dont dont just dont we dpnt need a persona racing game it either be really bad or meh but not good since spin off racing games almost always suck
persona 5 racing all night
When Akechi said that he should treat himself to some sushi and Ann said " treat yourself? You sound like one of my girlfriend's" 😂 let Akechi live lmao
"the enemies are stronger than ever"
Ryuji's Instakill: "lol"
Akechi: h u h?
The only person I have a hard time accepting would be ok with talking with akechi is Futaba.
While haru lost her father to him fairly recently, she had a very intimate look at how he viewed not only the world, his business, and his employees, but also her, and just how much of a pawn he viewed her as.
And that was just viciously cementing the suspicions she had of him the last couple years.
Futaba though? Endured a targeted harassment meant to shift blame and focus from wakaba and her missing research, as well as losing the mom she loved and looked up to.
Even knowing in a basic way how akechi was and what he suffered (and who he suffered from) I can't help but think she'd be at least as frosty or biting as ryuji towards him
Akechi recommending bouldering and then Haru saying "oh I've heard you don't have to be that strong" is some powerful shade.